Doppelgänger (1993)

It's No Rules November, where we each pick a film to cover, and it doesn't matter how many views it has. Brace yourself for the insanity that is Avi Nesher's Doppelgänger starring Drew Barrymore. A horror-tinged neo-noir that riffs on everything from Brian De Palma to Breakfast at Tiffany's. We always warn folks that we will be spoiling the films we cover, we we STRONGLY urge you to watch this one before listening. Trust us. And go in blind if you can. As of this recording, it is available to watch on Tubi, Prime, and Freevee.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Prepare yourself for the terror the prison of madness. We
have few inter and Nonritter.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome to Unsung Horrus with LUNs.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
And Dereka.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Leave all your sanity behind. It can't help you now.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Welcome to another episode of Unsung Horrors, the podcast where
we discuss underseening horror films, specifically those which have fewer
than one thousand views on letterboxed. I'm Erica, I'm Lance,
and it's no rules November.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
It is do you want me to do it?

Speaker 3 (00:51):
You've got to do the thing, no rules November. Thank you.
So that means we throw out our rule of the
films that we cover having to have fewer than one
thousand views, so we can pick anything that we want.
And I know we say it every year, but it's
generally very tough to figure out which one to pick.

(01:14):
Not for me this year, though, because I was struggling
with it and then I saw one movie and the
light shone upon it and I said, yes, this is
my no rules November.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Pick it fell in your lap. This is a difficult
time of year to pick because ye we still like
to try and keep it with the you know, the
Unsung WHRSE theme not like, I guess I picked mad Man.
That's probably the most kind of well known.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, but it's not like in the mainstream, Like if
I mentioned Freddy Krueger Jason Vorhees, my mom would know
who that is. But if I mentioned mad mad Mars,
she'd be like, oh, does he live does he live
around here? Mad Man? So I think that's still definitely
within there. So we're I'm still trying to cover things

(02:02):
that are less on the radar or just not covered
as much on most Worr movie podcasts. So my pick
for No Rules November this year, I'm very excited to
talk about Doppelganger from nineteen ninety three.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Holly has found someone new. Sorry I scared you, Someone
very secret, very romantic, someone who hides from us all
another self, a deeper, darker side that is capable of

(02:42):
the unimaginable fear.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Anger Matred, the darkest, most primary.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Part of her no longer hides inside.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Just don't touch me, don't confuse me with her.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
She may look like me, she's not.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
It has awakened and taken control.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
It's probably forced out by some kind of trauma.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
What does it want somebody to talk to you about?

Speaker 4 (03:07):
And now the only thing she has to fear is herself.

(03:35):
Joplin Gagger.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Views doesn't matter. You can watch this on as of
this recording. It's on Prime, It's on t B, it's
on free V, It's on Fubo. Lance's Favorite.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Actually I canceled it because the Astro season is over.
Baseball season's done.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Okay to be no sorry, back to my favorite. Okay,
So doppelganger quick summary. After being implicated in the murder
of her mother, Holly Gooding leaves New York City and
returns to Los Angeles, where she grew up. There, she
rents a room in an apartment from writer Patrick high Smith.

(04:18):
A complicated relationship forms between them, one that includes a
jealous writing partner, a horny psychiatrist, an FBI agent with
a poorly dubbed Southern accent, a family lawyer who looks
like Walton Goggins playing Uncle Baby Billy, a brother in
a mental facility, and Holly's doppelganger who has followed her

(04:40):
to LA and is leaving a trail of dead bodies
around the city. If that isn't enough, nothing can possibly
prepare you for the end, where a Brian de Palma
breakfast at Tiffany's neo noir riff turns into a horror show.
That's great, Thank you very well. I actually wrote that myself.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
It's convoluted, which you know is what this movie is,
but it actually summarizes every character and every kind of subplot.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Love it, Thank you all right. So Doppelganger was written
and directed by Auvi Nesher. His filmography is I can
see him being a like june'sploitation category in the future
because if you look at a lot of his films,
you know, including this one. He directed time Bomb from
nineteen ninety one starring Michael Bean, which was one of

(05:29):
my films from June's Ploitation this year, She from nineteen
eighty four, Savage from nineteen ninety six, and a movie
I just finished watching This Morning, Mercenary from nineteen ninety six.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I wanted to watch that because I had Martin Cove
in it. Who's my new go to guys, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
As Martin Cove, It has John Ritter, it has Robert Coult,
Robert Cole no cock though, sorry guys. So there's a
very interesting element with this one. Now, first of all,
I do want to say that this one was, you know,
a lot of fun. It's got sword, fire, tang lighting,
a fight club, and a ring of fire. It's a
little bit longer than it should be for what it is,

(06:06):
Like it's an hour forty it should be eighty minutes.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Okay, Yeah, I feel like a lot of Nesher films
are like that. They all kind of run about an
hour forty five, which is a lot. That's a long
run time for exploitation type thing.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
It is it is. But what's interesting about Nesher is
he seems to have a weird obsession with Patricia high Smith,
the author. So for those who don't know Patricia high Smith,
she's most famous for The Talented Mister Ripley or all

(06:38):
the Tom Ripley novels. She also wrote Strangers on a Train,
which was adapted by Alfred Hitchcock, and she has made
some pretty colorful comments. So she's pretty well known for
being racist, misogynistic, and anti Semitic. Interesting, so, now, many
people close to her said that she was doing that

(06:59):
for shock value. But I don't know, Like you can't really,
I don't know for sure.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
So does he have high Smith? Like, obviously there's the
writer in here called Patrick hi Smith. Yeah, does he
use her name and other.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah films, so and I thought like, oh, this this
one movie doppelganger. He's just like making a little like
you know, there's just he's just dropping this reference in
with this character name in it. But then when I
watched Mercenary, he actually credits himself, like he puts his
name in credits as Patrick Highsmith, so it says like

(07:35):
a Patrick high Smith production, and it says story by
Patrick high Smith, screenplay by Patrick high Smith, not on
letterboxed but in the actual film credits when you're watching it.
Because I started it last night, I was like, what
is Patrick Heismith? What, Like, what's happening here? So I
don't know if it's because Auvinsher is Israeli and he

(07:57):
has some weird fixation and like he's actually a huge
fan of her writing despite her being anti Semitic, or
he's doing it as like a dig somehow at her.
It's very odd.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, it's strange.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, but I think there's this weird sort of you know,
this element of and we'll get into it because the
character Patrick Highsmith in the movie even says, yeah, I'm
trying to write a horror version of Breakfast at Tiffany's.

(08:33):
This movie itself is a psychological thriller, which is what
Patricia Highsmith is known, and so there's that connection. There's
this Breakfast at Tiffany's connection, like this meta element because
Doppelganger is actually a horror version of Breakfast at Tiffany's.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
So that's well, and there's other meta details too. We'll
get in with the cast members.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
So yeah, the director, you know, he's got a fun filmograph.
I definitely would recommend, you know, just kind of bookmarking
him for Jewne's Plitation twenty twenty five that you know,
the Mercenary film time Bomb was fun. She savage things
like Doppelganger. If you're coming to it late, have you
watched Ritual? No, I haven't seen that one.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
I kind of wanted to cue that one up just
because Tim Curry's in it. So okay, Yeah, it seems
like another movie that would fit into Jewne's Pplitation.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, honestly, I think this director should just be their
pick next year.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Many that's a good call.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
So other crew members. The score is by I don't
know if it's Jan or Yawn because the last name
is Cosmeric, so it could be yawn, which tracks because
I think the cinematographer is Eastern European as well. But
Kasmeric did the score for Felony from nineteen ninety four,
which I saw and I was looking at it and

(09:48):
I think I gave it like three three and a half.
And I literally don't remember this movie all. It's some
like I think it's like some Lance henrixon actioner and
I was just like, eh, yeah, it's what it is.
So the score for me is pretty generic, but there
are also times in it where I'm very aware of
it and it doesn't fit.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, for sure. I mean at first, like I love
the opening scene because it's very kind of like to
Palma erotic thriller happening on it's and the music gave
me like nineties thriller vibes, you know, especially when the
costumes popped up. Yeah, but yeah, there were moments. One
particular one that's just jumping out right now in my

(10:29):
mind is when I think she's like she's walking outside
looking at the window and she's trying to get into
the house I think.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
The mental institution and the Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Like kind of if I remember, I was thinking, like,
what the hell's this music. It was kind of circusy,
almost like humorous.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, very strange. Yes, agreed.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
There is original songs though there's some songs in there too.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Do you have the notes on those? Okay, well I do.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
I figured.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
So there's a couple of original songs were written for
this song, once called the Kianga, and that's played I
think a couple of times. I think it's played at
the dance party, the Hollywood party, and then over at
the end credits where it's basically just people talking saying
stuff like your touch alone can save me. You know

(11:19):
what is it? We form a lover's bond as we
join our bodies. You know. It's like a girl and
a guy kind of like going at it, you know,
with lyrics. And I had to look it up because
the song is sung. They sing another song too. I
think it's called like something feel free, but Max saying
Lewis and Will Wheaton junior, Yeah, and Will Wheaton thing

(11:42):
kind of threw me up. Will spell differently. But she
is like a kind of a renowned soul singers. She
first started playing and being a background singer with Tina
and Ike Turner in the seventies. She sang with Ray,
Charles Sling, Dion, Smokey Robertson, Ran Duran and even Britney Spears.

(12:03):
And she actually did some of the songs and singing
for you know, the fairly recent movie Maul Rainey's Black Bottom.
Have you seen that with Viola Davis, Chadwick Poser. It's good.
I recommend it. I saw it, I guess like in
twenty twenty when it came out. And then Will Wheaton Junior,
he's also kind of a big name. He sang with
Michael Jackson, Quincy Jones, Rip Whitney Houston, Stevie Wonder. So

(12:28):
these I was like, I looked it up and I
couldn't find anything like how they got involved in this movie,
how they got the gig. Maybe they had like you know,
it's a chance for them to probably do maybe their
first like original score together or I don't know, maybe,
but those songs, like yeah, especially the end credits. I
was just like I had it on subtitles, just reading

(12:48):
the lyrics getting completely turned on.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
I had the subtitles on for the song at the
party and I was like, is this.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, it's like two two anxious souls and twine It's bad.
And then like she'll whisper touch me. I'm like, what
the fuck's who is this? So yeah, recommend the original songs,
original score not so much.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
No, okay, So I think the big surprise here And
this was me in the theater when I first saw
it weird Wednesday. I'm sitting there, I'm watching the opening.
I'm like, this is odd, like this whole You're right,
it does feel very DiPalma and it's pacing and like
how it's being shot. But then K and B show

(13:36):
up in the credits. And it's funny because Laird's first
review of this from years ago says, note to self,
when you see K and B in the opening credits,
don't forget or do because then you'll experience a mental
spit take. And I did literally the first time I
watched it. I forgot that their names were in the credits.

(13:58):
Even when there's like the shower scene where you get
like a brief shot.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, and in some dream sequences and flashback scenes, the
face kind of goes, you know, it kind of overlays
Drew Barrymore's from time to time.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, But then you get to the end and you're like, oh,
that's why they were in the credits and we'll get
to the end.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
But yeah, that's a great review because if I yeah,
I feel like if I had watched this going into it,
because most of the reviews that I had watched and
heard about it was the effects, and I was prepared
for it. Okay, but if you're not, holy shit, ye know, I.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Wasn't because I was like, I'm just going to go
see some Drew Barrymore trashy movie a weird Wednesday, got
my popcorn up my diet coke, and I was like,
ok and b that's odd. And then just watching this
movie that seemed to be some like, you know, neo noir,
like trashy nineties, you know, straight to video type thing,
and then that happened, I was like.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Oh, yeah, then you get some of like put that
put it up with some of the best practical effects
of the nineteen nineties, Like this scene is yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
But so is Robert Kurtzman, Greg Nicotaro and Howard Berger.
I mean, the credits are too immense to even keep
up with, but just a few Jason goes to Hell.
I will I will defend that I put that one
first on purpose. Okay, body bags, drag me to Hell Trancers.

(15:22):
I put that one in there for you, Thank you.
The Night Flyer, Misery, the Mist, which is one of
my favorites from them, Tails from the Hood, Tails from
the Dark Side, Ticks, Night of the Creeps, Boogie Nights,
I mean Boogie Knights. I got to end with Boogie Knights.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
I got one of the most uncomfortable scenes of sledgehammer
to the foot in Misery. Yes, you know, they did work.
Nicotaro did work on Evil Dead too, Creep Show two.
I mean, it's just so good. When you see that,
you know you're going to get something good.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah. So there is one from them that I watched
that was a new watch to me. I'd never seen it.
And I finally watched Maniac Cop three. Oh okay, and
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
I you know, wasn't that an Alan Smithy?

Speaker 3 (16:05):
It is an Alan Smithy slash Larry Cohen and Bill
Lustig is I'm sorry, Yes, you're right, Cohen produced it,
but yeah, no, Lustig is co credited with an Alan Smithy.
So yeah, I have fun with it.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
I love that series like I do too. And I
think I've said this many a time, probably on the podcast,
but like Maniac Cop two is one of the best
sequels ever. I told that too William Lestig face to
face when they went Fantastic Fest one year as Zach
Carlson hosted. It was a Maniac Cop restoration and we
watched that in the theater and I met him afterwards

(16:40):
and I was like, Maniac Cop two is like the
best sequel ever, and Zax looking at me like, yes,
I love that movie, and like that was the year
of the sequel too, What is it nineteen ninety one?

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Maybe I think so, yeah, because Mania Cop three is
ninety two, So yeah, I think it's nineteen.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Ninety or ninety one, but yeah, so many sequels came
out that year, but that maybe Act Cop three. I
need to rewatch it because I didn't get sucked in
the first time.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
I say, I mean, obviously I'm not going to put
it up there with Maniac Cop two. But I had
fun with it, and I think a big part of
it for me was like, hey, I love Robert Dovey
b I am working on something that is like Santaia adjacent.
So I was like, Okay, this is relevant for two
things that I'm doing right now, So like that was

(17:28):
I did like that kind of part of it, but
it's it can be definitely pretty slow at times, but yeah,
I have fun with it. It's fine. Yeah, three stars.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Okay. So the film stars Drew Barrymore. She plays Holly Gooding.
This is obviously or maybe not obviously if you haven't
seen Breakfast at Tiffany's, but a play on Holly go Lightly.
The main character Audrey Hepburn from Breakfast at Tiffany's. She
got her start in films in with Et and Firestarter.

(17:59):
Her father is John Barrymore, who left when she was
I think six six years old or no six months old.
So she was raised by a single mother and she
has spoken publicly about partying with her mother from a
very young age. Her mother even brought her to Studio
fifty four at age nine, and then Barrymore again public
about her drug abuse and alcohol I mean not even

(18:21):
having to be public, like the paparazzi knew about it.
So she ended up in rehabit at age thirteen. She
became legally emancipated at fifteen and cut her mother out
of her life because her mother had placed her in
a psychiatric facility and because she didn't want to be
restricted by child labor laws for acting roles, and so
I think, what's interesting And actually Laird pointed this out,

(18:44):
No no, no, Jasmine introduced it at Weird Wednesday with Laird,
but she pointed out, like, it's very interesting that, like
the opening kill is Barrymore killing her mother, and this
is I think Barrymore's like eighteen when she made this film,
really because ninety three. She was born in seventy five.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Oh okay, so yeah, that's the meta thing I was
talking about because her mother in the movie is played
by her real mother, Yeah, Jay Barrymore so yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
So it's an interesting element with like her literally killing
her mother at age eighteen, and you know they had
an odd relationship. So yeah, I think, yeah, there's a
lot going on under the surface here, like if you're
familiar with Breakfast at Tiffany's and the director and his

(19:32):
obsession with Patricia Highsmith and Barrymore's background, the type of
films that she was making at this time. I watched
Poison IVY for the first time. I'd actually never seen it.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
I have seen that, yeah, long time ago.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Well apparently there's three sequels, so really, yeah, there's like
a DVD that's got all four of them on there,
but I rented the VHS from We Love Video because
it wasn't streaming anywhere.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, because that's when that was before Doppelganger, right, So
that's when she started turning and you know, into into
something more brisque.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, she's getting into a little she's kind of trashing
nineties phase here.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
She's you know, going having in her parts.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yep, blood of nudity. Good for her, yeah, you know,
as long as she's of age. Yes, getting it on
with Tom Scarett and Poison ivy, which is a little
bit weird.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
But this opening scene, I didn't fully look at the cast,
so when you see, you know, there's the scene of
her credits are still rolling and she's having like that
affair sexual encounter in.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
The in the room with the pigeons.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah, with the pigeons. Yeah. And I thought that I
thought it was James Woods at first, given her like
the mankind mandible colostick in his fingers, and I was like,
oh shit, James Woods and Drew Barrymore. But it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
I mean, it was the nineties. It could have happened.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Oh yeah, absolutely. I was like, this makes us more nineties,
like if that's actually James Woods.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, but I think you know, clearly with movie like
Doppelganger and Poison IVY, she's really trying to shed her
innocent child actor roles like et and have this sort
of new rebellious outlet that doesn't involve drugs. Now. Personally,
I don't think, like you know, her drug and alcohol
abuse at a young age is a low point in

(21:19):
her life. That's clearly her starring in Adam Sandler movies.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Oh geez, I'll say it.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
I mean, I'll say that. I think Drew Barrymore I
would have. I like with her mom being in the
movie and she's killed within the first couple of minutes.
Like the whole meta aspect is cool, the breakfast at
Tippany's thing, the way she dressed, like, she looks great
in her costume. But I think she's very met in this.
She doesn't really go hard. I don't think it's her.

(21:47):
It's definitely not her best role.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
No, I don't think so either. I think that she
can be charming in some of her like later roles,
I guess, But yeah, in this one, there's one scene
in particular where when she's trying to be bitchy with Patrick,
like it's it's the day after they had supposedly slept together,

(22:11):
which I do really need to talk about that, and
she's she's being like so like bitchy to him, and like,
what are you talking about? What I didn't? You know?
If you're gonna do that with her, just don't tell me,
and she's it's bad, Like, she is not great in this.
The movie around her is much better than what she's.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Giving, too well, and the performance is not so much.
Who will get to in a minute the Patrick character,
who has also kind of zero charisma. But the campy
characters and all the side characters, they sell it, yeah,
and they are. They make this a lot.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Of fun to watch, Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
But yeah, it's not like she's you don't like the
wedding Singer. She's great in the Wedding Singer.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Adam Sandler runs everything. He's oh yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Uh fever pitch. I've grown to hate Jimmy Fallon. I
used to like him honestly and on SNL, but that movie.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Okay does make me laugh, I know, because she pairs
her she ends up in movies with people that are insufferable.
For me, and so like I can't even appreciate if
she is doing a good job or being cute or charming,
and like I can sometimes see that. I will tell
you that the movie that I saw, I think I
saw it, like maybe when it came out or was

(23:31):
on video. It was probably on TV. I don't remember,
but I remember seeing it and thinking, my god, this
is the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in my life.
Never been kissed.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, terrible.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
She is she's a reporter, goes undercover as a high
school student, and then like her and the teacher fall
in love. That's not okay.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Well, makes it even worse is the teacher finds out
that she's not a student and he gets pissed at
her because he's like falling in love with the student
and yes, like uh more or less it's like you're
older than your.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Say yeah, he's mad. He's like, oh what, like you
want me to be okay because or like you think
it's fine because now it's okay that I'm attracted to you.
I'm like, you shouldn't have been attracted to her in
the first fucking place. This is disgusting. How did this
movie get fucking made. It's yeah, Oh my god, ew Whip.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
It's a great movie. Though, she's getting whipp it.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Okay, I do like Whip, all right, I'll I'll check
that out.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
But I just but you are right, Yeah, her roles are.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, she's mostly in like romantic comedies and it's just
not my not my thing, so like, and she she's
with people like you know, Adam Sandler and Jimmy Fallon,
who are just I can't I cannot watch them. So
I don't have any no, not gonna do it. But
let's talk about her charisma. Vacuum roommate boyfriend in Doppelganger

(24:55):
Greg knew him aka Paul rudds doppelganger Paul Rudd.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, Andrew McCarthy. I got a lot of like a
bunch of eighties and nineties type of kids coming my way.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, he's so. He was in I guess he's in
one of the Saw movies. I don't remember one of
the sequels. He was the groom and father of the
bride and father of the bride too, and he was
in Adventures and babysitting, which I do like. But he's
not a good person. And that's that's that's all Elizabeth
Shoe in that movie, So Anne Vincent and Offrios Thor.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, yeah, that's great scene. But yeah, what's his name?
George Newburn, Greg Nuberg, Greg Neuberg. He's just some basic
white too. He's very basic, no charisma at all.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
And the fact that like he has this I know,
there's like this you know, neo noir fem vitale element
coming in and like she moves in and just completely
like disrupts his life and causes chaos. And if you're
attracted to and are trying to help a woman who
is like I have this doppelganger, just very matter of

(26:03):
factly yeah, and you're like huh okay, and you're not like,
oh my god, I need to get her out of here.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah. And I feel like a lot of the background
noise and like small deep they're not really small details
because they're so in your face. All these National Inquiry
clippings that he has all over his room. Yeah, I'm
thinking that is supposed to help you understand why this
character is so involved and like doesn't care, maybe because
they don't really hit on any of those weird yeah,
like does it help them? Right? Like why are like

(26:33):
you know, woman gives birth to bad baby or whatever. Yeah, yeah,
and I'm assuming that that maybe is some sort of
because you're right when when he's just a terrible guy,
like it doesn't make sense what he's doing. No, I
have a question for you. Would you rent because you
lived in La right, yeah, we would you reach, But
would you rent an apartment with this guy for four

(26:53):
hundred and twenty dollars? You walk in, it says it's
two bedroom, two bath. He only has one bedroom, one bath.
He's obviously a compulsive liar. He's never cleaned up anything
in his life. I'm like, I would not room with
this dude.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
No, I wouldn't. But honestly, so they're the Angels Court,
the name of the apartment complex with the Griffith Observatory
in the back, Like you can see the Hollywood Hills
and like literally you can see the Griffith Observatory. Awesome
view from like the street, Danny Troy Hill included. But no,

(27:27):
like it's like those types of apartment complexes in La
are a dime a dozen. They're fucking everywhere, right, you
could go anywhere. You could throw a rock and hit
one just like it probably not with as much redd
and green lighting.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Tho oh, I appreciate the courtyard lighting.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Oh same. I was like, are they getting ready for
Christmas or Halloween? What are they doing?

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Are they gonna throw a house?

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Are they shooting a jallu here? What's happening?

Speaker 2 (27:52):
I did love the locations in this, including Angels Court,
because it all felt very familiar to me, like something
from the Fly or from like fiction. It a lot
of this, A lot of the locations are especially in
the nineties, they all kind of look the same. I
mean they bleed together.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
It does. I mean that type of apartment complex is
so very la to me, and like that that's a
big part. And like them driving around and stuff, and
like that played a big part in like my double
feature choice as well. The fact that it's in Los Angeles,
I think is like a big part of the film itself.
And like, you know, Greg Newbern is some like you know,

(28:29):
shitty wannabe screenwriter of course, like just cliched.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
And I was like, this guy wants to be Quentin
Tarantino so bad he wants.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
To, but his name is Patrick Smith and he is
no Patricia high Smith when it comes to writing talent.
Because in his His eccentric co writing partner, Ellie is
super annoying, like she's she is.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
But she has like so many great one lines. There's
some watch your dick pinhead, it's terminally lodged in your brains.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
I like the way she treats el Patrick because he's
a fucking idiot and she knows it, but she's like
in love with him. Yeah, and she does. She goes
along with everything he says. She's like, oh, you want
to follow her? That's the stupidest idea, but yeah, let's
do it.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
The characters are odd.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
They are all right. And then we have Dennis Christopher,
who I think most horror fans know from Fade to Black.
He was also in Django Unchained, and he was Eddie
in the nineteen ninety version of it. And so here's
where we're going to start getting into some spoilers. So, folks,
if you have not seen Doppelganger, I very strongly recommend

(29:44):
that you watch it before listening to the rest of
the episode, because yeah, you're not, but you want to
go in as blind as possible to this movie, I think.
But Dennis Christopher is responsible for one hundred percent of
the compelling characters and the fun care in this movie.
So you have the FBI agent who's got this really

(30:05):
badly dubbed Southern accent. You've got the father with the
scar on his face, who when he's chasing Patrick through
the aqueducts underbridge and like he's just like at the fence,
like screaming, like like you could squeeze through. I think
you're the same size as him.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
But anyway, Yeah, Yeah, the FBI agent's name was Stanley White, right,
he's the guy that pulls him into the other apartment complex. Yeah,
that scene was one of my favorites because I couldn't
believe what I was hearing. Yeah, the voice of the
dubbing is so out of place, it makes no sense.
It's not even matching the movement of the mouth. I mean,

(30:47):
and some of the stuff he's saying too, like are
you doing her? It's like what are you fucking her?
Like It's just I could not I could not get
over that scene at all.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
That's kind of like one of the interesting parts of
this is that bad dubbing, and you realize that it's
kind of meant to sound that way because it is
this other character impersonating these other people. Even when Holly
quote unquote goes to the mental hospital to see her
brother at night and you hear the voice and you're.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Like, oh, and she's talking to like the reception.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, and you're like, okay, is this the doppelganger? And
that's why she sounds weird? But then in hindsight, you're like, no,
that was him trying to like doing her voice, and
so all of these like weird elements actually, well not all,
most of the weird elements make sense by the end.
There's a few things that are like, wait, so how

(31:45):
is she's the thing? But he was impersonating and killing
and so it's got that Jallo element where it's like,
you know, exposition dump. There's technically I guess two killers
now and.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The ending is yeah, I guess we'll
get to the ending. But it's it's basically like the
riders are. They're like, let's make something a little stupid,
where this doctor Heller is just like a master of
disguise and he's in love with Holly and he's basically
wants to keep her Forever's a patient is from what

(32:20):
I gathered, Yeah, I guess he's trying to drive her insane. Yeah,
but she's actually like did he plant the idea of
doppelganger into her mind or did she was she actually
experience it in real life, like yeah, you can't think
too hard on it because it's no. Yeah, and then
they're like, Okay, that ending will piss people off. Let's
go ahead and throw this fucking hell raiser like makeup

(32:42):
effect ending at the end can.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
And be you're available, Let's grab them real quick and
we'll throw this in at the end. And yeah, so
it so let's we could back up, so it starts
with the you know, we talked about the opening, the
sex the pigeons. Actually there's lots of pigeons throughout the film.
There's some courtyard, there's some like in the dream at
the end when Holly's in the coffin. John Wufan perhaps too, you.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Know, yeah, I get it's like a lot of the
background noise, Like I feel like they're some sort of clues,
Like even when he leans in he tells one of
the kids, Patrick tells a kid like, be careful of
the white one's bite, And I'm like, yeah, does that
mean like it's it's it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
One of my I guess, sort of favorite things about
this is the things in this that are very firmly
nineteen nineties. So Patrick always taking his car stereo with him,
Like I never took my full stereo out, but I
definitely did take the like the front panel off of it,

(33:40):
you know, whenever you like park your car and you
take that out. White nylons. Yeah, and the phone sex
line like those ye all very nineties.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
I wanted more of that character so bad. This sister
Jan or Sally Kellerman.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
The nun yeah none, yeah, and like no, I liked
her a lot too, but I was. But it's also again,
these these side characters that are so interesting and we
want more time with them, but they also sort of
leave us with more questions because I'm like, how or
why does a former nun who now runs a phone

(34:17):
sex line become an expert on doppelgangers? Then it's like, oh,
because she used to be a nun. Wait, do nuns
get training on doppelgangers? Is this a thing? Any nuns
that are listeners please inform, like I just what?

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, because I love that scene where she was explaining doppelgangers. Yeah,
And I was like, Wow, this is really fucking fascinating.
I can't wait to see her again in the movie.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Nope, she doesn't come back because.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
There's a lot of Yeah, the explanation is very odd too.
Of the of the doppelganger, Yeah, I really respect.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah, and like some of the other side characters I mentioned,
like the lawyer being he's not like a disguise but
he's an actual real person. But he did remind me
I mentioned it looks a lot like the Walton Goggins evangelicus.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Oh yeah, it's the Mike Wallace character, the guy that
gets her the keys to the house. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah, yeah, it looks like that Walton.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
So fucking impressive. Yeah, definitely baby Baby Billy, Baby Baby
Billy something.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
I can't remember what his name is, but yeah, he
looks like him. Danny Trejo I mentioned, he makes an
appearance as cat collar construction worker. Then one of the
other characters that the psychiatrist comes it comes into the film,
as is this producer Richard Wolf And Okay, this is

(35:36):
nineteen nineties, and I'm like Richard Wolf as in Dick
Wolf as in Law and Order. And then and then
my mind starts going to Okay, can you imagine Lenny
Jerry Orbach's character trying to solve this case and like
the one liners he would have in a fucking doppelganger case,
it would be amazing.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
The name's Gordon me charge registered in his just bought
a last one?

Speaker 1 (36:02):
You should have thought about leasing?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
How dino't you done this on an episode before when
you had like a whole episode.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yes, I always bring it back to Law and Order.
Jerry Orbach Michael Moriarty, Jerry Orbach is like peak Law
and Order for me.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
It's funny. Yeah, that was at the party where the
dude spills V eight all over he's drinking V eight
out of a wineglass or something. I mean, it's yeah. No,
those side characters, like I said, the campy characters, they're
very They're way more memorable than what's his face and
what's her name? Yeah? Patrick and Holly.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah. The So there's also Holly's brother, Fred, who's in
the mental institution. Okay, does he or did he also
have a doppelganger? Because Holly seemed to be hinting at
that when they were talking about the father's death later on,
or maybe it was doctor Heller who was hinting at

(36:58):
like the brother.

Speaker 5 (36:59):
No.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
She when she first sees Fred, she says like, I'm
going through what you went through because apparently it's rumored
that he killed or is believed that he killed his
the father.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Okay, so because she's being accused of killing the mother,
that's what she meant. Okay, Because at first I was like, wait,
does he have a doppelganger too? Is this like a
family thing? Like were they all?

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Well, yeah, that's what That's what I was hoping for.
That's what I got from the sister Jan She said
like everybody has doppelgangers basically, and he's and she said
are you I think she even asked Patrick like are
you here about yours? And he's like no, no, this
one's a woman. Yeah. And I was kind of hoping
that it would kind of go down that route, and
even at the end, I was like, I mean, it

(37:39):
would have been kind of cool if Patrick did the
transformation and he's the fucking good doppelganger, Like yeah, but yeah,
and the way she's talking to Fred, I felt like
it was some sort of like a you know, like
a Wolfman family curse or something like it's set up
as kind of like a monster movie where she has
this condition that could be very checkyl and hide very
where affliction. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
It shows the webbing in her fingers at the very
beginning opening kill too, and it's just slime, right Yeah
I think so.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
But yeah, guy like Caroline and the mom coming through. Yeah, yeah,
so I figured that it was some sort of they
all have doppelgangers, but now it's never shown.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
I mean you have a doppelganger technically.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
I do, which is yeah, the ghostly double of myself.
He haunts my flesh and blood. Yeah, he's uh, what
is it it? Wants to survive. Cody wants to survive
like me. He's like a jungle animal, totally instinctive, totally unreasonable.
He'll do anything to keep his freedom, even kill. So

(38:43):
he's in this limbo state.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Get the only thing that can actually reunite us is love.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yeah. I And when she said that, so the nun says, like,
the only way to like appease the doppelganger and you know, so.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
They can coexist peacefully.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah, is love. And I was like, oh God, don't
be a love conquers all ending, please, And then it's.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Not, but then it is. Yeah, the endings there's essentially
three endings. Hey, yeah, it does keep going, and it does.
It's my double feature pick actually is kind of based
on I mean a lot of the things, but there's
a lot of wheel spinning going on in both movies.

(39:26):
I feel like there's a lot of nothing happening for
the sake of either confusing the viewer. I don't know if
it's intentional or it's just for the sake of showing nothing.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Sure. Before we get to the ending, though, I do
want to get back to the day after. Oh is
that Patrick and Holly had sex on the kitchen floor.
First of all, John made a joke about like the
you know, the Santa Ana Wins real thing, the tree
like banging against the window, and he was like huh

(39:55):
and I was like what he was like, he's about
to bang or bush? Damn it?

Speaker 4 (40:01):
John.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Anyway, So Patrick wakes up on the kitchen floor, yeah,
and you know, he's like, oh, yeah, we had we
got it on last night. And she is in the
other room with her like you know, daddy issues music
box and she's like, what are you talking about? We
didn't have sex, Like whatever you do with her care

(40:24):
And my question is, okay, if that's actually Holly that
he's talking to, and she's just in like a cranky
mood for whatever reason. And then the Holly that he
had last night was that actually doctor Heller as Holly.
Did he fucked doctor Heller?

Speaker 2 (40:46):
No? I mean she is No. I think I think
he really fucked I think I think he fucked Holly.
He fucked Drew Barrymore.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
But she seems to be like.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Well, she has multiple personalities from what I can gather,
like still like that's why she was a patient, and
she does have weird mood swings that. Yeah, I don't know.
I did. I didn't go.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Because they didn't show anybody getting naked, even though we
showed we have nudity in this film, like she's in
the shower, you know, rain and blood and.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yeah, it's very Rose Albanari Like when that was happening,
I was like, yeah, yeah, Lena say something completely inappropriate.
I don't know if.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Uh no so I but in my head I was like,
wait a minute, does he remember having sex with her?
Or is he like wait, what happened last night? And
he thinks that they did?

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, because does any wake up when there's like worms
and like maggots psych on them.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
There's like fucking shit everywhere, and I don't know if.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
And then Nathan the Cat's just kind of chilling there. Yeah,
did you see at the end a special thing shout
out to Nathan the cat nessher it's I was.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Like, it's I know, it's a very Nathan cat.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah. No, I didn't think about that, but that actually
makes it much more intriguing thinking that doctor Heller's like, Okay,
I gotta fucking seal the deal.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
I mean he must have.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
He would have had to drug him somehow, because obviously,
like once like the mask and the clothes come off,
he's gonna know like, hey, yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
He probably drugged him, and he's like, here's the flashlight,
see you later.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
I hit him on the shoulder and called it a day.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Wrinkled some maggots and worms on him. We're not the
window this movie.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
I mentioned how the first time I saw it, I
completely forgot about seeing K and B in the credits
at the beginning, even when there was like stuff pepperdon
kind of throughout the film. And then you get to
the end, and this is when if anyone saw my
initial review on Letterbox This is when my jaw hit
the floor because this scene doesn't belong in this movie,

(42:51):
but I am so glad that it's there. Yeah, because
it's just the effects in this you said it are
some of the best practical effects I've seen in a
nineties horror movie. Yeah, they're amazing.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, I know, I was so impressed by I mean,
she's literally her body's twisting. It's so it's such an
original idea, like she she's like so kind of like
almost fighting it, and she's twisting into a worm which
breaks apart into two beans. Yeah, he doppel game.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
It's like it starts off as like a bloody like
what Gina Davis gives birth to like this.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yes, like a larva type, large larva.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Looking thing, and then it splits off into two blood
characters that look like Julia from Hell Raiser but also
kind of mixed with Frank from original Hell Raiser, like
coming out of the floor.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Yeah, but they look like aliens from like Communion or something.
They're like skinless aliens.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
And yeah, they're terrifying. And there's scenes too at the
end too, like when it keeps going and I think
she's having a dream in the hospital bed, but there's
like a mouth with like these jagged teeth and it
opens up and it's an eyeball. Like even those little
quick cut practical effects that they've they probably spent hours
making and doing for literally a second of screen time,

(44:09):
it makes this movie. It's so good.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah, I mean this, The whole movie leading up to
this is just some like weird trashy like Di Palma
rip off of Breakfast at Tifany's, like I mentioned in
my summary. But then you get to the end and
I was like, oh no, every horror fan needs to
see this movie for this ending, for these effects, Like
if you are a fan of practical effects like this

(44:34):
is also this this is simply a must see. I think.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, it's a medley of nineteen nineties films like erotic thriller, drama,
melodramatic stuff. And you're not expecting this level of horror
and gore, Yeah in a movie like this.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Yeah, you expect it in something like a Clive Barker
movie or David Cronenberg movie or something like that. Like
I think justin the Liberty's review had something to do
with like, well, I didn't know I needed a poison
ivy hell Raiser intersected movie in my life, but here
it is and and I was like, wait what. And
that was before I'd seen the movie, and so I

(45:11):
thought like, oh, maybe there's some like not necessarily like
the gore effects from Hell Raiser, but I thought, oh,
maybe there's some like demon from below like deal like
someone's feeding it for that. Like, I thought maybe there
was some like element from that that he was talking
about with Hell Raiser. And then get to the end
and I'm like, holy fuck this movie.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Yeah very hell raisersh I yeah, it's just I wish
I saw it in the theater. I wish I saw
it with you.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
I do too. But it was a good time. It
was weird because, like I think everyone the theater was
kind of quiet for most of the part. I mean,
there's some laughing at certain parts, justifiably, so of course,
Weird Wednesday is a good crowd for the most part.
When the end came on, I think most people were

(46:01):
like me, like I wasn't like, you know, I don't
verbally react, but my jaw was just like a gape,
like watching this thing, and I think that's what most
of the audience was. So I think this would it
wouldn't be like a raucous crowd or anything. But I
think this would play really great with you know, going forward.
I hope more theaters play this one because this was

(46:22):
so much fun.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Yeah, Like imagine seeing this like with a fantastic fest
crowd or something, maybe hooting and hollering and taking the
clothes off, and.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Yeah, throw this into like the horrorthon up in Philly
or like the uh the marathon at like nubev or
something like that. Just throw it in the middle and
people be like and then it gets to the end,
and people would be like, oh my god, Like this
would be the movie that people would walk out of
their talking about because guaranteed, like most of the other stuff,

(46:49):
people had probably seen right or maybe it was like
some classic They're just like, I've just never seen it,
and that was great. No, people, this is a movie
that you talk about like after seeing it because it's
so bizarre and like, the effects are so fucking amazing.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yeah, the way that ben genre like from scene to
scene like it's and then when you get to that finale,
it's completely memorable. I think it wasn't as effective unfortunately
for me, because I had already read and learned about
and was told like the ending, the ending, and I
did started seeing glimpses of like that weird alien skinless creature,

(47:26):
you know, in the flashback scenes, and I felt like, okay,
it's coming. Like obviously, I was still cut off guard
how well it looked and how gross it was, slimy,
and just it was just good. Yeah. I wish I
went and completely blind watching this.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
I hope more people will maybe see this movie in
our list of episodes and be like what's that and
then they go watch it and then are blown away
and then then come back and listen.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Yeah, there are some people that watch movies that just
give up, you know, like halfway in a movie like
this sucks. It's just just meandering bullshit, Like I don't
care about this erotic thriller, and I hope it doesn't
happen this because the payoff is worth it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
I saw a few reviews that were like half star
reviews and people were like boring. I'm like, you clearly
did not finish this movie.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
That's that's what I got. That's what I took from
it too. I'm like, okay, it's it's boring up until like.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah, it's it's it's weird, and it's like if you
don't like nineties erotic thrillers, if you don't like neo
noirs or noir films, even if you don't like any
of that, I get why you would bail pretty early on. Yeah,
but you're you missed out, whoever you are.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yeah, I mean even not just the effects, but doctor Heller.
You get him having like a crazy Roddy McDowell moment
at the end, like he is losing it, like, ah,
that's another great scene that Stanley White FBI agent, and
then his whole dialogue breaking down what he did through
the whole movie is it's a great ending. Yeah, but

(48:55):
then you get then that happens also as soon as
you see him, as soon as you see the state
glass window, and then like somebody's flying through that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yeah, but yeah it does after the scene at the mansion,
all of this, and then it goes on for a
little bit like it didn't you know, it.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Goes to the hospital.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Yeah, and then there's this whole you know, the.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Music box saying, I'm like, of course it ends with
the music box because it opened with the music box.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Yeah, well you didn't need that. I mean, there's definitely
quite a bit that could be trimmed from this. Nothing
in the ending except for you know, post mansion, but
there's definitely some there could have been some trimming down,
and I think that's short. I think that Snasher's like
shortcoming when it comes to being a writer and director
is like, you know, he he goes a little longer

(49:40):
than he needs to, the same thing happened with Mercenary,
where like the huge what you think is the finale,
Martin Cove's I don't know, fucking Fortress of Solitude some bullshit.
His thing was built on top of a ancient church
which was built on top of a like pagan ritual

(50:02):
site or something like that. And then they have like
there's like fucking dead bodies hanging everywhere, and like they
have this ring of fire and people fighting and it's
super bloody and there's explosions everywhere. People are on fire
in this movie, and I don't think they're supposed to
be like not like protected suit. Like there's explosions happening
and they're a little too close to it and all

(50:24):
of this is happening, and I was like, this is
fucking great, and then I like hit the Okay, there's
what like ten minutes left in this movie, no thirty
minutes left in the movie, and like this whole thing,
and the worst part about it is like the guy
who's the leads like some French action star like Olivier
Gruney or something like that, no zero fucking charisma, like

(50:47):
negative charisma, and he's pulling John Ritter along and like
they're they got to go back to the place, and
like that whole thing. I was like, the movie should
have ended with Martin Cove at the Fortress of Solitude.
What the fuck? Man?

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Yeah, yeah, I could see it. Like I talked about
when I watched Bruno Matte movies like those are very
like geez, wrap it up, yeah, come on, like you
don't need this.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
But he literally put the finale in the middle of
the movie, and I'm like, bro, like we could have
figured like or if you needed to wrap up, like
what the actual deceit was like that should be like
five ten minutes max, But no, you made it thirty right.
I'm like, my guy, come on, you're you're better than this.
We have witnessed this and Doppelganger, but you gotta gotta
trim it down. A little for us.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yeah, maybe think he's being clever and weddy with all
like the twists and changes of the endings. But yeah,
it usually doesn't work. It gets exhausting, and if you
do it in every movie, get out of here.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
It's a bit.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
So it's like the m night thing, like you know
what to expect while watching.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
You're just waiting for the twist. Yeah, so I think
we both recommend this for sure. Obviously, we hope people
went into this blind. I hope that you know. I
saw like a bunch of people had watched this movie
getting ready for this episode, so I hope you all
enjoyed it looked like you did. I saw a bunch
of like three and a half four star reviews, so
thanks guys. Double feature pick Lance.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Okay, we already talked about a few that kind of
popped in our heads, like, you know, de Palma, you
could do body double might work with it. I kept
thinking of the nineties Vibe and Fear from nineteen ninety
six with Mark Wolberg. Yeah, playing a two face kind
of like Juckle and Hide, sweet guy but also a psychopath.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
You don't have a you don't have a Marky Mark impression.
For the audience.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Do I today?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
I might kind of do the house for my mother,
like say hi to your mom for me. And then
Enemy from twenty thirteen starring Jake Gillenhall. I've talked about
this movie Dune. I always forget dell Neuve, Valneuve.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Oh, Denise Villanu villain.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Yeah, I always have Struggle too, But I absolutely love
this movie. It's about like this college professor that watches
he rents a movie and sees an actor that looks
exactly like him, and they kind of meet each other
and stock each other and fuck with each other.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Oh my god, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, I remember I've
seen this movie. Yeah, it's like the ending has like
a complete what the fuck moment too.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yes, So it's like this surreal psychological thriller. I think
it would pair well with.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Okay, yeah, I didn't even think of that great pit.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Yeah, but that's not my pick.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Okay. I feel like if you didn't pick a certain
movie for this, I might not I might feel like
I don't know you at all.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I feel like this one's the more obvious, okay to
a lot of people who have watched Doppelganger and then
this movie, the Dark Half.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Oh okay.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
This was also released in nineteen ninety three. Yeah, directed
by George Romero. Another Stephen King adaptation on his part,
and this one's about an author played by Timothy Hutton,
who again is like a basic white dude kind of.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Patrick, Yeah kid, yeah, actually.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
But Hutton plays an author of murder mystery suspense thrillers
and he uses a pseudonym or a pen name for
his novels. He goes by Richard Stark, and in the movie,
he decides to stop writing under the pseudonym, kills off
the Stark name, even doing like this pr stunt by
having a funeral and there's like a headstone with Richard

(54:21):
Stark's name on it. And after this all happens, the
Richard Stark, also played by Hutton, becomes this physical entity
and he starts fucking with the wife, the whole family,
killing people, and it becomes like this. You know, it's
getting the true author into trouble. Has a lot of
similarities with Doppelganger. I feel like, yeah, it spends its

(54:42):
wheels from time to time like I said Doppelganger does.
So there's a lot of scenes of a lot of nothing,
But I think it's absolutely worth the watch. There's a
lot of atmosphere. Yeah, the Dark Half, what'd you think
I was gonna pick?

Speaker 3 (54:56):
I thought you were gonna pick mholland Drive.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Oh yeah, the Maholland with the Yeah, I didn't do it.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
I know, I don't know you at all.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
I feel like enemy might be a better pick.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Enemy is a better pick. I think I was going
more for like the how very entrenched in la Yes,
these are for sure, and just like this idea of
identity and not really like knowing kind of thing. So yeah,
I think I was like, oh, that's a probably pick
mahon Driver at least it'll be and like he'll list off.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Before he did do it, I didn't even mention it.
I feel like I leaned too hard in David Lynch comparisons.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
People expect it of you, It's true, so I expected it,
And I mean, the Dark Half is a great pick.
I just you know, I was like, oh, it's gonna
pick mahon Drive, so I want to pick that one.
I did pick one that you did list off though, actually,
because you know, as hard as this one goes into
trying to be a Brian de Palmer movie, I feel
like we should give that to people in a double

(55:56):
feature and so yeah, I picked Body Double from nineteen
eighty four double feature pick takes place in La. There's
tons of like movie references in both. There's the obvious
neo noir thriller element and doubles that one has a
Bill Maher doppelganger, just like this one has a Paul
Rudd or Andrew McCarthy doppelganger. So Body Double is about

(56:18):
this is like down on his lut guy Jake Scully.
He gets offered an opportunity to house it in the
Hollywood Hills, and he's kind of a creep and gets
his uses a telescope and is spying on this woman
and ends up seeing her getting murdered through the telescope,
and from there he gets thrown into the sort of

(56:39):
CD underworld of LA. And we don't really get like
CD underworld of LA, because you know, the closest we
get is like him going to the phone sex line place,
and yeah, that's kind of it. But I think I
do really feel like because there's so many like film
references in this, and like the sort of meta element
and how very much like Barrymore is a part of

(57:01):
Hollywood at this time that I was like, I want
something like really like it has to be in La
to be a double feature kind of thing. And I
think Mhollan drives another one like.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
That that Hollywood party sceneing Doppelganger two. That's kind of skezy.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, Body Double nineteen eighty four Dark Half,
What your I can't remember? Eighty three? Oh okay, there
you go even better saying it all right, Lance, what
is your rules?

Speaker 2 (57:28):
No rules? November? Okay, I'm going to go with one
that I mentioned and our Horror gives Back episode. So
for the people that listened to the many hours of
that first off, thank you, I lute you. You guys
are soldiers. But I watched this for the Spain category
obviously over a thousand views, which we're throwing out. But
I want to talk to you. I want to talk

(57:49):
with you about it for an hour, okay, au Henny
O Martinez. A Candle for the Devil Okay from nineteen
seventy three Spanish horror about two sisters who running in
They both suffer from religious paranoia and they begin to
murder young tenants whose morals don't really meet their strict
religious standards. Anybody already listened to the episode I talked

(58:13):
about the cast. I absolutely love the full cast in this,
particularly the two sisters, and I'm excited to potentially watch
if I can find more films from them that they're in,
as well as a uhenne O Martin who also directed
Horror Express, which is a banger. Also, as I mentioned,
there are multiple versions out there that are heavily edited,
and those are usually under the title it happened at

(58:36):
Nightmare in So stay away from those.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Everybody you said the two b one was edited one right.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Do not watch the one on two Bright for sure
will include the link. Yeah, there's a couple of YouTube
versions will include the link that has the full run time.
The channel is specifically called Visual Ventures. Has all the gore,
has all the nudity you need. Scorpion Releasing did limited
release of this. Eighty eight Films has a region locked

(59:03):
version of it Blu Ray. But yeah, also this next episode,
Eric is a big milestone for us. Do you know
do you know why? I will tell you because you
don't hang.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
On give me a second.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
I've given you five seconds, long, give me ten seconds.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
It is our No, we've more than one hundred episodes.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
No, we had, we're over one hundred episodes.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
I know we hit that one already. I don't know
what is it.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
It's our hundredth film.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Oh okay, so for the list on letters going to
be one.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Hundred, this is the one hundredth film. I was trying
to find something maybe that had something to do with
like a big anniversary or something, because we'll be popping champagne, right,
I'm be sure one hundred films we've covered, right, Yeah,
like Doppelganger Summer ninety nine, which is cool, but.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Oh it is because Doubles ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
I planned that. I totally plan that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
You guys, yeah, because you obviously knew it's gonna be
a big milestone for us. See that's excitings okay, and
then it is a candle for the devil.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
I'm excited. This has been on my watch list for
a while. I'm excited to watch it. After that episode,
we are going to have a just quick end of
year episode just me and Lance this year. I'm pretty
short on time for like editing, so can I have
just a quick one? I don't know. That'll drop some
time in December. Whenever I feel like it kind of thing,
whenever I get around to editing it. But so that'll

(01:00:36):
be coming too, and then obviously, you know, we're taking
December off of regular episodes and then we'll be back
middle of January for Joel January. That's right, just preparing
everyone for what's to come in the next couple months.
And your your lack of unsung horror, so prepare yourself
with something else.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Or if you haven't listened to horror gives back, yes,
hours and hours, you can.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Always go back and re listen to episode.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Yeah, listen o progression, listen to the specifically the progression
of my audio when we did it remotely.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Yeah, that wasn't as bad as I've heard some that
are really bad.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
It's just, you know, now that I know what we
can compare it to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Yeah, we have a couple episodes where there was a
ghost in the in the machine that was fucking with
our audio for like noble reason whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
And like Doppelganger being the ninety ninth pick that was intentional. Yeah,
for those episodes, Yes, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Yes, exactly, this episode has bad audio because we're covering
an s OV movie there, it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Is I know you're talking about Dreamstocker.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
That's right, Yeah, that one. That one did have porked audio.
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Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
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