Jack’s Back (1988) w/ Cody Schibi

No Rules November! continues as we cover another movie with more than 1000 views on Letterboxd. In fact, we kind of skip a lot of the details of this film and talk more about cinematic twins because we've got Lance's twin, Cody, as our guest!
Rowdy Harrington interview: https://bandsaboutmovies.com/2019/11/18/rowdy-herrington-interview-part-1/

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Episode Transcript

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Prepare yourself for the terror, theprison of madness. We have a few
inter and none return. Welcome toUnsung Horrors with Lawns and Denica. Leave

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all your sanity behind. It can'thelp you. Now. Welcome to another
episode of Unsung Horrors, the podcastwhere we discuss underseen horror films, specifically
those with fewer than one thousand viewson letterboxed. I'm Lance and I'm Erica.
I'm Cody. That's right, folks, this is my identical twin brother
joining us for today's episode. Hi, Hi Cody, Hi Lance, Thanks

(00:56):
for joining us. It's good tobe It's like old times, it is.
This is the very first episode thatI recorded with Lance, was also
with Cody mad House. Yes,and then we did Born a Fire,
Born a Fire. Yes, thatmovie was awesome. And now Cody's joining
Unsung Horse for the first time ever. I've been wanting to do this for
a long time. It only tookhim three years. Yeah, I wanted.

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I mean, obviously I wanted atwin movie. And you know there's
not a there are well, especiallyafter we asked in Discord and on Instagram,
like favorite twin movies, there area lot that have under one thousand
views on letterbox. But this isno rules November. Yes, so my
pick it has over one thousand views. So yeah, my very handsome,

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identical twin brother Cody, right,that's me. I wanted him to pick.
I wanted him to join us,obviously because the Twins. Jack's Back
is my movie from nineteen eighty eight, one hundred years ago. There was
a series of murders so grizzly.Some theorized that Jack the Ripper was a
medical man. I believe that wouldall also apply in this case. Human
mutilations so mediculous. My brother didn'tkill any of the people that an entire

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city was paralyzed in fear. Now, one hundred years later to the day,
the Ripper has returned Jack's Back.Yeah, it's it's James Spader twining

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in it, which yeah he is, though he's not there's no share.
There's a lot of missed opportunities,which I think we'll talk about. And
since Cody and I are experts andthe being twins it is, I wanted
to give our perspective on Rowdy Harrington'sJack's Back, maybe chat about twin portrayals
and film and just some just offersome insight into what it's like to be

(02:58):
you know, joined at the hip, not litter. But Simon's twins freaked
me out. Conjoined twins. Yeah, yeah, you gotta be pc On
here now, I mean, yeah, not really actually, so yeah,
Cody and I grew up together.We weren't only roommates, we were wommates.
Oh christ wows you get a goodone. Yeah, I got that

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from Jack and Jill. Adam Sandler'sYeah, I'm gonna talk about that too.
Eric's favorite is Adam. But no, we developed our love for a
lot of the same things at theexact same moment in life, especially horror
movies, slashers in particular, anddrawing. I'm gonna have Cody Pipi's art

(03:39):
at the end of the show.He's an amazing artist. Everybody. He
did our unsung horror logo. OhI did remember that. But no,
I mean we've developed our own personalor personalized taste as we've grown older and
we no longer lived together, sowe have different you know, ideas on
what we moved. We you know, we watch or what we see.

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But you know, there's always moments. I won't say it's like a twin
connection, but there's always it's likea best front connection where you watch something
and you're like, oh, Ineed to tell Cody about that. I
think he would love it, becauseyou know, you know somebody that well.
Yeah, sadly, I don't thinkJack spac is one of those things.
That's fine. Yeah, no,it's a good reason to have Cody

(04:21):
on the show. Hang out withmy brother. Yeah, you could watch
us like we're zoo animals, Likeanimals in the zoo. Sometimes we just
start hugging it out. Yeah,it's we're freaks. So yeah, I
think I'll go real quick through thecast and crew of Jackspac, right,
yeah, and then we'll dive intodiscussion and talk about twins. Jackspac is

(04:43):
streaming all over the place, bythe way, to b YouTube freeb,
the Roku channel, our favorite Crackle. What the hell's Crackle? I don't
know. You brought this up andI yeah, I put it in that.
I was like, hey, folks, if we want to watch it's
on Crackle. Is anyone watching shiton crack streaming site? Yeah? I've
never heard of it. Never heardof it? Okay, cool? I
mean I first learned about Fu Boofo Bou. What is fuo from from

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you. I mean there's so manythat I can't even keep track anymore.
Yeah, Fubo is basically cable.You pay for it. I just do
it during baseball season. Okay,So it's everywhere, it's it has a
Blu Ray. If you do,if you're one of those people that aren't
in this room that really loves thismovie, then you can own it.
You don't love it, I saw, I don't rating. I don't love
it, but I do own it. Oh you do? Okay, I

(05:31):
wanted to listen to Rowdy Harrington's Thatmakes sense. Then, yeah, you
have the Blu Ray. I havethe Blu Ray. Do you want to
borrow it? No? Thanks?If anyone wants to buy it from me?
No, you got to have yourhorror shelf. I do have my.
I love having my collection. Ihave a few DVDs too. Okay.

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So, and Jack's back. There'sa maniac in Los Angeles recreating every
Jack the Ripper murder one hundred yearsto the day. Awesome concept, raping
and mutilating women at night. Thepolice have somehow figured out the Jack the
Ripper copycat killing, so they knowexactly what night and how The next victim
will be murdered, but they haveno suspects or clue on how to prevent

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them from occurring, and a youngmedical student played by James Spader is murdered
when he finds one of the victim'sbodies an old girlfriend of his one night,
and after he's murdered, the policebelieve he was the Jack the Ripper
killer, but twin brother James Spadersees his brother murdered in a dream and
enters the pitcher to find out whokilled his brother. Once this happens,

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the more interesting Jack the Ripper plotkind of dissolves and sits on the shelf
for about an hour as the twinbrother teams up with the girl who liked
the other twin before he was murdered, and it becomes his convoluted overlong mystery
will spoil the ending of who Jackthe Ripper copycat killer was once we dive
into I mean, if we don'tfigure it out pretty quickly, then yeah,

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as he pops on, you're like'sthat dude? It looks like,
well, I have the thoughts aboutsomebody else, and I'll get into that
when we talk about the film.Okay, cool, Okay, So this
is Pittsburgh native writer director Rowdy andHarrington's first film, it was dirrected in
nineteen eighty eight. His given name, I found this out, is Howard
Harrington. His mother called him Howdyand he was on the varsity wrestle.

(07:21):
He was a varsity wrestler and thecaptain and the team started calling him rowdy.
So Rowdy Harrington is born. Ithink all Howard should be nicknamed Rowdy.
Now. I like that. Ithink they should all be called Howdy.
I like the Howdy angle. Rowdyhughes. Rowdy hughes like Coward hughes.
Oh there you go, okay.So Harrington started off as doing a

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lot of odd jobs in film.Predominantly he was a gaffer, the chief
lighting technician early in his film careerfor a lot of films like Ripoman and
Wes Craven's At Night ron ELM Street. So he had a lot of experience
on a lot of low budget filmmakingearly in his career. But he was
always interested in writing, so hewrote scripts while he was a gaffer,
which led him to wanting to direct. He's best known for directing Roadhouse After

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Jack's Back in nineteen eighty nine.Which still holds the best line in all
of cinema, where I used tofuck guys like you in prison. Yes,
I used to fuck guys like himin prison. It's great. You
know Payne Don't Hurt's a good onetoo, But I love that movie Keith
David Terry Funk Sam Addy's so good. Harrington then directed and wrote some movies

(08:35):
that most people have never heard of. He directed a movie called Gladiator in
nineteen ninety two, starring Kuba GoodingJunior and James Marshall or as everyone Cool
Knows him as James Hurley from TwinPeaks. Harrington casts the same people multiple
times because Spader's in three of hisfilms yeah, and him had only directed
eight. Yeah. Him and Spaderwere real close, like super buddy buddy.

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After Jack's Back, they developed agreat relationship. But he Harrington was
told if Roadhouse was a hit,he'd be able to make whatever he wanted,
and he did that with a moviecalled Striking Distance in nineteen ninety three,
which he wrote and directed, starringBruce Willis and Sarah Jessica Parker.
I learned that Robert de Niro wasoriginally cast in the Bruce Willis role.

(09:18):
Oh yeah, and he wanted tochange up the script. He liked Harrington's
script, but he wanted it moredarker and dramatic than action, which Harrington
was like, Robert DeNiro is likethe greatest actor ever, I'll do it.
Yeah, and he rewrote it.The studio apparently hated it because they
wanted the humorous action. So DeNiro'slike, I'm out get mel Gibson.
Mel Gibson apparently wasn't available, sothey got Bruce Willis. And in an

(09:43):
interview I read that Harrington was like, I'll be as nice as possible.
But Willis is not a nice guy. I did not like him at all.
Apparently he found out about the scriptthat de Niro helped, you know,
kind of rewrite, and he wantedto make that movie. But Harrington's
like, no, the studio wantsthis. So he was an asshole to
work with the whole shoot. SoBruce Willis don't be an asshole. I

(10:05):
guess we can't really say mean thingsabout Bruce Willis now he's got like severe
dementia. I mean, well,this that move was in ninety three.
I think that it was he waswith it. It was with it.
Yeah, I know, but Ijust feel like, and this is coming
from someone with no soul, likeI feel bad, you know, shaving
Bruce Willis for his behavior, andBruce Willis, I will never forgive you

(10:26):
for how you treated Rowdy. Buthave a good rest your life. Okay.
Yeah, let me go through afew more of his films because I
watched this one. This is afilm that I'm personally considering his masterpiece.
Okay. It was apparently his firstscript he ever wrote after moving to Hollywood
in nineteen seventy eight, and thescript was initially called bestseller, but it

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never sold and he kind of rewroteit as decades went on, and he
changed it to A Murder of Crows, which is the title of the film
from nineteen eighty nineteen ninety eight,with Cuba Good and Junior starring and the
Catcher from Major League. Tom bearringerEric Stoltz also stars in it. Ashley
Lawrence who is very horny in this. She has pierce snipples. Oh.

(11:11):
Yes, there is a jump scarethat's handled in a way I have never
seen before. It's a sex scene. Jump scare does a crow fly in
yeah, and starts participating. It'sa three wine. No, it shows
like an empty bed, like it'sa slow camera pan and there's an empty
bed, and then it kind ofstops, and then just out of nowhere,

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it's Cuba Gooding Junior and Ashley Lawrenceand they're naked, completely butt ass
naked, bare ass naked, andthey just jump out from behind like the
scene and they start fucking against thewall. Oh that's a jump scare.
Yeah. I was like, holyshit, so you recommend this movie?
I do masterpiece. Whoa, it'sa hump scare. A hump scare.
Oh my god, that's perfect.I think coined it. I'm gonna put

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that in my letterboxerview. Okay.And then he directed a few more films
too with James Spader, like yousaid, one called The Stick Up in
two thousand and two and Eyewitnessed intwo thousand and three, which also starred
Jeff Daniels and Leslie Stephenson, whois James Spader's partner. They met on
the set. Like I said,Harrington kept talking about how him and James

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Spader are really close. He thinkshe's the second best actor in the business.
When asked to the best actor inthe businesses he says, I have
no idea, but there's always onebetter. Oh. I thought he was
going to say Robert GINI. Iknow that's exactly when I was talking about
it. I was like, ithas to be de Niro, but they
quickly bonded. So Yeah, RaddyHarrington didn't direct a lot of movies,
just eight, but Sam from Band S About Movies interviewed him back in

(12:41):
twenty nineteen in this four part interviewthat I recommend anybody who's interested in learning
more about Harrington's career and personal life. Yeah, a little bit of a
link to that in show notes forfolks. It's great. Yeah, and
shout out to Sam for you know, sending that to me an us on
Discord. And then I also listenedto the audio commentary on the Shot Factory.
So I'm going to be pulling alot of little anecdotes and information from

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Sam's interview as well as the commentaryafter this, but definitely check out that
Bnsaboutmovies dot com. And the onething else I wanted to talk about Rowdy
Harrington is he did recently release anovel in twenty twenty called Father Christmas.
And I don't know how everybody feelsabout Spotify. I don't mind it.
I know it dicks over all theartists, but they recently added audiobooks.

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Oh and Rowdy Harrington reads his ownaudiobooks, so I'm going to check that
out. It revolves around Christmas,so I might try and fit it in
this holiday season. I'm down withSpotify having audiobooks. They have Mark play
Again Seeing Backwards and Weep Memoir toowell that he reads, So check that
out. Oh I need to reador listen to that one. It counts
as reading. Yeah it does,now, I'm just kidding. It does

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not. It does. No,listening to an audiobook does not count as
reading it. I mean the informationstill you're consuming in the You've consumed the
text, but you have not readit. Is it like listening to a
song. You're not reading the song. Well, you just said you're not
reading the audiobook, right, it'sthe same as reading. You're listening,

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Okay, to both, it's likereading. Okay, I think I think
you could log it on what isit called good Reads? Yeah, after
you listen to an audiobook, that'sjust me okay, Okay, So I'm
only going to go through a fewof the cast members real quick. First,
we have James Spader, Yes,very sexy, very feathered hair,

(14:26):
very eighties James Spader playing the identicaltwins John Allen and Richard Westford. Yeah,
I'm sure a lot of young kidshave no idea that he's the voice
of Ultron and the Avengers Age ofUltron Marvel movie. Oh, I Ford
about that? So that's him.I mean I know him most as being
Dennis Weaver's son in Cocaine. Yes, that's one of my favorite roles.

(14:48):
That's one of his earliest roles too. He's completely unremarkable in it because he's
just like the worried son about hisdad who's sucked on cocaine. Because it's
Dennis. Oh my god, it'sthe Dennis We've show. And but James
Spader's in it. And so that'sthe movie now that I think of him
the most. But like he's hadplenty of movies over the years, Like

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he's not technically part of the bratpack, he's sort of peripheral brat pack,
but like he's in so many movieslike he I think he plays the
absolute perfect asshole in Pretty in Pink. Yeah, he's got he's got the
look he's got the whole demeanor death. Yeah. I mean I think you
see that a little bit in Jack'sBack too, you do. I mean,
he's he's got that for sure,and I'm it's sort of a novelty

(15:31):
for him to play both the goodand the bad. I didn't really believe
him as the good twin in thisone. I was like, Okay,
I'm gonna get into evil twin territoryhere, because that's the James Spader that
I think everyone knows. Yeah,I mean, my personal favorites are David
cronin Kress Crash, yeah, obviously, and the controlling lawyer boss and secretary.
Yeah. I like that one too. I'm I don't know why,

(15:52):
but I'm like every time, andit's probably because Kurt Russell's in it,
but I'll watch Stargate anytime it's on, Like, well that back in the
case days, whenever that was on, I would always watch that movie.
That in shash Ankudepation were the twomovies like, oh, I've seen this
twenty fucking times, I'll watch itagain. Stargate Yeah, I mean I
haven't watched a lot of Spader,but looking at this filmography, that are

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someone want to check out one calledTough Turf for nineteen eighty five that looks
kind of cool. This one calledA Killer in the Family from nineteen eighty
three, which is apparently based ona true story about three young kids,
one played by Spader. Eric Stoltzis another brother, but they break their
murderous father out of a prison andthey go on a crazy crime spree and
Robert Mitcham plays the dado. Yeah, it's made for TV, but it

(16:36):
sounds it sounds really interesting. Ican actually see that's good casting because I
can see Spader being related to Mitcham. Yeah. Another thing, I mean,
James Spader reminds me speaking of twinsof the London brothers. The guys,
oh, Jeremy and let's the otherone's name, Jason London from like
dais Toy Confused. I think theylook kind of alike. They look like

(16:57):
a young Spader, the same eyes, I think. So. Yeah.
I never thought that I did iteither until I started looking at twins and
then they popped up and I waslike, I saw a picture. It's
like, that looks like James Speter. There's this other movie that Spader is
in. It's mid two thousand,no mid twenty tens. Tommy Lee Jones
is in it and he directed itas well. It's like this western sort

(17:18):
of called The Holmesman. And Ionly bring it up because a baby gets
chucked into an outhousehold. So isit? Yeah? Nice? Do you
have any favorite Spader roles, Cody? I mean, I think Pretty in
Pink is probably the one that Ijust know the best of Spader other than
Jack's Back. No, I mean, you just got that intense stare.

(17:41):
You know that he's always looking intoyour soul and making it uncomfortable. Yeah,
it's it's intense, but it's alsodreamy. Do you find do you
guys find James Spader attractive? Imean he's very like eighties dreamy. Yeah,
because he's on what's his so calledhit list or something, Blacklist black
black Hat black now black hats somemood yeah, black. I think it's

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called Blacklist. I've never watched it. But he's not very attractive in that
show. No, he's older,James Spader, not hot, that's like
him now right. Yeah. Yeah, he's fine looking, but it's not
I don't know, eighties James Spaderlike, he just has that like Pretty

(18:26):
in Pink is peak Spader. Ithink as far as like, he's just
the perfect preppy asshole in that andit's not attractive to me, but I
can see the appeal to most.Yeah, I think he was a team
Art thraw the for the girls backthen. I guess he's probably in those
magazines. Okay. A few morecast members. Cynthia Gibb plays Christina or

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Chris, the the doctor who workswith the twins Spader that is murdered and
then you know, starts hanging outwith bad boy Spader. She looks a
little like Emma Watson to me inthis the actress from her Yeah, I
mean I'm really I'm really reaching thedark here. Yeah, okay, but
really she's not a very recognizable actorto me. She co starred in Death

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Warrant with JCVD. She was inShort Circuit two. She starred in Young
Blood from nineteen eighty six with RobLowe and Patrick Swayzee. This movie sound
interesting Modern Girls in nineteen eighty sixshe co starred along with Virginia Mattson and
Daphne Zuniga. It seems to bekind of like a cult movie of sorts.
And then there's one I want tocheck out the Karen Carpenter Story where

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she plays Karen Carpenter. It's amade for TV movie. I mean,
I think Karen Carpenter's great, tragiclife, so I want to check that
out. And then lastly, Erica, for some reason, you went down
some rabbit hole of Chris Walkee movies. Who plays a cop in Jack's Black.
Yeah, Jack's I'm going to sayJack's Black Alive, and I probably
will tell you it's awesome, andhe has so many acting credits, but

(19:53):
it seems like a strange actor tozero in on for this episode. Well,
see here, here's into my processfor when we do things like this,
especially when it's your pick, andI'm like, I'm kind of like
more free to watch what I wantin prep for the episode, whereas like,
when it's your own pick, youhave to like, Okay, I
got to focus on the director andthe main actor. And I saw Chris

(20:14):
malky on here, and I lookedat his filmography and I found a bunch
of movies that I thought looked reallyinteresting, and I was like, fuck,
yeah, I'm going to deep diveon Chris Melky. There's one that
I've seen from before this though,that I did want to bring up because
laired program this for a Weird Wednesdaylast year called The Silencer from nineteen ninety
two, and this is sort oflike a erotic thriller lafem Nikita esque knockoff.

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Okay, I'm going to read Laird'sreview though, because you know,
no one says it better than Layardon Letterbox. So The Silencer nineteen ninety
two a deeply strange film that Icould believe would be in the Criterion Collection
if Olivier Assayis had directed it andnot Amy Goldstein. It hits checkpoints of

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both an assassin drama and a skeezyDTV erotic thriller, but it enters them
in sideways with this weird tenth Victimvideo game framing and Chris Maulky providing color
commentary throughout. It never really commitsto being either of those types of movies,
skimming along as something wholly different andvaguely artsy and its oddness. The
silencers don't even seem to work,or at least the sound design doesn't,

(21:23):
having the typical silence gunshot effect.And imagine a James Bond type hero suddenly
making out with a hot person metin a pool hall, but then calling
off the whole affair because there wasno condom. Gotta wear the glove if
you want to get the love.Nice. So this was a perfect weird
Wednesday movie. I'd recommend it witha group of friends for movie night,

(21:45):
not a solo view or anything likethat. But then some new watches for
Chris Maulky for me, first onewas Twist of Fate aka Psychopath from nineteen
ninety eight. This is a twinPeaks reunion with mat chin amech I ever
say her name right? Yeah,she's the best Jones. So she plays
a lawyer in it. It isa lawyer Dwyer, And this is my

(22:07):
review that Dwyer is literally the worstlawyer ever, and she could have done
a better job if she just watchedsome Law and Order Sam Watterson seasons.
Just got to distinguish that. Iwatched Rainbow Drive starring Peter Weller, which
is an average cop thriller, butit has a bang in tangerine dream score.

(22:29):
Oh nice, and it's on YouTube. I've just after I watched a
movie and I was typing up notes, I just like went on YouTube and
I played it and I was justlike fuck, yeah, it's good.
And then there's one other one Iwatched that I'm actually going to talk about
more in our end of year Bestof Me episode, and that's called Patty
Rocks from nineteen eighty eight. Sofolks are going to have to wait to

(22:52):
listen to that episode to hear metalk about that movie. And Chris Chris
Malkey, isn't it Andy shows hispenis oh twice. Yeah, I'm very
anxious to hear about his penis.I mean that's I mean, I'm just
gonna basically intro the film and justtalk about Mulkey's penis. I'm not even
go to talk about the film.Yeah, there's another Moulki movie that might
have been a weird Wednesday called Ghostin the Machine. Yeah, I was

(23:15):
going to watch that. I watchedit years ago and people rave about it,
and I just I did not clickat all for me. Okay,
very slow. I know him obviously, he's very amazing in The Hidden with
Yes with Kyle MacLachlan Dale Cooper.But I know Chris Malkey. First time
I was introduced to him was watchingthe twin Peaks series as Hank Jennings.

(23:37):
So he's been in like everything Iknow his I think the Letterbox has him
like just in like under two hundredcredits, but like with his television and
stuff, I think he's closer tolike three hundred on IMDb with TV movies
and stuff in the series. Andthat's all I'm talking about for the cast.

(23:59):
I mean I made a quick noteof Robert Piccardo in there. Yeah,
he is the guy that he's theDick Miller guy that pops up he
is, like he's he's just acharacter actor. He's in so many of
my favorite eighties movies, like TheBurbs, La Story, which only people
from La understand why that movie's funny. Get Crazy Star eighty, which is

(24:19):
really great total recall. I mean, just he isn't so much. Yeah
Spader, him and Moulkey are theonly two that I recognize him. Yeah
at the bottom, like yeah,I mean I tried watching one New One
with Paccardo. It was a moviebecause I did Frame up two during June's
Ploitation with John Saxon, and soI was like, oh, I should

(24:41):
watch the original because that has Wingshauserand Robert Riccardo, and I didn't finish
it. I started it yesterday andI was bored and I kept looking at
my phone and I was like,I'll come back to this, and then
I didn't finish it. So yeah, I'll report back on that later,
but they probably won't be anything noteworthy. Make Pocardo your most watch actor next
year, next year? Yeah sure, Yeah, The URBS says, that's
my favorite, Joe Dante, it'sso good. Yeah, okay, Yeah,

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that's it for Cast and Crewe wereyou talking about twins now? Yeah?
So Cody, I have a questionfor you. Okay, if I
were murdered and you had the visionof me being murdered, and you saw
a face that you knew or youthought and knew that it was a killer,
would you play detective and avenge mydeath and find out who it was?

(25:25):
Absolutely? Really? Well, yeah, Lance sounds like he wouldn't stop
what you're doing and devote all yourtime to this. Well I would.
I don't think I would, likeI mean, it's not like Cody's working
at a shoe store, so Iwell, obviously that helped solve the case.
If I had a vision of somebodyyou know that I thought murdered you,

(25:47):
I would definitely investigate. I wouldjust probably go online and start like
looking around. I mean, Iwouldn't know how, but I wouldn't either,
and I started thinking, I mean, I was googling too, you
know what happens when one identical twindies. You know, like there's a
lot of stories out there obviously abouttwin telepathy and sharing pain and stuff.

(26:10):
But I googled when one identical twindies, and you know how, sometimes
when you google something, there's likea first immediate answer that's just on the
top of the page of the oldinternets. And this was a this was
a very disturbing like blurb that poppedup. So here it is, twins
literally do not know how to existas one. When a twin dies,

(26:32):
the twinless twin longs to reconnect.The twin less twin may have phantom pain
or feel half dead. He orshe may have a need to represent both
him or herself and the deceased twin, or may even take on behaviors of
the deceased twin. I feel likethat last sentence could be like the cool
start of a movie script or something, but basically it's saying like twins are

(26:53):
fucking worthless on their own, Likethat first line. I wonder if that
was written by a twin. I'mguessing that they probably interviewed twins that had,
you know, their identical twin pass. Yeah, but that's very depressing
and it is think about. Well, so I looked up. I was
like, okay, they keep callingit twinless twin. So I google twinless

(27:15):
twin, which is a real termfor a person whose twin has died.
It's twinless twin or lone twin.Again, this is pulled from the old
internets. Twinless twins around the worldunite through organizations and online groups to share
support and the status as a twinlesstwin. And there are famous twinless twins
out there, some notable twins otherthan James Spader and checks back. Oh.

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Linda Hamilton, her twin sister diedin twenty twenty at age of sixty
three. Interesting, sad. Sheis a twin less twin, so she
is going through a special grief.Science fiction author Philip K. Dick his
twin sister died weeks after birth.Well, so he doesn't really like no,
then, I mean mean, well, that's not monosy, that's the

(28:02):
quest, that's minos I got it. Yeah, siblings, Yeah, well,
that's identical twins. I didn't knowthese are are these are all identical
twins. Obviously, Elvis Presley hada twin brother who died still born.
So I actually didn't know that.You didn't know. He talked about it
quite a bit. I don't.I don't watch a lot of all this
stuff. So obviously he had aconnection with his technically born but unborn twin

(28:26):
that you people will never understand.Uh. And then Liberachi was a twinless
twin. Oh okay, he hadthe desire to quote live for two and
I almost feel like he made thatup. Oh uh, So yeah,
twinless twins is a very real thing. And yeah, I think I would.
I would look for your killer ifyou were murdered, I hope.

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So he sounded a little surprised whenI was going to do it. Yeah,
I mean it seems like, Imean as much work as like James
Spader goes through this. Obviously,he works at a shoe store in this
The Bad The Bad Brother, sohe can I guess he can miss work.
But it seems like you would needto devote a lot of time and
he could ruin a relationship, likeI don't know, like, I feel

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like, if I want to lookfor your killer, I'm going one hundred
percent in and I'm not caring aboutanything else. I'll help. We could
do podcasts about it. How doyou get murdered this happened? Would you
go to like would you go tothe police and say, hey, I
had this vision. That's a goodquestion, you know, And then what
would the police do? Well afterJack's back, I probably would not because

(29:33):
they would think that I murdered you. But then you can do the whole
process. I mean you could usethe hypnotize me. Yeah, hypnotize me.
That was my favorite scene. Bythe way, they acting was great
in that getting strangled and stuff.Yeah, Brody Harrington said when he was
strangled during like a practice take,he was telling the prop guy to like

(29:56):
pull harder, pull harder, andhe really blacked out be joked, Oh
wow, thanks, it's James Spader. You brought up the like his death
and his twins seeing it in thenightmare like that that and only one other
element are really the only twin ties. And that's when he's being questioned and
he mentions like when they were kidsthat they gave the same answers on a

(30:18):
test. So that's that's pretty muchthe extent of the twinning that's happening in
this film. Has anything like thatever happened to you guys, same answers
on test, you you knew somethinghad happened to the other, like twin
pains anything, I've never experienced thatnow. We used to and we were
talking about this, you know,like we have an older brother and like

(30:41):
a lot of his friends would comeover and you know, we all hung
out, but they would try tolike do a little experiments on us.
We were strapped down, they likedrive holes into my head, would they
would they would separate us, youknow, and they would be like draw

(31:03):
a picture or or say a wordor there, stuff like that and see
if it matched up. And thenthen, you know, the first time
it happened, you know, obviouslythere's no successful things because it was just
kind of like, what are youguys doing? Well? All my answers
were all a dick. But thenlike after it happened, we got together
and we're like, all right,if they do this again, yeah,

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you know, these are our answersto house, and like we kind of
had these things but never really pannedout. But yeah, we never had
like some weird connection like shared painexperiences or yeah, other than just having
kind of the same like we laughat the same things in the same kind
of sense of humor. That's annoying. Yeah, but no, I think

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I think that I think non twinsiblings have that connection to like if especially
for close in age, but thereis a connection like you know, being
with each other your first half ofyour life, for our record of your
life, for like ever, likeit's like every day of the fucking I
remember, I didn't care so much. But you used to get angry if

(32:15):
we had classes together in high schoolbecause we did have we had some honor
courses together, I mean, justmy glasses for them. Uh, and
then we uh, you know,we both loved art, so we had
art together. But Cody would geta little angry and I wouldn't care so
much. And I don't know ifthat was a competition thing or I mean,

(32:37):
I think probably, I mean,I don't really even think about that
now, but probably in high schoolit was more like a let's let's be
separate. Yeah, let's live ourown, create our own. I wanted
to latch on and be like,let's walk in with our hands like together
holding hands and arms around your shoulders. My buddy and me like to climb

(32:58):
up a tree. So twins andwhose so Erica? Do you consider twins
to be creepy? Like are they? Do you think they're Do you have
questions like, I mean, doyou do you think twins are terrifying?
What I think in the context oflike how they're how they're used in the

(33:19):
film, you know, because Ithink some of the most like creepy twins
to me aren't even real twins.It's like one person playing two people,
like Dead Ringers is just like right, you know, peak twin creep creep
movie. I think that's my favoritetwins movie. Yeah, sure, and
it's it's one of my favorite Cronenbergmovies too. Same So not really like

(33:43):
the Shining Twins, Like yeah,you know sure, Like when I was
a kid, like that creeped meout, But as an adult, I'm
like, they just creep me outbecause they're children, And I well,
they weren't twins in the book inthe novel, right, cubric made that
happen, So I mean, Idon't I don't have a problem with twins.
Twins are okay, I guess youknow twins only saying that because we're

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right, you know, you know, we'll pounce on you and get right.
Yeah, I know it's two againstone. I'm I'm trying to be
as nice as I possibly can rightnow. But I think I think here's
what does creep me out about twinsis not the twins themselves, but the
parents who dress their twins in identicaloutfits, Like why would you do that?
Yeah, it's fucking weird. Youcan mix up your kids. Yeah,
you never know, Like I know, when we were born. I

(34:28):
think I think it was me theypainted our tonel. They painted one of
my tonels, okay, just tomake sure, like, okay, that's
that's lance. They never dressed asepa like. They always got like the
same shirts, but one would bered, one would be blue. Yeah,
the stripe across would be blue orred. Yeah. My nephews are
twins. They're going to be eighteenthis next year, and they still dress

(34:51):
the same. No, they Idon't remember my sister ever dressing them in
similar outfits except maybe for pictures.Yeah, and I don't remember how she
was able to distinguish the two ofthem. I still don't know which is
there's been photos where we are wearingthe same stuff like kids, like really
young kids. But even like Iguess, even up to like some elementary

(35:13):
school pictures, I'll look at somephotos of me and likes and I won't
know which one I am. Yeah, wow, it's really that that does
happen, Like I'll have to askour mom and sometimes I feel like she's
just guessing, like that's that's Cody. Look at the nose like that looks
like my nose, Like okay,so that's a weird. That's a weird
feeling as somebody to look at photos. I mean, when we're younger,

(35:37):
there's a certain point where you dojust okay, I know which one I
am. But when you're looking ata photo of your and I don't know
that, Oh wow, that's likethat's like a mini existential crisis right there.
I love it pretty like in thebackyard doing something like I don't remember
ever doing that, like losing mymind as a kid. Yeah, I
think what makes I mean, likeyou said, in horror movies or like

(36:00):
thrillers or just films in general,people do play into like you know,
the twin element being kind of creepyor makes you think about twins in general,
Like I watched Mark of Kine forHorror Gives Back, and basically it's
insinuating that identical twins are exactly alike. You just can't tell them apart ever,
even if you've been married to onefor twenty years. And Mark of

(36:22):
Kine, this lady's married to herhusband and his twin brother escapes from an
insane asylum, kidnaps the brother andstarts living as him with his wife,
and the wife's like, what doyou want for breakfast? Honey? And
it's the twin. So I canunderstand why that would scare people. Maybe
your husband or your wife or yourpartner has a twin out there, and

(36:45):
who you fell in love with isnot the person you fell in love with.
Yeah, I think, I meannot so much for like horror movies.
I mean, obviously, like bloodRages is an easy go to.
You know, we covered Scalpel onpodcast and that, but that's like one
person playing multiple roles, And soI think what's more important when it comes

(37:07):
to twins and horror movies are thrillermovies. If we're going horror adjacent,
is the opportunities for deception that canbe presented. And I think that's what
falls short for me in Jack's Backis that we basically just have two separate
movies essentially like two different characters,and there's no real like we didn't do

(37:30):
anything with the twin thing, Likethey didn't need to be twins, Like
the fact that he saw his brother'sdeath and a vision is like the main
thing, Like that's the only reasonthey needed to be twins, but like
he it could have easily been someother way that he found out who his
brother's killer was. Did they needto be twins? I don't think so.
Yeah they did. That's I thinkthat was the most I mean,

(37:52):
it's the most interesting part of themovie. Yeah, but but yeah,
I see what you're saying. It'sa story that can it can easily told
without the twin eleum, Like Icould have just been brothers and he had
that vision as well. Yeah,they could have been lovers or something.
I think the I think the Jackthe Ripper element is the most interesting part
of it, and they didn't doas much with that that they could have.

(38:13):
That they could have, so thatto me is like the myss the
big missed opportunity there, and theythrew the twins in, is like,
well, we need something else tomake this interesting, and so yeah,
I feel like it's too much.Like it feels to me like Harrington had
like a stack of script ideas andone of the movie was called Jack's Back
about Jack the Ripper, and thenhe had a script called I Saw My

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Brother's Killer, and then like anotherone called like Hot City Lights or something
about a doctor fallen in love withsome bad boy, and he just like
mixed them all together and made thismovie. But when I when I watched
a Murder of Crows very similar,halfway through the movie, it just shifts
focus and another mysteries introduced. It'shis writing style, which I both like
and dislike. I so, I, you know, I've read a bunch

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of interviews and listened to his commentary, and he did talk about the inspiration
for Jack's Back. He said helistened to a radio program on NPR about
twins, two men from Pittsburgh,his hometown. One was on death row
and one was a successful physician,and he thought those characters were kind of
inspiring about like how they took theirdifferent paths in life. And then he

(39:19):
read about how twins have known theexact circumstances and time of death of their
siblings, and he thought that's reallyinteresting for a murder mystery, so he
started writing based on that, buthe wanted a serial killer element mixed in
somehow, And as he was researchingserial killers, it was in nineteen eighty
seven and he saw that that Jackthe Ripper committed all the crimes in nineteen

(39:40):
eighty eight, so he was like, oh, it's one hundred years to
the date. Boom, no brainer, And he wrote the script. To
me, it sounds like he's awriter at heart, jotting down these pulpy
novel ideas and he just throws themall together, which, like I said,
I really like. But at thesame time, I'm like, yeah,

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I wanted more of the Jack theRippers stuff, which is just kind
of left on the shelf for anhour. He claims that the original script
of Jack's Back was more convoluted thanthe movie turned out, So I don't
know, I say, wow,no idea, But yeah, the twin
reveal in the movie I think isgenius. I think it's handled amazingly well.

(40:22):
Where the introduction of Rick the twinbrother, it's such a misdirection because
you think it's John's John waking upfrom a dream. Yeah, so James
Spader as John is murdered. JamesSpader is Rick immediately wakes up at the
end of that scene. So asa viewer, you're like, whoa,
what a crazy dream? Right?And then yeah, it's the movie is
it's a complete misdirection, a differentmovie starts. Yeah, then it's him

(40:46):
trying to find the killer, kindof a kind of a psycho type thing
where the lead character more or lessit's the same actor, but the lead
characters killed. Like about thirty fiveminutes into the movie, it feels like
though that moment of him waking upis how a really good short story would
start. Like that first thirty minutesis the most interesting part of the movie.

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It's moving, like we're we're tryingto figure out what this Jack the
Ripper killer is, like this onegirl gets fucking gutted after an abortion,
like it's it's moving, it's great, and then it hits the biggest reveal
of the film, and then fromthere we're just dragging our heels and puttering
around until we get to the finalresolution. And so that's to me,

(41:30):
it's very disjointed to me in thatsense. Yeah, no, I agree
one hundred percent. I do likethe stereotype, you know, the bad
twin. How do you usually differentdifferentiate twins the same movies A scar or
a ponytail or an earring or tattoo. Well, he's got both. He's
got scar and an earring. Yeah, and he has a shirt off too,

(41:52):
and he has a little tattoo.But any cells, shoes, shoe
and he goes to porn shots tobuy. Yeah. So talking about other
twins in film, so I knowwe reached out in discord and on Instagram,
Cody are their favorite twins and filmthat you can think of that that

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you know offhand? Like, whatare your favorite movies involving twins? I
mean Dead Ringers is probably the best. I mean, just it's a great
movie. Blood Rage, I mean, these are ones we've already mentioned.
I did bring up one called DudeMassacre Dupa Massacre Party Part three, which
is ridiculous, and it's kind ofthis. It's the same premise in the

(42:37):
sense that a twin brother is murderedand then the brother comes to the same
city that his brother was murdered intrying to find who murdered who murdered the
brother? But it's like trauma withlike South Park feel like it's bonkers my
favorite word to use. It's soout there. But that's a fun one.

(43:00):
Yeah, I mean those we've everseen that one? I need to.
I recommend it if you want tojust like shut your brain off and
just like you know what you're gettinginto right when you start watching it,
and you're like, if you don'tfeel the energy of what's presented to you
right in the get go like shutit off, right, But you have
to be in like the headspace towatch a movie like that for sure.
Yeah, like those are the onesthat really pop. Oh April Fool's Day,

(43:22):
great movie? Oh yeah, Craigbrought that went up. That was
his answer on the Discord or NotDiscord on Instagram. He asked, does
April fools Day count? And Idon't think I've actually ever seen April fools
Day? Has it just been spoiledfor me? Now? Wins Well,
kind of, but I mean itis, it is kind of that is
like the reveal, Okay, butit's still such a great movie. It's

(43:45):
it's worth watching even if you wereto know, you know, but that's
when I watch every April First,it's with a muffy Saint Clair's yeah.
Yeah. There are a lot ofmovies involving twins that I had never even
heard of, Like my watch list. Now, if I want to get
through my twin agraphy, I needto start watching these. I can't stand

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Pickles and Discord mentioned Deadly Twins,which she watched. Yeah. Yeah,
the the twin Sisters, the LoungeSister, the Landers Twins. They they're
lounge singers and they get gang raped. And wait, they both get raped.
To say, well no, wait, yeah, they get they both
get gang raped, and but onesister is having the worst fucking day because

(44:30):
okay, one Lander's sister. Shegets raped, she loses a baby that
she was very excited about having,so damn, no, no, no,
no. The next thing, it'sfunny. So she's in the hospital
and she's like, oh my god, I love my baby. She opens

(44:52):
the hospital window and jumps out tokill herself. I'm not laughing at suicide.
I'm sorry, it's not a funnytopic. But the in fact this
she lives, and she's now ona wheel. She's having the worst day.
Whoa, I mean, it's it'snot great. It's they they It's
another one of those twin movies thatit's entertaining, trash to watch. But

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they really didn't take advantage of,you know, having twins, Like they
put one in a wheelchair and theother one teams up with the dude and
they're trying to like track down likethe guys who did this to them,
when it's like, no, itshould be two fucking twins on a rape
revenge like rampant like going forward whenyou have real twins, yes, acting,
you know, fucking utilize that.Yeah, it's rare. They just

(45:36):
one in a wheelchairs. Barbarians too, the Barbarian brothers. Fuck. Yeah.
I watched one called Twin Falls Idaho, which was about it stars the
Polish brothers. They're Michael and Mark. They were also the Cinebite Twins and
Bloodlines. They're actors. Okay,yeah, something to say, I'm so.

(45:57):
One of the twin movies that Iwatched was called Almost Dead from nineteen
ninety four A. It had likethe terrible trope of twins, like there's
like the Shannon Doherty is in itand she's like peak Brenda like nineties bitchy
nine o two and O. She'sa doctor in it, and she no,

(46:19):
she's wearing like the you know,short skirt, long jacket nineties doctor
coat with like you know, herlegs all the way up to hear it.
Anyway, So she's conducting the studyon twins, and so at her
clinic or whatever, all the twinsare walking around and they're all wearing the
same outfit. It's that dum dumbass trope. But like those twins,
the Bloodline twins show up in it, and I like lost my mind when

(46:43):
I saw them, because like Ilow key love Bloodline, not low key
I love that movie fit. It'sgreat. Yeah, it's probably the well
now I'll say it's the best sequelthat would get the third best, second
best. Yeah, third best inthe series, second best sequel. But
I saw them. They showed up, and I was like, oh,
well, they're great. They're awriter director combo like they directed. I

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think Michael directed this Twin falls.I hoh. They have numerous films together.
This is the only one I watchedbecause they starred in it as conjoined
twins, which isn't something that yousee a lot of, like twins playing
conjoined twins, like I had neverreally heard that and the effects. The
first like thirty five minutes of it, I was really sold. It's very
weird. The characters don't make sense, you know, I keep you know,

(47:28):
I keep mentioning, but like aTwin Peaks type of film, like
or feeling, but then it becomeslike this over emotional drama that becomes almost
unbearable, this love story. It'snot like Greg Kinnear and Matt Damon playing
conjoined twins or anything. But andalso we got ry. One mentioned the
simultaneously talking cowgirl Twins and night Dreamsfrom nineteen eighty one, which I had

(47:52):
never heard of. I don't thinkI have either. There's one called hell
Roller again with conjoined twins. I'mgoing to check that one out because I
noticed Mary Warnoff was on that ohthe cast she so MPs. Matt mentioned
the Creature with the Blue Hand withKlaus Kinski playing dual roles, which has
to be fucking badass. Yeah wehad someone on Instagram suggests that one too

(48:15):
is a left hand path And sorry, but Matt, you kind of spoiled
one of my picks for next year. But yeah, that was the one
I mentioned during Horror gives Back ofa German crimey that I was like,
Oh, it's got twins in klausKinski and so that's it's on my list
potentially for next year. It dependson there's a certain guest that I want

(48:36):
for that one. So is itCody, it's not. I mean we're
talking about conjoined twins. You haveto mention basket Case too, of course.
Yeah. You know. Jim mentionedHouse of Yes, where Parker Posey
partakes in some twin sest with herbrother that that went to the top of
my watch list. I'm like,you got incest in there and their twins

(48:58):
bring it? Isn't that like someweird comedy drama like I've never seen?
How So? Yes, but Iremember the poster being kind of I've seen
it. I don't remember because Ithink it was like on and I was
occupied, was just like something else. But I vaguely remember she sleeps with
her twin or did just make outor I think that there's like sexual Yes.

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Yes, Adam watched Robert Mulligan's TheOther for Horror gives Back and he
recommends that one. Yeah, thatone's in the book. Yeah, I
watched, Like I said, Jackand Jill, I know you love Adam
Sandler, Erica. This movie isterrible, but I'd be lying if I
said I wasn't fully entertained and laughingmost of the time. Al Pacino plays

(49:39):
himself in the movie, and he'sin love with Jill played by Adam Sandler,
so he's trying to like court herthe whole movie. It's as amazing
as it fucking sounds. I watcheda movie called Changed for Life from nineteen
fifty two. It's like an oldexploitation film starring the Hilton twins, Violet
and Days Hilton. They're the reallife conjoined twins that are in Todd Browning's

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Freaks from the thirties, So thisis about twenty years after Freaks came out,
and they're older, and it's kindof the semi autobiographical story how they
got into entertainment, how they marriedmen for s publicity stunts. But the
plot was what really interests me.It's about one of the sisters gets married
and the other is convicted of murderkilling her husband. So the courts are

(50:25):
trying to figure out how do wepunish the murder and her sister together.
So it's a very interesting it's fun. I liked it. A lot of
people kind of gave it low ratings, but I gave it three. And
this led me to watch the documentaryon the sisters called Bound by Flesh,
which I recommend, even though it'snot very well mad very well made,

(50:47):
but it's well researched. The wholestory up until their tragic death. They
were left abandoned in town by atour manager. They were playing a double
feature of Change for Life and Freaks. That's kind of you know, that
was their whole life was entertainment,but their tour manager just left them in
the middle of this town with nomoney, nothing to their name. So
they became cashiers and lived in thetown until their death. And one sister

(51:10):
they had made a pact, whichis also kind of mentioned. I feel
like Twin Falls, Idaho copies alot of the Hilton sisters story. They
made a pact that if one dies, the other is going to go with
her. So one of the sistersdies of the flu, and then like
days later, the other sister diedwhen she didn't call for help or anything.
Very sad story, but I recommendit. It's a great, great

(51:35):
story. We have the creepy Gingertwins and Children of the Corn Four The
Gathering are twins creepier than Gingers,Our Ginger twins the creepiest of them all.
Yeah, yeah, I would sayI was for this pick. I
was going to go with The Devil'sWedding Night because it's a twin movie.
I like it way more than Jack'sBlack Jack's Back stars Rosalbaneri and Mark Damon

(52:00):
as the twins. But my lastrule last No Rules November was Lady Frankenstein
and you can never overdo it withneary, but I wanted to switch it
up. Yeah. Yeah, Soa lot of twins, of course,
are the other greats Dead Ringer,Bete, Betty Davis, good Night Mommy,
probably some of the creepiest sets oftwins. And then to Paul my
sister with Margot Kidder Hammer's Twins ofEvil Twins Sarrying, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny

(52:24):
DeVito, good stuff. We hadsome other answers on Instagram, so Cinemondo
Cult Films said the Sheriff's Strange Sonnineteen eighty six, which is a Mexican
Western horror movie, and I'd neverheard of it. And then we had
two people who gave this answer Helealaand Francisco or Riverside Cinema Galore said a

(52:47):
Z and two knots for there fortheir twin movies. See, I've never
heard like most of these movies.I know. Yeah, well, I
said, you know, specifically,we asked like tell us your underseen or
favorite, and so I think alot of people opted for underseen because they
know like our bread and butter.So right, I know we're talking movies,
but when we're talking, you know, like the evil twin thing,

(53:09):
I always think of Barton Hugo fromthe Simpsons. Yeah, but film wise
when it comes to actual twins ina film together. Besides, and I
didn't even know their names, likethe Blood the hell Raiser Bloodline twins.
You know, I loved, Ilike squeezed when they popped up in that

(53:30):
dumb Shannon Doherty movie. It's notdumb, it was great trash. There's
Mario and Fernando Almata who are ina ton of like low budget Mexican action
films from like the seventies and eighties. They're in like Renee Cardona Junior films.
I just watched one called under Siegeaka Hostages from nineteen eighty. It's

(53:51):
in the latest Cardona set that VindergersonDrome put out. The unfortunate thing is
that, you know, I'll goto like either Mario or Fernando Almaidas like
out our box filmography and start likelooking for films and like go through them
one by one and like look themup on YouTube or archive or wherever,
and they're either and I'll even lookthem up on you know, legal adjacent.

(54:12):
They're either nowhere or if you canfind him. They don't have English
subs, so I feel like thereneeds to you know, and maybe I'm
spoiling like a Blu Ray wish listfor next year because we already recorded that,
but like the next next one wouldbe like give me an Almada brother's
box set, like because there's somegreat stuff. There's a guy I don't

(54:34):
know his actual name, but heruns a website called trash Mes and he
reviews Yeah Armando, yes, thankyou. He reviews all of these films
like he's seen them. And soobviously he speaks Spanish because he can.
I think he does translations from becausehe works a lot with another guy who
runs an Instagram called seat on sixteenmillimeter and they do screenings all the time

(54:55):
out in La I know our listenerFrancisco goes to them often. Yeah,
and they've screened a few of thesefilms and I'm like, damn it,
I wish i could see that.Yeah, he's brought some stuff to Texas,
but I think the closest I've seenis like maybe Dallas or Houston.
I want him to come down.There's there's a few that are on my
list that I that are like theselow budget Mexican action films that I'm like,

(55:15):
I would drive to Dallas to gosee. Yeah, someday some of
these movies. But so the AlmedaBrothers, the McNamara twins from Canada,
the Twin Dragon Encounter. It's justpure vanity projects, like silly, like
all the like Kunk not Kung Fu. They're like Karate Chop and all the
villains and they run it and theydo it in slow motion. They're bad.

(55:37):
It's like red letter media, bestof the worst type type of movie.
But other ones that haven't been mentionedyet. Oh, you mentioned to
Palma's Sisters already. I saw thata Terror Tuesday. Good stuff. See
Cody mentioned basket Case I can't sayenough good things about Jeremy Irons and Dead
Ringers. There's a Mexican film calledThe Other or Outra from nineteen forty six,

(56:01):
directed by Roberto Galvidon. It's ait's kind of similar to Dead Ringer
with Betty Davis because it's one poortwin and one rich twin and the other
one takes the other's place kind ofthing. It's a Christmas movie, so
it would be a good watch forDecember. I feel like I watched that
on YouTube. When I did,it was a while back. But Nick

(56:22):
Cage as Charlie and Donald Kaufman inadaptation, Yeah, grateful, not a
horror movie, but I think likethat's I think it's a great performance by
him. Those are all mine,but there is one just to bring it
full circle, especially given the Codyis here mad House. Mad House does
have the twins. Twins, that'sright. That's why I got you guys

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in the first place. For thatshow. I thought you just wanted to
just sell I mean, it's it'sturned into friendship, that's fine, But
initially I was like, you guysare here for the novelty. This is
a twin movie. That's why Cody'shere today. I'm not gonna lie anytime
Twins happens. Yeah, so,I mean most of those movies have the
dual roles together on screen. Theyshare screen time, and that's why I

(57:06):
do think, you know, comingback to Jack's Back, it's a missed
opportunity to have two Spader's spadering itout together, trying to out Spader each
other. Yes, like I said, I think the twin reveal is the
best part of the movie. It'sreally cool. But uh, yeah,
it seems like a missed opportunity forfor Harrington to not include maybe even in

(57:27):
a flashback scene or something something.Yeah. I do like Spader's performance in
there. Like I've talked about,I think he is better. I never
think of him as a great actor, but when I think about, like
when we talked about Cocaine or youknow, just some of his older movies,
like, he's always good. He'sa good actor. Yeah, so
respect there. Yeah, do youguys have just to wrap up Jack's Back?

(57:50):
What are some favorite moments from Jacksfact that you have that you guys
have that you haven't already talked about. I like the U like the fight
scenes he throws like a there's likea real it's terrible. And then at
the end when he's fighting the bigguy Jack, Yeah, Jack exactly,
Like the stunt double is amazing,and I mean it's so not Spader through

(58:13):
the whole thing. It's funny.But yeah, I like, I like
stuff like that. Erica, Ithink too. Was like the reveal of
you, like the last the lasthour of the movie, No, that
was your favorite, the reveal ofwho the killer is, Like when he
looks over and like behind the curtainhe looks at he sees the shoes and

(58:35):
then he looks up and it's socreates and like everyone got that, making
sure everyone got that, But yeah, I like just the look on his
face, like when it pans upto him, like and I was like
and I was like, yeah,okay, we knew it was you.
But to be fair to the movie, for a minute, I did think
it was the psychiatrist Robert Priccardo's characterbecause of the whole hypnotism thing, Like,

(59:00):
oh, so maybe he hypnotized theguy to like help him with all
of this or to make him doit right or something like that. But
then it just turned out that he'sjust being like a weird, kind of
shady psychiatrist. Yeah, like thesecond hypnotism session at his house where he's
grabbing the gun too, it's almostlike, okay, does he think Spader's
the killer? Is he the killerand he's going to kill Spade? Like

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yeah, there's a lot of thatin the whole movie. Yeah, especially
because the first hypnotizing session when itstarts, it cuts away and I was
like, oh see, they're notgoing to show it because then we'll see
that he's actually hypnotizing him to makehim forget that he saw anything. That
he's trying to cover his tracks.So like it did throw me off for
a second, but like the secondso great showed up and is like you

(59:43):
know, sex work bad, youknow. I was like, okay,
this guy. Yeah, I haveto point out the music too. I
thought the music was very perfectly fitfor a nineteen eighties thriller. There's one.
You know, obviously you have sexysaxophone in all these movies. But
the way Harrington places this is amazingbecause it's when Spader as Rick goes to

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his brother's apartment who's dead, andhe's looking at his books, and that's
when the sexy saxophone starts playing.You know, I'm an older guy now,
and that's what library is do tome. I don't care about like
sex scenes. I'm like, yeah, zoom in on those books. What
is he reading? But yeah,in an interview is interesting. The movie
was originally titled Red Rain because Harringtonreally wanted to use the Peter Gabriel song

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that was out there called Red Rain. He wanted to use it in the
opening and closing credit scene. Instead, you get this very eighty song that
they wrote originally for the movie.Due to budgetary reasons, this was a
very low budget movie. They madeit for a million dollars twenty five days
to shoot. Harrington said he wasused to that type of, you know,
movie making. But he's like,obviously we couldn't get the rights.

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It costs a lot of money toget a Peter Gabriel song. So we
wrote an original song called Red Harvest, and that's that terrible eighties song that
you hear before during the credits.One of my favorites scenes though I mean
it's not a favorite scene, butone of my favorite effects is in the
very beginning, when you know it'sthe cold open of one of the ladies
getting murdered, and then the creditsstart and it's a white screen and it's

(01:01:13):
slowly it's a polaroid that's developing thevictim's body because the killer takes photos of
the victims or I don't know ifthis. I think maybe it was from
the Cops, but I really likehow it just slowly starts coming out into
into development. Okay, so yeah, the Doctor so greats. I mean,
of course you kind of know thatit's going to be the Doctor there
are you know, Harrington does kindof play with it. He said he

(01:01:36):
didn't he wished he didn't make himso obviously evil looking. I mean,
the actor's name is Rod Loomis,and he seems like he's a Loomis Like,
yeah, Cody, you thought helooked like a character from like an
old Hammer film, right, Yeah. When I first saw him, he
just I don't know what if ifeven like a specific character in a Hammer
film, but I felt I justfelt like he should be in a Hammer

(01:01:59):
horror film. Yeah. I couldsee he looks like an old British like
horror villain. I could totally seethat. He's probably best known to Sigmund
Freud and Bill and Ted's excellent adventure. Oh wait, he's not so great.
He's Sigmund Freud. Oh damn it. I thought you may like he
physically like he looked like with thebeard and everything. No, I honestly
thought he was so great, SinDylan Ted, God damn it, you're

(01:02:21):
right he was Sigmund Freud. Ithought it was like a thing. It
kind of looks like he could havebeen. I know, well, I
appreciate you guys playing along for thewrong reason. Well, you noticed the
delayed laughter on that joke. That'swhy you asked, like, yeah,
I was like, uh, Andhe was also King Zed and beast Master.
That's right. The movie that airedon HBO the most in the eighties.

(01:02:43):
Don Cascarelli's HBO joke is he saidthat HBO means hey, beast Masters
are Yeah. Okay. So wouldyou guys recommend this to friends, family,
enemies, loved ones. What wouldyou recommend this movie? I mean
I would if people like, youknow Spader, If someone's like, hey,

(01:03:06):
need do you know any good JamesSpader movies? This one, probably,
but probably not. I probably wouldn'trecommend it to anybody unless they're a
twin or something. Yeah, itwould have to be a specific thing,
but I wouldn't. I'm not goingto be going around saying I saw Jack's
back. You guys need to seethis immediately. You know. It's entertaining,
but that's I'm not gonna watch itagain. I'd given a soft recommendation,

(01:03:30):
you know, like it's got enoughnovelty in it that I enjoyed it.
I think it's just now that youyou know, you've talked a little
bit about Harrington's writing style, likethat makes sense, Like that's just how
he construct stories, and I thinkthat's just not like the type of movie
that I want to watch. ButI can see how not I mean not

(01:03:52):
even just for like twin complete its, but like this is a nice slice
of you know, this era andthose types of thrillers that were coming out
at the time, and it hassome moments that I definitely did you know
that I did enjoy was I wasnever bored watching it, so and that's
always a good sign. But Ididn't love it, So I mean it's

(01:04:13):
a soft recommendation for me. Yeah, yeah, I think people go it's
not going to satisfy people that arelooking for a horror movie at all.
If it's an eighties thriller, Ithink it does the job fine. I
liked it more than disliked it did. I did a rewatch of it,
and it played out much better likeI can. Like I said, it
gets a little convoluted and stuff,and I kind of knew beforehand who the

(01:04:33):
characters were, and I enjoyed itmore the second time. Okay, so
if you did want to watch itagain, Cody, you could have the
Blu Ray. I did read agreat review though, from film critic Odie
Henderson that he did a review ofthis of Jack's Back, and he ends
his article with Jack's Back maintains agiddy storyteller's glee from beginning to end,

(01:04:57):
painting itself into corner after corner,only to escape every time. It works
because of its stubborn belief in allaspects of the pulpy yarn it spins.
There's real charm and its compulsive desireto tie its preposterous loose ends, no
matter how complicated the knots become.That's my story, the film seems to
defiantly say, and I'm sticking toit. And with that outlook, I

(01:05:18):
was like, yeah, it's likeit's almost. I don't know, It's
kind of like Harrington's just just kindof like playing with the viewer most of
the time, you know, throwingout these ridiculous like mysteries and just extra
characters and these situations these characters getin and having watched a Murder of Crows,

(01:05:39):
I was like, yeah, thatfits Harrington's work. Okay, so
double features, Yeah, Cody,you're our guest. What is your double
feature with Jack's beck? I guessa parrot with the one that I mentioned
earlier, that Dude bro Party MassacredPart three, just because I think it's
just at the complete opposite end ofthe spectrum. But it's still kind of

(01:06:00):
a who killed my twin brother?I need to figure it out, you
know. So it's it's a youcan see it as a palate cleanser,
or it could be worse than Jack'sback for some people, for sure.
But I think it's just so different, but it still kind of has that
same, you know, storyline inthe sense that that would be a fun,

(01:06:21):
fun evening of two movies. Ilike it. Erica, what about
you? So this is another moviethat layered programmed for Weird Wednesday. I'm
not going to read his review.This time, I'm going to read John's
review. Okay, John went tothis with me. I'm going to surprise
a lot of people with this onethat I'm recommending this, But I think
this is a film that has somethingin common with Jack's back that if I

(01:06:46):
tell you that I'm picking it forthis movie because of the twin aspect,
that's kind of a spoiler. Butknowing that about the film will not damper
your viewing of it. But Ido implore people to watch this either with
one other person, preferably with agroup or a crowd though, So if
you see your theaters program this film, please go see it or put it

(01:07:11):
on for like a group movie night. I know Who Killed Me from two
thousand and seven? Sorry Lindsay Lohan. Yeah, I've never seen that one,
but I've heard the terrible things aboutit. Yes, all the terrible
things you have read about it areabsolutely true. But it is a film
that you absolutely must see and youwill have fun watching it. So John's
review of this, he said,I don't know if it was intentional or

(01:07:33):
not, but this flick's got musicripped right from the Mask of Red Death
soundtrack to add another layer to thecolor insanity going on here. The whole
movie is like it's either red orit's blue, like the whole movie,
So that makes more sense once you'veseen it, like the ripping a mask
of red death. I don't knowif that's intentional, because that's given a
lot of credit to the filmmakers here, But his description of it is if

(01:07:57):
Shitty Era or Gento made a thrillfor a pop culture icon trying to make
a bridge for c W viewers toenjoy late night premium channel thriller fare,
this would be it. Damn Yeah, John pretty much nailed this movie.
So I know who killed me.She sold me John. It's streaming on
some things, but again, thisshould be a group group watch with folks.

(01:08:20):
Nice. What about you, Lance, I'm going with Disconnected from nineteen
eighty four, directed by Gorman Bichard. There's a lot of interesting similarities to
Jack's Back. It's about twin sistersand there's a serial killer out there murdering
women and leaving their bodies around town. And one of the twins is murdered

(01:08:41):
and the other twin sister and policefind and kill her murderer. But it's
not the serial killer that's been killingall these women that the police think it
is. So there are a lotof twists very similar to Jack's Back.
There's a lot of moments we werewatching and you're like, oh, come
on, you know this isn't.This isn't this isn't good, This isn't.
There's too much of this. Butit's very amateur DIY absolutely no budget,

(01:09:05):
gets chaotic, doesn't make a wholelot of sense, and scenes which
I really fell in love with alot of people seem to a lot of
people. I mean, it's kindof split with people on letterbox that I
follow, hate it, love it. I'm on the side of really loving
it. I actually enjoyed it morethan Jack's Back. Great soundtrack, I

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would. It's only eighty minutes longtoo, so that never hurts. But
it's on two B right now.This is one that Vinegar Syndrome released on
Blu ray a couple of years ago. But I think a pairwell disconnected nineteen
eighty four. Thanks Cody, mylove, Thank you for joining us,
Thanks for having me. Yeah,can you tell people, like I said,
Cody's an amazing artist. We grewup drawing together. He surpassed me,

(01:09:50):
so I stepped away and handed offthe drawing crowd. Cody, where
can people find you? Follow you? See your face? I know you
do some some streaming. I streamon Twitch and yeah, just like I
post my art on social media sitesand stuff like that. Yeah, and
I have a few few album coverscoming out through some distributors. Yeah,

(01:10:15):
Cody does the artwork for a lotof the Shutter Joe Bob VHS releases.
Who releases those, It's shipped toshore Ship Shore. Yeah. So I've
done nine of their ten covers sofar, and that's always a fun gig.
But there they do. They dovideo game soundtracks too, and those
are going to be coming out verysoon, the ones that I've been working

(01:10:38):
on release, so I'm excited aboutthat. So you're at Cody Shabby most
social media stuff we'll put We'll putall his links and show notes so you
can follow him. You've got someChristmas prints in your store for sale.
Friends. So yeah, I havea well, I have a convention this
coming weekend, but I don't knowif that's going to be helpful with this.
Yeah. Actually this will be outon Wednesday, so well then,

(01:11:00):
yeah, it's at the palmer Vincenterdowntown Austin. Well, I guess that's
my downtown. That's pretty south.Yeah, I mean I have this conversation
with that's central Austin. I considerit central, but it's it's across the
river, so people say south.Well, it's horror for the holidays,
and I'm gonna have some some holidaytreats for everybody. Yeah, a lot

(01:11:20):
of vendors. If anybody's in Texas, drive if you're out of Texas,
book those plane tickets. No.Yeah, it's a cool. It's I've
gone a couple of years, ithink, just to see all the vendors,
and this is their first year.They're having guests too. They're bringing
some of the text chains. I'mask your guests and Michael Hargrove from Candy

(01:11:41):
Man Remake. Oh cool. Thisis the first time we're doing it,
so it'll be an interesting see it'susually just artists and vendors. Yeah,
Cody's are It's amazing. The unsungwhoors logo is, I mean the best
there is. Lancea is a greatartist too, just you know, don't
forget that, guys. Yeah.There is a link to altas shown as
well. Be sure to use discountcode unsung horrors all one word, all

(01:12:04):
caps, you get a huge discount. Okay, yeah, thanks Cody for
joining us. Yeah, thanks,looking forward to the next Twins to get
together, Yeah in three years,with three more years. So yeah,
our next episode is the best ofwell yeah, so next episode is going
to be whenever I feel like droppingit in December sometime. Yeah, we're

(01:12:28):
recording that tonight actually with Lindsay fromSchwackana and Anthony of the now retired Cult
Movies podcast. So we're going tobe sharing our best new to me watches
from this year twenty twenty three.We'll each have five picks. We'll share
some of our letterbox stats as wealways do, and then we're taking December
off and we'll be back the beginningof January with our Blu Ray wish List

(01:12:51):
episode, and then after that we'vegot Gellow January kicking off. I can
share my pick now in case peoplewant to get ye, get ahead,
start on watching. So for YellowJanuary, my pick is the Skin under
the Claws from nineteen seventy five.This is directed by Alessandro Santini. It's

(01:13:12):
on YouTube. I actually uploaded thisone myself because it fell off the internets,
and I was like, no,I must have this movie. We
must watch it. So like mostjolly, there's women being murdered, they're
being raped. The victims all havedecomposed flesh under their nails. Meanwhile,

(01:13:33):
Gordon Mitchell, yeah, doctor orprofessor helmet, he's working on a secret
to eternal life by doing human too. Babboon brain transplants as you do.
It is very stupid, It isvery slow at times. Some folks are
going to hate me for this pick, but god damn it, I think

(01:13:53):
it's worth talking about. So we'redoing the Skin under the Claws from nineteen
seventy five. Sounds amazing. Itis. If you're not already, you
can follow us on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook all at unsign Whores.
I'm on letterboxed, Instagram and Twitter. At Hex Massacre I'm on letterboxed and
Instagram at l Shiby. Be sureto check out all the links to all

(01:14:15):
the things good things Cody is doing. Thanks for listening to everyone, Bye
bye bye, we would thank Ijust want to be a mom the house

(01:15:02):
while I see your brother. Ilet the stars on fire the hole you
were, I say, you're subspecial? Why are you Dad, I

(01:15:28):
just want to get along. Ijust want to get along. I just
want to get along. We startback to ever come down. I just

(01:16:00):
want to get along. I justwant to get along. I just want
to get along.