Way Bad Stone (1991)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Welcome to another episode of Unsung Horrors, the podcast where
we discuss underseeing horror films, specifically those which have fewer
than one thousand views on Letterboxed. I'm Erica, I'm Lance.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Happy October, Lance, Oh, happy October to you. It's the
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It is it is. I mean, we do horror year round,
but you know this month is special because we have
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it's Halloween like it Yeah. Like you said, we watch
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this is the month where everybody's participating in what we love.

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(01:34):
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(01:55):
but it's a big amount.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Wow.

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So, folks, I know are tough, but as much as
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Speaker 2 (02:08):
That, it'll be twenty bucks.

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Yeah, So we have a matcher this year. Guys, this
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we have one matcher. And I'm like, I'm gonna be
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Speaker 2 (02:25):
Fuck yeah, he can afford it.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
He can.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
He can stop buying some of those tight fitting skinny jeans.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
No no, no, don't don't let him stop buying that.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well, I want him to buy sweatpants. Keep buying those sweatpants. Yeah,
you've seen the leftovers and he's jogging. I think you
don't talking about everybody. I'm thrilled, Like that's amazing news.
This is I mean, October just got better.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yes, so really excited, even more so than before. So
really looking forward. I already got a couple of my
picks under the belt. Not a great start yet, but
I got some good stuff coming, so I'm confident it'll
turn around. Plus our episode for this is one of
our well, it's one of my my too, Okay, it

(03:09):
is my Bleeding Skull pick for Horror Gives Back this month.
It is a movie I have been talking about for
fucking years. It got a Blu ray release from Bleeding
Skull this year, and I could not be more happy
to be talking about way Badstone from nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yes, hell, Yes, the Reign of the Racer came to.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
Tell me where the Stone is Little.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
As of this recording, it has two hundred and eighty
two views on Letterbox, and as I mentioned, it does
have a Blu ray release from Bleeding Skull. It's still
currently available on Vinegar Syndrome site. You know support and
purchase if you can. Again, I know times are tough,
but there is also a copyright warning at the end
of this film that says violators may get chopped with

(04:31):
a broadsword. So if you watch this some other way,
you're doing so at your own risk.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, and believe me, I think so. I did watch
the release. Thank you so much for picking it up
for me. By the way, everything on it, all the extras, everything,
the commentaries. This release fucking rules. Yeah, and I think
if you do violate that copyright law, I feel like
it's legit. I think some of the people will come
back and get you.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
I kind of do. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
I mean, they still have all the weapons, they do
have costumes. It's very real people.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
They know how to handle a sort. Those are real
swords in their folks or at least like coseplay swords.
Like they're heavy swords. They're not like plastic and.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
We'll probably talk about it, but some of them are
training swordsmen. They are fencers.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yes, so anyway, watch out, but I'd love that so
way bad Stone. I'm going to give a summary lifted
directly from vinegarson Drum site and their description of the film.
My only discrepancy with it is the budget. I'm not
sure if it's two thousand or three thousand, but I mean, honestly,
the budget's so low, Like why am I even splitting hairs?

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Who cares?

Speaker 3 (05:36):
But in Sam So Sam from B and S about
movies our guest from the last episode. He has a
very extensive interview with the director Archie Waugh on his website.
I link that in last episode. I'll link it again
in this one. His interview with him said the budget
was three thousand. That's the only reason I mentioned that
discrepancy and.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Like a third of that one to catering more than that. Yeah,
most there's a lot of people in this movie.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, okay, so the description from Vinenger Syndrome shot for
two thousand dollars on video in the Enchanted Force of
Florida Way. Badstone is the unofficial Dungeons and Dragons adaptation
that you've been waiting for. The story follows Aladar, a
wizard seeking revenge against a gang of barbarians and one

(06:21):
demon who stole a magic stone. Directed by Archie Waugh
and co produced written by Jan and Janny Skipper, this
bewitching passion project features raucous Renfair dialogue, splattery, violence, and
a powerful dungeon synth soundtrack. It is a perfect compliment
to your next regularly scheduled LARP campaign. So as mentioned

(06:43):
in the description, this was directed by Archie Waw. He
also co wrote the film as well as shot the film.
He also starred as Spider in the film, who was
the sort of Native American looking character in the trees
shooting darts little crossbow. Yeah, a lot of what I'm
going to talk about in this episode is going to

(07:04):
be referenced from Sam's interview from BNS about movies. If
I forget to specifically mention that, I apologize in advance
for that. This specifically was from that. So when Sam
spoke with Archie Y, he had talked about how the
first movies that he were making were eight millimeter home
videos as a teenager, and those were like ten minute

(07:26):
versions of Frankenstein and Dracula. He said. He worked for
about fifteen years from Manatee County and Florida, which is
where the movie was filmed. He ran their government access
TV channel and he had a degree in theater and
communications and was also a self taught graphic artist. He

(07:46):
also mentioned in that interview he actually handcut all the
credits that backlit them, and I'm like, that's amazing. So
he said a lot of the stuff that he did
for the Access channel was documentary stuff, live broadcasts of
like county commission meeting, school board meeting, stuff like that,
so obviously not the most entertaining content, but you know,

(08:07):
you cut your chops where you can. And at the
same time, he said he had friends who were, you know,
these ren fair performers, and he would go see them
perform and do sword play. But he was always thinking like, oh,
this would be so much more fun if there was blood,
And that's sort of where way Badstone came from. You
can't do the bloody stuff in front of kids at

(08:28):
a ren fair, apparently whatever, So that's kind of how
this whole idea came from. And they he and a
friend made this proof of concept sword fight video that
was less than ten minutes long. They showed it to
a bunch of the people at like the Renfair, and
everyone decided to go for it, and they ended up
having like sixty people in the film, so you see

(08:53):
them kind of like in the camp and in like
the bar and stuff like that. Even Archie was mom
and sister are in the film as bar made, so
it's very much a family affair, and like if you're
starring in it, you're probably also doing something behind the scenes,
which I'll talk about a little bit with cast and crew.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, and that's again we just keep in mind everybody
that this was made for under three thousand dollars and
the cast is enormous, and we always champion DIY films
like this, especially when a cast is this large and
the attention to detail is so well done. It's friends
just getting together and making it's a passion project. Like
they're just very passionate. They're seeing it through and that's

(09:34):
that's why Waybadstone is I don't know, it's one of
my new favorites, oh yay, but it is a very
interesting approach. A lot of this stuff I have a
lot of my notes are based on the commentary with
archieaw and Jenny Kofka or Skipper. Yeah, how they Archie
and j and they picked the cast from the medieval
fair and also people from the local theater, and then

(09:55):
they wrote the film around the people that they had. Yeah,
I get the if he had an actor or a
performer that didn't feel comfortable having any having dialogue. They
wouldn't give him dialogue, They just put him in the
background or do fight scenes. And yeah, it's a very
interesting approach to be like, Okay, we have this group
of people, now let's write the character. Yeah. I love that.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, I mean too even I can't remember which of
the commentaries it was, but one of them he was
talking about the title of the film and how it
was some guy suggesting, like said the name way Bad Stone,
and they joked about it being a very sort of
like California slang, and I first sounded yeah, and I
joked about that last episode. It's actually true.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
The stone is so it's way bad I love it,
and then yeah, and then Archie said he created the
graphic design on his own, and he kept, you know,
it's basically a working title. It sounded like way Bad
Stone beas all. It just I looked at the title
the font that I created looked awesome. Yeah it stuck.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, I'm glad it did. We're going to talk a
lot about the special features on here. There's two common
on the release. One of them is with Joe and
Annie from Bleeding School with the director Archie and then
the other is with Joe and Annie, again with Janny
Skipper who plays one of the main characters in the
film as well as being behind the scenes co writer producer.

(11:17):
So what else is included on there? There's one of
Archie was I guess. The only other film that he
technically directed a short film called v Squad, which is
about fifteen minutes. Do you watch this?

Speaker 2 (11:30):
I did? Yeah, yeah. It stands for a vampire Squad.
There's a v virus going on. It's very kind of
like John Carpenter's Vampires or Hunters, a.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Little bit of like Underworld. I think some people were
mentioning it because there's like a werewolf in there at
some point, and I was was a werewolf showed up?

Speaker 2 (11:45):
I was like, well, yeah, yeah. And then when it ends,
it's to be continued, so the vampire and the werewolf
are going to get Obviously I'm spoiling a fist fifteen
minutes short, but this werewolf pops up because they kind
of hint. It's about like these group of kind of
mercenaries that are hired by the government and police who
want nothing to do with the B virus. They kind
of want to stay away and they hired these these

(12:06):
tough guy people, and yeah, they hint if there's other
viruses like mutations going on. And then you get a
were wolf. And I immediately thought of Hour of the
Wolf for a minute because it was kind of cute,
but it looked pretty bad ass because I had glowing eyes. Yeah,
and there's this epic shot of them kind of doing
just jumping in the air kind of and getting ready
to battle. Freeze frame to be continued. Yeah, I'm like, Archie,

(12:27):
it's been thirty years.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Come on, bro, we need the sequel.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Just make a five minute battle.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Take it on the throw it on YouTube. We'll I'll
watch it.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
I promise it's fun though it's it's what I do
like is in front of a Way Bad Stone, but
it's called Glamour Studios. Yeah, and this is a Glamour studio,
so that must be Archie Wall's yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Thing, So speaking of a family affair. The score was
done by L. R. Fisk, Kat Kafka, who is Janny's sister,
and Kat's husband Don Oliver, composed by the Way Bad Symphony,
Way Bad Stone Symphony Orchestra.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Music recorded at the House of the Druids. Yes.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
The end credits it has a title song lance.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yes, what ballad of Jan's sister. Yeah, the originals. I
mean obviously, the about that that song is amazing. It's
fucking phenomenal. It's a earworm. But the original score is NonStop.
It's NonStop. I mean they're like, I love the est
I'll get into it, but I love the establishing shots

(13:35):
in this film, like if it's in the tavern or
just like their little campground. They literally spend like a
minute to two minutes of just establishing tons of people
doing their own shit, you know, poorly acting. Arguably in
some scenes that's fine, but the music that's going on
is just amazing. It's all over the place. Joe, I

(13:57):
had actually never heard this, but you mentioned it too,
I think in the in the summary. But Dungeon Scent.
I never knew of this genre before. No, never really
listened to it. I mean, I mean, I obviously I
did listen to it because to me, it sounded like
some music in this actually sounded like something lifted straight
from John Carpenter's Lost Themes records, Like it's that kind

(14:18):
of catchy and good and melodic, and a lot of
it sounded like video game music, which I've also learned
that dungeon synth pureist hate when video games are called
dungeon sin because that's not dungeon sin.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Oh well sorry video game.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah people, apparently it's a movement in the nineties, and yeah,
it's a genre of electronic music that merges elements of
black metal and dark ambient, which you totally get from this.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
So are you Are you a new fan of the
dungeon synth.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, I mean I feel like you could probably label
a lot of the current composers as dungeons. You know,
Steve Moore could be kind of dungeon synth, or you
could even take a step back and look at like
John Carpenter Pan kind of dungeon synthy. I don't know.
It's a new genre for me, so I have to
like it's just kind of doomy synth. Yeah, that's what
it seems like to me. There are some scenes in

(15:08):
this where there's like somebody's just shredding on like a
shitty create amp from a pawn shop, a guitar solo,
and it's just weir mirror And I don't think that
I don't think that goes into dungeon synth at all.
But I don't know if they're you know, if they're
combining the black metal. I don't know. But one thing
that I did love about this movie is I had

(15:28):
it on subtitles, same Yeah, and every time a new
description of the music would pop up, I took note.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Oh, I would love to hear this list.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
So here we go. So cosmic music continues. That's in
the very beginning, And when that popped up, I was like, Okay,
it's very cosmic y. And then it goes to haunting,
weirr cosmic wind churns, exotic medieval music, dramatic electronic twang,
upbeat retro music, contemplative music, emotional retro music, retro tavern music,

(16:01):
passionate music, which it wasn't very.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Passionate, but oh it's not during the sexing.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
It was during a sexing, but it wasn't very passionate.
It was like, I'm dancing here, calm retro music, somber music,
epic retro music. I'm like, they're all fucking epic retro
rock music, dramatic percussion, accordion, whirl. And then there was
a great sound effect that popped up, a great caption
that I had to note knife squishes skin. But I

(16:28):
don't know if Bleeding skulld did that the subtitles.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
That sounds very Joe and Annie.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
It does. There was no dungeon the scent I was hoping,
you know, I don't know if, but it was brilliant.
Whenever it popped up, I was like just typing away
because there's a lot a lot of music. This movie
is surprisingly very music heavy with there's a lot of dialogue,
but I mean it balances itself out with the music.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, and the so the sound effects you mentioned, like
the squishy noise. I think it was in Sam's interview
where he mentioned like a lot of the folly work
that he did that Archie Wa did in post. He
was like crunching celery sticks and stabbing or cutting like
lettuce heads in half. And like I read that before

(17:12):
rewatching it and I heard the lettuce and I was like,
oh damn, I wish I hadn't read that before. I mean,
it's fine, Like I don't I know, like that's fun
it's funny, but I thought it was cute.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
It's like learning in Psycho. What did he use that
he use like a knife in a canalope? Watermelon? Watermelon
can kind of like every time I cut a watermelon,
which is all the time. I don't know, but I.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Hear it delicious lands.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
I love watermelon, but I don't I usually get it
pre cut.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Easy, I get the I get the personal, the small ones.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Oh there you go.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, that's but I don't eat it all at once, but.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
I eat it like an apple, right, Uh okay.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Score screenwriters. So besides Archie Wa I mentioned Janni Kofka
Sash Skipper, she also worked on a short film called
The Maiden and that's also on the disc. This one's
only about five minutes long. It's just it's basically on
a stage where like a maiden is in a cage
and someone comes to rescue her. A very basic short film.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, filmed in eighty nine. It seems like a it's
the same cast from Ye. I think there's only like
five people. They're all in Waybackstone. It feels like it's
like a lost deleted scene from Waybackstone.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah. And then she also worked on the other film,
The Bonus Movie that's on this disc. This disc is
stacked y'all ionopsis from nineteen ninety seven, which is listed
as a spiritual sequel to Way Bad Stone.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
I'm gonna say, no, I agree with you on that one.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
I mean I get it, like we're in a forest
and we have a band of people going on a mission,
and there's probably I see the parallels to it. But
Waybad Stone is so much Betteropsis is very dialogue having
not nearly as fun.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, exactly. Janey nailed it in her commentary when she
said that Ionopsis is not as good as Waybackstone. Too
much talking, not much accent action, and she wrote it,
she wrote the Ionopsis Yeah, and it's as I was
watching it, I mean my notes are like as long
as Waybackstone. While I was watching it, this movie like

(19:23):
sucked me in. It's very horny. I mean it's it's horny.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Everyone at Redfair is fucking horny. Yes, you're hanging out
like men are swinging swords around like it's a horny affair.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
It's a horney affair. And it's also a family affair.
So what's what's going on there? Yeah? No, And as
I was watching I kept thinking that too. I'm like, okay,
this is you know, jan and Janey are obviously very
much and they were into D and D. She's she
said that that they played. They were they didn't have
a lot of money, so they bought like a D
and D you know, playbook and just a fun and

(19:55):
expensive way to play on the weekends, do something on
the weekends with friends. She loved comic book. She loves
science fiction. And as I was watching Ionopsis, I was like, Okay,
I feel like and this is no shade, but I
feel like LARPers or like really nerdy fantasy people would
be like laughing and loving all the dialogue because it

(20:15):
is so much dialogue. It feels like it's two hours
long of dialogue. Yeah, And I felt like some of
it flew over my head and like the way they
were talking and like, dear sir, you know, come to
the forest and let's sprinkle the fields with you know magic.
But it's I feel like she was probably pulling a
lot of stuff that they know about that flew over
my head. I don't know. I feel like it's made

(20:36):
for a smarter audience.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
It could be. It could also be like some D
and D campaigns that were written and like, let's turn
this into a movie, and like how do you expand something? Oh,
you write a lot of dialogue?

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, And like yeah, it doesn't it. And also as
soon as it started it's very way backstoned. Then it
turns kind of Police Academy, and then it goes like
into Predator and they're so talk about genre building and
the music too, and that thing was wild. Yeah. I
just I was so kind of I fell in love
with how ambitious the ideas and the very in the setup.

(21:13):
It's very soap opry. And when I took a step back,
I was like, this is like Days of our Lives.
So this is like Star Trek. Days of our Lives
are all like Stargate or they're all on an ex. Yeah. Yeah,
And once I took a step back and realized, Okay,
it's all about the characters. We're gonna watch these guys
talk for hours, and that's what it was, I kind
of fell in love with it.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yeah. So Archie Well mentioned in his interview with sam
so Janni Koffka she plays the female lead. They started
writing it and then her husband, the late Jan Skipper,
who played the wizard Alidaar, produced it, and then they
ended up he said, with sixty five people in the movie.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Wow, Yeah, that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
That's huge for a shot on video film like usually
shot on video is like you know, single location, maybe
a few places outside and like maybe five people.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Right, yeah, this and this was filmed on I think
Archie said he had six acres of his own land
and where he still lives. All the interior shots the
sets were built in his own home, which is so
impressive because they look like fucking castles. Yeah, it looks
like it looks I think he said something like, it
looks like it's been lived in. It doesn't look like

(22:24):
we just popped these up. Yeah, and then when you
take a step back again, it's like, Okay, sixty five people,
two thousand dollars budget or whatever it is. I think
Jenny joked that everybody got paid at least a dollar,
is what she had said. Yeah, but it's smart film,
like DIY filmmaking going to a rent fair medieval event
and bringing everybody who already has their costumes made and

(22:45):
while their their you know, weapons and made.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
And yeah, you already have all that stuff. Plus I
think in one I think in the Archie Walk commentary,
he mentioned like Annie was talking about the attention to detail,
how like in Aladar's home or his castle or whatever,
like his main room has all these like trinkets everywhere

(23:09):
and they look like they belong there they do, and
he was like, yeah, that's mostly from my house.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, and my grandmother or like he said, like his
family members were antiquers and stuff, and it was just
it's like a perfect storm. And then you get the
bat of the music, who are just relatives that probably
you know, they they wanted to do it. They kind
of threw their head in their ring and they're doing
everything for free. Very impressive.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
So Lance already mentioned a big portion of the budget,
whether it was two or three thousand, went to catering.
Also talked about the costumes. So while said in his
interview that most everybody either had their own costumes or
they made them or Janny kind of helped construct a
few of them, he said it never bothered him if
someone was wearing like some piece of modern clothing within there,

(23:56):
and it's like, if you're pointing that out, you're sort
of nitpicking. He said, it wasn't meant to be a
for profit project, and that's when you know the love
really comes through. When someone's making something like this for fun.
You can tell, like it's clear when you watch Waybadstone,
they're not doing it for money. You can tell like
they just are having fun with what they're doing. So

(24:19):
they ended up taking it to Dragon Con and selling it,
and that's the audience for it, you know. They absolutely
He even mentioned taking out an ad in Fangoria and
they sold some tapes that way as well, which I
think is great. So while also said quote, I've always
described it as a home movie that got out of
hand because we really had no more intention to do

(24:40):
anything with it other than make it for ourselves. And
then once it was shot. I don't want to get
into personalities, but there were, let us say, some interpersonal conflicts,
so to speak, and at one point I was left
my own devices and left to finish things. There were
a lot of voices in my ear though that had
an idea of what I should do, But I stuck

(25:01):
very close to the shooting script as I edited it,
which was done with two VCRs. If I was off
by two frames, I'd have to do it again. It
was analog and linear with no room for mistakes, and
that's why it took so many months to finish the picture.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, that's insane. Again, It's like the passion and the
drive to just keep going he could have just quit easily, yeah,
because they're doing this. He was doing this deck to
deck like everything was just VHS tape. I think he
said in the commentary that you know, one night he
would spind up to like five hours on his particular scenes,
you know, doing deck to deck, getting all the shots

(25:36):
and stuff, and it pretty much added up to like
twenty or thirty seconds that editing job.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
I would quit.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
It was persistent. Yeah, he wanted to complete it. And
that's where I'm like, oh, I love this DIY mentality.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
So mention the credits all being like designing the lettering
and handcutting those. The castle shots at the beginning were
a toy castle that was shot against black cardboard that
had pinholes in it so that like sort of made
the stars behind it, and he filmed that. I think
that was on like top of like a desk or
a dresser or something like that, he said, which I'm like,

(26:10):
that's perfect.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
And then learning about how he pretty much handmade he
designed all of the vhx VHS box art himself, glued
them all together, you know, all handwritten stuff. It sounds
like Joe bought one. Yeah, the Fearless. Yeah, like you
bought a cheap on Amazon or something. Some guy was
selling it use but yeah, and they're only like a

(26:32):
hundred of those made it. But he was just selling
these and fangoria ads at comic conventions and dragon con
like it's I love it.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Let's see jan l Skipper who played Ali Dar and
was producer. And then there's jan Or Janny Kafka slash
Skipper as roz Ja. She's the lead lady fighter in
the film. Co writer, co producer, costumer. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
She did everything. She was a new mom, she was
taking care of kids like that. There was a lot
going on.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Well, no one's perfect.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
She just went down.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Let's see Gregory Miller played spar aka Dave Mustaine.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Dave Mustaine, I saw that right.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Oh, it's just like the minute he popped on screen,
I was like the Mustaine in this movie.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
So this isn't is there Anname Bane there is?

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah, that's not him.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, I mean everybody, I mean all the men in
this have a look. Well some of them look straight
like Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Like they look like w w
E wrestlers from like the late eighties. Yeah, like as
soon as Lord Alatar popped up. I was like, this
is like Captains from the Deadliest Catch, like Adirin fair Like,
he looks like Captain Bill or they all look like

(27:48):
members of the Almond Brothers or something, or Christmas Robbins.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Oh okay, the.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Demon lover like, I felt like this guy could like,
I love the look. I mean everybody. The women look
great too, but the men especially are like, Okay, all
these guys dreamt that they were a lead singer of
a glam rock band at some point, especially dang Well.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
And and spar and spar Well. He wouldn't do glam
rock though he wants. You know, he loves Megadeth, he
I think, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
He probably hates Metallica and James Heffield and all the
band members. Right, so he's you know, singing about Hangar
eighteen and Mystics five five magics.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, all right, well, I said Miller. Barry blankens Barry
Blankenship mag played Phedra and the Demon at the end.
Now there's two other actors in this. There's Michael mag
and then there's Lou Blankenships. So I don't know if
she's married to or related to one of those two,

(28:50):
but I assume it's at.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Least one of them, yeah, or both, because.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Michael mag is in it, and he also he plays
JAGGEDI and did the light and then Lou Blankenship was
the ceramics artist on it. Jeffrey Lee played Creole and
was the weapons master. And then of course I mentioned
earlier that both archie was mom and sister are in
the film as barmaids, and Sam mentioned it in our

(29:16):
episode last week. How you know Archie really treasures this
movie because his mom and sister and it. He doesn't
really have any memorabilia or photographs or video of them
other than this, so like they sort of live in
his memory in the film.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
You mentioned something earlier about like the actual like swordsmen in.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
This Yeah, well, jan and Jane Janey mentioned that her
parents I think were fencers. Her dad was a fencer,
and that her and Janie also were fencers. Like they
were kind of not I wouldn't say professional, but I
think they did like tournaments and stuff, and they did
stunt work at the Renfair, at the medieval events. They
were quote stunt stunt people, I mean, and you can

(29:59):
see that, like they're not just like sword cross sword
cross sword cross stab.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
You know, it's like, I mean, it is a little
clunky for sure, but like they're also wielding actual heavy
weapons too, but they're also like flipping over each other
and doing like some rustling jumping out of trees.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah. Yeah, and they're from What Archie had explained was basically,
once they had the cast together, they had this script,
they knew which two characters are more were battling against
each other. He was basically like, you guys go off
and choreograph your own fights so you can see who
the stronger stuntmen are or the choreograph you know fighters. Yeah,

(30:43):
but they're all equally endearing and fun to a lot.
And it's a huge battle at the end because you
have background and four ground battles. It's epic.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
It's a lot happening. And I think he said in
the commentary too that like they had to have a
schedule of who was fighting who when because they needed
to make sure like for continuity. I'm like, who thinks
about continuity when making an SOV Like fucking amazing, like
you would even think to do that like anything else.

(31:13):
Fucking I love you, Tim Ritter, but my god, that man,
like he would throw someone in who died five minutes
ago in the back, you know, in the crowd, like
right behind somebody, like it's you know whatever, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, but like.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
The fact that he even planned this out to make
sure like, okay, well, if you're fighting, you're dying, then
you can't be in the foreground of this scene kind of,
you know.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
And if you're running in the background, I made note
of that that your fight is coming up, you know.
Like it's like the attention to detail. I know Janny
Skipper and her commentary, she said that Archie was like
he was an amazing director. His attention to detail was
like insane. One of my favorite things. Also included on
the special features is that photo gallery. Did you go

(31:56):
through that?

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah, A lot of those are on the the There's
a Way Bad Facebook page, which I found years ago
when I first watched this film, and I was like,
oh my god.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
They're all super sharp, clean pictures, all of like you know,
the making it behind the scenes, and you see Archie
Wald dressed in his loincloth, yeah, smoking a cigarette, like
leaning into the camera, and I'm like, I don't know,
it's funny, Like he was probably in that character the
entire shoot, and he was, you know, conducting this kind

(32:28):
of masterpiece. He had all the notes in his head
and he probably had you know, he's just like a
master wearing a loincloth and a beaded necklace.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
So I have I know you're going to be surprised.
I have never larped before, so I cannot speak to
the culture of it. But I know you and your
friends made your own movies when you were younger. Yeah,
do you feel like there is like these two things
are very complimentary, Like it almost is like why aren't

(32:59):
there more of these? Because LARPing seems like just pick
up a video camera and make an sov right movie.
Like it's just it just seems to go so well together.
And it's just sort of the sort of like intersection
of these subcultures that I love.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean I never
got into larpinge either, but I did, you know, as
I was watching. Whenever I watch movies like this, like
you brought up, I brought up to it takes me
back to C Double TV. You know, our production company
when we would make these skits Captain Tripp's Television. We
were a big deal and we would dress up, you know.

(33:37):
I mean it was a form of LARPing. We would
create our own characters where we would reenact our own movies.
But watching movies like this, it just takes me back
in time and I can't help but watch something without
like this, without a smile on my face or laughing
at like, oh yeah, I know how he shot that,

(33:57):
you know, because we just had a camcorder too, a
VHSC quarter and it always reminds me too. There are
certain scenes in this, especially maybe with Archie WAW's look,
I kept thinking of Michael leam Black from the State,
and I kept and the State was I love kids
in the Hall, you know, I love Upright Citizen's Brigade,
but like the State has a special place in my
heart because I was really like, we would watch that

(34:19):
a lot, and the whole cast I think are great.
But there's like when I was watching Waybacke wayback Stone,
I kept thinking of the State and how just how
fun it is and how into character everybody's staying and sincere.
But you know, it could be perceived as just a
complete joke. But larpin no, I do have I have friends.
I had a lot of gamer friends that that would larp. Really. Yeah,

(34:42):
they would dress up, they had the ears and they
go to you know, ren Fair and Innfest and here
in Austin Renaissance Fest. I guess I've never been. I've
never been either. Just seems so hot. Yeah, and if
you're all geared up and you're wearing like leather satchels
and I'm you know, that's where I'm like, I'm out.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah, I've been to. The closest I've been to is
medieval times. Do they have that out here or was
that just in California?

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Now there was one, and there was one I think
closer to like New brown Fuls. I want to say, Ok, yeah,
that's like with the joustine and the fighting and stuff.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, I mean that's oh no, you know, I think
I went to like one thing that they had back
in Long Beach. I appreciate how devoted, like everyone at
those things is to what they're doing. Oh yeah, and
that that definitely carries over here into this. And you
can tell kind of like who the the stage actors

(35:35):
are versus like the Renfair people who were just like
I got I got the cool costume and my word
and what do you want me.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
That's one thing too about the swords in this nobody
has a sheath, and they're for their fucking swords. So
they're either like just throwing, you know, stabbing it into
the dirt, shooting the ship, or they just have it
like leaned over their shoulder, you know, carrying it over
their shoulder. Yeah, where are the sheaths? I guess you
have to be ready if you if you stay ready,
you ain't got to be ready. That's an ice cube quote. Okay,

(36:04):
so that's what they're doing. They're ready for battle. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
There's this one moment where so Lance mentioned how this
was filmed on like wah, I had like six acres
and they were filming on there. There's one moment towards
the end where they're fighting and one of the dudes
acts as a tree and it nearly falls down and
both of them pause really quick, like they have this

(36:30):
like oh shit moment and like they kind of like
looked like over their shoulder a little bit and it
kept rolling. So it was like, oh shit, we almost
killed one of his trees. Sorry, bro, you know, I
was like I don't know. In my head, I was like, oh,
they're thinking like, oh shit, are we gonna get in
trouble with like the forestry department.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Or something that's funny. Yeah, I do know exactly the
scene you're talking about, because it did remind me whenever
we would rough house, Me and my brothers would rough
in the backyard and we would break a tree, we
would break a limb. My dad would huge into like,
you know, everything he was growing in the yard. It
was like I felt that I was like, Dad's gonna
yell you like you're in trouble here.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Guys, do you have a favorite character?

Speaker 2 (37:13):
I do. I think it's Baine. Okay, that's the long hair.
So I'm gonna get very specific here. Again, Bain reminded
me at first. He popped up, you know, like a
bloated Vince Neil guy. He's the guy that he's kind
of the leader of the group. It sounds like, for
the most part, the bad guys. But he also looks
like Andrew Wood from Mother Love Bone. You know Mother

(37:34):
Love Bone is I don't there before Pearl Jam became
Pearl Jam. Okay, so it's Jeff aman Stone Gossard or
in it. Okay, Tipple the Dog was written about Andrew
because he died of a heroin overdose. Anyways, Andrew Wood
the singer, looked just like Bain okay exactly. And Chris
Jericho the wrestler. He's my favorite again, Like I said,

(37:57):
I felt like he was the guy too, Like we're
he's in some of the photo gallery scenes where he's
just like rocking out. You know, he's got like a
torn up shirt that he probably just wears every day
to work or something. I'm like, this is guy is
a lead singer of some band, some glam rock band.
I felt like he had the roughest death too. Yeah, yeah,
because he was stabbed. He was gutted and then at

(38:20):
the very end spoiled the demon pretty much like scalps him.
He's a tough motherfucker and like his character didn't deserve
to be that tough, which is what kind of I appreciate.
Like he just kept going and I'm like, oh shit,
Bain's back. And when he was fighting, there's one of
my favorite scenes too, when he's fighting a guy he
smashes his face into like the cut open stomach of

(38:41):
his friend. He's just rubbing his Yeah, Bain was my favorite.
I was very he was a charismatic guy. He felt
like a wrestler, like I was watching a really good
wrestler perform.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
There's some great dusts in this too, like that one
that you mentioned. And I know I've mentioned it before,
but like this isn't a horror movie until like the
last and even then, like it's not really horrm. It's
just a it's a bloody sword and sorcery movie at
the end. But you know, there's access to the heads,

(39:12):
there's impalements, there's scalpings.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
There are getting chopped off.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Decapitations from like the demon, like throwing heads around, and
like it's just so much fun. And I think he
mentioned there were like six gallons of stage blood used
for this, and in a very short period of time.
Like there's a few kills leading up to it, like
when AlIdar summons, you know, all all the warriors to
get the band back together, and like the big guy

(39:39):
he's like best friends with Raza. I can't remember his name.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
I liked him, Yeah, he was cool.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
But he's like battling like three guys and then he
gets to call and he is like, oh fuck it,
and he just once fails swoop just fucking kills them all.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
And I was like, yeah, he gets something like and
it's it's yeah, there's a throat rip too. Yes, there
is like a roadh throw rip. There's one guy who
is like he has a spear I think in him
and then he walks up to the other guy and
you know, pushes the other guy out his spear and
then he falls on him and then he kisses him.

(40:13):
I mean, there are scenes in this that like it
just pot like I'm just like, where's this going? And
and we haven't talked about the sex scene either. That
pops up.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
No, no, So one of the guys who gets summoned
is in the middle of having sex. He's apparently a
jigglow because he's the one who's supposed to get.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Paid, right. Yeah. She's like, he's like, you can pay
me next time.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah, and he's he's fucking and he gets the summons
and he's like, well gotta go, and uh he just
pieces out right right then and there like respect, you know,
leaving before you nut like good for him.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, I mean he looked a little bit like mcguiver again.
I'm like, this is here, mind you mcguiver, And you know,
it was a very angry Cleopatra that was that was
he was given it too. And as soon as that scene,
it pops out of nowhere and there's ass, there's ah,
and I'm like, what is happening in this movie? Like
I'm it's going another level, Like I don't know what

(41:06):
to expect moving on.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah, and then he leaves and she grabs a banana
and I'm like, oh, yes, are we and then she's
like no, she throws a banana and I was like, okay, Well,
it's the thought that.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Counts it is, you know, that's it's just as good.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
So, I mean, I mentioned I did a really brief
summary at the beginning, but so alid R, you know,
he gets his stone stolen, he gets his like band
of helpers back together, like he summons all of them,
but really like there's you can kind of tell there's
something sinister going on behind like behind his eyes. Like

(41:44):
once like he gets everyone together and like they're starting
to suspect it, and in the end, like everyone fucking dies,
like it's complete carnage.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, there is a Darth Vader moment with alid R
where he's like, we must find arth Earth the girl
and one of the guys like or he says, we
must find Earth that is foremost Yes again awesome, awesome dialogue,
and one of his warrior friends says, and the stone
and he's like, leave the stone to me, very vader

(42:15):
like and just kind of walks off. And that's when
you obviously know, like this guy's up to something. But yeah,
at the end, it's like any of your favorite characters,
don't be too attached to yeah, because you know, female
Darkness from Legend pops out like she her makeup is
badass it she wins.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
As well she should. You know, it is the age
of demons now because she has killed all the protectors
of the Red King. And yeah, now it's like now
it's demon times and I welcome it.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
And that's probably where like doesn't she like pick somebody up.
I think it's Phager or something, and it's just like
a gallon of blood going down her legs. That was
really cool. Yeah, it gets it gets gory at the end.
It's worth sticking around. I mean, I think I want
to talk about one of my favorite scenes, which is
in the tavern, and I think it's Jane Skipper playing
the She's getting ready to take her top off because

(43:08):
she lost some bet and you know, all the guys
are like, yeah, yeah, you know, I'll being stupid, and
then she has that vision the summon and she's like,
I gotta split, and then the guy's like, no, I
won this bet, and she reaches and she kisses him
and says, I'll make it up to you, and everybody
just starts laughing. All just so cheesy, and the guy
that she's kissing, it looks like he's getting ready to cry,

(43:29):
but he starts busting out laughing like a crazy person,
and she turns around and lists her sort up. I
think that scene kind of summarizes my joy watching this movie.
It's like everybody is happy. You don't know what emotion
they're trying to portray because of their acting abilities for
the most part, but it's still so endearing and so
much fun to watch. One of my favorite scenes without

(43:51):
a doubt.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah, this is one of those that's like where did
I initially watch it? It was either on YouTube or
Cave of Forgotten Films like a few years ago, and
then just randomly like I saw something and I saw
the description and I was like, oh, yeah, it's it's
just so refreshing to see people have fun making movies
who you know, and verified by the interview where he

(44:14):
didn't they weren't doing it to make money. They were
genuinely doing something like this for fun, like getting their
friends together and like that type of not even like
there's no there's not even really like I mean, there
is ambition behind it because of like how hard he
worked on it after the fact, right, But there's not
like these delusions of grandeur about it. There. It's no

(44:37):
like Steve Barquette type movie where he's like thinking he's
making the next fucking you know, post apocalypse Mad Max
movie or whatever. It's just so genuine and refreshing, and
movies like this just make me happy one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
And I kept thinking too when I was listening to
the commentary, like how you stumbled on it by accident,
and it was like, oh my god, love this. Can
you imagine answering the Fangoria ad sending off the I
looked because they in the photo gallery they did have
the ad. Is somebody still had the ad and it
was quote the first sword and sorcery splatter movie, Vengeful Wizards,

(45:15):
Beautiful Babes and Lists, Lusty Warriors and blood Splattered Combat,
Incredible body Count not rated nineteen ninety five plus two
dollars shipping, and could you imagine like, Okay, I'm gonna
do this, sending it off like whatever it was nineteen
ninety one, receiving this, pop it in it in your
VCR and like just you know, depending on you know,

(45:37):
whoever the person is, but just fucking falling in love
with this and being like and you don't know the
history of it. That's what's you know, there's not really
much internet like back then, right, but once you learn
the history of this, you're it's even more impressive. That's
why nobody should look down on these type of movies.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yeah, And that's and that's the thing too, is like,
I obviously I could have picked this movie years ago,
and I I think the only source I would have
had would have been Sam's interview, which is fine because
actually pretty much everything that Sam talked to Archie about
was in the commentaries. But then you have Janny's commentary,
you have the additional films and the shorts and like

(46:14):
all the other stuff. And so I'm glad I waited
to pick this movie. I'm glad we finally got to
cover it. I hope more people watch it. Do you
have any other final thoughts about Way Bad Stone Lands.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
I mean, obviously we love it, but you have to
take it for what it is. I mean, most of
these movies you do, this is a bunch of friends
and family member literally getting together and making a movie
for let's say less than three thousand dollars. Yeah, spending
weeks like I think they said they started shooting in
November nineteen ninety and ended maybe early January, so you know,

(46:54):
shooting on weekends. Everybody's working day jobs. Everybody's Janny said
she was taking care of two kids. You know, everybody's
throwing in there. Like few dollars they have. Jan was
a surveyor at some like big engineering company, and he
pretty much paid for everything that he could, and he
would work nights. You just kind of take a step
back and take it, take it for what it is.

(47:14):
Like all these guys just stuck with it. Archie would
spend who probably knows how many collective days editing this
thing deck to deck. It's it's just so impressive to
think about somebody who just stays this persistent and makes
something that just puts a smile on my face when
I watch it, and I laugh, and I can't wait
to watch it again. So love it, love the pick.

(47:35):
Glad you waited as well, because you have been telling
me you got to watch this since day. One night.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
I literally had to buy this movie for Lance to
get him to finally and pick it for the podcast
to get them to finally.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, I've been and I'll openly admit I'll be the
first to a minute, I dropped the ball on that,
but again, it's a perfect time. It's great for horror
gives back. You'd be your unsung horror pick, could be
your bleeding skull, could be your nineteen ninety pick. Yeah. Yeah,
there's a lot of categories and I recommend everybody watch
it and buy the Blu ray.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
If you can.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
If you can, all right, as Chara to buy it.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
I don't think I can. I think they limit you.
So I've already bought my two copies.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
I think it's just probably per order you think, or
is it actually like flagg to your account? I don't
know that, so.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, no, I'm not buying it for people. You guys
can get it yourself.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
I guess I could buy two, all.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Right, Lance, double feature pick.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Speaking of two, Speaking of two, I mentioned Christmas Robbins
already in this okay, and every man has a look
and every guy has a look in wayback Stone. And
as soon as Chris Christmas Robins as leave all Blessings
I think was his name, as soon as he popped
up in my head, I couldn't stop thinking of The
Demon Lover. So and it's awesome to think about how

(48:54):
Waybackstone was made in nineteen ninety, where The Demon Lover
was nineteen seventy six seventy seven, and how there's there's
similarities there visually, especially, I feel like they could each
have popped up in either movie. That is my double
feature pick. We have a whole episode on it. Obviously
that it was one of your picks. You should listen
to that episode. If you do watch the Demon Lever,

(49:17):
you have to watch Demon Lever Diary yep. But the
pick it's mainly due to the look, the acting abilities
of the characters. There is a fantasy element. There's swords,
there's a crossbow. A guy get shot in the dick
yep by a crossbow. They're castles. There's a great line
from Christmas Robbins that says, well, if there's no hassle,
let's go inside the castle. Yeah, so bad. There's a demon,

(49:43):
but it's all about like the long haired subjectively bad actors. Yeah,
and I think there, I think it's just a fun
I think they're both around like eighty three minutes and
it'd just be a good time to just smile and
laugh with your friend, what about yours?

Speaker 3 (49:59):
So so, in Sam's interview with Archie, he actually asked
him what were some of your influences on Way Bad Stone,
and Archie said, quote, I liked stuff like Sword and
the Sorcerer, Death Stalker and beast Master a lot. But
I also grew up on Pepham films when I was
a kid. That was my Saturday afternoon watching Hercules or

(50:21):
Meciste or whatever they renamed them in the US. I
appreciate the frank amount of gore that they had in
them for the time. So I am going with what's
probably my favorite gory sword and sorcery film, and that
is Full Cheese Conquest from nineteen eighty three. Slightly higher budget,

(50:45):
but you know, it's a sword and sorcery film with
just you know, it's got that filter on it, lots
of haziness, the gore. Just one of those movies that
you can just kind of put on in a lazy
afternoon and just you don't need to know really what's
going on. You're just enjoying what's in front of you.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, that's a great pick, Thank you, good stuff. I
thought you were going to go with Kroll because I
remember Jane Janey and her commentary, so she was a
big fan of Kroll, and I was like, oh, that's
a good that's a good double feature.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of Kroll.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Yeah, so that was what I grew up on. Yeah,
Conquest is better, I think. I think I remember my
review saying, like only fol she can make a burning
body feel like a love making scene. It's hazy, beautiful
music and yep, but yeah, I need to rewatch that movie.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Yeah, all right, next pick, Lance, Next pick.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
So I am, I'm going to be traveling for about
a week, so this is going to really kind of,
you know, hinder my ability to watch movies. Unfortunately I'm
not it's gonna be very limited. So I hope, I hope,
I hope our listeners don't think I'm trying to like
be lazy here with this pick, because I'm picking something
that I feel like we'll have very little research. But
every time I do.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Jinks, do you just fucking jinks to yourself?

Speaker 2 (52:03):
It doesn't matter if I say it a loud or not.
Every time I think that, like, I'm like, Okay, this
is a busy week for both of us, you know,
and you know I don't want to spend too much time.
And you know I love doing research for all of
our episodes, but sometimes time is minimal, especially like Krey
gets back. There's a lot going on. Yeah, and like
the stupid traveling that's kind of interrupting stuff. But every
time I do pick a movie based on that, I

(52:24):
go down a fucking rabbit hole and like I never
come out, like I'm going to find something about this,
and I think you will too. I mean, okay, this
is a movie we've talked about. We brought up on
the podcast couple of times. Okay, it's it's a movie
that starts one of our favorite actors. It's actually a
movie that he directed. It's his only movie, though it's

(52:49):
been it's a movie that's been made fun of.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
I think I know what this is.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
I'm talking about John Saxon, Okay, okay, and I think
I think the first time I watched this, I thought
about I think I watched it thinking it it was
going to be a pick, but then I was like,
I don't know, man, this isn't This isn't the greatest.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
We thought more and more about a pointment with Fear too,
and that turned out to be a great episode.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Yeah, and I think this will be the same with
Zombie Deathhouse from nineteen eighty eight, Okay, the only movie
John Saxon ever directed. What's it about? Okay? So there
are a ton of plot holes in this thing, right,
but it's pretty much about an insane government official, a
colonel played by John Saxon, who takes over a prison
and begins testing out his newly invented virus, a virus

(53:32):
designed to significantly alter the behavior of convicts serving life sentences,
and as soon as they're injected, the unwilling subjects become
these mad killers. But later they become these slimy walking
corpses in various states of decay, and they're kind of
oozing this highly contagious body bodily fluids that infect the
whole cell block. So the uninfected inmates begin to riot,

(53:56):
and only the wrongly imprisoned Vietnam that Dennis Coal and
biochemist slash investigative reporter friend Tanya Carrington can stop John
Saxon from turning them all into zombie killers. That's not
really what the movie. I mean, it's about that, but
it's an action movie with like really poor we'll talk

(54:17):
about it, Okay. It's on YouTube. It's sitting at five
hundred and sixty four views on letterbox. Yeah, and I'm
excited to spend some time on it. We've talked about
it a little briefly. Like I said, it's definitely more
action genre than horror, but it's one hundred percent a
total mess. Which are my favorites. It's on too B too,
it is on two B. It's on too B. Yeah. Good, Okay,

(54:39):
it's on too B as well.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Well, that's what letterbox says, but.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
I think it is. I think you're right, but I
know that there is a good, a good copy.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Of my review last time I watched this.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
I think you said something about how it breaks your heart.
They can John Saxon that it can only only give
it three stars or something.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Yeah, yeah, it hurts me to only give this a
generous three stars because in my heart Saxon can do
no wrong. I stand by that.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think I even rated
it last year. You didn't, coward, I didn't. I mean,
there's some movies where I'm just like, am I right?
Am I? The right state of mind is is this?
Like it's too powerful of a fucking experience for me
to even rate. But this will be one of my
very few rewatches during the month of October because or
Is back's going strong.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Yeah, I uh, this is gonna this is probably gonna
change my what was going to be my tentative pick
for No Rules November.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
That's okay, Sean's in that he was, but we can
always double I know.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
But it's also kind of semi it's too close, which
is fine. Like I had a lot on my list
and I was like leaning towards that, and and then
I was like, may and I got this. I got
I have plenty of ideas. There's too many ideas for
No Rules November. Okay, it's fine, don't worry about it.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Yeah, I really wanted to pick because I don't have
Zombie Death House, because it's not a first time watch
on my Orgives back list, and I was going to
take the Philippines movie. I was going to pick Doris
Wishman's A Taste of Flesh, which I loved, but Doris
Wishman deserves a lot of times. Yeah, maybe even a guess, like,
maybe even get it Liz. Yeah, So I that one's
on the back burner because I did watch that and

(56:14):
it was a lot of fun. I've started on my
hood Gifts back.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Well you should. It's the third of the month.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Well now I started pretty like I think I've watched
like six movies, so fu oh, good for you.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
I'm gonna catch up this weekend. I'm taking every Friday
in October off and the last week of the month.
Oh shit, I'm gonna get there. We have a fucking
person matching donations. I am not fucking around this month.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I'm gonna watch hate whoever you are. I'm gonna watch
five hundred movies, and I'm gonna donate eighty thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
You're not that much to match. No, don't don't go,
don't go. Ham.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
I will not have a house, I will not have
a car anymore.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
But I will just say that if we do as
well as we did last year, then we'll have a match.
I'll leave it at that.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Wow, that's that's that's amazing. I love I love kind people.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
I do too. I love our listeners. They're very kind. Yes,
and this is just amazing. So all right, so next
episode Zombie Death House. If you're not already, you can
follow this podcast on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook on Sun Horrors.
I'm on letterbox Instagram and I'm you know what, I'm

(57:22):
gonna get off Twitter soon because book is sold out? Boom, yes,
thank you. If you are listening to this and like
what book? What are you talking about? And you find out
what it is and you're like, I want one. I
put up a link to a wait list on there,
and if I get enough people that get on that
wait list, then I will do a reprint. But I

(57:43):
am not doing it because like four or five people whining.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
To me, you're lost.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Sorry, I am tired, and I don't want to sell
any more books right now.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
All right, the demand is there, I know it, Yeah,
it's somewhere.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
But when anyway, I'm right lands war.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Can do to follow you, you can follow me on
Instagram and letterbox at l shyby that's s c H.
I B I like a Timid bat shyby, I don't.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Know all right, Thanks everyone for listening. We'll see you
back next episode and keep up those watches for Horror
Gives Back.

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