Zombie Death House (1988)

This week we're discussing all the things right (and wrong) with Zombie Death House, the only film directed by John Saxon. Or did he??? Listen and find out the details about that, why everyone thinks this is an Italian movie, and what movies work as a double feature with it.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
It can't help you. Now.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Welcome to another episode of Unsung Horrors, the podcast where
we discuss underseen horror films, specifically those with fewer than
one thousand views on letterboxed. I'm Lance, I'm Erica, and
for this episode, we will be talking about Zombie Death House.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
No, we're here to talk about my husband.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Well, yes, we'll get to this. This, I mean, the
sexiest man in cinema.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
I was not informed that we would be just talking
about this movie. I thought this was a John Saxon episode.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
This is like a Heckle and Hype Oliver Reed situation
where we will just be talking about John Saxon because
there is next to nothing about the production of this
movie that I could find on the internets. But I
did reach out to one person that we could probably
guess who always has the facts and the information on
every movie.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
And Sam didn't have any things.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Sam Panico came through.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Oh of course he did, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
So I got some pretty juicy tidbits here. About the
movie which I'm very excited to share. Okay but yeah.
Zombie Deathhouse also known as Death House from nineteen eighty eight,
again directed and starring the sexiest man in cinema, mister
John Saxon.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
John Saxon, in his directorial debut, plays the single minded
army colonel who uses prisoners as pawns with cold calculation.
The subject needs to be somebody in solid knowing you're
gonna make up stupid like the.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Others, we expect something a little bit moremmatic.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
The panic deepens to a primal cellular level.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Adrenaline is pumped into the system with a tremendous surge.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Out of control. The fringly con the riyat killing him,
the guilty and the innocent.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Big serves to die alt Ryan all night.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Well, I'll be glad to do whatever I chand to
help you.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
Guys want to get out of here.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
The other guy that could get you out of here alive.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Shap h men were seeking new victims. They could strike
at any moment no guards could hold. When they are
overcome with blood must each step is a journey into terror.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Quick overview of this movie. This is a convoluted mess
Oh my, guess that's complicated, okay. Derek is a Vietnam
vet who takes on a job as a chauffeur to
mob boss Vic Moretti, and Derek starts sleeping with Moretti's wife.
It's his wife, right or girlfriend this lady? So Moretti
kills her and frames Derek, who is then sentenced to

(03:16):
the electric chair. When thrown into prison, a government agent
played by the sexy John Saxon takes over the prison
and he begins testing a super soldier virus on the
inmates serving life sentences, which gives them super strength and
then turns them into zombies, which infects all the other inmates.
Derek and a reporter who was once a biochemist work

(03:39):
with the warden and some other inmates to escape, but
Saxon wants to blow the whole fucking prison up, and
the reporter Tanya, comes up with the vaccine while in
the prison, although while Vic Moretti is allowed into the
prison by Saxon to visit his brother Franco. It's a
complicated mess that we'll get into. It's like, I'm just
going to keep talking and throwing we subplots into this.

(04:01):
The summary. If I keep going so Zombie Deathhouse is
currently streaming on tub. It's also available to watch on YouTube.
I will say the version on YouTube is censored. Oh yeah.
It cuts out about three to four minutes, cuts out
all the nudity, cuts out a lot of the gory
scenes like when vic Maretti kills his wife and girlfriend
of the tub, like when they're tearing heads off and

(04:24):
slashing guard's throat. That's all taken out.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
They don't take out any of John Saxson, do they.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
I don't think so. Yeah, but just watch the tub.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Version because I feel like that would get flagged by
YouTube as being like criminal.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
I think it would be flagged by you. I think
you would shut it all down. What the fuck. It
also has a Retromedia DVD release out there, and as
of this recording, it has five hundred and seventy views
on letterboxed. It also has one of the coolest posters ever.
It does the poster. The movie does not do the

(04:57):
poster justice.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
It looks like it's an Italian movie. It does, and
the movie feels like it's an Italian movie.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
It does, but it feels like it should be dubbed,
like I think I read a couple of like reviews
online where they're like, Hey, all my friends who watch
this just bash it. But I feel like, if you know,
an Italian director directed this and it was badly dubbed,
more people would enjoy it and give it the benefit
of the doubt. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
I can see that. Honestly. I was like, this only
didn't end up in Cauldron's Houses of Doom box set
because it's not Italian directed, right, which is okay because
I love the box set as it is.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, this is but adding this to that, Holy shit,
I know. Okay. So this is the first and only
movie that John Sexton directed, and there isn't. Like I said,
there isn't much out there about how he came to
the project. I read a few things on IMDb. It
said that the original director bowed out shortly before filming began.

(05:59):
I couldn't find out who the original director is. I
have my theories. I think it could possibly be Second
Unit DP Gary Graver. Oh, just looking at some of
the credits, but I don't know like the people involved.
Apparently he was very enthusiastic about directing this, but unfortunately
the producers wanted more car chases and gore than the script.

(06:20):
Asked for, and Saxon later admitted that he did not
really get the chance to make the film that he
had in mind.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Okay, that's fair, I mean because then I can be like, Okay, well,
yes this exists and it's not great, but it's not
his vision. So John Saxon has done no wrong in
his entire lifetime.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Correct, Yes, this is true. And even if he did
fully direct it, So, like I said, I couldn't find
any information. IMDb also said that it took only nine
days to write the script amongst a handful of writers,
It had a budget of a million and a half.
It took twenty three days to shoot. Again, I don't
know if this is all real, but I just couldn't

(07:01):
find a whole lot about this. So I was like,
I got to reach out to someone that I think
would and that's Sam Oh.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
We love Sam.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, and like I said, he came through. So when
I was researching Zombie Death House, I found out that
there were some crew members that worked directly with Fred
Olin Ray right the director producer, and a lot of
the crew members also worked with producer Nick Marino on
multiple occasions, and since Retromedia, Frank Olin Ray's label released

(07:28):
it on DVD. You know, Sam mentioned, Yeah, I suspected
that Fred Olinray was probably more involved than the credits
might say. So he reached out to his friend Jim Upton,
who edited Frank Olin Ray's new book, hell Bent for Hollywood,
A Director's Journey, which was released June of this year,
and she provided some tidbits from the book concerning Zombie

(07:51):
Death House, which Sam said Fred. He reached out to
Fred too, and Fred said it's okay to share on
the podcast, right. Actually threw in a few extra little tidbits. Okay,
So in the book in the chapter I'm not going
to like it. This isn't a spoiler. I cut out
a bunch of stuff. But she did share like a
bunch of the chapter where Fred brings up Zombie Death House,

(08:12):
he says that he had directed a fight scene for
Gaiale Force from two thousand and two with Tim Thomerson.
This has nothing to do about what I'm gonna talk about.
He mentioned.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
He wanted to bring it up.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
That's fine, which, yeah, he said he was brought in
to fight a direct fight scene for this movie, which
had been ruined by Lyn's malfunction, and that show was
so far behind schedule that they couldn't pick up the scene.
So he got this call saying would you mind coming
down and reshooting this fight with B unit while the
A unit continues doing what they need to do, And

(08:45):
then he mentions it was very similar to some of
the fix at work I did on Deathhouse with John Saxon.
He said. John Saxon starred and directed the Prison Zombie film,
but he just for some reason struggled with the finale.
They shot the finale three times before someone finally said, look,
this isn't working, and they called fred Ol and Rayan
and they asked him if you could come down and

(09:07):
help him out. He said okay, because the producer, Nick Marino,
was also a friend of his. And he said, I
went down and shot a sequence where the heroes are
escaping from this prison and coming out in Bronson Canyon
while zombie inmates tried to kill them, and John Saxon,
who I effectively replaced as the director, had to continue
on the show as an actor in these scenes, and

(09:29):
I'll admit it was very uncomfortable, but he was extremely professional,
and John and I talked a lot about what we
were going to do, and like my experience with Gary Graver,
who was also the DP on Zombie Death House. He
said he had to shoot some scenes with Moon and Scorpio.
I felt almost obliged to let Saxon call action and cut,

(09:49):
but I didn't. It was a big shoot and I
needed to establish who was in charge now, so he
took over as director. Then he said that the writers
and producers directors had not prepared any means whatsoever for
these people to escape from the prison and the Bronson Cannon.
They hadn't even considered how to achieve it. So he
then includes like a funny story about like you can

(10:11):
see lunch serving trays when they crawl out of the
prison into the cave. He's like, I had to concoct like,
you know, it's a great little book or a great
little fact about, you know, the movie specifically, but not
really much to get into. Then he said, Nick Marino,
the producer, watched my Death House footage and then, liking
what he saw, he decided he needed more action, and

(10:32):
he concocted a new scene that would shoot in the
back alley behind the adult video company elevated jewelry fencing.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Okay, I was like, why is this scene in this
fucking movie. It plays no part in the plot whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, apparently these two guys, Savatory, I don't know, Salvatory
and Jim Golf played gangsters selling plastic explosive shaped like
dashboard Jesus figurines, which I didn't see in the movie.
A car races down the alley, smashes into them, blows up,
and a kung fu fight breaks out with the hero
Dennis Cole all in a night's work. So that is

(11:09):
that scene, that random scene where basically it's the five
minute credits opening credits. It's just, oh my god, jam
packed of so many things.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
There's too much information in the opening credits.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yes, it's like a montage of every action movie that
you that you could think of. Yeah, he said, I
did that additional scene as well. And at the end
of the day, I never really thought to ask, Hey,
am I going to get paid for anything for this?
The answer was no. Three days. I spent three grueling
days on the movie and I didn't get a dime,
not a fucking dime. And I probably didn't get any

(11:40):
credit either. I don't remember, and I don't want to.
So yeah, I don't think any And Sam was like,
I don't think anyone anywhere else has ever reported that
Saxon kind of directed this in name only. I would
imagine he got a lot of help him, you know,
never having been directed before.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
We've spent three days on it, which means Saxon was
directing for the other twenty other twenty days.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
But I don't know if it's hinted on that the
other dps were handling some of the directing scenes as well,
But I don't know. I think it is Saxon's movie.
I think this is his directing credit. I think maybe
he would have gone like the Alan Smithy route if
he wanted to, because it does sound like the producers
this snick mareno wanted something completely different, changed up and

(12:25):
threw in random action scenes that really have nothing to
do with I mean, it does have something to do
with a story to get Derek into the prison and stuff,
but not even that, Like it had nothing to do
with anything.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
The police car chase, like once he's been framed, Like
I can see that. But yeah, the jewelry fencing scene,
I was like, what why why this movie?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, it reminded me and I'll talk probably a little
more about it, but it reminded me of a po
Boy production. It's very like a pieced together I was.
I was expecting Fred Williamson to pop out. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
I saw one of the the cast members is in
quite a few Poe Boy productions, and I was like, oh,
here here's Lance's chance to talk about Poe Boy again.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
I don't have a whole lot of notes to talk
about it, but it did give me that vibe the
whole like, yes, and that's why I do enjoy this
movie very much.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
So yeah, I think maybe, like you know, we should
spend our time focusing on what Saxon is good at,
which is acting.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah and yeah, delivering his lines, looking good, being badass
and fully committed because he is really great in this Yeah,
as are the Moretti Those are those are my guys. Yes,
but yeah, I want to thank sam Jin and Fred
for you know, giving me information to share that little tidbit.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
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(14:01):
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Speaker 4 (14:28):
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Speaker 4 (14:37):
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Speaker 6 (14:49):
Out to just double check.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, because his are awesome. Yeah, good, good little plug there. Okay,
so we all know this is the John Saxon Show.
The episode I should say, well, we all know love him.
I don't think we need a deep dive into all
his films and the greatest stuff.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
I have notes on all of his films, My goodness.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, I had some stuff that was you know, like
his real name. We could talk about his real name,
Carmen ol Rico, Carmine Carmine a Rico.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yes, you got to get the Italian.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
And it was changed by the same guy, the talent
agent Henry Wilson, who changed Roy Harold Sheer Junior's name
to Rock Hudson. Saxon was only seventeen at the time
and Wilson got the permission of his parents to change
his name, is what I had read. And he was
contracted with Universal Studios early nineteen fifty four at one

(15:44):
hundred and fifty dollars a week, and the rest is
fucking history. But yeah, we know his films, I know.
But maybe we could just talk about some of his favorites,
of our personal favorites, and maybe stuff that we watched
for the episode.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Okay, final, let me just throw away No, no pages
of notes on all of his films, That's fine.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Share whatever you have, because my notes on this film
are two paragraphs.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
So I rewatched Cannibal Apocalypse with the Tim Lucas commentary,
I love that film dearly, And the Tim Lucas commentary
actually pointed me to an episode of a nineteen sixties
TV western series called Cimarron's Strip starring Stuart Whitman, and

(16:30):
the episode is called Journey to a Hanging and Saxon
plays a drunken bandit named Screamer. In it, he agrees
to help the sheriff track down some wanted outlaws led
by Coffin played by Henry Silva.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, you messaged me and real like you should watch
this if you have time, and I didn't.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
Yeah, I know, I messaged you really late in the
week and so I didn't expect that you would. But
it's on YouTube, folks. I highly recommend it. It's Journey
to a Hanging that should come up right away. Tim
Lucas said it in his commentary, and this is what
really had me intrigued. He was like, I think this
is John Saxon's best performance. Oh wow, and he is

(17:11):
going for it like he is just like I mean,
we talked about how like he always gives it everything.
You know, it's not even in you know, zombie death House,
but like, and he's young in this it's nineteen sixty seven,
I think, and so he's pretty young, but he has
got like all the energy, all the sas like I mean,

(17:33):
god damn, It's not the fucking sexiest thing I've ever
seen in my life. But yeah, I highly recommend it.
Plus bonus Henry Silva.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, yeah, well and Stuart Whitman. Speaking of Stuart Whitman,
one of my favorite Saxon roles is him in Shadows
in an Empty Room Alberto de Martinos and him and
Whitman play like cops together and they're just like a
perfect combo. Yeah, I love love that.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
This is the difficult thing for me with John Saxon
is that he always, not always a lot of times
plays cops. Yeah, and I fucking hate cops, but if
anyone is going to save me from the big bad,
I do want it to be John Saxon. So he's
played you know, obviously, he was a cop in Nightmark

(18:16):
and Elm Street and Part three, which you know, that
was my nightmarinon Elm Street. The original was my introduction
to John Saxon.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Same that was my introduction to Horror. So he Saxon's
been a part of my life and forever.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Yeah, since before like I started getting the tingles when
I saw him, and like, but like I grew up
with him and then I was like, oh, he's actually
like an amazing actor and he's really sexy, and I
think I didn't come into like Enter the Dragon, which
is I think what he's I know he's most well

(18:49):
known for Netmark Street, but I think a lot of
people know him really well for Enter the Dragon. I
didn't really see that until I think my late twenty
maybe even my early thirties.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Entered the Dragon. Yeah, same. I mean I think I
was in high school when I first watched it, but yeah,
I was for Horror John Saxon.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
Yeah, but I mean I rewatched that for this episode
because I like, I hadn't seen it since my one
watch initially, and I was very excited that because I'd
always seen lam chingying credit it and Enter the Dragon,
and I was like, oh, you know, I wonder if
he's like fighting or if he's what I spotted him.
He's just sitting on the sideline, But I'm glad I

(19:31):
spotted him. One of my favorite things that he's in
is Tanebray though, Oh absolutely you know, this is kind
of like a reunion of sorts with Anthe Yeah, Anthony Franciosa.
I mean, it's just seeing those two on screen and

(19:53):
I just I love it so much. And then I
think one of my other favorites that I've seen prior
to this was a Policio Tacchi movie, but it's called
Cross Shot from nineteen seventy six. Again, he is playing
a cop in it, as he does.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah. Another Yeah, Another one's Violent Naples Themberta Lindsay, which
is awesome. Yeah, the perfect double feature for primal Rage. Again,
another Lindsay Nightmare Beach Beach. Yeah, got Colledge Steele. Bob
is a Girl who Knew Too Much, which I love
that movie from nineteen sixty three with the young Saxon
he was in. Speaking of Poe Boy productions, he was

(20:33):
in the Fred Williamson directed movie The Big Score from
nineteen eighty three, Yeah, which is a fucking awesome cast.
Fred Williamson's obviously in his movie, John Saxon, Joe Spinell,
Bruce Glover, Richard Rowntree. I mean it just keeps going. Yeah,
And I personally love David Cronenberg's weird action car Chase
movie Fast Company.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
I just watched that for the first time, either this
year or last.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
It's him and will William Smith. I think, is it both?
I don't know. I'm not like a gearhead or anything
like that, but it's just like you get into they
they yeah, they're so they're so sold. They're selling their
characters so well that you kind of believe everything they're
saying as far as cars go, and I'm just like
into it. I'm like, this is this is really interesting?

Speaker 4 (21:16):
I mean, yes, but nothing puts me to sleep faster
than listening to some dude talk about his fucking car.
And even if it's John Saxon or William Smith. I'm sorry, like,
I don't care about your fucking horse power and your you.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Don't care about John Saxon's horse power.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
I don't, Okay, I know, I'm I feel that hurt
coming out. I'm sorry, but I just cars are cars
are meant to take you from point A to point
B if you even need to have one, like I don't.
I don't get what the fucking the room room like.

(21:56):
It's f one weekend here in Austin, which is the
it's an I can't imagine anything dumber than sitting in
bleachers in the hot sun. Yeah it's still hot in
October and Austin watching cars drive in a circle very loud. Yeah,
they're super loud. There's been fucking fighter jets flying over
my house and helicopters and helicopters.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, like bring in all the like the sex workers,
and it's like for all the rich people, and it's terrible,
like this week so much. I think the jets were
probably for the ut game.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
See I hate this weekend even more. Yeah, all the
things I hate.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
But yeah, anyways, yeah, sorry, so Fast Company. A lot
of people don't like it. I enjoy it, but yeah,
I think we can all agree it's worth watching a
movie with John Saxon's in it. Yeah, he's He's the
type of guy that's given it as all. It's going
to be entertaining at least the scene season, even if
it's just to look at him. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
I did have to. I did feel like I had
to get in at least one more new watch with him.
So besides the Journey to a Hanging, I did also
watch a TV movie that was written by Rod Serling
called The Doomsday Flight from nineteen sixty six, it's speed,
but an airplane. So there's a there's a bomb on
board that has an altitude sensitive trigger. So if the plane,

(23:16):
like once it gets up to a certain height, it triggered,
I guess, but if it drops below a certain altitude
then it explodes.

Speaker 7 (23:24):
Yea.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
So it's literally speed.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
So he should have like a co writing credit for speed,
because that's that's his he should.

Speaker 6 (23:31):
That's like.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
John Saxson plays an actor in it, so like he
arrives at the airport and all the girls are like
screaming and fawning all over him, and justifiably so. And
you know, he's a bit of an asshole though, like
he's you know, hitting on all the flight attendants or
stewardess is whatever they were called stewardess in the movie.
But it's okay. The movie's okay, Like it's just it's

(23:53):
very obvious where the bomb is, Like they don't even
I don't even think they try to hide it. But
then the fact that nobody finds it up to a
certain point is like you guys, like, weren't you haven't
you people in the movie been watching the movie anyway,
It's I wouldn't say it's not worth watching, but it's

(24:16):
I wouldn't I wouldn't rush out to see it by
any means.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Okay, well, yeah, I didn't get to watch any new
stuff like John Sackson, I think is one of my
most watched actors on Letterbox, but I didn't get a
chance to get any more in unfortunately. But I do
have someone them a watch list though. I do want
to watch the the Western one you were talking.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
About with I want to watch more episodes than that
because I do love Stuart Whitman, so.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
He's a regular on the show. Nice, Okay, so I'm
going to jump through a few other crew members here.
The music is composed this, I should say, the original
score is composed by Chuck Serino, and he did the
scores for pretty much every John Wernorski film. Say his
name we Norski right when Jim Jim Wenorski film.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
Sorry Will Will Dodson loves Jim Mirsky so.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Really yeah, Well, I do like Return to the Swamp
thing Chopping Mall. That's a score that Serena did, which
is an amazing score. Death Stalker two Munchie Okay, well
you have to experience. But he also did a ton
of fred Ol and Ray films, a lot of scores

(25:29):
like Alienator, Evil Tunes and Dinosaur Island, and then of
course the music in this film, which is Dad Kennedy's Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
The closing credits song Chemical Warfare.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
How that came about? I don't, I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
Sam didn't have an answer, No.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
He didn't. He didn't provide details on that.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
That's okay, Sam, Cam have all the answers, because then
I would be like Sam, actually.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
God, yeah, I didn't specifically ask.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Oh, I'm pretty sure probably has the answers.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, anybody listens, who's interesting, join our discord channel because
he answer will probably be posted by Sam. But yeah,
that was a trip to hear that at the end,
because it seemed it would seem weird to have like
jellobieof for be like, yeah, use my song, that was
my jell. Yeah, I'm sure we'll close out the episode

(26:17):
with that, okay. Cinematographer John V. Fonte, who, while he
doesn't really have any other impressive credits as DP, he
does have some credits and visual effects with some killer
movies like Toby Hooper's Life Force, James Cameron's The Abyss,
Ghostbusters two, and Ticks from nineteen ninety three. So this

(26:39):
guy's got some skills. And I already mentioned that Gary
Graver was the second unit DP. He directed Trick Retreats
and The Attic, starring Carrie Snodgrass. If you have you
seen this, it's like a horror. It's a horror, but
it's very dramatic. She plays Snowgrass plays this completely beaten
down woman and it's so depressing to watch. I watched it.

(27:01):
I watched it years ago for a potential pick. It's
still under a thousand. I'm pretty sure it's still under
a thousand views. But it's it's depressing, okay. Graver also
shot The Toolbox Murders and The Invasion of the Bee Girls.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
I love Toolbox Murders.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, it's good. And then the other crew members, they
pretty much don't have any other impressive other credits. They're
very This is a very like the producers, even the
writers kind of one and done type things. But it's
a cast that makes this thing very special. Yes, it's
the cast. Other than Saxon, and we've talked ari about,
you have Dennis Cole, who plays the Vietnam VET hero Derek.

(27:42):
He was in a few films like Siria Santiago's Wheels
of Fire, a movie called Pretty Smart in nineteen eighty seven,
which he starred. But he's more well known for his
career as a TV actor and a recurring role on
The Young and the Restless.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Of course, I was like, as soon as you said TV,
I was like, he must have been in a soap opera.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I didn't watch The Young and the Restless, but I'm
sure Dennis Cole he looks like I forgot. Yeah, he
looks like he'd be a great soap back.

Speaker 6 (28:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Fantasy Island. He was on a couple episodes of Murder,
she wrote, but he popped up in a lot of
the hit series in the nineties, including Silk Stockings, Baywatch,
Knights Dude. He was well known. Apparently it was also
a model at one point. But what was really interesting
when I was learning about Dennis Cole was at his son,

(28:31):
Joe Cole was one of Henry Rollins's best friends. He
was his roommate. He toured with Black Flag and Rollin's band.
He was a roadie, he sold merch and one night
when he and Rowlins were coming home from a concert,
it was a whole concert they watching Courtney Love's Whole Band.
They were held up at gun point outside of their

(28:53):
place that they were living together, and the robbers wanted
to get inside and steal their stuff, and Joe Cole
was shot in the face and killed instantly, and Rollins
was able to run away. He went through the house
out the back door and called the cops. And he's
talked about this and written about this incident quite a bit.
He has a spoken word piece called the Story of

(29:13):
Two Boys that I watched. You can find it on YouTube,
and it's very He starts off like kind of like
a fiction story, and then he starts instead of referring
to one of the characters, is he, he starts calling
he starts saying I, and then he starts referring to
Joe Hold like directly. It's very emotional, but yeah, Joe

(29:35):
Hole was thirty years old when he was shot and killed.
Sonic Youth wrote two songs about Joe Cole one hundred
percent and JC on their nineteen ninety two Dirty album,
because they were all very close. That's my favorite, well,
actually Daydreamnation's my favorites on a Youth album, but Dirty's amazing.
Holes nineteen ninety four lived through. This album was dedicated
to Joe Cole. Yeah, there was even an Unsolved Mysteries

(29:58):
TV episode on the on Cole's murder. Oh shit, because
it's unsolved. He was never solved. But yeah, Rowin still
goes over this. He writes about it a lot. But
when Joe was murdered, actor Dennis Cole became an activist
who spoke out against violence on television and film. He
became a real estate broker, kind of changed his ways.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
But maybe you should speak out against the actual colism
the violence.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Well, you know, I'm sure he did, but I don't think. Yeah,
I didn't read anything if he was like in the
gun like you.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Know, I just sam but I was. I was. I
was in my head. I was thinking, oh, maybe that's
the dead Kennedy's connection because of Black Flag, and but
the year timing would not work out.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, this was in.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
I don't even remembers eighty eight, right.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah, this is in the nineties. This was this happened
in the nineties because he was thirty. Yeah, okay, so
that I think it was ninety two ninety one ish
when he was shot and killed.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
I mean maybe, because then if he was thirty when
he died. He was in his mid His son was JC,
was in his mid twenties. So maybe Dennis Cole was like,
maybe the sun came on set at one point. Maybe
Jille the offer was on set.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, I mean I don't know. I mean yeah, his
son j C was friends with Black Frog. Yeah, there
could have been a connection.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Maybe that's the only Yeah, interesting, that's the only line
I can see from Zombie Death House to Dead Kennedy's.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
But anyway, Yeah, Dennis Cole ended up passing away at
age sixty nine. Okay, that's terrible. Okay, so let's go
to I gotta say it French, right, Anthony Franchios, Francios
Francios Franchios. He plays the the wonderful kisser Vic Moretti, open.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
Mouthed, tongue, Lance's favorite.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
He is going for it. He is such a fantastic That's.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Love seeing those kind of that kind of kissing on screen.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah. Obviously, he played the American author Peter Neil and Tinebray,
and he's in Across one hundred and ten Street five
star banger in my opinion. Yes, he stars in nineteen
fifty Seven's a Face in the crowd. Andy Griffiths's best
role that.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Yeah, I really enjoyed that movie, but I will never
watch it again.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, because of politics today. Yeah, it's so relevant, right
is that why that?

Speaker 4 (32:35):
But also his character is so grating. Yeah, I'm just like,
I can't. I don't want to watch this again. Yeah,
I don't need that in my I don't need that. No,
I'm good, I'm glad I watched it, but I will
never watch it again.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
I saw that as there's a double feature at the
Paramount with Network.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
And that was That was a fun but long night.
And friend Chielso was also in my This could be
this could upset some people, but my least favorite Death
Wish film Death Wish two.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
I don't think that. I think a lot of people
have share that opinion.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
But then we have Toddy McClure. She plays Tanya Carrington.
She's the journalist slash biochemist and she's had a lot
of small film roles. She plays Reese Witherspoons's mother in
the Legally Blonde movies. That's kind of her big roles.
She was in Death Spa, which is fucking cool to say. Yeah,
and she has a part and cross space with Klaskinski.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
Yeah, I mean she's believable as a journalist, but.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
She doesn't do much.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yeah, I'm she's not very believable as a biochemist. You know,
like when that new Predator movie came out in fucking
Olivia Munn was a scientist, and I was like, get
the fuck out of that. Okay, Well, I'll see every
Predator movie because I can't help myself. But it's like
every Shark movie, I'll watch it. I can't. It's like,

(33:55):
you know, Sam with the Amiti Belt movies.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Well, what I find interesting about Tony McClure who she
was a popular singer in the early eighties, going by
Tawny Kine and the Triangles.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
That sounds too much like Tawny Katane. I can't. I
can't deal with that.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Well, her husband at the time was I think his
name was. His last name was Kane. I don't know
what his first name was.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Well, she shouldn't have taken it.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Well, well, I'll write her and tell her that. But
she she was This really fucking blew my mind when
I was looking this up. She had some songs on soundtracks,
including Armed and Dangerous from nineteen eighty two, the movie
I watched with Lee Van Cleef and David Carrody vir
Juane's Plitation like the most random movie that I'd never

(34:36):
heard of before. She sings on the soundtrack, and then
she also sings a couple songs on the Terminator soundtrack.
There's like three songs apparently that she sings. I looked
him up, I listened to him. I was like, I
could put this as a closing song with her A
little long.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
Okay, they're good their eighties or very eighties, said Kennedy's
a better choice.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
It'll be dead Kennedy. Yeah. O, there's no fucking question. Okay,
Superfly himself. Priest Ron O'Neil makes an appearance in Zombie
Death House. Yes. Then we have Michael Pataki, who plays
Frankie Moretti, Vic Moretti's gay brother in prison. Yeah, and
the Moretti steal the show again. He's another great actor.

(35:20):
I had watched Pink Angels from nineteen seventy one for
the Eye for an Eye episode with Tom Basham. Yeah. Yeah,
and Pataki plays a biker in that. I love that movie.
It's really fucking good. But yeah, it's this movie. You
know you have John Saxon. But it's kind of the
Anthony Fronciac Franciosa and Michael Pataki show.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
They're so good, they are I They they keep me,
they keep me grounded in this movie because the editing
certainly does not.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Let's let's get into it. That's all. Do you have
anybody else you want to talk on about in the cast?

Speaker 4 (35:59):
No? I I do love Michael Pattack. I think two
of my favorite things he's in are Graduations Day in
dun Bury. But like, yeah, no, the movie. I've watched
this before and I was like, all right, this is
a mess, but you know, I'm not gonna be mad

(36:19):
at it because it's John Saxon. It's just physically impossible
for me. But then I'm rewatching it and I'm like, Okay,
I had my like cherry broken with John Saxon directed
movie already, so I'm watching this like a little bit
more objectively this time.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Good lord. The fucking first five minutes opening credits, there's
millions of fucking things happening while the credits are still rolling,
like establishing things, voiceovers.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Just what yeah, from the get go you have it's
five minutes of credits. Yeah, I looked at the fucking
run time and it's a Vietnam vet getting a job
as a gangster show for he ends up having an affair.
He meets his old Vietnam buddy that has nothing to
do with anything. He just pops up at a hotel

(37:08):
and then he has flashbacks of the war, which why
is he a Vietnam that? Like what, what's his purpose
is that? Because like you can take charge and that's
why the inmates follow it, like there's no real reason
he's a Vietnam vette.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Really right, I feel like they're they're trying to have
it be some kind of like nonsploitation. Yeah, but they
that it never succeeds as that at all, Like this
is not a nonpl Cannibal Apocalypse is a nonsploit, Yes movie,
this is not.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, this seems like it that And and reading that
excerpt from Fred oll and Ray's book, it seems like
they just shifted gears a lot. They're like, let's let's
do this. Let's make it more mobster, let's make it
more you know, more zombie.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Yeah, Like there's there's a couple of decent movies in
there somewhere, but mashed altogether like this. I think the
editor was like fred Roth or something. Do you hear me,
fred Roth? I understand you didn't have very much to
work with, but there's just like basic editing shit that
like normally I am not like super in tune with

(38:13):
like the very technical aspects, but like when something is
such a mess like this and it just jumps from
one thing that in the next, that doesn't make any sense.
There's no transition.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
What yeah, it does. The editing doesn't do this movie
any favors whatsoever. It's it's some of the wildest setting
and I've seen yeah, and I think when I first
watched it, you know, a year or so ago, I
was like, what the fuck?

Speaker 6 (38:37):
Yeah is this?

Speaker 2 (38:38):
It's montage scenes and just strange. Yeah, for the first
half hour it's pretty much an action crime thriller, and
then it kind of goes off the rails.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
Well it takes. The problem too, is that it takes
just under twenty minutes to set up Derek going to jail.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
I love whether there's a scene too or it's like
he's just sitting there and it says months later, Yeah,
like it just pops up on the bottom, like yeah,
who cares nobody cares.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Nobody cares about the jewelry fencing scene, honestly. Okay, so
the movie is what hour thirty six? Right, Yes, this
could have been an easy like our twenty five, maybe
even shorter. But yeah, the opening, it's like, our main
goal is to get Derek into prison. Why is it
taking twenty minutes to get Derek into prison? Because we

(39:27):
have a bunch of chaotic editing that doesn't make any sense.
We have scenes that don't belong and don't make any sense,
and we're not even in this extra time that we've
added to it effectively setting up anybody to care. I
don't give a fuck about anybody in.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
This They're not. Yeah, during the first half hour they're not. Really.
There are weird edited cuts of like John Saxon like
talk into the ward and like you know, but they're
not establishing anything that's going on really with the virus.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Again, like it's more like like like a mobster movie,
like you know, the jewelry and it has nothing to
do with anything. And I do have to say, the
best line, my favorite line of the movie, does happen
about thirty minutes after all of that wasted time, when
the chaplain is he's kind of telling the first test subject.
So there is a test subject that he's injected, and

(40:16):
he starts getting sick, and there's a chaplain that has
his hand on his head and he's kind of saying,
you know, like you're gonna be all right, and he
picks his hand up off the forehead, which kind of
tears the flesh off of the forehead, and the inmate
he kind of screams in this moths boring, emotionless. He's like, oh,
and then immediately cuts to a table of inmates playing

(40:38):
cards and one of them just says, this is getting
fucking weird, man, and it cuts from that scene too,
and I was like, yes, that's exactly what I said. Jinks, motherfucker.
It's one of the best lines. And it's like it
happens at the perfect moment. And I have to say
if fred Roth intentionally did that, because he was like,

(40:59):
I have no fucking clue what I'm doing.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
This movie's meta that's self aware, that knows it doesn't
know there. I did have a few things, aside from
the chaotic editing, that did surprise me and delight me
a little bit. There is a dummy fling in here
towards the end when like you know, everyone's broken out
and one guy like lifts up one person and he

(41:22):
just like flings him down the jail cell hallway. It's
clearly a dummy not a dummy drop. So nobody reach
out to Matt about that. It's just dummy fling. It
is a surprise Christmas movie.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
I don't think it is a Christmas movie.

Speaker 8 (41:35):
You don't see this.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
On very many Christmas horror movie lists because only five
hundred people have watched it.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
But yeah, this could be added to Christmas because they
do bring it up and there's a lot of decorations.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
Yeah, I mean it's not Christmas centric, you know, it's
not Black Christmas or Silent and Dad Lena or anything
like that. But I feel like if it takes place
during Christmas, we can count it. There's you know a
lot of the gore, especially when we get to the
very end, is fun. I do think the Jamaican has
some of the good, like some of the better stuff
before he gets killed, Like he pulls off an arm

(42:07):
and decapitates a soldier who's trying to escape the prison.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
So yeah, when he's in the electric chair too, and
he kind of lifts off the little thing on his
head and his head starts bleeding. That looks great too.
The special effects are okay.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
Yeah they're no, they're not great, but yeah they're they're
they're very they're very.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Okay, Yeah, they're fun to watch.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
And then my favorite line, which this would be me
as a zombie is when like the Little the Sun,
the little boy is like running to try to show
them where escape.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Yeah, so and he ends up in like some random
room and there's a zombie in there, and the zombie
picks up a meat cleaver and says, don't touch my twinkies.
That's me as a zombie. I don't want your brains.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
That is like a it's got to be like a
crazy fat ethel like homage, like it's it's criminally insane something.
That's what I got from it. But yeah, don't touch
my keys.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
I had a few, because it is kind of it's
poorly scripted. The dialogue's funny, there's some weird there's very
humorous kind of one liners, and I had a few.
I did, like this A is getting fucking weird, man.
That was That's the best line of the movie because
it sums it up. But the warden, or it's not
the warden, he's like the head guard, and he talks

(43:21):
to like the dreaded guy Adams I think is his name,
But he says, save your spit, you're gonna need it
in hell. What does that mean?

Speaker 4 (43:30):
Are you giving blowjobs to the devil?

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah? I mean something's going on.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
With somebody thought that was a very clever line.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
He's spit at the guard and then he's like, save
your spit, you're gonna need it in hell, maybe to
put out fires. I don't get it.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
I don't either.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
And he also says go beat your meat till I'm
ready for you, which I like that one. And then
one of one of the inmates who's getting ready or
hopeful that he's gonna escape, he says, you know, the
first thing I'm gonna do when I get out of here,
I'm gonna make Maria pregnant.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
You fellas, you know, you can just make people pregnant.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
That's the way it is, that's how it works. The
stork makes it. Yeah, I just I love the fucking
poorly written dialogue. But it's the Moretti's. The Moretti brothers,
Vic and Franco are who steal the show from me.
I want a spin off of how Franco got into
prison and how Vic handled it and Vic's rise to

(44:29):
his mobster days, Like those are interesting characters.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Get it. Yeah, get the zombie Death House prequel. And
then we get like the origins, like when they were
testing it before the movie. Like so we get like
that's the side plot. Like we're not getting to all
that yet. We're focused on the Morettis because they're the
stars of the show here, right, but we do need
to establish, you know, setting up this whole like super
soldier sort of thing. Let's show a few more like

(44:56):
you know, failed experiments or something for a little bit
of gore. But for the most part, Yeah, let's make
it a mobster movie. Let's focus on their relationship.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Let's throw in just the perfect set of coincidences, like
the warden's family, Let's have them in the prison as well.
Thank god, you know, Vic Moretti's brother just happens to
be in the prison with Derek. Like there's there's so
many perfect set of coincidence. The journalist happens to be
a biochemist, Like, yeah, I think that's why she was invited,
but yeah, again, I keep it. It feels like Fred

(45:25):
Williamson attempted to make a horror movie and zombie death
House is where it's at because he would cast John
Saxon in this role. He would like, the whole cast
feels like something from night Vision or but he.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Would have cast himself, So then that would have he
would have been Derek Cole.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Yeah, yeah, Derek was his character.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
Yeah, but yeah, he yeah, he would have cast himself
in that lead. And there definitely would have been a
sex scene between him and the biochemist if he had
directed it though, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
And then she would have been like after they have sex,
she would have been like, Okay, I have the vaccine.
He's all, fuck it, let's get out of here.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
He's like, baby, I just gave you the vaccine.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Okay. Best line in the episode goes Dereka. Yeah, so
there's I mean, I don't real this movie's all over
the place. It's it's all about the cast because the
plot is a mess. There's so many subplots. It does
seem like it came together in editing and even after production,

(46:31):
where they brought in different people to shoot different scenes.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
Yeah, I don't I don't think that we can really
make a case for Like, we're not here to try
to convince anyone then this is a good movie. We
are here to champion an underseen horror movie and highlight
what's good about it, because you know, I'm not gonna
say every movie has that, but this has enough in

(46:55):
it to make it an interesting watch experience at the
very least.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
I think if you go, yeah, if you give it
a chance, it will have something that will entertain you. Yeah,
like it has has a little bit of everything. You know,
it pulls from every genre for sure. Yeah, I think
the editing is atrocious, but it's it's difficult to follow
any cohesive plot. But again, I think it's the characters. Yes,
they're completely dialed in, and you do have the fact

(47:23):
that it's a John Saxon only directing credit.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Yeah, it's this little curio if you will, like it's
just this like, oh, John Saxon directed a movie. Let's
talk about it.

Speaker 6 (47:33):
Yes, let's just talk about John Saxon.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
I mean, I'm kind of surprised it isn't talked about.
More like, I'm surprised it doesn't have a release given
that John Saxon's name's tied to it.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
I wonder if it's a credit song writes issues, like
maybe maybe they didn't get permission and they just threw
that song on there, because not like John Saxon knows
what he's doing when it comes to directing. He's like,
we can just take this dead Kennedy's long, right.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Hey, I heard this song on the way here. I
thought it was cool. I think that on the YouTube
version too, just had it, didn't even have it in
the credits.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
It was just yeah, that'll get a flag, that'll get
a flag on YouTube. But yeah, it's I mean, yeah,
it's got the DVD release, so it's been released media.

Speaker 6 (48:18):
Yeah, but I don't know who knows, who knows.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
I'm sure, you know what, At the rate everything's getting released,
I'm sure this will come around eventually.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
I think so. Yeah, yeah, And I think more people
should see it. It's it's a fun mess. Yeah. Okay,
let's jump to double features. What would you pair with
zombie Death House?

Speaker 4 (48:40):
I struggled with this one a little bit, but I
think there's an obvious one for me at least, because
if you have one John Saxon movie, what's better than
that two? John Saxon movies of course, so like and
getting into you know, I know that Zombie Death House
does not succeed as a nom exploitation movie, but I

(49:01):
already mentioned Cannibal Apocalypse. You know you have a movie
about flesh eaters. Saxon. In that one plays Norman Hopper
last name is of play on Dennis Hopper, who was
recently an Apocalypse Now, thank you, Tim Lucas.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
So.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
He was a commander of battalions of soldiers in Vietnam,
one of whom was named Charlie Bukowski played by Giovanni
Lombardo Lombardo Ridici. He's captured and ended up a cannibal.
This new taste for flesh is transmittable through bites and
standard spreads throughout Atlanta. I love this movie dearly. I
think it would pair well with it. I'm actually still

(49:39):
on the fence right now between this and one other one.
So I'm actually gonna let you pick between my two.
I've never done this before, but so my other one
that I was thinking about also has an Apocalypse Now
element because the sort of leader acts like Kurtz does.
It's extremely gory. There's cock shots, there's dead kids, That's

(50:02):
another thing about this movie. There are so many opportunities
for dead kids in this movie, and we didn't pull
the trigger on that.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Yeah, even when I watched it the second time, I
was like, did I forget that a kid dies? Is?

Speaker 4 (50:10):
I thought the same thing too, and nope, they fucking survive.
And I was like, I fuck this, okay, And the
movie is an absolute assault on the senses because it
but it is told in a much more coherent way.
I just actually convinced myself, I think this is a
better the Dead Kids. Okay, Okay, Universal Soldier Day of

(50:30):
Reckoning from twenty twelve. I know it's but also we're
trying to build super soldiers, so we have the basis
for that as well. I was really surprised when I
first watched this movie. I was like, ohya, I'm gonna
watch a Universal Soldier movie for the book whatever. I
turned this on and like one of the first scenes
is like this like brothel and some dudes coming in

(50:54):
just fucking tearing shit up. People are getting just hacked
to fucking pieces blown away. This one guy comes out
of bed full cock shot and there he just fucking
pulls out a god. I'm like Oh my god, what
is this movie? It's chaos but it is uh, it's
a god? What times is it? John or Peter? I

(51:15):
always forget, but it's told in a much more coherent way.
John Claude van Dam is in it. Dolph Lundgren's in it.
John Claude van Dam plays the Kurtz character in it.
Scott Adkins is in it. Who I normally am not
a big fan. Do you know what times it is?

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Do? What does it say?

Speaker 4 (51:31):
What times it is?

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (51:32):
John or Peter? The director?

Speaker 2 (51:34):
John?

Speaker 4 (51:35):
Thank you? So yeah, I'm gonna go.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
So I know I said you picked between my two,
but I already.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, No, I select to Day of Reckoning. I've never
seen it.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
Okay, well you were like you just said dead Kids,
So just pick that one. It's more on brand for you.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Anyway, put two cock shots. I'm in.

Speaker 6 (51:51):
Let's do it.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
What about you?

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Okay? So I was thinking of picking a Poe Boys
production film since makes absolute sense, but you know it
gave me Fred since style making style filmmaking vibes. But
I'm going with another zombie outbreak film, a five star
banger and helped to help balance the faults in Zombie
Death House. I'm going to go with Dan O'Bannon's The
Return of Living Dead. Okay, it's a perfect zombie flick.

(52:16):
It has the you know, more or less the good
guys and bad guys teaming up to save themselves. But
in the end, as John Saxon says in Zombie Death
House quote, it's the only option scorched earth. Yeah, which
is kind of what I wanted in Zombie Death House.
But you do get you do get that in return,
you do get that. Yeah, So that's the ending I wanted,

(52:37):
So I would I would follow up Zombie Death House
with a perfect zombie film.

Speaker 6 (52:41):
It's got the punk connection to the other's the punks.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
There's great music.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Yeah, okay, I like it.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
All Right, are we ready for We're closing out October.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
We are closing out October. This is our last episode
of the month, which means our next episode will be
our recap episode for.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
I am behind. I got some movie watching to do,
and I'm excited to cram all this in before Halloween.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
I am I'm trying to watch more than just my
thirty one. I am watching some other stuff in there too.
There's a couple categories where I'm gonna talk about more
than one movie. I'm just saying, prepare yourself for a
long episode. What Erica, It's only a couple of categories.
It's fine, Okay, We're good anyway. So for those of

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you again or gives back, donate a dollar more per
horror movie to charity that you watch in October. You
can do it through our best Friend's Animal Society fundraiser
link in show notes or link in our link tree
on our profiles on Twitter and Instagram. A few people
have already donated, I think names escaping me. Someone told

(53:54):
me their dad donated to it, which is fucking awesome.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yeah, that's amazing people.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
I mean, and I know I mentioned last episode, but
we have a person who is matching donations this year,
so every little bit counts. I am really excited to
see where we end up this year. Keep the you
know shares coming in on Discord. I know, like Lances
in Germany for a week.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Yeah, he has an excuse, he has an excuse be
destroying me. But I am I got like twenty movies
to fucking watch it. I'm gonna be fucking busy, and
don't we we've done.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
We've gotten off to date on episodes. You got nothing
to do for the rest of the month but watch
movies and take a few notes on them. Yeah and uh,
because then after that we have my next pick.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
No Rules November.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
This is historically the hardest movie to pick of the
entire year. We love our rule for a reason because
you know, it keeps us like focused, It keeps us
like in puts barriers up for us when you take
the bear away. It makes it really hard. So I

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have a very like a little short side tangent here.
This decision has been a journey. I normally what I'll
do is like, I'll pull a bunch of movies off
of my shelf because I want to do one that
like I can listen to a commentary and has special features,
but it also needs to be available streaming, and so like,
I'll narrow the pile down based on, Okay, is this

(55:25):
available for listeners to watch all that? So I had
my initial pile of like twenty, and then I narrow
it down to about ten. And then I'm like, is
this too similar to anything else that we've covered, you know,
all these other things that I'm going through. I had
it narrowed down to two. This Week, right, Okay, and
then I had an epiphany. Oh, because I went to

(55:49):
Weird Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Okay, I know where this is going then.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
So I wasn't expect I was expecting a nineties weird
thriller when I went to Weird Wednesday and I saw
some names pop up in the credits, and I was like, huh,
that's weird Weird Wednesday. And this movie not only made
me laugh just because it is a great experience in

(56:15):
a theater, but you'll have fun with it too. But
my jaw dropped, and I cannot remember the last time
a movie had me react in such a way to it. Also,
Sam has not seen this movie.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Really, yes, or at least letter Box. I haven't seen
it either, Okay, so I'm pretty excited.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
I am excited for you to see this. I am
talking about Doppelganger from nineteen ninety three, starring Drew Barrymore
in her trashy thriller phase. In it, she plays Holly Gooding.
She is a young woman implicated in the murder of
her mother in New York and who believes that her
doppelganger is stalking her, so she moves to La and

(56:56):
she finds an apartment with this writer guy who I
read a review from Jake Escar on a letterbox who
said that also starring Paul Red's doppelganger, because that's who
this guy looks like anyway. So she moves in with
this writer, but it appears that her doppelganger has followed
her across the country. This movie also stars Dennis Christopher

(57:17):
from Fade to Black. Now, a movie really needs to
be something special for me to pick a nineties yeah
horror moviees for no rules November. I've got no bit.
I could have been like, I'm going to fucking pull
this sleazy ass nineteen seventies movie out. I'm picking the
nineties horror movie guys, So that should tell you something
about you know you're gonna be watching this and thinking, Okay, yeah,

(57:41):
this is a weird thriller with some gore, but what
the fuck? Just fucking trust me. Trust me. You'll know
the moment when my jaw hit the floor and I
decided we need to talk about this movie. Also, this
movie is clearly a Jallo because there's a black glove
killer and ohe I know I'm kidding, but anyway, not

(58:02):
that it matters, but it has forty two hundred views
on Letterbox. It is available to watch on Prime, to Be, Fubo,
a bunch of others. It's all over the place, you
guys can find it. I am really looking forward to
not only Lance, but some of our listeners watching it
and sharing their thoughts on it.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I am thrilled, be on thrill that you picked a
nineties horror.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
I don't know very much of goodness, I do as
much as like I do like the chance every now
and then to talk about, you know, a more well
known movie. I still we still want to like have
the unsung horror principle behind what we're picking and have

(58:47):
it be something underseen and so absolutely a lot of
stuff that was in my pile, I was like, yeah,
it's not talked about much, but yeah, I just I
think this one not only be much uch more understand
than some of the other stuff that I had narrowed
down my options to. I'm not going to share what
those were, maybe next year, but I just think this
one would be a lot of fun to talk about

(59:09):
because there's so much going on with it. So Doppelganger
nineteen ninety three, I hope you all enjoy this. This
one that is going to be the second episode of
November after Our Horror Gives Back, so you have plenty
of time to watch it.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Folks. Hell yeah, this is exciting.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
I'm glad you're excited, all right. If you're not already,
you can follow this podcast on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook
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Speaker 4 (59:45):
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