April 21, 2024 • 43 mins
Discover the incredible journey of Dr. Catherine Clinton, a guiding light in the realms of quantum biology and naturopathic medicine, who has traversed the path from sickness to vibrant wellbeing. This episode reveals how interconnected our emotions and immune systems truly are, with Dr. Clinton sharing her personal experiences and insights into the power of psychoneuroimmunology. She delves into the necessity of intertwining emotional health with physical remedies, urging us to blend scientific knowledge with spiritual understanding to achieve comprehensive care.
As we venture deeper, prepare to be astounded by the revelations of quantum biology and its potential to reshape our approach to health. Together with Dr. Clinton, we examine the limitations of traditional models and embrace the role of subatomic processes in life's symphony. Her enlightening conversation illuminates the enigmatic workings of seemingly 'junk' DNA and the energetic core of our cells, with a nod to the pioneering work of researchers like Martin Picard. We unravel the profound implications of our mental states on cellular vitality and the synchronicity required for a harmonious society.
Awaken to the transformative rituals of the morning that synchronize us with the cosmos, as we discuss grounding practices that can rejuvenate our health. Dr. Clinton illustrates the astounding benefits of aligning with the sun's cycles and cultivating gratitude. These simple, yet impactful actions can rewire hormonal balance, bolster our immune system, and foster emotional resilience. Join us for a holistic expedition that not only explores groundbreaking science but also offers practical wisdom for nurturing wellness throughout our lives.
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Dr. Michele Burklund (00:05):
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Explore the intersectionbetween science and spirituality
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(00:26):
I'm host, , licensednaturopathic doctor, botanical
alchemist and practicingphysician.
Hello everyone, thank you forjoining me today.
Today, we have Dr CatherineClinton with us.
I'm super excited that you'rehere.
So thank you so much, Catherine, and welcome.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (00:49):
Oh, thank you so much for having me on.
I'm so excited to talk with youtoday.
Dr. Michele Burklund (00:54):
Yeah, I think it's going to be a lot of
great information.
So I'm going to read a littlebit about your bio so everyone
can get to know you.
Who might not know you on thispodcast yet.
So Dr Catherine Clinton is aquantum biology health educator,
licensed naturopathic physicianand author.
She has a focus on gut health,autoimmunity and
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psychoneuroimmunology.
As a respected author, speakerand health advocate, dr
Catherine practices in Eugene,oregon.
When, in medical school, drCatherine was diagnosed with and
healed from an autoimmunedisease that affects the
gastrointestinal tract, leavingher with a passion to prevent
autoimmunity in peopleeverywhere.
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Dr Catherine addresses thepsychoneuroimmune system and gut
health of children, adults andfamilies through a deeper
connection with the world aroundus.
Dr Catherine is passionateabout the connections we have
with the world around us and howthese connections can
regenerate our health and thehealth of the planet.
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She sees an urgent need forhealing our internal terrain as
well as healing the terrain ofthe world we live in.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (02:09):
So welcome.
Dr. Michele Burklund (02:12):
Yeah, and that is a powerful statement
that I'm sure we're going to getinto a little more, but first I
want to kind of hear your story.
So tell me a little bit moreabout you know how you found
naturopathic medicine, whathappened when you were in
medical school, and what kind ofled you on this path that
you're on today?
Yeah, absolutely.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (02:35):
So actually I assisted with a
traditional midwife from Mexicofor six or seven years and I
knew pretty much like by thethird birth I was like this is
amazing.
Natural medicine is amazing.
I can't be a midwife.
They are just cut from adifferent beautiful cloth.
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I just need that off sign.
I need to be able to switchthat off sign.
And midwives are incredible intheir dedication to all those
mamas and babies out there.
But for me it was more of aparadigm shifting experience and
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from there that's when Idecided, okay, I can do
naturopathic medical school, Ican help people this way and
also close the office at night.
And so I went on in myundergrad I was.
I got my degree in philosophyand I avoided everything science
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like the plague.
So I had to go back and startall my pre-med stuff math 95, do
all my college level physiology, anatomy, organic chem, all
that stuff.
So that took me a couple ofyears and then I went to
naturopathic medical school inPortland and it was my second
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year of medical school there andI got really sick.
It was that initiation yearwhere you have to sign in at
seven.
If you don't sign in by seven,you don't pass that class and
you can take it the next year.
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And so that was like theproverbial straw that broke the
camel's back and it was just toomuch.
I didn't have the foundation tohandle that amount of stress
and I was diagnosed withulcerative colitis, which
affects the GI tract, andautoimmune condition, another
autoimmune condition, hashimotothyroiditis, which affects the
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thyroid gland, and Lyme diseaseand GI parasite.
I mean, the list went on and on.
It was sort of that dominoeffect when your health just
kind of spirals out of control,and I was in a great place to
put the physical pieces backtogether and go from that
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debilitated, really sick statewhere you can't participate in
life, to being able to be aproductive member and I was able
to go back to school and seepatients in the clinic.
But there was a huge piece ofvitality that was missing from
my life and that's when I reallystarted getting interested in
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researching and practicingquantum biology and quantum
biological perspective tohealing.
Dr. Michele Burklund (05:47):
Yeah, and I think that's that was
definitely a missing componentin naturopathic medicine school
too is tying in the emotions toeverything, and to me I mean I
am a hundred percent inalignment with you and how
important that is for healing ingeneral too, and how all of
that really needs to be together.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (06:04):
Yeah, absolutely.
Dr. Michele Burklund (06:07):
Can you tell us, um, like a little more
about the field ofpsychoneuroimmunology and and
really what that means, Cause Ithink some people might be a
little confused, or maybethey've never even heard that
word for the first time before?
Dr. Catherine Clinton (06:23):
Yeah, absolutely.
Psychoneuroimmunology what amouthful right that's just.
It's just a huge word todescribe how our thoughts and
emotions impact our biology andour immune system.
And they have a huge impact.
They are intimately tied withour hormonal state, our
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inflammatory state, our immunesystem balance or imbalance.
And so it was during that timewhen I was really sick that my
physician and she was also thephysician that I was doing
rotations with at the clinic shekind of pushed me to look at
psychoneuroimmunology and I wasdoing rotations with at the
clinic.
She kind of pushed me to lookat psychoneuroimmunology and I
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was like, oh, I don't, we cantalk about that patient or we
could talk about that patient,but I don't want to talk about
me, like don't you have anotherherb or a different intervention
.
But of course she was right andof course our thoughts have an
enormous impact on ourbiological function and just
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across the board there is apredictable influence that
certain emotions have on howinflamed we are and inflammation
is kind of that backboneindicator of symptoms and
disease state right.
When we're really inflamed,those symptoms start to pop up,
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disease onset ensues.
So we see that all the time inclinic and our thoughts have an
immense impact on that andthat's something that's really
not being addressed inmainstream medicine.
I remember when my dad had aheart attack, trying to get the
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cardiologist to say like doesn'tmental, emotional stress impact
heart, and he was like no, no,no.
And it was like oh my gosh,please, how can we be saying
this?
I mean, you know, just fromcommon sense, when we get
stressed, our blood pressuregoes up.
So the idea that the energeticimprint of a thought or an
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emotion can impact our biologyis paradigm shifting in a
medical system that looks atonly this chemical, mechanical
model.
And, of course,psychoimmunology doesn't negate
the chemical model.
It just says there's somethingelse at play.
There's something else weshould be looking at too,
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something else in our toolkit,and I think as doctors we can
both agree that once we widenthat toolkit, the better health
that we can help our patientswith, that our immunities can
have, that our world can haveoverall.
Dr. Michele Burklund (09:24):
Right, and I mean and your proof of that
too with the autoimmune issuesthat you were diagnosed with,
which were pretty serious, andbeing able to overcome them and
having this component andworking through it, I think
that's super powerful and thatsays a lot, too, just in your
own work.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (09:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think that you know the
work of psychoneuroimmunology.
When we and the idea of heartcoherence and emotional
regulation, it can be reallydaunting for someone who's sick
to hear that.
For me it was.
It was like, oh my goodness,you mean, my thoughts are
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impacting my health state andI'm having a hard time
regulating them, and they're notalways that positive.
So this isn't looking good,right, it was just this spiral,
and I think for us to rememberthat, as humans, we're meant to
feel fear, frustration, grief,anger.
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We're meant to feel all thosethings.
It's when we get stuck in thosepatterns that this chronic
inflammation, these diseasestates, can become associated
with those emotional states.
So it's not that one thought orthat continuation of the
thought.
We have to remember that we canforge a new path.
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I mean neuroplasticity.
The ability for our brains tocreate new pathways is always
there, and so anyone listeningout there who might be feeling
like, oh, this is a lot, that'sexactly how I felt.
I did not want to look at it,and once I did, I started to
realize that there's space forall these emotions and they're
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healthy, they're guiding us aswell, as long as we don't stay
there, as long as we don't judgethem right, as long as we just
recognize that's an emotion andI'm having it and I'm making
space for it, and then it can goon its merry way, right.
It's the friction of judgmentand blame or shame or guilt, of
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having that emotion that reallyinterferes with us getting back
to that state of gratitude andsense of awe or joy or love from
our place in the world aroundus.
Dr. Michele Burklund (11:53):
Definitely yeah.
I think.
I think some people couldmisinterpret yeah that as saying
like oh no, I caused this, youknow, and then having guilt and
shame versus saying I takeresponsibility, you know, and
then having guilt and shameversus saying I take
responsibility which is moreempowering, and then going to
that effort to change thethoughts, rather than holding
that and and blaming yourselfand in that cycle for sure.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (12:18):
Yeah, absolutely.
And oftentimes, when we look atthose emotions, we realize
those patterns have been theresince we were very young and
instilled by other authorityfigures right, and so that blame
really doesn't rest on ourshoulders.
We can even sometimes look backgenerationally and see, like
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that cortisol response, thatresponse to stress, is handed
down generationally.
So, you know, some of us comeinto this life with a blueprint
to be more vulnerable to thosekind of emotional reactions and
patterns and just recognizingthat holds such power, that hold
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such power that, oh wow, thisis something that isn't
necessarily a product of myeveryday life.
It was handed down or somethingthat I picked up early on and I
can.
I can till the garden and growsomething new, right.
Dr. Michele Burklund (13:23):
Definitely , and I think I think kind of
the hardest part for that isfinding the best ways to do that
, to remove those limitingbeliefs and take that route.
But just acknowledging them orbeing able to see them, I think
is a huge stride to yeah, yeah,so tell me a little bit more
about quantum biology, how youkind of blended all these
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different things together andkind of what that means too.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (13:53):
Yeah, absolutely A lot of us have
heard of quantum physics, a lotof us have heard of biology, but
not many of us have heard ofquantum biology.
And really what it is is thestudy of quantum phenomenon in a
living system, in a body, in ahuman body, and basically,
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simply put, what that means islooking at the subatomic action
in the body and how thatsometimes gives rise to what we
see on our lab work or oursymptoms or disease states.
Like I've mentioned before,dominant paradigm is so
chemically driven, somechanically driven.
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We have trillions and trillionsof cells in the body and each
one of these cells is completinghundreds of thousands of tasks
each second and mathematicallythat is impossible with this
idea of random collision or theallosteric model, where you have
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these biological keys bumpingaround in a cell trying to find
their receptor until theyrandomly find it.
Hundreds and thousands of taskseach second is just
mathematically impossible withthis random collision model.
And you know, we see that allthe time right?
Oh, that's junk dna or you knowsomething we don't understand.
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We just say, oh that, oh,that's random, that's junk,
that's not a big deal.
And later we find out oh no,there's this beautiful subatomic
quantum action guiding what wesee on a chemical level, right,
what we see on a mechanicallevel.
And it's just such a beautifulstep for science to take to sort
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of embrace this invisibleblueprint of the flow of
electrons in the body, orprotons or photons of light or
phonons from sound, or how thefrequency of an emotion can
impact cellular life.
And that's what quantum biologyis.
It's looking at the impact ofall those really small pieces in
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the body and how they give riseto biological function.
And it was in that state of metrying to get better when I came
across an article, a researcharticle by a researcher named
Martin Picard and he is stilldoing incredible research to
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this day on mitochondria.
And mitochondria are thoselittle jelly bean shaped
organelles in a cell that createenergy.
They create ATP and that's theenergy currency of our body.
They create ATP and that's theenergy currency of our body.
And so when we have a dip inATP, there's symptoms, disease
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state.
We really, really want tomaintain that ATP production,
that energy production in thebody was talking about in this
research articles.
He was showing that our mentalstate impacts the energy
production in a mitochondria.
And at the same time there wasother quantum biological
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research happening at UCBerkeley showing how quantum
phenomenon are leading tophotosynthesis, and all of it At
the same time I was like, oh mygoodness, there is this unseen
force happening, just like wealways kind of thought, right,
like ancient indigenous culturesalways talked about.
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It was always part of ourmedicine until the scientific
revolution.
And everything has to be provenunder a microscope and
validated, which is important.
We need that.
We need some level of scrutinyand consensus in science.
But the beautiful thing aboutquantum biology is it's starting
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to pull back in and validatesome of those things that were
cast away in the scientificrevolution.
This idea of energy,electricity, sound, light having
such an impact on our biologyis now being validated and it's
such a fascinating subject andemerging field.
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I just can't get enough of it.
Dr. Michele Burklund (18:25):
Yeah, I know it's such an exciting time
and it's so awesome that there'sso many different studies
happening right now finallyassociating that, and it is it's
like common sense in so manyways.
But yeah, our medical model hasgone so far to separate the
body into pieces that it kind ofremoved that completely for so
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long that we have to come backand and then see how powerful
the data is too.
I mean, I know that, um, stressis literally associated with
pretty much every chronicdisease in America, but we still
have to prove that emotionsaffect the body in these
different ways.
But yeah, I think I thinkthat's the perfect field and
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that's exactly kind of where weneed to be right now too.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (19:16):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
I'm loving the research outabout coherence and quantum
coherence and the idea, you know, coherence is just two or more
things working at the samevibration, like you walk into a
piano shop and strike the Cchord and all the other C keys
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in the piano shop start to ringthat same tune and that idea
that we can have coherence inour body but we can have
coherence if we are coherent.
We can have coherence in groupsand communities.
I mean, it's just such a abeautiful and really timely
science.
Right, we need that right now,in this global society that we
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have, where we are inundatedwith all this information around
the globe and all these thingshappening that can sow real
division, to really focus onthis idea that we can create
this coherence and this abilityto work through these things is
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really, really incredible, and Ithink it's the perfect time for
this science to be emerging.
Dr. Michele Burklund (20:34):
Yeah, 100% on that, especially everything
that's going on in our lives toreally bring us back.
And I have another question foryou, kind of on that, where
you've mentioned a little bitabout liquid crystal technology.
I heard that in one of yourlectures or something I was
listening to, and when you werespeaking about how DNA is a
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liquid crystalline structure, aswell as our mitochondria and
our fascia, and so can youdescribe this in further detail
and how this can affect ourhealth, cause we're kind of on
the same subject here witheverything?
Dr. Catherine Clinton (21:13):
Yeah, absolutely, it's fascinating.
You know, when I say liquidcrystal, people are like, oh,
there, she goes off to like thenew age gem store or something
right.
But we're really familiaractually with liquid crystal
technology.
Like, the reason I can see yourbeautiful face right now and we
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can have this conversation isbecause our screens computer TV,
smartphone screens have liquidcrystal technology and that just
means that the screen is amesophase between a liquid and a
crystal.
It can act as both, and all themolecules are aligned in a
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certain fashion.
They're organized as acollective, and when I send an
electrical impulse into thatliquid crystal, I send an
electrical impulse into thatliquid crystal.
Those molecules shift, andright behind that liquid crystal
screen is a bunch of light, andso when those molecules shift
direction, they let in adifferent amount of light and
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that's how we get thesebeautiful pictures right.
Well, the same kind of thing ishappening in our body.
We have liquid crystalstructures in our body, our
fascia, our cell membranes, ourDNA.
These things are acting asreceivers for electrical
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impulses, for electricalimpulses.
And again, this brings us backto a level that goes beyond that
chemical model.
It doesn't negate it right, itdoesn't say it doesn't exist.
It says there's something elseout there, that we are
communicating with frequencyinformation, with electrical
information, and we know this tobe true.
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We know that electromagneticfrequencies help guide cell
behavior.
They help guide cell migrationand movement throughout the body
.
They help guide differentiationof like.
How does a cell become an earright?
We're starting to understandthat it isn't all seen
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underneath the microscope, thatsome of these electrical
magnetic impulses are guidinglife.
And how is that possible?
Because some things in our bodycan receive those messages
right.
They can receive that like aantenna, like a radio antenna
would, and if that's not mindblowing, I don't know what is.
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It's just astonishing to methat our body is acting on that
way, because I've been trainedin school and in medical school
that it's a chemical.
It's a chemical or it's arandom event of a key finding a
receptor lock that allows forthis beautiful miracle of life.
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And now we're finding that thatdoes happen.
But there's also this sea ofquantum action guiding life as
well, and that to me is veryexciting and that to me is very
exciting, yeah, and it seemsvery similar.
Dr. Michele Burklund (24:36):
We had Dr Pollack talk about easy water
and everything and how the cellwould align differently, if you
know, regular water versus easywater, and it sounds, yeah, very
similar in the same realm.
Um to that that you know it'snot random and it's not by
mistake, but everything has adeeper intelligence to it, for
sure oh, absolutely, and allthose things I mentioned.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (24:56):
um, I try to keep it really simple and
not go crazy on people, but Iall those things I mentioned
fascia, cell membranes, dna, allthose things, mitochondria they
are covered by that structuredwater that Pollock discovered,
right, the professor Pollock,gerald Pollock discovered, and
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so you've got this structuredwater that's also acting as a
liquid crystal.
Right, we could call itcrystalline water as well.
It's organized, it responds tothis energy information and
realigns.
It's absolutely incredible tostart looking at the body at
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that way, acknowledging that andtending to it.
Dr. Michele Burklund (25:45):
Right, and yeah, I guess it's just.
It's understanding how muchintelligence we have and how
much we don't understand andcan't be explained.
But we're learning like thelike, the beauty and how amazing
it really is in the body andthat innate intelligence
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Absolutely.
Can you tell us a little bitabout quantum entanglement and
how we have this interaction inour bodies on easy to understand
scales?
Dr. Catherine Clinton (26:19):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Quantum entanglement is justthe idea that two particles that
were created together, spenttime together, have an
inseparable bond, even ifthey're far away from each other
, and one state of a moleculewill inform the state of the
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other molecule, right?
So if I know what's happeningin this molecule over here, even
if the entangled molecule isfar away, I know what's
happening in it instantaneously,just because of what's
happening here, because they'reentangled, because they are
still connected, and we see thishappening in our mitochondria,
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we see this happening inresearch with protons in the
neurons of our brain.
So we're starting to understand.
And why do we care about that?
Isn't it just this random thingthat doesn't matter?
No, it seems to be a way tocommunicate information in the
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body and from the world aroundus, right?
So this idea of entanglement,right?
So this idea of entanglement, um, is what quantum biologists
think allows birds to migrateover long distances.
Right, these birds don't have aroadmap, they don't have gps,
some of them have never done itbefore, and the reason they're
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able to do this without aphysical guide is because
researchers postulate it'sbecause there is a quantum
entanglement happening in theireyes from the magnetic field of
the earth.
And so there is thiscommunication happening that's
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instantly relayed between themagnetic field of the earth and
the brains of these birds.
And it's just absolutelyphenomenal to think that these
processes we've always kind ofsaid, well, yes, they're almost
100% efficient.
Yes, we have no machines thatcan do this that efficiently.
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But it's just kind of random,it just sort of just happens
right.
It's like, well, that's astrange explanation, but we'll
just go with it.
And that's what we've beendoing.
We've just been going with it.
And now we start to understandoh there's an information
encoding happening at a verysmall, small level of the
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subatomic level of an electron,a photon, a proton, that allows
for this information transferand allows for it to happen
almost instantaneously.
And it is really small and it isreally fast, but it's enough.
It's enough to guide thisinformation.
And to me that's reallyexciting because it leads us to
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an era of medicine that isn'tjust chemical, that we have
other options because we knowthe chemical model only gets us
so far and for some people justplainly doesn't work.
And it also speaks to thisinterconnection that we have
with the world around us, whereI don't end at the barriers of
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my skin.
I'm connected with the dirtbeneath my feet, with the rising
and setting of the sun, withthe seasonal patterns, with all
of those things.
And for me personally thatbrings a great depth of safety,
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a feeling of belonging, like, ohokay, that's what I'm doing
here.
So for me it also brings just abeautiful sense of where I'm
supposed to be and what I'msupposed to be doing in this
world.
Dr. Michele Burklund (30:33):
Right, and I think even something as
simple as going barefoot on theearth or something and grounding
yourself, you can be in thatfield and fill it even in that
sense Absolutely.
And can you tell us more abouthow light and sound and water,
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how they all kind of interplayto affect us and to affect our
bodies too?
Dr. Catherine Clinton (31:08):
Sure, absolutely.
I mean, we could do like a weekseries about this, right?
I know, I know about this,right, I know, I know.
But everybody should definitelygo back and listen to your
episode with Professor GeraldPollack, right, so that they
understand that thesehydrophilic surfaces in us that
means water loving create thisdifferent.
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It allows water to come up tothe surface of a cell, that cell
membrane or the surface offascia, fascial tube, or the
mitochondria or DNA.
It allows, as that water comesup to the surface, it
reorganizes in structure.
It becomes structurallydifferent than the regular bulk
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water in our body and, like wesaid, it becomes liquid crystal
in nature.
It's able to capture light inthe infrared spectrum,
especially in the sun is ourbiggest source of infrared
energy in our solar system.
It is able to capture light inthat spectrum.
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It's able to capture sound.
So the field of cymatics is howdifferent frequencies of sound
each have their own, createtheir own cymatic pattern in
water and these are beautifulpatterns.
They look like mandalas, right,and Hans Jennings was sort of
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the pioneer of cymatics.
John Stewart Reed has continuedand expanded that research
tremendously, showing that waterstructures oh, excuse me, sound
structures, water, lightstructures, water.
So it is acting as a receiver ofthis information that's
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happening in light.
And when I say light, we thinkof light, as we should, right.
But we often don't think thatthat light is also an
electromagnetic field and hasthat information encoded in it,
right.
And same thing with sound wethink of sound as pressure waves
.
We often don't think of soundas light, which it is right.
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So we're coming back down tothis idea of information being
encoded in frequency and ourbody being able to pick that up
because of the way it's made inthose liquid crystal structures,
like we mentioned, cell, brainand fashion, DNA and
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mitochondria, as well as thewater that is forming on the
surface of those structures.
So it starts to really open upa whole new window on how the
body works, how we can affecthealth.
Right, Because we know thatcertain frequencies of light,
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certain frequencies of sound areso impactful on our health and
so beneficial and in most cases,free right.
So it really puts the power backinto our hands to really
facilitate health in a free,accessible way.
Dr. Michele Burklund (34:27):
Right, and I mean there's so much studies
going on with the differentfrequencies, you know whether
it's in all different areas fordata or for technology but we
haven't really taken the effortto study how much we can do with
our health through all of thesethings.
So, yeah, I feel like it's it'sjust the beginning of an
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amazing field, but we reallyneed to embrace it and really go
down that path.
Dr. Catherine Clinto (34:55):
Absolutely , absolutely.
I think that what people don'tunderstand when we're talking
about quantum computing andneurogenic technology and all
this stuff it's based it'strying to mimic what's happening
in our body.
So when we think like, oh mygosh, that's too wild, it has
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nothing to do with the body,it's like no, actually that
research is trying to recreatewhat happens in a neuron.
It's using life as theinstruction manual to come up
with this.
So for us to kind of wrap ourheads around the technology that
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naturally exists in us and totend to that just opens up an
incredible new avenue foraccessing health.
And the thing that's reallyexciting for me when I speak to
people about it is so much ofit's free and accessible.
You know it's not the latest,greatest, most fancy, most
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expensive thing.
It's going outside in themorning, it's putting our feet
in the ground, it's making sureyour body knows what season it's
in.
It's it's working on coherenceand coherent relationships with
ourselves and the people in ourlives and the world we live in
and nature.
So that's a really excitingthing for me, because so much of
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medicine is inaccessible andwhen we do access it, it's so
expensive.
A lot of us have gone into debtfor medical procedures and
medical help, and this is freeand we have evolved over
millennia with it.
So when we're talking aboutside effects of putting our feet
in the ground or seeing thesunrise, I mean we have ample
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evidence on that side as well.
It's just a beautiful,beautiful practice to return to.
Dr. Michele Burklund (37:01):
Yeah, and I'm.
I was reading some of thestatistics on your website too
and I think it said 3%.
Yeah, the average person spends3% of their time outdoors,
which is I mean, it's so crazyhow far we've gone, you know,
over the last probably hundredyears, of how much our lifestyle
has changed to 97% of the timewe are in indoor spaces, and so,
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um, yeah, it's powerful whenyou really look at it that way,
and and your whole approach torewilding and and and getting
out there, it's, it's shockingwhen you, when you look at it
and you hear those statistics.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (37:43):
It is so shocking, and I, you know that's
pre COVID I wonder what thestatistics would be now after
the pandemic.
Because we've become even morereliant on technology, right,
we've become even more tied toour screens.
So, and I have two kids, right,I have a teenager, and so I
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understand that we live in aworld.
But there's ways to to affectchange, right, if they want to
do screen time, I am oftensaying, well, you have to do it
outside.
You know, like, at least you'reinundated with that screen
technology and that relationship, but you still will be exposed
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to the natural world.
You know, like um and and, andwe're not talking about a big
time, we're not saying you haveto spend 97 of your time to be
outside to get this benefit,right, we're talking about 10,
15 minutes in the morning.
You know 10, 20 minutesthroughout the day, lowering
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those lights at night.
So your body knows that it'snow evening and darkness and
they need to do all the thingsthat happen in that circadian
rhythm.
Lots of time outside is great,right, but this medicine, this
relationship, doesn't need areversal and you have to spend
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90% of your time outside or 80%or something it's, it's still
just, these small little bitscan have enormous impacts on our
health and wellbeing.
Dr. Michele Burklund (39:24):
Right, and , and I, I, so I have.
I have one more question foryou, kind of on this and and if
you could find onerecommendation for our audience,
like the single most importantthing they could do for their
health, like a take-home messagewhat would you tell them today?
Jeez, you're going to move itfrom the one.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (39:50):
Okay, that's a tough one.
It's so tough I'm totally goingto cheat on this one.
So I'm totally going to cheat onthis one.
I'm going to combine a coupleinto one instance.
So if I had to choose onepractice that combines a couple
of things, I would say thatgoing outside in the morning is
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an enormous regulator of ourbody, right, almost every cell
in the body has a circadian geneor circadian clock that's
governed by the light in ourenvironment.
So if we can go outside in thosemorning hours, like before 10
AM, our hormonal cascade is set,our immune system, our
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digestion, our immune system,our digestion cardiovascular,
neurological, mental, emotionalall of these things are
initiated by this spectrum oflight that happens in the
morning hours.
So if we can do that andcombine it with a practice of
gratitude, we're settingourselves up to be coherent in
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the body, in that heart, brainconnection and coherence that
can happen there and how thatripples throughout our body.
And we also can become coherentwith the rhythm, the main
rhythm of the solar system, thatcircadian rhythm, the rising
and setting of the sun.
And so that would be my answer,and I totally cheated, but I
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couldn't pick between whichcoherence is more important,
because they're so foundationalboth of them, that idea that
gratitude can really shift ourinternal biology and our
internal state of inflammationand immune system and hormones
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and all of those things.
And so can the sun, right, socan that relationship with the
sun.
So I cheated, but that's myanswer.
Dr. Michele Burklund (41:57):
I love that and it's like creating a
ritual, like a morning ritual,to get out there and to be in
tune with your body and yourmind.
And that's the core anyway tocombine everything and to be in
tune, because we're not justphysical beings and we're not
just emotional beings.
So I think that's a powerfultake home message for for
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everyone listening to just asimple thing they can do each
day.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (42:25):
Yeah, yeah, and it is simple and it's
free, and yet it's so verypowerful.
I've seen people really shifttheir entire disease state with
something as simple as thatpractice we just mentioned.
So while it's simple, itdoesn't mean that it's not very
powerful.
Dr. Michele Burklund (42:47):
Exactly Well.
Thank you so much for coming ontoday and telling us a little
bit about your story and quantumbiology and and hopefully a lot
of people will start thinking alittle differently and and
being aware of the world aroundus in a different way.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (43:03):
So thank you so much yeah, thank you so
much for having me on today.
It was an absolute pleasure,thank you.
Welcome to the podcast Medicine Untold and
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I'm host, , licensednaturopathic doctor, botanical
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Hello everyone, thank you forjoining me today.
Today, we have Dr CatherineClinton with us.
I'm super excited that you'rehere.
So thank you so much, Catherine, and welcome.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (00:49):
Oh, thank you so much for having me on.
I'm so excited to talk with youtoday.
Dr. Michele Burklund (00:54):
Yeah, I think it's going to be a lot of
great information.
So I'm going to read a littlebit about your bio so everyone
can get to know you.
Who might not know you on thispodcast yet.
So Dr Catherine Clinton is aquantum biology health educator,
licensed naturopathic physicianand author.
She has a focus on gut health,autoimmunity and
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psychoneuroimmunology.
As a respected author, speakerand health advocate, dr
Catherine practices in Eugene,oregon.
When, in medical school, drCatherine was diagnosed with and
healed from an autoimmunedisease that affects the
gastrointestinal tract, leavingher with a passion to prevent
autoimmunity in peopleeverywhere.
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Dr Catherine addresses thepsychoneuroimmune system and gut
health of children, adults andfamilies through a deeper
connection with the world aroundus.
Dr Catherine is passionateabout the connections we have
with the world around us and howthese connections can
regenerate our health and thehealth of the planet.
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She sees an urgent need forhealing our internal terrain as
well as healing the terrain ofthe world we live in.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (02:09):
So welcome.
Dr. Michele Burklund (02:12):
Yeah, and that is a powerful statement
that I'm sure we're going to getinto a little more, but first I
want to kind of hear your story.
So tell me a little bit moreabout you know how you found
naturopathic medicine, whathappened when you were in
medical school, and what kind ofled you on this path that
you're on today?
Yeah, absolutely.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (02:35):
So actually I assisted with a
traditional midwife from Mexicofor six or seven years and I
knew pretty much like by thethird birth I was like this is
amazing.
Natural medicine is amazing.
I can't be a midwife.
They are just cut from adifferent beautiful cloth.
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I just need that off sign.
I need to be able to switchthat off sign.
And midwives are incredible intheir dedication to all those
mamas and babies out there.
But for me it was more of aparadigm shifting experience and
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from there that's when Idecided, okay, I can do
naturopathic medical school, Ican help people this way and
also close the office at night.
And so I went on in myundergrad I was.
I got my degree in philosophyand I avoided everything science
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like the plague.
So I had to go back and startall my pre-med stuff math 95, do
all my college level physiology, anatomy, organic chem, all
that stuff.
So that took me a couple ofyears and then I went to
naturopathic medical school inPortland and it was my second
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year of medical school there andI got really sick.
It was that initiation yearwhere you have to sign in at
seven.
If you don't sign in by seven,you don't pass that class and
you can take it the next year.
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And so that was like theproverbial straw that broke the
camel's back and it was just toomuch.
I didn't have the foundation tohandle that amount of stress
and I was diagnosed withulcerative colitis, which
affects the GI tract, andautoimmune condition, another
autoimmune condition, hashimotothyroiditis, which affects the
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thyroid gland, and Lyme diseaseand GI parasite.
I mean, the list went on and on.
It was sort of that dominoeffect when your health just
kind of spirals out of control,and I was in a great place to
put the physical pieces backtogether and go from that
(05:07):
debilitated, really sick statewhere you can't participate in
life, to being able to be aproductive member and I was able
to go back to school and seepatients in the clinic.
But there was a huge piece ofvitality that was missing from
my life and that's when I reallystarted getting interested in
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researching and practicingquantum biology and quantum
biological perspective tohealing.
Dr. Michele Burklund (05:47):
Yeah, and I think that's that was
definitely a missing componentin naturopathic medicine school
too is tying in the emotions toeverything, and to me I mean I
am a hundred percent inalignment with you and how
important that is for healing ingeneral too, and how all of
that really needs to be together.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (06:04):
Yeah, absolutely.
Dr. Michele Burklund (06:07):
Can you tell us, um, like a little more
about the field ofpsychoneuroimmunology and and
really what that means, Cause Ithink some people might be a
little confused, or maybethey've never even heard that
word for the first time before?
Dr. Catherine Clinton (06:23):
Yeah, absolutely.
Psychoneuroimmunology what amouthful right that's just.
It's just a huge word todescribe how our thoughts and
emotions impact our biology andour immune system.
And they have a huge impact.
They are intimately tied withour hormonal state, our
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inflammatory state, our immunesystem balance or imbalance.
And so it was during that timewhen I was really sick that my
physician and she was also thephysician that I was doing
rotations with at the clinic shekind of pushed me to look at
psychoneuroimmunology and I wasdoing rotations with at the
clinic.
She kind of pushed me to lookat psychoneuroimmunology and I
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was like, oh, I don't, we cantalk about that patient or we
could talk about that patient,but I don't want to talk about
me, like don't you have anotherherb or a different intervention
.
But of course she was right andof course our thoughts have an
enormous impact on ourbiological function and just
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across the board there is apredictable influence that
certain emotions have on howinflamed we are and inflammation
is kind of that backboneindicator of symptoms and
disease state right.
When we're really inflamed,those symptoms start to pop up,
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disease onset ensues.
So we see that all the time inclinic and our thoughts have an
immense impact on that andthat's something that's really
not being addressed inmainstream medicine.
I remember when my dad had aheart attack, trying to get the
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cardiologist to say like doesn'tmental, emotional stress impact
heart, and he was like no, no,no.
And it was like oh my gosh,please, how can we be saying
this?
I mean, you know, just fromcommon sense, when we get
stressed, our blood pressuregoes up.
So the idea that the energeticimprint of a thought or an
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emotion can impact our biologyis paradigm shifting in a
medical system that looks atonly this chemical, mechanical
model.
And, of course,psychoimmunology doesn't negate
the chemical model.
It just says there's somethingelse at play.
There's something else weshould be looking at too,
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something else in our toolkit,and I think as doctors we can
both agree that once we widenthat toolkit, the better health
that we can help our patientswith, that our immunities can
have, that our world can haveoverall.
Dr. Michele Burklund (09:24):
Right, and I mean and your proof of that
too with the autoimmune issuesthat you were diagnosed with,
which were pretty serious, andbeing able to overcome them and
having this component andworking through it, I think
that's super powerful and thatsays a lot, too, just in your
own work.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (09:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think that you know the
work of psychoneuroimmunology.
When we and the idea of heartcoherence and emotional
regulation, it can be reallydaunting for someone who's sick
to hear that.
For me it was.
It was like, oh my goodness,you mean, my thoughts are
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impacting my health state andI'm having a hard time
regulating them, and they're notalways that positive.
So this isn't looking good,right, it was just this spiral,
and I think for us to rememberthat, as humans, we're meant to
feel fear, frustration, grief,anger.
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We're meant to feel all thosethings.
It's when we get stuck in thosepatterns that this chronic
inflammation, these diseasestates, can become associated
with those emotional states.
So it's not that one thought orthat continuation of the
thought.
We have to remember that we canforge a new path.
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I mean neuroplasticity.
The ability for our brains tocreate new pathways is always
there, and so anyone listeningout there who might be feeling
like, oh, this is a lot, that'sexactly how I felt.
I did not want to look at it,and once I did, I started to
realize that there's space forall these emotions and they're
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healthy, they're guiding us aswell, as long as we don't stay
there, as long as we don't judgethem right, as long as we just
recognize that's an emotion andI'm having it and I'm making
space for it, and then it can goon its merry way, right.
It's the friction of judgmentand blame or shame or guilt, of
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having that emotion that reallyinterferes with us getting back
to that state of gratitude andsense of awe or joy or love from
our place in the world aroundus.
Dr. Michele Burklund (11:53):
Definitely yeah.
I think.
I think some people couldmisinterpret yeah that as saying
like oh no, I caused this, youknow, and then having guilt and
shame versus saying I takeresponsibility, you know, and
then having guilt and shameversus saying I take
responsibility which is moreempowering, and then going to
that effort to change thethoughts, rather than holding
that and and blaming yourselfand in that cycle for sure.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (12:18):
Yeah, absolutely.
And oftentimes, when we look atthose emotions, we realize
those patterns have been theresince we were very young and
instilled by other authorityfigures right, and so that blame
really doesn't rest on ourshoulders.
We can even sometimes look backgenerationally and see, like
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that cortisol response, thatresponse to stress, is handed
down generationally.
So, you know, some of us comeinto this life with a blueprint
to be more vulnerable to thosekind of emotional reactions and
patterns and just recognizingthat holds such power, that hold
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such power that, oh wow, thisis something that isn't
necessarily a product of myeveryday life.
It was handed down or somethingthat I picked up early on and I
can.
I can till the garden and growsomething new, right.
Dr. Michele Burklund (13:23):
Definitely , and I think I think kind of
the hardest part for that isfinding the best ways to do that
, to remove those limitingbeliefs and take that route.
But just acknowledging them orbeing able to see them, I think
is a huge stride to yeah, yeah,so tell me a little bit more
about quantum biology, how youkind of blended all these
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different things together andkind of what that means too.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (13:53):
Yeah, absolutely A lot of us have
heard of quantum physics, a lotof us have heard of biology, but
not many of us have heard ofquantum biology.
And really what it is is thestudy of quantum phenomenon in a
living system, in a body, in ahuman body, and basically,
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simply put, what that means islooking at the subatomic action
in the body and how thatsometimes gives rise to what we
see on our lab work or oursymptoms or disease states.
Like I've mentioned before,dominant paradigm is so
chemically driven, somechanically driven.
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We have trillions and trillionsof cells in the body and each
one of these cells is completinghundreds of thousands of tasks
each second and mathematicallythat is impossible with this
idea of random collision or theallosteric model, where you have
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these biological keys bumpingaround in a cell trying to find
their receptor until theyrandomly find it.
Hundreds and thousands of taskseach second is just
mathematically impossible withthis random collision model.
And you know, we see that allthe time right?
Oh, that's junk dna or you knowsomething we don't understand.
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We just say, oh that, oh,that's random, that's junk,
that's not a big deal.
And later we find out oh no,there's this beautiful subatomic
quantum action guiding what wesee on a chemical level, right,
what we see on a mechanicallevel.
And it's just such a beautifulstep for science to take to sort
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of embrace this invisibleblueprint of the flow of
electrons in the body, orprotons or photons of light or
phonons from sound, or how thefrequency of an emotion can
impact cellular life.
And that's what quantum biologyis.
It's looking at the impact ofall those really small pieces in
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the body and how they give riseto biological function.
And it was in that state of metrying to get better when I came
across an article, a researcharticle by a researcher named
Martin Picard and he is stilldoing incredible research to
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this day on mitochondria.
And mitochondria are thoselittle jelly bean shaped
organelles in a cell that createenergy.
They create ATP and that's theenergy currency of our body.
They create ATP and that's theenergy currency of our body.
And so when we have a dip inATP, there's symptoms, disease
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state.
We really, really want tomaintain that ATP production,
that energy production in thebody was talking about in this
research articles.
He was showing that our mentalstate impacts the energy
production in a mitochondria.
And at the same time there wasother quantum biological
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research happening at UCBerkeley showing how quantum
phenomenon are leading tophotosynthesis, and all of it At
the same time I was like, oh mygoodness, there is this unseen
force happening, just like wealways kind of thought, right,
like ancient indigenous culturesalways talked about.
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It was always part of ourmedicine until the scientific
revolution.
And everything has to be provenunder a microscope and
validated, which is important.
We need that.
We need some level of scrutinyand consensus in science.
But the beautiful thing aboutquantum biology is it's starting
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to pull back in and validatesome of those things that were
cast away in the scientificrevolution.
This idea of energy,electricity, sound, light having
such an impact on our biologyis now being validated and it's
such a fascinating subject andemerging field.
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I just can't get enough of it.
Dr. Michele Burklund (18:25):
Yeah, I know it's such an exciting time
and it's so awesome that there'sso many different studies
happening right now finallyassociating that, and it is it's
like common sense in so manyways.
But yeah, our medical model hasgone so far to separate the
body into pieces that it kind ofremoved that completely for so
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long that we have to come backand and then see how powerful
the data is too.
I mean, I know that, um, stressis literally associated with
pretty much every chronicdisease in America, but we still
have to prove that emotionsaffect the body in these
different ways.
But yeah, I think I thinkthat's the perfect field and
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that's exactly kind of where weneed to be right now too.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (19:16):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
I'm loving the research outabout coherence and quantum
coherence and the idea, you know, coherence is just two or more
things working at the samevibration, like you walk into a
piano shop and strike the Cchord and all the other C keys
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in the piano shop start to ringthat same tune and that idea
that we can have coherence inour body but we can have
coherence if we are coherent.
We can have coherence in groupsand communities.
I mean, it's just such a abeautiful and really timely
science.
Right, we need that right now,in this global society that we
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have, where we are inundatedwith all this information around
the globe and all these thingshappening that can sow real
division, to really focus onthis idea that we can create
this coherence and this abilityto work through these things is
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really, really incredible, and Ithink it's the perfect time for
this science to be emerging.
Dr. Michele Burklund (20:34):
Yeah, 100% on that, especially everything
that's going on in our lives toreally bring us back.
And I have another question foryou, kind of on that, where
you've mentioned a little bitabout liquid crystal technology.
I heard that in one of yourlectures or something I was
listening to, and when you werespeaking about how DNA is a
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liquid crystalline structure, aswell as our mitochondria and
our fascia, and so can youdescribe this in further detail
and how this can affect ourhealth, cause we're kind of on
the same subject here witheverything?
Dr. Catherine Clinton (21:13):
Yeah, absolutely, it's fascinating.
You know, when I say liquidcrystal, people are like, oh,
there, she goes off to like thenew age gem store or something
right.
But we're really familiaractually with liquid crystal
technology.
Like, the reason I can see yourbeautiful face right now and we
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can have this conversation isbecause our screens computer TV,
smartphone screens have liquidcrystal technology and that just
means that the screen is amesophase between a liquid and a
crystal.
It can act as both, and all themolecules are aligned in a
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certain fashion.
They're organized as acollective, and when I send an
electrical impulse into thatliquid crystal, I send an
electrical impulse into thatliquid crystal.
Those molecules shift, andright behind that liquid crystal
screen is a bunch of light, andso when those molecules shift
direction, they let in adifferent amount of light and
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that's how we get thesebeautiful pictures right.
Well, the same kind of thing ishappening in our body.
We have liquid crystalstructures in our body, our
fascia, our cell membranes, ourDNA.
These things are acting asreceivers for electrical
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impulses, for electricalimpulses.
And again, this brings us backto a level that goes beyond that
chemical model.
It doesn't negate it right, itdoesn't say it doesn't exist.
It says there's something elseout there, that we are
communicating with frequencyinformation, with electrical
information, and we know this tobe true.
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We know that electromagneticfrequencies help guide cell
behavior.
They help guide cell migrationand movement throughout the body
.
They help guide differentiationof like.
How does a cell become an earright?
We're starting to understandthat it isn't all seen
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underneath the microscope, thatsome of these electrical
magnetic impulses are guidinglife.
And how is that possible?
Because some things in our bodycan receive those messages
right.
They can receive that like aantenna, like a radio antenna
would, and if that's not mindblowing, I don't know what is.
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It's just astonishing to methat our body is acting on that
way, because I've been trainedin school and in medical school
that it's a chemical.
It's a chemical or it's arandom event of a key finding a
receptor lock that allows forthis beautiful miracle of life.
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And now we're finding that thatdoes happen.
But there's also this sea ofquantum action guiding life as
well, and that to me is veryexciting and that to me is very
exciting, yeah, and it seemsvery similar.
Dr. Michele Burklund (24:36):
We had Dr Pollack talk about easy water
and everything and how the cellwould align differently, if you
know, regular water versus easywater, and it sounds, yeah, very
similar in the same realm.
Um to that that you know it'snot random and it's not by
mistake, but everything has adeeper intelligence to it, for
sure oh, absolutely, and allthose things I mentioned.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (24:56):
um, I try to keep it really simple and
not go crazy on people, but Iall those things I mentioned
fascia, cell membranes, dna, allthose things, mitochondria they
are covered by that structuredwater that Pollock discovered,
right, the professor Pollock,gerald Pollock discovered, and
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so you've got this structuredwater that's also acting as a
liquid crystal.
Right, we could call itcrystalline water as well.
It's organized, it responds tothis energy information and
realigns.
It's absolutely incredible tostart looking at the body at
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that way, acknowledging that andtending to it.
Dr. Michele Burklund (25:45):
Right, and yeah, I guess it's just.
It's understanding how muchintelligence we have and how
much we don't understand andcan't be explained.
But we're learning like thelike, the beauty and how amazing
it really is in the body andthat innate intelligence
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Absolutely.
Can you tell us a little bitabout quantum entanglement and
how we have this interaction inour bodies on easy to understand
scales?
Dr. Catherine Clinton (26:19):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Quantum entanglement is justthe idea that two particles that
were created together, spenttime together, have an
inseparable bond, even ifthey're far away from each other
, and one state of a moleculewill inform the state of the
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other molecule, right?
So if I know what's happeningin this molecule over here, even
if the entangled molecule isfar away, I know what's
happening in it instantaneously,just because of what's
happening here, because they'reentangled, because they are
still connected, and we see thishappening in our mitochondria,
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we see this happening inresearch with protons in the
neurons of our brain.
So we're starting to understand.
And why do we care about that?
Isn't it just this random thingthat doesn't matter?
No, it seems to be a way tocommunicate information in the
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body and from the world aroundus, right?
So this idea of entanglement,right?
So this idea of entanglement, um, is what quantum biologists
think allows birds to migrateover long distances.
Right, these birds don't have aroadmap, they don't have gps,
some of them have never done itbefore, and the reason they're
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able to do this without aphysical guide is because
researchers postulate it'sbecause there is a quantum
entanglement happening in theireyes from the magnetic field of
the earth.
And so there is thiscommunication happening that's
(28:24):
instantly relayed between themagnetic field of the earth and
the brains of these birds.
And it's just absolutelyphenomenal to think that these
processes we've always kind ofsaid, well, yes, they're almost
100% efficient.
Yes, we have no machines thatcan do this that efficiently.
(28:48):
But it's just kind of random,it just sort of just happens
right.
It's like, well, that's astrange explanation, but we'll
just go with it.
And that's what we've beendoing.
We've just been going with it.
And now we start to understandoh there's an information
encoding happening at a verysmall, small level of the
(29:10):
subatomic level of an electron,a photon, a proton, that allows
for this information transferand allows for it to happen
almost instantaneously.
And it is really small and it isreally fast, but it's enough.
It's enough to guide thisinformation.
And to me that's reallyexciting because it leads us to
(29:34):
an era of medicine that isn'tjust chemical, that we have
other options because we knowthe chemical model only gets us
so far and for some people justplainly doesn't work.
And it also speaks to thisinterconnection that we have
with the world around us, whereI don't end at the barriers of
(29:55):
my skin.
I'm connected with the dirtbeneath my feet, with the rising
and setting of the sun, withthe seasonal patterns, with all
of those things.
And for me personally thatbrings a great depth of safety,
(30:15):
a feeling of belonging, like, ohokay, that's what I'm doing
here.
So for me it also brings just abeautiful sense of where I'm
supposed to be and what I'msupposed to be doing in this
world.
Dr. Michele Burklund (30:33):
Right, and I think even something as
simple as going barefoot on theearth or something and grounding
yourself, you can be in thatfield and fill it even in that
sense Absolutely.
And can you tell us more abouthow light and sound and water,
(31:01):
how they all kind of interplayto affect us and to affect our
bodies too?
Dr. Catherine Clinton (31:08):
Sure, absolutely.
I mean, we could do like a weekseries about this, right?
I know, I know about this,right, I know, I know.
But everybody should definitelygo back and listen to your
episode with Professor GeraldPollack, right, so that they
understand that thesehydrophilic surfaces in us that
means water loving create thisdifferent.
(31:30):
It allows water to come up tothe surface of a cell, that cell
membrane or the surface offascia, fascial tube, or the
mitochondria or DNA.
It allows, as that water comesup to the surface, it
reorganizes in structure.
It becomes structurallydifferent than the regular bulk
(31:53):
water in our body and, like wesaid, it becomes liquid crystal
in nature.
It's able to capture light inthe infrared spectrum,
especially in the sun is ourbiggest source of infrared
energy in our solar system.
It is able to capture light inthat spectrum.
(32:13):
It's able to capture sound.
So the field of cymatics is howdifferent frequencies of sound
each have their own, createtheir own cymatic pattern in
water and these are beautifulpatterns.
They look like mandalas, right,and Hans Jennings was sort of
(32:36):
the pioneer of cymatics.
John Stewart Reed has continuedand expanded that research
tremendously, showing that waterstructures oh, excuse me, sound
structures, water, lightstructures, water.
So it is acting as a receiver ofthis information that's
(32:59):
happening in light.
And when I say light, we thinkof light, as we should, right.
But we often don't think thatthat light is also an
electromagnetic field and hasthat information encoded in it,
right.
And same thing with sound wethink of sound as pressure waves
.
We often don't think of soundas light, which it is right.
(33:22):
So we're coming back down tothis idea of information being
encoded in frequency and ourbody being able to pick that up
because of the way it's made inthose liquid crystal structures,
like we mentioned, cell, brainand fashion, DNA and
(33:44):
mitochondria, as well as thewater that is forming on the
surface of those structures.
So it starts to really open upa whole new window on how the
body works, how we can affecthealth.
Right, Because we know thatcertain frequencies of light,
(34:05):
certain frequencies of sound areso impactful on our health and
so beneficial and in most cases,free right.
So it really puts the power backinto our hands to really
facilitate health in a free,accessible way.
Dr. Michele Burklund (34:27):
Right, and I mean there's so much studies
going on with the differentfrequencies, you know whether
it's in all different areas fordata or for technology but we
haven't really taken the effortto study how much we can do with
our health through all of thesethings.
So, yeah, I feel like it's it'sjust the beginning of an
(34:48):
amazing field, but we reallyneed to embrace it and really go
down that path.
Dr. Catherine Clinto (34:55):
Absolutely , absolutely.
I think that what people don'tunderstand when we're talking
about quantum computing andneurogenic technology and all
this stuff it's based it'strying to mimic what's happening
in our body.
So when we think like, oh mygosh, that's too wild, it has
(35:16):
nothing to do with the body,it's like no, actually that
research is trying to recreatewhat happens in a neuron.
It's using life as theinstruction manual to come up
with this.
So for us to kind of wrap ourheads around the technology that
(35:40):
naturally exists in us and totend to that just opens up an
incredible new avenue foraccessing health.
And the thing that's reallyexciting for me when I speak to
people about it is so much ofit's free and accessible.
You know it's not the latest,greatest, most fancy, most
(36:02):
expensive thing.
It's going outside in themorning, it's putting our feet
in the ground, it's making sureyour body knows what season it's
in.
It's it's working on coherenceand coherent relationships with
ourselves and the people in ourlives and the world we live in
and nature.
So that's a really excitingthing for me, because so much of
(36:27):
medicine is inaccessible andwhen we do access it, it's so
expensive.
A lot of us have gone into debtfor medical procedures and
medical help, and this is freeand we have evolved over
millennia with it.
So when we're talking aboutside effects of putting our feet
in the ground or seeing thesunrise, I mean we have ample
(36:52):
evidence on that side as well.
It's just a beautiful,beautiful practice to return to.
Dr. Michele Burklund (37:01):
Yeah, and I'm.
I was reading some of thestatistics on your website too
and I think it said 3%.
Yeah, the average person spends3% of their time outdoors,
which is I mean, it's so crazyhow far we've gone, you know,
over the last probably hundredyears, of how much our lifestyle
has changed to 97% of the timewe are in indoor spaces, and so,
(37:27):
um, yeah, it's powerful whenyou really look at it that way,
and and your whole approach torewilding and and and getting
out there, it's, it's shockingwhen you, when you look at it
and you hear those statistics.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (37:43):
It is so shocking, and I, you know that's
pre COVID I wonder what thestatistics would be now after
the pandemic.
Because we've become even morereliant on technology, right,
we've become even more tied toour screens.
So, and I have two kids, right,I have a teenager, and so I
(38:06):
understand that we live in aworld.
But there's ways to to affectchange, right, if they want to
do screen time, I am oftensaying, well, you have to do it
outside.
You know, like, at least you'reinundated with that screen
technology and that relationship, but you still will be exposed
(38:26):
to the natural world.
You know, like um and and, andwe're not talking about a big
time, we're not saying you haveto spend 97 of your time to be
outside to get this benefit,right, we're talking about 10,
15 minutes in the morning.
You know 10, 20 minutesthroughout the day, lowering
(38:48):
those lights at night.
So your body knows that it'snow evening and darkness and
they need to do all the thingsthat happen in that circadian
rhythm.
Lots of time outside is great,right, but this medicine, this
relationship, doesn't need areversal and you have to spend
(39:11):
90% of your time outside or 80%or something it's, it's still
just, these small little bitscan have enormous impacts on our
health and wellbeing.
Dr. Michele Burklund (39:24):
Right, and , and I, I, so I have.
I have one more question foryou, kind of on this and and if
you could find onerecommendation for our audience,
like the single most importantthing they could do for their
health, like a take-home messagewhat would you tell them today?
Jeez, you're going to move itfrom the one.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (39:50):
Okay, that's a tough one.
It's so tough I'm totally goingto cheat on this one.
So I'm totally going to cheat onthis one.
I'm going to combine a coupleinto one instance.
So if I had to choose onepractice that combines a couple
of things, I would say thatgoing outside in the morning is
(40:11):
an enormous regulator of ourbody, right, almost every cell
in the body has a circadian geneor circadian clock that's
governed by the light in ourenvironment.
So if we can go outside in thosemorning hours, like before 10
AM, our hormonal cascade is set,our immune system, our
(40:34):
digestion, our immune system,our digestion cardiovascular,
neurological, mental, emotionalall of these things are
initiated by this spectrum oflight that happens in the
morning hours.
So if we can do that andcombine it with a practice of
gratitude, we're settingourselves up to be coherent in
(40:57):
the body, in that heart, brainconnection and coherence that
can happen there and how thatripples throughout our body.
And we also can become coherentwith the rhythm, the main
rhythm of the solar system, thatcircadian rhythm, the rising
and setting of the sun.
And so that would be my answer,and I totally cheated, but I
(41:21):
couldn't pick between whichcoherence is more important,
because they're so foundationalboth of them, that idea that
gratitude can really shift ourinternal biology and our
internal state of inflammationand immune system and hormones
(41:43):
and all of those things.
And so can the sun, right, socan that relationship with the
sun.
So I cheated, but that's myanswer.
Dr. Michele Burklund (41:57):
I love that and it's like creating a
ritual, like a morning ritual,to get out there and to be in
tune with your body and yourmind.
And that's the core anyway tocombine everything and to be in
tune, because we're not justphysical beings and we're not
just emotional beings.
So I think that's a powerfultake home message for for
(42:20):
everyone listening to just asimple thing they can do each
day.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (42:25):
Yeah, yeah, and it is simple and it's
free, and yet it's so verypowerful.
I've seen people really shifttheir entire disease state with
something as simple as thatpractice we just mentioned.
So while it's simple, itdoesn't mean that it's not very
powerful.
Dr. Michele Burklund (42:47):
Exactly Well.
Thank you so much for coming ontoday and telling us a little
bit about your story and quantumbiology and and hopefully a lot
of people will start thinking alittle differently and and
being aware of the world aroundus in a different way.
Dr. Catherine Clinton (43:03):
So thank you so much yeah, thank you so
much for having me on today.
It was an absolute pleasure,thank you.
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