February 22, 2024 • 56 mins
When faced with her husband's cancer diagnosis, Dr. Katherine Willow turned to German New Medicine, opening her eyes to a profound connection between our emotions and physical health. Join us as Dr. Willow, a revered naturopathic doctor, shares her personal voyage into the healing arts and her discovery of GNM's transformative principles. With a rich background in natural medicine, she brings to the table a wealth of knowledge and experience, challenging our traditional understanding of illness and recovery.
Venture into the heart of German New Medicine as we discuss Dr. Hamer's pioneering observations on the brain's response to trauma and its manifestation in the body. We're not just talking about theoretical knowledge here; Dr. Willow offers practical insights on how recognizing the body's dual-phase response can illuminate the path to recovery. Whether it's the intricacies of lung cancer or the perplexities of arthritis, we take a closer look at how GNM reframes these conditions, potentially revolutionizing the way we approach health and healing.
The conversation doesn't stop at physiological responses; we also touch on the remarkable efficacy of somatic therapies like EFT and EMDR in addressing deep-seated traumas. Dr. Willow regales us with compelling case studies that demonstrate the diversity of healing responses, reminding us of the need for patience and empathy in therapy. If you're yearning for an episode that promises to enlighten and inspire, that bridges the gap between emotional well-being and physical health, and that explores the revolutionary potential of German New Medicine, this is a conversation you can't afford to miss.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to the podcast Medicine Untold and come
with me on a journey to theunexplored side of medicine,
where we speak with rebeldoctors, radical herbalists,
unorthodox healers and patientswho have healed themselves.
Explore the intersectionbetween science and spirituality
and discover the power withinyou.
(00:26):
I'm your host, dr MichelleBerklin, licensed naturopathic
doctor, botanical outcomist andpracticing physician.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Welcome everyone.
Today we have Dr CatherineWillow with us.
Welcome, catherine.
Dr Willow is a fourthgeneration naturopathic doctor
with over four decades ofexperience.
She is the founder and directorof Carpridge Eco Wellness
Center near Ottawa, canada,which encompasses 190 acres and
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hosts North America's firstforest school.
The focus of the center is aholistic mind-body medicine
clinic and programs that teachhealing principles.
Dr Willow integrates German newmedicine, or GNM, into her
practice.
In this new paradigm, one canconnect biological shocks with
conditions and determine whethera person's symptoms are the
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stress or in the stress orhealing phase.
Her current goal is to developone of the best mind-body
medicine clinics on the planet.
Dr Willow integrates DrHammer's discoveries about how
we get sick and how we heal withnaturopathic medicine, ayurveda
and mainstream diagnostics andtreatments in the context of
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spiritual principles to createeffective and realistic healing
programs.
Thank you so much, dr Willow,for coming on today.
I'm excited to hear so muchmore about mind-body medicine.
I feel that my beliefs and theway I want to practice is very
in tune with this.
Getting more information outthere of German new medicine, I
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think, is an amazing thing to dofor our audience today, so
welcome.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Great.
Thank you for inviting me.
I'll just preface this bysaying that I think that this
material is like the world isround and not flat for medicine.
That's how big it is, becauseit brings new principles of
healing that help us understandhow to use what we already know
better, exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Exactly so.
Tell us a little bit about whatled you to the path of becoming
a naturopathic doctor, whatinspired you to follow this
medicine from the people in yourfamily that really went before
you also.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
You're going to laugh , because as a teen I practiced
with my grandmother and thenwith my aunt, who were
naturopaths in Germany.
My grandmother was also amedical doctor and my aunt went.
I remember being with my auntand a man came in with a blood
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clot in his leg.
So she sent me off to thepharmacy for a leech and she
probably explained that theleech is injecting blood
thinners directly into the clotso it can get more blood and
then it takes three days for aleech to dissolve the blood clot
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, versus six weeks with themedication Interesting.
So those are the kinds of thingsthat I was introduced to with
by my family and I hated it.
I thought I'm never going to do, I'm not going to sit and
listen to sick people all day,and I promptly went off and
started to study Montessoriteacher training and that at
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that point was also strugglingwith my own health issues and
burnt out and didn't finish thepracticum.
Then my father said you need togo back to school and study
something proper.
So I hit the bullet and appliedto naturopathic college rather
reluctantly and was accepted,and even third year I wanted to,
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I wanted to bail, I was nothappy and it took me about five
or six years in practice beforeit turned 180 degrees to.
I love this and I haven'tlooked back since it.
I mean, I'm in my mid sixtiesnow and I'm just euphoric about
getting out of bed and doingthis work.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, that's amazing, like you bought it for a while
but you can't buy destiny.
So tell us a little bit moreabout how you found German new
medicine and what interests youin that, because that's I like.
For me, I didn't actually evenlearn about it until I was
living in Europe and somebodywas telling me about it, and
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that's how I kind of starteddigging initially.
But I think it's an importantthing to bring to all the people
here.
So tell us a little bit abouthow you found it.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah Well, it originated in a little bit of
tragedy in that my secondhusband was diagnosed with three
brain tumors and we I didn'tknow German medicine at the time
and of course had this image ofthese tumors eating out his
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brain and we just went frantic,we were so afraid and we finally
did a seven hour brain surgery.
And then after that, one of mypatients brought me Hummer's
first book.
It said you have to promise meto read this.
And we were on our way toGermany.
We went for treatments there aswell and I remember cracking
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that book at one o'clock in themorning and realizing this is
not a product, it's not atherapy, it's a whole new way of
looking at disease and it'swhat we've been missing.
This, this is why we're nothaving success with cancer.
And we landed and I hit the roadlooking for Dr Hummer's a
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connection, and we sent himMickey's brain cat scans and had
a phone appointment and he toldus Mickey's tumors were related
to certain organs and certainshocks.
So we knew the first two washeart and kidney.
But then he said he also hassomething with his left testicle
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and you probably won't knowthis, and it's some cell loss.
And we there were no symptomsof any of that and I think
Mickey was a bit offended.
But after we lost Mickey, I hadan autopsy done and it showed
the heart condition condition,the kidney condition and a
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totally disintegrated lefttesticle, and that pushed me
into studying this mysteriouswell, it wasn't mysterious.
This set of principles that mayactually made a lot of sense to
me even then, and I rememberhaving seven pages of every line
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of questions and after a year,most of those questions were
answered and I was blown away bywhat I was hearing from other
practitioners and teachers,mainly El Sador Laker, and
started using it in my practiceand was purpley blown away by
what I was seeing, sometimespalliative cancer patients
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healing in one visit just byreframing what they were going
through, understanding it in adifferent way and then writing
it.
So by 2017, I published my bookwith cases saying we need to use
this, let's do some research,let's confirm this, let's let's
integrate this into into ourregular medicine.
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And it's still the track on one.
I mean it doesn't benefit thatmany people yet because it's so
opposite to what we think weknow about disease that most
people can't do it.
They're too afraid, and it'sunderstandable.
We didn't make it.
I didn't do it well either atthe beginning.
It was just too off, toodifferent.
But now it's like I've beendoing it for 20 years or more
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and it's just like breathing.
It makes so much sense, so I'mmuch more comfortable with it
now.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, and that's.
It's a very powerful story too,how it really found you and
then how you saw the results andreally, yeah, I think it's.
I think it's pretty amazing toothat then you're trying to
prove the results and showeveryone else really the power
of it.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, on documenting everything.
So, and this fall, I hope tostart reaching out to local
medical doctors and looking fordoctors who are holistic and are
looking for this material.
I'm not going to not going totry and beat on any walls and
just want to find people whowant to do this and yeah, once
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we get a few, I mean, it wouldbe very easy to research.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, and I think one of the hurdles of overcoming it
too is when a patient relatesemotions to diseases, they think
like they are to blame versustaking responsibility and going
deeper.
And so it's changing that mindframe too and removing the guilt
or removing the blame and justgoing, going into it and not
being afraid to go into it aswell.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, I think that when the practitioner doesn't
blame, when the patient reallyfeels the sympathy practitioner
has, they can, they don't haveto go into that blame.
It's how it's how we describeit, how we frame it.
It goes a long way to how theperson is going to take it.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Exactly, exactly.
So can you tell our audienceyou know a little bit more about
the history behind German NewMedicine, about Dr Hammer and
really kind of what hediscovered to him?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, I can.
So his, his origin stories alsorooted in trauma.
He lost his youngest son to ashooting accident and after he
died, dr Hammer developed lefttesticular cancer and he had
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been perfectly healthy.
So made the connection thatthis trauma is related to my
cancer, which is not new.
We already were looking at that.
I mean, we have been for ages.
There's all kinds of researchthat shows that that's true.
But he went a step further.
He said I'm perceiving thistrauma with my mind and I've got
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something in my body.
Might we see something in a CATscan that gives us clues?
So he was working on a cancerward in Munich in a hospital and
he started taking brain CATscans of all of his cancer
patients and he started to seethese rings.
Now I don't know if you'll beable to see them.
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I show you Should.
I try, yeah we can give it a try, because because these rings
had been seen for decades andradiologists used to think that
they were reflections, so let'ssee there.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Oh, yeah, yeah, no, that shows up.
Well, we can see that there.
That's great.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
So I just like to prepared for that.
So.
But he saw those rings in thesame place for every cancer.
So he went to Siemens, the CATscan manufacturer, and he said I
think these rings are actuallynot reflections, but that
they're lesions.
And they proved that they were.
And so we have that letter.
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And so then what he did?
He started observing all hispatients and finding out what
kinds of traumas had happened,and found out that there were
similar traumas for each kind ofcancer.
And so that led to his firstlaw, the iron rule of cancer,
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that there was always apredisposing trauma, which he
would call a biological shock.
And then, as he observed longer, he noticed hundreds of new
principles of how we get sickand how we heal, and that's the
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material that we call Germanymedicine.
But it's huge.
I mean, it's like relearningmedicine.
Yeah, so he's noticed all kindsof patterns, so I'll let you
keep asking you questions, sure,sure.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
So one of the most basic premises in German new
medicine is that most conditionsare physical responses to
biological shocks in an attemptto help us survive.
So can you tell us more aboutwhat exactly biological shocks
are and how you would go aboutlinking them to a condition to
Good?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
question.
So biological shock, bydefinition, is an event that
triggers our fight or flightresponse, our survival response,
and they're not only physical.
Our mental diseases can also beunderstood in this way, which
is very interesting and gives alot of promise to mental
disorders that we haven't beenable to solve.
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And so what happens?
I think I'll leave it at that.
So Dr Hammer emphasized thatit's the worst when an event is
unexpected and sudden.
We haven't been able to preparefor it cognitively.
It's almost like our primalbody, self, reacts to it and
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it's trying to help us with thisevent.
So, for instance, if it's adeath fright, so we're told okay
, so you have a month to live.
So what happens is that thelungs will grow more lung cells
to absorb more oxygen to help ussurvive.
That's what we call it, thelung program in Germany medicine
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.
In regular medicine this iscalled a lung cancer, and I'll
have a story at the end aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Interesting.
So it's more the unprepared,the real shocks, wherever that
could be, where there's noinformation beforehand and then
it just hits and then thatreally creates that deep shock
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in the body, whatever that couldbe.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
So first you suddenly lose a job, your spouse
suddenly leaves, somebodysuddenly dies.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, yeah, and he I mean, it seemed like he really
figured that out in his own lifetoo, having such an intense
shock.
He went down that road.
So the second premise is thatfor each condition triggered by
shock there are two phasesactive and healing with
completely different symptoms ineach phase.
So can you tell us more aboutthese phases involved in German
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New Medicine and then what youmight notice in a person during
both of those phases?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
This is a core of German New Medicine and it's and
again this is where it startsbecoming counterintuitive.
The first law isn't that hardto understand, the second law.
So what happens is that whenthere's a shock we get plummeted
into sympathetic nervous system, fight or flight and we'll have
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two sets of symptoms general,general shock symptoms, which
are cold hands and feet.
We won't sleep well, we mightlose our appetite and we'll be
consumed by the shock.
We might want to isolate justin shock mode.
That's, those are the generalsymptoms.
But then there's also onespecific thing that's responding
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to the specific shock.
So in the death right situationit would be those lung cells
Specifically, although youwouldn't notice them at first.
Often you won't notice thespecific symptoms when you're in
the shock phase.
You're mostly just noticed thatyou're stressed, because the
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specific symptoms can be quitevarying.
But there are two generalcategories of specific symptoms.
One is cell growth, like thislung situation, but the other
one is cell loss, like in ajoint Joints, respond to
self-devaluation.
So I had a woman who high level, very competent employee in the
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government and she, out of theblue, got a bad performance
review.
Now performance relates tohands and what happened is that
she ended up having arthritis inher hands, so badly that she
couldn't play golf anymore.
And so when I hold her, this isusually performance she said oh
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, I know the shock, but here'sthe kicker.
You have the second phase,which starts when we resolve the
shock.
So in the example of the lungprogram or lung cancer, when
we're over, when we're notafraid anymore, when that's done
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, these cells will stop growing.
It's not as we imagine thatcancer is just a straightforward
street.
It totally responds to ourpsyche and also.
So then you're having alsogeneral healing symptoms, and in
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the healing phase we're inparasympathetic nervous systems.
We have two nervous systems,ones for stress, ones for
relaxation, rest, restore.
So when we're inparasympathetic we have a whole
different set of symptoms.
We're warm, possibly fevers, wemight have headaches.
The biggest thing about thehealing symptoms, the general
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ones, is that we're tired.
You can imagine that we'restressed for a long time, stress
, stress, stress, and that thecortisol makes us hyper, gets us
through the stress and all of asudden the stress is over.
It's like the whole body justneeds to repair.
And so the body makes us tiredso that we sleep, because the
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body can't repair unless we'reasleep, even if our eyes are
just open, the brain is totallyinvolved in every little motion
that the eyes are making.
So then you have these generalsymptoms, which are headaches,
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because that lesion in the brainis also healing, so it's
absorbing water, so you get kindof a full, possibly a pounding,
headache.
Not all headaches are that, butthat's part of healing specific
one.
And then you're hungry again,you're sleeping, but then you
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also get your specific symptomsare changing so that lung growth
will stop and possibly, if youhave the right organisms, you'll
actually have a lung infectionthat'll chew up these
unnecessary extra cells.
So sometimes you'll have a lungcancer healing into pneumonia.
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So it's tricky.
We never linked those twobefore and we never went oh,
this is great that you have this, you're on your way, instead of
saying, oh, my gosh, now youknow we need to.
And it's not that we wouldn'tgive antibiotics or medication,
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we do that as needed.
But we also see it in a verypositive light, which changes
how the person's going torespond to it.
Now, in the case of the joints,that when that woman had that
specific shock, the, the cellsin her joints started to to
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erode or ulcerate and it'sasymptomatic.
So when you're in the shockphase of a joint program,
self-devaluation program it'sasymptomatic, except for feeling
stress.
It's only in the healing phasethat you'll get the symptoms,
because those ulcerations in thejoints will then repair and
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they repair with inflammationTakes about six to eight weeks.
So what I told her, I said, Iexplained all of this to her and
I said just, if you'recomfortable, go off your anti
inflammatory, which she was toldshe would need for the rest of
her life.
There's no cure for this.
And she was playing golf thatsummer.
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Her hands totally healedbecause they just finished the
cycle.
There were two things that can.
There are many things, butthere are two main things that
can block the healing.
The main one is that when weget triggered back into stress
and of course when you havejoint pain, you're not
performing as well.
So you have to really get yourhead around.
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This is the good thing and Ijust have to rest my hands for a
bit so that they can healinstead of oh my God, I'm such a
klutz I can't type well so thatthat can be tricky.
It's, it's.
This isn't necessarily makemedicine easier in some
instances, but eventually thatwill stop and in certain cases
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you'll also have something, anobvious midpoint of the healing,
called an epi crisis, where thebody will have repaired enough,
and when we repair, we alsoretain water, and so there'll be
a sympathetic spike where youmight get some of your old
symptoms back, which is exactlywhat was explained in homeopathy
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the healing crisis.
And then when you get throughthat, then the body takes the
water out, so it's called thepee pee phase.
We pee out the water and thenyou go back to not leave, finish
your program, and the mainthing that we try to do is
understand exactly where insomebody's life their shocks
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occurred and how do we help, howdo we resolve, how do we think
about them so that we don't getre-triggered by those kinds of
shocks, so that we really end upwith being more resilient and
stronger on all levels.
That's the optimal.
There's the textbook process.
You know messy human beingswere rarely textbook cases.
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I know for myself.
I mean, I've known thismaterial for over 20 years and
I'm still fussing around withsome of my programs.
You know it takes time, yeah,and I have to mention so I have
a lot of sympathy for people.
You know that this is not easy.
I don't expect people first ofall to just accept this material
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and then I don't expect them toall of a sudden be able to
resolve things.
You know, people need a lot ofsupport going through this
process and there are somepeople who just get it and
they're off and running and theyneed almost no support at all
and they come back and they'recured.
So those are the people thatshow us that this is true.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Mm-hmm, yeah, and I can imagine a lot of people
needing support when they'regoing through some of those
phases and they're like what ishappening to me right now?
How is this healing?
And you?
Have the ability to walk themthrough and tell them what's
going on, I think, which wouldreally help the process for them
, but it could be hard whenthey're in the moment.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Well, the tricky thing is is that half of our
cancers are actually healing.
So one of my first patientswhen I was in, when I was first
starting to use this, had ductal, a ductal breast cancer, and
basically that responds to aseparation.
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But in the stress phase there'san ulceration in the duct and
the ductal.
What we call a cancer is just arepair phase.
So it's an overgrowth of thosecells repairing the cell loss in
the duct and stops by itself.
So we figured out her separate,the separation.
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It was really clear and Ibasically just walked her
through all the healing symptoms, especially the fatigue.
It's very scary for cancerpatients to be so tired and
sometimes you have to be in bed.
If it's a deep program it'sbeen a deep shock and sometimes
you get flus and fever.
So just had to in four monthsthat that lump was gone.
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Now it was small enough to begone.
When they're bigger they don't.
They don't heal as as nicely.
And then we have all kinds ofissues in the healing phase for
the different programs that wehave to really be clear with
people Are you ready for thissymptom and this symptom and
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this symptom?
If we go into healing we haveto be really careful with people
who are afraid of the medicalsystem and they just want to do
German medicine because theydon't want to do their treatment
.
It doesn't work.
This we need.
We're not a German medicineculture yet.
We need to have our, our safetyblankets.
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We need to work together.
This is not a standalone system.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's kind of the tough part,
like there's always a balance,especially in this in this world
.
So it's it's finding when andknowing when to integrate both,
and I think that's that's thereal part of like being a
physician too is understandingwhen to use what and then
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listening to the symptomsproperly.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Well, over over the last two decades we've made a
list of things that optimizepeople's healing and and I'll
I'll tell people you know wellthis is, this is going to
interfere.
Let's see what we can do and ifthey have too many things on
that list, I'll say we need todo both.
You need to go do your chemoand radiation and we can do this
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.
We'll do it in parallel andthat breaks my heart and it's
the most realistic thing to do.
There's no question now in mymind that sometimes we need to
do that until we're furtheralong.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, right, yeah, and I agree with that.
I wish it wasn't that way, butit is, and and knowing when and
and what they're dealing with ithas to meet with that level of
treatment too, so I'm kind ofdoing everything at once.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
The nice thing is is that I found that when people,
even though they might have todo their treatment, if they do
the inner work, the emotionalwork, they come out of it
feeling like this diagnosis hasbeen a blessing.
I would never be who I am nowwithout having had to go through
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all of this, being pushedthrough it, and that's so
rewarding.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, that that part is a really beautiful thing.
So, going into the nextquestion, did we talk about like
?
I guess I can jump into more oflike your clinical practice and
you can give us examples ofthat too, like what you've done
in clinical practice or throughthe five laws, and kind of go
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into those as well.
We can start with the five lawsand then jump into your
clinical practice.
Sure.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
So the five laws are one biological shocks create
lesions in the brain which whichtrigger a part of the body to
try and help us with the shock.
If there are too many shocks onone level of the brain, it'll
actually, instead of creatingphysical symptoms, it'll
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actually create mental, what wecall constellations to preserve
the body Otherwise we'd have toomany symptoms.
And so then we have theseconstellations which help us
compensate for the shock.
Like, let's say, there's toomuch self-devaluation will
become what we call megalomaniacI know everything, I'm good,
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I'm the best.
It's actually very common on aspectrum you know, because we
live in a world that thatpredisposes to self-devaluation.
No one's really good enough,yeah, so so the second law is
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the law of two phases.
So we have the stress phase, orlike conflict active phase.
When there's a resolution or ifthere's a resolution, you go
into the healing phase.
Sometimes you can get stuck inthe conflict active.
We call that hanging active.
It's just being stressed allthe time.
You just never get out of it,and we but people usually
downgrade it.
You know they manage it, it'sjust always there.
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In the healing phase we havemore tired symptoms, warm
symptoms might be, headaches,might be other kinds of pains,
there tends to be inflammation.
Inflammation is a healingmechanism.
So what we when, when medicine,an alternative medicine, says,
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well, inflammation is the key todisease, disease, it's not
quite right, because it's not amatter of stopping the
inflammation, it's a matter ofresolving the shock that keeps
the inflammation hanging andthen it goes by itself.
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If you just try to stop theinflammation on its own, we're
actually fighting our bodythat's trying to heal and it can
just go, just keep gettingchronic and it can get so
complicated and expensive withall these anti-inflammatories
natural and medical I rarely seethem working.
I see people on all kinds ofthings and that's one of the
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nice things that I found withGermany Medicine is, I use a
small percentage of thesupplements that I used to use,
which really makes me happy.
I don't like prescribing a lotof supplements and I've noticed
that people in a lot ofsupplements are being irritated
by them.
So we have these ways oftesting so we can decrease
people's supplements, whichthey're usually pretty happy
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about.
So the third law is forget theway he describes it, but it
correlates the kind of patternswe see in disease with where
these initial shocks hit thebrain.
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There are two main patterns.
One is the old brain, more inthe back of the brain, the
reptilian brain, more survivalkinds of issues, life and death.
That pattern is cell growth inthe active phase, like those
lung cells growing and then stopgrowth growing and possibly get
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degraded by bacteria in thehealing phase.
The new brain pattern isulceration in the stress phase
and then repair growth andinflammation in the healing
phase.
Sometimes you can have a tumoras part of that and sometimes
it's just inflammation and painlike an arthritis.
There's a third pattern whichis functional, which is like
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your diabetes your insulin goesdown and then in healing it goes
up again and also paralysis.
It's also functional, so it's amotor conflict.
You just you freeze in theconflict active and then you
have little spasms and then theygo away in the healing phase.
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And that's where you look atsomething like a Parkinson's is
a stuck motor hanging healing.
I teach Ilcidora had five curedParkinson's cases.
There was MS Consumption Armsbeing in that category as well.
So that's the third law.
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Depending on which brain levelyou can know what kind of
pattern to expect.
So then when we get a conditionso let's say somebody comes
with arthritis, we know thatthat's already in healing.
Somebody comes with a lungcancer that's growing.
We know that's inactive.
So when it's inactive we haveto do something to resolve.
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When it's in healing, we haveto explain what this means and
help them write out the healingsymptoms and also identify
triggers and resolve thetriggers or do something in
their life that doesn't exposethem to triggers.
Dr Hammer was very pro doingpractical, having practical
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solutions.
So I remember there was a storyof a man who had divorced and
every day he walked to work pasthis old house and saw his
ex-wife with the new husband andhe was triggered every day Dr
Hammer went, take a differentpath to work.
He lost a dog, get a new dogLost.
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Lose a spouse, go and get a newspouse.
Biologics, the biologicalsolutions.
So the fourth law involvesorganisms.
So Dr Hammer observed thatdifferent organisms were
involved in the healing phaseand he went so far as to say we
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only have infections inorganisms in the healing phase
because in the active phase ourcortisol is high and it protects
us against infection, which isvery interesting.
And he correlated the differentages of the organisms so that
our oldest one-celled organismsare TB, bacteria and fungi and
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those organisms would be evidentin the healing phase of old
brain programs.
So for instance, in the lungexample it would be a TB
infection that would look like apneumonia.
And so he gave the example ofafter World War I.
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It was the first war whenpeople were aware of what was
happening in the trenches and itwas such a horrendous slaughter
.
There was so much death, fear,not only of the soldiers but
also the families who could hearfrom the journalists what was
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happening.
And so after World War I therewas a big TB epidemic and that
was everybody being relievedthat the war was over.
So it's interesting to be ableto look at those things Now.
I look at that and say we stillneed to do the research.
It makes total sense to me.
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I see it in practice and weneed to still take those kinds
of things and go okay, let'sprove it.
The fifth law is that alldiseases are significant
biological programs.
They all have meaning for theperson or the species.
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So for the lung cancer, ofcourse it's trying to get more
air in.
I've had a wonderful experiencewith ovarian cancer.
So ovarian is like thetesticular program in that it
responds to loss, usually adeath, and because the
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reproductive organs correlate tothe new brain.
They have the new brain patternwhere there's an ulceration in
the organ in the stress phase.
Then the death is resolved,that organ starts to grow back,
starts to repair, and that'swhat we call an ovarian or a
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testicular cancer.
It grows for nine months, soit's in the pregnancy cycle, and
then it stops growing, itbecomes a cyst and it keeps a
high production of reproductivehormones because we want to
conceive another being.
We lost a being, we want tomake a new one.
We lost a mate, we want to besexually attractive so we can
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attract another mate.
So it fits somehow in some way.
And some of the programs aren'tas clear, and so we go back to
possible stories which may ormay not be true, we really don't
know.
But there are typical Germanmedicine stories.
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So, for instance, abandonmentor existence fear have the same
organ, the kidney, and whathappens is that the kidney tube
will shut down and retain waterand the story is that it helps
us get back to our tribe, thatwe have water and we won't
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dehydrate, I guess on the wayback to the tribe.
So I don't know if that storyis true, but I know that when we
have people go into thehospital and they don't have
their family there and they'refrightened for their existence.
That's when the kidney tubewill kicks in, and in regular
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research 70% of cancer deathsare from kidney failure.
That's that pattern.
And so we have a story where wehave we have it several times
actually, but one in particularwhere a woman was in the
hospital.
Just she had three cancers.
She was healing them quite well.
She was exhausted.
It was too hot outside go tothe hospital.
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They have air conditioning.
Nobody was able to go with her.
So the nurses were saying oh,if you got all your affairs in
order.
She said oh, no, I'm here, I'mworking with a naturopath there.
Of course she's just takingyour money, you are dying.
And they was just over it.
She told us she was dying.
So then she calls me and I canbarely understand her, because
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her lungs have filled with water, because Dr Hammer noticed a
certain pattern that when youhave these existing spheres in
the kidneys shut down, the waterwill go specifically to the
areas that are healing.
Those areas are already holdingwater, so it's kind of doubling
the water.
So her lungs are obviouslyhealing.
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She had stopped coughing, shehad.
All her lung symptoms were gone.
So then you could hear thewater coming through her throat.
So I just calmly said it's okay,you're not dying, I'm going to
send your family in, just hangtight.
So I call her family.
I said this is what's happeningwe have.
I've talked to you, but Iprepare families for this
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because it's very common.
I said go in, just reassure her, she'll be fine.
The next morning I get a callfrom her Hi, how are you doing?
Water all gone.
So I go and visit her in thehospital and the nurses take me
aside and they go.
What did she do?
We always lose people withinhours of that point.
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What did you do so it?
You know it all fits to.
You know you can, it's coming.
All these pieces are like thisbig puzzle We'll be able to do
things we couldn't believe wecould do.
I mean, I've seen dementiapatients, you know, reverse
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through using this.
Now, not all can and maybe notmany can, but when you see even
one reverse, you go okay, thisis possible.
Same, there was the same kindof pattern abandonment and then
the brain holding too much water, which is kid, just couldn't
think straight, diagnosed withdementia, came out of where they
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felt abandoned and everythingcleared, totally normal, so lots
.
So this is what teaches me.
These stories are what teachesme.
I will do nothing based on thetheory if it doesn't work in
practice, and this has shown me,my patients have shown me over
and over and over again.
I'm still astounded at what Isee 20 years in Right.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yeah, it seems like one of the most important things
is just counseling them throughthese phases if they're in that
time, so you're not triggeringthem more.
About calming them down and youcan't always do it, and you
can't always do it.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Sometimes you'll get people who are absolutely not
able to do this and then we losethem.
I mean, most of the people thatwe lose are palliative and
expected to die, but I've seenenough palliative people pull
out that I take them anyway,like, okay, let's give this a
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try.
You know, and we do a lot ofdeath work, so we really really
help people make peace withdying.
We help families make peacewith dying.
I don't charge for that.
It's a beautiful part of mywork, it's a sacred part, yeah.
So even if I can't help themsurvive, I just feel like, from
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a spiritual perspective, dyingwell is one of the best things
we can do in this human body.
I don't have any particularspiritual path at the moment,
just studied lots of differentthings.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
That's a powerful part, so it's amazing you're
doing that work too.
It's hard work also, but verybeautiful.
I love it.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
It's not hard at all for me.
Yeah, when I lost my husband, Idon't know, this is too much of
a tangent.
That's a whole other story.
I'll get sidetracked.
I'll stop right there, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Now, I understand that point too in the deeper
sense.
So can you give us some moreexamples in your own knowledge
or clinical practice ordifferent interesting cases
you've had?
And also something that I'minterested in is once you find
that issue, how do they go aboutresolving it too?
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Is it just they recognize itand it removes?
Tell us a little bit about thattoo, because I'm not interested
in that process.
Let's start with that, OK let'sstart with that.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
So there's a huge spectrum, I think, in most
things with medicine, where youget the textbook cases, which
are easy, and then you getimpossible cases.
So when you have people whohave had recent shocks, then
there are people who are fairlybalanced in their ego.
You know they have work, theyfeel pretty good about
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themselves, they might have agood relationship, they had a
good family background.
Those are fairly easy toresolve and what we do is we use
the premise of somatic therapy.
We use the premise that theseshocks are stuck in our bodies,
that you can if you want to talkabout your shocks from here on,
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you can do therapy for decadesand you can manage them.
They'll still be there,triggerable, but if you can
breathe into them, if you canuse EFT, which is tapping on
acupuncture points, emdr, whichis eye movements, I mean the
whole somatic field hasmushroomed.
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I mean I usually refer for thiskind of deep work where people
have had deep traumas.
They usually need to do somaticwork for a while and it's a
matter of feeling safe in theirbodies.
And how do we help people feelsafe?
I'm still doing my own traumawork, so I don't do trauma work
with people.
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But I've seen people resolvethings in one visit easy, and
I've seen people who could notresolve.
It was too painful to go there.
They would rather die Becauseit would just blow all their
fuses.
It's just like searing pain,like touching a hot iron.
You cannot do this and I knowthat from the inside out because
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I used to be like that.
I couldn't touch my own pain.
It's taken me decades to beable to.
So, again, I have a hugesympathy for that.
There's no blame.
It's just sometimes too hard.
It's like taking somebody tothe gym and say, ok, lift that
500-weight pound-weight.
You can't do it.
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Those of us who have spent thefirst half of our lives avoiding
our pain lost those muscles.
We didn't develop emotionalresilience.
We have to develop it Inside.
It's not realistic sometimes,and maybe even often, because we
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live in a culture of how areyou, I'm fine, nothing else.
Everything gets shoved.
We get people who have no ideawhat's down there.
I run a group twice a month tojust practice healing work, and
in my last group I had thevisual experience.
I had the visualization.
Ok, it's like going into ajungle.
You're actually disoriented,you can't even make sense of
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what's up or down, it's all justdark with scary noises.
So I think that we as a healingcommunity need to really work
on how to make this morepossible, how to make this
easier, how to make thisrealistic, how to make it fun,
(47:47):
how to make it going to the gymand lifting weights fun yeah so.
And then there's also thesituation where sometimes you
can't find the shock.
So then, but of course, by thesymptoms or by your condition,
you know what kind of shock tolook for the brain lesion, the
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condition and the shock arealways the same.
According to the Germanymedicine and I always say that
according to new medicine,germany medicine, we're looking
for this.
I will never say, I'll neverplay God and say this is for
sure, even though I might feelit, it's not our reality yet.
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So I need to be careful withthat.
You're to give people room forthinking differently.
I don't want to put them intothat box.
If they don't want to go there,it doesn't work, so they have
to see things for themselves.
So so, basically, if somebody,let's say, has the joint pain,
they somehow had a devaluationrelated to performance and they
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can't remember that and we justlook at what are the current
triggers that make you feel bad.
The current trigger might be thepain in the hand.
So then we work with what's nowin those same thematic ways
cognitive ways, using tapping,using breathing, learning how to
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talk to ourselves in adifferent way.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah, that's really powerful.
And I wonder if some of theseshocks happened during childhood
, where they suppressed thememories, or it was so early on
that they don't even know reallywhere it came from.
Then I guess you would go andlook at the current triggers or
try to do.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
Well, I have an interesting story about
suppressing shocks.
Had somebody come in in their20s, a young man, who had
psoriatic arthritis, which is anold person's disease, and as a
naturopath I'm looking for cause.
This was before I knew Germanymedicine and there was nothing
Like he was totally healthyexcept for the psoriatic
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arthritis and I thought there'sa trauma in there.
I said where are your traumas?
He said I have no traumas.
I have this great family, Ilove my work, I have a great
group of friends.
What I don't think I believeyou.
So I treated himsymptomatically with homeopathy
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and six months in like once amonth, I'd say you don't
remember anything.
Six months in, he comes in.
He's white as a sheet and I'mthinking, finally something's
coming up.
He said I saw him yesterday.
He said tell me, the guy whobeat me up, how old were you?
14.
The guy went to jail, there wasa court case.
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He didn't remember.
10 years later, Six months inhim, that was a huge, huge
lesson for me.
My hair still stands on endwhen I think of that.
How well we can suppress thingswhen they're that painful.
Yeah, so then, knowing that I'mvery gentle.
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So then we have to be careful.
If the shock isn't forthcoming,maybe we just need to just
dance around it for a while,make the person feel safer and
safer and kind of we call itdowngrade, and then the healing
symptoms are much easier as well.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Yeah, yeah, you have some amazing stories and a lot
of very interesting cases whenit comes to drug and new
medicine.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah, I'm amazed.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
And it seems like, yeah, you have to work a lot as
an investigator too to try toget those things out of people
and find the source when you can.
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Well, one of my most satisfying cases these days is a
middle-aged man with the samekind of brain cancer that killed
my husband and my sister and mymother glioblastoma.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
Okay, and that's what my father had too.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Okay.
So he came and he'd already hadall kinds of treatment and been
basically been given uppalliative.
So when I explained the Germanmedicine aspect got it
immediately said I'm getting outof this.
So we've been working togetherto clarify the shock, make sure
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there aren't triggers and very,very gradually help him get off
his steroids, but so graduallythat his body's you know to
allow, because when the bodypart is healing, just to say
again, it's going to hold water.
So of course in this closedcavity that is going to trigger
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all kinds of pain which triggersfear, which triggers more water
through the kidney tubule,existence, fear and we lose
people.
So we went through all of that,explained all of that, how
we're going to go so slowly thatwe're not going to trigger that
.
So it's been six months almostoff the steroids.
There's no symptoms.
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I'm just we're not through yet.
We're not through.
But I am so hopeful Because wejust needed one glioblastoma
case using German medicine.
There are other people who'vehealed glioblastoma in using
different things, but of courseyou can use other things.
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If you're using something like,let's say, a keto diet and you
really have a lot of faith in itand you kind of relax around
that it's going to allow thebrain to heal.
You can use anything.
It's a placebo, because noteverybody otherwise everybody
who had glioblastoma would healwith the keto diet.
They don't.
It's a small percentage.
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So now we can understand and wecan understand how to use
plashebos for people.
If it's too much to go, germanmedicine you can use.
I mean, use an obviouslyindigene, dedicated therapy, the
product, but in the back ofyour mind you're going just need
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to relax into this.
You're different, use a lot ofpositive feedback and you're
getting them through the healingprocess and be notes to them,
using also the German medicineprinciples.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Right.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
And you're doing valid therapy.
You're doing exactly what,maybe with a few less
supplements.
A few fewer supplements.
And now we don't have to do thediet quite as I mean.
The diet in German medicine isbased a basic, healthy, balanced
diet.
Nothing rigid, no coffee enemas, no juice fasts no, except for
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small periods of time, not forthese long stretches.
People get totally depleted.
You need more protein.
When you're healing, I oftenput vegetarians.
I'll say can you eat meat for awhile?
I like vegetarian diet andtribes.
When people were sick, we eatorgan meats.
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So, and I'm sure that as we getbetter at this, we'll also be
able to find ways to do this andstay vegetarian.
So it's all to be, all to befigured out Right, but great.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Yeah, I know I could listen to your stories all day
long.
It's really interesting and Ithink it's just.
It's such an important elementto reframe people's thinking and
to tie the emotions and thebody together because they're
deeply connected.
They're not separate entitieswhere you treat differently and
address one and address theother, because it's so clear how
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deep everything is, whetherit's them thinking that this is
going to work and so it works,with the placebo, or having
emotions and causing so manydifferent things.
So, yeah, I think German NewMedicine has a lot of potential
in treatment for sure.
Well, thank you very much todayand thank you so much for
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sharing.
It was a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
Yeah, you're a wonderful interviewer.
We're looking forward to this.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
Yeah, thank you so much, and we're be sure to put
up your website and all yourinformation too, so everyone can
find you and reach out as well,sure.
Speaker 3 (56:48):
Yeah, okay, thank you very much.
Thank you, bye, bye.
Welcome to the podcast Medicine Untold and come
with me on a journey to theunexplored side of medicine,
where we speak with rebeldoctors, radical herbalists,
unorthodox healers and patientswho have healed themselves.
Explore the intersectionbetween science and spirituality
and discover the power withinyou.
(00:26):
I'm your host, dr MichelleBerklin, licensed naturopathic
doctor, botanical outcomist andpracticing physician.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Welcome everyone.
Today we have Dr CatherineWillow with us.
Welcome, catherine.
Dr Willow is a fourthgeneration naturopathic doctor
with over four decades ofexperience.
She is the founder and directorof Carpridge Eco Wellness
Center near Ottawa, canada,which encompasses 190 acres and
(01:01):
hosts North America's firstforest school.
The focus of the center is aholistic mind-body medicine
clinic and programs that teachhealing principles.
Dr Willow integrates German newmedicine, or GNM, into her
practice.
In this new paradigm, one canconnect biological shocks with
conditions and determine whethera person's symptoms are the
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stress or in the stress orhealing phase.
Her current goal is to developone of the best mind-body
medicine clinics on the planet.
Dr Willow integrates DrHammer's discoveries about how
we get sick and how we heal withnaturopathic medicine, ayurveda
and mainstream diagnostics andtreatments in the context of
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spiritual principles to createeffective and realistic healing
programs.
Thank you so much, dr Willow,for coming on today.
I'm excited to hear so muchmore about mind-body medicine.
I feel that my beliefs and theway I want to practice is very
in tune with this.
Getting more information outthere of German new medicine, I
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think, is an amazing thing to dofor our audience today, so
welcome.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Great.
Thank you for inviting me.
I'll just preface this bysaying that I think that this
material is like the world isround and not flat for medicine.
That's how big it is, becauseit brings new principles of
healing that help us understandhow to use what we already know
better, exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Exactly so.
Tell us a little bit about whatled you to the path of becoming
a naturopathic doctor, whatinspired you to follow this
medicine from the people in yourfamily that really went before
you also.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
You're going to laugh , because as a teen I practiced
with my grandmother and thenwith my aunt, who were
naturopaths in Germany.
My grandmother was also amedical doctor and my aunt went.
I remember being with my auntand a man came in with a blood
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clot in his leg.
So she sent me off to thepharmacy for a leech and she
probably explained that theleech is injecting blood
thinners directly into the clotso it can get more blood and
then it takes three days for aleech to dissolve the blood clot
(03:33):
, versus six weeks with themedication Interesting.
So those are the kinds of thingsthat I was introduced to with
by my family and I hated it.
I thought I'm never going to do, I'm not going to sit and
listen to sick people all day,and I promptly went off and
started to study Montessoriteacher training and that at
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that point was also strugglingwith my own health issues and
burnt out and didn't finish thepracticum.
Then my father said you need togo back to school and study
something proper.
So I hit the bullet and appliedto naturopathic college rather
reluctantly and was accepted,and even third year I wanted to,
(04:22):
I wanted to bail, I was nothappy and it took me about five
or six years in practice beforeit turned 180 degrees to.
I love this and I haven'tlooked back since it.
I mean, I'm in my mid sixtiesnow and I'm just euphoric about
getting out of bed and doingthis work.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, that's amazing, like you bought it for a while
but you can't buy destiny.
So tell us a little bit moreabout how you found German new
medicine and what interests youin that, because that's I like.
For me, I didn't actually evenlearn about it until I was
living in Europe and somebodywas telling me about it, and
(05:05):
that's how I kind of starteddigging initially.
But I think it's an importantthing to bring to all the people
here.
So tell us a little bit abouthow you found it.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah Well, it originated in a little bit of
tragedy in that my secondhusband was diagnosed with three
brain tumors and we I didn'tknow German medicine at the time
and of course had this image ofthese tumors eating out his
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brain and we just went frantic,we were so afraid and we finally
did a seven hour brain surgery.
And then after that, one of mypatients brought me Hummer's
first book.
It said you have to promise meto read this.
And we were on our way toGermany.
We went for treatments there aswell and I remember cracking
(05:58):
that book at one o'clock in themorning and realizing this is
not a product, it's not atherapy, it's a whole new way of
looking at disease and it'swhat we've been missing.
This, this is why we're nothaving success with cancer.
And we landed and I hit the roadlooking for Dr Hummer's a
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connection, and we sent himMickey's brain cat scans and had
a phone appointment and he toldus Mickey's tumors were related
to certain organs and certainshocks.
So we knew the first two washeart and kidney.
But then he said he also hassomething with his left testicle
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and you probably won't knowthis, and it's some cell loss.
And we there were no symptomsof any of that and I think
Mickey was a bit offended.
But after we lost Mickey, I hadan autopsy done and it showed
the heart condition condition,the kidney condition and a
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totally disintegrated lefttesticle, and that pushed me
into studying this mysteriouswell, it wasn't mysterious.
This set of principles that mayactually made a lot of sense to
me even then, and I rememberhaving seven pages of every line
(07:23):
of questions and after a year,most of those questions were
answered and I was blown away bywhat I was hearing from other
practitioners and teachers,mainly El Sador Laker, and
started using it in my practiceand was purpley blown away by
what I was seeing, sometimespalliative cancer patients
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healing in one visit just byreframing what they were going
through, understanding it in adifferent way and then writing
it.
So by 2017, I published my bookwith cases saying we need to use
this, let's do some research,let's confirm this, let's let's
integrate this into into ourregular medicine.
(08:07):
And it's still the track on one.
I mean it doesn't benefit thatmany people yet because it's so
opposite to what we think weknow about disease that most
people can't do it.
They're too afraid, and it'sunderstandable.
We didn't make it.
I didn't do it well either atthe beginning.
It was just too off, toodifferent.
But now it's like I've beendoing it for 20 years or more
(08:32):
and it's just like breathing.
It makes so much sense, so I'mmuch more comfortable with it
now.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, and that's.
It's a very powerful story too,how it really found you and
then how you saw the results andreally, yeah, I think it's.
I think it's pretty amazing toothat then you're trying to
prove the results and showeveryone else really the power
of it.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, on documenting everything.
So, and this fall, I hope tostart reaching out to local
medical doctors and looking fordoctors who are holistic and are
looking for this material.
I'm not going to not going totry and beat on any walls and
just want to find people whowant to do this and yeah, once
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we get a few, I mean, it wouldbe very easy to research.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, and I think one of the hurdles of overcoming it
too is when a patient relatesemotions to diseases, they think
like they are to blame versustaking responsibility and going
deeper.
And so it's changing that mindframe too and removing the guilt
or removing the blame and justgoing, going into it and not
being afraid to go into it aswell.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, I think that when the practitioner doesn't
blame, when the patient reallyfeels the sympathy practitioner
has, they can, they don't haveto go into that blame.
It's how it's how we describeit, how we frame it.
It goes a long way to how theperson is going to take it.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Exactly, exactly.
So can you tell our audienceyou know a little bit more about
the history behind German NewMedicine, about Dr Hammer and
really kind of what hediscovered to him?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, I can.
So his, his origin stories alsorooted in trauma.
He lost his youngest son to ashooting accident and after he
died, dr Hammer developed lefttesticular cancer and he had
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been perfectly healthy.
So made the connection thatthis trauma is related to my
cancer, which is not new.
We already were looking at that.
I mean, we have been for ages.
There's all kinds of researchthat shows that that's true.
But he went a step further.
He said I'm perceiving thistrauma with my mind and I've got
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something in my body.
Might we see something in a CATscan that gives us clues?
So he was working on a cancerward in Munich in a hospital and
he started taking brain CATscans of all of his cancer
patients and he started to seethese rings.
Now I don't know if you'll beable to see them.
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I show you Should.
I try, yeah we can give it a try, because because these rings
had been seen for decades andradiologists used to think that
they were reflections, so let'ssee there.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Oh, yeah, yeah, no, that shows up.
Well, we can see that there.
That's great.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
So I just like to prepared for that.
So.
But he saw those rings in thesame place for every cancer.
So he went to Siemens, the CATscan manufacturer, and he said I
think these rings are actuallynot reflections, but that
they're lesions.
And they proved that they were.
And so we have that letter.
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And so then what he did?
He started observing all hispatients and finding out what
kinds of traumas had happened,and found out that there were
similar traumas for each kind ofcancer.
And so that led to his firstlaw, the iron rule of cancer,
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that there was always apredisposing trauma, which he
would call a biological shock.
And then, as he observed longer, he noticed hundreds of new
principles of how we get sickand how we heal, and that's the
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material that we call Germanymedicine.
But it's huge.
I mean, it's like relearningmedicine.
Yeah, so he's noticed all kindsof patterns, so I'll let you
keep asking you questions, sure,sure.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
So one of the most basic premises in German new
medicine is that most conditionsare physical responses to
biological shocks in an attemptto help us survive.
So can you tell us more aboutwhat exactly biological shocks
are and how you would go aboutlinking them to a condition to
Good?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
question.
So biological shock, bydefinition, is an event that
triggers our fight or flightresponse, our survival response,
and they're not only physical.
Our mental diseases can also beunderstood in this way, which
is very interesting and gives alot of promise to mental
disorders that we haven't beenable to solve.
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And so what happens?
I think I'll leave it at that.
So Dr Hammer emphasized thatit's the worst when an event is
unexpected and sudden.
We haven't been able to preparefor it cognitively.
It's almost like our primalbody, self, reacts to it and
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it's trying to help us with thisevent.
So, for instance, if it's adeath fright, so we're told okay
, so you have a month to live.
So what happens is that thelungs will grow more lung cells
to absorb more oxygen to help ussurvive.
That's what we call it, thelung program in Germany medicine
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.
In regular medicine this iscalled a lung cancer, and I'll
have a story at the end aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Interesting.
So it's more the unprepared,the real shocks, wherever that
could be, where there's noinformation beforehand and then
it just hits and then thatreally creates that deep shock
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in the body, whatever that couldbe.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
So first you suddenly lose a job, your spouse
suddenly leaves, somebodysuddenly dies.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, yeah, and he I mean, it seemed like he really
figured that out in his own lifetoo, having such an intense
shock.
He went down that road.
So the second premise is thatfor each condition triggered by
shock there are two phasesactive and healing with
completely different symptoms ineach phase.
So can you tell us more aboutthese phases involved in German
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New Medicine and then what youmight notice in a person during
both of those phases?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
This is a core of German New Medicine and it's and
again this is where it startsbecoming counterintuitive.
The first law isn't that hardto understand, the second law.
So what happens is that whenthere's a shock we get plummeted
into sympathetic nervous system, fight or flight and we'll have
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two sets of symptoms general,general shock symptoms, which
are cold hands and feet.
We won't sleep well, we mightlose our appetite and we'll be
consumed by the shock.
We might want to isolate justin shock mode.
That's, those are the generalsymptoms.
But then there's also onespecific thing that's responding
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to the specific shock.
So in the death right situationit would be those lung cells
Specifically, although youwouldn't notice them at first.
Often you won't notice thespecific symptoms when you're in
the shock phase.
You're mostly just noticed thatyou're stressed, because the
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specific symptoms can be quitevarying.
But there are two generalcategories of specific symptoms.
One is cell growth, like thislung situation, but the other
one is cell loss, like in ajoint Joints, respond to
self-devaluation.
So I had a woman who high level, very competent employee in the
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government and she, out of theblue, got a bad performance
review.
Now performance relates tohands and what happened is that
she ended up having arthritis inher hands, so badly that she
couldn't play golf anymore.
And so when I hold her, this isusually performance she said oh
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, I know the shock, but here'sthe kicker.
You have the second phase,which starts when we resolve the
shock.
So in the example of the lungprogram or lung cancer, when
we're over, when we're notafraid anymore, when that's done
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, these cells will stop growing.
It's not as we imagine thatcancer is just a straightforward
street.
It totally responds to ourpsyche and also.
So then you're having alsogeneral healing symptoms, and in
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the healing phase we're inparasympathetic nervous systems.
We have two nervous systems,ones for stress, ones for
relaxation, rest, restore.
So when we're inparasympathetic we have a whole
different set of symptoms.
We're warm, possibly fevers, wemight have headaches.
The biggest thing about thehealing symptoms, the general
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ones, is that we're tired.
You can imagine that we'restressed for a long time, stress
, stress, stress, and that thecortisol makes us hyper, gets us
through the stress and all of asudden the stress is over.
It's like the whole body justneeds to repair.
And so the body makes us tiredso that we sleep, because the
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body can't repair unless we'reasleep, even if our eyes are
just open, the brain is totallyinvolved in every little motion
that the eyes are making.
So then you have these generalsymptoms, which are headaches,
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because that lesion in the brainis also healing, so it's
absorbing water, so you get kindof a full, possibly a pounding,
headache.
Not all headaches are that, butthat's part of healing specific
one.
And then you're hungry again,you're sleeping, but then you
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also get your specific symptomsare changing so that lung growth
will stop and possibly, if youhave the right organisms, you'll
actually have a lung infectionthat'll chew up these
unnecessary extra cells.
So sometimes you'll have a lungcancer healing into pneumonia.
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So it's tricky.
We never linked those twobefore and we never went oh,
this is great that you have this, you're on your way, instead of
saying, oh, my gosh, now youknow we need to.
And it's not that we wouldn'tgive antibiotics or medication,
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we do that as needed.
But we also see it in a verypositive light, which changes
how the person's going torespond to it.
Now, in the case of the joints,that when that woman had that
specific shock, the, the cellsin her joints started to to
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erode or ulcerate and it'sasymptomatic.
So when you're in the shockphase of a joint program,
self-devaluation program it'sasymptomatic, except for feeling
stress.
It's only in the healing phasethat you'll get the symptoms,
because those ulcerations in thejoints will then repair and
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they repair with inflammationTakes about six to eight weeks.
So what I told her, I said, Iexplained all of this to her and
I said just, if you'recomfortable, go off your anti
inflammatory, which she was toldshe would need for the rest of
her life.
There's no cure for this.
And she was playing golf thatsummer.
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Her hands totally healedbecause they just finished the
cycle.
There were two things that can.
There are many things, butthere are two main things that
can block the healing.
The main one is that when weget triggered back into stress
and of course when you havejoint pain, you're not
performing as well.
So you have to really get yourhead around.
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This is the good thing and Ijust have to rest my hands for a
bit so that they can healinstead of oh my God, I'm such a
klutz I can't type well so thatthat can be tricky.
It's, it's.
This isn't necessarily makemedicine easier in some
instances, but eventually thatwill stop and in certain cases
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you'll also have something, anobvious midpoint of the healing,
called an epi crisis, where thebody will have repaired enough,
and when we repair, we alsoretain water, and so there'll be
a sympathetic spike where youmight get some of your old
symptoms back, which is exactlywhat was explained in homeopathy
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the healing crisis.
And then when you get throughthat, then the body takes the
water out, so it's called thepee pee phase.
We pee out the water and thenyou go back to not leave, finish
your program, and the mainthing that we try to do is
understand exactly where insomebody's life their shocks
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occurred and how do we help, howdo we resolve, how do we think
about them so that we don't getre-triggered by those kinds of
shocks, so that we really end upwith being more resilient and
stronger on all levels.
That's the optimal.
There's the textbook process.
You know messy human beingswere rarely textbook cases.
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I know for myself.
I mean, I've known thismaterial for over 20 years and
I'm still fussing around withsome of my programs.
You know it takes time, yeah,and I have to mention so I have
a lot of sympathy for people.
You know that this is not easy.
I don't expect people first ofall to just accept this material
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and then I don't expect them toall of a sudden be able to
resolve things.
You know, people need a lot ofsupport going through this
process and there are somepeople who just get it and
they're off and running and theyneed almost no support at all
and they come back and they'recured.
So those are the people thatshow us that this is true.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Mm-hmm, yeah, and I can imagine a lot of people
needing support when they'regoing through some of those
phases and they're like what ishappening to me right now?
How is this healing?
And you?
Have the ability to walk themthrough and tell them what's
going on, I think, which wouldreally help the process for them
, but it could be hard whenthey're in the moment.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Well, the tricky thing is is that half of our
cancers are actually healing.
So one of my first patientswhen I was in, when I was first
starting to use this, had ductal, a ductal breast cancer, and
basically that responds to aseparation.
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But in the stress phase there'san ulceration in the duct and
the ductal.
What we call a cancer is just arepair phase.
So it's an overgrowth of thosecells repairing the cell loss in
the duct and stops by itself.
So we figured out her separate,the separation.
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It was really clear and Ibasically just walked her
through all the healing symptoms, especially the fatigue.
It's very scary for cancerpatients to be so tired and
sometimes you have to be in bed.
If it's a deep program it'sbeen a deep shock and sometimes
you get flus and fever.
So just had to in four monthsthat that lump was gone.
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Now it was small enough to begone.
When they're bigger they don't.
They don't heal as as nicely.
And then we have all kinds ofissues in the healing phase for
the different programs that wehave to really be clear with
people Are you ready for thissymptom and this symptom and
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this symptom?
If we go into healing we haveto be really careful with people
who are afraid of the medicalsystem and they just want to do
German medicine because theydon't want to do their treatment
.
It doesn't work.
This we need.
We're not a German medicineculture yet.
We need to have our, our safetyblankets.
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We need to work together.
This is not a standalone system.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's kind of the tough part,
like there's always a balance,especially in this in this world
.
So it's it's finding when andknowing when to integrate both,
and I think that's that's thereal part of like being a
physician too is understandingwhen to use what and then
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listening to the symptomsproperly.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Well, over over the last two decades we've made a
list of things that optimizepeople's healing and and I'll
I'll tell people you know wellthis is, this is going to
interfere.
Let's see what we can do and ifthey have too many things on
that list, I'll say we need todo both.
You need to go do your chemoand radiation and we can do this
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.
We'll do it in parallel andthat breaks my heart and it's
the most realistic thing to do.
There's no question now in mymind that sometimes we need to
do that until we're furtheralong.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, right, yeah, and I agree with that.
I wish it wasn't that way, butit is, and and knowing when and
and what they're dealing with ithas to meet with that level of
treatment too, so I'm kind ofdoing everything at once.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
The nice thing is is that I found that when people,
even though they might have todo their treatment, if they do
the inner work, the emotionalwork, they come out of it
feeling like this diagnosis hasbeen a blessing.
I would never be who I am nowwithout having had to go through
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all of this, being pushedthrough it, and that's so
rewarding.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, that that part is a really beautiful thing.
So, going into the nextquestion, did we talk about like
?
I guess I can jump into more oflike your clinical practice and
you can give us examples ofthat too, like what you've done
in clinical practice or throughthe five laws, and kind of go
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into those as well.
We can start with the five lawsand then jump into your
clinical practice.
Sure.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
So the five laws are one biological shocks create
lesions in the brain which whichtrigger a part of the body to
try and help us with the shock.
If there are too many shocks onone level of the brain, it'll
actually, instead of creatingphysical symptoms, it'll
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actually create mental, what wecall constellations to preserve
the body Otherwise we'd have toomany symptoms.
And so then we have theseconstellations which help us
compensate for the shock.
Like, let's say, there's toomuch self-devaluation will
become what we call megalomaniacI know everything, I'm good,
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I'm the best.
It's actually very common on aspectrum you know, because we
live in a world that thatpredisposes to self-devaluation.
No one's really good enough,yeah, so so the second law is
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the law of two phases.
So we have the stress phase, orlike conflict active phase.
When there's a resolution or ifthere's a resolution, you go
into the healing phase.
Sometimes you can get stuck inthe conflict active.
We call that hanging active.
It's just being stressed allthe time.
You just never get out of it,and we but people usually
downgrade it.
You know they manage it, it'sjust always there.
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In the healing phase we havemore tired symptoms, warm
symptoms might be, headaches,might be other kinds of pains,
there tends to be inflammation.
Inflammation is a healingmechanism.
So what we when, when medicine,an alternative medicine, says,
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well, inflammation is the key todisease, disease, it's not
quite right, because it's not amatter of stopping the
inflammation, it's a matter ofresolving the shock that keeps
the inflammation hanging andthen it goes by itself.
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If you just try to stop theinflammation on its own, we're
actually fighting our bodythat's trying to heal and it can
just go, just keep gettingchronic and it can get so
complicated and expensive withall these anti-inflammatories
natural and medical I rarely seethem working.
I see people on all kinds ofthings and that's one of the
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nice things that I found withGermany Medicine is, I use a
small percentage of thesupplements that I used to use,
which really makes me happy.
I don't like prescribing a lotof supplements and I've noticed
that people in a lot ofsupplements are being irritated
by them.
So we have these ways oftesting so we can decrease
people's supplements, whichthey're usually pretty happy
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about.
So the third law is forget theway he describes it, but it
correlates the kind of patternswe see in disease with where
these initial shocks hit thebrain.
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There are two main patterns.
One is the old brain, more inthe back of the brain, the
reptilian brain, more survivalkinds of issues, life and death.
That pattern is cell growth inthe active phase, like those
lung cells growing and then stopgrowth growing and possibly get
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degraded by bacteria in thehealing phase.
The new brain pattern isulceration in the stress phase
and then repair growth andinflammation in the healing
phase.
Sometimes you can have a tumoras part of that and sometimes
it's just inflammation and painlike an arthritis.
There's a third pattern whichis functional, which is like
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your diabetes your insulin goesdown and then in healing it goes
up again and also paralysis.
It's also functional, so it's amotor conflict.
You just you freeze in theconflict active and then you
have little spasms and then theygo away in the healing phase.
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And that's where you look atsomething like a Parkinson's is
a stuck motor hanging healing.
I teach Ilcidora had five curedParkinson's cases.
There was MS Consumption Armsbeing in that category as well.
So that's the third law.
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Depending on which brain levelyou can know what kind of
pattern to expect.
So then when we get a conditionso let's say somebody comes
with arthritis, we know thatthat's already in healing.
Somebody comes with a lungcancer that's growing.
We know that's inactive.
So when it's inactive we haveto do something to resolve.
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When it's in healing, we haveto explain what this means and
help them write out the healingsymptoms and also identify
triggers and resolve thetriggers or do something in
their life that doesn't exposethem to triggers.
Dr Hammer was very pro doingpractical, having practical
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solutions.
So I remember there was a storyof a man who had divorced and
every day he walked to work pasthis old house and saw his
ex-wife with the new husband andhe was triggered every day Dr
Hammer went, take a differentpath to work.
He lost a dog, get a new dogLost.
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Lose a spouse, go and get a newspouse.
Biologics, the biologicalsolutions.
So the fourth law involvesorganisms.
So Dr Hammer observed thatdifferent organisms were
involved in the healing phaseand he went so far as to say we
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only have infections inorganisms in the healing phase
because in the active phase ourcortisol is high and it protects
us against infection, which isvery interesting.
And he correlated the differentages of the organisms so that
our oldest one-celled organismsare TB, bacteria and fungi and
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those organisms would be evidentin the healing phase of old
brain programs.
So for instance, in the lungexample it would be a TB
infection that would look like apneumonia.
And so he gave the example ofafter World War I.
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It was the first war whenpeople were aware of what was
happening in the trenches and itwas such a horrendous slaughter
.
There was so much death, fear,not only of the soldiers but
also the families who could hearfrom the journalists what was
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happening.
And so after World War I therewas a big TB epidemic and that
was everybody being relievedthat the war was over.
So it's interesting to be ableto look at those things Now.
I look at that and say we stillneed to do the research.
It makes total sense to me.
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I see it in practice and weneed to still take those kinds
of things and go okay, let'sprove it.
The fifth law is that alldiseases are significant
biological programs.
They all have meaning for theperson or the species.
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So for the lung cancer, ofcourse it's trying to get more
air in.
I've had a wonderful experiencewith ovarian cancer.
So ovarian is like thetesticular program in that it
responds to loss, usually adeath, and because the
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reproductive organs correlate tothe new brain.
They have the new brain patternwhere there's an ulceration in
the organ in the stress phase.
Then the death is resolved,that organ starts to grow back,
starts to repair, and that'swhat we call an ovarian or a
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testicular cancer.
It grows for nine months, soit's in the pregnancy cycle, and
then it stops growing, itbecomes a cyst and it keeps a
high production of reproductivehormones because we want to
conceive another being.
We lost a being, we want tomake a new one.
We lost a mate, we want to besexually attractive so we can
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attract another mate.
So it fits somehow in some way.
And some of the programs aren'tas clear, and so we go back to
possible stories which may ormay not be true, we really don't
know.
But there are typical Germanmedicine stories.
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So, for instance, abandonmentor existence fear have the same
organ, the kidney, and whathappens is that the kidney tube
will shut down and retain waterand the story is that it helps
us get back to our tribe, thatwe have water and we won't
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dehydrate, I guess on the wayback to the tribe.
So I don't know if that storyis true, but I know that when we
have people go into thehospital and they don't have
their family there and they'refrightened for their existence.
That's when the kidney tubewill kicks in, and in regular
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research 70% of cancer deathsare from kidney failure.
That's that pattern.
And so we have a story where wehave we have it several times
actually, but one in particularwhere a woman was in the
hospital.
Just she had three cancers.
She was healing them quite well.
She was exhausted.
It was too hot outside go tothe hospital.
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They have air conditioning.
Nobody was able to go with her.
So the nurses were saying oh,if you got all your affairs in
order.
She said oh, no, I'm here, I'mworking with a naturopath there.
Of course she's just takingyour money, you are dying.
And they was just over it.
She told us she was dying.
So then she calls me and I canbarely understand her, because
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her lungs have filled with water, because Dr Hammer noticed a
certain pattern that when youhave these existing spheres in
the kidneys shut down, the waterwill go specifically to the
areas that are healing.
Those areas are already holdingwater, so it's kind of doubling
the water.
So her lungs are obviouslyhealing.
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She had stopped coughing, shehad.
All her lung symptoms were gone.
So then you could hear thewater coming through her throat.
So I just calmly said it's okay,you're not dying, I'm going to
send your family in, just hangtight.
So I call her family.
I said this is what's happeningwe have.
I've talked to you, but Iprepare families for this
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because it's very common.
I said go in, just reassure her, she'll be fine.
The next morning I get a callfrom her Hi, how are you doing?
Water all gone.
So I go and visit her in thehospital and the nurses take me
aside and they go.
What did she do?
We always lose people withinhours of that point.
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What did you do so it?
You know it all fits to.
You know you can, it's coming.
All these pieces are like thisbig puzzle We'll be able to do
things we couldn't believe wecould do.
I mean, I've seen dementiapatients, you know, reverse
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through using this.
Now, not all can and maybe notmany can, but when you see even
one reverse, you go okay, thisis possible.
Same, there was the same kindof pattern abandonment and then
the brain holding too much water, which is kid, just couldn't
think straight, diagnosed withdementia, came out of where they
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felt abandoned and everythingcleared, totally normal, so lots
.
So this is what teaches me.
These stories are what teachesme.
I will do nothing based on thetheory if it doesn't work in
practice, and this has shown me,my patients have shown me over
and over and over again.
I'm still astounded at what Isee 20 years in Right.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yeah, it seems like one of the most important things
is just counseling them throughthese phases if they're in that
time, so you're not triggeringthem more.
About calming them down and youcan't always do it, and you
can't always do it.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Sometimes you'll get people who are absolutely not
able to do this and then we losethem.
I mean, most of the people thatwe lose are palliative and
expected to die, but I've seenenough palliative people pull
out that I take them anyway,like, okay, let's give this a
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try.
You know, and we do a lot ofdeath work, so we really really
help people make peace withdying.
We help families make peacewith dying.
I don't charge for that.
It's a beautiful part of mywork, it's a sacred part, yeah.
So even if I can't help themsurvive, I just feel like, from
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a spiritual perspective, dyingwell is one of the best things
we can do in this human body.
I don't have any particularspiritual path at the moment,
just studied lots of differentthings.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
That's a powerful part, so it's amazing you're
doing that work too.
It's hard work also, but verybeautiful.
I love it.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
It's not hard at all for me.
Yeah, when I lost my husband, Idon't know, this is too much of
a tangent.
That's a whole other story.
I'll get sidetracked.
I'll stop right there, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Now, I understand that point too in the deeper
sense.
So can you give us some moreexamples in your own knowledge
or clinical practice ordifferent interesting cases
you've had?
And also something that I'minterested in is once you find
that issue, how do they go aboutresolving it too?
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Is it just they recognize itand it removes?
Tell us a little bit about thattoo, because I'm not interested
in that process.
Let's start with that, OK let'sstart with that.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
So there's a huge spectrum, I think, in most
things with medicine, where youget the textbook cases, which
are easy, and then you getimpossible cases.
So when you have people whohave had recent shocks, then
there are people who are fairlybalanced in their ego.
You know they have work, theyfeel pretty good about
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themselves, they might have agood relationship, they had a
good family background.
Those are fairly easy toresolve and what we do is we use
the premise of somatic therapy.
We use the premise that theseshocks are stuck in our bodies,
that you can if you want to talkabout your shocks from here on,
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you can do therapy for decadesand you can manage them.
They'll still be there,triggerable, but if you can
breathe into them, if you canuse EFT, which is tapping on
acupuncture points, emdr, whichis eye movements, I mean the
whole somatic field hasmushroomed.
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I mean I usually refer for thiskind of deep work where people
have had deep traumas.
They usually need to do somaticwork for a while and it's a
matter of feeling safe in theirbodies.
And how do we help people feelsafe?
I'm still doing my own traumawork, so I don't do trauma work
with people.
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But I've seen people resolvethings in one visit easy, and
I've seen people who could notresolve.
It was too painful to go there.
They would rather die Becauseit would just blow all their
fuses.
It's just like searing pain,like touching a hot iron.
You cannot do this and I knowthat from the inside out because
(46:20):
I used to be like that.
I couldn't touch my own pain.
It's taken me decades to beable to.
So, again, I have a hugesympathy for that.
There's no blame.
It's just sometimes too hard.
It's like taking somebody tothe gym and say, ok, lift that
500-weight pound-weight.
You can't do it.
(46:41):
Those of us who have spent thefirst half of our lives avoiding
our pain lost those muscles.
We didn't develop emotionalresilience.
We have to develop it Inside.
It's not realistic sometimes,and maybe even often, because we
(47:02):
live in a culture of how areyou, I'm fine, nothing else.
Everything gets shoved.
We get people who have no ideawhat's down there.
I run a group twice a month tojust practice healing work, and
in my last group I had thevisual experience.
I had the visualization.
Ok, it's like going into ajungle.
You're actually disoriented,you can't even make sense of
(47:25):
what's up or down, it's all justdark with scary noises.
So I think that we as a healingcommunity need to really work
on how to make this morepossible, how to make this
easier, how to make thisrealistic, how to make it fun,
(47:47):
how to make it going to the gymand lifting weights fun yeah so.
And then there's also thesituation where sometimes you
can't find the shock.
So then, but of course, by thesymptoms or by your condition,
you know what kind of shock tolook for the brain lesion, the
(48:09):
condition and the shock arealways the same.
According to the Germanymedicine and I always say that
according to new medicine,germany medicine, we're looking
for this.
I will never say, I'll neverplay God and say this is for
sure, even though I might feelit, it's not our reality yet.
(48:30):
So I need to be careful withthat.
You're to give people room forthinking differently.
I don't want to put them intothat box.
If they don't want to go there,it doesn't work, so they have
to see things for themselves.
So so, basically, if somebody,let's say, has the joint pain,
they somehow had a devaluationrelated to performance and they
(48:52):
can't remember that and we justlook at what are the current
triggers that make you feel bad.
The current trigger might be thepain in the hand.
So then we work with what's nowin those same thematic ways
cognitive ways, using tapping,using breathing, learning how to
(49:14):
talk to ourselves in adifferent way.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah, that's really powerful.
And I wonder if some of theseshocks happened during childhood
, where they suppressed thememories, or it was so early on
that they don't even know reallywhere it came from.
Then I guess you would go andlook at the current triggers or
try to do.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
Well, I have an interesting story about
suppressing shocks.
Had somebody come in in their20s, a young man, who had
psoriatic arthritis, which is anold person's disease, and as a
naturopath I'm looking for cause.
This was before I knew Germanymedicine and there was nothing
Like he was totally healthyexcept for the psoriatic
(49:59):
arthritis and I thought there'sa trauma in there.
I said where are your traumas?
He said I have no traumas.
I have this great family, Ilove my work, I have a great
group of friends.
What I don't think I believeyou.
So I treated himsymptomatically with homeopathy
(50:20):
and six months in like once amonth, I'd say you don't
remember anything.
Six months in, he comes in.
He's white as a sheet and I'mthinking, finally something's
coming up.
He said I saw him yesterday.
He said tell me, the guy whobeat me up, how old were you?
14.
The guy went to jail, there wasa court case.
(50:42):
He didn't remember.
10 years later, Six months inhim, that was a huge, huge
lesson for me.
My hair still stands on endwhen I think of that.
How well we can suppress thingswhen they're that painful.
Yeah, so then, knowing that I'mvery gentle.
(51:06):
So then we have to be careful.
If the shock isn't forthcoming,maybe we just need to just
dance around it for a while,make the person feel safer and
safer and kind of we call itdowngrade, and then the healing
symptoms are much easier as well.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Yeah, yeah, you have some amazing stories and a lot
of very interesting cases whenit comes to drug and new
medicine.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah, I'm amazed.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
And it seems like, yeah, you have to work a lot as
an investigator too to try toget those things out of people
and find the source when you can.
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Well, one of my most satisfying cases these days is a
middle-aged man with the samekind of brain cancer that killed
my husband and my sister and mymother glioblastoma.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
Okay, and that's what my father had too.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Okay.
So he came and he'd already hadall kinds of treatment and been
basically been given uppalliative.
So when I explained the Germanmedicine aspect got it
immediately said I'm getting outof this.
So we've been working togetherto clarify the shock, make sure
(52:39):
there aren't triggers and very,very gradually help him get off
his steroids, but so graduallythat his body's you know to
allow, because when the bodypart is healing, just to say
again, it's going to hold water.
So of course in this closedcavity that is going to trigger
(53:04):
all kinds of pain which triggersfear, which triggers more water
through the kidney tubule,existence, fear and we lose
people.
So we went through all of that,explained all of that, how
we're going to go so slowly thatwe're not going to trigger that
.
So it's been six months almostoff the steroids.
There's no symptoms.
(53:25):
I'm just we're not through yet.
We're not through.
But I am so hopeful Because wejust needed one glioblastoma
case using German medicine.
There are other people who'vehealed glioblastoma in using
different things, but of courseyou can use other things.
(53:46):
If you're using something like,let's say, a keto diet and you
really have a lot of faith in itand you kind of relax around
that it's going to allow thebrain to heal.
You can use anything.
It's a placebo, because noteverybody otherwise everybody
who had glioblastoma would healwith the keto diet.
They don't.
It's a small percentage.
(54:08):
So now we can understand and wecan understand how to use
plashebos for people.
If it's too much to go, germanmedicine you can use.
I mean, use an obviouslyindigene, dedicated therapy, the
product, but in the back ofyour mind you're going just need
(54:31):
to relax into this.
You're different, use a lot ofpositive feedback and you're
getting them through the healingprocess and be notes to them,
using also the German medicineprinciples.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Right.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
And you're doing valid therapy.
You're doing exactly what,maybe with a few less
supplements.
A few fewer supplements.
And now we don't have to do thediet quite as I mean.
The diet in German medicine isbased a basic, healthy, balanced
diet.
Nothing rigid, no coffee enemas, no juice fasts no, except for
(55:09):
small periods of time, not forthese long stretches.
People get totally depleted.
You need more protein.
When you're healing, I oftenput vegetarians.
I'll say can you eat meat for awhile?
I like vegetarian diet andtribes.
When people were sick, we eatorgan meats.
(55:31):
So, and I'm sure that as we getbetter at this, we'll also be
able to find ways to do this andstay vegetarian.
So it's all to be, all to befigured out Right, but great.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Yeah, I know I could listen to your stories all day
long.
It's really interesting and Ithink it's just.
It's such an important elementto reframe people's thinking and
to tie the emotions and thebody together because they're
deeply connected.
They're not separate entitieswhere you treat differently and
address one and address theother, because it's so clear how
(56:09):
deep everything is, whetherit's them thinking that this is
going to work and so it works,with the placebo, or having
emotions and causing so manydifferent things.
So, yeah, I think German NewMedicine has a lot of potential
in treatment for sure.
Well, thank you very much todayand thank you so much for
(56:32):
sharing.
It was a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
Yeah, you're a wonderful interviewer.
We're looking forward to this.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
Yeah, thank you so much, and we're be sure to put
up your website and all yourinformation too, so everyone can
find you and reach out as well,sure.
Speaker 3 (56:48):
Yeah, okay, thank you very much.
Thank you, bye, bye.
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