June 17, 2025 • 58 mins
Have you ever wondered if your body is trying to tell you something? Beyond appearances and physical sensations, what if your body is actually a roadmap to your inner world?
In this thought-provoking conversation, I'm joined by intuitive fitness and nutrition expert Manouk Vink who reveals how our bodies reflect our deepest beliefs and emotional patterns. From her personal journey through childhood OCD to extreme bodybuilding competitions to holistic wellness, Manouk shares how she discovered that physical transformation alone couldn't heal her relationship with herself.
We dive deep into the revolutionary concept of "body reflections" – the idea that specific physical manifestations (from excess weight to wrinkles) directly correlate to particular limiting beliefs and unprocessed emotions. Manouk explains how addressing these root causes can not only transform your physical appearance but also create profound shifts in your relationships, career, and overall life experience. If you've struggled with body image or tried countless diets and fitness regimens with limited success, this perspective offers a completely different approach.
The conversation takes fascinating turns as we explore anti-aging (did you know only 5% of aging symptoms relate to actual aging?), intuitive eating, breaking free from societal pressures around appearance, and how to use your intuition to make choices that honor your body's wisdom.
Whether you're looking to transform your physical health, heal your relationship with your body, or simply understand yourself on a deeper level, this episode offers practical wisdom and paradigm-shifting insights. Your body has been speaking to you all along – perhaps it's time to listen.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Unveiled, the podcast.
I'm your host, angela Christian, and I help you with unveiling
your true self by peeling awaythe layers that society placed
on you.
I do this with a combination ofneuroscience, energetics and
ancient spiritual wisdom.
I went from underpaid andoverworked in corporate America
to launching a six-figurecompany that continues to grow.
(00:26):
I went from toxic relationshipsto being happy and single for
over a year as I worked andcontinue to work on becoming the
best version of myself, and somuch more.
My greatest passion is to helpwomen and mothers heal,
transform and become the highestversions of themselves.
Heal, transform and become thehighest versions of themselves.
(00:46):
As I continue to grow andexpand my intuitive knowledge
and unique wisdom, I'll beincluding you on my journey to
millions, so let's get into it.
Hello and welcome back toUnveiled.
Today I have a different type ofepisode for you.
That came to me very lastminute when I was talking to one
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of my friends and fellowintuitives, manuk.
So she and I decided to do apodcast swap where she comes
onto my podcast and then I goonto hers.
So she wanted me to come on herpodcast and have her members
there she has a membershipcommunity and to be able to ask
(01:30):
me questions and I just thought,wow, that's such a great idea.
So very last minute, like twodays before this podcast, I told
my members of Unveiled that ifthey wanted to join live, they
could and ask Manuk questions.
So one member was able to joinlive, which was so amazing
because it just gave it adifferent kind of feel, and I
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decided I'm going to do thisprobably once a month, where I
bring on a guest and if you'rein my membership at any level I
have three different levels ofmy membership so at any level of
my membership you'll be able tojoin us live once a month and
ask my guests questions.
So you would get a little bitmore advanced notice than I did
(02:14):
this time, but I just had neverthought of doing that until
Manuk mentioned it.
So we have my membership client, annette, on here and Manuk is
an intuitive fitness andnutrition expert and she's just
talking about her journey fromhaving OCD from you know, trying
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the very drastic dietingroutine to where she's at now.
So I hope you'll enjoy it asmuch as I did and hope to see
you in my membership where youcan come and join our next live
guest.
So without further ado, let'sjump in.
Hi so excited to be here.
(02:57):
I'm so excited to have you on,and Annette is for my membership
, so she's going to be asking.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
She's also in GLH, so she's yes yes, I do recognize
the name, awesome yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So I'm so excited.
So if you want to just start,just for the listeners for the
podcast, a new book, met andGuided Light Healing.
I think Dark Forces was thefirst class we were in together.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I want to say yeah, I think so too.
Yeah, because you started withintuition, I think before me,
right, I think so.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, yeah, and I think yeah, at one point we were
in intuition level two together.
There was crossover, but Ithink we first met in Dark
Forces.
Yes, yes, but yeah, why don'tyou give us your background, how
you came to GLH, the wholestory?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
The whole story?
Yeah, sure, of course.
So basically I how do I saythis?
So I started as Well.
Where do I begin?
Because it's a whole story thatties in together.
I basically started as anutritionist.
I've always like was wanting tohelp people in one way or
another, so I studied psychology, found myself in like a
(04:11):
corporate job and then ended upthinking this is not for me,
this is not my vibe, I need todo something different, right?
And I was like gettingsuffocated in the corporate
world and what I noticed alreadyfrom a young age and I think
like a lot of girls can identifywith this I struggled with my
body image, with myself, with myconfidence, with all of this
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stuff.
So I think that's where it kindof started, where I was like I
wanted to help people.
And then I actually struggledwith OCD when I was really,
really young.
So I was like really like I hadlike compulsive behaviors from
a young age and I wanted tounderstand why that was already
at like a young age, right.
(04:53):
I wanted to understand how thatworked and all of this.
And then I remember like goingto one psychologist child
psychologist who reallyintrigued me, so I started
asking her about how all of thatworked.
Right, she made me put likethese little like she had like a
sandbox.
And then she made meintuitively and I'm like now
figuring that out pick out likelittle, like statues to put in
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the sandbox.
About how I felt, I don'treally remember.
She would ask me questions andshe'd be like okay, which one
like resonates?
And I remember loving that.
I was like this is so coolbecause she could tell me a
story about you know why I waspicking those things.
And I think that's when I sortof was like this is so
interesting and I startedthinking, oh, maybe I should
become a psychologist.
(05:35):
I remember asking her about herwork.
So then I was like, oh, this issomething that I could do,
right, this is something that Iwould like to do.
So, anyways, that's kind ofwhere I realized now some of
that already like started and soI ended up studying psychology,
ended up in a corporate job,hated it, felt suffocated, and
(05:57):
then ended up going and workingat like a health and fitness
center and actually during thatperiod well, yes, during that
period I started competing in abodybuilding competition.
So it kind of started out aslike so I met a friend at work
and it started out as a kind ofan idea because I was always
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struggling with my body.
I felt like I was tryingeverything training.
I thought I was eating right,even though I had no idea what I
was doing.
I thought I was training right,even though I still had so many
questions about all of that.
So I ended up doing thisbodybuilding competition and it
was sort of like more like anidea to just sort of see where
it would take me and when I didthat, I'm very good.
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I think that's part of my OCDtrait that I still kind of have
when I want something, I don'tlet go until I get it.
So and then I'm very obsessiveabout it.
So like that is all thatmatters to me in that moment.
So that's why that reallyserved me in the training world.
So I ended up like really likeseeing the results.
(07:03):
Especially when I see theresults then I keep going.
So I think this applies to theGLH works work as well, so that
ties in nicely as well.
So I ended up doing thatimmediately, started seeing how
I was like getting results,because I was focusing on the
right nutrition.
It was very extreme.
I never recommend what I did,but I saw the results from it.
I learned learned a lot aboutabout my body, about training,
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about nutrition, about how youcan literally transform your
body like crazy when you do theright things, or when you do the
right things in the right way.
Not in the way that I did it,but it made me realize how much
power you have over transformingyour body.
And then what happened was Iwas like, okay, I need to help
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people with this, I need to helppeople feel confident in their
bodies, and figuring that out.
But little did I know.
Just because I got thatphysique right didn't fix the
internal struggles that I washaving.
So that is where the ballstarted rolling.
I got out of the competition.
I really did everything by thebook reverse dieting and trying
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to maintain the body fatpercentage that I had, or a
little higher, and still stay aslean.
But my body started rebellingtowards me because it needed
more nourishment, it needed morelove, and what I kept doing?
I kept beating up my body fornot doing what I wanted it to do
.
So what ended up happening?
Even though I did everythingright, I did compete in a second
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competition.
I didn't get half as lean and I.
I really struggled with thatand then after that I started
gaining weight, even though Iwas training like two hours a
day, eating in a very lowcalorie deficit 1200 calories
and my body just kept putting onweight.
And so I realized I needed tostart healing my body and my
(08:51):
perception of myself.
And that's kind of when thatjourney started taking off and I
started working as anutritionist yeah, freelance,
like freelance nutritionist,while still doing some other
jobs, you know, to keep thebusiness up and running.
I realized I really likedhelping people with that,
because I realized how littlepeople knew about nutrition and
for me the nutrition aspectseemed more important than the
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training aspect at the time.
But what I realized that peoplewanted, like they wanted to do
both.
So then I ended up becoming apersonal trainer.
But I've always wanted more andI've always, like, been into
the spiritual world and Iactually had like a spiritual
coach around, like right afterthe first competition, I think,
and she really made me realizesomething and that was because,
(09:35):
having been to psychologists asa young girl struggling with OCD
and all of these things, Ididn't like like how they
sometimes would kind of make mefeel kind of like more, like, oh
, that's so sad, you know likeit was like not empowering at
all, to the point where at somelike with one of the
psychologists, I was like canyou stop babying me?
(09:57):
Can you just tell me, likewhat's the deal?
And I remember thinking likethis is not helping me at all.
And then I even had oneexperience where someone took
the DSM five you know where allthe mental health stuff.
She took it out and she juststarted looking through things
and then she was like, oh yeah,so next week we're going to talk
about medication.
I was like I don't wantmedication.
(10:18):
Like what are you talking about?
Like that's not what I'm herefor.
So that was the first and thelast time I went there and then
I left and so I found this otherlike she was also very
spiritual and it's the firsttime that I realized that you
could be spiritual.
But you didn't have to be ahippie, you know, you didn't
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have to be like.
She would always say likedrinking green smoothies, doing
yoga and meditating 10 hours aday.
You know, because I didn'tidentify with that, I've always
liked like luxury things.
I always liked, you know, like,like being like luxurious,
doing the fun, fun stuff, nothaving to, like, you know, grow
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hair under my armpits and youknow, do that.
You know, grow hair under myarmpits and you know, do that.
I was like that's not me, soand I didn't like we even have a
word for it in the NetherlandsLike it's like like floaty, like
you know, like a little bit upin the air.
You're not fully here, thattype of person.
(11:26):
So I went for a session with herand for the first time, because
she had such light energy I'mrealizing now I think she lifted
me up in her energy.
So when I was there, sheliterally like touched something
in me that made me realize howtruly powerful I was, and coming
out of that session, I was like, yeah, but that's how you're
supposed to feel.
You're not supposed to go backto the garbage.
You should like step into whatyou're meant to be.
(11:47):
And so that's when those thingsstarted clicking.
I was very interested in that,but we never really learned
intuition and stuff like that,and so I was still working on my
business.
And then I started like wantingto do my business online and
helping more women and feelempowered and actually, as Al
also says in our coaching, likegiving women the tools so that
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they understand training andnutrition other than having to
rely on, like you know what theoutside world is telling you,
because it's full of BS outthere, right Like there's so
much trash out there.
Full of BS out there, rightLike, there's so much trash out
there.
There's so much like likefakery, like people pretending
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they've achieved something thatthey haven't, drugs being like
used, all kinds of things.
And I wanted women to feelempowered in themselves, that
they understand how everythingworks, cause that really helps
me break free from like thecycle.
And then I actually ended upwanting to do dark forces first,
but I realized I wanted tomanifest more, like financially
as well, and rolled into the GLHworld, starting with like the
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money manifestate, or money,financial mastery and intuition.
I didn't like thought like oh,you have to like, but we're all
born like that.
That's the crazy thing, we'reall born like that.
But like I didn't realize youcould like train these gifts and
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open them up.
And now that is like the nextlevel to where I'm at, where I
realize what my body was doingto me and I tapped into that
already back then, that my bodywas rebelling towards what I was
doing to it.
But now connecting all the dotstogether and realizing that it
was my body reflecting to me howI was being literally abusive
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towards myself for not being theway that I should have been,
and now adding in this componentand the intuition component and
being able to scan people'senergetic bodies and see what
they need nutritionally, withthe background and with
everything, is just a total gamechanger.
So that's the short, longversion of how I ended up at GLH
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.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Well, I love it because we've never really like
talked about that, because we'realways other things.
But two things came up.
One is that's so funny becauseI think maybe that's a common
theme is like people come to GLHfor the financial like I need
cause.
That's exactly what I did.
I was like, ooh, I'm going tobuy the financial analysis or
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something.
So I went on their website.
It wouldn't let me purchase it,like it just wouldn't.
So I ended up reaching out toMegan and I was like I'm trying
to purchase this and it won'tlet me.
And she's like oh, that'susually a sign that your higher
self wants you to do somethingelse.
So I took financial mastery.
That was the first class I evertook with them too, me too.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Me too.
I started there, yeah, and theninto intuition right after,
cause that was like the next,next step and I did.
I like it's literallyeverything that I've been
looking for, because I rememberright before that's the funny
thing right before I ended uptraining my intuition and doing
all of this stuff.
I've always been into astrologyand figuring that out.
(15:08):
I've always was like I wasdiving into human design
couldn't make much sense of it,though I was trying to figure it
out.
Numerology like I went throughall of it.
I was diving into human designCouldn't make much sense of it,
though I was trying to figure itout.
Numerology Like I went throughall of it.
I was like, oh, maybe this isit.
Maybe this is it Cause I wasalways into this stuff.
But I was like I don't want tobe an astrologer, like yeah, but
and then this just madeeverything like click into place
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and also just it all makes somuch sense.
Like it just yeah, it justmakes so much sense and it's so,
it's so cool, and I neverrealized how much this would
transform my business as well.
It's really crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
No, I love that.
I haven't trained with anastrologer but I couldn't quite.
It was so complex.
Like when you start readingstuff, it's just like so complex
.
But yeah, it was like exactlywhat you just said.
And then the other piece islike it was.
It's such a beautiful story ofhow you've literally experienced
all the extremes because that'swhat we have to do for our soul
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path Right, because in order tohelp people, we need to
experience all of thoseobstacles and extremes and then
now you can literally like helpanyone at any stage of their
like health journey, nutrition,nutritional journey, like you
can tell them why they're notreleasing excess weight, all of
that.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
So a hundred percent and a big component, I think, of
me, because I remember having aconversation with one of my
friends and we'd always likekind of speak also about like I
don't know.
We'd always speak about likemanifestation and things in the
world and I always believedthere was like a path.
I've always been like that, butlike I remember her, me and her
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sitting in the train and I toldher like I was considering
doing this bodybuilding thingand she's like oh yeah, I can
see you on a stage like totallyripped with like, and I was like
I couldn't see it.
Yet I was like, yeah, there'sno way.
And the thing is I think I saidthis to people.
I was like I think the reason Iwas able to do it and I did it
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totally natural, which somepeople don't believe, but I did
it totally, totally natural isbecause I was so sure I could do
it, like there was no doubt inmy mind that I could do it, and
I realized that because it justwent.
It just went like I don't knowwhat happened, but because I was
doing the right things and Ibelieve that I could do it, I
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did it.
The second time round, however,the doubt started kicking in
and it didn't, and it didn'twork.
Plus, I was just being reallylike harsh to my body, so it's
and and I needed to shift someperspectives Like my body was
probably like okay, girl, you'veachieved this.
Now Like let's take it to thenext level and let's see if you
can figure out that this isn'tit.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, totally Well, will you explain how you work
with people, like in yourmembership and then also with
the new program you released,like what you do with the
clients in there?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah, sure, Sure, of course.
So I have two programs at themoment.
So I have my membership andthen I have my your Body is
Magic program and they comequite nicely like hand in hand
together.
And I'm even stirring upsomething new, but I'll I'll I
think that will be July, um, sobasically, and then obviously
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one-on-ones, basically what I dowith the first idea.
The initial idea of themembership was and that's the
portal you will see that in theportal when you enter and you
join my membership the firstidea was basically you have your
own like little mini personaltrainer in a pocket.
That was kind of the idea.
So you basically you open theportal and inside the portal you
have the explanation.
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In short, without it's being toocomplicated, in a simplified
way, this is what you need tofocus on when it comes to
nutrition.
This is how you calculate yournutrition, this is how how many
proteins, carbs, et cetera, etcetera and that's what you need
to focus on, nutrition wise.
And some ticks and tips ticks,tips and trips, tricks I can't
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speak tips and tricks to, tolike make it easier on yourself
to be able to enjoy those, uh,those things and still eat the
things that you love, andunderstand how nutrition works,
Because that was a big thing forme.
That really changed a lot forme.
And then you also have a wholelike module or a lesson.
(19:23):
Yeah, it's a module on training.
So, basically, how doestraining work?
What do you focus on?
How do you set up your trainingprogram?
How do you decide what's apriority exercise and what is
not?
How do you build it out andlike all like little mini videos
explaining how all of thatworks.
We go into supplements, andthen there's a little actually
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limiting belief module as welland a rest and recovery module
as well.
And then inside there I alsohave like exercises, so an
exercise index, because I amvery big on form.
I think it is so important whenyou're going to the gym that
you're executing the exercisescorrectly, because I cannot tell
you how many times I see girlstrying things out in the gym and
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they're going to hurtthemselves.
You're wasting your energy andyou're going to hurt yourself
all at the same time.
And I think it is so importantto understand what you need to
be focusing on and how you needto be doing it, especially with
social media, just throwing outcertain exercises here and there
and also understanding, likehow it all works, because
there's a lot of misconceptionsabout training and that you need
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to be dying to get the resultsthat you want.
It's not true.
That you need to be doing HIITexercises to get the results
that you want also couldactually have a negative effect
on your body.
So all of that is inside theportal, with a recipe ebook and
some other goodies in there.
And now I'm actually expandingwith this kind of idea as well,
where I'm going to do a Q&Aevery two, twice a month, which
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is open to everybody, but themembership gets access to them
like for life.
And then that membership wasdesigned for people who joined
the membership.
I have a separate group chatand a community for them to talk
, to motivate each other, to askquestions where necessary, and
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also me, and then we have acoaching call every three weeks
to discuss progress questionsand all of this stuff.
So that was the first initialidea.
And oh, and, you get access tofour workout programs online to
start with.
That was the initial idea.
Then now, having adding inintuition, what I actually do is
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I do like a scan, an overallquick scan of members and I kind
of intuit what their macroswould be.
So to get them to the best bodylike, to get them in the best
shape of their life is basically, I intuit that, or even true
self body, because you have abody that you're meant to have
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in this lifetime and that's kindof what I base a lot of it on.
But I do ask members if theyunderstand the concept.
Would they rather go for theone filter or the other filter,
so true self or best shape oftheir life, which probably most
of the time will be on par?
And then I go in and I pull howmany carbs, how many proteins
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and fats they should be eatingon a daily basis to achieve that
result, and I even intuit whichsources of protein, carbs and
fats they should be eating toget the best results that are
most optimal for their body.
And then I give them aguideline of which exercises to
focus on, how many reps, howmany sets.
All of that I intuit based oftheir body's blueprint,
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basically the scan of the body,and obviously then in the group
chat, if they ever do have aquestion, I can sometimes tap in
and see if, for example, asupplement will work for them,
if, for example, they should bedoing something different and if
they are developing theirintuition, I also ask them to
play around with the question.
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So even when you're in the gym,you can intuitively feel out if
you should be doing one exerciseor the other, if this is a good
swap for that.
So there's a lot of ways youcan kind of go with it, but the
basis of it is understanding howit all works for yourself and
then you having the empowermentand the tools to do it.
So that's the membership,that's the membership, and then
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we have the your Body is Magicprogram, which is basically, I
would say it's like the glow upcourse, the eight week glow up
program, and I am coaching itlive as we speak, but people can
jump in and they can watch,because the first two weeks are
up.
The third week I'm uploading aswe speak and in this program we
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are going to dive intoeverything body reflections.
So, and the idea is that youwork through your body
reflections, understand whatevery body reflection is telling
you, so that you can not onlyshift that reflection and
manifest, basically, your dreambody, but you can also, as a
result of that, shift yourlimiting beliefs and because
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you're shifting your limitingbeliefs, you start manifesting
more abundance, betterrelationships, your dream life.
Basically because it's thelimiting beliefs that are
holding you back from achievingeverything that you desire in
your life and when you can goand use your body as your
teacher, as your roadmap, tofigure out what is going on.
So, for example, if you'reholding onto fat in the legs,
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for example, you can be like,ooh, I'm insecure, I'm beating
myself up about my path in life,there's some shifting I need to
do there.
And when you become more securein your path in life, not only
will your legs slim down, butyou will also start making
better steps in your life andyou will start transforming your
life.
You also.
We also do a lot of self-imagehealing.
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We're diving into that.
And when you start findingyourself more attractive, other
people start finding you moreattractive.
When you start feeling moreconfident in your body, other
people will start seeing that inyou and being more magnetized
to you.
So it all overlaps into one coolthing and I love puzzling and
figuring out all bodyreflections.
I think it's super interestingand I'm also doing like last
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week we spoke about anti-aging,because I want it to be like the
ultimate like glow up program,where you like glow up yourself
and anti-age yourself and get tothe fittest, most sexy, most
hottest version of yourself andat the same time you're kicking
ass in life.
So you literally like geteverything in one because I
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believe it all interlinks.
I believe it all interlinks andthe anti-aging part of it is
just something that intrigues meso much, especially as a woman
in my thirties also, you know,starting to go down that and
wanting to stay younger andfitter for longer and even
diving into potentially, youknow, rejuvenating my
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reproductive organs and all ofthat stuff, because I still
would like to have kids at somepoint and I know that's also a
concern.
So I'm trying to interlink allof that into this eight week
program to literally give youlike the full body glow up and
then that translating into yourlife and understanding your body
to the max.
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So those are the two programsthat I have at the moment and
the eight week program isrunning live right now and then,
as soon as it's finished, I'mgoing to do something along the
lines of having check-ins aswell for those of, for those
people that are joining the uh,the eight week program, and then
I have a whole community foreverybody who is inside my
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program.
And yeah, and I think I'm goingto be adding in in July, that's
the new thing that I'm I'mstirring up is like a cell a
four week self image healing,intensive Cause I feel it, it's
all.
It all is interlinked intobecoming the best version of
yourself.
So that's basically what I'mdoing at the moment.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Basically, that's it.
No, it's so much, no, it's easy, and learning and yeah, all of
this stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, but you love it .
That's why you it excites, itmakes you excited, and that's
what.
That's what this should feellike.
I feel totally.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, oh, I feel like it's so exciting and I love
that you're doing the anti-agingstuff too, because it's just
like we need that so much rightnow with everyone, like with all
the like Botox and fillers, andit's just like getting so far.
Not that I'm like against that,if that's what you want, like
your choice, but it's like Ipurposely was like I want to
(27:42):
learn the secrets to like, youknow, not having to go that
route because they are findingthere's so many toxins and all
of that in it and if you don'theal the self-image, the
limiting beliefs, it's not goingto help with what you're really
trying to.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
It's not going to change.
It's not going to changeanything.
And I myself I was gettingBotox only for two years.
I like I started and then, assoon as I entered this world, I
stopped and I mean I've madesome great progress because I
literally I say this all thetime I really had severe like
forehead lines, like really,really like I call them like
(28:20):
Grand Canyon.
So for me, first I was like, ohmy God, this Botox, because I
didn't think, I didn't eventhink that Botox could help it.
That's how bad I thought it wasat the time.
That's how bad I thought it wasat the time.
But you know, now, with thesetools, it's really cool because
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I get to like play around withit on myself and see how it
works.
I mean I'm like if my foreheadstays like, I still want to get
better results, but if it stayslike this, like I'm happy and I
haven't gotten anything in overa year right now, and it's so
especially where I'm at I'm inan Eastern European country at
the moment it's like all thewomen look the same.
So it's a big thing here andit's even like really ingrained,
(29:04):
because I have a friend with aaesthetics clinic and I went
over there to say hi, and one ofhis doctors, like they say it,
they go to you and they and hewas sitting with me it's like,
oh, you've got such a beautifulface, but I see you're very
expressive, so you know.
So they start like looking atyour lines and that's like also,
(29:25):
like you know, a good test formy self-image to be like, yeah,
no, it's fine, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Wow, they do that.
Oh my gosh, that's wild yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
But it's a lot of that right here.
Even my friend saying, oh, Ineed to get my lips done, oh,
and then she's talking about herforehead and I see like
literally one line that's how,that's how deeply ingrained it
is.
And obviously that keeps usmore and more disconnected from
our bodies.
Right, if we keep looking forexternal ways to fix it instead
(29:56):
of like going inward andactually listening to what it's
trying to tell us and seeingthat you could do that on your
own without all of that crap.
Basically, yeah, so that's hardfor people to believe because
we've been so disconnected fromourselves, from our power, from
what we're capable of.
Yeah, that's the wild, that'sthe wild thing.
(30:17):
And when you start connectingall those dots, you're like holy
shit, they've been like reallymapping this out really well to
disconnect us from literallyeverything, to make us so like
submissive to everything that isgoing on.
basically, yeah and yeah, andit's like like.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And it's like, like we know it's like a group mind
virus.
That's like if you go onInstagram someone's talking
about getting Botox or fillersor whatever, then you go to
someone else and then all of asudden like I've had this happen
to me and then I'm like, oh,maybe I should just like go get
like some Botox.
And I'm like, wait, group mindvirus, need to like clear that
out.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I had it with lips.
Yes, it looks kind of nice.
Maybe I should do it and justlike no, you've got good lips.
What are you talking about,like?
Why yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
The dark side of social media is just like
they're just penetrating yourthoughts.
Your thoughts aren't even yours.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, a hundred percent, and it's with that as
well than yours, yeah, a hundredpercent, and it's with that as
well.
And that's something that I wasspeaking about, actually in a
one-on-one, about, like alsowith us in our thirties and, uh,
well, like with you know, withhaving children and needing to
start a family.
I think that's a big part andit's it's interesting because
it's coming up for me now a lotmore and more, also because my
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one of my best friends just hadher first, and so she even and
she's so open to all of this,right, she was already down this
rabbit hole before I was incertain ways, and she started
saying, yeah, well, manouk, youknow, now, seeing from a friend
of mine who was struggling withfertility, you know it's not
(31:55):
that easy, so you should startthinking about it, like putting
that, you know, stress on youand you're like, wait a second,
this isn't even my own.
This thought isn't even my.
I've never worried about it.
I've always believed that itwill happen and it will happen
when it needs to happen.
But this doubt starts creepingin from all areas and that.
But it did make me want to diveinto that more, because I
(32:16):
always believed.
I honestly also always had afeeling like I don't know if
I've ever told you this, butlike we have I don't know if
I've told you this, angela, butwe have like I feel like we had
a conversation about it we didabout Santa Claus and things
like that.
Did we speak about like that?
Yes, we did.
So here's something funny thatyou'll laugh at when I was seven
(32:39):
years old, that like when I wasseven years old, I think that's
when I sort of like startedrealizing, like it's like almost
that's when I gainedconsciousness of what was going
on and that's when my OCD alsostarted like ramping up and
started happening and I startedbeing very aware of life and
death.
It was like very like I wouldget panic attacks about it
(32:59):
because I would freak out likethinking of death, like what
would happen?
I thought, would I just ceaseto exist?
Like it would really, was likein my mind the whole time.
And so we have in theNetherlands something other than
Santa Claus.
We have Sinterklaas, which islike basically St Nicholas like,
where it's all St Nicholas,right, but this is like more
closer to the original story,but he's like, he's like just
(33:24):
like Santa Claus, he livesforever and all of this stuff.
And I remember going to becauseof my.
I was obsessively washing myhands.
I remember going to a, to thechild psychologist and talking
about this and saying to heryeah, but it's not fair, how
come he gets to live forever?
But I don't.
I was like that makes no sense.
(33:48):
Seven-year-old, right, likewhat the hell are you talking
about?
But I've already been.
I've been like thinking aboutthis for the longest time.
I've always believed that weshould be able to live longer
than that we live.
Yeah, I feel like I shoulddecide when I'm done with what
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we're doing.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
We might be able to, so exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
So that's why it's so funny, cause it all like ties
in.
And I would love to take thatvein down even more and see,
because even with like theenergy healing stuff that we're
doing, you know, I startedrealizing and I had a click
recently where I was like, sohang on, you die from something,
you don't just die, somethinghas to happen to kill you,
(34:40):
otherwise you just stay alive.
So if you're able to heal mostthings, then you should be able
to live for way longer.
So all of that stuff.
It's so crazy with the agingstuff as well that I don't know
if you heard this, but that only5% of the 100% of our aging
symptoms are actually us aging.
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95% is all body reflectionswhich is like insane.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I know, yeah, it's like you know.
And when my parents, whenthey'll say like, oh, I forgot
something, I'm just getting old,I immediately like put up a
block.
I'm like, nope, not taking that.
It all just starts feeding intothat and then it becomes a lot
of focus and then it's just likemakes everything like yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I was so potent, right, because even with videos
and with videos that go aroundin the fitness world as well,
you know, after 30, they havethat sound right where
everything starts cracking whenyou're doing an exercise it's
like so potent, it's like reallylike, it's like grooming you to
be like, yeah, you're going tostart like withering away.
(35:47):
Now it's like, oh, okay, it'sso grim.
It's like it is right, like why?
So we're basically tellingourselves the story that that's
that that's the case.
And then, obviously, if youcontinuously tell yourself that
story, then that's what's gonna,that's what's gonna happen.
Yeah, so yeah, it's.
(36:07):
It's very, it's veryinteresting to to find like it
gets me really excited to figureall of this out.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, no, I'm so excited and I will link your
website and social media and theshow notes for anyone.
Yes, and then is there anythingelse you wanted to add?
And then I know Annette had aquestion.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So for the questions, well, the only no, I think
nothing specifically just likethat.
This is.
This is so cool and I love, Ilove talking about all of this
and all the developments in thisarea.
It's super exciting and how itall overlaps, right.
Everything that you do, that Ido, and it's just really cool to
(36:49):
be able to, to make thosechanges in people's lives, in
your own life, and see the work.
Work, that's the, that's thewildest thing, like I think it's
how quickly actually, when youthink about it, this stuff
starts working when you do itright is mind blowing, yeah, and
especially when you've lookedat other manifestation tricks,
where you're sitting in thebathroom and you're writing a
(37:10):
letter with a candle and youknow, like I've done it.
And then it's like, oh, but thisis what I needed, this is what
I needed to do.
Now it makes sense.
Yeah, so that's that's justwhat I love about it, and it
makes a lot of sense.
It's so practical actually,when you think about it.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
No yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Okay, yep.
So, annette, do you want to askyour question?
You can either just ask or youcan put it in the chat.
Either one Sure.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Let me make sure I got my volume on right.
Yep, yeah, Okay, your story wasamazing.
That's, that's awesome.
It's funny that you're in theNetherlands.
My daughter literally just toldme yesterday maybe the day
before that she's wanting to doher go to graduate school in the
Netherlands.
Oh really.
And so when she said that, I'dnever heard her say that before,
(38:00):
so I was like, oh, that'sinteresting.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
All right, where did she say where Amsterdam?
She didn't say where.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
She just said the Netherlands in general and I was
like, all right, well, that'svery interesting.
Yeah, so I'm excited.
Then you said that's whereyou're from.
So you know, interesting.
But yeah, so I, when you guyswere talking about Botox and
stuff, I was on Botox forprobably five and a half, maybe
almost six years, for a coupleof reasons.
(38:30):
Number one reason I experiencedsevere, chronic migraines since
I was like 11 years old and, youknow, tried all the different
medications, dealt with all thedifferent side effects and
finally just said you know, theside effects aren't worth the.
You know what I'm going through.
So I got off everything.
And then my girlfriend, who'slike big into, you know, body
(38:54):
image and Botox and fillers andyou know, fixing areas on her
body, you know, to herperfection, she told me about,
you know, doing Botox and at thetime I was like I am deathly
afraid of needles.
I definitely don't want needlesin my head, Like that is an
absolute no for me.
But she eventually, you know,convinced me and you're right,
(39:16):
like with social media andeverything that we're seeing
like online with you know howperfect you can be, you know,
and even my husband just makinglittle comments, like there was
a commercial that was out yearsago where the husband would be
like you know that hair, thatwrinkle, and he would always do
that to me and you know, butlike it, it affected me, it
really did.
(39:36):
So I eventually started theBotox and I was on such a high
dose it was like 200 units solike my forehead was like no
zero expression in my foreheadbut all the expression was like
down here, and so that that gotto me Cause I was like it, it
looks, it looks fake, like I cansee that it looks fake and I
(39:57):
don't like and so I'd gotteninto, you know, started
following GLH just over a yearago and took a mentorship class
with Marlo Lemon Are you guysfamiliar with her?
So she's also a student of GLHhow toxins can affect you know
(40:18):
our intuition like overallputting toxins in our body, what
we eat and in our environment,and especially you know Botox is
definitely a big no-no and westarted talking about that and I
stopped it last yeah me too,immediately, yeah.
So I, you know, did some deepsoul searching and decided, you
(40:38):
know, that just wasn't right forme and, you know, cleared the
reflection of the migraines inthe first place, and that's the
big one, right?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
But then even you speaking about your your, was it
your husband that was makingcomments?
That's also all reflections,right.
And I remember I experiencedthat with my partner as well.
He was very critical of me andit stopped immediately after I
started working through whatthat like.
I didn't even do it consciously, I just started seeing my own
value, and then it stopped, yeah, and it was like oh, okay, yeah
(41:14):
.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
So I, you know, worked through all of that and
then, you know, during hermentorship class, decided you
know, enough is enough, I don'twant this.
You know crap in my bodyanymore.
And you know, just stopped.
And so it's been, I thinkAugust, september, october,
november.
So September was my lastinjection.
Haven't had migraine headache,no, nothing.
(41:36):
But of course you know Ihaven't stopped.
My husband was like no, like youhave to have the Botox, like
it's taken away your, yourmigraines, like I don't want to
take you in the emergency room,I don't want you in pain and I
don't need it.
Like I know that I don't needit and like I'm going to, I'm
going to prove that to you.
And so it was weird because,like he, between him and my
(41:56):
daughter, my daughter was likesuper supportive and like that's
great, I'm proud of you mom.
Like I feel like you've gottento the root cause of this and
that like you're going to befine.
But my husband was like no,like you need this, you need to,
you need to keep getting these.
And I'm like I'm not going togo getting Botox for the rest of
my life, like I've already hadit for almost six years, like
this is.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
I just can't see myself doing that, no, but then
there, there there is stillsomething there for you to, to
uncover, like why he's stillprobing that with you, right,
like, what is that?
Is that?
Is that still like your insideout voice thinking that
somewhere?
Or is that him reflecting stillsomething there?
So, what could, what could workis like, see what?
(42:39):
Like, what is it making youfeel?
Is it making you feel like he'strying to control you in a way
or somehow?
In that way?
And then you could go into okay, where do I feel like I don't
have the freedom to do X, y andZ, or getting pressure from an
area of life.
So maybe you're not getting itin your head anymore, but you're
getting it from your partner.
So maybe you're not getting itin your head anymore, but you're
(43:00):
getting it from your partner.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
So, yeah, and diving into that, because then you'll
see, you can even like, stop himfrom making those comments,
yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it'sbeen, you know, I mean we're
halfway in through the year andit's like I'm so thrilled
because I like spent like overhalf of my life, you know, with
migraines and headaches, and itwas just who I was Like.
I just yeah, yeah, just how itis.
(43:25):
You know, this is my life.
You know, this is the card thatI was dealt with and but it
doesn't have to be that way.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
No, no, no, exactly, and that's the cool part.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Yeah, so super, super excited about that.
But the questions that I hadsubmitted were, like I love
being able to like, intuitivelydecide, like which food to eat.
You know, which I can dototally fine by myself.
But like when I'm with myhusband or with family and
friends and there's otheropinions or you know decisions
(43:54):
that need to be made, how do Idecide, like you know, if I
intuitively, you know check thatI should eat you know salmon
and a salad, but my husband'slike no, we're having hamburgers
and French fries tonight.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
You know.
I think that has to do becauseI think you know what it is when
you really hone in on your,your abilities and what you're
capable of, then, first of all,you won't have the questioning,
so you'll just you know what yousay will go, because that's
that's, that's you being againfrom somewhere.
Some doubt is being put inthere or someone is trying to
take control of the decisionthat you're actually making.
(44:30):
So that is part of it and yeah,I think that's that's a part of
it.
But what else you could do isyou could see, like on a level
of like, how optimal somethingis for your body.
How optimal is the burgerversus the, uh, the salmon?
And maybe you can find like acompromise of the two.
Uh, find a way that you coulddo like a salmon burger you know
(44:53):
what I mean.
Like, try and play around withit and see, like, is there an
alternative that will serve mybody as good as the salmon?
But we'll make everybody happyand see if you can find, find
something else and you can playaround with that a little bit,
because I assume that whenyou're testing the stuff, like
with your body, there could bemore than one option.
(45:14):
Maybe there's one that's thebetter, best, best option for
today.
But could you find a middleground of something that will be
as good for your body assomething else?
And are there you could evenlike map out, like?
So what I do with with themembers.
I give them a list of proteinsources and then they can
obviously intuitively check inwhat is better for their body at
(45:36):
what point.
But then maybe you have a listof choices that are all 94% or
more optimal for your body andthen you could pick one of the
two, so, or one of the uh, thefive, right, so if, for example,
it's, you could even go in andhave like, okay, so you have
this type of mints for burgers,you have the burger patties, or
(45:58):
you can do this, and then youcan like.
Or a chicken burger, and thenyou could even like play around
with that a little bit.
If he wants the burger with thefries, so bad, and you you
don't feel like dealing withthat reflection and you want to
do something else, then youcould play around with that a
little bit.
But I would also highly suggestlooking into what is happening
there, where they're trying totake over control over the
(46:20):
decisions that you're thatyou're making for nutrition,
right.
Of course you want to keepeverybody happy, but if you've
got all of that figured out, youcreate, whether that's the case
or not.
So I know it's it's mind buck,but it's true.
Yeah, so that's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I don't know if you do this too, manu, I heard Al
mention it I can't remember when, but he said that he will
sometimes also ask, like, if Ieat this, like say, it's a
family gathering and there'scake, he will say, if I eat this
cake, how long is it going totake to get out of my body?
Or like, how long will itaffect my body?
I've been doing that and I'mlike whoa, the things I'm saying
(47:05):
no to, because I get a hugelike this is going to take 30
days, like, to process out ofyour body.
Like that's another thing.
That kind of helps me makedecisions as well.
But yeah, do you do that too?
Speaker 2 (47:13):
I need to implement that more.
To be honest, I need toimplement that more.
To be honest, I have likeintuited like the best sources
of proteins for me and thingslike that, but I am pretty good
with not eating a lot ofprocessed stuff, so so, yeah, I
(47:33):
I sometimes also because I hadsuch a relationship with
nutrition for a while where Iwas restricting myself for such
a long time that for mesometimes it's okay to have a
little more leniency, but theleniency is like a bite of
chocolate or a cookie here orthere, or homemade cookies that
I make.
But you know that's why.
But I would like to implementthat more.
(47:55):
So thank you for reminding meof that one.
It's a good one.
I remember him saying that aswell.
But yeah, for example, withdrinking, for example, I've
basically almost completely,apart from maybe a Prosecco or
something here and there on aspecial occasion, but that also,
when I know that it's going tobe the best thing for me, I'm
very easy to drop it immediately.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
So I have like a glass of red wine once in a
while.
He said, as long as it's justone glass and you're not like
getting drunk, you know, you'rejust enjoying the taste of it.
He said it shouldn't affect youtoo much if it's once in a
while.
So I was like, oh, thank God,because I love having, I'm
Italian, I love having my glassof red wine every once in a
while.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, but I have that with Prosecco too, like when I
like to celebrate something, Ilike to have like a glass of
bubbly or something like that,just for like, for the heck of
it, you know, like just for thecelebration, and I enjoy it.
But you know, I also find thatwhen I like find alcohol-free
beers or things like that, butthey're like fruity, because I
don't like actual beer flavor,just to make it like a special
(49:02):
occasion, that always helps.
And I think what I reallynoticed as well, and that with
like through my fitness journeyin the beginning.
So alcohol is a great example,and the eating as well.
I had a lot of judgment fordoing the things that I was
doing because it was extreme,everything that I was doing
right.
So, and you would always getthese looks like oh, I remember
sitting at like a restaurant andeverybody's ordering a glass of
(49:25):
wine, and then they'd look allat me like, oh, what's she going
to do?
And it was so annoying becauseI was like, why is there so much
like stress around this?
Like, can I just decide formyself?
I think the more, because theless rooted you are to decisions
right, the more they can pokeholes into it.
(49:45):
So the more I was like maybe Ishould have the glass.
Oh, what are they going tothink?
The more I had that goingaround in my system, the more
they questioned it.
Now, new year's Eve, my momgoes and buys me an alcohol free
Prosecco so that I can join in,and they don't even question it
anymore and they don't even askit or put any pressure on me
anymore because they just knownow that I've made that decision
(50:08):
.
So you know, especially likewith that, you could.
You could even say, like withthe nutrition, like what should
I eat this week?
And then a map out a few meals.
You could even like, do for thefuture, right.
Like you'd be like, oh, whatshould I eat this week?
And then map out a few meals.
You could even like, do for thefuture, right.
Like you'd be like, oh, should Ihave salmon on Tuesday?
Should I have a burger onFriday?
And map it out for the entireweek and then just go to your
(50:31):
partner and be like here's themenu for the week.
You're going to be happy withit or not.
I mean, you can order somethingin if you don't like what we're
eating on Tuesday, but that'sthe deal, right.
So I think taking control ofthat situation and just like
seeing, like, hey, listen, thisis what I want to do, this is
what I'm going to stick to, andit would be good for you.
(50:53):
Maybe you'll like it too.
Try something different, andthen we'll have burgers on
Friday.
Do you know what I'm saying?
So playing around with that alittle bit as well and just
being like rooted to thedecisions that you're making,
that makes a big difference.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
Yeah, when I first stopped drinking alcohol, like
when I first heard that that'slike a big no-no with your
intuition I was like that's it,I'm done, you know, and we're
I'm in Vacaville.
I told you that, angela.
So we're like Napa Valley islike our next door neighbor.
So we spent a lot of time, alot of weekends, a lot of
getaways, you know, over in NapaValley, which is just all wine
(51:29):
country.
And so at first I remember,like having a timber tantrum
with Megan through an email andI was like no, I'm so close,
like don't tell me that alcoholis bad for you.
But so I wasn't.
I wasn't fully rooted with it,but in my like I still was, like
I was just ready to give it up,but I just wasn't a hundred
(51:50):
percent rooted.
So when we would go out todinner, or you know, we still
had like a ton of wine, you know, in the house and my husband
would be like I'm going to havea glass of wine, do you want a
glass?
And I'd be like no, why?
Like, why don't you want aglass of wine?
It would get questioned, youknow.
Or if I got you know a glass ofwater, you know at a restaurant
and somebody's like everybodyelse is getting alcohol, aren't
(52:12):
you drinking?
Like, why are you questioningthat?
Like I wouldn't question youLike it's my choice, but now I'm
so rooted in it and like youknow it's just, it never gets
brought up anymore.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
So yeah, that's what happens.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
They just stop asking the question, yeah yeah, yeah,
they do yeah yeah, so I candefinitely relate to that, yeah,
yeah, and it's a big.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
It's a big thing.
It's a hard hurdle to get overbecause it's just been so
socially like part of it andyou're boring if you don't drink
, right, which is just not thecase, yeah, but that's all part
of the programming again, ofwhat we're being told, right,
that you can't have fun withoutit.
And I actually have one friendhere in the area who recently
(52:55):
quit drinking and even himasking so what do you look
forward to?
Then?
It's like life not not feelinglike shit the next day.
You know like exactly so, andit's great, like it's.
It's hard for people becauseit's been so, so normalized and
(53:16):
I, honestly, am grateful becauseof my bodybuilding competition,
but that's the thing whenthere's a goal I have in mind, I
don't care, I don't care, I'lldo what needs to be done.
And so with the alcohol, Istopped back then already and it
snuck back in like not badly,but like a little more
frequently, and but that made itso much easier to stop again
(53:39):
because I was like, oh yeah, Imean this, I've done this before
, so I just stop and then, andthen it's done.
But yeah, there's a lot ofsocial stigma and stuff around
it, and especially, I know, incities like Amsterdam, for
example, like more the theWestern areas, well, here too,
to be honest.
But here it's a different thing.
I feel it's a different thing.
(54:00):
I feel like there's a lot ofescapism in in, uh, especially
when I look at my, my siblings,maybe my sister more than my
brother, but like it's a lot ofescapism when it comes to to to
drinking.
You know, like a lot of like,oh, I've had a hard week and I
need to forget about like myhard week and like unwind and
relax and and it's, it's reallybad.
(54:22):
It's just so sad actually thatwe, that people, want to escape
their own lives so badly.
You know that's, that's notgood.
I don't think we should beliving like that.
I never felt that way so, and Idon't think we need to, so I'm
I choose not to.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Yeah, I just wrote a whole.
I did a source channeling onSunday about addiction.
So it's funny, that's thethings I talked about.
Was it's so interesting andlike all of that and how dark
force related it is to, you know, hollywood glamorizing alcohol
and drugs and all of this kindof stuff, is it just keeps us
limited and it keeps us yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
But isn't that with everything Like?
That's the thing, Like I postedrecently with the body
positivity movement and when youstart realizing they twist body
positivity in a way that you'resupposed to feel positive about
your body but they're actuallykeeping you down and small and
compliant with being unhappy inyour body by by like how do you
(55:21):
say like?
By putting like a mask over it,saying like this is so that you
can feel great in all shapesand sizes, and in fact they're
just pushing like unhealthybodies and like keeping you
small.
It's really insane.
When you start seeing how muchthis is being done in all areas,
Like look at Ozempic, that's anew thing as well that's like
(55:45):
it's crazy.
But what it does to your body islike insane.
It's like a no, no, I was likeanything that does that that
quickly is not good for you,Like it just can't be.
And the thing is, again it'staking you away from the power
that you have, because you havethat power, but we want to be
(56:05):
disconnected from our bodies andwe want to be getting the
results as quick as possible,and so that, for that again like
disconnects you even more fromwhat your body's trying to
communicate to you.
And so what's going to happen?
It's going to show up in otherareas of your life and you're
just going to, you're just goingto have a worse time, so, but
(56:26):
people don't realize that that'sthe thing they're so easy to be
like.
Oh, this is it, this is justwho I am.
And it's, it's, it's crazybecause it's not.
You know, you can do so muchmore like and, and.
When people start realizingthat, that's like the coolest
thing, when they start realizing, oh, I don't, this is not how
(56:47):
I'm supposed to be.
So yeah, it's, it's really,it's really crazy.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
Well, this was so.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
I know.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
I'm like I could chat about this all day.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
I know I was like there's another rabbit hole I
could go down just over here.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Well, thank you so much for coming on.
Yeah, no problem.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
I hope you enjoyed it .
Speaker 1 (57:11):
Yeah, no I love it.
I love our chats.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
Thank you for listening to Unveiled.
I always love hearing yourtakeaways, so please connect
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Every single review matters andit helps me reach more people
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If you leave a review, let meknow and I'll send you a little
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(57:44):
notes.
Sending you all love.
Welcome to Unveiled, the podcast.
I'm your host, angela Christian, and I help you with unveiling
your true self by peeling awaythe layers that society placed
on you.
I do this with a combination ofneuroscience, energetics and
ancient spiritual wisdom.
I went from underpaid andoverworked in corporate America
to launching a six-figurecompany that continues to grow.
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over a year as I worked andcontinue to work on becoming the
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My greatest passion is to helpwomen and mothers heal,
transform and become the highestversions of themselves.
Heal, transform and become thehighest versions of themselves.
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As I continue to grow andexpand my intuitive knowledge
and unique wisdom, I'll beincluding you on my journey to
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Hello and welcome back toUnveiled.
Today I have a different type ofepisode for you.
That came to me very lastminute when I was talking to one
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of my friends and fellowintuitives, manuk.
So she and I decided to do apodcast swap where she comes
onto my podcast and then I goonto hers.
So she wanted me to come on herpodcast and have her members
there she has a membershipcommunity and to be able to ask
(01:30):
me questions and I just thought,wow, that's such a great idea.
So very last minute, like twodays before this podcast, I told
my members of Unveiled that ifthey wanted to join live, they
could and ask Manuk questions.
So one member was able to joinlive, which was so amazing
because it just gave it adifferent kind of feel, and I
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decided I'm going to do thisprobably once a month, where I
bring on a guest and if you'rein my membership at any level I
have three different levels ofmy membership so at any level of
my membership you'll be able tojoin us live once a month and
ask my guests questions.
So you would get a little bitmore advanced notice than I did
(02:14):
this time, but I just had neverthought of doing that until
Manuk mentioned it.
So we have my membership client, annette, on here and Manuk is
an intuitive fitness andnutrition expert and she's just
talking about her journey fromhaving OCD from you know, trying
(02:36):
the very drastic dietingroutine to where she's at now.
So I hope you'll enjoy it asmuch as I did and hope to see
you in my membership where youcan come and join our next live
guest.
So without further ado, let'sjump in.
Hi so excited to be here.
(02:57):
I'm so excited to have you on,and Annette is for my membership
, so she's going to be asking.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
She's also in GLH, so she's yes yes, I do recognize
the name, awesome yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So I'm so excited.
So if you want to just start,just for the listeners for the
podcast, a new book, met andGuided Light Healing.
I think Dark Forces was thefirst class we were in together.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I want to say yeah, I think so too.
Yeah, because you started withintuition, I think before me,
right, I think so.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, yeah, and I think yeah, at one point we were
in intuition level two together.
There was crossover, but Ithink we first met in Dark
Forces.
Yes, yes, but yeah, why don'tyou give us your background, how
you came to GLH, the wholestory?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
The whole story?
Yeah, sure, of course.
So basically I how do I saythis?
So I started as Well.
Where do I begin?
Because it's a whole story thatties in together.
I basically started as anutritionist.
I've always like was wanting tohelp people in one way or
another, so I studied psychology, found myself in like a
(04:11):
corporate job and then ended upthinking this is not for me,
this is not my vibe, I need todo something different, right?
And I was like gettingsuffocated in the corporate
world and what I noticed alreadyfrom a young age and I think
like a lot of girls can identifywith this I struggled with my
body image, with myself, with myconfidence, with all of this
(04:32):
stuff.
So I think that's where it kindof started, where I was like I
wanted to help people.
And then I actually struggledwith OCD when I was really,
really young.
So I was like really like I hadlike compulsive behaviors from
a young age and I wanted tounderstand why that was already
at like a young age, right.
(04:53):
I wanted to understand how thatworked and all of this.
And then I remember like goingto one psychologist child
psychologist who reallyintrigued me, so I started
asking her about how all of thatworked.
Right, she made me put likethese little like she had like a
sandbox.
And then she made meintuitively and I'm like now
figuring that out pick out likelittle, like statues to put in
(05:15):
the sandbox.
About how I felt, I don'treally remember.
She would ask me questions andshe'd be like okay, which one
like resonates?
And I remember loving that.
I was like this is so coolbecause she could tell me a
story about you know why I waspicking those things.
And I think that's when I sortof was like this is so
interesting and I startedthinking, oh, maybe I should
become a psychologist.
(05:35):
I remember asking her about herwork.
So then I was like, oh, this issomething that I could do,
right, this is something that Iwould like to do.
So, anyways, that's kind ofwhere I realized now some of
that already like started and soI ended up studying psychology,
ended up in a corporate job,hated it, felt suffocated, and
(05:57):
then ended up going and workingat like a health and fitness
center and actually during thatperiod well, yes, during that
period I started competing in abodybuilding competition.
So it kind of started out aslike so I met a friend at work
and it started out as a kind ofan idea because I was always
(06:18):
struggling with my body.
I felt like I was tryingeverything training.
I thought I was eating right,even though I had no idea what I
was doing.
I thought I was training right,even though I still had so many
questions about all of that.
So I ended up doing thisbodybuilding competition and it
was sort of like more like anidea to just sort of see where
it would take me and when I didthat, I'm very good.
(06:42):
I think that's part of my OCDtrait that I still kind of have
when I want something, I don'tlet go until I get it.
So and then I'm very obsessiveabout it.
So like that is all thatmatters to me in that moment.
So that's why that reallyserved me in the training world.
So I ended up like really likeseeing the results.
(07:03):
Especially when I see theresults then I keep going.
So I think this applies to theGLH works work as well, so that
ties in nicely as well.
So I ended up doing thatimmediately, started seeing how
I was like getting results,because I was focusing on the
right nutrition.
It was very extreme.
I never recommend what I did,but I saw the results from it.
I learned learned a lot aboutabout my body, about training,
(07:25):
about nutrition, about how youcan literally transform your
body like crazy when you do theright things, or when you do the
right things in the right way.
Not in the way that I did it,but it made me realize how much
power you have over transformingyour body.
And then what happened was Iwas like, okay, I need to help
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people with this, I need to helppeople feel confident in their
bodies, and figuring that out.
But little did I know.
Just because I got thatphysique right didn't fix the
internal struggles that I washaving.
So that is where the ballstarted rolling.
I got out of the competition.
I really did everything by thebook reverse dieting and trying
(08:10):
to maintain the body fatpercentage that I had, or a
little higher, and still stay aslean.
But my body started rebellingtowards me because it needed
more nourishment, it needed morelove, and what I kept doing?
I kept beating up my body fornot doing what I wanted it to do
.
So what ended up happening?
Even though I did everythingright, I did compete in a second
(08:30):
competition.
I didn't get half as lean and I.
I really struggled with thatand then after that I started
gaining weight, even though Iwas training like two hours a
day, eating in a very lowcalorie deficit 1200 calories
and my body just kept putting onweight.
And so I realized I needed tostart healing my body and my
(08:51):
perception of myself.
And that's kind of when thatjourney started taking off and I
started working as anutritionist yeah, freelance,
like freelance nutritionist,while still doing some other
jobs, you know, to keep thebusiness up and running.
I realized I really likedhelping people with that,
because I realized how littlepeople knew about nutrition and
for me the nutrition aspectseemed more important than the
(09:12):
training aspect at the time.
But what I realized that peoplewanted, like they wanted to do
both.
So then I ended up becoming apersonal trainer.
But I've always wanted more andI've always, like, been into
the spiritual world and Iactually had like a spiritual
coach around, like right afterthe first competition, I think,
and she really made me realizesomething and that was because,
(09:35):
having been to psychologists asa young girl struggling with OCD
and all of these things, Ididn't like like how they
sometimes would kind of make mefeel kind of like more, like, oh
, that's so sad, you know likeit was like not empowering at
all, to the point where at somelike with one of the
psychologists, I was like canyou stop babying me?
(09:57):
Can you just tell me, likewhat's the deal?
And I remember thinking likethis is not helping me at all.
And then I even had oneexperience where someone took
the DSM five you know where allthe mental health stuff.
She took it out and she juststarted looking through things
and then she was like, oh yeah,so next week we're going to talk
about medication.
I was like I don't wantmedication.
(10:18):
Like what are you talking about?
Like that's not what I'm herefor.
So that was the first and thelast time I went there and then
I left and so I found this otherlike she was also very
spiritual and it's the firsttime that I realized that you
could be spiritual.
But you didn't have to be ahippie, you know, you didn't
(10:38):
have to be like.
She would always say likedrinking green smoothies, doing
yoga and meditating 10 hours aday.
You know, because I didn'tidentify with that, I've always
liked like luxury things.
I always liked, you know, like,like being like luxurious,
doing the fun, fun stuff, nothaving to, like, you know, grow
(11:00):
hair under my armpits and youknow, do that.
You know, grow hair under myarmpits and you know, do that.
I was like that's not me, soand I didn't like we even have a
word for it in the NetherlandsLike it's like like floaty, like
you know, like a little bit upin the air.
You're not fully here, thattype of person.
(11:26):
So I went for a session with herand for the first time, because
she had such light energy I'mrealizing now I think she lifted
me up in her energy.
So when I was there, sheliterally like touched something
in me that made me realize howtruly powerful I was, and coming
out of that session, I was like, yeah, but that's how you're
supposed to feel.
You're not supposed to go backto the garbage.
You should like step into whatyou're meant to be.
(11:47):
And so that's when those thingsstarted clicking.
I was very interested in that,but we never really learned
intuition and stuff like that,and so I was still working on my
business.
And then I started like wantingto do my business online and
helping more women and feelempowered and actually, as Al
also says in our coaching, likegiving women the tools so that
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they understand training andnutrition other than having to
rely on, like you know what theoutside world is telling you,
because it's full of BS outthere, right Like there's so
much trash out there.
Full of BS out there, rightLike, there's so much trash out
there.
There's so much like likefakery, like people pretending
(12:33):
they've achieved something thatthey haven't, drugs being like
used, all kinds of things.
And I wanted women to feelempowered in themselves, that
they understand how everythingworks, cause that really helps
me break free from like thecycle.
And then I actually ended upwanting to do dark forces first,
but I realized I wanted tomanifest more, like financially
as well, and rolled into the GLHworld, starting with like the
(12:58):
money manifestate, or money,financial mastery and intuition.
I didn't like thought like oh,you have to like, but we're all
born like that.
That's the crazy thing, we'reall born like that.
But like I didn't realize youcould like train these gifts and
(13:20):
open them up.
And now that is like the nextlevel to where I'm at, where I
realize what my body was doingto me and I tapped into that
already back then, that my bodywas rebelling towards what I was
doing to it.
But now connecting all the dotstogether and realizing that it
was my body reflecting to me howI was being literally abusive
(13:44):
towards myself for not being theway that I should have been,
and now adding in this componentand the intuition component and
being able to scan people'senergetic bodies and see what
they need nutritionally, withthe background and with
everything, is just a total gamechanger.
So that's the short, longversion of how I ended up at GLH
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.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Well, I love it because we've never really like
talked about that, because we'realways other things.
But two things came up.
One is that's so funny becauseI think maybe that's a common
theme is like people come to GLHfor the financial like I need
cause.
That's exactly what I did.
I was like, ooh, I'm going tobuy the financial analysis or
(14:28):
something.
So I went on their website.
It wouldn't let me purchase it,like it just wouldn't.
So I ended up reaching out toMegan and I was like I'm trying
to purchase this and it won'tlet me.
And she's like oh, that'susually a sign that your higher
self wants you to do somethingelse.
So I took financial mastery.
That was the first class I evertook with them too, me too.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Me too.
I started there, yeah, and theninto intuition right after,
cause that was like the next,next step and I did.
I like it's literallyeverything that I've been
looking for, because I rememberright before that's the funny
thing right before I ended uptraining my intuition and doing
all of this stuff.
I've always been into astrologyand figuring that out.
(15:08):
I've always was like I wasdiving into human design
couldn't make much sense of it,though I was trying to figure it
out.
Numerology like I went throughall of it.
I was diving into human designCouldn't make much sense of it,
though I was trying to figure itout.
Numerology Like I went throughall of it.
I was like, oh, maybe this isit.
Maybe this is it Cause I wasalways into this stuff.
But I was like I don't want tobe an astrologer, like yeah, but
and then this just madeeverything like click into place
(15:30):
and also just it all makes somuch sense.
Like it just yeah, it justmakes so much sense and it's so,
it's so cool, and I neverrealized how much this would
transform my business as well.
It's really crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
No, I love that.
I haven't trained with anastrologer but I couldn't quite.
It was so complex.
Like when you start readingstuff, it's just like so complex
.
But yeah, it was like exactlywhat you just said.
And then the other piece islike it was.
It's such a beautiful story ofhow you've literally experienced
all the extremes because that'swhat we have to do for our soul
(16:04):
path Right, because in order tohelp people, we need to
experience all of thoseobstacles and extremes and then
now you can literally like helpanyone at any stage of their
like health journey, nutrition,nutritional journey, like you
can tell them why they're notreleasing excess weight, all of
that.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
So a hundred percent and a big component, I think, of
me, because I remember having aconversation with one of my
friends and we'd always likekind of speak also about like I
don't know.
We'd always speak about likemanifestation and things in the
world and I always believedthere was like a path.
I've always been like that, butlike I remember her, me and her
(16:42):
sitting in the train and I toldher like I was considering
doing this bodybuilding thingand she's like oh yeah, I can
see you on a stage like totallyripped with like, and I was like
I couldn't see it.
Yet I was like, yeah, there'sno way.
And the thing is I think I saidthis to people.
I was like I think the reason Iwas able to do it and I did it
(17:04):
totally natural, which somepeople don't believe, but I did
it totally, totally natural isbecause I was so sure I could do
it, like there was no doubt inmy mind that I could do it, and
I realized that because it justwent.
It just went like I don't knowwhat happened, but because I was
doing the right things and Ibelieve that I could do it, I
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did it.
The second time round, however,the doubt started kicking in
and it didn't, and it didn'twork.
Plus, I was just being reallylike harsh to my body, so it's
and and I needed to shift someperspectives Like my body was
probably like okay, girl, you'veachieved this.
Now Like let's take it to thenext level and let's see if you
can figure out that this isn'tit.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, totally Well, will you explain how you work
with people, like in yourmembership and then also with
the new program you released,like what you do with the
clients in there?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah, sure, Sure, of course.
So I have two programs at themoment.
So I have my membership andthen I have my your Body is
Magic program and they comequite nicely like hand in hand
together.
And I'm even stirring upsomething new, but I'll I'll I
think that will be July, um, sobasically, and then obviously
(18:22):
one-on-ones, basically what I dowith the first idea.
The initial idea of themembership was and that's the
portal you will see that in theportal when you enter and you
join my membership the firstidea was basically you have your
own like little mini personaltrainer in a pocket.
That was kind of the idea.
So you basically you open theportal and inside the portal you
have the explanation.
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In short, without it's being toocomplicated, in a simplified
way, this is what you need tofocus on when it comes to
nutrition.
This is how you calculate yournutrition, this is how how many
proteins, carbs, et cetera, etcetera and that's what you need
to focus on, nutrition wise.
And some ticks and tips ticks,tips and trips, tricks I can't
(19:03):
speak tips and tricks to, tolike make it easier on yourself
to be able to enjoy those, uh,those things and still eat the
things that you love, andunderstand how nutrition works,
Because that was a big thing forme.
That really changed a lot forme.
And then you also have a wholelike module or a lesson.
(19:23):
Yeah, it's a module on training.
So, basically, how doestraining work?
What do you focus on?
How do you set up your trainingprogram?
How do you decide what's apriority exercise and what is
not?
How do you build it out andlike all like little mini videos
explaining how all of thatworks.
We go into supplements, andthen there's a little actually
(19:43):
limiting belief module as welland a rest and recovery module
as well.
And then inside there I alsohave like exercises, so an
exercise index, because I amvery big on form.
I think it is so important whenyou're going to the gym that
you're executing the exercisescorrectly, because I cannot tell
you how many times I see girlstrying things out in the gym and
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they're going to hurtthemselves.
You're wasting your energy andyou're going to hurt yourself
all at the same time.
And I think it is so importantto understand what you need to
be focusing on and how you needto be doing it, especially with
social media, just throwing outcertain exercises here and there
and also understanding, likehow it all works, because
there's a lot of misconceptionsabout training and that you need
(20:26):
to be dying to get the resultsthat you want.
It's not true.
That you need to be doing HIITexercises to get the results
that you want also couldactually have a negative effect
on your body.
So all of that is inside theportal, with a recipe ebook and
some other goodies in there.
And now I'm actually expandingwith this kind of idea as well,
where I'm going to do a Q&Aevery two, twice a month, which
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is open to everybody, but themembership gets access to them
like for life.
And then that membership wasdesigned for people who joined
the membership.
I have a separate group chatand a community for them to talk
, to motivate each other, to askquestions where necessary, and
(21:10):
also me, and then we have acoaching call every three weeks
to discuss progress questionsand all of this stuff.
So that was the first initialidea.
And oh, and, you get access tofour workout programs online to
start with.
That was the initial idea.
Then now, having adding inintuition, what I actually do is
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I do like a scan, an overallquick scan of members and I kind
of intuit what their macroswould be.
So to get them to the best bodylike, to get them in the best
shape of their life is basically, I intuit that, or even true
self body, because you have abody that you're meant to have
(21:52):
in this lifetime and that's kindof what I base a lot of it on.
But I do ask members if theyunderstand the concept.
Would they rather go for theone filter or the other filter,
so true self or best shape oftheir life, which probably most
of the time will be on par?
And then I go in and I pull howmany carbs, how many proteins
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and fats they should be eatingon a daily basis to achieve that
result, and I even intuit whichsources of protein, carbs and
fats they should be eating toget the best results that are
most optimal for their body.
And then I give them aguideline of which exercises to
focus on, how many reps, howmany sets.
All of that I intuit based oftheir body's blueprint,
(22:40):
basically the scan of the body,and obviously then in the group
chat, if they ever do have aquestion, I can sometimes tap in
and see if, for example, asupplement will work for them,
if, for example, they should bedoing something different and if
they are developing theirintuition, I also ask them to
play around with the question.
(23:00):
So even when you're in the gym,you can intuitively feel out if
you should be doing one exerciseor the other, if this is a good
swap for that.
So there's a lot of ways youcan kind of go with it, but the
basis of it is understanding howit all works for yourself and
then you having the empowermentand the tools to do it.
So that's the membership,that's the membership, and then
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we have the your Body is Magicprogram, which is basically, I
would say it's like the glow upcourse, the eight week glow up
program, and I am coaching itlive as we speak, but people can
jump in and they can watch,because the first two weeks are
up.
The third week I'm uploading aswe speak and in this program we
(23:48):
are going to dive intoeverything body reflections.
So, and the idea is that youwork through your body
reflections, understand whatevery body reflection is telling
you, so that you can not onlyshift that reflection and
manifest, basically, your dreambody, but you can also, as a
result of that, shift yourlimiting beliefs and because
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you're shifting your limitingbeliefs, you start manifesting
more abundance, betterrelationships, your dream life.
Basically because it's thelimiting beliefs that are
holding you back from achievingeverything that you desire in
your life and when you can goand use your body as your
teacher, as your roadmap, tofigure out what is going on.
So, for example, if you'reholding onto fat in the legs,
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for example, you can be like,ooh, I'm insecure, I'm beating
myself up about my path in life,there's some shifting I need to
do there.
And when you become more securein your path in life, not only
will your legs slim down, butyou will also start making
better steps in your life andyou will start transforming your
life.
You also.
We also do a lot of self-imagehealing.
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We're diving into that.
And when you start findingyourself more attractive, other
people start finding you moreattractive.
When you start feeling moreconfident in your body, other
people will start seeing that inyou and being more magnetized
to you.
So it all overlaps into one coolthing and I love puzzling and
figuring out all bodyreflections.
I think it's super interestingand I'm also doing like last
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week we spoke about anti-aging,because I want it to be like the
ultimate like glow up program,where you like glow up yourself
and anti-age yourself and get tothe fittest, most sexy, most
hottest version of yourself andat the same time you're kicking
ass in life.
So you literally like geteverything in one because I
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believe it all interlinks.
I believe it all interlinks andthe anti-aging part of it is
just something that intrigues meso much, especially as a woman
in my thirties also, you know,starting to go down that and
wanting to stay younger andfitter for longer and even
diving into potentially, youknow, rejuvenating my
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reproductive organs and all ofthat stuff, because I still
would like to have kids at somepoint and I know that's also a
concern.
So I'm trying to interlink allof that into this eight week
program to literally give youlike the full body glow up and
then that translating into yourlife and understanding your body
to the max.
(26:20):
So those are the two programsthat I have at the moment and
the eight week program isrunning live right now and then,
as soon as it's finished, I'mgoing to do something along the
lines of having check-ins aswell for those of, for those
people that are joining the uh,the eight week program, and then
I have a whole community foreverybody who is inside my
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program.
And yeah, and I think I'm goingto be adding in in July, that's
the new thing that I'm I'mstirring up is like a cell a
four week self image healing,intensive Cause I feel it, it's
all.
It all is interlinked intobecoming the best version of
yourself.
So that's basically what I'mdoing at the moment.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Basically, that's it.
No, it's so much, no, it's easy, and learning and yeah, all of
this stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, but you love it .
That's why you it excites, itmakes you excited, and that's
what.
That's what this should feellike.
I feel totally.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, oh, I feel like it's so exciting and I love
that you're doing the anti-agingstuff too, because it's just
like we need that so much rightnow with everyone, like with all
the like Botox and fillers, andit's just like getting so far.
Not that I'm like against that,if that's what you want, like
your choice, but it's like Ipurposely was like I want to
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learn the secrets to like, youknow, not having to go that
route because they are findingthere's so many toxins and all
of that in it and if you don'theal the self-image, the
limiting beliefs, it's not goingto help with what you're really
trying to.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
It's not going to change.
It's not going to changeanything.
And I myself I was gettingBotox only for two years.
I like I started and then, assoon as I entered this world, I
stopped and I mean I've madesome great progress because I
literally I say this all thetime I really had severe like
forehead lines, like really,really like I call them like
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Grand Canyon.
So for me, first I was like, ohmy God, this Botox, because I
didn't think, I didn't eventhink that Botox could help it.
That's how bad I thought it wasat the time.
That's how bad I thought it wasat the time.
But you know, now, with thesetools, it's really cool because
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I get to like play around withit on myself and see how it
works.
I mean I'm like if my foreheadstays like, I still want to get
better results, but if it stayslike this, like I'm happy and I
haven't gotten anything in overa year right now, and it's so
especially where I'm at I'm inan Eastern European country at
the moment it's like all thewomen look the same.
So it's a big thing here andit's even like really ingrained,
(29:04):
because I have a friend with aaesthetics clinic and I went
over there to say hi, and one ofhis doctors, like they say it,
they go to you and they and hewas sitting with me it's like,
oh, you've got such a beautifulface, but I see you're very
expressive, so you know.
So they start like looking atyour lines and that's like also,
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like you know, a good test formy self-image to be like, yeah,
no, it's fine, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Wow, they do that.
Oh my gosh, that's wild yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
But it's a lot of that right here.
Even my friend saying, oh, Ineed to get my lips done, oh,
and then she's talking about herforehead and I see like
literally one line that's how,that's how deeply ingrained it
is.
And obviously that keeps usmore and more disconnected from
our bodies.
Right, if we keep looking forexternal ways to fix it instead
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of like going inward andactually listening to what it's
trying to tell us and seeingthat you could do that on your
own without all of that crap.
Basically, yeah, so that's hardfor people to believe because
we've been so disconnected fromourselves, from our power, from
what we're capable of.
Yeah, that's the wild, that'sthe wild thing.
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And when you start connectingall those dots, you're like holy
shit, they've been like reallymapping this out really well to
disconnect us from literallyeverything, to make us so like
submissive to everything that isgoing on.
basically, yeah and yeah, andit's like like.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And it's like, like we know it's like a group mind
virus.
That's like if you go onInstagram someone's talking
about getting Botox or fillersor whatever, then you go to
someone else and then all of asudden like I've had this happen
to me and then I'm like, oh,maybe I should just like go get
like some Botox.
And I'm like, wait, group mindvirus, need to like clear that
out.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I had it with lips.
Yes, it looks kind of nice.
Maybe I should do it and justlike no, you've got good lips.
What are you talking about,like?
Why yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
The dark side of social media is just like
they're just penetrating yourthoughts.
Your thoughts aren't even yours.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, a hundred percent, and it's with that as
well than yours, yeah, a hundredpercent, and it's with that as
well.
And that's something that I wasspeaking about, actually in a
one-on-one, about, like alsowith us in our thirties and, uh,
well, like with you know, withhaving children and needing to
start a family.
I think that's a big part andit's it's interesting because
it's coming up for me now a lotmore and more, also because my
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one of my best friends just hadher first, and so she even and
she's so open to all of this,right, she was already down this
rabbit hole before I was incertain ways, and she started
saying, yeah, well, manouk, youknow, now, seeing from a friend
of mine who was struggling withfertility, you know it's not
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that easy, so you should startthinking about it, like putting
that, you know, stress on youand you're like, wait a second,
this isn't even my own.
This thought isn't even my.
I've never worried about it.
I've always believed that itwill happen and it will happen
when it needs to happen.
But this doubt starts creepingin from all areas and that.
But it did make me want to diveinto that more, because I
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always believed.
I honestly also always had afeeling like I don't know if
I've ever told you this, butlike we have I don't know if
I've told you this, angela, butwe have like I feel like we had
a conversation about it we didabout Santa Claus and things
like that.
Did we speak about like that?
Yes, we did.
So here's something funny thatyou'll laugh at when I was seven
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years old, that like when I wasseven years old, I think that's
when I sort of like startedrealizing, like it's like almost
that's when I gainedconsciousness of what was going
on and that's when my OCD alsostarted like ramping up and
started happening and I startedbeing very aware of life and
death.
It was like very like I wouldget panic attacks about it
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because I would freak out likethinking of death, like what
would happen?
I thought, would I just ceaseto exist?
Like it would really, was likein my mind the whole time.
And so we have in theNetherlands something other than
Santa Claus.
We have Sinterklaas, which islike basically St Nicholas like,
where it's all St Nicholas,right, but this is like more
closer to the original story,but he's like, he's like just
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like Santa Claus, he livesforever and all of this stuff.
And I remember going to becauseof my.
I was obsessively washing myhands.
I remember going to a, to thechild psychologist and talking
about this and saying to heryeah, but it's not fair, how
come he gets to live forever?
But I don't.
I was like that makes no sense.
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Seven-year-old, right, likewhat the hell are you talking
about?
But I've already been.
I've been like thinking aboutthis for the longest time.
I've always believed that weshould be able to live longer
than that we live.
Yeah, I feel like I shoulddecide when I'm done with what
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we're doing.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
We might be able to, so exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
So that's why it's so funny, cause it all like ties
in.
And I would love to take thatvein down even more and see,
because even with like theenergy healing stuff that we're
doing, you know, I startedrealizing and I had a click
recently where I was like, sohang on, you die from something,
you don't just die, somethinghas to happen to kill you,
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otherwise you just stay alive.
So if you're able to heal mostthings, then you should be able
to live for way longer.
So all of that stuff.
It's so crazy with the agingstuff as well that I don't know
if you heard this, but that only5% of the 100% of our aging
symptoms are actually us aging.
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95% is all body reflectionswhich is like insane.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I know, yeah, it's like you know.
And when my parents, whenthey'll say like, oh, I forgot
something, I'm just getting old,I immediately like put up a
block.
I'm like, nope, not taking that.
It all just starts feeding intothat and then it becomes a lot
of focus and then it's just likemakes everything like yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I was so potent, right, because even with videos
and with videos that go aroundin the fitness world as well,
you know, after 30, they havethat sound right where
everything starts cracking whenyou're doing an exercise it's
like so potent, it's like reallylike, it's like grooming you to
be like, yeah, you're going tostart like withering away.
(35:47):
Now it's like, oh, okay, it'sso grim.
It's like it is right, like why?
So we're basically tellingourselves the story that that's
that that's the case.
And then, obviously, if youcontinuously tell yourself that
story, then that's what's gonna,that's what's gonna happen.
Yeah, so yeah, it's.
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It's very, it's veryinteresting to to find like it
gets me really excited to figureall of this out.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, no, I'm so excited and I will link your
website and social media and theshow notes for anyone.
Yes, and then is there anythingelse you wanted to add?
And then I know Annette had aquestion.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So for the questions, well, the only no, I think
nothing specifically just likethat.
This is.
This is so cool and I love, Ilove talking about all of this
and all the developments in thisarea.
It's super exciting and how itall overlaps, right.
Everything that you do, that Ido, and it's just really cool to
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be able to, to make thosechanges in people's lives, in
your own life, and see the work.
Work, that's the, that's thewildest thing, like I think it's
how quickly actually, when youthink about it, this stuff
starts working when you do itright is mind blowing, yeah, and
especially when you've lookedat other manifestation tricks,
where you're sitting in thebathroom and you're writing a
(37:10):
letter with a candle and youknow, like I've done it.
And then it's like, oh, but thisis what I needed, this is what
I needed to do.
Now it makes sense.
Yeah, so that's that's justwhat I love about it, and it
makes a lot of sense.
It's so practical actually,when you think about it.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
No yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Okay, yep.
So, annette, do you want to askyour question?
You can either just ask or youcan put it in the chat.
Either one Sure.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Let me make sure I got my volume on right.
Yep, yeah, Okay, your story wasamazing.
That's, that's awesome.
It's funny that you're in theNetherlands.
My daughter literally just toldme yesterday maybe the day
before that she's wanting to doher go to graduate school in the
Netherlands.
Oh really.
And so when she said that, I'dnever heard her say that before,
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so I was like, oh, that'sinteresting.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
All right, where did she say where Amsterdam?
She didn't say where.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
She just said the Netherlands in general and I was
like, all right, well, that'svery interesting.
Yeah, so I'm excited.
Then you said that's whereyou're from.
So you know, interesting.
But yeah, so I, when you guyswere talking about Botox and
stuff, I was on Botox forprobably five and a half, maybe
almost six years, for a coupleof reasons.
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Number one reason I experiencedsevere, chronic migraines since
I was like 11 years old and, youknow, tried all the different
medications, dealt with all thedifferent side effects and
finally just said you know, theside effects aren't worth the.
You know what I'm going through.
So I got off everything.
And then my girlfriend, who'slike big into, you know, body
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image and Botox and fillers andyou know, fixing areas on her
body, you know, to herperfection, she told me about,
you know, doing Botox and at thetime I was like I am deathly
afraid of needles.
I definitely don't want needlesin my head, Like that is an
absolute no for me.
But she eventually, you know,convinced me and you're right,
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like with social media andeverything that we're seeing
like online with you know howperfect you can be, you know,
and even my husband just makinglittle comments, like there was
a commercial that was out yearsago where the husband would be
like you know that hair, thatwrinkle, and he would always do
that to me and you know, butlike it, it affected me, it
really did.
(39:36):
So I eventually started theBotox and I was on such a high
dose it was like 200 units solike my forehead was like no
zero expression in my foreheadbut all the expression was like
down here, and so that that gotto me Cause I was like it, it
looks, it looks fake, like I cansee that it looks fake and I
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don't like and so I'd gotteninto, you know, started
following GLH just over a yearago and took a mentorship class
with Marlo Lemon Are you guysfamiliar with her?
So she's also a student of GLHhow toxins can affect you know
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our intuition like overallputting toxins in our body, what
we eat and in our environment,and especially you know Botox is
definitely a big no-no and westarted talking about that and I
stopped it last yeah me too,immediately, yeah.
So I, you know, did some deepsoul searching and decided, you
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know, that just wasn't right forme and, you know, cleared the
reflection of the migraines inthe first place, and that's the
big one, right?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
But then even you speaking about your your, was it
your husband that was makingcomments?
That's also all reflections,right.
And I remember I experiencedthat with my partner as well.
He was very critical of me andit stopped immediately after I
started working through whatthat like.
I didn't even do it consciously, I just started seeing my own
value, and then it stopped, yeah, and it was like oh, okay, yeah
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.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
So I, you know, worked through all of that and
then, you know, during hermentorship class, decided you
know, enough is enough, I don'twant this.
You know crap in my bodyanymore.
And you know, just stopped.
And so it's been, I thinkAugust, september, october,
november.
So September was my lastinjection.
Haven't had migraine headache,no, nothing.
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But of course you know Ihaven't stopped.
My husband was like no, like youhave to have the Botox, like
it's taken away your, yourmigraines, like I don't want to
take you in the emergency room,I don't want you in pain and I
don't need it.
Like I know that I don't needit and like I'm going to, I'm
going to prove that to you.
And so it was weird because,like he, between him and my
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daughter, my daughter was likesuper supportive and like that's
great, I'm proud of you mom.
Like I feel like you've gottento the root cause of this and
that like you're going to befine.
But my husband was like no,like you need this, you need to,
you need to keep getting these.
And I'm like I'm not going togo getting Botox for the rest of
my life, like I've already hadit for almost six years, like
this is.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
I just can't see myself doing that, no, but then
there, there there is stillsomething there for you to, to
uncover, like why he's stillprobing that with you, right,
like, what is that?
Is that?
Is that still like your insideout voice thinking that
somewhere?
Or is that him reflecting stillsomething there?
So, what could, what could workis like, see what?
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Like, what is it making youfeel?
Is it making you feel like he'strying to control you in a way
or somehow?
In that way?
And then you could go into okay, where do I feel like I don't
have the freedom to do X, y andZ, or getting pressure from an
area of life.
So maybe you're not getting itin your head anymore, but you're
getting it from your partner.
So maybe you're not getting itin your head anymore, but you're
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getting it from your partner.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
So, yeah, and diving into that, because then you'll
see, you can even like, stop himfrom making those comments,
yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it'sbeen, you know, I mean we're
halfway in through the year andit's like I'm so thrilled
because I like spent like overhalf of my life, you know, with
migraines and headaches, and itwas just who I was Like.
I just yeah, yeah, just how itis.
(43:25):
You know, this is my life.
You know, this is the card thatI was dealt with and but it
doesn't have to be that way.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
No, no, no, exactly, and that's the cool part.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Yeah, so super, super excited about that.
But the questions that I hadsubmitted were, like I love
being able to like, intuitivelydecide, like which food to eat.
You know, which I can dototally fine by myself.
But like when I'm with myhusband or with family and
friends and there's otheropinions or you know decisions
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that need to be made, how do Idecide, like you know, if I
intuitively, you know check thatI should eat you know salmon
and a salad, but my husband'slike no, we're having hamburgers
and French fries tonight.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
You know.
I think that has to do becauseI think you know what it is when
you really hone in on your,your abilities and what you're
capable of, then, first of all,you won't have the questioning,
so you'll just you know what yousay will go, because that's
that's, that's you being againfrom somewhere.
Some doubt is being put inthere or someone is trying to
take control of the decisionthat you're actually making.
(44:30):
So that is part of it and yeah,I think that's that's a part of
it.
But what else you could do isyou could see, like on a level
of like, how optimal somethingis for your body.
How optimal is the burgerversus the, uh, the salmon?
And maybe you can find like acompromise of the two.
Uh, find a way that you coulddo like a salmon burger you know
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what I mean.
Like, try and play around withit and see, like, is there an
alternative that will serve mybody as good as the salmon?
But we'll make everybody happyand see if you can find, find
something else and you can playaround with that a little bit,
because I assume that whenyou're testing the stuff, like
with your body, there could bemore than one option.
(45:14):
Maybe there's one that's thebetter, best, best option for
today.
But could you find a middleground of something that will be
as good for your body assomething else?
And are there you could evenlike map out, like?
So what I do with with themembers.
I give them a list of proteinsources and then they can
obviously intuitively check inwhat is better for their body at
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what point.
But then maybe you have a listof choices that are all 94% or
more optimal for your body andthen you could pick one of the
two, so, or one of the uh, thefive, right, so if, for example,
it's, you could even go in andhave like, okay, so you have
this type of mints for burgers,you have the burger patties, or
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you can do this, and then youcan like.
Or a chicken burger, and thenyou could even like play around
with that a little bit.
If he wants the burger with thefries, so bad, and you you
don't feel like dealing withthat reflection and you want to
do something else, then youcould play around with that a
little bit.
But I would also highly suggestlooking into what is happening
there, where they're trying totake over control over the
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decisions that you're thatyou're making for nutrition,
right.
Of course you want to keepeverybody happy, but if you've
got all of that figured out, youcreate, whether that's the case
or not.
So I know it's it's mind buck,but it's true.
Yeah, so that's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I don't know if you do this too, manu, I heard Al
mention it I can't remember when, but he said that he will
sometimes also ask, like, if Ieat this, like say, it's a
family gathering and there'scake, he will say, if I eat this
cake, how long is it going totake to get out of my body?
Or like, how long will itaffect my body?
I've been doing that and I'mlike whoa, the things I'm saying
(47:05):
no to, because I get a hugelike this is going to take 30
days, like, to process out ofyour body.
Like that's another thing.
That kind of helps me makedecisions as well.
But yeah, do you do that too?
Speaker 2 (47:13):
I need to implement that more.
To be honest, I need toimplement that more.
To be honest, I have likeintuited like the best sources
of proteins for me and thingslike that, but I am pretty good
with not eating a lot ofprocessed stuff, so so, yeah, I
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I sometimes also because I hadsuch a relationship with
nutrition for a while where Iwas restricting myself for such
a long time that for mesometimes it's okay to have a
little more leniency, but theleniency is like a bite of
chocolate or a cookie here orthere, or homemade cookies that
I make.
But you know that's why.
But I would like to implementthat more.
(47:55):
So thank you for reminding meof that one.
It's a good one.
I remember him saying that aswell.
But yeah, for example, withdrinking, for example, I've
basically almost completely,apart from maybe a Prosecco or
something here and there on aspecial occasion, but that also,
when I know that it's going tobe the best thing for me, I'm
very easy to drop it immediately.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
So I have like a glass of red wine once in a
while.
He said, as long as it's justone glass and you're not like
getting drunk, you know, you'rejust enjoying the taste of it.
He said it shouldn't affect youtoo much if it's once in a
while.
So I was like, oh, thank God,because I love having, I'm
Italian, I love having my glassof red wine every once in a
while.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, but I have that with Prosecco too, like when I
like to celebrate something, Ilike to have like a glass of
bubbly or something like that,just for like, for the heck of
it, you know, like just for thecelebration, and I enjoy it.
But you know, I also find thatwhen I like find alcohol-free
beers or things like that, butthey're like fruity, because I
don't like actual beer flavor,just to make it like a special
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occasion, that always helps.
And I think what I reallynoticed as well, and that with
like through my fitness journeyin the beginning.
So alcohol is a great example,and the eating as well.
I had a lot of judgment fordoing the things that I was
doing because it was extreme,everything that I was doing
right.
So, and you would always getthese looks like oh, I remember
sitting at like a restaurant andeverybody's ordering a glass of
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wine, and then they'd look allat me like, oh, what's she going
to do?
And it was so annoying becauseI was like, why is there so much
like stress around this?
Like, can I just decide formyself?
I think the more, because theless rooted you are to decisions
right, the more they can pokeholes into it.
(49:45):
So the more I was like maybe Ishould have the glass.
Oh, what are they going tothink?
The more I had that goingaround in my system, the more
they questioned it.
Now, new year's Eve, my momgoes and buys me an alcohol free
Prosecco so that I can join in,and they don't even question it
anymore and they don't even askit or put any pressure on me
anymore because they just knownow that I've made that decision
(50:08):
.
So you know, especially likewith that, you could.
You could even say, like withthe nutrition, like what should
I eat this week?
And then a map out a few meals.
You could even like, do for thefuture, right.
Like you'd be like, oh, whatshould I eat this week?
And then map out a few meals.
You could even like, do for thefuture, right.
Like you'd be like, oh, should Ihave salmon on Tuesday?
Should I have a burger onFriday?
And map it out for the entireweek and then just go to your
(50:31):
partner and be like here's themenu for the week.
You're going to be happy withit or not.
I mean, you can order somethingin if you don't like what we're
eating on Tuesday, but that'sthe deal, right.
So I think taking control ofthat situation and just like
seeing, like, hey, listen, thisis what I want to do, this is
what I'm going to stick to, andit would be good for you.
(50:53):
Maybe you'll like it too.
Try something different, andthen we'll have burgers on
Friday.
Do you know what I'm saying?
So playing around with that alittle bit as well and just
being like rooted to thedecisions that you're making,
that makes a big difference.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
Yeah, when I first stopped drinking alcohol, like
when I first heard that that'slike a big no-no with your
intuition I was like that's it,I'm done, you know, and we're
I'm in Vacaville.
I told you that, angela.
So we're like Napa Valley islike our next door neighbor.
So we spent a lot of time, alot of weekends, a lot of
getaways, you know, over in NapaValley, which is just all wine
(51:29):
country.
And so at first I remember,like having a timber tantrum
with Megan through an email andI was like no, I'm so close,
like don't tell me that alcoholis bad for you.
But so I wasn't.
I wasn't fully rooted with it,but in my like I still was, like
I was just ready to give it up,but I just wasn't a hundred
(51:50):
percent rooted.
So when we would go out todinner, or you know, we still
had like a ton of wine, you know, in the house and my husband
would be like I'm going to havea glass of wine, do you want a
glass?
And I'd be like no, why?
Like, why don't you want aglass of wine?
It would get questioned, youknow.
Or if I got you know a glass ofwater, you know at a restaurant
and somebody's like everybodyelse is getting alcohol, aren't
(52:12):
you drinking?
Like, why are you questioningthat?
Like I wouldn't question youLike it's my choice, but now I'm
so rooted in it and like youknow it's just, it never gets
brought up anymore.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
So yeah, that's what happens.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
They just stop asking the question, yeah yeah, yeah,
they do yeah yeah, so I candefinitely relate to that, yeah,
yeah, and it's a big.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
It's a big thing.
It's a hard hurdle to get overbecause it's just been so
socially like part of it andyou're boring if you don't drink
, right, which is just not thecase, yeah, but that's all part
of the programming again, ofwhat we're being told, right,
that you can't have fun withoutit.
And I actually have one friendhere in the area who recently
(52:55):
quit drinking and even himasking so what do you look
forward to?
Then?
It's like life not not feelinglike shit the next day.
You know like exactly so, andit's great, like it's.
It's hard for people becauseit's been so, so normalized and
(53:16):
I, honestly, am grateful becauseof my bodybuilding competition,
but that's the thing whenthere's a goal I have in mind, I
don't care, I don't care, I'lldo what needs to be done.
And so with the alcohol, Istopped back then already and it
snuck back in like not badly,but like a little more
frequently, and but that made itso much easier to stop again
(53:39):
because I was like, oh yeah, Imean this, I've done this before
, so I just stop and then, andthen it's done.
But yeah, there's a lot ofsocial stigma and stuff around
it, and especially, I know, incities like Amsterdam, for
example, like more the theWestern areas, well, here too,
to be honest.
But here it's a different thing.
I feel it's a different thing.
(54:00):
I feel like there's a lot ofescapism in in, uh, especially
when I look at my, my siblings,maybe my sister more than my
brother, but like it's a lot ofescapism when it comes to to to
drinking.
You know, like a lot of like,oh, I've had a hard week and I
need to forget about like myhard week and like unwind and
relax and and it's, it's reallybad.
(54:22):
It's just so sad actually thatwe, that people, want to escape
their own lives so badly.
You know that's, that's notgood.
I don't think we should beliving like that.
I never felt that way so, and Idon't think we need to, so I'm
I choose not to.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Yeah, I just wrote a whole.
I did a source channeling onSunday about addiction.
So it's funny, that's thethings I talked about.
Was it's so interesting andlike all of that and how dark
force related it is to, you know, hollywood glamorizing alcohol
and drugs and all of this kindof stuff, is it just keeps us
limited and it keeps us yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
But isn't that with everything Like?
That's the thing, Like I postedrecently with the body
positivity movement and when youstart realizing they twist body
positivity in a way that you'resupposed to feel positive about
your body but they're actuallykeeping you down and small and
compliant with being unhappy inyour body by by like how do you
(55:21):
say like?
By putting like a mask over it,saying like this is so that you
can feel great in all shapesand sizes, and in fact they're
just pushing like unhealthybodies and like keeping you
small.
It's really insane.
When you start seeing how muchthis is being done in all areas,
Like look at Ozempic, that's anew thing as well that's like
(55:45):
it's crazy.
But what it does to your body islike insane.
It's like a no, no, I was likeanything that does that that
quickly is not good for you,Like it just can't be.
And the thing is, again it'staking you away from the power
that you have, because you havethat power, but we want to be
(56:05):
disconnected from our bodies andwe want to be getting the
results as quick as possible,and so that, for that again like
disconnects you even more fromwhat your body's trying to
communicate to you.
And so what's going to happen?
It's going to show up in otherareas of your life and you're
just going to, you're just goingto have a worse time, so, but
(56:26):
people don't realize that that'sthe thing they're so easy to be
like.
Oh, this is it, this is justwho I am.
And it's, it's, it's crazybecause it's not.
You know, you can do so muchmore like and, and.
When people start realizingthat, that's like the coolest
thing, when they start realizing, oh, I don't, this is not how
(56:47):
I'm supposed to be.
So yeah, it's, it's really,it's really crazy.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
Well, this was so.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
I know.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
I'm like I could chat about this all day.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
I know I was like there's another rabbit hole I
could go down just over here.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Well, thank you so much for coming on.
Yeah, no problem.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
I hope you enjoyed it .
Speaker 1 (57:11):
Yeah, no I love it.
I love our chats.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
Thank you for listening to Unveiled.
I always love hearing yourtakeaways, so please connect
with me on Instagram that Angela, marie, christian and feel free
to tag me when you share itwith your friends.
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If you leave a review, let meknow and I'll send you a little
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(57:44):
notes.
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