March 1, 2025 • 45 mins
Our latest episode dives into the ins and outs of Hallie Dye's new book, "You're Still a Good Mom: Motherhood Surrendered to the One Who Never Fails (Even When You Feel You Have)". Her book addresses what it means to be a good mom on God's terms.
This conversation emphasizes the worth of a mother. In order to do so, Hallie takes us all the way back to Genesis, where everything good was created.
This conversation also highlights some of the behind the scenes of how Hallie became and author and how she stated her Podcast show, The Salt Works.
Please listen along and find yourself being encouraged!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Motherhood and mom life is so difficult it's more
chaotic than I actuallyanticipated and there's such a
much needed antidoteencouragement out there for us
moms.
The mom guilt is real.
Out there for us moms, the momguilt is real.
(00:28):
So, luckily, today I'll beinterviewing a special person
that has such a book that cangive a lot of encouragement to
us moms out there who are tryingto navigate and need that
encouragement of.
Are we doing this right?
I think I am.
So in this episode I'll betalking with Hallie Dye.
Hey, thanks so much for havingme.
I'll be talking with Hallie Dye.
Hey, thanks so much for havingme.
She is an author, a speaker, andshe also hosts her own podcast
(00:54):
called Saltworks Podcast, andshe's also a wife and a mom of
three and just all kinds oftalents, and so today we're
going to talk about her bookcalled You're Still a Good Mom.
Surrender to the One who NeverFails, even when you Feel you
have, and we're also talking alittle bit about her podcast and
how it started.
So that's kind of today's showtoday, and listen y'all to the
name of her book You're Still aGood Mom.
(01:16):
Surrender to the One who NeverFails, even when you Feel you
have?
I mean that right there.
I need that.
Just listening to the title islike I need that.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Me too.
That's why I wrote it, cause Ineeded it.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh man.
So but thank you for coming outhere.
I know we're.
We kind of live on oppositesides of the town.
You know you're way over thereand like the North side and I'm
over here, the Southwest side,it was worth the drive, thank
you so much for having me.
We've been trying to do it fora long time, yeah, I know like
this is like taking yes, but Ifeel like this is really better
(01:52):
timing best you know like it'scloser to your book release.
It's coming out.
So, yeah, yeah, so excited forthat.
And I'm also just excited tohave a fellow podcaster I don't
know that many and and for alocal person, I was like
something understands, I know.
Yes, for real.
Yeah, that was really cool.
I get it.
Yeah, all right, so just tellus about it.
(02:13):
I mean, the title itself islike wow, like I said, I need
that.
You know, tell us more aboutwhat it's about.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So the book I'd started it like, I think, the
beginning of 2020.
I've always written, I'vealways liked to write.
I have had many poorly keptblogs, you know, poorly worded
and poorly kept.
But I'm an external processor.
I like to talk things out,write things out, kind of figure
out.
Why am I feeling this way?
(02:40):
What's true, you know?
And so writing helps me do that.
And at the beginning of 2020,before we knew what 2020 was, I
really was like I just I kind offelt like I wanted to get
serious about writing.
I didn't even know what thatmeant.
I'm not sure I would haveworded it that way at the time,
but just like.
No, I'm going to.
I'm going to like, have betterjournaling habits and, you know,
(03:04):
really do this thing.
I know I love stay at home, mom.
We had, let's see, our kidswould have been four, three and
one at the time.
Yes, very busy.
Then the world closed down.
So I'm already depleted, I'malready swamped, outnumbered.
Lots of wonderful things, butalso lots of heart lots of busy.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, three and a one-year-old together, it's.
I could just cut it.
Yeah process that me either andit used to not mean as much to
me.
But now that I have afour-year-old, like now, I
cannot try to imagine anotherone out in that same season with
that one.
It's like, how do people dothis all the time?
Yeah, it's well the Lord, yes,and no sleep and caffeine.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Exactly.
Yes, that's exactly where wewere, and you know, staying home
full time, and then you throwin like our sheltered at home.
Now we can't go to the park,that's right.
Can't go to a friend's house,you know we didn't know anything
then, and I just remember thisfeeling of like, just depletion,
like just this feeling of likeI don't even know if rest could
(04:12):
refresh my soul.
You know, like you feel thatsometimes in motherhood.
Maybe that's true, becausesometimes we need more than just
rest.
We need more than just coffee,more than just a nap.
Sometimes those things are theholiest things you can do.
But you know, you know you needthis deeper thing.
And I sat down one night andjust literally, in the notes of
(04:42):
my phone, typed something outand thought this is so funny
that I that I have this thoughtbecause little old Hallie in
2020 had no idea.
But I thought, you know, thiscould be the beginning of a book
and it was.
It's the beginning of a bookand it was.
It's the intro to my book.
Oh wow, that's been edited alot.
Oh yeah, many times over.
But it was, and I had no ideawhat it was.
But I think the feeling that Ireally had was you know, I don't
know what I'm doing.
I don't know if I'm doing.
I don't know if I'm doing this.
(05:03):
Well, what is a good mom?
Can we even define that?
And you know, we, we want tohear that from our spouse.
We want to hear that from ourfriends, from our parents, our
in-laws, our kids.
But I think I recognizesomewhere along the way of
writing this book is I reallyneed to hear this from the
author of goodness himself?
Yeah, and I wanted to know thatanswer for me.
(05:27):
That's what kept me writing it,and so that's the premise of
the book is addressing.
Can we define that?
What does that look likeBiblically?
Yeah, can we actually be freeof this mom guilt and walk in
this Like what does God sayExactly?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
A good mom is yeah.
Some good thoughts there yeah.
So we definitely know it's formoms.
But you know, do you have aspecific type of mom in mind,
Like a?
Phase of life or anything.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
You know I would say this book, I pray, is beneficial
for any mom who wonders am I agood mom?
Yeah, obviously.
The book is written more to theyounger mom scenario, because
that's where you're from that,that is, the examples.
(06:15):
But because it is not a how tobecome and not a checklist of
things to do, it reallyaddresses the worth of a mother
biblically, and so I've hadreaders who you know in the
process of editing whose kidsare grown and gone.
I didn't know I needed to hearthis, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
And I did.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And so I don't want I , I want to walk in wisdom of
there's not a whole lot I canteach a grandmother, you know.
Yeah, but at the same time,because of it, it is a biblical
truth based on the worth of awoman in motherhood.
I do believe, if anyone hasasked that question, that it has
something for them.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, that's really cool.
That's really cool that thisbook can be like timeless.
Really special, I hope and pray.
So yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
You were just saying a minuteago, like where you were when
you were like thinking of thisbook, yeah, but was there
anything extra that did inspireyou to say, okay, like for my
idea of?
Like you were, you know, in themiddle of the night, to like
(07:17):
now, this is actually a book,book like when did that part
happen?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
a lot of times it happened in 20 minute increments
.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You know, I get that because, like as an author as
well like you just kind of startdoubting yourself and you're
like, oh, this is good enoughfor that, is it not?
So you kind of like, yes, notquite put it in the wastebasket,
but you put it to the side,yeah, or you go.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I'll remember this, yeah, don't.
So you're like learn to writethings down right when you think
of it yeah.
So a lot of times it would belike let me run in here and
write this thought down you know, later I'd go back and go.
Oh, that was dumb, you know, I'mlike no, okay, I need to flesh
this out.
There were at least one, maybetwo different summers Cause I've
been working on it for fiveyears off and on putting it on
(08:04):
the back burner.
We had different things happenin life.
Just kind of I would have ababysitter come and she would
stay for about two hours and Iwould go to the coffee shop and
I would write furiously and I'dcome home and, honestly, brandy,
like that shaped, I think, mywriting habits.
Because the truth is like, ifyou feel called to write, you
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need to write.
When you feel like you havesomething to say, you need to
write when you don't.
Because if you wait untilyou've got childcare and you've
got, you think you have an idea,you know.
And also, if we believe thework we do in his name is spirit
led, then he's going to leadyou.
Whether you're feeling creativeor not, yeah, whether you're
(08:45):
feeling exhausted.
You didn't sleep, you know, butI couldn't do like the
babysitter's coming.
It didn't matter if I didn'tsleep last night, I have to go
do it.
And on the way there I wouldjust pray like, okay, lead me.
And then on the way back I'dpray like if this is not what
(09:07):
you want me to share.
If this is not not it, thenjust nix that chapter, nix this,
and I honestly quit the bookway more times than I worked on
it.
I can't do that anymore.
It is yeah, yeah, but yeah,audibly I would say I'm done,
I'm done.
But the thing that kept megoing back was, you know, his
prompting and and me needing toknow these things and his
kindness to me and grace and allof that.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, how did you get connected with your life?
Is Moody your publisher?
Yeah, how did that happen?
It's a weird, crazy story.
I mean, guys, it is hard to getinto that world.
So how did this happen for you?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, so little backstory for people who aren't
familiar with publishing,because you're so right, that's
not how it works and I want tobe so upfront that I should not
have a book deal Like that is100% been a miracle in my life
and it's given me so much peaceBecause one of the things that I
prayed over and over and overin the writing is if this is not
going to glorify you and it'snot going to be what moms need
(10:03):
to hear, then don't let it goout.
Yeah, I pray that all the timeand so now that it is, I'm like
okay, I'm resting in you, cause,of course, you're going to have
doubts and fears as you go, andso that's been my like.
Okay, you meant for this to behere.
So, for those who aren'tfamiliar with publishing, it is
a safer bet for a publishingcompany for you to have some
(10:25):
type of I don't want to sayfollowing, because it doesn't
have to be social media.
Yeah, but you have people whoare interested in your reading
somewhere, or writing as aperson or something.
Yes, your voice and somecapacity.
So for a lot of people, thatcan be social media, it can be a
newsletter, it could be, youknow, a podcast.
It could be different things.
I do think the podcast helpedbecause I don't really have a
(10:49):
platform.
So a lot of people talk aboutbuilding a platform and that
sort of thing and you'refamiliar with all that.
But for those not familiar withpublishing that's, you know,
you don't know how it worksuntil you need to.
So I was set on self-publishing.
I've done lots of writingclasses and courses and groups
just to hone that skill, makesome connections, ask questions,
(11:10):
push through a lot of impostersyndrome.
Yes, I'm familiar with that too,yes, yes, and so I know, yes,
I've battled that in every areaof my life, and so writing was
no different, and and all thosethings were so helpful.
But everything you do is goingto tell you need to build a
(11:30):
platform in order to publish abook.
It is a little backwards.
It's a little backwards thepublishing world, but at the
same time, publishers want toknow they can make their money
back yeah, because you're theirinvestment and so it's them
being, it's them being safe,absolutely, and we've taken all
the risk yes, and they know whoyou are, they know your theology
, they know you know there's alot that they're betting on and
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how serious you are about it.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Like you know, is this something you're trying to
make a quick buck on or is thisreally something true to you.
If you're putting in the workright to build that up, I mean I
get it, but it is it's hardit's hard.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
It's hard and and the system's not perfect and so, um
, but I had pretty much I hadfinished the manuscript at this
point but put it on the backburner for other things going on
in our lives good things butjust yeah, things are on the
forefront, just of it had beenso long since I'd picked it up
that I was kind of like, do youeven like it?
(12:28):
Was this?
Was this something you calledme to do because you needed to
refine me, or is this somethingyou actually want me to keep
going forward in Cause I'm notgoing to publish this book?
Just cause I've said publiclyI'm writing a book, like it's
not about me.
Yeah, if I need to failpublicly or look foolish, I'm
used to that by now you knowlike, yeah, that's okay.
So I was kind of praying thosesort of prayers.
(12:48):
I had been working full time, Iwasn't.
My kids were all three goinginto school that year for the
first time.
So just kind of found myself ina new season.
I had the podcast, I think.
Let's see, I think we had doneseason one and we're about to
begin season two at this point,yeah, and so it had been a while
(13:09):
since I had worked full timeactually.
So the First Abide Conferencefor anyone who's not familiar,
it's a conference that DivineMinistry of Pregnancy Mentoring
Ministry here in town puts on,and it was the very first Abide
Conference.
And so they're learning whatthey're doing.
I'm a good friends with one ofthe founders and so I was, you
(13:30):
know, wanting to help inwhatever capacity.
And it gets closer to time andshe says would you host the
speaker, which she hadarrangements in a hotel?
It was just, will you pick herup from the airport and make
sure she eats, make sure sheknows what song we need to come
out for?
You know, like when she speaks,and I said, yes, I would love
to.
And I really felt like,whatever you need me to do, you
(13:52):
know direct traffic, you know,which would have been a ministry
because it was August, um, uh,yeah, and so here in Louisiana,
well, so I was like, yes, I willdo that, that.
And I had COVID the week before, so I had major COVID brain.
I was like, am I even going tobe able to have small
conversation?
You know, make small talk.
So I pick her up from theairport.
(14:14):
Her name's Trillia Newbell.
A lot of people might know herbook, 52 Weeks in the Word.
But she has lots of great booksand just launched another.
Pick her up.
She's the sweetest, kindestsoul, just really enjoyed her
and I'm getting to know her.
She's asking questions and I'mhonestly.
She asks a couple of questionslike well, bethany, my friend at
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the Vine, was like you know,she mentioned that you teach,
you know your life group and I'mlike, yeah, you know we do, and
so I kind of talked about thatand then switch the subject and
she said well she tells me you,you know, you wrote a book.
And I'm like, yeah, you knowsuch you know, and I try not to
really expound, because whowants to be picked up from the
airport?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
And then you know, you tell them.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Right, yes, and so I'm, like you know, asking
questions about her.
She's got two kids and they'reolder.
Well, the next morning we go tobreakfast, so we have time to
just sit and visit before theevent.
And she's asking more and morequestions about the book, like,
well, give me an example of that, what's the chapter?
That kind of thing.
And so I'm explaining and weend up both tearing up yeah, I
(15:23):
don't like public crying for meat all, which the Lord is slowly
breaking down, but we ended upboth tearing up, as I'm telling
this one chapter that ended upbeing chapter three in the book.
She said well, I'm actually theacquisitions director for Moody
.
Publishers?
Yeah, and I know that.
And so she said would you wantto?
You know, maybe Zoom she wasflying out that day Would you
(15:52):
want to zoom and meet about it?
And I'm like okay, and Ihonestly thought I was playing
it cool.
But when we got inside she saidare you, are you doing okay?
And I was like yeah, like I'mgreat, you know, and I'm
thinking my COVID brain, youknow.
I was like yeah, you know, andI'm honestly kind of trying to
be quiet because she's got tospeak and I know I get really
nervous and I don't know if sheneeded to look over her notes a
little bit.
She said are you sure you'redoing okay, like you're counting
(16:13):
?
It's just like your spiritseems down.
And I was like, oh, and Ihonestly wasn't processing this
in the moment.
But I said well, I think I justdon't want you to think like
I've driven you around so thatyou'll look at my book, like I
mean, I didn't know what she did, yeah.
Yeah, she goes oh, you know, laythat down, that's this is what
I do, this is this is my job.
(16:34):
Like I'll I find joy in thisand, like you know, I can't
promise anything that's going tohappen, but I think it's worth
meeting about.
So we did, and she encouragedme to go through the book
proposal process with them, andyou know there were a couple
different steps, but yeah, whichthat's a process too.
Yeah, it was.
It was weeks of waiting and butyeah, I mean very wild story
(16:58):
yeah, that is really cool.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I feel like that's even just a word about putting
your yes on the table, beingwilling to serve it something
else, and how?
Yeah, that was put together.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Even with COVID brain , the Lord can work miracles,
yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Or how to just always purpose behind any little thing
that you do, like yeah, you'rehelping out for that event, but
then you know we're always therefor a reason.
That's really cool, it was.
Oh man.
So you mentioned chapter threea little bit out of all the
chapters.
Was that the hard one to write,or was there any other hard
ones or special?
Ones that I won't tell thechapter three story because it's
(17:35):
so good, you just gotta read ityou gotta read it it's.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
It's a really, really sweet one.
I think it'll be, I think it'llbe something people really
enjoy and connect with.
But I would say the hardestones for me to write were
chapters five and six.
I added them later in the game,like I actually had to get my
proposal re-approved, whichwasn't a huge deal, but I just
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felt like I felt like there wasa hole, there was something I
needed to say and I honestlycouldn't even like couldn't say
with clarity what that was.
So chapter five is talking abouthow we have lack and limitation
and that we're supposed to.
That's designed so.
It really attacks mom guilt,which we can go into if you want
(18:19):
.
But chapter six is goes intowhen we do fail, when we
actually have failure, and hissovereignty even in that.
But but I, for the love of me,could not stop mixing the two
chapters because that's what wedo.
We think that our limitation isfailure and I knew it.
But I'm telling you that's howdeep that is ingrained in us it
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is.
We want to make our limitationsand our lack outside of the
lord failure.
It's's not.
It was designed to depend onhim.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
So that one was really hard.
I don't want to ask you moreabout that, so tell us more
about the chapter about thelimitations.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Well okay.
So so I'll give the chapteropener, basically, which is you
know, I don't know, brandy likewhat you need as a person.
I know I need, obviously, xamount of meals, snacks, enough
water.
I need my coffee, you know.
I need time with friends, Ineed time alone to recharge.
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I need, every once in a while,some time to create and dream,
you know, and I like to take awalk every once in a while,
cause that gets me out of my,you know, out of my head and
connect me with the Lord.
And so I have all these thingsthat I need, and I've always had
those.
I had those before I had kids,and all of those needs are good,
right, I mean, we haven't saidanything that's bad, All those
things were acceptable, they'regood.
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And then all of those needs aregood, right, I mean, we haven't
said anything that's bad, allthose things were acceptable,
they're good.
And then, all of a sudden,something happened and between
my water breaking and me cominghome with a newborn, all those
things were bad, because now,when I need those things, I have
to take away from my child, andso there's this feeling of
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failure and simply needing to bea person and being selfish, all
of a sudden, absolutely, andnot that all of those things I
mean many of those things hadhappened daily.
Some didn't happen every week,even always.
Get to create, you know, ordream, but but all of a sudden,
having those things that Ineeded and the things I wasn't
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good at, the things that I waslacking, that was okay.
Well, now my lack is my kidslack.
Now, my limitations are thingsthey can't have through me, and
I think there's an obvious truthof we're not their savior.
Yeah, but also, you know, it'sreally hard to define goodness.
And what does God define as good?
Well, it's interesting becausewhen you go back to the Garden
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of Eden, he calls it very good.
Once he created male and female, everything was good.
Then it was not good for man tobe alone.
And then they're very good,right, yeah, well, good for me
to be alone.
And then they're very good,right, yeah, well, they were
very good and they were notclothed, they had no clothes,
they had lack.
And the interesting thing is in, I guess, chapter three, in the
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fall, they hide.
They hear the sound of Godwalking in the garden.
Which, how crazy is that?
Always like that, that wordingyeah, he could walk in the
garden with them.
They hear the sound.
He calls where are you?
And Adam says well, we heardthe sound of you walking in the
garden and we hid because we'renaked.
Yeah, Well, they feel shamebecause they ate of the tree of
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the knowledge of good and evil.
Well, it wasn't that they allof a sudden were naked.
It's now that they haveknowledge of their lack, but in
their previous state he hadcalled it very good, yeah.
And so he clothes them.
He gives them theirconsequences, he clothes them.
But the idea there and what'sinteresting is, if you go back
and read that passage, God'sfirst response before getting to
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the consequences, who told you?
Who told you that Exactly?
And so I'm not saying we shouldall not be wearing our clothes.
Okay, that's not what I'msaying here.
But what I'm saying is in aworld where they didn't have
need of a savior yet, becausethere wasn't sin.
they always had needed of a God,and when they reached outside
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of his presence to get with, sheand and Adam both thought they
needed.
That is when sin entered theworld, and so they had life.
They had limitation, but it'swhere they went with it.
And so this idea of goodnessisn't that you get this
checklist right.
I mean, if I teach you how toabide and I say, Brandy, here's
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the checklist, have I reallytaught you the essence of
remaining in him?
Or have I taught youself-sufficiency?
And so the idea of a good momis faithfulness Like you can't
hold the outcome, but you canseek him and everything, you can
depend on him and everythingthat's a really good.
Is that something I can justskip?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
to read that one, absolutely, you can read it
however you want to.
You have permission.
That's chapter seven, that's,that's, that's five okay,
chapter seven's rest.
That was hard too, okay that'shilarious, okay, but seven's on
rest, which is kind ofinteresting.
Is that on purpose or is itjust it was on purpose.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But the lord I love that.
You saw that.
But the lord really kind oforchestrated that because I
moved a lot of chapters around.
But that was one of the thingsI was like, probably nobody will
notice this, but it makes mehappy, yeah I'm a little bit of
a Bible nerd, so I guess we'llclue everybody else yeah, yes
(23:56):
I'll let you do that so well, onthe seventh day of creation.
So we just talked about thegarden he rested, and also, you
know seven's the number ofperfection and you know the
fullness.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, that's right so , yeah, awesome, awesome.
So is a lot of the book.
Are you drawing a lot of yourbiblical truth from genesis,
like from the garden scenario,or is it all over the place or a
lot of it is simply because,like, what do we all want to be
in motherhood?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
it would be perfect, right?
We want we had this level ofperfection, whether it's the way
something looks or the way we,the way we said we do things,
the things we said we'd never doyou know, before entering in
motherhood, or even just the waywe feel like there's a whole
chapter about compassion,because sometimes we just have
this low simmer of mom guiltbecause we don't feel the way we
(24:43):
thought we should aboutmotherhood all the time.
Yeah, where is that, you know?
Yeah, and so there's this wholecompassion of the Lord.
There's a little chapter aboutthat, but, yes, we go back to
the garden a lot, not everychapter.
There are other passages, somein the New Testament as well,
that we'll dive into fordifferent principles, but we do
go back there quite a bit,especially in the beginning,
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because we think if we couldhave perfect circumstances, we
could be the perfect mom Evenbefore the role of mom existed.
That was not the case for eve,yeah and so.
Yeah, and on the flip side ofthat, like we have been made
righteous with the blood ofchrist, like it's no longer me
who lives, it's christ who livesin me.
(25:24):
And yet I still want to add tothat in terms of worth.
Yeah, you know, and it's likeEve sort of had to depend on
doing everything.
Right, I actually don't.
Yeah, in some ways we have thislevel of perfection she
couldn't dream of.
Yeah, and we want to go back toperfect circumstances and
that's, that's evidence of some,some idols in our hearts you
(25:46):
know?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, would you think that has more to do with, like,
the American culture versussome other cultures, or do you
think that's just kind ofprobably everywhere?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I think it is probably everywhere to some
extent, probably in everyperson's mind.
If we could have this then we'dbe complete, and I think it has
to be, because I mean, look atthe American culture we do.
Everyone lives in wealth, nomatter what that compared to
(26:16):
other countries, yes, we live socomfortably, you know and.
I realize there are varyingdegrees and that's not the case
for every single person, for thevast majority, like, yeah, in
the times we think we'restruggling, we have way more
than other places and it hasn'tfilled the void, you know.
And so I do think that in everyheart there is something,
(26:39):
because there is this void thatonly God can fill.
But I mean absolutely.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
I think the fact that it feels attainable in the
American culture can make yeah,I think that's probably the
great Gby, that like constantillusion of like it's just right
there.
If I just one more thing, andit'd be yes, and that's what
keeps us on a farce you know.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
think about how privileged it is to have the
idol of self-sufficiency.
Yeah, If you, if you live in anagricultural area and you're,
you're completely dependent onyour crops or your herd or
whatever you.
You realize how out of controlyou are.
Like you're waiting on theweather.
Whether you're a believer ornot, yeah, you realize the
(27:20):
weather, the soil, the animals,the pests.
I mean, you know there's a lotof things outside of your
control.
But the american dream is well,if I could do more and be more
and earn more.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, I can fill enough, or even even in that
scenario, if I can just monitormore or just be the really great
caretaker and have no otherlife.
Yeah, oh, yeah.
You know like yeah, oh, man,absolutely well, this feels like
a really great book, thank youyeah, I'm really excited about
it yeah, I really am so.
(27:49):
When's it come out?
I know it's coming out soon.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I pre-ordered it already yes, yeah, it launches
March 4th, so it's yeah, rightaround the corner.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, are you having like a lunch party or like um,
gonna be a book?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
signing or anything.
I don't know if I'm gonna sign.
I've had people ask that I'mlike I don't think there will be
any line there for me but theremight be.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I mean, how you know, you're also a podcast host and
speaker, like it could be alittle bit.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
That's so funny.
I don't know if that's true.
I know I will sign if peoplewant me.
I feel like that would justlike bring the value of the book
down right now if I putanything.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Impostor said don't go away in jesus name be gone um
, it's with us forever.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, I don't know.
This is funny, though, actually, that you say that because we
are doing a launch party.
I don't really know what that'sgonna look like.
Totally, we have a meetingabout that this week, but
something with friends andfamily, I think of the church,
and I'm like having to mentallyprepare to celebrate, because
when I signed the book contracts, like all of my friends wanted
(28:53):
to celebrate and my impostersyndrome would not let me, and
I'm like how about you will pullit together and celebrate the
work of the Lord has donebecause there is a time for
everything under heaven.
But what's funny about booksigning is actually I think one
of the things this was Andrew'sidea that we're going to do is
have a copy of my book and leteveryone else sign it for me to
(29:14):
keep.
That is special.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
so, yeah, a little backwards, but that's what we're
gonna fight because you alwayshave to keep at least one yeah,
that's right yeah, because Ihave a few I have to call back
to make sure it's not in aninventory.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah it's like this is mine right.
Yeah, yeah, give them all away.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, so true, yeah, that's really.
That's a great idea.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Good job, andrew.
Oh, he's the best.
I feel like most of thechapters of the book are like me
, just like explaining thestruggle, and then Andrew's
wisdom, I can give him a cut,you know.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, that's awesome, that's awesome, oh man.
Yeah, that's awesome, that'sawesome, oh man, so is your
pre-order still, sale stillgoing on, it's still going on.
Yeah, do you have any record ofthat?
Can you see?
You know that on your side.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I don't know if I can see it or not, but I'm like
maybe that's the lord'sprotection yeah I will say this
like I'm shocked that it'shappening.
So I have no preconceivednotions about book sales, or
yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I'm just yeah Well, similar thing for myself, like
after well, it's complicated,but essentially no, I could not
see it wasn't accurate.
Yeah, hardly at all.
So, oh, so the numbers you wereseeing, I can't, actually,
couldn't really, or I can't not,couldn't, I cannot, like I can
(30:35):
see Amazon sales and that's it,and that's because I have a
different.
I have an author account throughthat so I can only see Amazon
sales, but it's everywhere wecan buy it.
So like I didn't get adifferent royalty check this
month, that only happens likequarterly Gotchacha, but I still
don't even know the numbersfrom that.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
like I don't know what that means right.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
So I'm like, I'm like in the middle, like email.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
This is way too.
I'm just curious and like andalso, you know, for marketing
purposes.
You're like you know whateverbut.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
But I told my kind of a similar thing like um, I
think this is a good thing, so Idon't, yeah, obsess about that,
that, and just move on and livein the message of the book.
And so I think, yeah, I'm withyou on that.
Yeah, that's so funny, yeah.
So I'm super excited and youguys go out there, get that book
(31:26):
.
And I know it's on Amazon, Imean, that's where I
pre-purchased mine.
Do you have other places thatare going to be available?
Um?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Barnes and Noble Books a Million.
Moody's website I don't know.
Last I checked Moody's website,which has been a while.
I don't know if it wasavailable for pre-order, but it
will be available but it will bethere just yeah, and they side
note Moody runs like really goodsales.
They do like a I think it's asemi-annual sale where I mean
it's like 40 or 50% off.
(31:54):
It's crazy, Wow yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Okay, looking there for some sales.
Yeah, be good for like babyshower type of gift, maybe
Mother's Day, so those would becoming up just around that.
Well, everyone has babiesanytime.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Mother's Day being May, it's maybe good.
Good for that too.
You know some yes moms arebeing new moms, yeah, so yeah,
well, I'm excited for you.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, I'm really excited.
Well, I wanted to ask you tooabout podcasting, for a minute
since I mean, I don't have thischance to talk about that and I
know here people don't reallyknow all the things, um, but for
you, like, how did you get intothat?
Like what was the was the ideafor that?
I know you have some.
You had some background workwith working with a different
(32:33):
podcast for a minute but how?
Did like salt works.
How did?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
that come.
Yeah, you know I had worked fora podcast before.
That's very successful andwell-known, but I was helping
with content and I was not atall ever like with in front of
the camera, or technical, oreven scheduling.
you know any of that and I canremember thinking like I don't
(32:57):
think I could do that you know,like it was just so I would get
nervous and I'm not, I wasn'trecording, you know like just I
would just get nervous onrecording days and so never saw
that happening for me.
But when I went back to be homeagain we had kind of a health
crisis with my youngest and thatkind of just reset like I need
(33:19):
to be back home.
That's the only way I know howto really describe and he's well
, he's good, but it was a wholedeal.
It's a long story that kind ofjust reoriented my priorities,
um and so that's kind of howthat came about, but in the
season where the vine wasstarting.
So that's that same ministrythat I mentioned earlier.
(33:40):
That put on the conference.
They're just beginning, so theconference is not in sight at
this point.
My friend invited me to a prayermeeting.
They were opening, their doorshad officially opened, but it
kind of happened so quickly thatthey were like you know, our
doors are open, our website'slive, so we have to be there,
but we still want people to comeand pray for this meeting
(34:01):
because nobody really knows whatwe do, you know.
So we go they're in our lifegroup at the time and we go and
she gives us the whole story,which is just, I mean, miracle
after miracle, of the Lordopening doors, and the timing of
everything is crazy.
That's actually the firstepisode of the Saltworks.
For anybody that wants to hearit, it's wonderful.
But I just can remember thinkinglike, because I had kept blogs
(34:25):
before, like I wish I could gettheir story out and I didn't
really have anything at thatpoint that would be feasible for
me to use.
And I just remember thinkinglike man, if I had a podcast,
like I would love to interviewher so they can hear her say
what it is, because she justtold it so well and it was just
so real and genuine, you know,and then they could know what to
(34:46):
bring and what to provide andknow where to send funds or
whatever, because they had a lotof needs starting out.
And I'm praying and you know,we're we're prayer walking.
We're praying in the bathroom,so that's where women will take
pregnancy tests and you know,just whatever.
And I just remember thinkinglike this is crazy.
(35:06):
But I went up to Bethany andsaid okay, this is a little
insane, but if I can pull apodcast together, would you be
my first guest?
And she said okay, and I waslike I'll take it, yeah, so I
started pulling together Like Idon't even know what the first
(35:26):
steps of starting a podcast are.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I literally Googled.
I was Googling and there's likea wiki how on it actually which
is very helpful that way, Iprobably did the same thing, I
don't remember.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I just blacked out in that part, no, but it was like,
okay, what do I need next?
And when you know and kind of Ineeded to pull in other people
Can you help me with the coverart?
Can you help me with the coverart?
Can you help me with the music,can you?
And because I did that, thatkind of kept me accountable for
like, okay, I've told this manypeople, I'm doing this, I can't
just quit because it's scary orI don't know how to do the next
(35:59):
thing.
And so I just kept going.
I mean, my feeling was okay, Iwas working in a full-time
ministry.
Now I'm not, and I know whereI'm, I'm where I'm supposed to
be.
But now my kids are in schooland here's this need and I have
this time.
If I can figure out how to plugtwo microphones into my
computer, why wouldn't I bedoing this?
(36:20):
That was kind of my feeling atthe time, and lots of imposter
syndrome, lots of.
At that point I had noexpectations for anyone to
listen at all, because I'd keptmany blogs where people didn't
read, you know.
And so you know it was justlike if one person needs to hear
it.
But it's just been how to eatan elephant, one at a time.
(36:43):
You know, and you figure it out.
We're still figuring things out.
We're in a studio now we've gotthings like lighting and
cameras and we just kind of hopeand pray that they work.
I don't know that we can set itback up again.
And now Lindsay Stagg, who youknow, know what we would do
without Colin.
Yeah, just have a really messyfinished product, I guess.
(37:12):
But yeah, honestly, if itweren't for Lindsay and Colin,
I'm not sure we could have hadseason three because of
everything with the book.
I mean, they really havecarried the podcast.
Yeah, I'm so grateful for them.
Yeah.
That's great, well, and I'm gladthey've been able to jump into
it because it is a good podcastand I didn't even say the name
(37:32):
of Saltworks, but when we werestarting it and the idea was
interview people like like thevine, where nobody knows.
This is the need.
Nobody knows the story and I'mlike there's so many untold
stories.
People who might not write abook, might never stand on this
stage, but they have stories totell, and so that was kind of
the idea and my mom suggestedthe name Saltworks, and
(37:55):
Saltworks is a term meaning aplace where salt is literally
refined.
We're called to be the salt ofthe earth.
That's what we're undergoing,this refinement and
sanctification as we walk onthis side of heaven with him,
and so there's that.
But saltworks can also be aslang term used for jobs, of
meaning like drudgery and like.
(38:15):
That's what it looks like a lotof days.
So it's meant to be thisencouragement.
As you hear other people'sstories oh my goodness, I didn't
know that was happening.
You know, in their life or inin right here in this town this
ministry is starting, orwhatever that looks like for
that week.
In the person's story, itencourages you to run the race
set before you and your cornerof the saw works.
(38:37):
Yeah, so it's been really neat.
It's absolutely not what Iexpected and it's way better
than I could have asked orimagined.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
So, yeah, isn't it great, like I love doing it,
yeah, and we always get a bitmore of the story than what's
actually gets produced out but Ihave no idea what all I've said
.
No, no, but there's usuallyalways a little bit extra little
side conversations here andthere before and after it and
you know you carry them in yourheart.
(39:05):
I like finding people andencouraging them to share
because in their arms, whateverit takes, because I like people,
people and encouraging them toshare, twisting their arms
whatever it takes, because Ilike people to understand that
they all have a story.
We all have experienced God,whether we know it or not, and
we all have one.
They're all worth sharing.
I mean, sharing in ourtestimonies are so powerful.
(39:25):
You know, for some people thatis their Jesus.
That they see, yeah, or hear,that's the gospel they're
hearing is your life, yourexperience, and so, whether it's
a salt work or somewhere in themuck, you know like and that's
the genuineness part of it,hearing that from other people
like man, that is thatencouragement they need.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
So yeah, Well, and, and there will be people that
listen to your podcast that willnever listen to mine you know,
and so it's just like you know,I've had to remind myself as you
go for anyone out there that'slike I don't know if I can do
that, or I don't know if Ishould write or start a podcast.
I can remember reading amotherhood book I think it was a
waking wonder by Sally Clarkson, what was one of hers.
(40:07):
She's great, she's just thissweet soul that it just she
dreams well, she's an encourager, she's just kind and gentle and
I just like her.
She's got a podcast, written alot of books and there was this
one chapter and I think it waswaking wonder and she just
basically gave you permission tolike need some time for
yourself.
(40:27):
That is not like agroundbreaking truth, yeah, but
I needed to hear it from hervoice.
Yeah, and I've carried thatwith me of like I mean, she
worded it so well and it wastruth and it was good, but I
could have heard that fromsomeone else and it might not
have carried as much weight, butlike Sally Clarkson gave me
permission.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
She said that that's right, yes gave me permission.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
She said that yes, and so you know, sometimes your
voice brings credits into thingsthat someone else might not.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yeah yeah, annie F Downs like certain things from
hers, is like for me.
I'm like oh yeah, well, anniesaid it.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
That's right.
Annie says, so we can.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah, yeah.
Oh man, I was going to ask alittle bit more about your show.
Do you want to share a littlebit more about like how often?
Speaker 2 (41:12):
I mean y'all it's pretty weekly, you're pretty
regular now yeah so I think whenwe talked last year, I'll say
this when I started the podcast,I was a one woman show, like I
was recording, editing,scheduling, all you you know,
you get it.
A lot of things, a lot of things, also still a mom of three, and
(41:34):
so I had to say, okay, our goalis weekly, every Tuesday, but
if I have sick kids like thethree, kid life we're going to
somebody's going to have feverfor two weeks, yeah, and so if
that's the case and I don't havea show stockpiled, then we're
just not gonna have a show likewe're not out here to look
perfect or have thisprofessional, this curated
(41:55):
product like this is real life,and if I can't record, then we
don't have an episode.
So we did season one for sure,like that season two a little
bit more as well.
Lindsey helped so much becauseshe does all of our logistics
and, yeah, I'm not good at andso she keeps a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Like that's half of it.
So much of it and figuring outwhat we can both get together
Right, yeah, and just answeringa text back.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
That's not my spiritual gift, and so she
carried that.
But even in season two we wouldsometimes and she's a mom too,
so you know we would sometimes,and she's a mom too, so you know
we had things going on.
We would still not have anepisode, but we've done ads this
year, so we haven't been ableto take a break.
But the Lord's provided yeah,he's provided, he's stretched us
(42:42):
in ways, because we used toonly do so.
I would do like probably threestories and then a standalone
where we got into someone'sstory in the Bible, which I love
and we still do occasionally.
But we had kind of a drought atthe beginning of season three
and like I don't know why, butwe could not get people into the
studio.
I mean, we were opened up likewhatever time, whatever, we'll
meet you up here.
It was all legitimate reasons,this person had that and this
(43:05):
person, but it just wasn'thappening.
And so when you hit momentslike that in ministry, you feel
like, is this still what?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
you want us to do you know like?
Speaker 2 (43:14):
are we trying to do this in our own strength, is
this?
But he really obviously built alot of refinement and faith in
those moments, a lot of learningand leaning on him to be the
provider that we can do all theright things.
But he brings the stories likeit's not us, and so that was a
reminder, but it also stretchedour capacity to go.
(43:34):
You know what me?
And you can have conversations,you know, and so we've done
that a lot more on season threeand we've enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah, great, I'll turn one on forgiveness.
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Oh, that was Lindsay's idea and I was like
okay.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, yeah.
So so you know it's convicting.
I've done something similar,but I like y'all's take on it,
it was good.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Oh yeah, y'all should listen to Lindsay Nally thank
you, do as we say, not as we doyeah, well, thank you for
talking about both of yourthings your book and your
podcast and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Do you have any merchandise, since you have a
website?
Speaker 2 (44:13):
and whatnot.
So, okay, technically, rightnow we don't have our website up
, so we're moving towards that.
We worked on one for a whileand then kind of put it on the
back burner.
All in good time, we hadsweatshirts for a while and then
we closed them, but we havetalked about having more merch
soon, so I'm excited.
On the lookout, on the lookout.
(44:34):
Yes, that's something I wouldlove to do.
I love some good merch.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Yeah, who doesn't?
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah, so stay tuned for that.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Well, thank you so much for coming out all the way
out here.
No, it wasn't bad at all, andit's been great to hear from a
local author, a local person,yes, and I wish you all the best
with your book and everythingelse, so you had to get it.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
You got to go get it.
Thank you so much.
I appreciate it.
Thank you for having me.
My name is Hallie Dye and thisis my story of the middle and
I'm your host, Brainy Bostic.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
You've been listening for the Up for the Mutt podcast
.
If you're interested inmerchandise or other uplifting
stories, check me out atupforthemuttcom.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Psalm 42,.
He brought me up from adesolate pit, out of the muddy
clay, and set my feet on therock, making my steps secure.
Thank you.
Motherhood and mom life is so difficult it's more
chaotic than I actuallyanticipated and there's such a
much needed antidoteencouragement out there for us
moms.
The mom guilt is real.
Out there for us moms, the momguilt is real.
(00:28):
So, luckily, today I'll beinterviewing a special person
that has such a book that cangive a lot of encouragement to
us moms out there who are tryingto navigate and need that
encouragement of.
Are we doing this right?
I think I am.
So in this episode I'll betalking with Hallie Dye.
Hey, thanks so much for havingme.
I'll be talking with Hallie Dye.
Hey, thanks so much for havingme.
She is an author, a speaker, andshe also hosts her own podcast
(00:54):
called Saltworks Podcast, andshe's also a wife and a mom of
three and just all kinds oftalents, and so today we're
going to talk about her bookcalled You're Still a Good Mom.
Surrender to the One who NeverFails, even when you Feel you
have, and we're also talking alittle bit about her podcast and
how it started.
So that's kind of today's showtoday, and listen y'all to the
name of her book You're Still aGood Mom.
(01:16):
Surrender to the One who NeverFails, even when you Feel you
have?
I mean that right there.
I need that.
Just listening to the title islike I need that.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Me too.
That's why I wrote it, cause Ineeded it.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh man.
So but thank you for coming outhere.
I know we're.
We kind of live on oppositesides of the town.
You know you're way over thereand like the North side and I'm
over here, the Southwest side,it was worth the drive, thank
you so much for having me.
We've been trying to do it fora long time, yeah, I know like
this is like taking yes, but Ifeel like this is really better
(01:52):
timing best you know like it'scloser to your book release.
It's coming out.
So, yeah, yeah, so excited forthat.
And I'm also just excited tohave a fellow podcaster I don't
know that many and and for alocal person, I was like
something understands, I know.
Yes, for real.
Yeah, that was really cool.
I get it.
Yeah, all right, so just tellus about it.
(02:13):
I mean, the title itself islike wow, like I said, I need
that.
You know, tell us more aboutwhat it's about.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So the book I'd started it like, I think, the
beginning of 2020.
I've always written, I'vealways liked to write.
I have had many poorly keptblogs, you know, poorly worded
and poorly kept.
But I'm an external processor.
I like to talk things out,write things out, kind of figure
out.
Why am I feeling this way?
(02:40):
What's true, you know?
And so writing helps me do that.
And at the beginning of 2020,before we knew what 2020 was, I
really was like I just I kind offelt like I wanted to get
serious about writing.
I didn't even know what thatmeant.
I'm not sure I would haveworded it that way at the time,
but just like.
No, I'm going to.
I'm going to like, have betterjournaling habits and, you know,
(03:04):
really do this thing.
I know I love stay at home, mom.
We had, let's see, our kidswould have been four, three and
one at the time.
Yes, very busy.
Then the world closed down.
So I'm already depleted, I'malready swamped, outnumbered.
Lots of wonderful things, butalso lots of heart lots of busy.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, three and a one-year-old together, it's.
I could just cut it.
Yeah process that me either andit used to not mean as much to
me.
But now that I have afour-year-old, like now, I
cannot try to imagine anotherone out in that same season with
that one.
It's like, how do people dothis all the time?
Yeah, it's well the Lord, yes,and no sleep and caffeine.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Exactly.
Yes, that's exactly where wewere, and you know, staying home
full time, and then you throwin like our sheltered at home.
Now we can't go to the park,that's right.
Can't go to a friend's house,you know we didn't know anything
then, and I just remember thisfeeling of like, just depletion,
like just this feeling of likeI don't even know if rest could
(04:12):
refresh my soul.
You know, like you feel thatsometimes in motherhood.
Maybe that's true, becausesometimes we need more than just
rest.
We need more than just coffee,more than just a nap.
Sometimes those things are theholiest things you can do.
But you know, you know you needthis deeper thing.
And I sat down one night andjust literally, in the notes of
(04:42):
my phone, typed something outand thought this is so funny
that I that I have this thoughtbecause little old Hallie in
2020 had no idea.
But I thought, you know, thiscould be the beginning of a book
and it was.
It's the beginning of a bookand it was.
It's the intro to my book.
Oh wow, that's been edited alot.
Oh yeah, many times over.
But it was, and I had no ideawhat it was.
But I think the feeling that Ireally had was you know, I don't
know what I'm doing.
I don't know if I'm doing.
I don't know if I'm doing this.
(05:03):
Well, what is a good mom?
Can we even define that?
And you know, we, we want tohear that from our spouse.
We want to hear that from ourfriends, from our parents, our
in-laws, our kids.
But I think I recognizesomewhere along the way of
writing this book is I reallyneed to hear this from the
author of goodness himself?
Yeah, and I wanted to know thatanswer for me.
(05:27):
That's what kept me writing it,and so that's the premise of
the book is addressing.
Can we define that?
What does that look likeBiblically?
Yeah, can we actually be freeof this mom guilt and walk in
this Like what does God sayExactly?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
A good mom is yeah.
Some good thoughts there yeah.
So we definitely know it's formoms.
But you know, do you have aspecific type of mom in mind,
Like a?
Phase of life or anything.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
You know I would say this book, I pray, is beneficial
for any mom who wonders am I agood mom?
Yeah, obviously.
The book is written more to theyounger mom scenario, because
that's where you're from that,that is, the examples.
(06:15):
But because it is not a how tobecome and not a checklist of
things to do, it reallyaddresses the worth of a mother
biblically, and so I've hadreaders who you know in the
process of editing whose kidsare grown and gone.
I didn't know I needed to hearthis, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
And I did.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And so I don't want I , I want to walk in wisdom of
there's not a whole lot I canteach a grandmother, you know.
Yeah, but at the same time,because of it, it is a biblical
truth based on the worth of awoman in motherhood.
I do believe, if anyone hasasked that question, that it has
something for them.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, that's really cool.
That's really cool that thisbook can be like timeless.
Really special, I hope and pray.
So yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
You were just saying a minuteago, like where you were when
you were like thinking of thisbook, yeah, but was there
anything extra that did inspireyou to say, okay, like for my
idea of?
Like you were, you know, in themiddle of the night, to like
(07:17):
now, this is actually a book,book like when did that part
happen?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
a lot of times it happened in 20 minute increments
.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You know, I get that because, like as an author as
well like you just kind of startdoubting yourself and you're
like, oh, this is good enoughfor that, is it not?
So you kind of like, yes, notquite put it in the wastebasket,
but you put it to the side,yeah, or you go.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I'll remember this, yeah, don't.
So you're like learn to writethings down right when you think
of it yeah.
So a lot of times it would belike let me run in here and
write this thought down you know, later I'd go back and go.
Oh, that was dumb, you know, I'mlike no, okay, I need to flesh
this out.
There were at least one, maybetwo different summers Cause I've
been working on it for fiveyears off and on putting it on
(08:04):
the back burner.
We had different things happenin life.
Just kind of I would have ababysitter come and she would
stay for about two hours and Iwould go to the coffee shop and
I would write furiously and I'dcome home and, honestly, brandy,
like that shaped, I think, mywriting habits.
Because the truth is like, ifyou feel called to write, you
(08:25):
need to write.
When you feel like you havesomething to say, you need to
write when you don't.
Because if you wait untilyou've got childcare and you've
got, you think you have an idea,you know.
And also, if we believe thework we do in his name is spirit
led, then he's going to leadyou.
Whether you're feeling creativeor not, yeah, whether you're
(08:45):
feeling exhausted.
You didn't sleep, you know, butI couldn't do like the
babysitter's coming.
It didn't matter if I didn'tsleep last night, I have to go
do it.
And on the way there I wouldjust pray like, okay, lead me.
And then on the way back I'dpray like if this is not what
(09:07):
you want me to share.
If this is not not it, thenjust nix that chapter, nix this,
and I honestly quit the bookway more times than I worked on
it.
I can't do that anymore.
It is yeah, yeah, but yeah,audibly I would say I'm done,
I'm done.
But the thing that kept megoing back was, you know, his
prompting and and me needing toknow these things and his
kindness to me and grace and allof that.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, how did you get connected with your life?
Is Moody your publisher?
Yeah, how did that happen?
It's a weird, crazy story.
I mean, guys, it is hard to getinto that world.
So how did this happen for you?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, so little backstory for people who aren't
familiar with publishing,because you're so right, that's
not how it works and I want tobe so upfront that I should not
have a book deal Like that is100% been a miracle in my life
and it's given me so much peaceBecause one of the things that I
prayed over and over and overin the writing is if this is not
going to glorify you and it'snot going to be what moms need
(10:03):
to hear, then don't let it goout.
Yeah, I pray that all the timeand so now that it is, I'm like
okay, I'm resting in you, cause,of course, you're going to have
doubts and fears as you go, andso that's been my like.
Okay, you meant for this to behere.
So, for those who aren'tfamiliar with publishing, it is
a safer bet for a publishingcompany for you to have some
(10:25):
type of I don't want to sayfollowing, because it doesn't
have to be social media.
Yeah, but you have people whoare interested in your reading
somewhere, or writing as aperson or something.
Yes, your voice and somecapacity.
So for a lot of people, thatcan be social media, it can be a
newsletter, it could be, youknow, a podcast.
It could be different things.
I do think the podcast helpedbecause I don't really have a
(10:49):
platform.
So a lot of people talk aboutbuilding a platform and that
sort of thing and you'refamiliar with all that.
But for those not familiar withpublishing that's, you know,
you don't know how it worksuntil you need to.
So I was set on self-publishing.
I've done lots of writingclasses and courses and groups
just to hone that skill, makesome connections, ask questions,
(11:10):
push through a lot of impostersyndrome.
Yes, I'm familiar with that too,yes, yes, and so I know, yes,
I've battled that in every areaof my life, and so writing was
no different, and and all thosethings were so helpful.
But everything you do is goingto tell you need to build a
(11:30):
platform in order to publish abook.
It is a little backwards.
It's a little backwards thepublishing world, but at the
same time, publishers want toknow they can make their money
back yeah, because you're theirinvestment and so it's them
being, it's them being safe,absolutely, and we've taken all
the risk yes, and they know whoyou are, they know your theology
, they know you know there's alot that they're betting on and
(11:54):
how serious you are about it.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Like you know, is this something you're trying to
make a quick buck on or is thisreally something true to you.
If you're putting in the workright to build that up, I mean I
get it, but it is it's hardit's hard.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
It's hard and and the system's not perfect and so, um
, but I had pretty much I hadfinished the manuscript at this
point but put it on the backburner for other things going on
in our lives good things butjust yeah, things are on the
forefront, just of it had beenso long since I'd picked it up
that I was kind of like, do youeven like it?
(12:28):
Was this?
Was this something you calledme to do because you needed to
refine me, or is this somethingyou actually want me to keep
going forward in Cause I'm notgoing to publish this book?
Just cause I've said publiclyI'm writing a book, like it's
not about me.
Yeah, if I need to failpublicly or look foolish, I'm
used to that by now you knowlike, yeah, that's okay.
So I was kind of praying thosesort of prayers.
(12:48):
I had been working full time, Iwasn't.
My kids were all three goinginto school that year for the
first time.
So just kind of found myself ina new season.
I had the podcast, I think.
Let's see, I think we had doneseason one and we're about to
begin season two at this point,yeah, and so it had been a while
(13:09):
since I had worked full timeactually.
So the First Abide Conferencefor anyone who's not familiar,
it's a conference that DivineMinistry of Pregnancy Mentoring
Ministry here in town puts on,and it was the very first Abide
Conference.
And so they're learning whatthey're doing.
I'm a good friends with one ofthe founders and so I was, you
(13:30):
know, wanting to help inwhatever capacity.
And it gets closer to time andshe says would you host the
speaker, which she hadarrangements in a hotel?
It was just, will you pick herup from the airport and make
sure she eats, make sure sheknows what song we need to come
out for?
You know, like when she speaks,and I said, yes, I would love
to.
And I really felt like,whatever you need me to do, you
(13:52):
know direct traffic, you know,which would have been a ministry
because it was August, um, uh,yeah, and so here in Louisiana,
well, so I was like, yes, I willdo that, that.
And I had COVID the week before, so I had major COVID brain.
I was like, am I even going tobe able to have small
conversation?
You know, make small talk.
So I pick her up from theairport.
(14:14):
Her name's Trillia Newbell.
A lot of people might know herbook, 52 Weeks in the Word.
But she has lots of great booksand just launched another.
Pick her up.
She's the sweetest, kindestsoul, just really enjoyed her
and I'm getting to know her.
She's asking questions and I'mhonestly.
She asks a couple of questionslike well, bethany, my friend at
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the Vine, was like you know,she mentioned that you teach,
you know your life group and I'mlike, yeah, you know we do, and
so I kind of talked about thatand then switch the subject and
she said well she tells me you,you know, you wrote a book.
And I'm like, yeah, you knowsuch you know, and I try not to
really expound, because whowants to be picked up from the
airport?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
And then you know, you tell them.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Right, yes, and so I'm, like you know, asking
questions about her.
She's got two kids and they'reolder.
Well, the next morning we go tobreakfast, so we have time to
just sit and visit before theevent.
And she's asking more and morequestions about the book, like,
well, give me an example of that, what's the chapter?
That kind of thing.
And so I'm explaining and weend up both tearing up yeah, I
(15:23):
don't like public crying for meat all, which the Lord is slowly
breaking down, but we ended upboth tearing up, as I'm telling
this one chapter that ended upbeing chapter three in the book.
She said well, I'm actually theacquisitions director for Moody
.
Publishers?
Yeah, and I know that.
And so she said would you wantto?
You know, maybe Zoom she wasflying out that day Would you
(15:52):
want to zoom and meet about it?
And I'm like okay, and Ihonestly thought I was playing
it cool.
But when we got inside she saidare you, are you doing okay?
And I was like yeah, like I'mgreat, you know, and I'm
thinking my COVID brain, youknow.
I was like yeah, you know, andI'm honestly kind of trying to
be quiet because she's got tospeak and I know I get really
nervous and I don't know if sheneeded to look over her notes a
little bit.
She said are you sure you'redoing okay, like you're counting
(16:13):
?
It's just like your spiritseems down.
And I was like, oh, and Ihonestly wasn't processing this
in the moment.
But I said well, I think I justdon't want you to think like
I've driven you around so thatyou'll look at my book, like I
mean, I didn't know what she did, yeah.
Yeah, she goes oh, you know, laythat down, that's this is what
I do, this is this is my job.
(16:34):
Like I'll I find joy in thisand, like you know, I can't
promise anything that's going tohappen, but I think it's worth
meeting about.
So we did, and she encouragedme to go through the book
proposal process with them, andyou know there were a couple
different steps, but yeah, whichthat's a process too.
Yeah, it was.
It was weeks of waiting and butyeah, I mean very wild story
(16:58):
yeah, that is really cool.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I feel like that's even just a word about putting
your yes on the table, beingwilling to serve it something
else, and how?
Yeah, that was put together.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Even with COVID brain , the Lord can work miracles,
yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Or how to just always purpose behind any little thing
that you do, like yeah, you'rehelping out for that event, but
then you know we're always therefor a reason.
That's really cool, it was.
Oh man.
So you mentioned chapter threea little bit out of all the
chapters.
Was that the hard one to write,or was there any other hard
ones or special?
Ones that I won't tell thechapter three story because it's
(17:35):
so good, you just gotta read ityou gotta read it it's.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
It's a really, really sweet one.
I think it'll be, I think it'llbe something people really
enjoy and connect with.
But I would say the hardestones for me to write were
chapters five and six.
I added them later in the game,like I actually had to get my
proposal re-approved, whichwasn't a huge deal, but I just
(17:58):
felt like I felt like there wasa hole, there was something I
needed to say and I honestlycouldn't even like couldn't say
with clarity what that was.
So chapter five is talking abouthow we have lack and limitation
and that we're supposed to.
That's designed so.
It really attacks mom guilt,which we can go into if you want
(18:19):
.
But chapter six is goes intowhen we do fail, when we
actually have failure, and hissovereignty even in that.
But but I, for the love of me,could not stop mixing the two
chapters because that's what wedo.
We think that our limitation isfailure and I knew it.
But I'm telling you that's howdeep that is ingrained in us it
(18:44):
is.
We want to make our limitationsand our lack outside of the
lord failure.
It's's not.
It was designed to depend onhim.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
So that one was really hard.
I don't want to ask you moreabout that, so tell us more
about the chapter about thelimitations.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Well okay.
So so I'll give the chapteropener, basically, which is you
know, I don't know, brandy likewhat you need as a person.
I know I need, obviously, xamount of meals, snacks, enough
water.
I need my coffee, you know.
I need time with friends, Ineed time alone to recharge.
(19:27):
I need, every once in a while,some time to create and dream,
you know, and I like to take awalk every once in a while,
cause that gets me out of my,you know, out of my head and
connect me with the Lord.
And so I have all these thingsthat I need, and I've always had
those.
I had those before I had kids,and all of those needs are good,
right, I mean, we haven't saidanything that's bad, All those
things were acceptable, they'regood.
(19:47):
And then all of those needs aregood, right, I mean, we haven't
said anything that's bad, allthose things were acceptable,
they're good.
And then, all of a sudden,something happened and between
my water breaking and me cominghome with a newborn, all those
things were bad, because now,when I need those things, I have
to take away from my child, andso there's this feeling of
(20:12):
failure and simply needing to bea person and being selfish, all
of a sudden, absolutely, andnot that all of those things I
mean many of those things hadhappened daily.
Some didn't happen every week,even always.
Get to create, you know, ordream, but but all of a sudden,
having those things that Ineeded and the things I wasn't
(20:35):
good at, the things that I waslacking, that was okay.
Well, now my lack is my kidslack.
Now, my limitations are thingsthey can't have through me, and
I think there's an obvious truthof we're not their savior.
Yeah, but also, you know, it'sreally hard to define goodness.
And what does God define as good?
Well, it's interesting becausewhen you go back to the Garden
(20:58):
of Eden, he calls it very good.
Once he created male and female, everything was good.
Then it was not good for man tobe alone.
And then they're very good,right, yeah, well, good for me
to be alone.
And then they're very good,right, yeah, well, they were
very good and they were notclothed, they had no clothes,
they had lack.
And the interesting thing is in, I guess, chapter three, in the
(21:18):
fall, they hide.
They hear the sound of Godwalking in the garden.
Which, how crazy is that?
Always like that, that wordingyeah, he could walk in the
garden with them.
They hear the sound.
He calls where are you?
And Adam says well, we heardthe sound of you walking in the
garden and we hid because we'renaked.
Yeah, Well, they feel shamebecause they ate of the tree of
(21:40):
the knowledge of good and evil.
Well, it wasn't that they allof a sudden were naked.
It's now that they haveknowledge of their lack, but in
their previous state he hadcalled it very good, yeah.
And so he clothes them.
He gives them theirconsequences, he clothes them.
But the idea there and what'sinteresting is, if you go back
and read that passage, God'sfirst response before getting to
(22:02):
the consequences, who told you?
Who told you that Exactly?
And so I'm not saying we shouldall not be wearing our clothes.
Okay, that's not what I'msaying here.
But what I'm saying is in aworld where they didn't have
need of a savior yet, becausethere wasn't sin.
they always had needed of a God,and when they reached outside
(22:26):
of his presence to get with, sheand and Adam both thought they
needed.
That is when sin entered theworld, and so they had life.
They had limitation, but it'swhere they went with it.
And so this idea of goodnessisn't that you get this
checklist right.
I mean, if I teach you how toabide and I say, Brandy, here's
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the checklist, have I reallytaught you the essence of
remaining in him?
Or have I taught youself-sufficiency?
And so the idea of a good momis faithfulness Like you can't
hold the outcome, but you canseek him and everything, you can
depend on him and everythingthat's a really good.
Is that something I can justskip?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
to read that one, absolutely, you can read it
however you want to.
You have permission.
That's chapter seven, that's,that's, that's five okay,
chapter seven's rest.
That was hard too, okay that'shilarious, okay, but seven's on
rest, which is kind ofinteresting.
Is that on purpose or is itjust it was on purpose.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But the lord I love that.
You saw that.
But the lord really kind oforchestrated that because I
moved a lot of chapters around.
But that was one of the thingsI was like, probably nobody will
notice this, but it makes mehappy, yeah I'm a little bit of
a Bible nerd, so I guess we'llclue everybody else yeah, yes
(23:56):
I'll let you do that so well, onthe seventh day of creation.
So we just talked about thegarden he rested, and also, you
know seven's the number ofperfection and you know the
fullness.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, that's right so , yeah, awesome, awesome.
So is a lot of the book.
Are you drawing a lot of yourbiblical truth from genesis,
like from the garden scenario,or is it all over the place or a
lot of it is simply because,like, what do we all want to be
in motherhood?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
it would be perfect, right?
We want we had this level ofperfection, whether it's the way
something looks or the way we,the way we said we do things,
the things we said we'd never doyou know, before entering in
motherhood, or even just the waywe feel like there's a whole
chapter about compassion,because sometimes we just have
this low simmer of mom guiltbecause we don't feel the way we
(24:43):
thought we should aboutmotherhood all the time.
Yeah, where is that, you know?
Yeah, and so there's this wholecompassion of the Lord.
There's a little chapter aboutthat, but, yes, we go back to
the garden a lot, not everychapter.
There are other passages, somein the New Testament as well,
that we'll dive into fordifferent principles, but we do
go back there quite a bit,especially in the beginning,
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because we think if we couldhave perfect circumstances, we
could be the perfect mom Evenbefore the role of mom existed.
That was not the case for eve,yeah and so.
Yeah, and on the flip side ofthat, like we have been made
righteous with the blood ofchrist, like it's no longer me
who lives, it's christ who livesin me.
(25:24):
And yet I still want to add tothat in terms of worth.
Yeah, you know, and it's likeEve sort of had to depend on
doing everything.
Right, I actually don't.
Yeah, in some ways we have thislevel of perfection she
couldn't dream of.
Yeah, and we want to go back toperfect circumstances and
that's, that's evidence of some,some idols in our hearts you
(25:46):
know?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, would you think that has more to do with, like,
the American culture versussome other cultures, or do you
think that's just kind ofprobably everywhere?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I think it is probably everywhere to some
extent, probably in everyperson's mind.
If we could have this then we'dbe complete, and I think it has
to be, because I mean, look atthe American culture we do.
Everyone lives in wealth, nomatter what that compared to
(26:16):
other countries, yes, we live socomfortably, you know and.
I realize there are varyingdegrees and that's not the case
for every single person, for thevast majority, like, yeah, in
the times we think we'restruggling, we have way more
than other places and it hasn'tfilled the void, you know.
And so I do think that in everyheart there is something,
(26:39):
because there is this void thatonly God can fill.
But I mean absolutely.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
I think the fact that it feels attainable in the
American culture can make yeah,I think that's probably the
great Gby, that like constantillusion of like it's just right
there.
If I just one more thing, andit'd be yes, and that's what
keeps us on a farce you know.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
think about how privileged it is to have the
idol of self-sufficiency.
Yeah, If you, if you live in anagricultural area and you're,
you're completely dependent onyour crops or your herd or
whatever you.
You realize how out of controlyou are.
Like you're waiting on theweather.
Whether you're a believer ornot, yeah, you realize the
(27:20):
weather, the soil, the animals,the pests.
I mean, you know there's a lotof things outside of your
control.
But the american dream is well,if I could do more and be more
and earn more.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, I can fill enough, or even even in that
scenario, if I can just monitormore or just be the really great
caretaker and have no otherlife.
Yeah, oh, yeah.
You know like yeah, oh, man,absolutely well, this feels like
a really great book, thank youyeah, I'm really excited about
it yeah, I really am so.
(27:49):
When's it come out?
I know it's coming out soon.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I pre-ordered it already yes, yeah, it launches
March 4th, so it's yeah, rightaround the corner.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, are you having like a lunch party or like um,
gonna be a book?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
signing or anything.
I don't know if I'm gonna sign.
I've had people ask that I'mlike I don't think there will be
any line there for me but theremight be.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I mean, how you know, you're also a podcast host and
speaker, like it could be alittle bit.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
That's so funny.
I don't know if that's true.
I know I will sign if peoplewant me.
I feel like that would justlike bring the value of the book
down right now if I putanything.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Impostor said don't go away in jesus name be gone um
, it's with us forever.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, I don't know.
This is funny, though, actually, that you say that because we
are doing a launch party.
I don't really know what that'sgonna look like.
Totally, we have a meetingabout that this week, but
something with friends andfamily, I think of the church,
and I'm like having to mentallyprepare to celebrate, because
when I signed the book contracts, like all of my friends wanted
(28:53):
to celebrate and my impostersyndrome would not let me, and
I'm like how about you will pullit together and celebrate the
work of the Lord has donebecause there is a time for
everything under heaven.
But what's funny about booksigning is actually I think one
of the things this was Andrew'sidea that we're going to do is
have a copy of my book and leteveryone else sign it for me to
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keep.
That is special.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
so, yeah, a little backwards, but that's what we're
gonna fight because you alwayshave to keep at least one yeah,
that's right yeah, because Ihave a few I have to call back
to make sure it's not in aninventory.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah it's like this is mine right.
Yeah, yeah, give them all away.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, so true, yeah, that's really.
That's a great idea.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Good job, andrew.
Oh, he's the best.
I feel like most of thechapters of the book are like me
, just like explaining thestruggle, and then Andrew's
wisdom, I can give him a cut,you know.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, that's awesome, that's awesome, oh man.
Yeah, that's awesome, that'sawesome, oh man, so is your
pre-order still, sale stillgoing on, it's still going on.
Yeah, do you have any record ofthat?
Can you see?
You know that on your side.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I don't know if I can see it or not, but I'm like
maybe that's the lord'sprotection yeah I will say this
like I'm shocked that it'shappening.
So I have no preconceivednotions about book sales, or
yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I'm just yeah Well, similar thing for myself, like
after well, it's complicated,but essentially no, I could not
see it wasn't accurate.
Yeah, hardly at all.
So, oh, so the numbers you wereseeing, I can't, actually,
couldn't really, or I can't not,couldn't, I cannot, like I can
(30:35):
see Amazon sales and that's it,and that's because I have a
different.
I have an author account throughthat so I can only see Amazon
sales, but it's everywhere wecan buy it.
So like I didn't get adifferent royalty check this
month, that only happens likequarterly Gotchacha, but I still
don't even know the numbersfrom that.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
like I don't know what that means right.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
So I'm like, I'm like in the middle, like email.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
This is way too.
I'm just curious and like andalso, you know, for marketing
purposes.
You're like you know whateverbut.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
But I told my kind of a similar thing like um, I
think this is a good thing, so Idon't, yeah, obsess about that,
that, and just move on and livein the message of the book.
And so I think, yeah, I'm withyou on that.
Yeah, that's so funny, yeah.
So I'm super excited and youguys go out there, get that book
(31:26):
.
And I know it's on Amazon, Imean, that's where I
pre-purchased mine.
Do you have other places thatare going to be available?
Um?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Barnes and Noble Books a Million.
Moody's website I don't know.
Last I checked Moody's website,which has been a while.
I don't know if it wasavailable for pre-order, but it
will be available but it will bethere just yeah, and they side
note Moody runs like really goodsales.
They do like a I think it's asemi-annual sale where I mean
it's like 40 or 50% off.
(31:54):
It's crazy, Wow yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Okay, looking there for some sales.
Yeah, be good for like babyshower type of gift, maybe
Mother's Day, so those would becoming up just around that.
Well, everyone has babiesanytime.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Mother's Day being May, it's maybe good.
Good for that too.
You know some yes moms arebeing new moms, yeah, so yeah,
well, I'm excited for you.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, I'm really excited.
Well, I wanted to ask you tooabout podcasting, for a minute
since I mean, I don't have thischance to talk about that and I
know here people don't reallyknow all the things, um, but for
you, like, how did you get intothat?
Like what was the was the ideafor that?
I know you have some.
You had some background workwith working with a different
(32:33):
podcast for a minute but how?
Did like salt works.
How did?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
that come.
Yeah, you know I had worked fora podcast before.
That's very successful andwell-known, but I was helping
with content and I was not atall ever like with in front of
the camera, or technical, oreven scheduling.
you know any of that and I canremember thinking like I don't
(32:57):
think I could do that you know,like it was just so I would get
nervous and I'm not, I wasn'trecording, you know like just I
would just get nervous onrecording days and so never saw
that happening for me.
But when I went back to be homeagain we had kind of a health
crisis with my youngest and thatkind of just reset like I need
(33:19):
to be back home.
That's the only way I know howto really describe and he's well
, he's good, but it was a wholedeal.
It's a long story that kind ofjust reoriented my priorities,
um and so that's kind of howthat came about, but in the
season where the vine wasstarting.
So that's that same ministrythat I mentioned earlier.
(33:40):
That put on the conference.
They're just beginning, so theconference is not in sight at
this point.
My friend invited me to a prayermeeting.
They were opening, their doorshad officially opened, but it
kind of happened so quickly thatthey were like you know, our
doors are open, our website'slive, so we have to be there,
but we still want people to comeand pray for this meeting
(34:01):
because nobody really knows whatwe do, you know.
So we go they're in our lifegroup at the time and we go and
she gives us the whole story,which is just, I mean, miracle
after miracle, of the Lordopening doors, and the timing of
everything is crazy.
That's actually the firstepisode of the Saltworks.
For anybody that wants to hearit, it's wonderful.
But I just can remember thinkinglike, because I had kept blogs
(34:25):
before, like I wish I could gettheir story out and I didn't
really have anything at thatpoint that would be feasible for
me to use.
And I just remember thinkinglike man, if I had a podcast,
like I would love to interviewher so they can hear her say
what it is, because she justtold it so well and it was just
so real and genuine, you know,and then they could know what to
(34:46):
bring and what to provide andknow where to send funds or
whatever, because they had a lotof needs starting out.
And I'm praying and you know,we're we're prayer walking.
We're praying in the bathroom,so that's where women will take
pregnancy tests and you know,just whatever.
And I just remember thinkinglike this is crazy.
(35:06):
But I went up to Bethany andsaid okay, this is a little
insane, but if I can pull apodcast together, would you be
my first guest?
And she said okay, and I waslike I'll take it, yeah, so I
started pulling together Like Idon't even know what the first
(35:26):
steps of starting a podcast are.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I literally Googled.
I was Googling and there's likea wiki how on it actually which
is very helpful that way, Iprobably did the same thing, I
don't remember.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I just blacked out in that part, no, but it was like,
okay, what do I need next?
And when you know and kind of Ineeded to pull in other people
Can you help me with the coverart?
Can you help me with the coverart?
Can you help me with the music,can you?
And because I did that, thatkind of kept me accountable for
like, okay, I've told this manypeople, I'm doing this, I can't
just quit because it's scary orI don't know how to do the next
(35:59):
thing.
And so I just kept going.
I mean, my feeling was okay, Iwas working in a full-time
ministry.
Now I'm not, and I know whereI'm, I'm where I'm supposed to
be.
But now my kids are in schooland here's this need and I have
this time.
If I can figure out how to plugtwo microphones into my
computer, why wouldn't I bedoing this?
(36:20):
That was kind of my feeling atthe time, and lots of imposter
syndrome, lots of.
At that point I had noexpectations for anyone to
listen at all, because I'd keptmany blogs where people didn't
read, you know.
And so you know it was justlike if one person needs to hear
it.
But it's just been how to eatan elephant, one at a time.
(36:43):
You know, and you figure it out.
We're still figuring things out.
We're in a studio now we've gotthings like lighting and
cameras and we just kind of hopeand pray that they work.
I don't know that we can set itback up again.
And now Lindsay Stagg, who youknow, know what we would do
without Colin.
Yeah, just have a really messyfinished product, I guess.
(37:12):
But yeah, honestly, if itweren't for Lindsay and Colin,
I'm not sure we could have hadseason three because of
everything with the book.
I mean, they really havecarried the podcast.
Yeah, I'm so grateful for them.
Yeah.
That's great, well, and I'm gladthey've been able to jump into
it because it is a good podcastand I didn't even say the name
(37:32):
of Saltworks, but when we werestarting it and the idea was
interview people like like thevine, where nobody knows.
This is the need.
Nobody knows the story and I'mlike there's so many untold
stories.
People who might not write abook, might never stand on this
stage, but they have stories totell, and so that was kind of
the idea and my mom suggestedthe name Saltworks, and
(37:55):
Saltworks is a term meaning aplace where salt is literally
refined.
We're called to be the salt ofthe earth.
That's what we're undergoing,this refinement and
sanctification as we walk onthis side of heaven with him,
and so there's that.
But saltworks can also be aslang term used for jobs, of
meaning like drudgery and like.
(38:15):
That's what it looks like a lotof days.
So it's meant to be thisencouragement.
As you hear other people'sstories oh my goodness, I didn't
know that was happening.
You know, in their life or inin right here in this town this
ministry is starting, orwhatever that looks like for
that week.
In the person's story, itencourages you to run the race
set before you and your cornerof the saw works.
(38:37):
Yeah, so it's been really neat.
It's absolutely not what Iexpected and it's way better
than I could have asked orimagined.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
So, yeah, isn't it great, like I love doing it,
yeah, and we always get a bitmore of the story than what's
actually gets produced out but Ihave no idea what all I've said
.
No, no, but there's usuallyalways a little bit extra little
side conversations here andthere before and after it and
you know you carry them in yourheart.
(39:05):
I like finding people andencouraging them to share
because in their arms, whateverit takes, because I like people,
people and encouraging them toshare, twisting their arms
whatever it takes, because Ilike people to understand that
they all have a story.
We all have experienced God,whether we know it or not, and
we all have one.
They're all worth sharing.
I mean, sharing in ourtestimonies are so powerful.
(39:25):
You know, for some people thatis their Jesus.
That they see, yeah, or hear,that's the gospel they're
hearing is your life, yourexperience, and so, whether it's
a salt work or somewhere in themuck, you know like and that's
the genuineness part of it,hearing that from other people
like man, that is thatencouragement they need.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
So yeah, Well, and, and there will be people that
listen to your podcast that willnever listen to mine you know,
and so it's just like you know,I've had to remind myself as you
go for anyone out there that'slike I don't know if I can do
that, or I don't know if Ishould write or start a podcast.
I can remember reading amotherhood book I think it was a
waking wonder by Sally Clarkson, what was one of hers.
(40:07):
She's great, she's just thissweet soul that it just she
dreams well, she's an encourager, she's just kind and gentle and
I just like her.
She's got a podcast, written alot of books and there was this
one chapter and I think it waswaking wonder and she just
basically gave you permission tolike need some time for
yourself.
(40:27):
That is not like agroundbreaking truth, yeah, but
I needed to hear it from hervoice.
Yeah, and I've carried thatwith me of like I mean, she
worded it so well and it wastruth and it was good, but I
could have heard that fromsomeone else and it might not
have carried as much weight, butlike Sally Clarkson gave me
permission.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
She said that that's right, yes gave me permission.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
She said that yes, and so you know, sometimes your
voice brings credits into thingsthat someone else might not.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yeah yeah, annie F Downs like certain things from
hers, is like for me.
I'm like oh yeah, well, anniesaid it.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
That's right.
Annie says, so we can.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah, yeah.
Oh man, I was going to ask alittle bit more about your show.
Do you want to share a littlebit more about like how often?
Speaker 2 (41:12):
I mean y'all it's pretty weekly, you're pretty
regular now yeah so I think whenwe talked last year, I'll say
this when I started the podcast,I was a one woman show, like I
was recording, editing,scheduling, all you you know,
you get it.
A lot of things, a lot of things, also still a mom of three, and
(41:34):
so I had to say, okay, our goalis weekly, every Tuesday, but
if I have sick kids like thethree, kid life we're going to
somebody's going to have feverfor two weeks, yeah, and so if
that's the case and I don't havea show stockpiled, then we're
just not gonna have a show likewe're not out here to look
perfect or have thisprofessional, this curated
(41:55):
product like this is real life,and if I can't record, then we
don't have an episode.
So we did season one for sure,like that season two a little
bit more as well.
Lindsey helped so much becauseshe does all of our logistics
and, yeah, I'm not good at andso she keeps a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Like that's half of it.
So much of it and figuring outwhat we can both get together
Right, yeah, and just answeringa text back.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
That's not my spiritual gift, and so she
carried that.
But even in season two we wouldsometimes and she's a mom too,
so you know we would sometimes,and she's a mom too, so you know
we had things going on.
We would still not have anepisode, but we've done ads this
year, so we haven't been ableto take a break.
But the Lord's provided yeah,he's provided, he's stretched us
(42:42):
in ways, because we used toonly do so.
I would do like probably threestories and then a standalone
where we got into someone'sstory in the Bible, which I love
and we still do occasionally.
But we had kind of a drought atthe beginning of season three
and like I don't know why, butwe could not get people into the
studio.
I mean, we were opened up likewhatever time, whatever, we'll
meet you up here.
It was all legitimate reasons,this person had that and this
(43:05):
person, but it just wasn'thappening.
And so when you hit momentslike that in ministry, you feel
like, is this still what?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
you want us to do you know like?
Speaker 2 (43:14):
are we trying to do this in our own strength, is
this?
But he really obviously built alot of refinement and faith in
those moments, a lot of learningand leaning on him to be the
provider that we can do all theright things.
But he brings the stories likeit's not us, and so that was a
reminder, but it also stretchedour capacity to go.
(43:34):
You know what me?
And you can have conversations,you know, and so we've done
that a lot more on season threeand we've enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah, great, I'll turn one on forgiveness.
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Oh, that was Lindsay's idea and I was like
okay.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, yeah.
So so you know it's convicting.
I've done something similar,but I like y'all's take on it,
it was good.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Oh yeah, y'all should listen to Lindsay Nally thank
you, do as we say, not as we doyeah, well, thank you for
talking about both of yourthings your book and your
podcast and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Do you have any merchandise, since you have a
website?
Speaker 2 (44:13):
and whatnot.
So, okay, technically, rightnow we don't have our website up
, so we're moving towards that.
We worked on one for a whileand then kind of put it on the
back burner.
All in good time, we hadsweatshirts for a while and then
we closed them, but we havetalked about having more merch
soon, so I'm excited.
On the lookout, on the lookout.
(44:34):
Yes, that's something I wouldlove to do.
I love some good merch.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Yeah, who doesn't?
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah, so stay tuned for that.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Well, thank you so much for coming out all the way
out here.
No, it wasn't bad at all, andit's been great to hear from a
local author, a local person,yes, and I wish you all the best
with your book and everythingelse, so you had to get it.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
You got to go get it.
Thank you so much.
I appreciate it.
Thank you for having me.
My name is Hallie Dye and thisis my story of the middle and
I'm your host, Brainy Bostic.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
You've been listening for the Up for the Mutt podcast
.
If you're interested inmerchandise or other uplifting
stories, check me out atupforthemuttcom.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Psalm 42,.
He brought me up from adesolate pit, out of the muddy
clay, and set my feet on therock, making my steps secure.
Thank you.
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