Wingin' It ft: James Hammond

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he can't ignore. Welcome to the Up in the Clouds

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podcast featuring your host Adrian Hustling.
What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the podcast.
We had a bit of a break there, alittle too weak gap.
I know, I know, you know been. Moving around a little bit.
Been moving around a little bit,Went from Peru.
To Canada, to Hawaii, now to Australia.

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I'm down under and I think we'llbe able to get sorted into a
good routine moving forward. We got an absolute banger of an
interview for you today. Had James Hammond come on, he's
traveled the 70 countries and he's got some fun stories to
share and some relatable events as well because he's done the
South America thing. He's done the working visa in

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Australia. But before we get to that, let's
do a little life update because it has been a hot minute.
What can I say? I've been in Sydney, Australia
for a week. It's been fantastic.
The weather hasn't been the greatest.
We're just getting out of the winter season here.
When I first arrived, it was pouring rain for 48 hours.
I went what the heck. Where am I?

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I thought it was coming to the. Beach, but it's starting to
clear up now. We're getting some sunny days
but it is still quite windy. That cools things down a little
bit, but I've managed to do a couple beach days.
I'm out on Coogee Beach in Sydney for those of you that
know what I'm talking about. And if you don't, well, too bad.
But yeah, it's nice out here. I'm not right in the city.

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I'm on the shoreline there on the beach.
It's a nice little vibe. And before I got here though,
before I got here, I was in Hawaii for one week.
I did a layover in Honolulu, decided to do an extended
layover. And let me tell you, Hawaii as a
magical place. I understand now why people love
it so much. The crazy thing is why is

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actually like 5 or 6 different islands and you actually have to
take a flight to each island. So I end up just staying on
Oahu. I didn't want to pay for the
extra flights, didn't have a tonof time either.
There is a lot to do just on the1 island itself.
So that is what I did. I was there for a week just
enjoying the weather, enjoying the beaches.
I toured pretty much each side of the island.

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I did the Cocoa Head tour, whichinvolves an early morning hike
and I just happened to be slightly still drunk that
morning. We were having some fun nights
out there in Waikiki. But yeah, I did a hike.
It was basically just a railroadtrack up to the top of this
mountain and that was an absolute find 1000 steps up.
So I might have started still a bit drunk, but by the time I got

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to the top I was definitely sober.
Gorgeous views though. Absolutely gorgeous views.
And then we went to a couple different beaches a different
day. I went with a buddy I met.
You had to rental car. We went to the West side of the
island, same thing. Checked out some beaches.
We were going to do a hike but we decided not to.
We were just having a nice chillbeach day.

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And then another day I went out with a group to North Shore.
Shout out to my North Shore friends, you know who you are.
Uh, they had rented a Jeep, but there was no room for your boy.
So I actually ended up running amoped, which, you know, I go to
the rental shop and I say I'm going to North Shore and she
goes, oh, North Shore. OK, well, you're going to have
to let the thing rest every 30 minutes.

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It's not meant for long drives. And of course, me being me, I'm
not really listening or cluing into what she's saying.
Really what she was saying is you probably shouldn't take this
moped that distance. Why shouldn't stop me and maybe
mention like, hey, you should run like the next model up
because I literally just got thecheapest thing available, which
was still $100 a day, but nonetheless.
Anyways, so I take this little moped over to North Shore.

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It's a 2 hour drive through bunch of hills and turns and
whatnot. I'm right on the side of the
highway and going there wasn't too bad.
I didn't notice any issues. Obviously the fastest I could go
was 40 miles an hour, but usually the speed limit was 3545
miles an hour. So it wasn't a huge difference.
But it was on the way back whichI had the issue and that was I

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was coming back and the two hourdrive there, obviously I had it
pinned the whole time, just maxed out full throttle.
And I was doing the same thing on the way back and I was
noticing it was having some issues.
I was having some troubles. As soon as I got to an uphill,
it would just slow down 8 to 15 miles an hour.
And I was thinking, Oh my gosh, am I going to get this thing
back? I had to pull over to the
shoulder of the highway. I'm just literally ripping on

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the shoulder. I got cars passing me by.
Uh, quite the experience for sure.
I was enjoying it, but yeah, a. Little stressed for sure.
And then I was about 15 minutes from town and I finally said to
myself, I should probably let this thing cool down because she
was starting to stall a little bit.
I was noticing when I slowed down, I got to the light, she
was like she was, she was hurting.

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She was barely running. So I pull off to this little
side road 15 minutes from the rental shop.
I decided to let her cool down. Well, the problem is I let her
cool down and then I go to starter and she would start, but
then she wouldn't go anywhere. As soon as I, as soon as I went
on the throttle, she would just die completely.
So that was that was an adventure I had to call for, for

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a rescue from my my friends there who were in the Jeep.
So they came and rescued me. And then a guy from the rental
shop actually swung by as well. He ended up getting it running,
but he said, you know, if you give it full throttle, it's
going to die right away. You just got to give it half.
Well, I don't have a ton of experience on the throttle or
the bikes. And I said, listen, buddy, I'm
guaranteed going to put this thing full throttle rather than

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deal with the stress. I think I'll just hop in the
Jeep if you don't mind dealing with this.
And he said, Yep, no worries. We'll we'll chain her up dealer
tomorrow. So shout out to my friends who
were able to bail me out there and uh yeah, quite, quite the
experience was a fun little drive.
But yeah, I would recommend to anyone listening if you do go to
Hawaii, you want to run a moped,maybe get the next model up, get

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the sport mode which should be able to get you across the
island. But anyways, Hawaii was an
absolute blast. I got to give a shout out to the
OG room 11 boys as well. The first hostel I stayed in and
up rooming with three absolute beauties.
All of them are from the UK, twoof which Maddie Boy and Sam have

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actually been living down in Sydney, Australia for the last
two years and they happen to be on the exact same flight I was
taking back to Sydney, so that was really cool.
Shout out to Hayden as well, he was the other member of the
room. We had a great week together,
going to the bar, sharing some memories, going to those hostile
events and and Sammy Boy, he was7 for seven going to the local

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pub. We went to a local Irish pub
called Kelly's. Absolute great vibes, good
music, good times. And yeah, you know, we got, we
got into a little trouble, but we don't, we don't need to share
that. We don't have to tell all the
stories. So but yeah, no good times.
I absolutely love those boys. And yeah, down here in Sydney
now I've I've seen Matt and Sam once and they actually their

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managers at a bar here in town and they mentioned, hey, if
you're looking for work, maybe you can come bartend with us.
So we'll explore that option in the future here.
But right now, it's been a week.I'm trying to just enjoy myself,
but I also know that I do need to find work soon.
Yes, I have some money, but I need to start working because

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the whole point is to come here,save some money, and get ready
for the next set of travels, which will be Japan and
Southeast Asia. So that's what I've been trying
to do. This week is just balancing
between, you know, spending a day looking at jobs, figuring
out certifications, getting my Australian drivers license, all
that fun boring stuff and then balancing it with some
adventure. Is the other day I went to the

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Blue Mountains, not the Blue Mountain of Ontario.
You're thinking of the Blue Mountains of Australia.
And I went to the Grand Canyon, to the Grand Canyon walk.
And it actually looks super similar to the Grand Canyon and
the States, which is crazy. Didn't expect that here.
But much more vegetation, very green, lot of waterfalls,
natural lookouts. It was absolutely beautiful.

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Awesome day. So yeah, that's kind of the leaf
update is I'm now in Sydney, Australia.
I'm trying to get my life sorted.
I'm trying to get a job ideally in firefighting.
There's a few hoops I got to go through, but that's just part of
the whole process. That's part of moving to a new
country and trying to get sorted.
So trying to work on that every day and then trying to do some

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exploring, you know, doing the Blue Mountains, doing the hike
and doing the beach days. Got some beach volleyball going
the other day. So, so life is good.
Definitely cannot complain. It's still surreal that I'm even
in this country. I know I was at the Opera House
the other day and I had to shakemy head and go, wow, this is
crazy. Like, you're here, you know, you
always see pictures of these places online, but you're never

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too sure if you got to see them in person.
So it's been a really cool experience.
I'm out a little hostile right now.
They actually call it a hotel. It's quite nice on both ends on
Monday. I think I'll probably stay
another week until I can get things sorted.
I'm not committing to staying inSydney just yet.

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Depending on where the work is, right, I could go anywhere.
It could be a NSW, could be overin the WA, over in the Perth
area, who knows. So I don't want to get an
apartment just yet unless I knowI'm actually staying in Sydney.
So do the Haseley for a bit longer here and hopefully lock
down a job in the next and the next week.
If not, maybe I'll have to reevaluate and not be so picky.

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But anyhow, I think that's aboutenough for now.
I'm trying to think if there's any fun stories to share.
I mean, obviously the moped in Hawaii was a good one.
Other than that, it was. Just the beach days and then
some fun nights with the boys. And yes, Sydney is just being a
good vibe so far, nothing crazy to report.
I'm kind of trying to take it a bit easy on that front.

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So yeah, yeah, I think that's itfor now.
But coming up, like I mentioned,interview with James Hammond.
He's currently residing in Vancouver, BC And yeah, he's got
some real fun stories to share. We definitely shared some laughs
and we were able to relate a little bit too because we've had
kind of a similar path. He just happened to do his
adventures about 10 years in advance.

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So, you know, it's good, good talking with them.
And I think we'll definitely do a follow up interview in the
future. But as always, let me know what
you think. And I am always looking for new
guests for the podcast, whether I've met you or you're a first
time listener. So feel free to reach out at
uintheclouds@gmail.com or at U in the Clouds under score on

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Instagram. Would love to hear you whether
you want to be a guest or even any feedback.
I never get any feedback except for word of mouth, which doesn't
happen too often. So anyways, yeah, I think that's
all we got for you. Today, so without a further.
ADO. Let's.
Head on over to the Review. All right, our next guest to the

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album The Clouds podcast claims to have traveled to 70
countries, yet he chooses to live in Vancouver, BC of all
places. He is a fellow travel podcast
host with over 10 years travel experience and over 180 episodes
published since COVID. He's high volcanoes in
Guatemala, ridden a camel through the Thar desert, not

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sure if I'm saying that right, and experienced a Yukon winter.
The lover of baked beans, Jimi Hendrix.
And a good coffee. James Hammond.
Hey, how you doing? Good.
How you doing? Yeah, not too bad.
Yeah, I got stuck in Vancouver, so that's why I'm here.
All you got stuck there. Well, did you get stuck there?

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Is it cause of a woman? No, it's because of COVID.
OHT and you're still there. Yeah, still there.
Yeah, hanging on. All right.
Well, they let you stay. So I mean, that's that's a good
thing. That's a good start.
Now, before we get into the interview here, I like to do a
little segment called Speed Round questions.
Are you familiar with this? Now let's do it.

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No, of course not. He doesn't listen to the
podcast. What am I talking about?
Alright, so I'm going to give you 2 options.
You pick the option you like the.
Best, yeah. I'll let you have a sip and then
we'll get going. Alright, Happy to be home or
wish you were traveling. Travelling.
Road trip or hop on a flight. Road trip.

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Record in person or online. In person.
Plan ahead or wing it. Wing it.
Gringo trailer off the beaten path.
Off the beaten path. South America or Southeast Asia?
OHS, it's like a first love versus a new love.

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Um, love his agent. OK, Americano or latte?
Americano. Red kidney or black beans?
Red kidney. Beat your mountains.
Mountains. Yeah, that one, That one gets

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everyone. Make the introduction or stick
to yourself. Um, sticks myself.
Yeah, OK. That won't surprises me.
Yeah. OK, fair enough.
Well, that's it. That's that's the speed round
questions right there. You didn't run out like that.
No, I like that. Yeah, because that's quite a

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good idea. I enjoy doing it right cause it
kinda just warms you up a littlebit like losing games and I put
try to put some fun ones in there, you know like the like
the beans. Yeah.
Tell you what though, South America, I'm now feeling better
than say it. Ohk.
No, there's nothing like your first love, you know what I
mean? Southeast Asia, yeah.

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So what was that idea? OK.
Well, I want to start things offfor everyone that's listening.
You have a lot of travel experience.
Like I said, you've been a 70 countries, have been doing the
podcast for a while. But what I want to know is where
your inspiration began, like where it all began.
What was your inspiration and why did you choose Australia for
your visa? A lot of questions.

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OK Australia for visa is an easyone cause I went to watch the
cricket in 2010. Eleven.
So I don't know if you're interested in cricket or not.
I'm actually fine back there late in the year to watch it
again for the third time. So when I first one in 2010, I
couldn't really believe what I was seeing.
So like, you know, would be called to stay here and in

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Perth, a Test match, a guy in front of us who is first
generation Australian, his dad from Leeds in the UK is like,
oh, you just get a work permit and come over here, buy a car,
get a job. I was like, oh, that sounds
quite good idea. And literally after that trip, I
was like, OK, I'm gonna look into this.
And as a UK passport holder, youcan get it pretty much ASAP.
So I put that in and but I was, I was two out of four years into

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my degree. So I thought I'd finished my
music degree and I'll go. So I've got a job, save money,
plan trip, and that was a two year trip for six months travel.
First Australia in the middle and then South America at the
end of it and in Europe at the very, very end.
And the inspiration behind that was just that trip, I think.
I think I realized there's more places than Europe because when

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you grow up, you kind of dip into France and Germany.
You don't take it seriously, like, Oh yeah, just over there.
You don't actually like invest in the culture.
You just think, Oh yeah, I'm going to watch football or we're
going on a lads holiday. It's not that big, right?
But when I got to Australia, that kind of changed.
Well, it's a big world out there, and that's what you
realize when you actually go, I'm gonna say international, You
know, obviously for you going into the countries,

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international, but it's still Europe, right?
It's still kind of a silly feeling.
But when you're across the globe, you realize, OK, there's
like there's a lot more out there.
There's a lot more to see and experience.
Yeah. So how hard was it for you to
get the visa when you're coming to Australia?
Ah, it took like an afternoon. Yeah, OK, super easy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No comma record, so that helped

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out, yeah. Well, and that's really all it
is, right? As long as you meet the age
requirements, you don't have a criminal record.
I know when I apply it, I actually got the acceptance so
quickly through the e-mail that I didn't even notice it for
three days. Oh, wow.
Yeah, yeah. Is that what you're on now?
Not as one I'm on now. So I just started mine.
I was approved last September and kind of similar to what you
did, I decided to travel for a bit 1st and then come to

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Australia so I can make some money and then fund the future
travels. So you were saying you went to
Southeast Asia before Australia then?
Is that where you went for the six months?
Yeah, so I mean, my buddy from uni when I booked a trip and
he's oh, do you fancy going to Asia?
Like Asia where where's that? He's like, oh, you know, just SE
Southeast Asia. Yeah, why not?
It sounds sounds quite nothing. So he wants to do 3 months in

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Southeast Asia 1st and I agreed and then we went to Fiji, New
Zealand and then Australia. But I really had no idea what I
was getting myself into in Southeast Asia.
I was like, I'll land in Bangkokand see what happens and we just
had most unbelievable time and put you back into previous
times. This was a time before
smartphones. So 2013 January they were about,

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but they weren't as readily available as they are today or
even affordable. So I was like, oh, we're kind of
landing with a sort of half a book and we're going to wing it
in hostels and speak to people and and try it out.
We've got scammed loads of times.
It's all part of the fun and we made-up as went along and met
nice group of people. Actually we hang around them for
six weeks and went around Cambodia, up Vietnam, Lao, back

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into N Thailand and back down again.
So that was our route. Well, and that's that's the
biggest thing like you're sayingis like you, you can plan it all
you want, but I find the best trips are when you're winging
it, like maybe January 1st destination book your first
couple nights so you're not stressing there.
But I find that once you get to those locations, it's all about
the people you meet, right? You're going to meet people that
have other plans that you're going to jump on board with or

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you're going to get recommendations from people who
have literally just been there. So it's much better to just book
that first spot and then you'll just figure it out from there.
Yeah, booked a hostel, called Loud and we stayed there for a
week and that was longer than planned because we met some
great people, right? So there's loads of things I
probably wouldn't do now, but like I went to Coastal Rd., went
to take a ping pong show, went to an elephant sanctuary, which

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is not great. And so all the things you do in
the younger, but all of the goodexperiences to learn from.
Yeah. And good fun.
Well, well, tell me about some of these things that you
wouldn't do nowadays. Let's get into some story time.
Here, Yeah. You know, some stories from
Southeast Asia, maybe some things that people can expect or
might wanna might wanna try. OK, this is how green I was when
I heard a ping pong show. I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, I

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like, I like table tennis. I go and watch some of that.
I said, oh, why is this that 2:00 AM?
Oh, that's weird. Um, so after Kosann Rd. he went
to this ping pong show and it's like this shady St. you get
ushered into, into a door and like, oh, that's a bit weird.
But a big bar there, lots of like heavy guys in suits, like
bit strange walk in. There's about 10 of us here, I

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think. And then you quickly realize
that there's a stage and a lady will approach the stage and
she'll have some ping pong ballsand she'll start finding out
from all sorts of places on her body.
And I can't believe I've seen anything like darts coming out
my into balloons as I drawing pictures on the table with their
vagina, all this sort of stuff, right.
So I'm like, oh, wow, this is this is pretty, pretty hectic.

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But I think a lot of the group didn't realize what's going on
and we want to leave. And that got a bit ago actually,
like they got angry about that. We want to leave so early.
We brought maybe one drink. And so the guys in the group had
to sort of be like protect a little bit and got the women out
first. And then we sort of held down a
few tips and got out of there. But yeah, it was a bit strange
night. But obviously when you already

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did that, now it's a bit spit out there.
Oh, why wouldn't you do it now? What do you?
Mean. Why I never I never got the
chance. While I I shouldn't say I never
got the chance, I never made it to one of the ping pong shows.
We'll just say that that was actually.
OK. Part of a tour group at the time
and I guess it wasn't part of the.
IT Mary Yeah, yeah. Imagine she adventures put in

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your itinerary. I mean, I'm kind of surprised
this group didn't. I did late before work and we
did some pretty risky things, I guess you could say.
But yeah, I know I heard a lot about them.
Never got the chance. Cosan wrote, though, of course,
right. Iconic.
Tons, tons of parties down that road.
You know, during the day it's hectic because you're walking
down there and you're just getting harassed the whole time,

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right? Like bias or bias suit.
Buy this, buy that. Like I remember the one day I
was so hungover and I think it was near the end of my trip and
I was just done with this point and I just ended up like
unloading on this one Thai guy. Get out of my.
Face, like, I felt so bad after.I was like, dude, stop.
Like it was every like 3 seconds, right?
But then of course that night, yeah, it just turns into a big

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party. That's where you have like all
your great fun, all what was it,What's the fried scorpion and
all that, like you. Could try.
Oh yeah. Classic.
Yeah. To those, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just drinking the buckets
out in the street, man, that's agood time.
Good times. Yeah.
Yeah. I found that very quite
interesting actually, when you analyze it, because when you go
day and night, it does change, right?

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But night time does sort of turns into this dark bit of fun
where you, like, you have no idea what's around that corner.
You're going to sit there and have your bucket and you drink
these buckets and like, I don't know, got like little bottles of
whiskey or M115 and whatever smashing them back.
And before you know it, you're you're well gone.
So yeah, it's a it's a classic tie down thing, I think.
Yeah. Yeah.
You had some experience with that?

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Well, yeah, usually I had the two bucket special.
I could have two buckets and OK,it was good because, yeah, they
basically have, in Canadian terms, they have a Mickey
alcohol, they'd have a Red Bull,they'd have some mix in that
spray or whatever. And then I think like one or two
other ingredients and those things just sent to the moon.
So yeah, I said two of those andI'm good, but I can't go over

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because when I first got there Ithink I had three or four of the
one night and yeah, yeah, I had to be babysat so.
No more. I think the only time I had
three or four was in her in copeand I got lost and Co P is
really small and but I got lost on the way home.
I was like, oh, should that be lost?
And this British diver found me just on this beach.
She's like where you go? It's like I'm trying to get home

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to my hostel, but I've no idea where I am.
But I was completely out of it. Like he sort of just like got me
put his shoulder and coats me back a little bit.
But yeah, I I realized that point.
I can't have more than two. That's my limit and I think for
Cope it's good fun. But there's so much parties on
the beaches, right? You can get lost in there and he
needs to be a little bit careful, I think.

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That was where the full moon party was if I'm correct, right?
Go pee pee. That's coping, Yang.
Copen Yang Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Makes there's yeah. Hoes cold, cold towel.
Cope Coping, Yang. Yeah, yeah.
But uh yeah. Cocktails are classic.
Did you did you do the Full Moonparty?

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No, because we timed it really badly.
We um, we went to the F1 in Malaysia, so we had a choice
Full moon party or going to the Formula One.
So we we kind of chose for once,probably the right decision.
I think, you know, parties, a party, it's it's great
experience, but you can always go to Antimalaria Grand Prix and

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went to the after party. We got tickets.
So what happens is when when youfinished the Grand Prix, if you
go if you go by the main stand, those guys actually get VIP
access to the back, but they allget home.
So if you just ask for their ticket, you grab their ticket
and you get into this VIP and Guns and Roses were playing
there. So that's a pretty cool
experience. But I needed got crushed on the
way in. So that wasn't a a pleasant

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moment. Yeah.
D Gates, you know, individual gates as you queue up and people
pushed behind and people won't let us in at the front.
And you know, I'm a fairly big lad, I'm quite fat and stuff so
I've got to push people away. I'm getting crushed.
So it's quite a bad experience getting in, but once you're in
it's quite good fun. Alright, a bit of a cable rush
there then. Yeah, fair enough.
Well actually I'm kind of curious about the F1 event

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itself though. Like how was it?
Cause I'm an F1 fan now, right? Drive to Survive on Netflix
actually got me into the whole sport.
But I was always curious becauseobviously when you're watching
the race on TV, you get to see the whole race, whereas if you
actually attend the race, you'reseeing just one strip of the
track. So like, what was your
experience like? Like, was it a good time?
Yeah, no idea what's going on. Yeah, I OK, Yeah.

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If there's any F1 fans, yeah. Because unless you have a radio
and you got maybe the commentarygiving you updates, you might
know what's going on. But I've learned that you just
see the guys go round and round,you think they're in a position,
but you don't actually know. So it's a, it's a, it's a weird,
weird sport to watch live. And it's so loud.

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Like ridiculously loud. Not OK, OK, you're just there
for the atmosphere than anything, just to be with the
other people and just take in the whole the whole weekend, the
whole experience rather than. Yeah, I'm an F1 fan.
I'm, I'm, I'm an old school one.I like the old David Coulthard
and Mika Hakkinen back in the 2000s.
But, um, what's weird about thatrace is there was a
controversial moment, but we didn't know until after we got

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back. So yeah, it would be nice to
know that when we were there, but we didn't know so.
Yeah, You think they have like big screens up or something
where you could actually watch what was going on while you're
not visibly seeing it, but something to work on, I guess
for them. We'll send their recommendation.
And so for someone that wants totravel Southeast Asia, obviously
it's a very popular destination now, right?

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Tons of people going to Thailand, Bali, even Vietnam.
What would be a hidden gem for you?
Maybe a location or a country that people don't often speak of
that you went to and had a really good experience and.
OK, second time around I did it twice, the same loop.
Um, I went to Myanmar, which in a current day and age, I'm not

(26:24):
sure what is the latest agenda and the, and the local
population now it's a bit bit iffy.
Anyway, when I, when I went there, we on a whim, we winged
it for four days. We booked a flight AirAsia from
Bangkok return and we had the most unbelievable time.
This is like a throwback into really cheap prices, local food,

(26:45):
no tourists, no signs in Englishand just kind of going to hostel
speaking someone, hopefully someone knows something.
And we went to began, which is where there's a big area of
temples and for sunrise and sunset is absolutely incredible.
You get a little bike out, drivearound here and it's just a
serene area like that would be my big tip if you can get to

(27:05):
Myanmar. OK, so uh, I know I'm gonna
travel podcast host, but my geography is terrible.
Where is that? That is if you look at time
lands to the northwest in that corner.
OK, Yeah. So you got Chang Mai, you look
to the left and then there's like it's up there.
So quick flight and unbelievable.

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Like you'll be going back in time if you can travel.
But that's before the troubles now.
So I'm not sure what it's like. Fair enough.
And that, and that's the one thing I've noticed right, is
travel is very commonplace now in a lot of places that used to
be authentic are, are very touristy.
I, I notice that a lot in South America.
I thought I was going to have a certain experience and I mean,
sure, I probably should have gotten off the beaten path a

(27:49):
little bit more, but I didn't more just because of solo safety
concerns, all that stuff. But it was much more travel than
I expected, much more westernized too.
But before we get to South America, I want to touch on your
experience in Australia with thevisa, because that's what I'm
doing right now. So I'm just curious, what did

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you end up doing while you're here?
Like what were you doing for work?
Did you get to explore the wholecountry where you're just
staying in one city? OK.
So the first six weeks was East Coast, so that was Kens down to
Brisbane, Noosa, Brisbane and that was like a pre booked trip
because I was running out of money.
So what to lock that in? And I ran out of money by the

(28:31):
time I got to Brisbane and I metsomeone on East Coast who gave
me a number for a job. And I use the pay phone, you
know, just like back in the day,I use the pay phone.
To ring, don't age yourself too much.
Story in it, Yeah, she gave me ajob.
This person who I rang said, Oh yeah, come on, come in Monday,
you have a job, admin work in his office in Melbourne.

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So I flew down, stayed with a couple of people I met in Asia,
Southeast Asia, and I did like basic computer admin stuff, I
don't know, printing documents off, send them to lecturers and
they're like an education company.
So that was like 20, $627.00 an hour, which back in those days

(29:13):
was like the best I've ever beenpaid.
So I thought, OK, I'll take that.
Yep, that was six months and pretty much work apart from your
break for cricket of course. And then than the cricket.
Then flee to WA, to Margaret River, to the Great Picking to
get my extension for a second year.
Yep, they didn't get enough hours or enough days and I

(29:35):
didn't risk paying a farmer. So I did that for about 3 months
and I then got a job in the mines doing kitchen work and
which was paid about $2728.00 anhour.
But it's 12 hour shifts and I did 17 days on week off, 17 days
on. Yeah.
And that was tough, tough going in the kitchens.

(29:56):
You're cleaning your prepping food like 10 to 10 other day
shift and night shifts. And that was pretty hard work.
But that bailed me out because Igot no money from the grapes.
I did a bit of like driving tractors and stuff, but not much
work. So that got me my funds for
South America. So on, on the whole, yeah, a bit
of East Coast, bit of, um, in the middle cut more cities and

(30:21):
then living in Melbourne for city thing, and then living in
Margaret River, which is like this idyllic vineyard area with
a car. That's pretty cool.
So what was the farm work like? Like what were the conditions
like? And then I'm also curious about
the mining. Like I know you said it was
obviously hard being in the kitchen there, but that's
actually something I've considered getting into.
My my ideal would be to do firefighting out here.

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That's what I'm trying to do. Yeah.
There's a lot of red tape when it comes to certifications and
transferring getting over, but if that doesn't work out I kind
of do want to get in the mind. So also if you have any contact
let me know. Well, I can tell you how I got
there because they still exist. So I went to in Perth, I went to

(31:02):
Hayes Agency, he's a hater in Vancouver.
Think Hayes Agency at the time, this might need a bit more
research. They did the minds contracts and
they get the temps for all typesof jobs in the mining sector.
That could be kitchens, that could be doing maintenance,
whatever that they need, right reception.
So I went to there and you pay about $500 to get your

(31:25):
certificates and your qualifications.
You do some online courses, health and safety.
Once you do that and you're in the pool to work, you can get a
call next day to go and they payfor your flights there and back.
And of course your accommodationisn't there and you're free food
and you're going to do the work and you fly back out.
So a lot of people do that for two weeks on, one week off.

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And if you're looking for a quick way to earn a lot of
money, I think that's a good wayto go, especially in Australia
where they pay a lot of money. So that's how we did it with
Hayes. Hayes and Perth is the place to
go. And then for vineyard work, that
was sunrise because it's so hot.So you up at 4:30 starting at 5
picking types. I was bucket boys.

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I was collecting buckets, which is paid by the hour, not by the
grape. And then I was driving tractors
as well and putting some nettingon the vineyards.
That was a pay by the hour. But that would be early work.
You'd be doing like 5 till 12 orone and that'd be it.
And it all depends if the vineyard need the world works.
It's not guaranteed they'll let the agency know.
It's called Vine power and they will let you know if they've got

(32:28):
some work and you get called up to go and do it.
Well, I, I don't know how it wasback then.
I know now if you're working in the mines or even do something
like firefighting, it actually qualifies you for your second
year. I'm not sure if that's the case
when you were there. Yeah, I looked into this because
I was in the middle of nowhere, right?
I was in poor headlands, northwest Australia and at the
time I don't think it actually qualified for a second year,

(32:50):
which would be unfortunate. So I actually didn't get my days
and I never applied for it again.
A a big regret for me is not also applied for it because if
you, if you get investigated, then you know you're going to
get away with it. But if you win to lose $400.00,
you might as well risk the chance that you don't get
investigated. And they say, Yep, here's a
second year, right? And so I kind of wish I did
that, but there you go. All so they don't always, they

(33:12):
don't always check like they they can investigate to say like
see if you actually did it or they could just qualify and say
OK, sure, yeah, you did it move along.
Well, back in the day, one and four got checked.
So that was the. That's the odd start in your
favour, right? Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, no, those are good odds.
I'll take one of four. I'll yeah, But no, that's good
to know because yeah, like I said, if the firefighting

(33:32):
doesn't work out, I think mines would be preferable because I'd
rather just work like 6 months, make a ton of money.
And Oh yeah, yeah. For people listening, like I did
the same thing actually up in Canada, I worked well in gas as
well. And when you're working, you're
in camp, everything's provided accommodation, food, so you're
literally just banking everything you make.
But I'm curious, you were getting the one week off.
So what were you doing for your week off?
Like did you have an apartment somewhere where you just

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traveling for a week? What were you doing?
It's back to the hostel in Margaret River.
Sleeping pretty much mate, I wasdone in.
Yeah. Bad off, can't do manual jobs.
I still don't do it today. Like I'm just not built for it.
It took me a week to get acclimatized.
Like you're sweating all the time and you're getting used to
working those hours. But by the time I got back to

(34:15):
Margaret River and 17 days, I'm gonna sleep here for a week and
just chill out and go to the beach.
Um, yeah, some, some pizzas by the beach, maybe some vineyard
tours, but nothing too, too crazy because I had to go to
South America with a book to it and I needed the money.
So I was like, it's going to be cheap living to the Max.
Well, yeah, if you know the one bit of advice I'd have for the

(34:38):
vineyards, have a car. If you got a car, you get more
jobs because you can take peopleand you're more valuable.
Wow. OK, OK, OK.
Well, we're not sure about the car.
I do wanna do the van life thing.
I wanna buy a van out here for the coast.
That was one of my ideas after I'm done working.
But we'll see what happens with that.
I understand now. And again, this has all changed,
I'm sure since you been here about cars aren't cheap out
here. It's not like Canada where you

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can buy just a beer for like 2 grand.
It's like, I think the one girl was saying she was looking the
other day and it was like 6 or 7grand for a car or so.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I put mine for $400.00.
Yeah. See that's what I'm used to
though. You just buy.
This Yeah, yeah, yeah. A Honda Civic 1986 or something?
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. 400 bucks.

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Just abuse it. Yeah, yeah, I know.
No worries. Sold it for 400 as a as a win
win. That's a great deal.
Yeah. Yeah, you're.
Running on that one. Alright, fair enough.
Well, yeah, it's something I gotta look into.
I've, I've only been here a week.
I've only been in Sydney a week.I think too much stress on like
finding a job and all that. Like I have somebody to play
with. I need to just like, you know,

(35:41):
embrace being here and enjoy it for a little bit before I get
too serious. But uh yeah, yeah, I spent the
whole day yesterday trying to figure out the search.
I got my Australian drivers license, so that's a that's a
start. OHS.
Bonus. Yeah, yeah.
But to get the license to drive fire trucks, I gotta do actual
Rd. test. So I gotta do a road course.
So there's there's a whole bunchof stuff to look into, but no,

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no one cares about that. No one listening cares.
So we'll move on. No, but it's it's a great I love
it. It's a great plan, right?
You got a plan. Some people I met on East Coast
or yeah, even in Perth, I just don't really have a plan or an
idea, right. So if people have a rough plan,
it does help you out because it can get stressed or if you're
just looking like trying to finda job and there's nowhere to go
or no help or whatever, right. So yes, speak to as many people

(36:25):
as you can and you'll find someone who can help you out.
I think that's the. Voice yeah, well Hossam staying
and it's it's known for longer stays like people who are moving
on a visa trying to find a job. So there's like a job posting
board. Everyone I'm talking to is just
in limbo right now. They're like I'm just trying to
find work or I'm just waiting for my job to start.
So a lot of people a lot of people in the same boat.
But OK so after Australia, you then went to South America.

(36:49):
Now I just finished my trip through Central South America.
I did. Some.
Great Nicaragua down a Peru. Absolutely fell in love.
Fell in love with the terrain, with the culture, with the
women, all that fun stuff. Want to hear about your
experience? Like where did you go and get
some stories out of you from from South America?
Yeah, yeah, actually just quickly, I went to El Salvador

(37:11):
last year and that was an amazing trip in Central America.
That was incredible backpack there for two weeks.
But back in those days I went tothe World Cup in Rio de Janeiro.
Ohm. OK, so yeah, I met some friends
from home in Rio. Yes, I flew from Melbourne to
Hawaii for 2 1/2 weeks, had a little bit of a break, realised

(37:33):
Hawaii criminally expensive and then I just got out of there.
Yeah, I just spent. A week there, I think I spent at
least a grand. I didn't even look at my bank
account. Yeah.
He stuck do it. He's he's crack on.
Yeah, yeah. Go out there.
So I flew to a reddish Nero and had two and a half.
Three weeks go into the Americanare in Rio watching the games.

(37:56):
I saw Messi there score a goal. That's pretty cool.
And then I went to watch Englandand fail and get knocked out in
Sao Paulo and better Horizonte. These were the the cities I went
to and we were based in Copacabana.
That was a great 2 1/2 weeks. That was a a great vibe, Yeah.
They, they love the football, right?
So is that extra vibe there? Of course.
And you know, England's gonna flop, right?

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So I mean. Like, yeah, of course.
Yeah. Yeah.
So shit, yeah, let's let's talk about that.
The the, the best thing I did actually in Rio was for Bellator
to my daughter, for Bella. Yeah, so.
There's what the hecks after Bella.
No favela. Favela Favela.

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My bad, my bad I. These places were out outbounds
really until the World Cup and then OK, the police went in and
tried to control it, which actually caused more problems in
the end. But when the police were there,
you can sort of do like paid tours.
So we put this geezer who was from the favela we went to, but

(39:00):
he studied in UK and he took us on a tour for it and it's
incredible. Like you, you bet on edge like
you kind of heard about his places.
They're bit crazy. There's gun crime, drugs,
everything can imagine, right? But actually it's pretty cool.
He knew everyone took us through, got some corn on the
cob. We've got some some coffees on
the go. It's a real great experience to
learn about how those guys live.I thought that was a pretty cool

(39:21):
experience. So that was a unique one because
I thought it's mostly could be drinking because my friends just
wanna drink and watch football. But in the in the downtime
between, we did a few of these tours.
So that was great. And then?
Out of curiosity, how do they live?
Like? What was it like in the favelas,
if that's how you say it? Yeah, yeah.
They're like the at the time they were, they called them C

(39:42):
Class citizens. So they're not the upper Class A
class in Edema Beach, not them. They're not like the Copacabana
B class, which are probably morelike working middle class.
These are the porous, but then have risen a little bit up the
social scale. So they have an address, they
have a bank account and they canget jobs and they do have jobs
Um, whereas the class below themare just surviving on the

(40:04):
street, you know, like the homeless here in Vancouver,
those sort of people, right? So these guys.
Are becoming the new middle class, apparently.
So that was at that time. And they were just, yeah, just
living life. Like, they've got markets,
they're making money, they're playing football in the street.
Pretty safe, pretty cool. Yeah.
I would recommend it if someone wants to check it out.
It's one in Brazil. Yeah, it's what you don't see

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behind the scenes though, right?That's why I feel like
especially like if you're on a if you're on a tour, I feel like
you're gonna be safe, especiallyif the guy knows people.
And I feel like for the most part, they're not gonna mess
with the tourists, right? Because they know like if they
do anything to tourists, like they're they're done, right.
So yeah, I think if anything, it's just local, local, you
know, bad news bears happening over there, but yeah, it's.

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And that's how I felt a lot of the time.
And Central South America, yeah,my experience, I actually felt
so safe, which was kind of strange for me.
But I felt like, you know what, there's probably a lot happening
behind the scenes that I have noidea about, right?
And she's what I'm seeing in front of me.
And yeah, I always felt safe. Yeah, I think I felt safe in
most countries in South America.I think the place I didn't feel

(41:09):
totally at ease was Bolivia, butI did love it.
But I thought I need to be. It's about me here.
So yes, I went to Iguazu Falls on the border with Argentina,
across the border, did that and went up to Salter N Argentina.
Hmm. And then across to the Atacama
Desert in Chile. And that was a pretty cool
experience. Then the salt flats and the ice

(41:31):
Hotel and all that sort of stuff.
And then went to Bolivia for 3 1/2 weeks and that's my main
partner trip. And that was kind of like
winging it a little bit. The death row thing that the
silver mine tour in Potosi, thatwas crazy.
Like we went to Potosi, one of the highest cities in the world.

(41:51):
But the silver mine tour, I had no idea what to expect.
And if you're claustrophobic, this is not for you.
You got a helmet and A and a light, and you're climbing up
ladders in the dark and you hearexplosions in the mine.
You go to the market to buy dynamite and children's books
for the miners, and you give them to the miners to their
mine. Dynamite and children's books,
that's that's a combination. Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. Coco leaves as well.
Oh my gosh, all the other Coco leaves.
I like the cocoli. It's yeah, those.
Are yeah, yeah, that's an interesting 3 combo in it.
Yeah, that's what they want. Very interesting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're not. You only give me one of those,
the kids, hopefully. Yeah, Coco leaves here.

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I think that was a lightning experience.
That was a proper wow minute, like a working mind.
It's been over 500 years and yeah, strange things you see.
You just see like young boys, like Walk from the Dark and
they're just like working in themine, like 12/13/14 years old.
Yeah, so did that tour and then the death row thing was
interesting. Had some did death.

(42:55):
Road, No. So here's The thing is, Bolivia
was gonna be my last stop in South America.
Yeah, but I was starting to run out of money and they were
having a bit of issues with Rd. blockages, and they had an
election coming up, so there's abit of turmoil.
Classic. Exactly.
So we ended up bailing on it. We didn't go, but that was
supposed to be my last stop. OK so death Rd. was an

(43:18):
interesting experience. I told the story and I cringe
because it sounds like didn't happen, but I went with my
friend and he um, got kicked up in the bike like me.
You kind of go into three groups.
You get the crazy bikers at the front here, like mountain bike
guys. They just bite down and go crazy
and you start at the top and work your way down along the
edge of a Cliff. And I was in the middle, like

(43:39):
not scared, but not like crazy. And then my friend was kind of
bit behind and his brakes didn'twork going down the hill and he
said that he had to crash into the guy in front because he's
going off the Cliff. So we got to a stopping point
and they told us to stop like, oh, why is that?
It goes, it's been an incident. So wait and wait and wait.

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And my friend turned up. He's got like cuts all over his
arms and his face was like, what's going on?
He goes, mate, I break my brakeswent is that right?
He goes, I had a choice. Do I crash into the guy next to
me and into the wall and save me?
Or do I sort of hope to try and turn it around the edge of the
Cliff and not go off it? I was like, oh bloody hell,

(44:22):
because I chose the guy. So he crashed into this guy.
This guy was not happy. Yeah, but we're trying to
explain to him that he had no choice because we didn't do
that. He was off the Cliff.
Yeah, they they fetched, they fetched his bike from the edge
of the Cliff and they, they fixed up and gave it back to
him. So he's like, I'm just gonna,
I'm gonna trail down this trail like as slow as I can.

(44:42):
And then? Yeah, no, I'm not getting back
on that bike. Are you kidding me?
The brakes give out and then they they they fix it.
Hold on. Quote.
I know that. Yeah.
No, no, no. Little duck tape.
That ain't gonna do it. No, that was an interesting
experience. Yeah.
So that was the highlight of Bolivia think for me.
Yes, they went to was like, I'm a bit of an adrenaline like

(45:03):
junkie, right? And so like doing the death row
would be so fun, but I'm worriedthat I get a little too carried
away and like have too much yeah, trust on the brakes
because I'd be thinking, oh, I'min Canada, The brakes are gonna
work. It's all good.
It's a new bike. But meanwhile it's like probably
a piece of shit and like the brakes are barely hanging on and
I'm going to go around the corner and just be like, oh,
yeah, no problem. And then all of a sudden all I
got no brakes. I gotta do like the Mission
Hospital bailout on the bike. Yeah, that's why he had.

(45:26):
Yeah, exactly that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think in hindsight, I'll just book with a really good company.
I wouldn't risk it. Make sure they got proper
mountain bikes and not crappy ones that we used.
Yeah. Well, in Bolivia, so cheap,
right? Like you don't have to do the
cheap rail when you're there. Like I heard this, like you can
go with like a better company oryou can go with like a nicer
restaurant because it's still cheap.
And actually if you go with the cheapest option, right, like

(45:47):
especially food wise, you're probably getting food poisoning.
So you might as well just get the good option.
It's still like, what about two bucks a meal?
Yeah, exactly. And the fruits, horrendous there
in delivery as well. That's pretty shit.
Yeah. OK, Yeah, we went.
We went to have you heard of thethe Route 36 bar?
Have you heard of this? I don't think I have, no.

(46:09):
OK. And if you go to Bolivia and go
to La Paz, yeah, which is like the the facto capital is not the
proper capital, but most people go there.
If you type into Google Route 36, I'd be keen to see what
comes up. But this is and all you can
sniff cocaine bar. So what happens is they change
locations every two months and really get caught.

(46:33):
You speak to your taxi driving, you say you wanna go there.
And I'll just acted really, really shifty.
Is that OK? Just getting that OK.
And then he just took us to thislike, garage door, pulled up and
went in and it's a nice trendy bar.
It's like a jazz bar. There's nice music.
The drinks are pretty cheap. And then he's got his guys
walking around giving you how much ever you want and you pay
them on the spot in cash and everyone doing on the tables.

(46:55):
So that was a one night experience that I didn't think
I'd have. Um, I'm, I'm actually surprised
I haven't heard about this, but we're gonna leave people with a
little cliffhanger here because our free meeting is gonna end
actually in about 60 seconds. So we're going to continue this
story in a moment here. The room.
If you're listening to this and want to sponsor the podcast,
that'd be great so I don't have to keep interrupting these
interviews. But yeah, we'll see in a few

(47:18):
minutes here. Yeah, check that in Google,
Yeah. Exactly.
Alright, so thanks to all our sponsors there during our little
TV timeout. Just kidding, I don't actually
have any. So we were just talking about
that bar, though. What was it called again?
Route 30. 6. Route 36, Yeah, I actually

(47:40):
googled it cause I'm like, this is 10 years ago and I need to
make over 10 years ago. I need to make sure this thing
exists. So I googled it and it's there.
At the top Wikipedia, there's a stylus thing.
It says the world's first cocaine bar by the Guardian,
like all those things. So yeah, it's still there.
Right. Well, I did hear and I this is
probably the bar I heard about, but I heard people telling me
that being a Bolivia, that there's a bar where if you order

(48:02):
a beer, you get a line of Coke. So it could be it could be that
it. Could be OK.
One who knows? Yeah, could be the same one,
yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Maybe. Maybe they reduced it a little
bit. You know, like we're like, OK,
we gotta like, chill out a little bit, but yeah, if you buy
a beer, we'll give you a line noproblem.
Like. I think we bought 1 drink and
then just did the rest of the night just doing the coke.

(48:22):
So I think, yeah, I think 1 beergets you away.
But it's so cheap, used by loadsof beers.
But what was really what's weirdis we we got boozed up the the
few hours before. So when we're going to this
place at 4:00 AM, we're like, Oh, well, now it's a different
phase. Done the done the booze stuff.
Now we're doing this phase and we're up to like 11 AM.
So. Well, yeah, type 2 phases of the

(48:43):
nights, right? Yeah, yeah.
It's just a yeah interesting night.
Sounds hilarious. Sounds familiar?
Yeah. Any other takeaways from
Bolivia, like any other stories or cool experiences he had?
Obviously there's a salt flats too, right?
That's a big reason I wanted to go there.
But. Yeah, that was the border cross.
I don't at all from Chile acrossto Bolivia via the salt flats.

(49:07):
That's like a crossing the border salt flat tour.
That was great. That's unbelievable, incredible
scenes. And we went in dry season.
So not the mirror image, but thethe far as the eye can see.
That sort of image is great. Yeah.
So we did that. Incredible.
And then from Bolivia, I think we did Sucker, which is like the
official capital. That's very quiet, quaint, nice.

(49:28):
Nothing much going on there. But La Paz was was the crazy
place. And then obviously Potosi was
too high up. Like you can't breathe, you
can't sleep that well. It's just too fine in terms of
altitude, right? So yeah, yeah, we, we got back
down and went to Lake Titicaca, which was the border of Peru.
And we did that, but got the shits and the boat.
So I was like, oh, I'm so ill. Yeah.

(49:51):
Yeah, it wasn't great, wasn't great time.
Yeah, I've, I've had that. Actually that was my first three
weeks in Nicaragua. I did not strike insult until
Costa Rica and I'm convinced nowit's because they every hostile
said they had filtered water. But when I actually thought
about it, and because at the time I wasn't paying attention,
I was drinking so much, I was just like in a different world.
But I, I look back at it, I was like, I'm pretty sure it was

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just like a big bottle of water upside down into this little
funnel. There was no filter system
whatsoever, so. Was a killer.
I had that in India and I was like sick for four days.
That's grim. Yeah, water is a killer.
Don't play with that. No, no, no.
Don't mess with that. Yeah, Bolivia.
Did you go to the Amazon at all?I did not.

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That's the big regret. So that's on my list to go back
to, to go to Santa Cruz in the east or Cochabamba, one of those
two. And yeah, do that.
That's the next one on the hit list.
Because we were looking at doingthe Amazon, I think it was an
Ecuador, but the only kind of tours they offered were more
like your couple romantic tours where you go to like this resort
and you're in the Amazon and youdo like bird watching and me and

(50:57):
my buddy are looking your job. Like don't get me wrong, like I
like you and all, but like I don't like you.
Yeah. Yeah, we figured we'd save that
for Bolivia cause I'd be more oflike an adventure tour.
So again, one of the things I didn't get to do off the go back
at some point. Yeah, we had a bit of a hard
stop really because we had to goand do the Inca Trail, which we
booked ahead ahead of time. Yep.

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So I'm not sure if you can win that these days, but me back
then we booked in the January 4th of July.
So we had like, yeah, 2 1/2 three months to get to to Cusco
to do that yeah tour, right? So yeah, we gotta move on.
Generate a July you can still doyou definitely can do like spur

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the moment anymore because it does look up.
I think we booked our Inca trailtwo months in advance and.
OK. But I would talk to a lot of
people and they'd say like, oh, you just did it like I'm going
there next week, Like I was looking at booking a booking a
tour or whatever. And I'm like, you have no
chance. Like no, you cannot do it that
late. You can do the one day.
So a lot of people, right, they just do the one day tour.
They just get a bus there, walk up, take their pictures for

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Instagram. Like I feel like you got to do
with the proper way. You gotta earn it, right?
You gotta do the four day exactly.
Being out there up early mornings, hiking 20 kilometers,
that's, that's what makes it worth it, no?
I totally agree. And the upside of that is you
get to get to the gates early doors before they get open to
the day tourists. I think you get in about 6,
don't you? I think.
And then you'll get your photo opportunity with no one in it.

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So that's the that's the golden,I guess.
Like the prize at the end where you, you, you do work your ass
off for four days to get in there.
I mean, that day too is tough init.
Fucking hell. That, that, that was the hardest
day, that that was a long day. The worst part is I didn't take
a shit until the last day. So I was about that too, because
although all the washrooms were just a hole in the floor.

(52:45):
And I remember the like, I thinkit was day 2.
I went to go use and I was like,wait a second, what is this?
And so like, I tried to squad didn't work.
I tried taking my pants off and just standing there.
It wasn't working. So that was that was that was
bawling the whole time. But no, I remember getting to
Sungate. Yeah, 6:30 in the morning for us
and as me and my two friends, they'd come to visit from Canada
and we ended up bringing the Summit beer.

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So it's 6:30 in the morning and we got it.
Video of us in front of Machu Picchu just crushing a beers is
a good memory, yeah. Unbelievable.
I love the the view of that, butthe train after you get the
train back to Cusco at that. Slow train.
Yeah, Yeah. Just sitting there like
reflecting was quite a nice little train ride back to Cusco.
That was quite a nice moment as well.
Definitely, definitely. How was your, I'm assuming you

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did it with a group? How was your group?
Because we actually ended up having a really good group.
So that train ride was even thatmuch more fun because we're
sitting there reflecting and then we're also having some
beers and celebrating. And then I remember like we took
the bus ride back to Cusco and it turned into like a impromptu
karaoke session and we just stopped.
Hears every like 30 minutes is such a good time.

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Yeah, great group. I've been with SAS Travel, I
think they're called, in Cusco. And the group was a mix.
It was like an old doctor. There was a young couple,
there's a youngster who just turned 18 from America, so a
full mix of people. But everyone got on.
And I had this weird crush on your Australian lady, actually,
but she's with her husband there.
Bit strange. My friend who was with me, he

(54:10):
said that whole four days was a weird watch.
I wouldn't really. Yeah.
Yeah, it goes. You're sort of like trying to
crack onto a little bit, but herhusband is literally right
there. I was like, well, yeah, maybe I
didn't really. I didn't realize I was that
intense about it. But yeah, yeah.
Cool group. Yeah, it's good, good fun.
You never know. You never realize what you're

(54:31):
doing until your friends call you out for it.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, OK.
Fair enough. But yeah, loved it as a top
notch experience, yeah. Well, I definitely recommend.
We did it with a group called Tray Experience, and it was a
really good, really well known experience too.
The guides are great. The porters are awesome.
And it's quite, you know, quite buggy.
They lay it all out for you. They carry all your stuff.

(54:53):
You're getting three warm meals a day.
I mean, yeah. The food was great, wasn't it?
I remember. Oh, it's fine.
I was not. Expecting what we got, like
we're talking like four or five different like dishes, like,
like way more food than I can eat.
Like yeah, I was not expecting that.
I was kind of worried about, oh,I'm not gonna get like enough
food to do this whole trick, butthe food is incredible.
That the chef was amazing. Yeah, yeah.

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It really was like a top toll experience if you can do it.
And yeah, do the high. Like don't do the day trip.
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I, I see people post now and I can tell the ones that do the
day trip because of their outfits.
I'm like you did not hike. I.
Can, yeah. You can tell the hikers because
they haven't showered for four days.
Yeah, they're looking a little scruffy, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, quite an experience. Why?
I feel like I could talk to you about South America all day, but
we're going to go move forward alittle bit here.
Maybe we can have you on again in the future and we can just
just talk about that. But something I'm interested in,
because this is something I'm gonna work towards eventually as
well, is how have you managed tonot work quotation Marks and
keep traveling? Because I noticed that was on
your profile. Yeah, that's just saving money

(55:59):
in my jobs and not spend anything for like a year or two,
then going away. I did a, we did a year trip in
2023 and that was after COVID, but my mindset was still 10
years before, way more expensivethan I thought was going to be
going to cut short maybe a monthin.
But yeah, I just kind of used tosave up, quit and go and do the

(56:21):
whole cycle again. But I think I'm over that a
little bit now. I think I'm trying to get my
freelance stuff with the YouTubeand the podcast and the go to.
At least if I go again for a period of time, I have an income
coming in, not just no income and the savings get decimated,
right? So.
I like that, I like that and that's what I gotta work towards
too, because what happened to meis I same thing I worked for a
couple of years, had the savings, went to South America

(56:43):
and the whole plan was to have 10 grand in the bank when it
came to Australia. While I.
Was in same as me. Yeah, chance.
I'm in, I'm in Peru and I literally have $200 in my
account and I'm like ah shit. So I had to fly back to Canada
and I had a car. I saw the car that my friend was
using and I ended up selling it just so I had had money to get

(57:05):
to Australia. Wow, wow.
I remember in Australia I was like living off the credit card
that I had, like decimating thatI ran out of actual money, I
think by Brisbane. So I was hanging on for a week
or two until that first pay packet come in.
But yeah, then finally recovered.
Australia is the best place in the world to recover from a from
a decimation in your savings, right?
You can get some casual work paid quite well, so there's not

(57:29):
too much of a thing. The wage is quite high out here.
Yeah. Because I mean, I met a couple
fellas actually in Hawaii of allplaces.
We are rooming together and ended up on the same flight back
to Sydney, which is crazy. And they've been in Sydney for
two years of bartenders and their managers now at the bar.
And they said if you want a job,no problem.
I think I want to say they're making like 3234 an hour or

(57:50):
something like that, which is more than what I was making
firefighting back in Canada, just to give you like
perspective, right? Like it's, it's insane.
So the way it is, the way higherhere.
And like, if I do the firefight note here, like, it's, you know,
even more than that. So, yeah, it's a good place to
settle down for a year or two, make your money and then and
then keep going. And that was my whole intention
as come here, build up the bank account and then go to Japan,

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Southeast Asia, Africa. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I did the same for New Zealand as well.
So when I did the two year trip and went back to UK for a year,
went well, went back to Southeast Asia and then did New
Zealand work visa and done the same thing.
Same cycle and the pay is not quite as good as as Australia
but not too bad. It's doable.
Was it just as easy to get your visa for New Zealand?

(58:35):
Yeah, yeah, same thing. Yeah, the.
Only the only issue I'm having though, which I'm kind of just
realizing talking to you is thiswas my last year to get my visa
in Australia because I just turned 35.
So I feel like I'm not be able to get New Zealand now, which
actually kind of sucks. Well, yeah, I'll say 6.
That's all this is. All this is over.

(58:58):
Yeah, Hang on a minute. You could.
Could you not still apply for itnow?
And then when you get to the endof your Australian one and you
can kick off your New Zealand one, you can flip between the
two and still have like your year there.
You flip over to New Zealand or at least activate it and then

(59:18):
cause New Zealand to get 2 years, right.
But you can only work a year of it.
That's what that's what it was when I was there.
I haven't even looked into it because I gotta be honest and
this sounds bad. I keep forgetting about New
Zealand and I keep getting reminded that it's right there
and I need to go. So it's so good now, I think, I
think you get 2 years, Yeah, youget 2 years, but you can only
work 12 months or 23 months. So what you could do?

(59:40):
You could just get it, activatesit and there's no pressure to
work because you can't work the full 2 years anyway.
So that could be an option. OK, that's actually, that's a
great piece of information. I'm gonna write that down right
now because yeah, that's a good call.
I I keep forgetting. So I'll apply for Visa New
Zealand because yeah, that wouldbe that would be great.
Alright, let's move forward here.
So I know this was on your, on your pod match profile here.

(01:00:04):
So last questions, two favorite countries and I'm going to do 1
hidden gem. OK, it's a two in a hidden gem.
Hmm. OK, the hidden gem is El
Salvador for sure. OK, yeah, that's a good one.
It's now on the cards as I travel.
I'm actually gonna maybe lead a tour next year, late next year.

(01:00:25):
I'm doesn't talks now we're trying to take a tour group over
there. But I went there for two weeks
solo backpacking and on the transport, on the local
transport buses and local hotelsand stuff.
Unbelievable time, great value, volcanoes everywhere, everything
is normal. In terms of what I consider
pricing, like your coffees are reasonable, your accommodation

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is not like crazy, crazy other places and the experiences are
never booked up. So you can do anything.
You can do free walking tours, you can camp overnight on a
volcano, you can go and do some Civil War tour stuff, which I
did, which is incredible. And free walking tours, the
great as well. A great way to sell into the
country. And it's quite small, so you can
see a lot in two weeks, for example.

(01:01:07):
So that's the hidden gem. And I've got some YouTube and
podcast stuff about that people want to know more.
Two favorite countries outside of that, I'm going to have to go
for Ah and the pool. Been there twice and that's
that's a favorite and always would go back and I'm going to
go for Japan. Oh, OK, alright, alright, that's

(01:01:34):
where I'm going next. Yep.
Ah, absolutely incredible. Yeah, and why?
Why Japan? Why Japan?
Give me, give me some reasons here.
Sell me on if you're if you're atour agent, why am I going to
Japan? You like craziness, but you
don't like the admin that comes to craziness.
But it's like organized craziness.
And Japan's a perfect place because you cannot understand

(01:01:56):
how this thing works. But all the trains are on time,
everything is a set price. There's no bartering, everyone's
nice, but everything is doable. You can do anything there says
this combination like Nepal is crazy, India crazy, but the
admin is a nightmare. So you got a bit of patience, a
bit of time. But in Japan, the craziness is
still there, but the admin is iseasy.

(01:02:17):
There's nothing to hide here. It's like that combination,
which is quite rare. So I just find the Shinkansen
bullet train system incredible. Get your ticket, go for three
weeks around 500 K an hour it goes and just go and see all the
countries absolutely incredible and just get lost like don't
even worry about Google Maps. Let's get to city gets get to
Tokyo and just walk and go and see the place.

(01:02:39):
You'll see something crazy probably every corner.
So yeah, Japan's a favorite. Organized chaos.
Well, and that's a good point too.
Like so many people rely on their phones now, right?
Like it's almost a hindrance, right?
Because we're always using the Google Maps.
We're just going straight to ourdestination and we're missing
the whole point. The whole point is to go explore
and see the unknown and get lost.
Like example stress. Oh my gosh, I'm lost now I'm

(01:02:59):
going like help. And it's like, no, no, that
you're supposed to you're supposed to get lost.
You're supposed to not know where you are.
That's that's the whole point and that's when you get the best
experiences. Yeah, and if you get lost at the
end of the day, just get back onyour phone and order an Uber.
I mean, that's all it is, a train in Japan anywhere.
So there's a vending machine if you if you need some food, like
if you somehow not got any food,like there's always options in

(01:03:22):
Japan. So you'll love it and I'll be
keen to see how you get on and follow your travels there for
sure. Yeah, well, I'll have some help
because I have two groups of friends going actually have the
same time. So I have a group of friends
going and about or yeah, end of October, beginning of November,
and then another group going in November.
So I'm hoping I can overlap the two groups.
But what? What?
What's your top story from Japanto curiosity just put you on the

(01:03:45):
spot. Top story, yeah.
Or favorite memory? Favorite memory I we did climb
Mount Fuji. OK, Yeah, that would be.
Good one on the last day of the hiking season.
I wouldn't recommend that. Oh no.
Absolutely pissed it down. We were soaked and what happens

(01:04:06):
is at any other time of the yearin that hike, they've got like
ramen stops, there's nice commendation, it's all quite
nice. But on the last day of the
hiking season, they're getting ready to pack up so they don't
care about you. They chucked their stuff and bin
bags that's dripping over us as we slept in these like huge bump
bags that had like 10-12 people on a on one bunk.
It was just a bit of a interesting experience, but the

(01:04:28):
top was incredible. It was a pretty cool vibe and a
cool view, but up and down was just pissing down rain.
So that was quite an interestingexperience because I wouldn't
recommend working on the last day that I can season, but yeah,
it's a cool thing to do. Yeah.
So it's a, it's a classic, iconic thing to go and see.
Is it just a one day hike? Yeah, one day, one night, um,

(01:04:52):
you can pick your station that you stay at.
So we stayed at the last station.
So the next morning is only a 45minute walk up to the top.
Um, yeah, pretty easy. OK.
Yeah, it's easy in terms of being hiking, which I'm not very
good at, so yeah. Well, I'm sure, I'm sure you've
done a ton, right, with all the volcanoes and being in South

(01:05:12):
America and all that. So I'm sure you have some
experience at least. Yeah, Yep.
Nope. Sounds good.
Alright. So yeah, that's the two
favorites. That's the one hitting gym,
least favorite country and why? And maybe a story to go with it.
I'm going to say place because II can't label the whole country
places Bali. Bali.

(01:05:33):
OK, yeah, it's the worst place I've been to.
Yeah, 100% just a shithole. No, I shouldn't say that.
It's just. I just don't like my.
Daddy, I really feel whole. That's a bit harsh.
I we went there with good intentions to go and see the
place, but we just end up partying and getting in trouble

(01:05:54):
because it's quite, it's full ofAustrians in it.
It's some youngsters gonna get pissed up and cuter.
Where we stayed for a week is a dive.
I wouldn't say in cure. I think we maybe stayed in the
wrong part of the country, but we just didn't have a great
time. We got ill nights out, we got
lost. I think my friend got spiked as
well. It just wasn't a nice time to

(01:06:16):
being cuter for we got harassed all the time on the beach.
Just didn't like it. So that's the one place I don't
rave about. I, I was wondering about body
because obviously now in Australia, right, it's going to
be a cheap flights getting up Southeast Asia should check out
some of the spots like the Thailand, the Philippines,
Vietnam. But I wondered about Bali
because there is so much trafficthere now.

(01:06:36):
And there there seems to be a bit of a local consensus that
they're starting to get a littletired of it.
Like, alright, we gotta like limit how many of these guys
were letting in here because like you said, there's a ton of
Australians. I even saw a post and now this
could be totally made-up, but they were actually debating
putting on a tax, a daily tax for Australians just because of
the sheer amount that we're overthere, especially the expats,
right? The ones that aren't and the

(01:06:57):
ones that go there to make a home.
And I kind of wondered because Ifeel like the country itself
could be beautiful, but because of the amount of foreigners and
tourists already there, it just wouldn't be that good unique
experience. You're better off going to the
the Philippines or Vietnam. Cambodia allows whatever.
Yeah, or other islands in Indonesia, there's loads,
there's like 600 isn't as inhabitants.
So there's plenty of options. Go next door to Lombok.

(01:07:20):
I'm sure that's much nicer. Yeah, for for Bali.
The the interesting thing, I do remember all the stuff I saw,
you know, we think our friend got spiked and my friend got
lost and all that sort of stuff.I did give my iPad in to this
guy in the street because I needed some music.
So this is back in the day whereyou gave your iPad in and they
illegally added music to it or TV shows or films, right?

(01:07:42):
You pay some geezer and you think he says, I'll come back
next morning, like, oh, well, I'll risk it.
And I was like, I'm never going to iPad back when I gave it in.
And next day that this place wasbarricaded up with a garage
door, I was like, oh, it's gone.So I started banging on his
door, like trying to shout and get my stuff back.
And he opened up and gave it back to me.
So that was a result. I didn't expect it before I lost

(01:08:04):
my iPad. But yeah, that's the one thing I
do remember at the end of the trip.
But yeah, my friend got here andas well, and you had to go back
early and stuff. So yeah, it's not a great time.
Well, it's interesting when you talk to people because their
experiences are based off personal experience and the
people they meet. So it's not always necessarily
the country or the place they'rein.
It's just not what happened while they were there.

(01:08:26):
So exactly if you get sick, if you get injured, if you meet bad
people, that's obviously going to factor into your, your
experience, right? Whereas if you go somewhere and
you meet some amazing people andmaybe the love of your life or
you have this amazing genuine experience, like that's
obviously you can alter your perception, right?
So you know, something one person could go to Bali and be
like, yeah, this is this is awful.

(01:08:46):
Like, let's get out of here and someone else might go there and
be like, I love it here, right? But but yeah, it's curious that
you said that because I was actually a little skeptical
about Bali. I wanna go back to Thailand and
obviously to see the rest but barley wasn't super high on the
list. Because probably just to finish
on Bali is that weird community now with digital nomads in it.
So that's when I was there, but that was a thing up and coming

(01:09:08):
thing. But now this is like this huge
westernized communities that don't even integrate with
locals. They're just there as digital
nomad. I'm like, oh, is that actually
contributing to anything locally?
I don't think it is. So there's other five there now,
which I'm not sure about. So yeah, that's the extra thing
for Barney. Well, I'm sure that'll be a
debate moving forward for a lot of countries, right, that we're
starting to see more of these expats.

(01:09:29):
And it's like, well, how do we make it so that they're living
here, but they're also contributing, not just basically
setting up their own community, but like, not getting involved
locally. Absolutely.
Yeah, 100%. We're getting near the end here
and I want to take too much of your time.
Obviously it's what the heck is it Friday night for you?
Oh yeah, Friday night you gotta,you gotta be getting ready to go

(01:09:50):
down in Vancouver there. Go see.
This long weekend, it's Labour Day, isn't it?
Oh yeah, we don't have that in Australia, but.
They did not, No. Yeah.
That's the long weekend too. Holy smokes.
Alright, well. There's no rush last.
Time. Fair enough, fair enough.
Well, my next question was whereis next for you?
What do you, what do you have onthe list?

(01:10:10):
Where do you want to go? I've got Butan booked in for
December. So Butan, for people who are
listening, is northern Myanmar. Actually it's just, it's on the
Chinese border borders, India tothe east, like Far East.
And it's in that middle bit where Tibet is like kind of

(01:10:31):
bordering it to the north. And for that you need to book a
tour and you can't get away withit.
You have to book a tour and pay a daily fee.
Some trying to negotiate exchange of no daily fee for
some content I'm in those conversations with over e-mail.
But you do stuff for good tour or guide either or.
So that's in December and beforethat would be Brisbane to watch

(01:10:53):
the cricket in Australia and Bangkok for a weekend.
And then that's in December, I think before that in three
weeks, back to Europe for a couple of weeks, I'll go to
Czech Republic, Oktoberfest and then back home to UK.
Oktoberfest. Wow, you're doing alright.
You got some fun trips lined up.Yeah, yeah, it's not too bad.

(01:11:13):
Yeah. Have you ever done Oktoberfest?
Yeah, 10 years ago. Yeah, and you all.
Oh my gosh. OK, so every 10.
Years. That was, that was the last,
last, last thing on my trip. Yeah, two year trip.
We talked about the start. The very, very end of it was
Oktoberfest. That's like it.
That's my last hurrah. Yeah, that's a good way.
That's a good way to cap her. That's a good hand it.

(01:11:34):
Yeah, definitely 210. OK, OK.
Very, very. Why did you pick Butat out of
curiosity? Like it's very specific.
Because it's been #1 on the listfor ages.
I interviewed someone who's fromtheir travel agency and it's
supposed to be the happiest country in the world and all
this sort of stuff. Also also, it's expensive.
And it's like, oh, if I'm going to go fully freelance in the

(01:11:56):
future, I'm not fully there yet.I'm almost there.
I won't want to spend that much money.
So I'm going now whilst I've gota bit of income.
So it's, it's now and ever. So I'm going for 10 days.
Yeah, yeah, I know. Do it while you can.
Absolutely. Well, that'll be a cool trip.
Looking forward to hearing aboutit.
And yeah, if you're coming to Brisbane, let me know.
We can, we can definitely meet up and maybe even do another
interview in person. That would be fun.

(01:12:17):
That'd be amazing. I'm there on the 27th of
November for about 10 days. OK, I I should be around.
We'll see what I'm doing by that.
So your message, yeah, yeah. See if I have a job or if I'm
squatting somewhere but. In the mines, yeah.
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, yeah, no, all is well
there. OK, well, perfect.

(01:12:38):
I mean, like I said, I feel likeI could pick your brain for for
years here on all your different, all your different
stories in the South Americans and all that.
But like I said, I really do appreciate your time.
And at this point, I'm going to leave the floor open for you if
you want to let people know where to find you, where to find
the podcast, all that fun stuff,platforms.
Years cheers. It's been a great chat.
I've loved it yes, so I do the winging it travel podcast.

(01:13:01):
It's on all the apps and YouTubeactually as well now for
interviews and which is a mix ofidea immersive episodes.
So like I collect sounds and make cinematic and I do
conversations like this alongside it and a a few solo
episodes from my travels. So that's every Monday and I do
a YouTube channel. It's called roaming with ammo.

(01:13:22):
Last name is Hammond Hamo and that's yeah, just mostly every
week, sometimes every two weeks depends how much time I have to
edit and that's more raw vlogging type stuff for my
travels. Not as curated as the podcast.
So that's a bit more rural. That's on YouTube and if
anyone's interested are producedanother podcast called taking a

(01:13:43):
career break that's about peoplewho have jobs but may want to
take us about or career break. That's also on Apple podcasts
and Spotify. It's called taking a career
break with Katrina McGee. And yeah, social media is a wing
Travel podcast and website as well.
Awesome. And I'll list all that info in
in the show notes once I do postthis episode.
But yeah, you're dabbling in a bit of everything there.

(01:14:06):
You got the YouTube, the podcast, all out.
I love that. I've got to.
I still gotta figure out what I'm doing because I have the
podcast and I enjoy doing it. It's like people have told me do
the YouTube, like do the daily vlogs.
I'm like, yeah, I don't know though, because that's seems
like a lot, you know what I mean?
Like maybe do one once in a while but.
That's a lot of work here. I think they daily is intense.

(01:14:26):
And maybe if you get to a point where you monetise, maybe.
But yeah, if there's one thing Iwould tell myself back in 2012,
1013 and start YouTube, right? Cause that's the day.
And so I started it two years ago.
So I'm a bit late to the game, but I've just monetized last
week. So it's been a two year journey.
Yeah. So it's kind of got there.

(01:14:46):
Yeah. So that's a, that's a good
journey to do. But if people wanna message me
about how to start up, they can message me or e-mail me as well.
I'll be willing to answer any questions.
And for the podcast, I'm part ofa network.
So if you want travel podcast specifically, you can go to
voiceescape.com. And my network has about 10
travel podcasts in various different subjects and different

(01:15:07):
types. So that's worth checking out as.
Well, how the heck do I get intothat?
Come on now. I'll put I'll put in a good
word. Yeah, perfect, perfect.
I had a Canadian, yeah, the guy owns it.
Is is Canadian, so yeah. There you go.
Yeah, he loves it. Yeah.
Ah, that would be working. No, that that's really cool.
Yeah, no, it's exciting to hear.And I see that you're doing 180

(01:15:28):
episodes too. Is is really impressive.
That's that's awesome. You've been doing it that long
and that consistently. And then with the YouTube too
getting monetized, that's that'sexciting.
So things are things are lookinggood for the future.
Just takes time and consistency is always yeah, yeah.
For me, it's the consistency. That's that's where I struggle.
I struggle a lot with that but. Because your content, your

(01:15:49):
content will be good enough. I 100% believe that.
So that's an easy thing You've ticked off.
You do it every week or every two weeks, but it's just keeping
it up. Yeah, that's the big thing.
Just keep it up. And I think it's trust.
Like if your listeners trust that you're going to release one
every week or every two weeks, they they know it, then they're
going to tune in, right. So, yeah, good luck, man.
And I wish you the best. And of course, you got a

(01:16:11):
resource in me for any questions.
Any help, whatever you want, I'mhere for.
You, I'll be picking your brain.I'm piggybacking off, you know.
Yeah, yeah. No, no, whatever you need.
No, sounds good. Why?
I really appreciate the chat there.
James is awesome having you on. Um, you're a great speaker, have
great stories and I can see why why you being successful so far.
So yeah, I just want to say thanks again.

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