September 3, 2025 • 36 mins
Welcome to The Deep Dive. In this episode, we meticulously construct and examine a chilling hypothetical programming model that outlines how a vulnerable individual could be systematically transformed into a violent extremist. This is not about fear, but about understanding the alarming mechanisms of manipulation in our modern world.
We'll explore a multi-faceted framework drawing from research into:
Epigenetics & The Biology of Belief: How our environment and perceptions can reprogram our very cells, making us biologically open to manipulation.
Target Identification: A look at CIA research into "hypnotically susceptible personalities" and the specific psychological traits that make someone a prime candidate for reprogramming.
Covert Hypnosis & NLP: The subtle art of bypassing conscious defenses using "occult terminology," neurolinguistic programming (NLP), and psychological operations to build trust and soften the mind.
Drugs & Trauma: How pharmacological agents and induced trauma can be used to bypass resistance, create amnesia, and even split a personality to install controllable "alters".
Technology as an Accelerator: How social media algorithms, subliminal messaging, and theoretical "brain print" technology can streamline and automate this entire process on a massive scale.
This deep dive exposes the fragility of our own perceptions and leaves us with a critical question: In an age of sophisticated manipulation, how do we protect our inner world?
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OK, let's unpack this. Welcome to the deep dive.
We're here to plunge into some really complex subjects and
hopefully surface with insights that genuinely make you think.
That's the plan. Today we're venturing into
something pretty unsettling, I have to say, but also, I think,
profoundly important. A real deep dive.
Absolutely. We're going to try and
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meticulously construct and then examine a hypothetical
programming model, basically a theoretical framework, right?
Looking at how a vulnerable individual, maybe someone
starting as a mental health patient, could under very
specific, very deliberate circumstances, be systematically
turned into well into a violent extremist.
And it's crucial to state upfront this isn't about
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pointing fingers or stirring up fear.
No, definitely not. It's about understanding the
intricate, sometimes frankly alarming mechanisms that our
various sources layout for us. Exactly.
We're drawing on a lot of different threads here.
Research into neurolinguistic programming, the whole science
of propaganda, the documented uses of drugs and manipulation,
and the, you know, subtle art ofhypnosis.
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And the really critical piece for today, I think, is
connecting those dots to how modern technology, especially
something as pervasive as socialmedia, could potentially
accelerate this whole insidious process, make it faster, maybe
more widespread. Yeah, that acceleration factor
is key. What's truly fascinating and
frankly chilling isn't just the individual parts, the NLP, the
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drugs, whatever. It's how these seemingly
disconnected elements, I mean from the biology of belief right
up to cutting edge digital manipulation, how they could
theoretically be woven together.Into a coherent framework,
horrifyingly effective otentially.
Otentially, yes O our objective here is to meticulously dissect
the methods described in the source materials we have.
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We want to highlight the critical points, the sort of
hidden connections and the cumulative effect.
We're not just listening techniques.
No, not at all. We're digging into the how, and
maybe more importantly, the why these techniques could
theoretically be applied in sucha transformative, destructive
way. It's like pulling back the
curtain on the vulnerabilities we all might have and the
sophisticated tools designed to exploit them.
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Understanding this theoretical engineering of extremism, as you
called it, gives us hopefully some crucial insight into
manipulation itself. OK, so let's start at the
foundation. This whole idea, this kind of
myth of the blank slate and how profoundly our environment
actually influences us, often more than we realize.
It's a huge shift in thinking, really.
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For ages, the prevailing view scientifically and just, you
know, culturally was that our genes were pretty much destiny.
They dictated everything. Set in stone.
Right. But Doctor Bruce Lipton's work,
particularly in the biology of belief, really turns out on its
head. He compellingly shows genes
don't solely control our biologyin that deterministic.
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Way, which is where epigenetics comes in.
Exactly this revolutionary field, epigenetics, it reveals
how our environment, everything from like nutrition, stress, our
social world, even our beliefs, profoundly influences how our
cells behave and how our genes get expressed.
And the key thing is, it does this without changing the actual
DNA code. Think of it like the DNA is the
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hardware right? Powerful stuff, but epigenetics,
That's the software. And that software can be updated
constantly, rewritten by external input, completely
changing how the hardware runs. Even though the physical
hardware, the DNA stays the same.
And it's not just for complex creatures like us, the sources
point out. Even single cells learn this
way. They create cellular memories
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from environmental experiences, passing them down.
Like the example of the measles virus, an immune cell doesn't
just react, it learns to make anantibody, it activates a new
gene to do it. Right, it adapts, it gets
programmed by the experience. So this fundamental
malleability, this biological openness to environmental
programming, it's crucial. It tells us our own programming
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isn't fixed. It can be changed, overwritten.
And potentially hijack. That's the unsettling part, and
Lipton really hammers this pointhome.
Perceptions, whether they are accurate or inaccurate, equally
impact our behavior and our bodies.
That's not just like a nice thought.
It's biology. The placebo effect, basically.
The belief effect, yeah, which is astonishing when you think
about it. Sugar pills easing pain,
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shrinking tumors just because someone believes they're getting
real medicine. But our sources say it gets
quickly glossed over in medical schools.
Often, yeah, because it doesn't fit the neat drug focused model.
But what it really shows is thisdeep, inherent biological
vulnerability to what we perceive as real.
So if our perceptions, even false ones, can change our
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biology. Imagine the power they have over
our minds, our emotions. The brain doesn't always double
check if a strongly held belief matches objective reality, it
just runs with it. This biological tendency to be
shaped by belief, that's the ground floor for any
manipulation, isn't it? It's the fertile ground,
absolutely. And you can almost see this
vulnerability playing out in characters we all know, like
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Holden Caulfield and The Catcherin the Rye.
Holden Yeah. His whole experience with that
negative, alienating environment, all the phoniness
he sees, the disappointments it creates, this profound isolation
in him, the cynicism, this depression.
He felt rotten lonesome all the time.
Right. And those intense emotional
states, the alienation, the depression, feeling like a
victim, that's exactly what could make someone incredibly
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susceptible, vulnerable to someone offering a new truth, or
maybe just a sense of belonging he desperately craves.
And it's interesting one of our sources actually notes the book
itself had this huge cultural impact, saying it's succeeded in
setting the programming into thesubconscious of millions of
American teenagers. Wow.
So a powerful story, whether it's fiction or propaganda, can
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tap into those existing vulnerabilities.
And subtly shape world views on a massive scale, like a kind of
preliminary softening of the mind, preparing it to accept
certain ideas later on. OK, so if minds can be softened
or are already vulnerable, how are potential targets
identified? Well, building right on that
idea, susceptibility, we know from our sources that entities
like the CIA actually researchedthis extensively.
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They were looking for what they termed hypnotically susceptible
personalities. What did that look like?
What traits? It was a whole constellation of
traits really, things like a readiness to trust, which is
key. Also a relative suspension of
critical judgement, meaning theydon't question things as much,
and ease of affiliation with newexperiences.
They go with the flow, An excellent memory, surprisingly.
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A capacity for intense concentration and overall
tractability, meaning they're quite pliable.
And then, paradoxically, a rigidcore of private beliefs.
Rigid core? That seems counterintuitive.
It does, but it suggests that while they might seem compliant
on the surface, once they accepta new idea, they can internalize
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it very deeply, make it part of that rigid core.
And do they distinguish between personality types?
They did the research apparentlynoted that hysterics are always
a good hypnotic subject, probably because they're more
emotionally open and suggestible.
Makes sense? Whereas compulsives are the
hardest personality type to either hypnotize or to control,
maybe because of their own need for control and their rigid
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structures. So finding the right person
isn't random, it's a calculated search for specific mental
predispositions. Exactly.
It's about finding the right canvas for the reprogramming
work. And bringing it back to our
hypothetical mental health patient, they might naturally
have some of these traits, right?
Like the vulnerability could lead to more trust or distress
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could lower critical judgement. Absolutely, or their existing
condition could be deliberately leveraged, perhaps even
worsened, to increase that susceptibility.
Our sources talk about dissociative states of
consciousness. We all experience these getting
lost in thought, absorbed in a book or TV.
Yeah, where the world just fadesout.
Right. In those states, you're
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naturally more open to suggestion your conscious
defenses are down. And hypnotism, the sources
clarify, isn't some magic switch.
It's a continuum. Most people are affected to some
degree. So a mental health patient,
maybe someone already prone to dissociation or just getting
really absorbed mentally. They become a prime candidate,
almost ideal in the chilling waytheir natural mental state
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already makes them more receptive than average.
OK, So you've identified someonesusceptible.
What's the next step in this model?
Getting them to trust you? Precisely the initial
psychological softening and trust building.
This is where, according to our sources, covert hypnotists were
incredibly skilled. They knew the word hypnosis
itself could scare people off. Put their guard up.
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Exactly. So they carefully avoided the
word hypnosis. Instead they use what the source
is called a cult terminology or just really benign phrases.
Concentrations. Relaxation exercises.
So instead of I'm hypnotizing you, it's let's do some deep
relaxation or. Let's try a concentration
exercise. The source gives an example of a
hypnotist named Nielsen doing spiritual exercises with his
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subject Pele, calling them magnetic strokings or yogic
training and how to cease thinking.
It completely camouflages the intent, makes it seem
therapeutic, maybe even spiritual.
Right. It bypasses the rational
defenses, makes the subject openup without realizing they're
being well primed for hypnosis. And then there's building that
basic goodwill to the psychological operations.
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Manuals mention this. Yeah, winning trust through
seemingly good deeds like helping people in community work
or teaching environmental hygiene.
The stated goal being to arouse the peasant's sympathy.
It sounds cynical, but in the context of our vulnerable
individual, imagine a manipulator showing up first as
a helper, offering support, an ear, a sense of community to
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someone feeling lost. That initial goodwill is
critical. It builds that rapport, that
trust before anything. Moreover, it starts.
Absolutely foundational, and thesources even described this
really clever technique Nielsen used with Pally to banish any
fear and boost Pally's confidence.
Nielsen would sometimes pretend to be completely helplessly
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under Pally's mental influence during their exercises.
Wow. So the subject feels powerful in
control. Exactly.
Creates a false sense of security, making them even more
open, more receptive when the real suggestions start coming.
It's quite sophisticated. OK, so the groundwork is laid,
trust established, the mind softened.
Now comes the phase of actually building a new reality using
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propaganda and NLP. That's the next critical stage
in this hypothetical model, yeah, constructing that new
reality using primarily propaganda for the external
narrative and neuro linguistic programming for the internal
wiring. Let's start with propaganda.
The sources talk about a propaganda model.
What's that about? It basically describes how
media, whether it's old school or digital, is often shaped by,
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you know, owners and managers seeking ads who ultimately
decide what is to be offered. So it's not necessarily a free
flow of information. Not always.
It can be a very selective presentation of information
designed to create a consensus reality.
And this manufactured reality then provides the moral basis
for certain actions. It defines what's right, wrong,
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justified. It builds the walls of their new
world. Precisely by controlling the
information flow, manipulators define the truth for the
subject. And how does this apply directly
to radicalizing someone? Well, those psychological
operations manuals are pretty explicit.
They advise creating a negative image of the common enemy.
Not just criticism, but real distortion.
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But like calling managers, slavedrivers or police communist,
just stop. Them exactly.
Those kinds of examples are in the sources.
It's a systematic process. Distort perceptions, shift
blame, foster intense resentmenttowards a designated group.
You take their existing frustrations, their alienation.
And you channel it, amplify it, redirect all that anger towards
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this specific demonized other, making them incredibly receptive
to narratives that promised payback or radical change.
All framed within this new truth.
And this propaganda can get really specific, really
targeted, our sources note. It can be engineered to incite a
race war or go after particular groups.
Like the jihadist discourse example.
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Right framing, say, Muslim womenas key figures of this global
oppression. And it's not just vague talk.
It actively uses and twists things like recent legislations
in Western countries, the job bans in France to ignite genuine
outrage and mobilize people. So it's not just describing a
problem, it's precision engineers to create that
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powerful US versus them narrative.
Exactly. One side is the victim of
terrible injustice, maybe with exaggerated or even faked
evidence. The other side is pure evil.
This stark split gives a powerful emotional justification
for a violent response. Perceived injustice becomes a
mandate for action. The level of distortion can be
quite something. Manufacturing Consent.
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That book details how media can twist things right.
Oh, absolutely. It gives detailed accounts of
reversing chronologies, exaggerating protester violence
while totally downplaying policeprovocation, for example.
So they make the victims look like the aggressors.
Essentially, yes. The example given is a New York
Times piece falsely claiming Seattle protesters through
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excrement and Molotov cocktails.The correction came way later,
quietly, after the damaging narrative was already out.
There, and for someone vulnerable already being
programmed, this kind of distortion feels like proof.
It justifies extremist actions against the enemy.
It validates their entire radicalized worldview,
reinforcing it constantly withinthat controlled information
bubble. OK, so that's the external
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narrative. What about the internal
rewiring? That's where NLP comes in.
Exactly Neurolinguistic programming.
This is about getting inside thehead and changing the very
architecture of thought. NLP score ideas pretty profound.
All our thinking happens in terms of the census, pictures,
sounds, feelings, smells, tastes.
Our mind is just a pattern of nerve connections.
According to this model, yes, Which means the world each
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person sees and lives in is really the world inside their
head. It's a construct.
And if it's a construct? It's malleable, it's
programmable through those sensory based mental processes.
If you change the internal map, you change the individual's
reality. That's unsettling.
So what are the tools? How does NLP actually do this?
Well, NLP offers a whole toolkit.
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Let's touch on a few key ones mentioned in our sources.
First up, sub modality. Sub modality.
Yeah, these are the specific qualities of our internal
sensory experiences. Like is a mental picture bright
or dim, close or far, big or small, color or black and white?
OK, By systematically altering these submodalities, A
programmer can literally alter their experience, making it more
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positive, neutral, or negative. How would that work in this
scenario? Imagine guiding the target to
recall a positive memory, maybe family, old friends of their
past life. Then you subtly instruct them,
maybe covertly, to dim that picture in their mind, shrink
it, push it far away until it's tiny and faded.
Making the past seem less appealing.
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Exactly. And conversely, take an image of
the enemy or a desired violent act.
Make it brighter, bigger, closer, more intense.
You amplify the negative feelings or the righteous anger
associated with. It well, you're subtly eroding
their connection to their past identity.
Almost without them noticing consciously that they're being
detached. It's just minor tweaks to
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internal imagery. What else?
Then there's association and dissociation.
When you're associated into a memory, you're reliving it
intensely, feeling the emotions.Like you're right there again.
Right. Makes the impact more intense,
but if you recall it, dissociate.
Like watching yourself in a movie from the outside.
It reduces the emotional charge you're detached.
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So the manipulator controls how they experience memories.
Precisely, they can keep the subject associated from positive
past memories, draining the emotion out of their former
life, making it feel distant andirrelevant.
While making them intensely associated with the new radical
narrative. Exactly.
Immerse them emotionally in the US versus them story.
Make that feel incredibly real, urgent, vital.
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Create an emotional vacuum for the old life and intense
investment in the new one. OK, what about anchors?
Anchors are basically triggers. A specific touch, a word, a
gesture, even an internal image that gets linked to a specific
emotional state. Like Pavlov's dogs, but for
feelings. So you could create a touch
anchor. Yeah, the sources mentioned
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creating a kinesthetic anchor. A touch anchor.
Maybe the programmer consistently touches the
subject's shoulder while praising their new extremist
identity. Eventually, that touch alone
could trigger feelings of confidence, enthusiasm, optimism
and self regard on demand. And negative anchors too.
Absolutely. Set triggers for fear or
aggression linked to cues about the enemy.
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It's like installing emotional shortcuts ready to be activated
whenever needed. And the last one you mentioned
was metaprograms. Right.
These are deeper thought patterns, unconscious filters
that act as automatic filters that help us make decisions.
And importantly, they also filter out any evidence that's
contrary to the belief they protect our existing worldview.
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Like being motivated towards goals versus away from problems,
or being proactive versus reactive.
These are classic examples, so if a programmer understands the
target specific meta programs, they can tailor their
communication perfectly. They frame messages in a way
that slides right past critical thinking because it aligns with
the person's natural unconsciousfiltering system.
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Making the new radical beliefs feel natural, like they came up
with them themselves. Exactly.
It feels right because it fits their deepest thinking patterns.
Very little internal resistance.So you combine this targeted NLP
with the controlled propaganda. And the effect is profound.
As the sources state, generalization is also how
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beliefs get formed. Then beliefs filter all the
different stimuli coming in. The mind doesn't really get raw
information. It no longer gets to choose.
That's terrifying. They lose the ability to
critically evaluate anything that contradicts the program.
Essentially, yes. The internal map gets completely
rewritten. They see what they're programmed
to see, believe what they're programmed to believe.
Their entire reality becomes a managed construct, often without
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them having any conscious clue about the manipulation.
OK, this is getting progressively darker.
So the mind is softened. A new reality is being built.
Now we move into deepening the control using things like drugs,
trauma. Yes, this phase involves moving
beyond persuasion into more profound physiological and
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psychological alteration. Pharmacological assistance drugs
plays a significant role here, according to our sources.
How so? Bypassing resistance.
Exactly. Drugs can bypass conscious
resistance breakdown willpower. The sources mentioned Sodium
pentathol, the so-called truth drug.
Used in interrogations, right? Like with William Aaron.
'S that's the infamous example cited.
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He claimed his confession was coerced while he was disoriented
by the drug. It shows how chemicals can force
someone past their conscious defenses, making them incredibly
vulnerable to suggestion. And there's narco hypnosis.
Right. Combining drugs with hypnosis to
make the reprogramming outcome more predictable.
Especially potent when you add amnesia.
Suggestions. So drugs make them pliable,
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hypnosis implants the commands, and amnesia wipes the memory of
it happening. A terrifyingly effective
synergy, yeah, And finding largecaches of Thorazine in cases
like Gary Heidnik's Kid. Precisely.
And drugs can be used to deliberately induce or enhance
these states, push someone into that reactive, less rational
mode where they're easier to control, easier to direct
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towards aggression or just blindobedience.
You're literally changing their brain chemistry to make them a
weapon. In essence, yes.
Yeah. And this often goes hand in hand
with inducing trauma, amnesia, even personality splitting.
Personality splitting. Like creating multiple
personalities. That was a disturbing goal
identified in some secretive CIAresearch programs mentioned in
our sources, creating unknowing hypnoprogram subjects whose
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personalities had been artificially split by inducing
deep amnesic trances to achieve automatistic obedience.
The person acts without conscious memory or
understanding of the command. The aim is to create separate
compartments alters controllableby the programmer, often without
the main personality knowing, fragmenting the self.
That sounds like something out of science fiction, but the
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sources suggest it was actively researched.
They do, and Doctor William Sargent's work referencing
Pavlov provides a kind of neurophysiological basis.
He noted that certain induced states, hypnoid paradoxical and
ultra paradoxical states of brain activity can cause a
splitting of the stream of consciousness.
Why are? Those states.
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They're deliberately induced altered states where the mind
becomes, say, hyper receptive ortotally disoriented, or even
able to hold contradictory ideasat once.
The brain's normal integration breaks down.
Making it possible to isolate thoughts, memories, behavior.
Exactly. Walling them off from the main
consciousness, Creating these deeply embedded pockets of
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programming that operate withoutquestion because the core self
can't even access them. Are there real world examples
that seem to fit this? The sources point to John Wayne
Gacy. He claimed an altar personality
named Jack Hanley committed the murders, and that he himself had
no memory at all of most of them.
That aligns disturbingly well with amnesic splitting and
controls altars. And the CIA actually explored if
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this could be permanent. According to the sources, yes,
they looked into whether personality splitting and hypno
programming could be made irreversible.
The goal wasn't just temporary control, but fundamentally
altering someone's identity forever.
This also highlights how fragilememory is in these states,
doesn't it? The risk of confabulation.
Huge risk. Confabulation is where the mind
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basically invents memories to fill gaps, especially under
hypnosis or during trauma recovery.
The person genuinely believes these false stories.
The unconscious may produce preposterous tales if not guided
carefully. So false beliefs, false memories
can be implanted intentionally or not.
Easily cementing that new constructed reality.
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Making deprogramming incredibly hard because their whole
perceived history might be fiction that feels utterly real.
One source even warns that a subject capable of unethical
hypnosis might end up believing their own unconscious
fabrication. Oh, OK.
Alongside the drugs and trauma, there's also this idea of
eroding morality, breaking down boundaries.
Yes, another crucial step. Our sources looking at analysis
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of occult practices talk about how one's God-given sense of
morality can be deliberately extinguished by the destruction
of normal natural boundaries. By sowing confusion.
Exactly. Introducing concepts that
destabilize fundamental norms. The sources give the example of
teaching boys they're girls and girls that they are boys.
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The aim isn't just challenging norms, it's shattering the
framework of right, wrong, self,other.
Creating psychological disorientation.
Making them far more susceptibleto accepting a new radical moral
code provided by the programmer.And the sources connect this
boundary breaking to actual violence.
Chillingly, yes, they link this confusion to creating a sense of
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entitlement or karma that allowsfor horrific acts like rape,
murder and torture. And even the destruction of
families. Because their moral compass is
gone. Dismantled, replaced with a new
twisted code where heinous actions are seen as justified,
may be necessary or even righteous within their new
belief system. It's a critical step in
desensitizing someone, removing those innate restraints against
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violence. Making the unthinkable thinkable
and doable. Precisely, And we even see hints
of this subtle moral erosion in literature.
Back to Holden Caulfield. He's exposed to talk about
perverts, the idea you could turn into one practically
overnight, right? And the sources note how
forbidden homoeroticism is introduced, often followed by a
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place of relief. For Holden, this subtle pattern
exposure followed by resolution might subconsciously normalize
taboo ideas. Preparing the mind for bigger
moral breakdowns later. Potentially gradually making the
individual more open to discarding established ethics,
one under more direct manipulative pressure.
It's a slow, insidious softeningof moral lines.
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OK, so we've reached the final phase in this hypothetical
model, the individual is primed,reality reshaped, morality
eroded. Now it's about activation,
turning them into the actual extremist actor.
Exactly. Activation and mobilization.
Transforming the vulnerable patient into a compliant, maybe
even zealous extremist. A key technique here is
triggering compulsive obsessions.
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How does that work? Psychological warfare cadres,
the sources detail, create temporary compulsive obsessions
in mass concentrations or group meetings by hammering on
specific or selective topics. Hammering like relentless
repetition. Relentless, repetitive
conditioning, often through structured conversations.
Curated media. The goal is to build intense
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internal pressure, a laser focuson a grievance or an enemy.
Like winding up a psychological spring.
Good analogy, coiled tight, ready to snap into general
violence at the decisive moment.It's about making the action
feel not just possible, but compelled.
And this violence needs to feel justified.
Absolutely. That's where, for instance,
armed propaganda teams come in, as described in Guerrilla
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warfare context in our sources. They provide a stage by stage
persuasive planning program. How do they frame the violence?
Crucially, they present arms as the strength of the people
against a repressive regime, notjust the power of the guerrillas
themselves. It reframes violence as
liberation, self-defense, righteous retribution.
So the subject feels they're fighting for a noble cause.
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Exactly Transforms programmed rage into a sense of duty.
Their extreme actions become morally imperative within that
twisted framework. And how is obedience actually
automated, made reliable? Through things like post
hypnotic suggestions. These are commands given during
trance, but designed to be carried out after the person
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seems wide awake and normal. So they act on the command, but
look like they're just acting normally.
Right. They're directed to act wide
awake and normal while obeying. Conceals the trance, conceals
the manipulation both from the subject and from others, makes
the extremist action look like it came from their own free
will. And reinforcement is key to
making this stick. Absolutely critical.
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Remember those eight basic stepsof human hypnosis?
The final step is reinforce the given lesson until it becomes
automatic. So once trained, always trained.
That's what the literature suggests.
A hypnotic subject is always a trained hypnotic subject.
The programming doesn't just vanish, it lies dormant, ready
to be reactivated. By specific cues, a word, a
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gesture. Exactly designated triggers can
quickly re hypnotize A trained subject.
This deep repeated training ensures the responses are
ingrained, accessible and can beactivated efficiently.
Turns the individual into a reliable tool.
The sources also mentioned creating an artificially induced
super ego. What does that mean?
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Think of the Super ego as our conscience or internalized
ideals. In this context, it means
creating a split in the unconscious where a new
programmed part identifies with the hypnotist and acts as the
hypnotist. So the programmers will becomes
the subjects internal moral compass.
Effectively, yes, the subject genuinely believes they're
acting on their own convictions,their own sense of right and
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wrong, but they're actually enacting the programmers will
having fully internalized that extremist value system.
And this allows for unleashing extreme aggression, the inner
beast. That chilling phrase comes up in
the sources, yeah, along with other dehumanizing language.
Sin, nature, natural man, silly woman, witches inside.
This rhetoric strips targets of humanity.
Making violence easier to commit.
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Much easier if your enemy isn't human, atrocities become
possible. This language, combined with
calls for obedience and sacrifice, prepares the subject
psychologically for extreme violence against designated
targets. And the sources even give
practical, terrifying advice, like the CIA assassin manual.
Yes, advising assassins to use simplest local tools or weapons
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of opportunity. Hammers, axes, knives, even
lamps. Mundane items turned deadly.
That practical instruction combined with the deep
psychological conditioning. Makes the subject a potent,
unpredictable weapon ready to use whatever's at hand.
And the sources link this to real world horrors.
Ritualized homicides in the Bay Area with witchcraft symbols.
The Atlanta child murders potentially linked to a cult
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involved in trafficking and Satanism.
Examples of organized directed violence where individuals might
have been manipulated like this.It underscores the terrifying
potential of such a programming model actually being
implemented. OK, so that's the hypothetical
model using more traditional methods, but you mentioned
technology acts as an accelerator.
How does social media and moderntech streamline all this?
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Exponentially, potentially the first big way is tailored
propaganda and echo chambers. Social media algorithms are
basically designed for this, even if unintentionally.
By maximizing engagement. Right.
They filter information, creating personalized feeds that
just relentlessly reinforce whatever you already believe, or
critically, whatever new beliefshave been implanted.
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So it constantly builds and solidifies that world inside
their head. We talked about with NLP.
Exactly, Makes their perception of reality more insular, more
self validating, completely controlled.
Like the sources said, the mind no longer gets to choose its
information, the algorithm chooses.
It's a digital cage for belief. And identifying targets becomes
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easier to like of the armed propaganda teams finding people
on the ground. Far easier and far more precise
online data collection mirrors and vastly surpasses that.
Every click, like, share, comment, even how long you
linger on a post, it all builds a digital footprint.
Which can be analyzed to find vulnerable people.
With incredible precision analyzing interests, emotional
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responses, online social connections, you can pinpoint
individuals susceptible to specific narratives or
grievances. Then you hit them with highly
personalized messaging. Delivering the exact right
propaganda to the exact right person at the exact right time.
Bypassing all the old gatekeepers, dramatically
speeding up radicalization. Beyond overt propaganda, what
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about more subtle methods? Subliminal messaging.
Technology enables that on a massive scale, the sources
discuss. Subliminal advertising.
Images flashed faster than sightthat the conscious mind misses
but the brain registers. And audio subliminals too.
Hidden messages and sound. Yes, messages embedded in music
or background noise that your conscious mind doesn't get, but
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your brain gets its covert influence shaping perceptions,
emotions, attitudes without any conscious awareness or
resistance. Programming that completely
bypasses critical thinking. Implanting ideas straight into
the subconscious and. NLP principles can be baked into
social media content itself. Absolutely.
Think about crafting posts usingspecific language patterns,
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predicates, metaphors, story structures designed to
manipulate those internal sub modalities or target specific
metaprograms. So subtly changing how people
feel about things just through the way content is presented.
Precisely using AI now, you could even analyze which visual
cues, colors, brightness or audio cues, tone, music, get the
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desired emotional response, thencraft content accordingly,
dimming images linked to their old life and videos they watch
using language that triggers away from motivation when
showing the enemy. It's like a constant low level
rewiring of their inner world delivered right to their phone.
Guiding behavior without them even realizing they're being
nudged. OK, now for the really cutting
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edge, maybe even sci-fi soundingstuff, brain print technology.
Yeah, this is highly theoreticalbased on the sources, but deeply
unsettling. The idea is that maybe, just
maybe, something like NSA signals intelligence could
decode the resonance frequency of each specific brain area,
like a unique electrical signature for different brain
parts. A brain print, right?
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And the theory goes, if you could map that precisely, could
you they modulate that frequencyto somehow impose information or
even insert a thought directly into the brain.
Bypassing language, images, everything.
That's the terrifying theoretical potential direct
thought insertion. It would represent the ultimate
form of control, bypassing all conscious resistance.
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Highly speculative, but the factit's even discussed in the
sources shows where this could go.
And. What about radiated inductions
making hypnosis remote? Another theoretical possibility
suggested by the sources. Instead of close up hypnosis,
could advanced tech deliver hypnotic cues covertly,
remotely, maybe through specificfrequencies, sound patterns,
visual stimuli hidden in digitalmedia?
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Turning hypnosis into an automated distant, invisible
force. Potentially inducing trance or
planting suggestions without theperson knowing the source or
intent. The reach would be instant,
global, unseen. And finally, how does technology
gamify the whole process? Make radicalization almost like
a game. Well, those PSYOP manuals
mentioned using group dynamics and self criticism for teaching
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guerrillas building cohesion. Social media platforms are
masters at recreating and amplifying these dynamics
online. Through likes, shares, comments,
online communities. Exactly fostering this intense
sense of belonging, shared purpose, Reinforcing radical
views through shared content, interactive challenges, fierce
peer pressure, the platform's own engagement mechanisms,
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streaks, rewards can turn passive followers into active
recruiters, then into combatants.
All within this seemingly harmless digital space.
Yeah, it's almost like the idea mentioned in the sources about
Mickey Mouse being television brainwashing, subtly implanting
values generation after generation.
Social media does that, but maybe faster, more powerfully.
Arguably yes, through gamified interfaces, constant feedback
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loops, pervasive curated figures.
Think about the figure of the armed and veiled fighting women
being omnipresent in social media in extremist circles, as
the sources know. Creating enthusiasm, acting as
recruitment tools. Powerful ones transforming
casual users wrapped U in the scrolling.
Engaging digital experience intoactive participants in
extremism. The line between engagement and
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indoctrination just gets terrifyingly blurry.
Tag Outro. So what does this all mean?
We've just gone through this incredibly detailed deep dive
into a hypothetical but really profoundly unsettling
programming model. We've tried to map out a
theoretical path from a vulnerable starting point, maybe
a mental health patient, to a violent extremist.
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And we've seen how this intricate web, this interlocking
system of psychological manipulation, calculated
propaganda, and maybe most alarmingly, now sophisticated
modern technology, how could allbe woven together.
Yeah, from Lipton's Epigenetics showing our biology is actually
quite malleable. Do the nuts and bolts of NLP
reshaping our inner world. The chemical interventions of
drugs breaking down resistance. The deep damage of trauma and
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hypnosis. Splitting identity.
And then this massive accelerantsocial media emerging tech, like
the theoretical brain print, it just lays bare the fragility
maybe of our own perception, thepower of external influence.
It really does. And it raises this huge question
for all of us, doesn't it? Especially living in this
digital age, How do we even knowwhat's real?
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How do we discern reality when our very perceptions, that world
inside our heads, can be so meticulously engineered, so
subtly built by forces we might not even see?
And the goal here, like we said at the start, isn't about fear.
It's about fostering a really informed awareness.
Understanding these mechanisms, even hypothetically, gives us
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crucial insight into our vulnerabilities and the
sophistication of manipulation today.
Knowing how reality can be messed with is maybe the first
step to protecting it. It has to be.
Which leaves us with the final thought.
Provocative one, maybe, given what the sources suggest about
the inherent programmability of the human mind and this
pervasive, often invisible technological influence trying
to shape us constantly. What are the ethical
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responsibilities of those who control information
communication platforms? That's a massive question.
And maybe more personally for everyone listening, how can we
as individuals cultivate more mental resilience, stronger
critical thinking, a more robust, independent inner world
to guard against manipulation, especially when our minds are
under this constant, sophisticated pressure to be
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reprogrammed? It really comes down to that,
doesn't it? Yeah.
So the challenge we leave you with is this How do you protect
your inner world when the outer world seems constantly trying to
reshape it?
OK, let's unpack this. Welcome to the deep dive.
We're here to plunge into some really complex subjects and
hopefully surface with insights that genuinely make you think.
That's the plan. Today we're venturing into
something pretty unsettling, I have to say, but also, I think,
profoundly important. A real deep dive.
Absolutely. We're going to try and
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meticulously construct and then examine a hypothetical
programming model, basically a theoretical framework, right?
Looking at how a vulnerable individual, maybe someone
starting as a mental health patient, could under very
specific, very deliberate circumstances, be systematically
turned into well into a violent extremist.
And it's crucial to state upfront this isn't about
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pointing fingers or stirring up fear.
No, definitely not. It's about understanding the
intricate, sometimes frankly alarming mechanisms that our
various sources layout for us. Exactly.
We're drawing on a lot of different threads here.
Research into neurolinguistic programming, the whole science
of propaganda, the documented uses of drugs and manipulation,
and the, you know, subtle art ofhypnosis.
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And the really critical piece for today, I think, is
connecting those dots to how modern technology, especially
something as pervasive as socialmedia, could potentially
accelerate this whole insidious process, make it faster, maybe
more widespread. Yeah, that acceleration factor
is key. What's truly fascinating and
frankly chilling isn't just the individual parts, the NLP, the
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drugs, whatever. It's how these seemingly
disconnected elements, I mean from the biology of belief right
up to cutting edge digital manipulation, how they could
theoretically be woven together.Into a coherent framework,
horrifyingly effective otentially.
Otentially, yes O our objective here is to meticulously dissect
the methods described in the source materials we have.
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We want to highlight the critical points, the sort of
hidden connections and the cumulative effect.
We're not just listening techniques.
No, not at all. We're digging into the how, and
maybe more importantly, the why these techniques could
theoretically be applied in sucha transformative, destructive
way. It's like pulling back the
curtain on the vulnerabilities we all might have and the
sophisticated tools designed to exploit them.
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Understanding this theoretical engineering of extremism, as you
called it, gives us hopefully some crucial insight into
manipulation itself. OK, so let's start at the
foundation. This whole idea, this kind of
myth of the blank slate and how profoundly our environment
actually influences us, often more than we realize.
It's a huge shift in thinking, really.
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For ages, the prevailing view scientifically and just, you
know, culturally was that our genes were pretty much destiny.
They dictated everything. Set in stone.
Right. But Doctor Bruce Lipton's work,
particularly in the biology of belief, really turns out on its
head. He compellingly shows genes
don't solely control our biologyin that deterministic.
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Way, which is where epigenetics comes in.
Exactly this revolutionary field, epigenetics, it reveals
how our environment, everything from like nutrition, stress, our
social world, even our beliefs, profoundly influences how our
cells behave and how our genes get expressed.
And the key thing is, it does this without changing the actual
DNA code. Think of it like the DNA is the
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hardware right? Powerful stuff, but epigenetics,
That's the software. And that software can be updated
constantly, rewritten by external input, completely
changing how the hardware runs. Even though the physical
hardware, the DNA stays the same.
And it's not just for complex creatures like us, the sources
point out. Even single cells learn this
way. They create cellular memories
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from environmental experiences, passing them down.
Like the example of the measles virus, an immune cell doesn't
just react, it learns to make anantibody, it activates a new
gene to do it. Right, it adapts, it gets
programmed by the experience. So this fundamental
malleability, this biological openness to environmental
programming, it's crucial. It tells us our own programming
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isn't fixed. It can be changed, overwritten.
And potentially hijack. That's the unsettling part, and
Lipton really hammers this pointhome.
Perceptions, whether they are accurate or inaccurate, equally
impact our behavior and our bodies.
That's not just like a nice thought.
It's biology. The placebo effect, basically.
The belief effect, yeah, which is astonishing when you think
about it. Sugar pills easing pain,
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shrinking tumors just because someone believes they're getting
real medicine. But our sources say it gets
quickly glossed over in medical schools.
Often, yeah, because it doesn't fit the neat drug focused model.
But what it really shows is thisdeep, inherent biological
vulnerability to what we perceive as real.
So if our perceptions, even false ones, can change our
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biology. Imagine the power they have over
our minds, our emotions. The brain doesn't always double
check if a strongly held belief matches objective reality, it
just runs with it. This biological tendency to be
shaped by belief, that's the ground floor for any
manipulation, isn't it? It's the fertile ground,
absolutely. And you can almost see this
vulnerability playing out in characters we all know, like
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Holden Caulfield and The Catcherin the Rye.
Holden Yeah. His whole experience with that
negative, alienating environment, all the phoniness
he sees, the disappointments it creates, this profound isolation
in him, the cynicism, this depression.
He felt rotten lonesome all the time.
Right. And those intense emotional
states, the alienation, the depression, feeling like a
victim, that's exactly what could make someone incredibly
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susceptible, vulnerable to someone offering a new truth, or
maybe just a sense of belonging he desperately craves.
And it's interesting one of our sources actually notes the book
itself had this huge cultural impact, saying it's succeeded in
setting the programming into thesubconscious of millions of
American teenagers. Wow.
So a powerful story, whether it's fiction or propaganda, can
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tap into those existing vulnerabilities.
And subtly shape world views on a massive scale, like a kind of
preliminary softening of the mind, preparing it to accept
certain ideas later on. OK, so if minds can be softened
or are already vulnerable, how are potential targets
identified? Well, building right on that
idea, susceptibility, we know from our sources that entities
like the CIA actually researchedthis extensively.
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They were looking for what they termed hypnotically susceptible
personalities. What did that look like?
What traits? It was a whole constellation of
traits really, things like a readiness to trust, which is
key. Also a relative suspension of
critical judgement, meaning theydon't question things as much,
and ease of affiliation with newexperiences.
They go with the flow, An excellent memory, surprisingly.
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A capacity for intense concentration and overall
tractability, meaning they're quite pliable.
And then, paradoxically, a rigidcore of private beliefs.
Rigid core? That seems counterintuitive.
It does, but it suggests that while they might seem compliant
on the surface, once they accepta new idea, they can internalize
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it very deeply, make it part of that rigid core.
And do they distinguish between personality types?
They did the research apparentlynoted that hysterics are always
a good hypnotic subject, probably because they're more
emotionally open and suggestible.
Makes sense? Whereas compulsives are the
hardest personality type to either hypnotize or to control,
maybe because of their own need for control and their rigid
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structures. So finding the right person
isn't random, it's a calculated search for specific mental
predispositions. Exactly.
It's about finding the right canvas for the reprogramming
work. And bringing it back to our
hypothetical mental health patient, they might naturally
have some of these traits, right?
Like the vulnerability could lead to more trust or distress
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could lower critical judgement. Absolutely, or their existing
condition could be deliberately leveraged, perhaps even
worsened, to increase that susceptibility.
Our sources talk about dissociative states of
consciousness. We all experience these getting
lost in thought, absorbed in a book or TV.
Yeah, where the world just fadesout.
Right. In those states, you're
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naturally more open to suggestion your conscious
defenses are down. And hypnotism, the sources
clarify, isn't some magic switch.
It's a continuum. Most people are affected to some
degree. So a mental health patient,
maybe someone already prone to dissociation or just getting
really absorbed mentally. They become a prime candidate,
almost ideal in the chilling waytheir natural mental state
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already makes them more receptive than average.
OK, So you've identified someonesusceptible.
What's the next step in this model?
Getting them to trust you? Precisely the initial
psychological softening and trust building.
This is where, according to our sources, covert hypnotists were
incredibly skilled. They knew the word hypnosis
itself could scare people off. Put their guard up.
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Exactly. So they carefully avoided the
word hypnosis. Instead they use what the source
is called a cult terminology or just really benign phrases.
Concentrations. Relaxation exercises.
So instead of I'm hypnotizing you, it's let's do some deep
relaxation or. Let's try a concentration
exercise. The source gives an example of a
hypnotist named Nielsen doing spiritual exercises with his
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subject Pele, calling them magnetic strokings or yogic
training and how to cease thinking.
It completely camouflages the intent, makes it seem
therapeutic, maybe even spiritual.
Right. It bypasses the rational
defenses, makes the subject openup without realizing they're
being well primed for hypnosis. And then there's building that
basic goodwill to the psychological operations.
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Manuals mention this. Yeah, winning trust through
seemingly good deeds like helping people in community work
or teaching environmental hygiene.
The stated goal being to arouse the peasant's sympathy.
It sounds cynical, but in the context of our vulnerable
individual, imagine a manipulator showing up first as
a helper, offering support, an ear, a sense of community to
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someone feeling lost. That initial goodwill is
critical. It builds that rapport, that
trust before anything. Moreover, it starts.
Absolutely foundational, and thesources even described this
really clever technique Nielsen used with Pally to banish any
fear and boost Pally's confidence.
Nielsen would sometimes pretend to be completely helplessly
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under Pally's mental influence during their exercises.
Wow. So the subject feels powerful in
control. Exactly.
Creates a false sense of security, making them even more
open, more receptive when the real suggestions start coming.
It's quite sophisticated. OK, so the groundwork is laid,
trust established, the mind softened.
Now comes the phase of actually building a new reality using
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propaganda and NLP. That's the next critical stage
in this hypothetical model, yeah, constructing that new
reality using primarily propaganda for the external
narrative and neuro linguistic programming for the internal
wiring. Let's start with propaganda.
The sources talk about a propaganda model.
What's that about? It basically describes how
media, whether it's old school or digital, is often shaped by,
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you know, owners and managers seeking ads who ultimately
decide what is to be offered. So it's not necessarily a free
flow of information. Not always.
It can be a very selective presentation of information
designed to create a consensus reality.
And this manufactured reality then provides the moral basis
for certain actions. It defines what's right, wrong,
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justified. It builds the walls of their new
world. Precisely by controlling the
information flow, manipulators define the truth for the
subject. And how does this apply directly
to radicalizing someone? Well, those psychological
operations manuals are pretty explicit.
They advise creating a negative image of the common enemy.
Not just criticism, but real distortion.
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But like calling managers, slavedrivers or police communist,
just stop. Them exactly.
Those kinds of examples are in the sources.
It's a systematic process. Distort perceptions, shift
blame, foster intense resentmenttowards a designated group.
You take their existing frustrations, their alienation.
And you channel it, amplify it, redirect all that anger towards
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this specific demonized other, making them incredibly receptive
to narratives that promised payback or radical change.
All framed within this new truth.
And this propaganda can get really specific, really
targeted, our sources note. It can be engineered to incite a
race war or go after particular groups.
Like the jihadist discourse example.
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Right framing, say, Muslim womenas key figures of this global
oppression. And it's not just vague talk.
It actively uses and twists things like recent legislations
in Western countries, the job bans in France to ignite genuine
outrage and mobilize people. So it's not just describing a
problem, it's precision engineers to create that
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powerful US versus them narrative.
Exactly. One side is the victim of
terrible injustice, maybe with exaggerated or even faked
evidence. The other side is pure evil.
This stark split gives a powerful emotional justification
for a violent response. Perceived injustice becomes a
mandate for action. The level of distortion can be
quite something. Manufacturing Consent.
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That book details how media can twist things right.
Oh, absolutely. It gives detailed accounts of
reversing chronologies, exaggerating protester violence
while totally downplaying policeprovocation, for example.
So they make the victims look like the aggressors.
Essentially, yes. The example given is a New York
Times piece falsely claiming Seattle protesters through
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excrement and Molotov cocktails.The correction came way later,
quietly, after the damaging narrative was already out.
There, and for someone vulnerable already being
programmed, this kind of distortion feels like proof.
It justifies extremist actions against the enemy.
It validates their entire radicalized worldview,
reinforcing it constantly withinthat controlled information
bubble. OK, so that's the external
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narrative. What about the internal
rewiring? That's where NLP comes in.
Exactly Neurolinguistic programming.
This is about getting inside thehead and changing the very
architecture of thought. NLP score ideas pretty profound.
All our thinking happens in terms of the census, pictures,
sounds, feelings, smells, tastes.
Our mind is just a pattern of nerve connections.
According to this model, yes, Which means the world each
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person sees and lives in is really the world inside their
head. It's a construct.
And if it's a construct? It's malleable, it's
programmable through those sensory based mental processes.
If you change the internal map, you change the individual's
reality. That's unsettling.
So what are the tools? How does NLP actually do this?
Well, NLP offers a whole toolkit.
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Let's touch on a few key ones mentioned in our sources.
First up, sub modality. Sub modality.
Yeah, these are the specific qualities of our internal
sensory experiences. Like is a mental picture bright
or dim, close or far, big or small, color or black and white?
OK, By systematically altering these submodalities, A
programmer can literally alter their experience, making it more
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positive, neutral, or negative. How would that work in this
scenario? Imagine guiding the target to
recall a positive memory, maybe family, old friends of their
past life. Then you subtly instruct them,
maybe covertly, to dim that picture in their mind, shrink
it, push it far away until it's tiny and faded.
Making the past seem less appealing.
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Exactly. And conversely, take an image of
the enemy or a desired violent act.
Make it brighter, bigger, closer, more intense.
You amplify the negative feelings or the righteous anger
associated with. It well, you're subtly eroding
their connection to their past identity.
Almost without them noticing consciously that they're being
detached. It's just minor tweaks to
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internal imagery. What else?
Then there's association and dissociation.
When you're associated into a memory, you're reliving it
intensely, feeling the emotions.Like you're right there again.
Right. Makes the impact more intense,
but if you recall it, dissociate.
Like watching yourself in a movie from the outside.
It reduces the emotional charge you're detached.
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So the manipulator controls how they experience memories.
Precisely, they can keep the subject associated from positive
past memories, draining the emotion out of their former
life, making it feel distant andirrelevant.
While making them intensely associated with the new radical
narrative. Exactly.
Immerse them emotionally in the US versus them story.
Make that feel incredibly real, urgent, vital.
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Create an emotional vacuum for the old life and intense
investment in the new one. OK, what about anchors?
Anchors are basically triggers. A specific touch, a word, a
gesture, even an internal image that gets linked to a specific
emotional state. Like Pavlov's dogs, but for
feelings. So you could create a touch
anchor. Yeah, the sources mentioned
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creating a kinesthetic anchor. A touch anchor.
Maybe the programmer consistently touches the
subject's shoulder while praising their new extremist
identity. Eventually, that touch alone
could trigger feelings of confidence, enthusiasm, optimism
and self regard on demand. And negative anchors too.
Absolutely. Set triggers for fear or
aggression linked to cues about the enemy.
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It's like installing emotional shortcuts ready to be activated
whenever needed. And the last one you mentioned
was metaprograms. Right.
These are deeper thought patterns, unconscious filters
that act as automatic filters that help us make decisions.
And importantly, they also filter out any evidence that's
contrary to the belief they protect our existing worldview.
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Like being motivated towards goals versus away from problems,
or being proactive versus reactive.
These are classic examples, so if a programmer understands the
target specific meta programs, they can tailor their
communication perfectly. They frame messages in a way
that slides right past critical thinking because it aligns with
the person's natural unconsciousfiltering system.
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Making the new radical beliefs feel natural, like they came up
with them themselves. Exactly.
It feels right because it fits their deepest thinking patterns.
Very little internal resistance.So you combine this targeted NLP
with the controlled propaganda. And the effect is profound.
As the sources state, generalization is also how
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beliefs get formed. Then beliefs filter all the
different stimuli coming in. The mind doesn't really get raw
information. It no longer gets to choose.
That's terrifying. They lose the ability to
critically evaluate anything that contradicts the program.
Essentially, yes. The internal map gets completely
rewritten. They see what they're programmed
to see, believe what they're programmed to believe.
Their entire reality becomes a managed construct, often without
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them having any conscious clue about the manipulation.
OK, this is getting progressively darker.
So the mind is softened. A new reality is being built.
Now we move into deepening the control using things like drugs,
trauma. Yes, this phase involves moving
beyond persuasion into more profound physiological and
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psychological alteration. Pharmacological assistance drugs
plays a significant role here, according to our sources.
How so? Bypassing resistance.
Exactly. Drugs can bypass conscious
resistance breakdown willpower. The sources mentioned Sodium
pentathol, the so-called truth drug.
Used in interrogations, right? Like with William Aaron.
'S that's the infamous example cited.
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He claimed his confession was coerced while he was disoriented
by the drug. It shows how chemicals can force
someone past their conscious defenses, making them incredibly
vulnerable to suggestion. And there's narco hypnosis.
Right. Combining drugs with hypnosis to
make the reprogramming outcome more predictable.
Especially potent when you add amnesia.
Suggestions. So drugs make them pliable,
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hypnosis implants the commands, and amnesia wipes the memory of
it happening. A terrifyingly effective
synergy, yeah, And finding largecaches of Thorazine in cases
like Gary Heidnik's Kid. Precisely.
And drugs can be used to deliberately induce or enhance
these states, push someone into that reactive, less rational
mode where they're easier to control, easier to direct
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towards aggression or just blindobedience.
You're literally changing their brain chemistry to make them a
weapon. In essence, yes.
Yeah. And this often goes hand in hand
with inducing trauma, amnesia, even personality splitting.
Personality splitting. Like creating multiple
personalities. That was a disturbing goal
identified in some secretive CIAresearch programs mentioned in
our sources, creating unknowing hypnoprogram subjects whose
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personalities had been artificially split by inducing
deep amnesic trances to achieve automatistic obedience.
The person acts without conscious memory or
understanding of the command. The aim is to create separate
compartments alters controllableby the programmer, often without
the main personality knowing, fragmenting the self.
That sounds like something out of science fiction, but the
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sources suggest it was actively researched.
They do, and Doctor William Sargent's work referencing
Pavlov provides a kind of neurophysiological basis.
He noted that certain induced states, hypnoid paradoxical and
ultra paradoxical states of brain activity can cause a
splitting of the stream of consciousness.
Why are? Those states.
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They're deliberately induced altered states where the mind
becomes, say, hyper receptive ortotally disoriented, or even
able to hold contradictory ideasat once.
The brain's normal integration breaks down.
Making it possible to isolate thoughts, memories, behavior.
Exactly. Walling them off from the main
consciousness, Creating these deeply embedded pockets of
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programming that operate withoutquestion because the core self
can't even access them. Are there real world examples
that seem to fit this? The sources point to John Wayne
Gacy. He claimed an altar personality
named Jack Hanley committed the murders, and that he himself had
no memory at all of most of them.
That aligns disturbingly well with amnesic splitting and
controls altars. And the CIA actually explored if
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this could be permanent. According to the sources, yes,
they looked into whether personality splitting and hypno
programming could be made irreversible.
The goal wasn't just temporary control, but fundamentally
altering someone's identity forever.
This also highlights how fragilememory is in these states,
doesn't it? The risk of confabulation.
Huge risk. Confabulation is where the mind
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basically invents memories to fill gaps, especially under
hypnosis or during trauma recovery.
The person genuinely believes these false stories.
The unconscious may produce preposterous tales if not guided
carefully. So false beliefs, false memories
can be implanted intentionally or not.
Easily cementing that new constructed reality.
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Making deprogramming incredibly hard because their whole
perceived history might be fiction that feels utterly real.
One source even warns that a subject capable of unethical
hypnosis might end up believing their own unconscious
fabrication. Oh, OK.
Alongside the drugs and trauma, there's also this idea of
eroding morality, breaking down boundaries.
Yes, another crucial step. Our sources looking at analysis
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of occult practices talk about how one's God-given sense of
morality can be deliberately extinguished by the destruction
of normal natural boundaries. By sowing confusion.
Exactly. Introducing concepts that
destabilize fundamental norms. The sources give the example of
teaching boys they're girls and girls that they are boys.
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The aim isn't just challenging norms, it's shattering the
framework of right, wrong, self,other.
Creating psychological disorientation.
Making them far more susceptibleto accepting a new radical moral
code provided by the programmer.And the sources connect this
boundary breaking to actual violence.
Chillingly, yes, they link this confusion to creating a sense of
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entitlement or karma that allowsfor horrific acts like rape,
murder and torture. And even the destruction of
families. Because their moral compass is
gone. Dismantled, replaced with a new
twisted code where heinous actions are seen as justified,
may be necessary or even righteous within their new
belief system. It's a critical step in
desensitizing someone, removing those innate restraints against
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violence. Making the unthinkable thinkable
and doable. Precisely, And we even see hints
of this subtle moral erosion in literature.
Back to Holden Caulfield. He's exposed to talk about
perverts, the idea you could turn into one practically
overnight, right? And the sources note how
forbidden homoeroticism is introduced, often followed by a
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place of relief. For Holden, this subtle pattern
exposure followed by resolution might subconsciously normalize
taboo ideas. Preparing the mind for bigger
moral breakdowns later. Potentially gradually making the
individual more open to discarding established ethics,
one under more direct manipulative pressure.
It's a slow, insidious softeningof moral lines.
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OK, so we've reached the final phase in this hypothetical
model, the individual is primed,reality reshaped, morality
eroded. Now it's about activation,
turning them into the actual extremist actor.
Exactly. Activation and mobilization.
Transforming the vulnerable patient into a compliant, maybe
even zealous extremist. A key technique here is
triggering compulsive obsessions.
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How does that work? Psychological warfare cadres,
the sources detail, create temporary compulsive obsessions
in mass concentrations or group meetings by hammering on
specific or selective topics. Hammering like relentless
repetition. Relentless, repetitive
conditioning, often through structured conversations.
Curated media. The goal is to build intense
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internal pressure, a laser focuson a grievance or an enemy.
Like winding up a psychological spring.
Good analogy, coiled tight, ready to snap into general
violence at the decisive moment.It's about making the action
feel not just possible, but compelled.
And this violence needs to feel justified.
Absolutely. That's where, for instance,
armed propaganda teams come in, as described in Guerrilla
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warfare context in our sources. They provide a stage by stage
persuasive planning program. How do they frame the violence?
Crucially, they present arms as the strength of the people
against a repressive regime, notjust the power of the guerrillas
themselves. It reframes violence as
liberation, self-defense, righteous retribution.
So the subject feels they're fighting for a noble cause.
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Exactly Transforms programmed rage into a sense of duty.
Their extreme actions become morally imperative within that
twisted framework. And how is obedience actually
automated, made reliable? Through things like post
hypnotic suggestions. These are commands given during
trance, but designed to be carried out after the person
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seems wide awake and normal. So they act on the command, but
look like they're just acting normally.
Right. They're directed to act wide
awake and normal while obeying. Conceals the trance, conceals
the manipulation both from the subject and from others, makes
the extremist action look like it came from their own free
will. And reinforcement is key to
making this stick. Absolutely critical.
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Remember those eight basic stepsof human hypnosis?
The final step is reinforce the given lesson until it becomes
automatic. So once trained, always trained.
That's what the literature suggests.
A hypnotic subject is always a trained hypnotic subject.
The programming doesn't just vanish, it lies dormant, ready
to be reactivated. By specific cues, a word, a
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gesture. Exactly designated triggers can
quickly re hypnotize A trained subject.
This deep repeated training ensures the responses are
ingrained, accessible and can beactivated efficiently.
Turns the individual into a reliable tool.
The sources also mentioned creating an artificially induced
super ego. What does that mean?
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Think of the Super ego as our conscience or internalized
ideals. In this context, it means
creating a split in the unconscious where a new
programmed part identifies with the hypnotist and acts as the
hypnotist. So the programmers will becomes
the subjects internal moral compass.
Effectively, yes, the subject genuinely believes they're
acting on their own convictions,their own sense of right and
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wrong, but they're actually enacting the programmers will
having fully internalized that extremist value system.
And this allows for unleashing extreme aggression, the inner
beast. That chilling phrase comes up in
the sources, yeah, along with other dehumanizing language.
Sin, nature, natural man, silly woman, witches inside.
This rhetoric strips targets of humanity.
Making violence easier to commit.
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Much easier if your enemy isn't human, atrocities become
possible. This language, combined with
calls for obedience and sacrifice, prepares the subject
psychologically for extreme violence against designated
targets. And the sources even give
practical, terrifying advice, like the CIA assassin manual.
Yes, advising assassins to use simplest local tools or weapons
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of opportunity. Hammers, axes, knives, even
lamps. Mundane items turned deadly.
That practical instruction combined with the deep
psychological conditioning. Makes the subject a potent,
unpredictable weapon ready to use whatever's at hand.
And the sources link this to real world horrors.
Ritualized homicides in the Bay Area with witchcraft symbols.
The Atlanta child murders potentially linked to a cult
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involved in trafficking and Satanism.
Examples of organized directed violence where individuals might
have been manipulated like this.It underscores the terrifying
potential of such a programming model actually being
implemented. OK, so that's the hypothetical
model using more traditional methods, but you mentioned
technology acts as an accelerator.
How does social media and moderntech streamline all this?
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Exponentially, potentially the first big way is tailored
propaganda and echo chambers. Social media algorithms are
basically designed for this, even if unintentionally.
By maximizing engagement. Right.
They filter information, creating personalized feeds that
just relentlessly reinforce whatever you already believe, or
critically, whatever new beliefshave been implanted.
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So it constantly builds and solidifies that world inside
their head. We talked about with NLP.
Exactly, Makes their perception of reality more insular, more
self validating, completely controlled.
Like the sources said, the mind no longer gets to choose its
information, the algorithm chooses.
It's a digital cage for belief. And identifying targets becomes
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easier to like of the armed propaganda teams finding people
on the ground. Far easier and far more precise
online data collection mirrors and vastly surpasses that.
Every click, like, share, comment, even how long you
linger on a post, it all builds a digital footprint.
Which can be analyzed to find vulnerable people.
With incredible precision analyzing interests, emotional
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responses, online social connections, you can pinpoint
individuals susceptible to specific narratives or
grievances. Then you hit them with highly
personalized messaging. Delivering the exact right
propaganda to the exact right person at the exact right time.
Bypassing all the old gatekeepers, dramatically
speeding up radicalization. Beyond overt propaganda, what
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about more subtle methods? Subliminal messaging.
Technology enables that on a massive scale, the sources
discuss. Subliminal advertising.
Images flashed faster than sightthat the conscious mind misses
but the brain registers. And audio subliminals too.
Hidden messages and sound. Yes, messages embedded in music
or background noise that your conscious mind doesn't get, but
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your brain gets its covert influence shaping perceptions,
emotions, attitudes without any conscious awareness or
resistance. Programming that completely
bypasses critical thinking. Implanting ideas straight into
the subconscious and. NLP principles can be baked into
social media content itself. Absolutely.
Think about crafting posts usingspecific language patterns,
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predicates, metaphors, story structures designed to
manipulate those internal sub modalities or target specific
metaprograms. So subtly changing how people
feel about things just through the way content is presented.
Precisely using AI now, you could even analyze which visual
cues, colors, brightness or audio cues, tone, music, get the
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desired emotional response, thencraft content accordingly,
dimming images linked to their old life and videos they watch
using language that triggers away from motivation when
showing the enemy. It's like a constant low level
rewiring of their inner world delivered right to their phone.
Guiding behavior without them even realizing they're being
nudged. OK, now for the really cutting
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edge, maybe even sci-fi soundingstuff, brain print technology.
Yeah, this is highly theoreticalbased on the sources, but deeply
unsettling. The idea is that maybe, just
maybe, something like NSA signals intelligence could
decode the resonance frequency of each specific brain area,
like a unique electrical signature for different brain
parts. A brain print, right?
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And the theory goes, if you could map that precisely, could
you they modulate that frequencyto somehow impose information or
even insert a thought directly into the brain.
Bypassing language, images, everything.
That's the terrifying theoretical potential direct
thought insertion. It would represent the ultimate
form of control, bypassing all conscious resistance.
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Highly speculative, but the factit's even discussed in the
sources shows where this could go.
And. What about radiated inductions
making hypnosis remote? Another theoretical possibility
suggested by the sources. Instead of close up hypnosis,
could advanced tech deliver hypnotic cues covertly,
remotely, maybe through specificfrequencies, sound patterns,
visual stimuli hidden in digitalmedia?
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Turning hypnosis into an automated distant, invisible
force. Potentially inducing trance or
planting suggestions without theperson knowing the source or
intent. The reach would be instant,
global, unseen. And finally, how does technology
gamify the whole process? Make radicalization almost like
a game. Well, those PSYOP manuals
mentioned using group dynamics and self criticism for teaching
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guerrillas building cohesion. Social media platforms are
masters at recreating and amplifying these dynamics
online. Through likes, shares, comments,
online communities. Exactly fostering this intense
sense of belonging, shared purpose, Reinforcing radical
views through shared content, interactive challenges, fierce
peer pressure, the platform's own engagement mechanisms,
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streaks, rewards can turn passive followers into active
recruiters, then into combatants.
All within this seemingly harmless digital space.
Yeah, it's almost like the idea mentioned in the sources about
Mickey Mouse being television brainwashing, subtly implanting
values generation after generation.
Social media does that, but maybe faster, more powerfully.
Arguably yes, through gamified interfaces, constant feedback
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loops, pervasive curated figures.
Think about the figure of the armed and veiled fighting women
being omnipresent in social media in extremist circles, as
the sources know. Creating enthusiasm, acting as
recruitment tools. Powerful ones transforming
casual users wrapped U in the scrolling.
Engaging digital experience intoactive participants in
extremism. The line between engagement and
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indoctrination just gets terrifyingly blurry.
Tag Outro. So what does this all mean?
We've just gone through this incredibly detailed deep dive
into a hypothetical but really profoundly unsettling
programming model. We've tried to map out a
theoretical path from a vulnerable starting point, maybe
a mental health patient, to a violent extremist.
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And we've seen how this intricate web, this interlocking
system of psychological manipulation, calculated
propaganda, and maybe most alarmingly, now sophisticated
modern technology, how could allbe woven together.
Yeah, from Lipton's Epigenetics showing our biology is actually
quite malleable. Do the nuts and bolts of NLP
reshaping our inner world. The chemical interventions of
drugs breaking down resistance. The deep damage of trauma and
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hypnosis. Splitting identity.
And then this massive accelerantsocial media emerging tech, like
the theoretical brain print, it just lays bare the fragility
maybe of our own perception, thepower of external influence.
It really does. And it raises this huge question
for all of us, doesn't it? Especially living in this
digital age, How do we even knowwhat's real?
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How do we discern reality when our very perceptions, that world
inside our heads, can be so meticulously engineered, so
subtly built by forces we might not even see?
And the goal here, like we said at the start, isn't about fear.
It's about fostering a really informed awareness.
Understanding these mechanisms, even hypothetically, gives us
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crucial insight into our vulnerabilities and the
sophistication of manipulation today.
Knowing how reality can be messed with is maybe the first
step to protecting it. It has to be.
Which leaves us with the final thought.
Provocative one, maybe, given what the sources suggest about
the inherent programmability of the human mind and this
pervasive, often invisible technological influence trying
to shape us constantly. What are the ethical
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responsibilities of those who control information
communication platforms? That's a massive question.
And maybe more personally for everyone listening, how can we
as individuals cultivate more mental resilience, stronger
critical thinking, a more robust, independent inner world
to guard against manipulation, especially when our minds are
under this constant, sophisticated pressure to be
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reprogrammed? It really comes down to that,
doesn't it? Yeah.
So the challenge we leave you with is this How do you protect
your inner world when the outer world seems constantly trying to
reshape it?
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