Unveiling Hidden Messages: Brian Jones' Journey into Audio Psychic Phenomena

In this captivating episode, we explore the mysterious world of audio psychic communication with Brian Jones, who discusses the hidden messages that emerge from recorded sound. From reverse speech to complex insights about the animal kingdom and the potential of human voices, we delve into the intricate relationship between sound and consciousness, highlighting the tools, ethics, and innovations at play in this fascinating field.

• Brian shares his journey into audio psychic communication 
• Exploration of the mechanics behind reverse speech 
• Anecdotes of experimenting with audio mediums 
• Insight into animal communication and spirit connections 
• Ethical considerations in audio research 
• Live demonstrations of audio samples throughout the episode 
• A call to rethink and reevaluate our understanding of sound and consciousness

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
From the Pacific Northwest and the shadow of the
1962 World's Fair.
Good evening, good morning,good afternoon.
Wherever you are on God's greenearth, I am your host, mario
Magana.
This is US Phenomenon.
We go to the phone lines thisevening to chat with someone who
has been with us before.
His name is Brian.
Brian Jones had sent us anemail and we haven't touched

(00:43):
base with Brian in some time.
Brian has been in pre.
When he was on with uspreviously he was sharing his
ability to be an audio psychiccommunicator.
Let's welcome back to usphenomenon on the U S phenomenon
Hotline is Brian Jones.
Welcome back to the show, hi,mario.
Thanks for having me back withyou.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Hey is Brian Jones?
Welcome back to the show.
Hi, mario, thanks for having meback with you.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Hey man, it's a pleasure to have you.
So since we last had you on theshow, I know that a lot of
listeners who may be new to theshow may not know who you are or
your story.
So can you briefly kind of getthe listening audience, the
viewing audience, kind of backup to speed on what's, where
you've been, who you are andwhere you've been?

Speaker 3 (01:28):
sure you bet, and and uh, I just want to say this and
I think you'll appreciate it isI've been listening to art bell
on saturday evenings.
He's on kbi, as you probablyknow, right before your show,
but somewhere in time archiveboy, what a flashback youback
from a quarter century ago.
And he was a turning point inmy life for finding a phenomenon

(01:51):
.
That was pretty wild and Iguess it still is, and a lot of
people probably don't even knowabout it anymore.
It kind of died out, but I'dbeen hearing about him from my

(02:13):
mother.
She was telling me some of theguests and some of the topics
and I was at that time, you know, in my early thirties, and I
was thinking, boy, that soundspretty wacky.
And, uh, she kept telling methat.
And then, uh, my life was alittle interesting at the time
and, uh, energetically since Iwas born.
But I uh had a strangephenomenon happen on the phone.
That was really powerful and I,uh, I was talking to the guy.
I was on a, uh, probably a flipphone or I mean no, actually it

(02:34):
was a landline cordless and Iknow it was more than just some
technical glitch.
I was talking to a man and outof nowhere.
I was interrupted by what Irecognize as the sound of my own
voice and it was really strangeand stirring in a super
powerful way and it spooked thehell out of me.

(02:56):
And I mean, I was the guy onthe other end, couldn't hear any
of this phenomenon and I said,said hey, phil, and my voice is
echoing back at me backwards.
And four hours later my motheryou know, I talked with her and
she says hey, brian, art had aguest with a topic you're going
to want to know about, and thiswas David John Oates, the

(03:16):
Australian that was living in.
He was from Australia, he was aresearcher, the founder and
developer of what he calledreverse speech.
I know that was more than acoincidence and you know.
So that was back in 1997.
And the thing that got me intowhat I ended up calling audio
psychic is simply put, as Davidput it and proved and showed

(03:42):
with lots of evidence, he was aregular guest on our show back
in the mid to late nineties andit was simply if you record the
audio of human speech and playit backwards, you would find
embedded messages in there andanybody could do it that gave it
any my you know dedication atall.
Sometimes somebody could findit in minutes or take longer,

(04:04):
but that's that's how I gotstarted on, you know, tapping
into information ofconsciousness or what I also
like.
I like to put two wordstogether spirit, consciousness.
That's that started in 1997 andI put thousands and thousands
of hours into it right away.
I was enthralled with it bigtime.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
I know that we have a couple samples that you sent to
us and I'd love to play a piecefor someone right now.
So I'm going to play audio clipnumber two because, for those
who are listening to us on ourflagship station, kvi, we don't
have the rights to, I don't havethe rights to play the Art Bell
clip unless it was grabbed here, uh, via, you know, youtube, so

(04:48):
we do have.
We do have your second audioclip here and let's let me play
it again.
Why do you mean to reallyinterrupt it?
But here, here is audio clipnumber two that you have here,
and and this one is interestingto me because when you listen to
these pieces, now, what am Igetting here?

(05:09):
Let me listen to this again now.
Is this a?
Is this an animal?
What?
What is this audio?

Speaker 3 (05:19):
yeah, yeah, I'm the animal, the mad mad science
audio animal.
Yeah, I was pushing it prettyhard, that that right there.
And uh, I see, here's what Iwas doing.
I, I, I wasn't really thinkingyou'd play them, and I don't
mind that you do it all, but Iwas, I was, I was doing this, so
we'd have a reference point andI don't know you, you read, did

(05:39):
you read what?
What?
I labeled that as.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
I.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
I.
I went back and looked at it.
Yes, just now.
Are you able to make out thatphrase?
I'm curious because I knowother people have.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
You know, when I heard it not wearing my
headphones, I was able to, butlistening to it right now is
interesting to me because I amnot making out the word, the
phrase.
That is what is written here,which is interesting me to, you
know, in review to this I'm like, wow, why am I not hearing that

(06:13):
?
Because I was listening right, Iwasn't looking at the word, and
then I played the audio to seeif I could hear what to make it
out, and now that I've gone backto look at it again, I'm uh.
Yeah, I just what's interestingto me when we go through these.
I just wanted to give just alittle piece of something for
our, our, our audience, who mayhave not listened to you in the

(06:36):
past, kind of get them up tospeed on some of the pieces that
you've worked on in the past,oh yeah, it's a really, it's a
really kind of a touchy subjectwith a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
I've noticed that that right, there is not human
speech.
You know that that thing rightthere.
If you, I've noticed and I andI've backed away, I haven't
really done much actively, evenfor myself in the last three
years.
I've been a little preoccupiedwith other events.
But but the uh, but what I wasgoing to say is there, there's a
very strange thing about and Idon't know how it'd be today

(07:09):
because I really have kind ofkept it to myself for the last
few years, maybe five yearssince our last talk with it kind
of faded out.
I tried a couple other thingsI'll tell you about, but what,
what?
A few years into it?
Oh yeah, let me finish thatthought back to just telling
somebody you, if you playrecordings of speech, it's
backward.
You'll get messages.
You get some really spookyreactions Inherently deep down.

(07:33):
I don't know why that is.
I think a lot of people justaren't interested in reaching
through the veil.
I'm kind of wired the oppositeof that for my own reasons.
But what you heard right therewas a few years into it.
I was getting really frustratedwith the basic level of
approaching people as a likewith a forensic bent on.

(07:56):
Uh hey, you know I can getinformation from human speech
this way.
I mean, I talked to, like Iwrote, like 50 private
investigators locally and onlytwo got back to me and they did
a vanishing act when I sent himsome compelling evidence, never
heard from him again, but, butso I started really um.
Back to another guest on ArtBell show.

(08:17):
A man named Mark Macy wasplaying what he called ITC
instrumental trans communication, which was using audio
recordings and devices.
People would try all kinds ofexperimentation and document in
audio messages from, say, spirit.
You couldn't really tell wherethey were coming from and I was

(08:39):
using that term ITC InstrumentalTranscommunication.
Back in that day, right there,instrumental transcommunication.
Back in that day, right there.
That, right there.
That recording was from, roughlywhen I moved over to just
manically spending hours andhours and hours trying all kinds
of things to open that doorwayup to get information because I
really wanted it and that wasjust some device I can't even

(09:02):
remember.
I tried all kinds ofnon-technical things like an old
doorbell with some vibratingapparatus just to cause a
background sound that wouldmorph into it and what I heard
of that and I know other peoplecould hear it too.
It sounds a little loud overthe phone here, I don't know.
Sometimes headphones for mework a lot better.

(09:24):
You were saying it was theopposite for you, but what I got
out of that was and, by the way, that is dual direction.
If you play it it's not edited100% symmetrically, but you
would tell that is backwards andforward.
So in other words, the firstpart might be forward and what I
hear of it.
If you don't mind me sayingthat right now, you ready for
that?

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Okay, Get a life review in heaven.
And, like I said, to get a lifereview is one direction and you
play that audio backwards andthen it comes out as in heaven.
That's the way I hear it veryclearly.
I know that's a message for meand, like I said, other people
have been able to audibly hearthat with their ears.

(10:06):
But the whole thing is most ofthe messages that I get, whether
it's recording animals' voicesor breathing sounds even and
they carry messages too it'sdual direction and I think
there's a correlation there ofbeing outside the physical, say
over into the spiritual realm,Because we've probably all heard

(10:27):
stories that pay attention tothis sort of thing.
You hear people that had an NDE,a near death experience, or
possibly a temporary deathexperience, where they're
outside of their body, and I cantell you, my cousin someone
I've known all my life, told methat she was in a medical
situation in a hospital andsomething went wrong with her IV

(10:48):
and they overdosed her andbasically squeezed her out of
her body because her body wentinto some kind of medical trauma
.
And she remembers so crystalclear being standing in the room
looking across the room at herbody in the bed, and she said
when she got out of that, whenshe was out of her body, it was

(11:09):
a completely different spectrumof consciousness and awareness.
In other words, she told me andshe didn't.
I didn't back then.
I was like 17 at the time whenshe told me this and I remember
her telling me this and it wasput it in the memory bank.
It added up to all kinds ofthings that you know, compelled
me to want to do what I'm doingor have done, and she told me

(11:30):
that she had this crystal clearawareness completely different
than being in the body, whereshe could see past, present and
future.
So I think the reason I get somany dual direction messages
most, 95% of them are that arereally clear to me is because
they're outside of the physicalrealm, restriction of being here

(11:52):
like this, and they do kind ofrepresent nonlinear time.
That's what I think becauseI've seen it.
It's constant.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
And this is like completely different than the
stuff that maybe are like hiddenmessages, like in like, for
example, in like the beatlestrack, when you go and you
listen to a day in the life andthen there's like that, there's
that big, you know, and then atthe end there's like some,
there's something at the end,but it's if you reverse it or
there's a.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
There's a lot of stuff in music and some of it is
probably intentional formarketing purposes, just to get
people talking about you right.
A lot of it's naturallyoccurring.
I mean, I look that song byqueen, which is a very famous
song we are the champions,correct?
You know that song?
Who doesn't right, sure?
And that came out in what?
1978 I think, or maybe late 77.

(12:42):
Well, if you listen to and Iremember I found that I was
really thrilled.
In fact I posted that on one ofDavid Oates, david John Oates
forum boards back in like 1997or right, when I first got going
on it, and I remember hisreaction, I was getting his
attention pretty good.
He said he said, brian, yourreversals are so clear they

(13:03):
scare me.
And he was talking about thisone, because if you play that
green song backwards, the nameof the title of the song and I
guess it's called the chorus isthe repeated main lyric of the
song is we are the champions.
Play that backwards and thephrase is nightmares that I heal
.
And I was thinking back to thisyoung lady that I told her I

(13:24):
just found it.
And I was thinking back to thisyoung lady that I told her I
just found it and I was.
She put the headphones on and Ipresented it, you know forward
clip, like David would do, thenthe excerpt backwards at the
original speed, slowed down,slower than slower again.
I just remember her reaction isburned in my memory.
She listened to that right whenthat reversal came up of

(13:45):
nightmares that I heal becauseyou know it's pretty spooky,
kind of sounding, sure, but she,uh, I saw her eyebrows go up at
first and like maybe the secondspeed and the third speed, she
whipped the headphones off andthrew them on the table.
But uh, anyway, uh, yeah, no,that that's one.
But back to the, the musicalthing.
It's everywhere in there.
And I remember telling you theother day when we just had that

(14:08):
little chat, it's prettyintriguing I met I never met him
personally.
He heard me on Clyde Lewis'sshow and he's a bit of a
musician, kind of a recluse.
He lives out in the desert inCalifornia and he he's probably
75 right now, give or take, butback in the day he was hanging
out with some of those guys downin the Hollywood area, you know

(14:29):
, doing live, you know musicgigs, and he, uh, he sent me
some of his home brewed musicthat he's been doing in the last
few years.
But this was like 15 years agowhen I contacted him or vice
versa, and I had a driving joband I was like, I said,
thousands and thousands of hours.
I just felt like you know, Iheard the thing where Eddie Van

(14:49):
Halen used to play his guitarnine hours a day just to keep
pushing it and pushing it to gethis skill level up and style
and all that he did.
But I, for many hours, I waslistening to some of Johnny's
music and I started noticing inthe musical instrumental track
part of it, that energy.
I started getting hearing namesemerging out.

(15:11):
They're all male names and Imade a big list.
There was like 12 names onthere and a few days later when
I talked to Johnny about it, Isaid hey, johnny, I got a list
of names I want to run by youand he told me that every name
on that list were former guysthat he knew that were in the
music business and no doubt theheavy drugs scene and pretty
wild.
He told me Hollywood's an evilplace.

(15:32):
I remember him telling me that.
But you know, you get into thatkind of lifestyle, doing drugs
and everything.
You're probably dealing with alot of dark forces.
So he said that every name onthe list that I came up with
were guys that he knew that died, probably mostly from a drug,
overdoses or things along thoselines.

(15:52):
So I'm just saying there's alot that gets carried in energy
and it's it's.
It's a little bit enigmatic,you know.
It might spook a lot of people,but I always was so through, you
know, like I said, pushingmyself so hard for the discovery
angle, I was too busy to beworried or scared about anything
.
I wasn't careless about it.
I, you know you listen topeople say, yeah, you don't play

(16:14):
with a Ouija board and youdon't do all this sort of thing.
But I'm thinking you know whatjust just being alive is
dangerous.
You know, you want to kind ofbe a little proactive.
I'm different.
I don't expect everybody tohave my passion for this sort of
thing, but it was always aboutaccessing information and, like
I said for me, I just want tosay I probably never would have

(16:41):
done this had I not been bornsuper manic and a little bit
sensitive to a lot of thingsthat make me uneasy all around.
It doesn't bother me 24-7, butboy, I can sure feel that sort
of thing.
So that's why I really had aspecial need to want to try to
reach through the veil, if youwant to call it that, to get
information that I could feelbut I couldn't put my finger on.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Do you feel like in your day-to-day life you know
sharing some of your past hereand up to your present?
Do you feel like the energythat is around you sometimes
just drains you with so muchgoing on?
I mean, if you're hearing theseechoes within your own head,
it's almost like for those thatare in the business or for those
who are listening.
Is it like a half second likehearing yourself in almost a

(17:23):
little bit of a delay, listeningthat it's almost.
Is it like a half second likehearing yourself and almost a
little bit of a delay, or is itlike you hearing yourself talk
stacked up on each other?

Speaker 3 (17:33):
is when you, you know , I uh, I'm not really sure how
to answer that other than youjust brought me back to once
again a time period when I wasstaying at my cousin's house
when I was 17.
And, and you know, a lot ofthings change as you, you know,
go through more and more years.
I've realized there's a there'sa correlation almost between

(17:53):
being human and and computers.
I mean, you can get too muchinformation that'll lock up the
computer, you can get viruses,the whole bit.
But back when I was 17, in 1979, I remember I was in a kind of
a calm mood and those kind ofstand out and I was.
I was realizing that I feltlike I was.
I wasn't hearing my own voicein my head.
It almost felt like I waslistening to, uh, like male,

(18:17):
resonant DJ voices, like threeor four of them going on at the
same time.
I this is just one example thatstuck in my mind from way back
when I was walking down thestreet and I realized caught my
attention.
So I'm hearing these voices, Ihear what they're saying, but
the second that they're done, Icannot recall it.
There's another bit offrustration about something just

(18:39):
outside of consciousness, youknow, and, um, I don't know if
that answers your question ornot, but I, my mind's really
active.
I mean, I I really have a hardtime meditating and you know
that was one of the things thata note I was going to say is for
me.
You know, there's a lot of,there's a lot of training out
there, and I'm sure it's realbecause I know there's.
There's all these signals andinformation all around us in a

(19:03):
different dimension or part ofthe spectrum, and some people
can actually meditate and trainthemselves to pick up on these
signals quietly withinthemselves, because my mind's so
manic and I'm really hyperstill, and this is a way of me
being able to override the factthat if my life depended on it,

(19:24):
I don't know if I'm ever goingto be able to quiet my mind and
meditate.
So this is ideal for me becauseit's hands-on, you can focus
and you can burn off energywhile you're doing it.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
And since you were last on, and I know that you
said that you spend most of yourtime when you listen to the
flagship station, listening toArt Bell who precedes us or is
before us on our flagshipstation KVI.
If you're a huge Art Bell fan,like our guest here, brian and
myself, when I worked at Boeingback in the day, it was just

(19:58):
nice on my drive home, on mycommute home, or even at night,
just to be able to listen to ArtIf we were working OT, to be
able to listen to art if we wereworking ot, to be able to have
that companionship and and andwe, you know it is so it's such
an honor to be able to uh go tobe on after art, you know, as he
flanks a great program to handit off to us, uh to to have

(20:20):
these conversations uh locallyhere in the, the Pacific
Northwest and beyond as well, Imean.
So.
It's always interesting to mewhen we have callers and guests
like yourself who have been apart of the show, to share their
stories because, look, it'syour story, it's your encounter,
it's what you've done, and ittakes a lot to share these

(20:40):
stories with others, becausethere are multiple people out
here who want to share theirstory and just don't have the
capacity to share these storieswith others, because there are
multiple people out here whowant to share their story and
aren't just don't have thecapacity to share, and someone
like yourself who's been outhere, who has done so much
research and and even, you know,developing new tools for
yourself.
I want to kind of get into that.
I want to share a picture.

(21:01):
If you're watching us on the usphenomenon website, you can go
to my website on air mariocom,just you.
You can watch the stream andwe'll have uh photos and stuff
like that uh available on thepodcast on our website.
Uh, for those uh maybelistening and driving right now,
um, so go to my website ifyou'd like to see a picture.

(21:23):
Brian, why don't you share tous uh where you've been since
you last came on and and sharewhat you sent us as a picture
that I want to?
I want you to describe to ourviewing and listening audience
uh, what you, what you've beenworking on okay, yeah, I'll
focus on that one thing.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
there's the device that you have in the picture.
It's just basically afour-sided pyramid cone.
There's a speaker inside thereand it's very well insulated and
at the top of it you'll seelike a light, kind of rose
reddish fabric cover.
That's kind of like a speakergrill.
The sound comes up out of there.

(22:03):
And I've got a, an old conespeaker I built with nine sides
on it.
That was a tribute to johnlennon, by the way, but uh, it's
made out of wood and I've got aswitch.
I don't know if it showed up inthe picture, it probably is.
Down down below there there'san like an antique telegraph p.
I use my foot on that.
So what?
What it is is anybody that'sexperimented with, like the, the

(22:27):
EVP, the electronic voicephenomenon thing, whatever.
But there was a, there wassomething called the EVP maker
and basically it was just takingbits and pieces of speech,
chopping them all up and thenyou play it and that's the whole
thing is like the buzzing sound.
Where that message came throughfor me is this spirit,
consciousness will will kind ofgrab onto that and articulate

(22:52):
what sounds like speech of averbal message.
So what I've got inside thatspeaker, or the pyramid is just
a speaker inside a cone thataims it up through the top,
shoots it out at a 90 degreeangle, slightly upward.
That's not critical, but thatI'm just trying to give a visual
of it.
And so what I do is I do thesesessions and I record and I'm

(23:16):
I'm using cassette tape for anumber, a couple of reasons, not
that it's necessary, it's justthat in all the days, if I ever
want to analyze speeds, cause itcan take some time and some
focus, and the bestconcentration I ever had was
walking down a trail orsomewhere down the sidewalk, or
even driving, for that matter,with a set of headphones on,

(23:36):
because I've modified afull-size cassette deck that I
can flick a switch back andforth in a fraction of a
syllable and I don't have tolook at anything.
I can, I can, it helps when I'mwalking and moving.
So I don't know, just freezeeverything up.
So what I do with theserecording sessions, I have a
cassette deck on one side sideof my room and I actually built

(24:00):
a microphone chamber and I spent, like I said, thousands of
hours doing this in years.
I was, I kind of got tired ofthe resistance from approaching
people for practical reasonswith what David called the
reverse speech thing.
So I kind of said, okay, Idon't need any other incarnates
here.
They seem to be spooked by this.
So I did a lot of experimentsinto what, as I was saying,

(24:22):
saying we called itc,deliberately trying to open the
doorway up to to get someinformation back back and forth.
Maybe I can get answers to myquestions through this device.
It's very cryptic, it takes alot of energy, which I haven't
had for the last few years.
Last few years I've beenpreoccupied with other things,
but I have not forgotten thisand it's and it's, but it just.

(24:45):
This may be a little amusing.
I've tried, I call, I've got myown terms cause I've just you
know, there's no rules on thissort of thing is I call, I call
what comes up out of the uhsignal tower, that I actuate
with my foot Like I'll ask aquestion and then I'll hit that
and that sound starts coming up.
I'm across the room with amicrophone in a hardwood chamber

(25:08):
and this is I'll give, I'llgive my trademark secret here.
I'm kidding, but for a while Iwouldn't because for other
reasons.
But and this, this is part ofthe formula.
So you've got these chopped upsounds and I'll tell you what
the what, the main essence ofthat's the amusing part, I think
.
But what I do, and for peoplethat may know about this and are

(25:28):
trying this, it's just funnybecause listening to Art Bell
now, like last night, he had ashow from 2002, I believe it was
.
You know, that was a quartercentury ago, almost, well,
almost, and and some of hisother shows are from the late
90s and boy it's just, it's amind blower that you know here
you're listening to art and he'sas alive as he was in the

(25:52):
connection we have listening tohim on the radio.
You know we we weren't shakinghands with him, we weren't in
the room with him physicallywhen he was talking to us.
So the whole thing's a bigcircle right now.
But but back to the microphonechamber, because this is for
people that may be interested indoing this sort of thing.
This is I developed this myselfand it really kind of kicked it
down the road a lot faster.

(26:12):
To make it more effective, I'vegot a microphone inside a wooden
chamber, old, vintage smallmicrophone, and when I, when I
actuate that carrier track withmy foot through that switch
telegraph key.
Uh, I use my hand on the openend of this wooden chamber,
which is cylindrical and long,and I valve it with my hand,

(26:34):
which also causes a choppingeffect, and the combination of
the chopped up phoneticsyllables chopped up by the way
they're backwards, forwardslayered, and here's a part you
might find amusing I wanted tokind of get you know, like the
human voice aspect, I wanted amale and a masculine and
feminine.

(26:54):
So I went back in time and Igrabbed a bit of audio of
Vincent Price promoting a TVshow from 1958, and then for the
male aspect of it and then forthe female voice, feminine voice
, it was Elizabeth Montgomeryback in the day when she was
starring on Bewitched, but itwas a 1966 interview just to go

(27:16):
back in time, since time's anillusion anyway, right, I mean,
we're here for a limited amountof time, that's right.
And then the other thing I addedin there that seemed to enhance
it, and I still get a smilewhen I think about it.
Enhance it, and I was, and I,and I still get a smile when I
think about it.
I was grabbing all kinds ofsamples and there was a short
video on YouTube of a humpbackwhales doing the backstroke

(27:37):
around the dock and the thingwas just, you could just tell
that thing was having a good day, just happy as anything.
People were smiling andlaughing looking at this, this
whale swimming around a dock.
So so there's, those are thethree main things.
And I tweaked it, eq'd it, didall that, and I've done so much
to that carrier track, enhancingit.
It doesn't really matter really.

(27:58):
I mean, I've recorded.
I have a part in my bedroomright here, like right next to
where the signal tower issitting in that picture.
In fact, let me show you.
I don't know if those squeakysounds came through.
I already know for a fact fromexperience if I was to start
recording that by, you know,squeaking the floor and putting

(28:21):
my weight on it like I just did,I'd be able to get messages out
of that too.
It's just carrying in thisconsciousness that morphs into
pseudo speech.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Our guest this evening, brian Jones.
What would your technical, Iguess, what would your tech do?
We still call you an audiopsychic.
What do we call you now?

Speaker 3 (28:48):
I don't think I have a title.
The reason I said researcher Idon't think I have a title.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I'm the reason I said researcher.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
I'm more of an experimenter or or explorer
really, cause that's what I'vedone.
It's just a lot of experimentalthings, kind of without being
too serious minded about it, ortry to pin anything down and um,
but but yeah, there and uh,yeah, I kind of lost my train of
thought there.
But the uh, I was just going tosay this, this, this applies to

(29:15):
a lot of things, and I I'd liketo, I was going to say the um,
the animal kingdom.
I recorded a lot of animals andthey're, they're, they're, uh,
you know, they're, they're not,just they're not below us, cause
they can't drive a car.
They're operating from a way,different level, I think.
I think they're a lot more uh,linked to the spirit realm, you

(29:39):
know.
In other words, they may nothave the uh, the blindfold or
the, the amnesia that we have,because they some of the phrases
that I've gotten out of dogs,especially when I was, when I
shifted over to, uh, what I callthe animal communication.
Back to the audio psychic thing, I just want to say this so I'm
using audio tracks, right, forthe reason I mentioned.

(30:02):
For me it's not like trying toquiet my mind, it's it's way
more uh, complimentary to mymind and it helps me do it.
I don't have to sit still, it'snot necessary to quiet my mind,
but the audio psychic is.
So you're using audio tracksbut there is definitely a

(30:22):
psychic component because I'vegotten information out of my
electric guitar, where I'll justgive you an example, because I
have this audio track too.
I used to play it and what itwas.
I was getting to know this ladyover the phone.
I never met her and we talkedfor a couple months and I and
I'd done so much of this ITCcall it, and where I was there

(30:48):
was no physical body around.
It wasn't the you know, itwasn't the aim.
I was just really trying totune into the messages.
So I just thought this wasamusing that I was talking to
this lady, for I think it was upto two months over the phone
and not once did I ever say hey,what do you look like?
And about two months into it wehad one of our conversation.

(31:08):
I was really impressed with thefact that we would email back
and forth and visit.
She would put a lot of timeinto super meticulous
communication details, right.
So about two months into it wehad a conversation and we hung
up and then she calls me backand she was really excited
because she was pretty seriousminded person and, uh, I guess I

(31:29):
am too in some ways.
And uh, she was all of a suddenout of character, real happy,
like a younger person, and shesays hey, brian, I just realized
you don't even know what I looklike.
And I thought to myself, yeah,I guess I don't.
So she told me where I could golook at a picture of her, and I
did, and so I see this ladykind of pretty leaning against a

(31:49):
tree in a forest and I thoughtto myself, well, I sure have
changed over the years, right.
So I just felt this thing comeover me, like, yeah, lighten up
a little bit, but not all theway.
So, uh, she was, I knew her,her name is Caitlin, right.
So she, I go, I, I was uh, thatkind of like, uh, like made me

(32:11):
realize, well, I got to lightenup a little bit, sort of as much
as I can.
So I said, hey, let's try to geta little good energy across to
Caitlin, because I wanted, I wasreally like I said every day,
wanting to kind of keep momentumand build up communication with
spirits, shall we say, orconsciousness and I went into

(32:32):
and I just had this littlemelody I was doing for guitar
practice and I thought she mightlike it.
So I went in this, my recordingroom, and I said, all right,
good spirits, help me get somegood energy across to Caitlin.
So I just played it.
It's about a 20 second clip andone part of it I stretch one of
the strings.
You know it gets kind of a hightone and so of course I
couldn't leave that alone.

(32:53):
After I sent it to her, sheliked it, by the way and then I
put it on the cassette tape andI'm I was down at golden gardens
on the beach.
I remember when I found this,that part where I stretched the
string, I get a dual directionmessage out of it where it says
Marianne, he loves you right,and I'm critiquing it, I'm
kicking its tires, I'm thinkingthat sounds like Median and the

(33:16):
he loves you is playing its dualdirection.
One direction says the Mariannebackwards.
The flip side of that is heloves you Right, and I and I I'm
just saying I was feelingaffection for her, so it kind of
fits.
But here's the thing it took metwo weeks Cause I kept saying
it's Mary Ann and then Irealized no, it's meaning to
tell me Mary Ann.

(33:36):
So I asked, I got my nerve upand I asked Caitlin.
I said, hey, does the name MaryAnn mean anything to you?
And she told me that that wasthe name she was given at birth
by her parents, but over theyears she had kind of an
estranged relationship.
She changed her name legallymany years before.

(33:58):
She also told me that the onlypeople that she could think of
that would call her Mariannewere her parents or her one
brother, all three who weredeceased for a number of years
at that point.
So I, you know I mean I grabbedthat name out of somewhere and
that's what I'm saying Getinformation that how would I
know?
Right, and you know, I'm notsaying I know that it was her
mother, father, brother or ablend of them, all you know in

(34:19):
the oneness.
Now I don't know.
It's interesting when you saybut I've gotten a lot of things
that way that are prettyperplexing.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
When you say that, uh , these messages when you're,
you know, just as that examplewhere you're, yeah, Can you hear
me?
Okay, are you still there?
I hear you, I got you.
You still got me, brian, brian,hello, did we lose you, brian?

(34:50):
I got you, hello, hello, hello.
Lose you, brian.
I got you, hello, hello, hello,Brian.
I guess we'll try calling him.
We got you, you're there.
Let's see, we'll call him backhere, see if we can get this
thing to connect in.
I'm not sure what happenedthere why we lost him.

(35:15):
Hi, this is brian jones, andyou've reached as we wait for
brian to call us back, it'sinteresting to me when you
listen to uh him speak inregards to his piece there,
where he was talking about howhe was able to disseminate that
information about her and herbiological name.
I'm I'm curious to find outwhat where that comes from.

(35:40):
Maria, yeah, I don't know whathappened.
I you were there, I could.
I could hear you this entiretime.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Oh really.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
I couldn't hear you.
So, before we lost you or youlost me, or however the case may
be, I was about to ask you aquestion In regards to you
putting that melody to send herthe vibe.
Where do you think that and Iknow were sharing it that you
didn't know any of that previousinformation about her changing

(36:13):
her name or anything of thatnature do you feel like, how
does that like, how does thatmake you feel, or sit with you
when you're you get these hiddenmessages, or these messages
listening to the audio?
What made you even think aboutlistening to the track backwards
and forwards to hear if therewas any hidden messages within

(36:34):
something that you were sendingto her?
I mean, how does that?
Is that something that youalways do?
In regards to that?
I mean it's curious because I'mlike wow, how did you find that
little nugget in there?

Speaker 3 (36:45):
oh, I, yeah, look, I would, as I used to jokingly say
, I used to analyze everythingin dual direction that moved or
didn't move.
I just did it because back toyou, know, and and I know I
mentioned guitar and I mentionedEddie Van Halen.
Trust me, I'm not a I'm not aguitar player, but I'm just
saying that concept that stuckin my mind about him was nine

(37:05):
hours a day just pushing it andpushing it, pushing it, and
obviously the guy developed avery unique skill that made him
world famous.
And not that I ever wanted tobe famous, I really have never
had that interest.
I'm just saying pushing theboundaries, just keep pushing it
.
Sometimes that's how you do it.
I mean like even mining forgold.
You know you chip away with apickaxe or whatever the heck

(37:27):
they do.
Sometimes you've got to do itfor years and years, and the
more you do it, the more chanceyou have of striking gold.
So that was it.
I was just every day of my lifeI mean I had a pizza delivery
job in the evening dinner timedeal and I'd already have like
nine or 10 hours in of racing tothe thrift store to get some

(37:48):
more electronics to dissect.
I mean when I say thousands ofhours, I'm just saying it was,
it was to me always.
I could always in my mind.
I never regret being thatobsessed with putting so much
time in, because even to thisday, I think it's mighty
important.
I mean, I used to watch I don'tknow if you're familiar with
the show that was roughly in1961, give or back, it was on

(38:13):
for a couple of seasons calledOne Step Beyond Some of the
stuff that they presented onthere.
Some of it may have been basedon documents you know
entertainment is they've got toembellish a lot, but that stuff
really just got to my core, likesome of these things just, you
know, really choked me up, likeyou'd see, these, these things

(38:34):
about how the spirit world,outside of this linear time
illusion we're living in, youknow, this short lived thing, uh
, the communication would reallybe very important, uh, for
really deep reasons, to a lot ofpeople.
That's why I was reallyobsessed with it and, like I
said, I've never lost interestin it.

(38:55):
I haven't had the energy toreally do it the last few years.
I'm dealing with some moreearthly things right now, on a
daily basis, and boy is thisworld complicated right now.
I've been around.
I was born in 62 and it'salways been complicated, but
there's a lot of informationcoming out right now that I
guess I'm, I probably I don'tknow maybe maybe some of the

(39:17):
stuff I've done helping me copewith it, but it's, it's hard to
decipher a lot right now, so Ihaven't had the energy to do it
much recently, but I uh anyway,and I want to say the thing that
you could not play just tellpeople and see were you.
Were you able to hear themessage as I had it labeled?
Can we talk about it?
I mean, yeah, we can.

(39:38):
Okay.
Yeah, were you able to hearthat message?

Speaker 2 (39:40):
because I've been told that one, just super clear
let me go back and pull up thosetwo pieces real quick.
When you were talking aboutthat tv show and some of these
things, for those who may youknow a lot of our listeners, who
were, you know, born after thethe this, now, this was a radio
show, right, is that?
Is that correct television.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
It was a one step beyond.
Yeah, it was, and and I mean Inever saw it till it was, you
know, 20 years into reruns.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
So it's still out there yeah, oh, so this went
against.
Uh, the was produced by thesame people that produced the
Twilight Zone.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Interesting, yeah, and it was about the same time
era too, yeah, late 50s, early60s.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Let me go back and let me pull up my emails real
quick and real quick.
Stand by.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
This is the one that you said you couldn't play
because of copyright.
It was a segment of Art Bell'sshow.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Oh yes.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Richard Hoagland.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, I did listen to that.
I did hear the message in thatone and I was like oh yeah, you
definitely can hear.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Yeah, I'd like to say just to kind of validate that
this is a valid way of gettinginformation in its own unique
way.
That was Richard Hoagland, onwith Art Bell in 1998, I think
it was and he's talking about.
They had a guy on there thatwas kind of trashing him on the
internet and Richard's callinghim on.

(41:03):
He says you know the things youhave called me on the internet
and he's talking about theseradio shows.
This guy had a little limelightthere for a short period of
time.
I never took him too seriously,but I'm not even going to
mention his name.
But Richard's calling him outfor trashing him on the internet
.
And right, when he says, forinstance, some material that was
sent to me, that phrase rightthere, material that was sent to

(41:26):
me and going in with a scalpel,it was material that was sent
to me and going in with ascalpel, it was material that
was sent to me.
Like cutting off the e at theend of me, right, you flip that
backwards and I've been toldthis one's super clear is this
message is a lawyer's right nowthat audio.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Where did you get that audio for?
Was that youtube?
Or where did you get that from?
Was that from?

Speaker 3 (41:45):
no, I actually I actually recorded.
I used to record the am radioonto cassette tape, got it and I
was look, I've actually got areversal on Art Bell from 1998.
I've got thousands of samples,but back to this one here
because I actually got directfeedback.
Are you familiar with whoRichard Hoagland is?

(42:06):
I don't even know if he's stillalive.
He was an absolute regularguest, very intelligent guy.
He was a science advisor toWalter Cronkite.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
I do remember Richard C Hoagland, but I don't know if
he's still alive.
That's a great question.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Yeah, it's funny that quarter century can get away
from you.
Looking back in time it's awhole new perspective for me.
But I actually had contact backand forth through email with
Richard's Enterprise Missionwebmaster, a guy named Mike
Barra, and I was so lit up whenI played that for a few friends.
I'm like man, that one's clear.

(42:44):
And this is the point I want tomake about pinpoint information
and how this backward speechcan work like like a folding
knife.
You know the backwards andforwards it makes a full
sentence.
So out of material that was sentto me I'll just keep the get
those front and back extras onthere.
The phrase he's talking aboutsomebody sending him information

(43:04):
exposing this other guy forwhat he's doing, you know,
trashing him on the internet,and so the the backwards phrase
was this message is a lawyer'sand to me, like I said, I think
you heard it too.
So I got Mike Barrett to talkto Richard about it and he said
that the material that was sentto him was sent to him by Peter

(43:25):
Gersten.
At the time his claim to fame,as well as being an attorney,
was was he was the UFO attorney,I forget for which outfit, but
if you think about it.
Material that was sent to mewas actually sent to him by an
attorney, and the flip side ofmaterial that was sent to me was
this message as a lawyer.
So I'm just saying that was apretty compelling thing to show

(43:47):
you that there's additionalinformation right there.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
That's like bullseye in fact, and when you listen to
that, because it was justregular speech between art and
richard c hoagland, uh, it'sinteresting that the underlying
tone of where you were able toget that information out of that
that piece, it's it's withinthe own, within its own.

(44:12):
I think what's interesting tome about this whole, this whole
piece, is that when you listento that piece, which we can't
play on the radio, um, is thatyou it's normal conversation for
those to paint the picture, asyou're saying that it's just a
regular conversation betweenrichard hoagland and art, and
then you were saying that it'sjust a regular conversation
between Richard Hoagland and Art, and then you were able to

(44:33):
disseminate through thatconversation, going backwards
and forwards, that information.
Now, how long does, typically,does it take you most of the
time?
I mean you're like going backand forth, like going through
this audio right to see ifyou're hearing anything, and I
can't even imagine how much timeis spent going through that you

(44:53):
know to get that piece.
Now, in your past research, haveyou ever gone down the realms
of some of these other people?
You're like I know you weretalking about earlier about how
you've talked to privateinvestigators or investigators
and things of that nature?
Have you ever taken audio fromlike you know, really you know,

(45:18):
I don't even know.
Let's, we'll just, for example,ted Bundy.
Have you ever taken audio fromTed and like disseminated and
gone through some of his stuffbefore to maybe help out again?

Speaker 3 (45:29):
I don't think I've ever analyzed any speech
recordings of ted bundy, but Idid that.
I did that with john wayne gacy.
We're talking about serialkillers with a right, pretty
pretty devilish, demonic, uhpretty creepy stuff, sure.
But do you remember?
Do you remember who john waynegacy was?

Speaker 2 (45:47):
yeah, I do.
He was a monster of allmonsters.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
He had some.
Really, I mean he, yeah, I'm,I'm, I'm not an educated
psychologist or anything likethat, I just, you know, go for
the simple communication, butbut uh, some of his reversals
were really bizarre.
He was taught calling himselfGodzilla backwards.
I mean, you know, uh, I'm just,yeah, I I'm not sure.

(46:12):
Remind me what your questionwas about that.
Oh yeah.
Not Ted Bundy, but I did.
I did do that to try to hearthe inner dialogue of some
pretty diabolical serial killersand and yeah, there's messages
in there, for sure, but, like Isaid, in fact, god, I can't even
remember what it was.
Yeah, charles Manson, thingslike that wasn't my favorite

(46:32):
thing, you know.
But but yeah, of course you canget messages out of everything.
And before I forget, I want tosay this because this is
something I tried to do at thetail end of my career, of
reaching out to people to try todo something practical.
Sure, I and I never a few, youknow, just in the last few years
, I think, uh, I said I kind oflet this die out for a while,

(46:52):
but I would always was thinkingI can get messages out of
squeaky door hinges and thingslike that.
The consciousness is carried inthere and I thought how perfect
would it be to analyze theincoherent sounds of somebody
that had a severe stroke, thatcould not articulate speech,
could not use.
Their hands are really bad, youknow.

(47:13):
They're frustrated, they'retrapped in a body and I thought
I wonder how sharp their mind is.
And they can't write with theirhand, they can't speak with
with their mouth their tongue.
Whatever you know, they can'tget the message across.
I thought how powerful it wouldbe if you could, because some
people come back from being thatdebilitated, especially with a

(47:35):
speech and everything, and evenparalysis, where it takes time,
but their brain reconfiguresitself, kind of like.
You know what do they call that?
The?
Uh, what's that term for?
Uh, the hard drive where youreformat yeah.
Something like that.
But no, there's another onedefragment, right, oh,
defragment, yeah, so.
So I.
But I had some ethics aboutthis sort of thing.

(47:58):
Not always, I mean, I was likeI didn't really get you know,
think of other people'ssensitivities and feelings about
it.
But when it came to the strokething I thought how devastating
that is for the person and theirfamily or caregivers or
whatever.
It's a pretty, prettydevastating thing.
So I never just went andgrabbed that stuff.

(48:18):
I went out of my way to joinFacebook pages for like support
groups for stroke patients andsurvivors and things and I said
does anybody have any interestin what I'm presenting here or
proposing?
I said and if not, where couldI get ethically obtain some

(48:39):
audio like I'm telling you veryimpaired speech?
And I struck out for a longtime, left it alone, went back a
couple years later and Iactually found a Facebook group
and put that proposal out there.
And somebody got back to me, guyin his 70s who had a stroke
himself.
He was pretty, pretty wellrecovered, probably had some

(49:00):
residuals.
I never really picked his brainabout that too much, but we
spoke on the phone and he and hesays, sure, I'll help you out.
He had a like a uh episodes onYouTube of a chat of like the
one that he, that he showed methat he said here's one for you
and he pointed to a certain manthat had what they call aphasia,

(49:21):
which I I guess is a certaincondition.
I couldn't tell you theclinical definition of it Bruce
Willis, I think, has that nowand um, so this man's name was
Ralph and, uh, he pointed tothis guy and I'll just say it
because this was public thing Uh, it was another guy that did
some television, acting, I think, and uh, he had a stroke and it

(49:46):
took away his you know life ashe knew it.
He could speak, but he and youcould hear what he was saying,
but he, he had this aphasiathing where it was.
He could not form senses,sentences correctly, like I
probably can't right now, butthe thing is uh.
So Ralph sent me one and I waseager to hear it.

(50:06):
It was a YouTube video and Ijust was listening to it while I
was driving with the headphoneson and I'm thinking, oh great,
here he's pointing to CarlMcIntyre, the one of the five
people in this group, and whenthis guy's talking there's a
static on the audio recording.
And I'm still frustrated from alot of things.
Over the years I was like, yeah, great, you know the audio's

(50:30):
impaired, so I come home withthat, put it on the PC where I
can use my audio editing, slowit down, and headphones.
You know, we've got a graph.
I can kind of dissect it evenmore.
I call it the audio microscope.
And I realized that that staticis only happening when Carl's
talking.

(50:50):
Okay, and within seconds Irealized it's got verbal
information within it and theone phrase that I got right away
, within minutes, was a phraseas Carl's talking over the top
of his voice.
Here's the statickyinterference and the phrase I
get is Carl was tough rider andI think that was a part of

(51:14):
himself, cause he's talking.
You know he's talking.
They're talking about how itaffected his life, having a
stroke and all that.
It was tough for him.
He was writing it out, as youknow.
But the whole thing is here'sthe static from an altered brain
putting out these strangesignals which are carrying
information, and so at thatpoint I point, I was really

(51:38):
excited.
I said, wow, this guy's goingto want to know about this.
So I got a hold of Ralph, Ipresented it, as you know,
clipped it out, slowed it down,presented it to him and I said,
ralph, check this out.
I said this is what that staticis.
Listen to this.
He said he could hear themessage, but he didn't know what
it meant and I said, well, yeah, I said listen, I got a lot to

(51:59):
say about this.
I said why don't you have me onone of your episodes and we'll
talk about it?
And I never heard from the guyagain and that I'm just saying
that's why that was kind of likethe final end of really trying
to reach out to others, becauseI can only go so far, as far as
doing anything really phenomenalto help people or breakthrough
or scientific discovery,whatever it is.

(52:22):
So that was kind of like thetail end of me reaching out to
people, and that was about fiveyears ago, I think.
But I just wanted to say thatthere's a lot of possibilities,
you know, like with the animalsand all that sort of thing or
the signal tower.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Sure I mean, and when you think about it there are,
you know, like with the animalsand all that sort of thing, or
the signal tower, sure I mean,and when you think about it
there are, you know thecommunication between you know
animals, different uh, ofdifferent species and whatnot,
whales having some type ofdialogue, uh, dialect of
language, uh with theircommunication?
um, I mean, you can go in somany different directions with
this, I mean oh yeah with the uhreal quick, with the energy

(53:00):
that you're talking about, uh,getting um, you know phrases and
words and things from.
You know the ambience of theair of of a room, um is quite
interesting to me, but that thatmust take time, brian, oh yeah,
hey, listen, I, I know I,that's.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
That's the other thing.
Yeah, I know I was extremelyobsessed and and, uh, I, I was
so enthralled, I mean, even whenI got out of seattle in 2015
and I moved to this little town.
I kept it going.
I really had to back off aboutI don know three or four years
ago, for the world really kindof hit the lightning round about
that time for me in myperspective.

(53:41):
But I, yeah, I was kind of Iwas kind of doing a lot of R and
D on credit cards.
So, yeah, I'm kind of catchingup on, I'm taking care of the
more earthly things.
Right now, I've got a, I've gota job.
I don't I don't have the timeand energy.
It was extremely, uh, time andenergy demanding and but I, I
was really pushing.
I want to say that, uh, yeah,I'll say about one thing that

(54:05):
was intriguing about animals,cause it's kind of standalone.
There's a lady in England that Igot to know through form boards
or whatever.
She's got a real talent withthis ITC thing.
I, you know, in some ways, I,you know, I can see why she, she
was frustrated because she meta lot of resistance too.
She came up with some prettycompelling things.
But she really loves animalsand she has wild foxes that come

(54:29):
in her yard and she feeds themand she sent me recordings of
foxes and I.
They have a really shrill,super high pitched voice.
I found out by slowing thatstuff way, way down.
I was getting phrases like fullsentences out of these foxes
and I ran them by Allison andshe says yeah, that totally

(54:49):
makes sense.
They were talking about therain and thanking her for taking
, you know, helping her.
I don't even know where thoseaudios are, but I'm just saying
it's.
It's pretty amazing.
What can be can be perceivedthis way.
You know, like I said for me.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
But uh, I mean, and what's interesting to me is the
research that you've done umwith within.
You know what you did when youfirst came on the show, you know
, years ago.
I can say that now, wow, that'scrazy to think that.
And then what you've done up tonow and, and you know, kind of
like revamping yourself, kind ofcontinuing your research with

(55:28):
this, with the, with new toolsets and things that, uh, you've
shared with us tonight, uh, youknow, a picture is here on the
stream.
If you're interested in watching, you, go to my website on
airmariocom and you can watchthe YouTube show right there.
Just click on it and you cansee the picture.
We'll have it also posted sothat you can see it in the

(55:50):
podcast as well.
If you're not a pop set, yeah,I can't even speak.
If you're not a podcastsubscriber, all you have to do
is go to your favoritepodcasting platform, search US
Phenomenon with Mario Magana, orgo to my website onairmariocom
and click on the podcast button,and then you can subscribe that
way as well.

(56:10):
Before we get out of here,brian, if someone was interested
in working with you, wherewould you tell them to go?
Would you want them to contactus?
Would you want them to directlyreach out to you?
What would you say to someoneout there who is very curious
and intrigued or interested incontacting you?

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Well, I'd give out my email address right here and,
like I said, said if they preferto contact you, since you kind
of made that offer, yeah, anyway, yeah, if somebody's
serious-minded uh had you know,I mean, like I said, I'm not
looking to do this for kicks oror anything like that, but but,
uh, I certainly have learned alot and I've got a lot of
pointers and I, if somebodyreally had a passion for

(56:55):
something, I'd certainly givethem some pointers from my, from
my experience.
But my, if you don't mind, I'llgive you my, my email address,
my main email address, which isinventor I N V E N T O R.
Two zero one, two at yahoocom.
I've had that one forever, waybefore 2012, which came and went

(57:16):
.
But, uh, and and if I'd like toask you this were you able to
hear the that really kind ofsqueaky, growly, uh sound, that,
the phrase that I, that I hadlabeled as the hours with you?
We are glad were you able tomake that out?

Speaker 2 (57:33):
I didn't.
Let's play it real quick.
Let's play it.
I didn't.
Yes, I mean, that is very thatis like clear as day when you
listen to that I thought so too.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
But hey, I just want to say this there are things to
me that are clear as anything,unmistakable and other people
cannot hear them.
Just like the marian, somepeople cannot phonetically hear
that.
In fact, a lot of that stuffthey can't.
That's why the Richard Hoaglandone I got kind of a consensus
that people were like whoa, thatis really clear.

(58:06):
But I can't tell, because thereis a psychic component.
You know, yes, audio, that'swhy I say audio psychic.
But that one right there, Ijust want to say it is clear 's
very it's very, it's 14 hoursback and you know that was about
2002.
Also somewhere right after mydad had passed on and I had

(58:26):
moved into his house with mybrother and I was.
I remember that day I found apiece of uh, copper thin sheet
of of flashing out from thebackyard and I spent hours and
hours I sanded it, I cleaned it,made it shiny and I made a
chamber like a pod an acousticpod out of it, made this
platform.
I still have this thing.

(58:47):
It's inside.
Another thing.
I spent two months building nowbut that very day and while I
was doing it I was like allright spirit, like really
friendly reach, and I go.
I know you guys want me to keepdoing this, cause you want to
get you know, you want to beable to communicate and for
people to hear you and thingslike that.
And it was for, I thought, of apositive purpose.

(59:07):
So 14 hours into it I did thatrecording and what that is right
there, because I know I'm partof the circuit.
You know that's kind of how itgoes, but that right there was
me.
I wetted the tip of my fingerand I had set the lead crystal
stemware wine glass on top ofthis acoustic chamber.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
And I just was running my finger around the rim
of the glass and it morphedinto that Our guest this evening
, brian Jones hanging out withus.
Oh, hey, listen, are you?

Speaker 3 (59:44):
there.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Yes, I can hear you.
I don't hear you again.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
And here's another thing when just even discussing
this can bring up this verystrange energy that can
interfere with electronics, eh,Well, I guess that might be the
case.
I didn't think it would happenagain today.
I don't know if you can hear meor not, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Yeah, I can hear you, Brian.
I'm not sure how we lost youknow what.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Maybe I better hang up again and you can give me a
call back, or if we're closeenough to the end.
Mario, I'll just say thank youfor having me on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Because I know we're getting to the top of the hour.
We are close to the end.
I'm going to hang up and shecan call me back okay, let's
call him right back so we canwrap this thing up from the
Pacific Northwest.
Quite interesting to see thatus getting some type of spirit
or some type of interference inregards to the connectivity

(01:00:37):
between us and Brian.
So, Brian, welcome back to theshow.
Are you there?

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Oh yeah, I'm here, can you hear me now?

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Oh yeah, it's interesting how we're as we're
getting close.
I was just.
You know you were sharing thisstuff about the wine glass.
We had all of that stuff down.
I wanted to play the audio onemore time before we wrap things
up from the Pacific Northwest.
Just to kind of, is that audiothree?
Here we go, let's play this one.
Play it one more time.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Oh, I have a feeling.
A feeling, oh you're there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Okay, good, so as we get close to wrapping things up,
if you're interested in workingwith brian or you want to
contact him, you can email brianor you can contact us and we
can get you in communicationwith him.
Uh, give your email out onemore time as we wrap things up
sure it's uh inventor 2012 atyahoocom.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
And and if I could just say one last thing real
quick, because people might findfind this intriguing about the
interference with electronicsand things- yeah.
It's not spooky.
I've never had anything.
I mean, look, this isn't whatbrought up like dark forces
around.
They're all around us all thetime.
Some of them are pretty active,so it's never been a problem.
But I've had some strangephenomenons happen and I'll just

(01:02:12):
tell you one of them.
It's happened twice or threetimes since I've been in this

(01:02:40):
little town here, which is Ihave a bunch of all my digital
clocks like that that you cannotunplug for half a second
running exactly two minutesbehind time, and I I set my
clocks that way using my phoneuh, like you wouldn't believe
meticulously.
So somebody's trying to get myattention sometimes.
It hasn't happened for a whilebecause I let this stuff kind of
subside.
So I just wanted to say thatthey affect electronics, I think

(01:03:01):
trying to get your attention.
And if you think about thatphrase right there, that was a
14 hour day Me talking saying Iwant to help bring a way of
bridging this communication andthe fact is, like the hours with
you, we are glad.
You know it's like some, youknow the cheering section from
the other side, I think, lettingyou know that they appreciate

(01:03:21):
it our guest this evening.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Uh, brian, thank you so much for hanging out with us
as we wrap things up oh yeah,from real pleasure, thank you uh
, it's always a pleasure someonewho is a fellow uh of Art Bell
AB.
As we wrap things up from thePacific Northwest, if you'd like
to be in contact with Brian,you can send him an email.
We'll have his informationposted in the podcast.

(01:03:45):
Go to my website onairmariocom.
Click on the podcast button tosubscribe or send me a text
775-990-5151.
As we wrap things up from thePacific Northwest, I'd like to
thank our guest Brian again.
From my entire team MarkChristopher, sophia Magana and

(01:04:05):
myself, mario Magana.
Be sure to look up at the skybecause you never know what you
might see.
Good night.