August 29, 2023 • 33 mins
I've started to notice some trends of things people get confused about. In Ep#47 we're going to have a look at why V4V is not all or nothing, divorcing it from Bitcoin/Podcasting 2.0 and why it might not work for everyone.
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Kyrin Down (00:00):
Are you confused about V 4 V
then let me cleara couple of things up.
Welcome everyoneto another episode
of the Valuefor Value Podcast.
My name is Kyrinyour host.
I am also the hostof the Mere Mortals Podcast,
but this is the one
where we look at digitalcontent creators
(00:22):
and how they can helpconnect people
with the audience
and also monetiseat the same time.
So I will just reiteratethat I am live here
on a Wednesday at 10 a.m.
Australian EasternStandard Time.
If you ever feel like
joining melive for these things.
And I just wantedto talk today
about some commonmisconceptions
that I've been seeing.
(00:43):
So there's three thingsthat really jump out at
me, and I wanted to,I suppose,
addressthese and just reiterate
why value for valueis not these things,
because it is easyto get confused
because it is a ratherconfusing subject,
but hence whywe have this podcast here.
So I'm going to go onto the first one,
which is V for Vis all or nothing.
(01:05):
And I've kind of seen this
a lot of timeswhere people would say,
Yeah,well it's not easy for V
if you're
doing advertisingor it's not V for
V, if you're not doingthis portion of the show
and connecting the
feedback loopand all of these things,
I think that's helpful
in a very, very,very small regard.
(01:28):
But it's very easyto get trapped into,
I suppose like a leadism or thinking,
okay, this is the wayit has to be done.
And so there's no doubtit works best
if your productor your show optimises
for it, much like it worksbest for advertising.
If your show is builtaround
being a showfor advertising,
if you leave a break in
(01:50):
the middle of the showwhere it's, you know,
this is wherethe ads would fit in or
you create it sothat you have like a host
rating at the start
or at the end,because, you know,
this converts to moresales, this sort of thing.
Well,
I think the value forvalue is much the same.
So this is where
you will do
the thingslike acknowledging
the peoplewho have supported you
and you know, where do youdo this in the show?
(02:11):
Well, it doesn't
particularly matter or itmaybe it does matter,
but you can experimentand try and find that out.
And so I've come up
with a little bitof a spectrum here,
which I think goes from,
I suppose, the
the way that you wouldmonetise your show,
I guess for in the mostkind of dispassionate
(02:33):
disconnectaway from your audience
all the way to probablythe most connected,
which I would sayis value for value.
So I would go
something like this,you know, you would have
dynamic dynamically add
ad insertionsinto your show.
So there's justrandom things popping up.
Mid-way through your show,
you could havethen the host raid
and then it wouldmaybe be something like
(02:54):
an integrated sponsorship.
Then it wouldmaybe be something like
It's your own business.
So you're providing a
a product
which you have createddirectly to your audience,
so you know all about it.
Then it might be something
like the paywalland Patron.
This is where you'rereally tipping over in
to the listenersupporter side of things.
Then it'd be something
like Buy me a coffee,
and then probablyright at the end
(03:15):
you would have valuefor value.
And so you could kind ofsee that, well,
it's, it's, it'ssort of a spectrum
with value for value.
The purest
form of being allthe way at the end. But
you can have it
anywhere and inserted any,
any way along thispoint of things.
So there's no reasonthat you can't have
(03:36):
an ad supported showas well as being able to
to do value for value.
And so I would actually
just recommendchecking out any of the
Jupiter Broadcasting showsbecause Chris Fischer
has been doing thisa fair bit.
You know,he has had advertisers for
quite a long while withwith his different shows,
but he has also very muchembraced the value
(03:56):
for value
mentality, the mindset,and he gets it
and he's doing themat the same time.
There's no reasonthat you can't do both.
He probably does itthe most smoothly
out of any of the shows
I've seen,which has advertising, and
there'smany examples of of others
where they will haveit enabled perhaps,
(04:18):
but they don't reallytalk about it so much.
And this would besome of the large
Bitcoin podcasts,for example, because
this is getting ontothe second point of
why V4V is not Bitcoin.
That you can kind of seethey haven't enabled.
You can send themmessages,
you can boost themin money
directly to the show, butthey never talk about it.
(04:41):
They never acknowledge it.
And so this is where,you know,
you can still say thatit's value for value.
Are they optimisingfor it?
Is it
the perhapsbest experience
like we've talked about
with the feedback loops,like we've talked
about connectingwith your audience,
like we've talkedabout why
it issuch a special feeling?
No, obviously not.
(05:01):
And obviously the
the gainsthat they will get for
that is not as strongas it is when you
acknowledge a boostagramand things like this.
So, yeah,I would just say,
you know, value for value,it's not all or nothing.
You don't have to be100% gung ho about it.
You don't have to be 100%.
This is the only way thatit's done.
(05:23):
You have to dothe feedback.
You have to read out
my messages,that sort of thing.
No, it's very muchan optional point,
but it is notit's not like you have to
completely, radicallyalter your whole show.
For example,
if you've found outabout this concept
and you want totry it out,
but you're
you're kind of like, Oh,
(05:43):
but I don't want
to do a segmentwhere I, I talk about
the listeners or I don'twant to read out emails.
I don't want to doall of these things.
It's like,okay, that's fine.
You can just experiment
with it,
have it in the background
and you can do otherthings at the same time.
So that's probably
the first misconceptionI want to talk about,
which I mentioned Bitcoin,and this leads us
(06:05):
onto the next one,which is that
value forvalue is not Bitcoin.
Now I can kind ofget this one
why peoplemight think this because
a lotof people were introduced
to value for value viathe payment mechanism,
this being
the Lightning Network
and being able to giveand receive Satoshis
directlywithin the podcasting
(06:26):
apps becauseof this whole ecosystem
that isgrowing up from it.
And if you want to know
more about that,go back to any of the
aspects of I suppose,like this whole season,
to be honest,like episode 42,
the emergenceof podcasting 2.0
or the micropaymentsin the episode
after that, the boostagrams, you know, there's
episode 44, there'squite a few ones there.
(06:48):
If you want to jump backinto those.
I think it's good to goback to especially that
micropayments episodebecause
you could hear metalk about in that episode
how this is notjust related to Bitcoin.
That protocolallows any cryptocurrency
to be used and even Fiatand if you really want it
(07:09):
to, but it's more just arepeople building on that?
Do people actually wantto use it this way? And so
we can see,
okay, the adoption isvery much for bitcoin, but
there's no reasonit can't be other things.
And so there's thistherefore doesn't mean
that value valueis Bitcoin like it own.
(07:31):
It's only value for value.
If if someone sends
through a paymentin bitcoin wrong.
We can see thiswith no agenda.
Once again,
the people who AdamCarrion, John C Dvorak,
who created the valuefor value model,
they were doing it
through PayPal foreverfor ages,
and they were even evenusing cash, for example.
They would,
they would give you
an addresswhere you could send
(07:51):
in a cash donationif you wanted to.
So and peoplewould do that.
So we can definitely see.
All right,it's not just Bitcoin
unless a variationof this, I think, is also
just focusing too muchon the money aspect of it.
You know,
remember, value for value
is time, talentand treasure.
So the time and talent, a
(08:12):
pretty big aspects of thisand it is
very, veryI suppose, important to,
to realise like, you know,
the moneyside of things is great,
but there's alsoall of these other aspects
of people being ableto help you of it.
You know,if you wanted to say
you want to doyou know your v4 V
your all or nothing in
(08:33):
and your V for Vall or nothing Bitcoin
and you know,what's the best way
to actuallyget more people
sending stuffin while it's
probably for themto actually be sharing
about the show as wellto their friends, it's
probably of creating
a better product by them,
helping you outwith a talent
that they have thatyou don't have. And so
this is where youcan see, you know, if you
(08:53):
if you focus on the moneyaspect of it
too much,you're going to leave.
Actually, funnily enough,
a lot of moneyon the table
because your showwon't be as popular,
because it won't grow,
because you won't havethis,
you know,
people helping you outvoluntarily
for two to creating ita better product.
And then I think alsoalong this vein, all along
(09:16):
this kind of fee for Vis Bitcoin
sort of vein is it'salso not podcasting 2.0.
So if you want tohighlight one app
or one method of peoplesupporting you
exclusively,
I think that's probablythe wrong way
to go about itpreferentially is probably
I think that's okay.
You know, if you'regiving advice, saying,
(09:38):
for example,for this show,
I usually just recommendany of the podcasting
2.0 apps or I recommendgoing to memorials,
podcasts, dotcom slash support,
because thereI have a full description
of how you can do it
in basically any of thevarious different ways.
And I think that's okay.
But I'm not going to ever
(09:58):
just exclusively say like,now here's one
one hip thing I hear,for example, all the time
a fountain go to fountainand, you know, send
do value for valuethrough there
as if that's the only onethat you can do.
And yeah, I think that'sthat's probably
the one
wrong way to go about it
because thingschange over time.
(10:19):
And this is whereit's like
unless you're keeping ontop of it constantly
and consistently, it'sprobably going to change.
And then, you know,
if you're still repeating,you know, value for
value is only donethrough through fountain,
and then Fountain goes down the service, break the,
you know,the developers decide
(10:40):
they want to move on
to something differentor they do something
with the appthat you don't enjoy
or your show gets kickedoff of there.
You know, for example,they could do that.
If they want to do that,it's their application.
They they get to choose
what is, isand isn't on there.
You know, thenthen you might be just
have dug yourself a holewhich is is hard
(11:02):
for your audience to know.
Oh, there's other options
to help support this show.
So that was the the secondcommon misconception
I really see
kind of being toutedaround that value
for value is only donethrough Bitcoin.
This is incorrect.
And then the last oneis that
I guess that people
won't give me moneyvoluntarily.
So this is kind of aabout what
(11:24):
I guess the misconception
is value for valuedoesn't work. You know,
that's probably thebiggest one to be honest.
And you can kind of seethis where it requires a
I suppose,
a lot
of trustfrom your audience
and you have to involveyourself with them.
So if there'sno connection
to your audience,to your listeners,
(11:47):
you won't get
your thousand true fans,you won't get that
that aspect of being ableto support yourself
in perhaps a more fulltime manner from that,
which is, okay,maybe you don't want that.
You know, probablyanother misconception
is that value for valuesfor everyone.
I don't think that's true.
(12:07):
I think a lot of peoplewouldn't find it
on this 1000 true fans
topic.
So this is a a idea,I guess, created by Kevin
Kellyquite a few years ago.
And it was basicallyjust saying,
you know,
if you area creator of some sort
and this is not related
to podcasting,
(12:27):
this was probably more
actually aimedat artists or
writersor things like this.
He was saying,if you find a thousand
people who are willingto send you, you know,
$10 a month,that is $10,000
a month, that is,you know,
well, what's that,120,000 over a year?
That is more than enough
(12:47):
to support your lifestyle,to support you, be able
to live in the worldand create things.
So so really,
you only need to finda thousand people
who are willingto give you $10 a month.
Or you could even,you know,
make it less than that.
If you
if they're willing,you know, $5 a month,
that's still 60 granda year.
That's that'sstill enough to live on.
And so this is where hehe was saying, you know,
(13:10):
the thing with thisso is you have to be
deeply connectedwith these fans
because people won't just
voluntarily give up fiveor $10 a month
if they're not gettingsomething out of it.
And so how do you connectpeople with those fans?
Well,you have to kind of be
in there interactingwith them. You have to
(13:31):
go the extradistance to call them out,
to acknowledge them,to thank them.
So it's very much a valuefor value concept.
And he was just saying,you know,
a lot of peopledon't want this.
A lot of peoplejust want to
focus on their art,the creation of music
or a podcast or a bookor whatever it is,
and they don't wantto actually dive
(13:52):
into the trenches
of building a community,of interacting directly
one on one.That's not their skill.
So they don't enjoy doingthat.
They, you know,they would prefer
that to havethat does as a distance
allow Joe Rogan,for example,
he very rarely interacts
directlywith his audience.
And this is where you cango, okay, you know,
(14:14):
that's that's fine.
You know,value for value is not
not for everyone. And
this,I guess, is also that
if you don't think it
works there,
there is a kindof psychology behind this
and this is whereyou can go.
I you know,
I can expect it to workwithout asking.
For example,people will just do it.
(14:35):
Well, nothing functionslike that.
Why why would thisyou know,
if you don't askfor help from people,
that they're probablynot going to do it.
Almost certainlynot going to do it
unless you get to
a ridiculous,ridiculous level
and you can
just put up a donation
link on your Twitteror something like that
and then thenit will happen.
But there wasthis guy, for example.
(14:58):
It was ait was a year ago.
I can't remember his name.
It's probably not worthrepeating.
And he was on Twitter
and he was complainingabout this.
He was saying,
you know, value for valuedoesn't work.
I tried it out for,
you know, three weeksor something like this.
And my you know,
your audience is in
gratefulthey're not going to
send you moneyvoluntarily.
(15:19):
You have to basicallyforce it out of them.
You have to wring itout of them
like they're a wettowel and
and really apply pressure.
And you have to do thisvia pay paywalls.
You have to do this
by providing extra contentbehind a paywall,
which only then arethey willing to do it
and thissort of thing. And
(15:39):
what younotice about that is
probably he didn't trywith with the intent of
of really going at it,
doing it over three weeks,you're unlikely to
to start establishing theit takes time too
to really get peoplein the habit of of helping
to support you,of acknowledging
and understandingwhy this is important.
(16:00):
And honestlyI just thought
he was probably
a little bit cynicalabout humanity.
This very zerosum ideas of
I've got to get my peacethinking or mentality,
whereas value for valueis very much more a
you know, it'snot a non-zero-sum game.
If, if you providesomething,
people will send you moneyand they will feel good
(16:22):
about it and it will,you know, expand
the pie ratherthan you having to kind of
steal itfrom other people.
It's it's
kind of it's
kind of a feelinglike, oh,
I need to get that moneyout of my audience
to to just, you know,grab it from them.
And that requiresa bit of force
because there's only
a certain amount of moneyin the world.
And I think I thinkthat sort of mentality,
(16:43):
if thatis the way that you think,
you're not going to dowell with value for value.
And this is wherevalue for values
is probablynot not suited for you.
My last little onehere was a story I had of
it depends on whattype of fans and people
that you attract as well
and that you wantto attract.
(17:04):
And so there was this.
I've told you storiesbefore about how
when I was firstpodcasting,
I was connectingwith other podcasters.
I was sending themmessages up via Instagram.
I was leaving them
nice, nice reviewsof their podcast on iTunes
because, you know,when you
that'swhat people seem to want,
even though it doesn'treally do anything.
(17:24):
And what was happeningwas that
I would listento the podcast,
but even if I didn'tparticularly enjoy it,
I would still leavea nice review.
I would still findsomething
nice to say about it,you know?
Is that ethical?
I have
I don't know
if I look at itmore now and I'm like,
it was kind oflike a little bit
(17:45):
I probably should havejust if I didn't like that
one, justjust pass on and move on.
But whatever. That wasjust the way I do things.
And I'm like an I'man optimistic person.
I like to to, to saynice things or, you know,
even if
the whole thing is bad,
I tryand focus on the positive.
I don't like sayingI don't like being me.
Anyway,
that was this podcast,which was all about
(18:06):
kind of Jeffrey EpsteinAnd you know,
this was back in2020 or perhaps even 2019.
And so JeffreyEpstein was a was a big
it was not as biga scandal as it was
when it first came out,
but it wasstill just like, you know,
this guy's a paedophile,this guy's
blah, blah, blah.
And it was this podcastof these two women.
(18:28):
And they were very bitter.
They werethey were very kind
of cynical,snarky, sarcastic. Nick
seemed to have hada relatively popular show.
I'm just from the media
thingsthat I could see about it
and I left a review and
I just let them knowabout that.
I was like, you know,Hey girls,
(18:49):
I enjoyed this aspectof your podcast.
You know, kudos.
Keep going at it.
And the responseI got back
was, Didyou just call us girls?
And I was like, Yes.
And then they just send mea link to something
about saying how referringto women as girls is
(19:10):
misogynistic,is the patriarchy
or something like
that just went like,
Jesus Christ,if this is how
you interactwith someone who's
trying to be nice to youwith, you know what?
What kind of reactions
are you going to get
if you want those peopleto help you out
in the future?
And the obvious answer ispeople like me
(19:32):
would would go these what?
How like how gratefulcan you be?
How rude can you be?
And so this is definitelya show where it's like,
okay,they should probably not
be doing value for valuebecause they
obviously don't have the,
you know, requisite,
you know,what would I call it,
(19:53):
portion of humanity.
The the
thinking that is required,the appreciation
that is requiredof your audience to,
to do something like that.
And so, you know,
good values of valuework with them
and and the type of peoplethat are
probably attractedto that show.
I would probably say no.
And so that is whereit's like,
okay, is value for valueeveryone is value
(20:15):
for value going to workfor everyone?
Probably not.
It's probably best
that they findsome other way of
of supporting themselves.
So yeah,
those were probablythe three misconceptions
that I seethe most popping up
value for valueis is all or nothing.
I think that's incorrect.
Value for valueis only bitcoin.
That is definitelyincorrect
and value for valueis going to work
(20:37):
for everyoneor it won't work
A value for value doesn'twork. Incorrect.
It it does work.
But you do have to have
the right mentality for itand the right,
I suppose,
portion of thinking ofof of how you can do this.
So yeah, those aresome misconceptions.
Cleared up. Bam, bam, bam.Thank you, ma'am.
And I probably shouldn'tsay ma'am, should I?
(20:59):
And so that isit for for today's topic.
Let's jump onto some toGraham's from last week.
So, Mr.
Adam, Curry, please.
Take it way.
Adam Curry (21:11):
Welcome to the value for value, Boosta
Gram Lounge.
Kyrin Down (21:19):
Okay, so last week was a was a great week.
I really enjoyeddoing that episode,
which I also recordedwith the video and
you know, it was a goodreaction from that one.
One thingI do want to acknowledge
and thank
just beforeI get into the people
who who sent in some boostagrams
was I'm not greatat social media.
(21:39):
I don't enjoy spendingmy time hanging out there.
It's very much, for me,a kind
of promotional activity.
I put it out there,
I blast it out,and if people
comment and reply,that's awesome.
I will tryand get to that.
But it's not it's nota place I voluntarily go.
And so,
you know, it's very,very much
appreciated to everyonewho shared the link to
(22:01):
to yet to do that
kind of work for me
because I'm not goingto build up
a 100,000 or a millionfollower base or anything
because I just don'tuse them that way.
I'm not going to createsomething like that.
Peoplefind that interesting.
It is going to be prettymuch a like
an informational alertsystem.
Hey, I'm going live forhey, I've done this thing.
(22:22):
Check it outif you want to.
So very much, very muchappreciate it to everyone
who who kind ofdid that work for me.
You know, talkingabout time and talent
of of sharing the show
and doing that super,super appreciated.
I even got a commentfrom void zero
on the YouTube video,which is super cool.
So that's it'sjust interacting
(22:43):
with these peopleI've heard about
and never had the chanceto interact with directly.
So super, super cool.
Let's get into some value
for value and some boosts.
And these were actuallycoming through live.
I can't rememberif I mentioned
them at the time,so I think I did.
But Booburry,he sent it to
which one was 1770, 76.
(23:04):
I guess that's likea big liberty boost.
And he was sayingSplitsville life. Yes.
And he said,Is there a chat room for
another eight,eight, eight, eight?
And once again, no, notas of this exact moment.
SomethingI got to work on.
Yeah,I've had a big week and
I've I've got some
family stuffgoing on as well, which,
(23:25):
which needs addressing.
So yeah, that allthat's taken up my time.
I've got another one herefrom Anonymous
saying the chapter images
really helpwith the explanations.
3333 Sat-Sunusing pod verse.
Thank you very much Mr.
Anonymous,if you want your name
highlightedand I put all of these
on the main modelspodcast dot
com slashsupport website as well.
(23:47):
We have a big list
of their of everyoneand anonymous ones
gets chuckedinto the memorial at the
the kind of representationof all
the unnamed peoplewho help support us.
So just a recommendationif you do want
a call out in particularplease please
let me knowand I will do that.
But yeah,
(24:09):
the chapter imagesI that's why I do them.
I think it was definitelyfor that type of episode,
which is a how to one
is worth checking out.
And soif you are listening
just by now,
I would recommend
getting a podcasting app
where you can seethe images
becauseI do put things in.
There'sthe one for this episode
is probably slightlyless helpful,
but once coming
(24:30):
up in the future,
I'm going to do a one onstatistics next episode.
And so that's going to
have all sorts of graphs,all sorts of things.
That's definitely onewhere you want to have
a podcasting app where yousee chapter images.
I could recommend
a fountain,
definitely, and Breezedefinitely Podcast is
pretty goodand I think cosmetic.
(24:51):
I haven't
actually check that out,but those those ones
pretty solid.
And then the final one
here, the big baller boostfor this week was Nick
sorry Nickmaster from Fountain
and he says great tutorialKaren
you're always so quickto start
exploringthe new developments
within podcast
and 2.0
and youreducational content
is incredibly importantfor sharing it with others
(25:12):
in a waythat's easy to understand.
For anyone listening,
I highly recommend
watching the videoon YouTube too.
And then you send a big20,000 sets with his own
app or fountain.
So yeah.Thank you very much, Nick.
I do, yeah.
This is one of those showswhere
I wouldn't sayI do content
which is non evergreenthat often.
(25:33):
I would preferto talk about things
which you could come backto 510 years later.
But this is one
where it's like, yeah,
this iswhat people need to know
about whythis is important.
So yeah,
I am willing to putin the kind of ground work
and keep ontop of these things.
So I do appreciate that.
And the linkfor the YouTube video,
I'll put it in the show
notes as well,but it'll be in the
(25:54):
the chapter
Chapter links once again,another good reason to
get a podcasting 2.0 up
so that withthe boost for this week.
Thank you very mucheveryone.
Once again this is goingto help support this show
help support thethe hosting costs of this
and is also beingaccumulated with the Me
(26:14):
and models podcastyou know brand I guess.
And so for everyone,
if you reacha 100,000 limit,
we send youa memo to shirt.
So I think Nickwill be getting no,
I'm not sure how closehe will be.
It's probablyabout halfway there now.
I think so, Yep.
Just a recommendationas well.
A little incentive therefor you to
to boostin a little bit more.
(26:34):
And once again,
I really doappreciate that
and I really would justrecommend that, you know,
I was proudof that episode
about the valuefor value music.
So now and the
and the kind of how toand and how to access it
for both musiciansand for listeners.
So I would definitelyjust recommend
sharing that on withsomeone if you think this
this wouldbe useful for them.
(26:57):
So that is the Boostagram lounge for this week.
Thank you very much.
And my tips section.
This one'snot a two solid one.
It's kind of just likethis is all subjective.
It's just like there'sno hard
and fast ruleswith value for value.
There's no encode of,
you know, writtenin the Tablet of Solomon
or of the tablet of AdamCurry and Jack'd.
(27:21):
There's nothing like that.
It's there's
there's
a lot of informationand I'll get on to one
of those in a second.
But you know,this show as well,
this is it's one of thosemoving things which is
not that it'sit's so easy to
to grasp itin a simple manner.
You know, I provide value
(27:42):
and then you provide itback.
What's what can besimpler than that?
But the nuances,the details,
the misconceptions,all of that sort of thing,
you know,
if you've gotsomething wrong,
if you've heard hearsomeone else
saying something wrong,it's like, it's okay.
It's it's just this is
this is
a natural order of things
and you just got to getused to it and
and just try and educateus as best as you can.
(28:03):
And, and talkingabout education.
So for my app or servicehighlight this week,
I would recommendchecking out
value for value dot info.
So this is a website
I believe created by Adam
Curryand it's got a lot of
interesting information
here on the valuefor value philosophy.
And I would just saythis is a great website
(28:24):
for those who prefer textbecause it's all
pretty much text based.
It's got,
you know, pieces writtenby different people.
It's got,
you know,the rough numbers,
got the philosophy,it's got some guides from
pop verse, fountainand podcast index.
It's got how you cancontribute to
(28:46):
learning more about valuefor value,
about podcasting, 2.0,that sort of thing.
So yeah, I would justrecommend checking out
that if you are
or if you knowsomeone who is more of a
a learn viathe text method of reading
rather than listening,which you know, I,
I'm not greatat writing things out,
which is
why I do podcastingand so this is just a
(29:08):
great thing for those whoperhaps would not get
much benefit from
from my show,from an audio one,
but they would getsomething
text based, you know, goto a value value for value
info with the number fourbeing being in there.
And yeah, I would justrecommend that.
And then finally, valuefor value,
(29:28):
my last segment here where
I give 15% to someonewho I think is worthy of
of of a Colletteand it's going to be
maybe an unexpectedone this week
and I'm going to send 15%to comic strip
blogger CSB
and this guy So
for those who
don't know whocomic strip blogger is,
(29:49):
he has been followingno agenda.
The, you know,
Adam Curry's stufffor a long, long time.
And this guy isjust so consistent
with his supportevery week.
And it's not justthe consistency, it's the,
the highlighting of it
of, of making sure itactually goes through of,
you know, on the podcast
and to pointI show his the delimiter
(30:09):
because he comes inevery single week
you know
with the same amount
or even increasesthe amount over time
with a long detailedthought out message.
And just from my,
you know, random
interactions with him,I don't know him.
I have barely interactedwith him.
But what I would just sayis, you know,
he always seems to be outand about trying
(30:31):
to help educateother people
and promoting valuefor value.
The several of my points
today were either surfacedor influenced by him.
The the one about
whichone was the Bitcoin one.
You know, he washe brought this up
on the Mastodon chatnot too long ago, which
helped give me the ideafor this episode.
(30:52):
So I do just want toacknowledge people who are
doing great things for
for value, for value
and helping to educateand promote.
And I think he's
definitely worthyof a call out
and some recognition.
So 15% of today'sepisode goes
to comic strip blogger.
And I thinkand very much for his work
and everythingthat he's doing
and I'm going to leave itthere for today.
(31:14):
Thank you, everyone,
for joining the Valleyfor Valley Show.
You might have heard,like I'm
a little bitsick this week.
I was at a wedding,a little, lost
a whole lost from Thursdaytill Monday.
So has been a very,very big, long, stressful
week for me.
So this was a bit of
a shorter episode and onewhich was just kind of
(31:36):
an ease in back, backafter a pretty hectic
time for me.
So I do want to just thank
everyone value for value.
What is the best thingthat you could do for me?
You know, what it wouldbe for this week is just,
you know, help educate andand let
another podcaster knowabout value for value.
(31:56):
So you can do this by
sending them a messagedirectly, asking them
if there is a way to helpsupport them directly.
You know,
if they
do have a patron
on a PayPal,you can maybe say,
I don't like usingthat way.
Is there
a way of doing it,you know,
through a
direct contributionto a PayPal account or,
(32:18):
you know, just maybe
if you thinkit's it's worthwhile
and if you think the ideaswould be amenable
to them
moving them on that scalethat I provided
further awayfrom perhaps advertising
and more to be
the full value for valueand or some sort
of small highlightsor something like that.
But yeah,
I definitely thinkthat value for value
(32:40):
does workfor a lot of people,
will workfor a lot of podcasters
and other digital contentcreators.
And yeah,
I just the more peoplethat know about it
who get to experience it,I think the better it is
for everyone because it isdefinitely, I think the,
the more ethical way of,
of, of creating a showat least personally.
(33:01):
So I'm going to leave itthere for today.
Thank youeveryone, for joining in.
As I mentioned,next week's
episode is all
going to be aboutstatistics and some stats.
This willbe from podcasting,
hosting companies.
This will be about
how much valueis actually flowing
through the value
for value
method using Bitcoin
with the way thatwe can actually see it.
So yeah, definitely oneto keep an eye out
(33:24):
on for next week.
So until then,chao for now, Kyrin out.
Are you confused about V 4 V
then let me cleara couple of things up.
Welcome everyoneto another episode
of the Valuefor Value Podcast.
My name is Kyrinyour host.
I am also the hostof the Mere Mortals Podcast,
but this is the one
where we look at digitalcontent creators
(00:22):
and how they can helpconnect people
with the audience
and also monetiseat the same time.
So I will just reiteratethat I am live here
on a Wednesday at 10 a.m.
Australian EasternStandard Time.
If you ever feel like
joining melive for these things.
And I just wantedto talk today
about some commonmisconceptions
that I've been seeing.
(00:43):
So there's three thingsthat really jump out at
me, and I wanted to,I suppose,
addressthese and just reiterate
why value for valueis not these things,
because it is easyto get confused
because it is a ratherconfusing subject,
but hence whywe have this podcast here.
So I'm going to go onto the first one,
which is V for Vis all or nothing.
(01:05):
And I've kind of seen this
a lot of timeswhere people would say,
Yeah,well it's not easy for V
if you're
doing advertisingor it's not V for
V, if you're not doingthis portion of the show
and connecting the
feedback loopand all of these things,
I think that's helpful
in a very, very,very small regard.
(01:28):
But it's very easyto get trapped into,
I suppose like a leadism or thinking,
okay, this is the wayit has to be done.
And so there's no doubtit works best
if your productor your show optimises
for it, much like it worksbest for advertising.
If your show is builtaround
being a showfor advertising,
if you leave a break in
(01:50):
the middle of the showwhere it's, you know,
this is wherethe ads would fit in or
you create it sothat you have like a host
rating at the start
or at the end,because, you know,
this converts to moresales, this sort of thing.
Well,
I think the value forvalue is much the same.
So this is where
you will do
the thingslike acknowledging
the peoplewho have supported you
and you know, where do youdo this in the show?
(02:11):
Well, it doesn't
particularly matter or itmaybe it does matter,
but you can experimentand try and find that out.
And so I've come up
with a little bitof a spectrum here,
which I think goes from,
I suppose, the
the way that you wouldmonetise your show,
I guess for in the mostkind of dispassionate
(02:33):
disconnectaway from your audience
all the way to probablythe most connected,
which I would sayis value for value.
So I would go
something like this,you know, you would have
dynamic dynamically add
ad insertionsinto your show.
So there's justrandom things popping up.
Mid-way through your show,
you could havethen the host raid
and then it wouldmaybe be something like
(02:54):
an integrated sponsorship.
Then it wouldmaybe be something like
It's your own business.
So you're providing a
a product
which you have createddirectly to your audience,
so you know all about it.
Then it might be something
like the paywalland Patron.
This is where you'rereally tipping over in
to the listenersupporter side of things.
Then it'd be something
like Buy me a coffee,
and then probablyright at the end
(03:15):
you would have valuefor value.
And so you could kind ofsee that, well,
it's, it's, it'ssort of a spectrum
with value for value.
The purest
form of being allthe way at the end. But
you can have it
anywhere and inserted any,
any way along thispoint of things.
So there's no reasonthat you can't have
(03:36):
an ad supported showas well as being able to
to do value for value.
And so I would actually
just recommendchecking out any of the
Jupiter Broadcasting showsbecause Chris Fischer
has been doing thisa fair bit.
You know,he has had advertisers for
quite a long while withwith his different shows,
but he has also very muchembraced the value
(03:56):
for value
mentality, the mindset,and he gets it
and he's doing themat the same time.
There's no reasonthat you can't do both.
He probably does itthe most smoothly
out of any of the shows
I've seen,which has advertising, and
there'smany examples of of others
where they will haveit enabled perhaps,
(04:18):
but they don't reallytalk about it so much.
And this would besome of the large
Bitcoin podcasts,for example, because
this is getting ontothe second point of
why V4V is not Bitcoin.
That you can kind of seethey haven't enabled.
You can send themmessages,
you can boost themin money
directly to the show, butthey never talk about it.
(04:41):
They never acknowledge it.
And so this is where,you know,
you can still say thatit's value for value.
Are they optimisingfor it?
Is it
the perhapsbest experience
like we've talked about
with the feedback loops,like we've talked
about connectingwith your audience,
like we've talkedabout why
it issuch a special feeling?
No, obviously not.
(05:01):
And obviously the
the gainsthat they will get for
that is not as strongas it is when you
acknowledge a boostagramand things like this.
So, yeah,I would just say,
you know, value for value,it's not all or nothing.
You don't have to be100% gung ho about it.
You don't have to be 100%.
This is the only way thatit's done.
(05:23):
You have to dothe feedback.
You have to read out
my messages,that sort of thing.
No, it's very muchan optional point,
but it is notit's not like you have to
completely, radicallyalter your whole show.
For example,
if you've found outabout this concept
and you want totry it out,
but you're
you're kind of like, Oh,
(05:43):
but I don't want
to do a segmentwhere I, I talk about
the listeners or I don'twant to read out emails.
I don't want to doall of these things.
It's like,okay, that's fine.
You can just experiment
with it,
have it in the background
and you can do otherthings at the same time.
So that's probably
the first misconceptionI want to talk about,
which I mentioned Bitcoin,and this leads us
(06:05):
onto the next one,which is that
value forvalue is not Bitcoin.
Now I can kind ofget this one
why peoplemight think this because
a lotof people were introduced
to value for value viathe payment mechanism,
this being
the Lightning Network
and being able to giveand receive Satoshis
directlywithin the podcasting
(06:26):
apps becauseof this whole ecosystem
that isgrowing up from it.
And if you want to know
more about that,go back to any of the
aspects of I suppose,like this whole season,
to be honest,like episode 42,
the emergenceof podcasting 2.0
or the micropaymentsin the episode
after that, the boostagrams, you know, there's
episode 44, there'squite a few ones there.
(06:48):
If you want to jump backinto those.
I think it's good to goback to especially that
micropayments episodebecause
you could hear metalk about in that episode
how this is notjust related to Bitcoin.
That protocolallows any cryptocurrency
to be used and even Fiatand if you really want it
(07:09):
to, but it's more just arepeople building on that?
Do people actually wantto use it this way? And so
we can see,
okay, the adoption isvery much for bitcoin, but
there's no reasonit can't be other things.
And so there's thistherefore doesn't mean
that value valueis Bitcoin like it own.
(07:31):
It's only value for value.
If if someone sends
through a paymentin bitcoin wrong.
We can see thiswith no agenda.
Once again,
the people who AdamCarrion, John C Dvorak,
who created the valuefor value model,
they were doing it
through PayPal foreverfor ages,
and they were even evenusing cash, for example.
They would,
they would give you
an addresswhere you could send
(07:51):
in a cash donationif you wanted to.
So and peoplewould do that.
So we can definitely see.
All right,it's not just Bitcoin
unless a variationof this, I think, is also
just focusing too muchon the money aspect of it.
You know,
remember, value for value
is time, talentand treasure.
So the time and talent, a
(08:12):
pretty big aspects of thisand it is
very, veryI suppose, important to,
to realise like, you know,
the moneyside of things is great,
but there's alsoall of these other aspects
of people being ableto help you of it.
You know,if you wanted to say
you want to doyou know your v4 V
your all or nothing in
(08:33):
and your V for Vall or nothing Bitcoin
and you know,what's the best way
to actuallyget more people
sending stuffin while it's
probably for themto actually be sharing
about the show as wellto their friends, it's
probably of creating
a better product by them,
helping you outwith a talent
that they have thatyou don't have. And so
this is where youcan see, you know, if you
(08:53):
if you focus on the moneyaspect of it
too much,you're going to leave.
Actually, funnily enough,
a lot of moneyon the table
because your showwon't be as popular,
because it won't grow,
because you won't havethis,
you know,
people helping you outvoluntarily
for two to creating ita better product.
And then I think alsoalong this vein, all along
(09:16):
this kind of fee for Vis Bitcoin
sort of vein is it'salso not podcasting 2.0.
So if you want tohighlight one app
or one method of peoplesupporting you
exclusively,
I think that's probablythe wrong way
to go about itpreferentially is probably
I think that's okay.
You know, if you'regiving advice, saying,
(09:38):
for example,for this show,
I usually just recommendany of the podcasting
2.0 apps or I recommendgoing to memorials,
podcasts, dotcom slash support,
because thereI have a full description
of how you can do it
in basically any of thevarious different ways.
And I think that's okay.
But I'm not going to ever
(09:58):
just exclusively say like,now here's one
one hip thing I hear,for example, all the time
a fountain go to fountainand, you know, send
do value for valuethrough there
as if that's the only onethat you can do.
And yeah, I think that'sthat's probably
the one
wrong way to go about it
because thingschange over time.
(10:19):
And this is whereit's like
unless you're keeping ontop of it constantly
and consistently, it'sprobably going to change.
And then, you know,
if you're still repeating,you know, value for
value is only donethrough through fountain,
and then Fountain goes down the service, break the,
you know,the developers decide
(10:40):
they want to move on
to something differentor they do something
with the appthat you don't enjoy
or your show gets kickedoff of there.
You know, for example,they could do that.
If they want to do that,it's their application.
They they get to choose
what is, isand isn't on there.
You know, thenthen you might be just
have dug yourself a holewhich is is hard
(11:02):
for your audience to know.
Oh, there's other options
to help support this show.
So that was the the secondcommon misconception
I really see
kind of being toutedaround that value
for value is only donethrough Bitcoin.
This is incorrect.
And then the last oneis that
I guess that people
won't give me moneyvoluntarily.
So this is kind of aabout what
(11:24):
I guess the misconception
is value for valuedoesn't work. You know,
that's probably thebiggest one to be honest.
And you can kind of seethis where it requires a
I suppose,
a lot
of trustfrom your audience
and you have to involveyourself with them.
So if there'sno connection
to your audience,to your listeners,
(11:47):
you won't get
your thousand true fans,you won't get that
that aspect of being ableto support yourself
in perhaps a more fulltime manner from that,
which is, okay,maybe you don't want that.
You know, probablyanother misconception
is that value for valuesfor everyone.
I don't think that's true.
(12:07):
I think a lot of peoplewouldn't find it
on this 1000 true fans
topic.
So this is a a idea,I guess, created by Kevin
Kellyquite a few years ago.
And it was basicallyjust saying,
you know,
if you area creator of some sort
and this is not related
to podcasting,
(12:27):
this was probably more
actually aimedat artists or
writersor things like this.
He was saying,if you find a thousand
people who are willingto send you, you know,
$10 a month,that is $10,000
a month, that is,you know,
well, what's that,120,000 over a year?
That is more than enough
(12:47):
to support your lifestyle,to support you, be able
to live in the worldand create things.
So so really,
you only need to finda thousand people
who are willingto give you $10 a month.
Or you could even,you know,
make it less than that.
If you
if they're willing,you know, $5 a month,
that's still 60 granda year.
That's that'sstill enough to live on.
And so this is where hehe was saying, you know,
(13:10):
the thing with thisso is you have to be
deeply connectedwith these fans
because people won't just
voluntarily give up fiveor $10 a month
if they're not gettingsomething out of it.
And so how do you connectpeople with those fans?
Well,you have to kind of be
in there interactingwith them. You have to
(13:31):
go the extradistance to call them out,
to acknowledge them,to thank them.
So it's very much a valuefor value concept.
And he was just saying,you know,
a lot of peopledon't want this.
A lot of peoplejust want to
focus on their art,the creation of music
or a podcast or a bookor whatever it is,
and they don't wantto actually dive
(13:52):
into the trenches
of building a community,of interacting directly
one on one.That's not their skill.
So they don't enjoy doingthat.
They, you know,they would prefer
that to havethat does as a distance
allow Joe Rogan,for example,
he very rarely interacts
directlywith his audience.
And this is where you cango, okay, you know,
(14:14):
that's that's fine.
You know,value for value is not
not for everyone. And
this,I guess, is also that
if you don't think it
works there,
there is a kindof psychology behind this
and this is whereyou can go.
I you know,
I can expect it to workwithout asking.
For example,people will just do it.
(14:35):
Well, nothing functionslike that.
Why why would thisyou know,
if you don't askfor help from people,
that they're probablynot going to do it.
Almost certainlynot going to do it
unless you get to
a ridiculous,ridiculous level
and you can
just put up a donation
link on your Twitteror something like that
and then thenit will happen.
But there wasthis guy, for example.
(14:58):
It was ait was a year ago.
I can't remember his name.
It's probably not worthrepeating.
And he was on Twitter
and he was complainingabout this.
He was saying,
you know, value for valuedoesn't work.
I tried it out for,
you know, three weeksor something like this.
And my you know,
your audience is in
gratefulthey're not going to
send you moneyvoluntarily.
(15:19):
You have to basicallyforce it out of them.
You have to wring itout of them
like they're a wettowel and
and really apply pressure.
And you have to do thisvia pay paywalls.
You have to do this
by providing extra contentbehind a paywall,
which only then arethey willing to do it
and thissort of thing. And
(15:39):
what younotice about that is
probably he didn't trywith with the intent of
of really going at it,
doing it over three weeks,you're unlikely to
to start establishing theit takes time too
to really get peoplein the habit of of helping
to support you,of acknowledging
and understandingwhy this is important.
(16:00):
And honestlyI just thought
he was probably
a little bit cynicalabout humanity.
This very zerosum ideas of
I've got to get my peacethinking or mentality,
whereas value for valueis very much more a
you know, it'snot a non-zero-sum game.
If, if you providesomething,
people will send you moneyand they will feel good
(16:22):
about it and it will,you know, expand
the pie ratherthan you having to kind of
steal itfrom other people.
It's it's
kind of it's
kind of a feelinglike, oh,
I need to get that moneyout of my audience
to to just, you know,grab it from them.
And that requiresa bit of force
because there's only
a certain amount of moneyin the world.
And I think I thinkthat sort of mentality,
(16:43):
if thatis the way that you think,
you're not going to dowell with value for value.
And this is wherevalue for values
is probablynot not suited for you.
My last little onehere was a story I had of
it depends on whattype of fans and people
that you attract as well
and that you wantto attract.
(17:04):
And so there was this.
I've told you storiesbefore about how
when I was firstpodcasting,
I was connectingwith other podcasters.
I was sending themmessages up via Instagram.
I was leaving them
nice, nice reviewsof their podcast on iTunes
because, you know,when you
that'swhat people seem to want,
even though it doesn'treally do anything.
(17:24):
And what was happeningwas that
I would listento the podcast,
but even if I didn'tparticularly enjoy it,
I would still leavea nice review.
I would still findsomething
nice to say about it,you know?
Is that ethical?
I have
I don't know
if I look at itmore now and I'm like,
it was kind oflike a little bit
(17:45):
I probably should havejust if I didn't like that
one, justjust pass on and move on.
But whatever. That wasjust the way I do things.
And I'm like an I'man optimistic person.
I like to to, to saynice things or, you know,
even if
the whole thing is bad,
I tryand focus on the positive.
I don't like sayingI don't like being me.
Anyway,
that was this podcast,which was all about
(18:06):
kind of Jeffrey EpsteinAnd you know,
this was back in2020 or perhaps even 2019.
And so JeffreyEpstein was a was a big
it was not as biga scandal as it was
when it first came out,
but it wasstill just like, you know,
this guy's a paedophile,this guy's
blah, blah, blah.
And it was this podcastof these two women.
(18:28):
And they were very bitter.
They werethey were very kind
of cynical,snarky, sarcastic. Nick
seemed to have hada relatively popular show.
I'm just from the media
thingsthat I could see about it
and I left a review and
I just let them knowabout that.
I was like, you know,Hey girls,
(18:49):
I enjoyed this aspectof your podcast.
You know, kudos.
Keep going at it.
And the responseI got back
was, Didyou just call us girls?
And I was like, Yes.
And then they just send mea link to something
about saying how referringto women as girls is
(19:10):
misogynistic,is the patriarchy
or something like
that just went like,
Jesus Christ,if this is how
you interactwith someone who's
trying to be nice to youwith, you know what?
What kind of reactions
are you going to get
if you want those peopleto help you out
in the future?
And the obvious answer ispeople like me
(19:32):
would would go these what?
How like how gratefulcan you be?
How rude can you be?
And so this is definitelya show where it's like,
okay,they should probably not
be doing value for valuebecause they
obviously don't have the,
you know, requisite,
you know,what would I call it,
(19:53):
portion of humanity.
The the
thinking that is required,the appreciation
that is requiredof your audience to,
to do something like that.
And so, you know,
good values of valuework with them
and and the type of peoplethat are
probably attractedto that show.
I would probably say no.
And so that is whereit's like,
okay, is value for valueeveryone is value
(20:15):
for value going to workfor everyone?
Probably not.
It's probably best
that they findsome other way of
of supporting themselves.
So yeah,
those were probablythe three misconceptions
that I seethe most popping up
value for valueis is all or nothing.
I think that's incorrect.
Value for valueis only bitcoin.
That is definitelyincorrect
and value for valueis going to work
(20:37):
for everyoneor it won't work
A value for value doesn'twork. Incorrect.
It it does work.
But you do have to have
the right mentality for itand the right,
I suppose,
portion of thinking ofof of how you can do this.
So yeah, those aresome misconceptions.
Cleared up. Bam, bam, bam.Thank you, ma'am.
And I probably shouldn'tsay ma'am, should I?
(20:59):
And so that isit for for today's topic.
Let's jump onto some toGraham's from last week.
So, Mr.
Adam, Curry, please.
Take it way.
Adam Curry (21:11):
Welcome to the value for value, Boosta
Gram Lounge.
Kyrin Down (21:19):
Okay, so last week was a was a great week.
I really enjoyeddoing that episode,
which I also recordedwith the video and
you know, it was a goodreaction from that one.
One thingI do want to acknowledge
and thank
just beforeI get into the people
who who sent in some boostagrams
was I'm not greatat social media.
(21:39):
I don't enjoy spendingmy time hanging out there.
It's very much, for me,a kind
of promotional activity.
I put it out there,
I blast it out,and if people
comment and reply,that's awesome.
I will tryand get to that.
But it's not it's nota place I voluntarily go.
And so,
you know, it's very,very much
appreciated to everyonewho shared the link to
(22:01):
to yet to do that
kind of work for me
because I'm not goingto build up
a 100,000 or a millionfollower base or anything
because I just don'tuse them that way.
I'm not going to createsomething like that.
Peoplefind that interesting.
It is going to be prettymuch a like
an informational alertsystem.
Hey, I'm going live forhey, I've done this thing.
(22:22):
Check it outif you want to.
So very much, very muchappreciate it to everyone
who who kind ofdid that work for me.
You know, talkingabout time and talent
of of sharing the show
and doing that super,super appreciated.
I even got a commentfrom void zero
on the YouTube video,which is super cool.
So that's it'sjust interacting
(22:43):
with these peopleI've heard about
and never had the chanceto interact with directly.
So super, super cool.
Let's get into some value
for value and some boosts.
And these were actuallycoming through live.
I can't rememberif I mentioned
them at the time,so I think I did.
But Booburry,he sent it to
which one was 1770, 76.
(23:04):
I guess that's likea big liberty boost.
And he was sayingSplitsville life. Yes.
And he said,Is there a chat room for
another eight,eight, eight, eight?
And once again, no, notas of this exact moment.
SomethingI got to work on.
Yeah,I've had a big week and
I've I've got some
family stuffgoing on as well, which,
(23:25):
which needs addressing.
So yeah, that allthat's taken up my time.
I've got another one herefrom Anonymous
saying the chapter images
really helpwith the explanations.
3333 Sat-Sunusing pod verse.
Thank you very much Mr.
Anonymous,if you want your name
highlightedand I put all of these
on the main modelspodcast dot
com slashsupport website as well.
(23:47):
We have a big list
of their of everyoneand anonymous ones
gets chuckedinto the memorial at the
the kind of representationof all
the unnamed peoplewho help support us.
So just a recommendationif you do want
a call out in particularplease please
let me knowand I will do that.
But yeah,
(24:09):
the chapter imagesI that's why I do them.
I think it was definitelyfor that type of episode,
which is a how to one
is worth checking out.
And soif you are listening
just by now,
I would recommend
getting a podcasting app
where you can seethe images
becauseI do put things in.
There'sthe one for this episode
is probably slightlyless helpful,
but once coming
(24:30):
up in the future,
I'm going to do a one onstatistics next episode.
And so that's going to
have all sorts of graphs,all sorts of things.
That's definitely onewhere you want to have
a podcasting app where yousee chapter images.
I could recommend
a fountain,
definitely, and Breezedefinitely Podcast is
pretty goodand I think cosmetic.
(24:51):
I haven't
actually check that out,but those those ones
pretty solid.
And then the final one
here, the big baller boostfor this week was Nick
sorry Nickmaster from Fountain
and he says great tutorialKaren
you're always so quickto start
exploringthe new developments
within podcast
and 2.0
and youreducational content
is incredibly importantfor sharing it with others
(25:12):
in a waythat's easy to understand.
For anyone listening,
I highly recommend
watching the videoon YouTube too.
And then you send a big20,000 sets with his own
app or fountain.
So yeah.Thank you very much, Nick.
I do, yeah.
This is one of those showswhere
I wouldn't sayI do content
which is non evergreenthat often.
(25:33):
I would preferto talk about things
which you could come backto 510 years later.
But this is one
where it's like, yeah,
this iswhat people need to know
about whythis is important.
So yeah,
I am willing to putin the kind of ground work
and keep ontop of these things.
So I do appreciate that.
And the linkfor the YouTube video,
I'll put it in the show
notes as well,but it'll be in the
(25:54):
the chapter
Chapter links once again,another good reason to
get a podcasting 2.0 up
so that withthe boost for this week.
Thank you very mucheveryone.
Once again this is goingto help support this show
help support thethe hosting costs of this
and is also beingaccumulated with the Me
(26:14):
and models podcastyou know brand I guess.
And so for everyone,
if you reacha 100,000 limit,
we send youa memo to shirt.
So I think Nickwill be getting no,
I'm not sure how closehe will be.
It's probablyabout halfway there now.
I think so, Yep.
Just a recommendationas well.
A little incentive therefor you to
to boostin a little bit more.
(26:34):
And once again,
I really doappreciate that
and I really would justrecommend that, you know,
I was proudof that episode
about the valuefor value music.
So now and the
and the kind of how toand and how to access it
for both musiciansand for listeners.
So I would definitelyjust recommend
sharing that on withsomeone if you think this
this wouldbe useful for them.
(26:57):
So that is the Boostagram lounge for this week.
Thank you very much.
And my tips section.
This one'snot a two solid one.
It's kind of just likethis is all subjective.
It's just like there'sno hard
and fast ruleswith value for value.
There's no encode of,
you know, writtenin the Tablet of Solomon
or of the tablet of AdamCurry and Jack'd.
(27:21):
There's nothing like that.
It's there's
there's
a lot of informationand I'll get on to one
of those in a second.
But you know,this show as well,
this is it's one of thosemoving things which is
not that it'sit's so easy to
to grasp itin a simple manner.
You know, I provide value
(27:42):
and then you provide itback.
What's what can besimpler than that?
But the nuances,the details,
the misconceptions,all of that sort of thing,
you know,
if you've gotsomething wrong,
if you've heard hearsomeone else
saying something wrong,it's like, it's okay.
It's it's just this is
this is
a natural order of things
and you just got to getused to it and
and just try and educateus as best as you can.
(28:03):
And, and talkingabout education.
So for my app or servicehighlight this week,
I would recommendchecking out
value for value dot info.
So this is a website
I believe created by Adam
Curryand it's got a lot of
interesting information
here on the valuefor value philosophy.
And I would just saythis is a great website
(28:24):
for those who prefer textbecause it's all
pretty much text based.
It's got,
you know, pieces writtenby different people.
It's got,
you know,the rough numbers,
got the philosophy,it's got some guides from
pop verse, fountainand podcast index.
It's got how you cancontribute to
(28:46):
learning more about valuefor value,
about podcasting, 2.0,that sort of thing.
So yeah, I would justrecommend checking out
that if you are
or if you knowsomeone who is more of a
a learn viathe text method of reading
rather than listening,which you know, I,
I'm not greatat writing things out,
which is
why I do podcastingand so this is just a
(29:08):
great thing for those whoperhaps would not get
much benefit from
from my show,from an audio one,
but they would getsomething
text based, you know, goto a value value for value
info with the number fourbeing being in there.
And yeah, I would justrecommend that.
And then finally, valuefor value,
(29:28):
my last segment here where
I give 15% to someonewho I think is worthy of
of of a Colletteand it's going to be
maybe an unexpectedone this week
and I'm going to send 15%to comic strip
blogger CSB
and this guy So
for those who
don't know whocomic strip blogger is,
(29:49):
he has been followingno agenda.
The, you know,
Adam Curry's stufffor a long, long time.
And this guy isjust so consistent
with his supportevery week.
And it's not justthe consistency, it's the,
the highlighting of it
of, of making sure itactually goes through of,
you know, on the podcast
and to pointI show his the delimiter
(30:09):
because he comes inevery single week
you know
with the same amount
or even increasesthe amount over time
with a long detailedthought out message.
And just from my,
you know, random
interactions with him,I don't know him.
I have barely interactedwith him.
But what I would just sayis, you know,
he always seems to be outand about trying
(30:31):
to help educateother people
and promoting valuefor value.
The several of my points
today were either surfacedor influenced by him.
The the one about
whichone was the Bitcoin one.
You know, he washe brought this up
on the Mastodon chatnot too long ago, which
helped give me the ideafor this episode.
(30:52):
So I do just want toacknowledge people who are
doing great things for
for value, for value
and helping to educateand promote.
And I think he's
definitely worthyof a call out
and some recognition.
So 15% of today'sepisode goes
to comic strip blogger.
And I thinkand very much for his work
and everythingthat he's doing
and I'm going to leave itthere for today.
(31:14):
Thank you, everyone,
for joining the Valleyfor Valley Show.
You might have heard,like I'm
a little bitsick this week.
I was at a wedding,a little, lost
a whole lost from Thursdaytill Monday.
So has been a very,very big, long, stressful
week for me.
So this was a bit of
a shorter episode and onewhich was just kind of
(31:36):
an ease in back, backafter a pretty hectic
time for me.
So I do want to just thank
everyone value for value.
What is the best thingthat you could do for me?
You know, what it wouldbe for this week is just,
you know, help educate andand let
another podcaster knowabout value for value.
(31:56):
So you can do this by
sending them a messagedirectly, asking them
if there is a way to helpsupport them directly.
You know,
if they
do have a patron
on a PayPal,you can maybe say,
I don't like usingthat way.
Is there
a way of doing it,you know,
through a
direct contributionto a PayPal account or,
(32:18):
you know, just maybe
if you thinkit's it's worthwhile
and if you think the ideaswould be amenable
to them
moving them on that scalethat I provided
further awayfrom perhaps advertising
and more to be
the full value for valueand or some sort
of small highlightsor something like that.
But yeah,
I definitely thinkthat value for value
(32:40):
does workfor a lot of people,
will workfor a lot of podcasters
and other digital contentcreators.
And yeah,
I just the more peoplethat know about it
who get to experience it,I think the better it is
for everyone because it isdefinitely, I think the,
the more ethical way of,
of, of creating a showat least personally.
(33:01):
So I'm going to leave itthere for today.
Thank youeveryone, for joining in.
As I mentioned,next week's
episode is all
going to be aboutstatistics and some stats.
This willbe from podcasting,
hosting companies.
This will be about
how much valueis actually flowing
through the value
for value
method using Bitcoin
with the way thatwe can actually see it.
So yeah, definitely oneto keep an eye out
(33:24):
on for next week.
So until then,chao for now, Kyrin out.
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