August 22, 2023 • 46 mins
V4V Music is awesome, but there are some complex things under the surface. In Ep#46 we're going to have a look at the current V4V Music apps/services, the social & tech hurdles to hosting/playing music and the big elephant in the room.
Huge thanks to Cole McCormick, Boobury, Anonymous & Guy Smiley for supporting the show. Absolute legends!
15% of this episode is going to StevenB for creating so many building blocks to help kick start this revolution. Go V4V Music!
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Kyrin Down (00:00):
The FAQ of the new music revolution.
(00:08):
Welcome everyoneto another episode
of the Valuefor Value Podcast.
This is the podcast
for those digital contentcreators.
For those listeners
who want to supporttheir favourite creators
about how they can do
that, using the valuefor value model
and avoid thingslike paywalls,
like ads and sponsorshipsand things like that.
Whhhooooof,
this is going to bea big episode
(00:29):
because we are talkingabout the music revolution
and this is really
continuing on
from the last episodewhere I was highlighting
what is valuefor value music
and how
musicians and artists
are finding a new wayto connect deeper
with their audienceand also get paid
at the same time
and avoid
all of the crazyshenanigans
that are going on with
Spotifyand kind of just the
(00:50):
broken music industrythat it is. So.
This episode titled
How to Access V4VMusic
the hurdles to supportingmusicians and Artists.
So basicallywhat I'm going to do
is I'll give a rundownof the services,
the apps that you can use,both as a creator, as a
deejay, as a musician,and as a listener.
(01:11):
It's going fromeasiest to hardest.
I'm then going to go over
the kind of hurdlesthat is
we're seeing forfor V, for the music,
because it's not going to
be super easy,at least at this stage.
And then there's onebig elephant in the room
before we finally getting
on to some boostagrams,some tips,
some other apps andservices and highlights.
So let's just dive
into the showand I'm going to also
(01:33):
be doing this visually.
So if you want to seethis on YouTube,
there'll be a video there.
Let's start off
with probablythe easiest one,
which anyone can
come into,and this is Wavelike.
And so Wavelike isa service that is popped
up, which is
reallygreat for a listener
because if you go to wavelike icon
and this is wave
(01:53):
without the E,so a V like e dot com,
you can go up there
and basicallyone of the good things is
you can
really just startfor easily
listening an easyhosting of your music.
So if you're a listeneryou can just go there.
There's got a wave
like radio,there's got a party mode,
there's a trending pageof this new releases.
It's very easily clickable
and you can kind ofclick it and it will play
(02:15):
even when you're going toother tabs.
So that really niceexperience
of being ableto continually listen
to music, even whilstusing a website.
Now the other cool thingfor this is for musicians.
So let's say you'rea musician,
but perhaps you're notsuper tech
savvy,perhaps you don't really
know, youknow, what is an RSS feed,
How do podcasts workthings like this?
(02:36):
Well, what you can go doonto here is just go onto
the this studio tabthat they have.
They've got a thing.
Are you an artist bandrecord label,
a podcaster interested
in uploading audioto wave like you say? Yes.
And then basicallyyou just start going
through the process
of adding a new name,a band,
you know, social linksthat you can use.
(02:57):
Once you go through that,
you can then
go on to the audio taband stop uploading things.
So very, very easyservice service for to use
some of the thingsthat they have is
instantly playable
with the click, the point,the upload abilities,
there's charts,there's leaderboards
commentsfor the listener as well.
So if you go on to a songand you just want to
(03:21):
to check it out,you want to see what's
what's happening on it,
you can go thereand they've got a message
board,they've got all sorts
of different thingsgoing on with that.
So very, very coolservice to be able to use
some limitations with it.
It's not as smooth
for somethinglike boosting or for,
I guess like lackinga bit of deeper options
(03:43):
for splits
and some of the
real technical thingswhich we've seen
happening with podcasting.
As I mentionedin the Brewster Gramps
and the streaming
episodes, two or threeepisodes before this,
they don't haveall of those
technical capabilitiesas of yet,
but they are gettingcloser and closer.
So for those who are just
interestedin value for value music,
(04:04):
the probablythe easiest place
to go to at this currentmoment is wavelength.
Now let's sayyou are a listener
and you want to starthaving
a bit more functionalitywith what you're doing,
or at leastjust being able to
to search for the musicbecause it is kind of hard
to know, okay,what is music
that is value for valueenabled?
Where can I find this?
(04:25):
Probably the easiest place
to go forthis is Ellen Beats.
So this is Lema.
I'm not sure what the usefor end is for nunchucks
Beats Tor.com.
And this is a a website
hosted by Stephen Bellow,created by Stephen Bell.
And that'san important name
because he is goingto pop up
quite regularly for this.
(04:46):
And essentiallyit is a website
where you can just go
and see
all the differenttypes of music
so you can searchby album.
They've got a
just a big page herelisting things down
and you can supportyour favourite artist
within this websiteas well.
It's got a
a wallet
functionality here
which connects
with your Albi account,so you will probably need
(05:08):
one of those
if you want
to support people as wellbecause that is
very useful.
So Albi is a extensionthat you add onto
your browserwhich allows you
to send micropaymentsto people directly.
So that'sjust a good place.
You know,it's really simple.
It's probablymore of a proof of concept
and a testing groundfor how music will show up
(05:29):
in a feed and it's ratherthan a pure music app.
And so for thosewho are a listener
and they're wondering,okay,
where can I go to get the
best experience, a Spotifyor a YouTube
like YouTube music,like experience
for listeningto V for V music where,
you know,I can click on the button,
(05:50):
I can search it allhave functionalities.
And tell me more aboutthe artist it will be.
It'll have that musicfirst experience.
Well, unfortunately
we don't really havethose at the moment.
This is also brand new
that we're probably goingto be
waiting for a little whileuntil a really smooth
application comes along.
Now what I can say is thatthere are some places
(06:13):
where you can search formusic quite nicely.
So for example,
if you go onto Fountain Dot
FM, so Fountain,
use the Fountainapp on your phone.
This will give youthere is a tab there
where you can searchfor music.
If you go to the podcastindex website,
there is a
little button herewhich has music,
so you can dothat as well.
(06:34):
If you go on to Cairo.
Costa
They have a musictab as well
where you canclick on that
and it will populate somesome of the music
musiciansup on the site here.
So that's very helpfulas well.
The POD fans hasa search function
and play functions,
but the thing withall of these is
that they're more suitedfor other things.
(06:55):
They're more suitedas a podcast app.
And so we're really yetto have one, which is
a pure music firstapplication experience,
particularlyon the mobile.
There's there's none
that are really,really suited for that.
But as I said, it's,
it's relatively newso we'll,
we'lljust stay with there.
Now let's get on to
(07:17):
some ofthe more technical things.
So we talked about wavelike we talked about
Ellen Beats.
Now the next one is musicSide Project.
Once again,
Steven Bellhas created this
and this is justbasically a way for you
to be able to constructyour own RSS feed.
So this is forthe musician,
the artist who has a bitof technical capabilities
(07:39):
that can probably useWordPress, for example.
They know roughly,you know,
what a website is,how to upload
audio to places,how to, you know,
do a couple of things onthe Internet.
It's not too crazy.
And basicallythis is a way
where it gives youa lot more functionality
than something like Wave
like to be ableto host your own music.
(08:00):
So I did a little testalbum here for myself
and started along thethe process.
So the good thing isthat with
this is he's
got a great tutorial,
so if you goto the tutorial, it's
basicallylike easily build
the RSS feedneeded to value,
enable your musicand make it available
in a modern podcastapp or music player.
Choose your hostingsolution.
(08:20):
And he's got WordPress.
And so then he has justgot from A to B how you,
you set this up.
And so it's got pictures.
It's got real easy steps
for you to be ableto just go through
bam, bam, bam,This is how you put it
onto your WordPresswebsite.
Okay, Now come backto Music Side project.
Start addingthe details needed for
(08:43):
the album,the cover art where
bios, things like thisand he's
basically got thisfrom all the way along.
How you do thisand it's it's
it's really good It'sI even me
with my relativelylack of technical skills
I went okayI could definitely do this
because it's just so laidout in a really,
(09:04):
really easy manner.
So the Music Side projectis definitely for those.
It's kind of like thatintermediate stage
and is what isis really, really helpful.
Now we'll get onto
the rather technicalone once again.
Steven B with a thingcalled the split kit dot
com and this is
used utilisessomething called
(09:25):
the value time split.
I didn't talk about this
specificallyin the latest episode
because it israther technical.
It is rather hardto get your head around.
But basicallythe value time split means
as someone is listeningto your show,
the value block.
So this is whereyou put your information
(09:46):
for where you want moneyto be sent to you.
So in this case, you know,I've got in my value.
BLOCK So this show,
50% comes to me.
15% is going to goto a developer
that I choose of.
I've got
some othermultiple wallets
which have somefunctionalities, like
allowing me to see boostin different ways and just
split up for other things.
(10:07):
And then I sendanother 10% to developers.
Now what this means is I
can have all of thatinformation.
So if you think ofthat as as my album
or as my as meas the producer here,
this is where I could thengo, okay,
but what if I would loveto play some music
but have their informationduring that section
(10:29):
when the song is playing?
And so this is whatthe value time split does.
It means that
portion, that sectionwhere the money
is coming to me,
I can then change it
so that whilethe song is playing,
anyone who's listening,anyone who's boosting
that goes directlyto the artist.
Now there's a lot ofthings under the hood here
which allow thisall to happen.
(10:50):
And so this iswhere the split kit Dcoms
website comes inand allows you to kind of
do this real timeor after the fact.
So if I was doing a liveDJ sets, for example,
so this is
this is where it gets
tricky because you want todo this
in a I suppose in
(11:13):
an, in a method where
you can do this as,as your, as a, as a DJ.
So most of the use cases
I'm talking about rightnow, a DJ comes in,
they have a list of songsthat they want to play
and they're going to come
in and say, All right,I want to be able to
put this particularmusician in as the
(11:37):
as the person who's
going to receive
the money,and then that that will
actually go to them.
So I'm just logging inas we speak to Split
Kit Gqom
and I'm going to tryand show you like
a little demonstrationhere,
live hand ofof how you might do this.
And so
basically what
you do
is you go on to thiswebsite and you say,
(11:57):
create a new event.
So this would be okay, my,my podcast episode.
So in particular,
this is for someonewho wants to do a DJ set
or create a playlist,for example, using Value
for value music.
And so I wouldcome onto here
and I would say, okay,I've got my default thing.
So this is when wheneverI'm speaking,
(12:19):
this is when I wantsomeone else.
I want the moneyto be coming to me
and then I've got a song.
So let's just
I've picked a cherryon top by anti Costello
when and this alreadypopulates her information.
So when I play this song,when I click the button,
it will go to her.
And so when that's active,
(12:39):
all the moneyis now going to her
and you can kind of see,okay,
if I just keep adding
extraand extra songs into this,
you will create a big listthat will come down.
And if you look
at somethinglike behind the schemes,
they've got a big
just list here showing,okay,
this is how many songsthey've got
and as they're playingtheir episode,
(13:01):
they can justclick buttons.
So it's very muchas if you could imagine
how a radio station doeswhere they know
they've got a liveradio station,
they've gotsome songs queued up
when they're supposed
to stop speaking thatpress the button,
the song startsplaying immediately,
and then you can havethose, you know,
fade in and fade outeffects at the same time
(13:22):
song plays, They can goto the bathroom,
they can do whateverin that time period,
when the song is comingback and finishing,
they then click the button
to go back to themselves.
So as as they are the thethe top person.
So now it's, you know,it's like
the microphone isis going to them again
and this is when we gookay cool suite now we'll
be able to
(13:43):
have have
not just my microphone onbut also the money coming
to mewhile my microphone is on.
So very,very cool thing here.
The split kit become very,very useful.
And Steven has createdsomething that is
yeah, it'sa really powerful thing
and you wouldprobably want to use
this in can in connectionwith another thing
(14:04):
he's got which is calledsovereign feeds.
But now that is getting
into the really,really technical RSS,
be able to manually edityour feed writing in code
and things like this.
So we'll, we'll leave itas that for the moment.
So it's basicallya switchboard.
The cool
thing is a lot of apps
are starting to supportthis functionality.
(14:25):
So if you look at all theI was meant to list,
I think I listedmost of them.
So the Fountain podcastindex here,
Costa Pod fanshave those available shows
to filter for music,but they also support
the value time split.
So if you're listening
on one of those,
as a listenerwanting to give back
to the musicians tothe artist and to the DJ,
(14:47):
they support this
functionalitywhere it does
all the switchingbehind the scenes.
And then there's someothers like podcast Guru,
Pod Vers and Costa Matic
also supporting
this or will be supportingthis in the near future.
So this is super,super cool and
I guess getting overone of the hurdles
that I will be shortand talking about
(15:08):
in in a second,which is the technology.
The technologyis really hard.
So what I'm trying to do
with this
episode in particularis just say, Hey,
there is some easyservices you can use.
There's some harder onesif you want.
The more in-depth,the juicy,
the real meat ofof what's going to go on,
this is goingto completely revelation
(15:29):
revolutionise music.
But it is hardat this stage
it's still still requiressome some working
it still requiresa bit of playing around.
You definitely need to be
playing aroundwith these things
because it's not super,super easy as of yet.
But I'm surprisedby how quickly
this is allstarting to move.
It's it's very,very cool in that aspect.
(15:49):
So let's jump onto,I suppose,
some of the hurdlesthat I think
value forvalue music is going to
start encountering.
There'sthere's quite a few things
which are, I suppose just
just going to crop upand which will need
to be addressed.
The first one I've already
somewhat mentionedis technology.
(16:10):
So using the value timesplit is really hard
for you,producing it, creating it,
and then also
for the applicationssuch as all of
these podcast players
and any futuremusic players to,
to do that kind of coding
in the background,to really acknowledge
all of these things,
(16:30):
to use micropayments,you know,
there's the Internet'sbeen around forever and
we still haven'thad that ability as until
really recently withI think podcasting,
like I mentioned,podcasting
2.0 is kind ofone of the first
use caseswhere you see, okay,
micropayments really do
seem to actually bedoing something,
they doseem to be working. So
(16:53):
the skillsto be a great musician
do not necessarily overlapwith being a good
user of technology.
It doesn't it doesn't
equate in my mind
that the best musiciansare going to be able
to jump onto these thingsearly.
They're probably goingto have to wait until
the tools are available
or they're really,really motivated.
(17:14):
Now, the good thing is
that money is apretty good motivation.
And so as we talked aboutin the last episode,
you know,
if you're only getting
$2 per CPMand you can bump this up
into something closer
to like 20 or like,you know, ten X the amount
as Ainsley
Costello did
and as some othermusicians
(17:34):
are having somesome hit songs,
as youcan see on the wave like
and you can see the
amountsthat they're earning on.
There you go. Okay.
The forthe amount of plays
that they're getting,
they're probablygetting close to that,
you know,like at a hundred CPM or
certainly more than the $2which Spotify says
and which is probablya lot lower considering
(17:57):
just some of the thingsthat I've heard
from musiciansover the years.
So it's going to take timefor someone
to build that one
perfect app or that oneperfect thing, which is
super easy uploading musicput in your thing.
It's going to rely on somemore Bitcoin adoption.
It's going to relyon a fair few things.
But there's there's a,there's a
(18:19):
there's a lotbehind the surface here
and it's really,really going to kick off.
Another thingthat I see popping up,
which is not technologyrelated, is
or it's kind ofin that middle ground
which is not honouringthe splits.
So things, things can juststraight up change.
So for example,
in my feed,
(18:39):
in my own RSS feed,the value for value show,
I've switched itacross multiple times.
So you would have heard inseason two,
I was saying, you know,for this episode,
30% or 50%,
I can't remember how muchI put
is going to this podcast
because I use clipsfrom their episode.
I was doing these thingswhen I changed.
Host All of that got
(19:00):
wiped outor it's in the background
and soI need to get to it.
But you know,
that's going to takelike 4 hours of effort
to really reconstructall of that.
And you know,no one's boosting
those episodesas of this moment.
So I don't feel badbecause
it's not going to there.But you can kind of see
when when
thingschange, when things break
(19:21):
and there's moneyon the line,
people can get upsetabout that.
They can getyou know, like
you told me,
you were going to put this
in orthere was an expectation
this would happen.
And all of this is builton the
the promise of thefor video
and the premise of Vfor V, which is,
you know,
I providesomething of value
and you provide itback to me voluntarily.
(19:43):
It's all ofthis is voluntarily.
And I thinkthat can be some
things which will happenwhere people will will not
not recognise thatthis is really voluntary
and there is expectations,
but they're notcontractual expectations.
You know,
if you sign onto Spotifyand you give them
your bankand bank details,
(20:04):
for them to be ableto send you the money
that they have generatedfrom playing your music
and they accidentally,you know,
forget it or like, woops,
we deletedyour bank details
and we'll get around to it
in like three months time.
You know,
that's that's probably notacceptable in this case.
It is kind of acceptable
because I've gotso much on
(20:25):
I've got tons of thingsto do.
I don't have time to
check my feed all the timeand make sure
are your details correct.
And if you know,
if you updateyour details,
if you change your
your value details,that's going to require me
to change things as well.
So a lot ofthis is going to be on
reputation'son relationships
kind of in this phase,
and it is probablyjust worth noting
(20:47):
that if you're coming inexpecting,
you know, realpolished, real
I put something here
and it's going to staylike this forever.
Like, don't expect thatit's it's going to change.
Things will happen
both technologicallyspeaking and on the people
side of thingswhere there is,
you know,the money might not go
(21:09):
where you thinkit will go.
Let's let's just put itthat way and we can see.
So wave like, for example,
they don't honourthe splits
that are alreadyin episode.
So Abel and the Wolf,for example,
for eachof their different tracks,
they have,
you know, separate things.
Going to this personcreated
(21:29):
episode art to thisyou know, track.
They've got,
you know, this personalso collaborated.
They provided some drumsor they provided
some tunes or some vocals.
They get a splitand they organised
all of that freehand.
So, you know, this ishow much you'll get.
The thing is,you know, wavelike doesn't
acknowledgethat at the moment.
So if you send the money
through wavelike to them at the moment
(21:50):
it, itdoesn't capture that. So
just one of thosethings where it's like,
okay, you know,just, just,
just be careful,just, just acknowledge
this stuff is not goingto be super, super
on the pointas of this moment.
The last little hurdlethat I had here was,
I suppose,just the explaining
evangelising learning.
(22:11):
I saw some
discussions on the podcastindex, Mastodon
talking about, you know,
everyone'sexcited about this.
There's a
there's excitementis palpable in the air.
But we just have toacknowledge
and be careful about,okay,
you don'twant to come across as
a scammy,I suppose in a way.
And when it'sinvolving money,
(22:34):
when it's involving,
you know, Bitcoin,which is Internet money,
there'sthere's a lot of radars
which can get pinged off.
And I experienced this
sometimeswhen I was trying
to explain this conceptto people
and I was tryingto explain it to
it was kindof a crypto guy
and I was tryingto explain
all of this to him.
But because there's like
five, eightdifferent moving pieces,
(22:57):
it's so,so hard to get it across.
So what I wouldjust say is
I found it'sbest to ask questions,
to listen more, to ask,you know what?
How is somethinglike Spotify serving you?
How is the music industryserving you?
And I'm pretty suremost of them will say
like, it's not serving methat well.
It's theseare the problems.
(23:18):
And then I would justkind of go,
you know, his here, here'ssome things that
might interest you.
There's this way to do itin a decentralised manner
where, yeah,
as long as you retainthe rights to your music,
you can put this online
and you can have people
kind of voluntarilypaying you and you know
you'll earn aboutthe same, if not more.
(23:39):
You still need to createa really good song,
you still need to havegood music,
but is
there's ways to do this
which are not throughthe traditional manner
and then just kind ofleave it at that.
Don't get too caught upin the excitement
and being like pushing itin people's faces because
that that just generally
doesn'ttend to work so well. So
yeah, that's the,the other small hurdle
(24:01):
now, the big one,
the big elephantin the room
is that we're dealingwith money here.
And history has shown that
the music industry
gets pretty pissed off
when you starteating into their lunch.
And so not justpretty pissed off,
but like big timepissed off.
Let's just look at Napsterin the early days
of the Internet or,you know, the early 2000.
(24:22):
They revolutionised musicby being able to have,
you know, peer to peersharing of digital audio
done through torrenting.
And all
you would have to dois, you know, go online
and you could accessall of this music.
You wouldn'thave to pay for it,
and it's just availableat your fingertips.
You know,there was some tech
(24:43):
things happeningthere at the moment.
You had to knowhow to use something
like LimeWire or PirateBay or things like this,
or go to Napster.
It was a little bitbefore my time,
so I don't have
the experienceof actually using it.
But youcould see, you know,
what did the musicindustry do from that?
Well, they started suing
and so they wentafter Napster.
(25:04):
They went off toto individual people.
I'm pretty surethat was a story of a kid
who, look, he probablywent a bit overboard
and I think downloaded,you know,
13,000 100,000 songsor something from there.
And they you know, justto make an example of him,
they went after him.
But you can see there's
there's a lot of thingsthat are going to be
(25:26):
behind the surface.
And there'sa lot of people
with really big moneyand with lawyers
who if they feelthat you are circumventing
the industry,
if they feel like you're
cheating themout of money,
they're going to comefor you,
they will come for you.
And so
let's let's just alltake a moment here to to
(25:47):
be sensible.
If you are,
and we'll go fromthe most egregious to the
to the least,
if you are straight up
ripping offa song of Metallica
and putting itas your own music on
on Wavelike or onone of these places and,
you know, puttingin your own personal
(26:08):
Bitcoin lightning address
and getting moneyfor someone else's work,
that's wrong.
That's a plain bad thing.
You should not be doingthat.
And that's
unfortunately,
some people are goingto do this because
everyone always does this.
But that's the kind ofbehaviour which is
just straight upnot acceptable.
That's not value for valuebecause you didn't
create the value,you stole that off
(26:30):
from someone else.
What if you want todo a cover of a song?
Okay, well,
this is where it'sgetting into murky area.
And you would probably say
if you're accepting moneyfrom this at the moment,
that's not a great ideato do
because there are
all sorts of IPcopyright laws
and they can getpretty nasty.
And if these people find
(26:51):
out that'swhat you're doing,
you'regetting money from a cover
that you've doneof someone else.
You don't own
the rights to that musicbecause you have used a
you know, you're
stealing someone else'scopyright or IP.
I personally gotsome issues with that,
but this is the waythe system set up
at the moment
that that'sthat's a bad thing.
(27:12):
And if you are if,
if you're going to beputting that up online,
it's and getting moneyfor that once again,
you're probably goingto get some questions
and people
knocking on your doorif it turns out to be,
you know, substantialportions of money.
What if you want toinclude a sample?
I mean,
there's going to be
a lot of questionscoming up regarding
(27:32):
what is rightand what is fair
and what is actuallyyours.
And at justat these small days,
let's let's all kind ofbe sensible and just say
you needto have created the song
and from kind of likestart to finish
and the higher you go up,
if you're questioningyourself,
(27:53):
should I do this?
The answer is probably no.
Should I steal Metallica'smusic and put it up? No.
Should I doa cover of this?
A bit iffy, probably no.
Should I use a sample?
Yeah, maybe,but probably. Nah.
So all of thiswill get sorted out
and it look,it sounds a bit gloomy and
people are likelyto get hurt in this
(28:14):
and it, it, it will becomea big thing.
So I would just sayas an individual,
if you are especially
for the musician,for the creator,
just, just, just bea little bit careful.
Just at least have itput a little thought into
if you're
uploading somethingand you're iffy about it,
have a real hardthink about
(28:34):
if you want to do that.
So, you know,sounds a bit gloomy.
It sounds like sucks,
but I think this isreally going
to be
a foundational switchto an industry
that does haveso many problems.
So this is where it is
like super excitingbecause you can see
there'sso much stuff going on.
There is so many peopleexcited about this,
both on the listener side
(28:55):
and on the on the creatoron the musician side. So
I think this is going to
really, really changea lot of things and
it's going to be very,very cool.
So I'm going to jumpnow onto the Boostagram Lounge.
Adam Curry (29:11):
Welcome to the value for Value
Boostagram Lounge.
Kyrin Down (29:18):
This has been a pretty good week for me
and I've just got
some interesting thingsto show up
and so
I'm going to show up
on my screenhere at the moment.
So we had Cole McCormick
coming in red
hot five, four, ninetwo, his favourite number
of percent using found.
He says music and podcasts
is a legit culture change.
Excited to seewhat happens when bigger
hosting sites integrateSplit Kit and other tech
(29:40):
so people can just clickand go yes, bang on call.
I 100% agree.
We also have another
little section
here from Guy Smileyand he says V for V
and then he justputs in a link.
And I was like,okay, what's this?
And it's wave like dotcom slash track.
And then it's got a whole
string of digitsand numerals.
And I was like, okay,what's what's this thing?
(30:01):
Let me go check it out.
And what it actually wasis he is the musician
or an artistand he has a song
which has been prettypopular.
It's called
Heads Up from Incomingfrom the Airwaves
by the band.
Rightin Progress. I believe
so. Or I might have.
Yeah. Yeah,I believe that's right.
(30:21):
And you can just see herethey've earned 159,000
sets, got 17 supporters onwave like
I've heard that songplayed
a couple of times on other
on some of these DJ setswhich I will be talking
about soon
and you can really seeokay,
there's some, there's
some really excitingcool stuff coming on and
you know,
I would just recommend
(30:41):
checking outthat song in particular,
you know, check up,heads up and
and just rock out to it.
So we've got another onehere.
Now, this was fromAnonymous, but I might
it might be Gene Banebecause I know
Cosmetic was having this
sorry,this was from pod verse.
I will just leave itas anonymous
might needto look at the time split.
(31:03):
And so they sent in
807 sets.
I thinkthat's probably wrong.
So I'm guessing that'sprobably a boob boost.
I'm guessingthat's 8008 sets because
my linkages toto these messages
kind of got brokenfor a little bit.
So I'm just trying to doas best as I can here.
(31:24):
Then they also sayyea RSS woo.
So that was also sentthrough using POD voice
and that was 1614
which yeah,I think was ten
set amount,so probably 16,000.
So Wolf, thank you.Thank you, my friend.
Very cool.
And I can alsosee I've had one
couple come inhere, Burberry
(31:44):
and he says Beautiful life17,776
Moyal sentusing the Berkeley
and then he asks,
is there a chat roomwith an 8888 now?
There isn'tat the moment, mate. I'm
it's on my to do list.
I've got so many things toto do.
But I will
I will be creating thisand I want to do it
(32:04):
so I can do thisacross the various shows.
So not not at thisparticular moment
unfortunately,but it is coming
I will spend the time toto make that happen
and to to yeah,do that kind of properly.
So thank you everyonefor sending in a boost.
You might be asking,you know,
what is a boost
well a boost is a messagethat you send within
(32:27):
the podcastingapp of your choice,
or you can even do it
on the desktop usingsomething like I'll be
the I'll be extensionthat I was talking about
and you can sendin a message directly
to the showto help support me
in my in my effortsto to do this.
It said
I can also see hereon the podcast index
Macedonia saysif you add the boost
(32:48):
bot to
the splitboost will appear
as replies in the thread.Okay.
Also another thing that I,I need to get onto,
there was one extra
little bit
that I wantedto put in here
and this was fromcardboard giraffe, and
I saw this on on the fenceand it wasn't a boost
that was sent in per se,but it did just get me,
(33:10):
I thinkshows the excitement.
And so I'm just goingto read this here.
EVERSONEver since I was a kid,
I got way more excited
about finding new musicthan anyone around me.
I thought,
how sickwould it be to be able to
have my own radio channelwhere I could share
the stuff I get excitedabout without having
to shove itin the faces of my friends
once again,talking about not
(33:30):
shoving itand not being too excited.
Now could be the time.
And then
he's got a little emojilooking sideways face.
I'm not a techieperson though,
so I'm really hoping
there are some simple waysto do this right.
I really would appreciateany suggestions for ELI5,
which is explain
like on five levellearning material.
Thanks in advance.Piece of emoji sign.
(33:51):
So that's, you know,
part of what I'mdoing for this episode. So
I really hope this is
an episode
that'll help you outa couple of days off and
I'm doing the extra effort
to put this on YouTubeas well, to,
to be able to,to show people
and to be ableto have an easy link
so that you can
actually have a visual
representation of what'sgoing on as well.
(34:13):
So that is the gremlins.
Thank you, everyone, for
for sending a messagein once again.
You know,if you want to stream
stats to meand to the person
who I'll be giving 15%to this week and to
10% to other developers,
I really doappreciate that.
And yeah, it does help
to supportthis show, support me.
And you know, it'sa value for value
(34:34):
show is not getting valuefor value support, then
I'm kind of doomed.
None of my shows will
just say, Yeah, thank you,thank you everyone
for for boosting that in.
And you'll seein the chapter art,
all the people areboosted in.
I put them in the
the chapter artfor this section
so as a as a visualthanks as well.
(34:55):
Okay let'sget on to some tips.
And as I was saying,like just,
just please keep itabove board.
If you're about uploadingthe music,
you probably shouldn'tdo it.
You know, don't put it inyour normal podcast feed.
If you're not willingto have a band
come after you as well.
And I suppose this is
just getting to thethe value for value ethos.
You can take this musicand the thing with value
(35:16):
for value is itis this upfront thing.
There are no contractualobligations.
You know,
when you upload something
to Spotify,
I'm sure that there is a
big long thingthat they say which says,
you know,
we can do thiswith your music
and this is what canand can't be done.
And you know, there'sno expectation.
There's expectations of,
you know,
we won't put an ad midwaythrough your song.
(35:39):
You know,
what is probably going tohappen
is as people are creatingthese DJ shows
and I'll explainsome of them in a second,
there's probablygoing to be some things
where it's like,
Oh, I don't likethis person,
but they're playingmy music and it's what
you just have toacknowledge is
if you're going downthis route as a musician,
as a creator,as an artist,
(36:00):
you're giving this
music upfor the wider people
to just appreciateand enjoy
and how they do that, howthey create an experience
around that musicyou might not like.
And so if you kind of comeafter someone
for for doing that,
like I said, it's
probably going to bein this reputational and
(36:20):
and relationships phaseif you don't like someone
and what they've doneto your music in terms of
perhapsthey put a cut in it,
perhaps they
spoke over a sectionas they were fading
or fading out,
or perhaps
they put it on a showwhere you didn't
think it should be
or you didn'tlike being associated that
it's better to reach outdirectly to them.
(36:40):
It's better to
be compassionate,be understanding
and just recognise
this is the valuefor value model.
If you're puttingsomething out there,
people are going tovalue it in different ways
and they're goingto chop it
and they're going tocreate it
and they're going todo different things to it
and that
the importantpoint to recognise also is
that there issome expectations.
(37:01):
If you put valuefor valuing music up
as a deejay and you'recreating things,
you should put that inas the values split
in your in your own feed.
And this is wheresome like, you know,
kind of negotiation typethings might happen.
Adam Curry, for example,he puts in 95%.
So when he's
(37:22):
playing a song, 95% ofit goes to the artist, 5%
goes to himand I think that's
he does that kind ofjust to be able
to see
the messagesthat are coming in
and to be able
to have some tellingand perhaps,
you know,
a little bit for his owneffort during that time,
If you feelthat's not acceptable,
if you feelit should be 100%,
you know, reach out to him
(37:43):
and he might say, no,I'm not going to do that.
So I probably won't play
my music on your showor your music on my show.
There'sall these sorts of things.
So so I just want toI just want to reiterate
the my tip is don'tcome in guns blazing,
be compassionate.
And if you have a problem
with what someone is doing
with your music,if you have a problem with
(38:05):
how your musicis being presented,
if you have a problemwith any of this stuff,
just be compassionate,be calm, be rational,
and not not cause issues
that could be solvedwith a simple email
or a simple messageor something like that.
So that's justjust my little tip here.
I do want to give a
this is the normal AppleService highlight section.
(38:28):
Look,
if you want to keep upto date
with a lot of this stuff,what's going on?
I would just recommend
checking out the podcastindex.
Mastodon.
So if you go to podcastindex dot social,
you'll be able to see that
you'll be ableto create an account
relatively easy to use.
Has a kind of Twitterlike feed but is or X,
but it's I actually preferit much more because
(38:49):
it's chronological.
So yeah, you don't get
blasted with actualall of these updates
details and crazycrazy different things. So
there's that one there
and Ijust want to list out
some of the showswhich are actually already
starting to do thesekind of radio DJ sets.
So I talked aboutthe Boostagram ball
(39:11):
with Adam Currybeforehand.
So there's a websiteyou can go to there.
He's got some detailsabout how you can tweet
that out
and also just
some of the appsthat you can use
which sort of support
the show,supporting the music.
So basically
all of the ones
I listed podcast Addictas well is on there.
And you know, he's
(39:31):
got a list of musicon today's shows
and he's got links outto those shows
which will take you tothe wave like album.
So that's one definitelyjust there.
There's another showwhich is called
James's Random MusicShow Thing.
So this is from James
Cridland, the owner,host of Pub News.
He's got thatthat one there.
(39:52):
So it's very much anexperimental type thing.
There's a couplethat I found out
just today in preparationfor for this show.
So there's one calledthe Black
Cat Music Project,a black, black music
podcast by Riley, andhe plays some definitely
some songs here.
He's only got one
episode out at the moment,
but that was releasedjust today.
(40:12):
So very, very cool.
Another one here by
our called It's A Mood,and this is by Mike
Newman, I believe,
and he's got four episodesout at this very moment.
And you can just see
if you go on to somewherelike pop verse,
it's pretty cool.
So you can kind of seethe chapters
(40:33):
and the different songsthat are popping up
in here.
It's got to, you know,
bridge the different songsthat he's got
so very, very cool.
His own value for valuesection in there,
most of theseare typically
about half an hourto an hour
long at the moment.
But you can imagine
the it's getting longerin the future.
(40:53):
Now behindthe schemes is a podcast,
but I can see thatthey have
and this is by Burberry
who was pushing injust before.
So definitely
check outbehind this games
if you there'sis probably one of the
most unique podcastsI've ever seen.
They are absolutely wildin there.
It's super super cool.
They, they
they areon the cutting edge
of all of these things.
And they hadan episode here
(41:15):
called before This Games,
which was on the 21stof August.
So that was two days ago.
And if you go on
to to here nowfor them, they
he didn't put any
deejay typethings in there
so this is more of a
playlist of thingsthat he enjoyed.
And there's just a wholebunch of songs here.
So if you go in throughthat, that's pretty cool.
(41:37):
I heard this one Dope.
Let'ssee if I can click on it
and they'll give me
more informationSo as dope by the
hurling pixels, I think
if I go to the show noteshere, it'll
give me some more details.
Hurling pixels dope.
(41:57):
That was a pretty coolsong.
I quite enjoyed that.
So, you know,it's a great way
to discover new music,to find new things.
So there's that onethere as well.
There's another showcalled The Fairly
Fun Show, and now you'llnotice all of these.
They only have like two
or three episodes or fourbecause all of this stuff
was inventedlike two weeks ago.
It's crazy.
(42:17):
So that was by SilasVoigt.
And once again, he'sgot a mix of kind of show
the shows songs.
He I didn'tactually play this one,
so this could just beanother another
a straight up just youknow, this is the songs
playing themone after the other.
Although I do see somepretty big breaks.
(42:38):
So he might just not
have his own sectionsin there as well.
So if you want toexperience
what it is liketo have a DJ set of this
value for value music,
there's a few suggestionsright there for you.
So we're coming intothe end section here
and who am I going to givea mad shout out
(43:01):
to for for all of this 15%for this episode?
I can't get past Steven BThis dude is created in
five different components
that are all somewhatessential to do this.
You know, the split kitis super, super critical.
Ellen beats just as ausual thing to use.
(43:21):
Kiera Costa
So you can appreciatethe music
and send in thingsand participate in this.
The, you know, he's, he's
basically like at allends of the spectrum,
he is creating thingshe's helping now with
what was it the music sideproject he's, helping
people upload like he'sjust doing so much so 50%.
(43:41):
Steven Bell
What an absolute mad
lab Chad for doingand creating all of this.
So, so appreciated.
So yeah, I'm going toleave it there for today.
Thank youeveryone for, for helping
do this once again,
I would just recommendchecking out the D
podcast index Mastodonif you want to get in
(44:03):
contact with people.
And just for me, you know,
this is a value for valueshow.
I do all of this
free of charge,
you know,just put it all out there.
All I want to dois help people
create thingsto connect deeper
with their audience.
And, you know,
if you can get paidfor that as well,
that is just absolutelysublime and perfect.
So I would just recommend,you know,
(44:25):
if you want to helpparticipate in that,
send in something for me.
And once again,value is very subjective.
It doesn'thave to be a boost.
You can sendin a suggestion,
you know, participatingin the live chat
like Blueberry has doneor in the live experience.
You can also
participate by giving merecommendations for music
(44:45):
that you've found that
you really enjoyedor other DJ sets
that you want me tocall out, please,
You know, send those
in through to meif you want to.
I don't know.
Recommendsome better audio for me.
I actually have put up
my sound panelsall around the room,
so hopefully my audiois sounding
a little bit better than
a couple of the previousepisodes and.
(45:05):
There'sjust so many things.
But you know, what isvaluable is
is very subjective.
So all of this isjust super cool,
super exciting, super new.
And I do just recommend,you know,
if you if you wantto send this out as well.
So I have done a videoof this.
So if you want to
(45:26):
be able to
recommend this in an easylink to someone,
I will put a link
down in the shownotes of the video
that I've createdfor this too,
to be able to upload
and to
to be able to send thatso that they can
kind of visually seewhat's going on as well.
So I just recommend thatas well.
And yeah, other than that,
I hope you're havinga fantastic day
(45:48):
wherever you arein the world.
I hope
you're excitedabout music,
excited about the futurein the next episode.
I'm probably going
to do it a little bitdifferent cause
I've got a friend'swedding this weekend,
so not going to haveas much time to prep.
So I will be doing
an episode on the Common V4Vmisconceptions
for the next episode,so get excited for that.
And yet until the nexttime, chao for now Kyrin out.
The FAQ of the new music revolution.
(00:08):
Welcome everyoneto another episode
of the Valuefor Value Podcast.
This is the podcast
for those digital contentcreators.
For those listeners
who want to supporttheir favourite creators
about how they can do
that, using the valuefor value model
and avoid thingslike paywalls,
like ads and sponsorshipsand things like that.
Whhhooooof,
this is going to bea big episode
(00:29):
because we are talkingabout the music revolution
and this is really
continuing on
from the last episodewhere I was highlighting
what is valuefor value music
and how
musicians and artists
are finding a new wayto connect deeper
with their audienceand also get paid
at the same time
and avoid
all of the crazyshenanigans
that are going on with
Spotifyand kind of just the
(00:50):
broken music industrythat it is. So.
This episode titled
How to Access V4VMusic
the hurdles to supportingmusicians and Artists.
So basicallywhat I'm going to do
is I'll give a rundownof the services,
the apps that you can use,both as a creator, as a
deejay, as a musician,and as a listener.
(01:11):
It's going fromeasiest to hardest.
I'm then going to go over
the kind of hurdlesthat is
we're seeing forfor V, for the music,
because it's not going to
be super easy,at least at this stage.
And then there's onebig elephant in the room
before we finally getting
on to some boostagrams,some tips,
some other apps andservices and highlights.
So let's just dive
into the showand I'm going to also
(01:33):
be doing this visually.
So if you want to seethis on YouTube,
there'll be a video there.
Let's start off
with probablythe easiest one,
which anyone can
come into,and this is Wavelike.
And so Wavelike isa service that is popped
up, which is
reallygreat for a listener
because if you go to wavelike icon
and this is wave
(01:53):
without the E,so a V like e dot com,
you can go up there
and basicallyone of the good things is
you can
really just startfor easily
listening an easyhosting of your music.
So if you're a listeneryou can just go there.
There's got a wave
like radio,there's got a party mode,
there's a trending pageof this new releases.
It's very easily clickable
and you can kind ofclick it and it will play
(02:15):
even when you're going toother tabs.
So that really niceexperience
of being ableto continually listen
to music, even whilstusing a website.
Now the other cool thingfor this is for musicians.
So let's say you'rea musician,
but perhaps you're notsuper tech
savvy,perhaps you don't really
know, youknow, what is an RSS feed,
How do podcasts workthings like this?
(02:36):
Well, what you can go doonto here is just go onto
the this studio tabthat they have.
They've got a thing.
Are you an artist bandrecord label,
a podcaster interested
in uploading audioto wave like you say? Yes.
And then basicallyyou just start going
through the process
of adding a new name,a band,
you know, social linksthat you can use.
(02:57):
Once you go through that,
you can then
go on to the audio taband stop uploading things.
So very, very easyservice service for to use
some of the thingsthat they have is
instantly playable
with the click, the point,the upload abilities,
there's charts,there's leaderboards
commentsfor the listener as well.
So if you go on to a songand you just want to
(03:21):
to check it out,you want to see what's
what's happening on it,
you can go thereand they've got a message
board,they've got all sorts
of different thingsgoing on with that.
So very, very coolservice to be able to use
some limitations with it.
It's not as smooth
for somethinglike boosting or for,
I guess like lackinga bit of deeper options
(03:43):
for splits
and some of the
real technical thingswhich we've seen
happening with podcasting.
As I mentionedin the Brewster Gramps
and the streaming
episodes, two or threeepisodes before this,
they don't haveall of those
technical capabilitiesas of yet,
but they are gettingcloser and closer.
So for those who are just
interestedin value for value music,
(04:04):
the probablythe easiest place
to go to at this currentmoment is wavelength.
Now let's sayyou are a listener
and you want to starthaving
a bit more functionalitywith what you're doing,
or at leastjust being able to
to search for the musicbecause it is kind of hard
to know, okay,what is music
that is value for valueenabled?
Where can I find this?
(04:25):
Probably the easiest place
to go forthis is Ellen Beats.
So this is Lema.
I'm not sure what the usefor end is for nunchucks
Beats Tor.com.
And this is a a website
hosted by Stephen Bellow,created by Stephen Bell.
And that'san important name
because he is goingto pop up
quite regularly for this.
(04:46):
And essentiallyit is a website
where you can just go
and see
all the differenttypes of music
so you can searchby album.
They've got a
just a big page herelisting things down
and you can supportyour favourite artist
within this websiteas well.
It's got a
a wallet
functionality here
which connects
with your Albi account,so you will probably need
(05:08):
one of those
if you want
to support people as wellbecause that is
very useful.
So Albi is a extensionthat you add onto
your browserwhich allows you
to send micropaymentsto people directly.
So that'sjust a good place.
You know,it's really simple.
It's probablymore of a proof of concept
and a testing groundfor how music will show up
(05:29):
in a feed and it's ratherthan a pure music app.
And so for thosewho are a listener
and they're wondering,okay,
where can I go to get the
best experience, a Spotifyor a YouTube
like YouTube music,like experience
for listeningto V for V music where,
you know,I can click on the button,
(05:50):
I can search it allhave functionalities.
And tell me more aboutthe artist it will be.
It'll have that musicfirst experience.
Well, unfortunately
we don't really havethose at the moment.
This is also brand new
that we're probably goingto be
waiting for a little whileuntil a really smooth
application comes along.
Now what I can say is thatthere are some places
(06:13):
where you can search formusic quite nicely.
So for example,
if you go onto Fountain Dot
FM, so Fountain,
use the Fountainapp on your phone.
This will give youthere is a tab there
where you can searchfor music.
If you go to the podcastindex website,
there is a
little button herewhich has music,
so you can dothat as well.
(06:34):
If you go on to Cairo.
Costa
They have a musictab as well
where you canclick on that
and it will populate somesome of the music
musiciansup on the site here.
So that's very helpfulas well.
The POD fans hasa search function
and play functions,
but the thing withall of these is
that they're more suitedfor other things.
(06:55):
They're more suitedas a podcast app.
And so we're really yetto have one, which is
a pure music firstapplication experience,
particularlyon the mobile.
There's there's none
that are really,really suited for that.
But as I said, it's,
it's relatively newso we'll,
we'lljust stay with there.
Now let's get on to
(07:17):
some ofthe more technical things.
So we talked about wavelike we talked about
Ellen Beats.
Now the next one is musicSide Project.
Once again,
Steven Bellhas created this
and this is justbasically a way for you
to be able to constructyour own RSS feed.
So this is forthe musician,
the artist who has a bitof technical capabilities
(07:39):
that can probably useWordPress, for example.
They know roughly,you know,
what a website is,how to upload
audio to places,how to, you know,
do a couple of things onthe Internet.
It's not too crazy.
And basicallythis is a way
where it gives youa lot more functionality
than something like Wave
like to be ableto host your own music.
(08:00):
So I did a little testalbum here for myself
and started along thethe process.
So the good thing isthat with
this is he's
got a great tutorial,
so if you goto the tutorial, it's
basicallylike easily build
the RSS feedneeded to value,
enable your musicand make it available
in a modern podcastapp or music player.
Choose your hostingsolution.
(08:20):
And he's got WordPress.
And so then he has justgot from A to B how you,
you set this up.
And so it's got pictures.
It's got real easy steps
for you to be ableto just go through
bam, bam, bam,This is how you put it
onto your WordPresswebsite.
Okay, Now come backto Music Side project.
Start addingthe details needed for
(08:43):
the album,the cover art where
bios, things like thisand he's
basically got thisfrom all the way along.
How you do thisand it's it's
it's really good It'sI even me
with my relativelylack of technical skills
I went okayI could definitely do this
because it's just so laidout in a really,
(09:04):
really easy manner.
So the Music Side projectis definitely for those.
It's kind of like thatintermediate stage
and is what isis really, really helpful.
Now we'll get onto
the rather technicalone once again.
Steven B with a thingcalled the split kit dot
com and this is
used utilisessomething called
(09:25):
the value time split.
I didn't talk about this
specificallyin the latest episode
because it israther technical.
It is rather hardto get your head around.
But basicallythe value time split means
as someone is listeningto your show,
the value block.
So this is whereyou put your information
(09:46):
for where you want moneyto be sent to you.
So in this case, you know,I've got in my value.
BLOCK So this show,
50% comes to me.
15% is going to goto a developer
that I choose of.
I've got
some othermultiple wallets
which have somefunctionalities, like
allowing me to see boostin different ways and just
split up for other things.
(10:07):
And then I sendanother 10% to developers.
Now what this means is I
can have all of thatinformation.
So if you think ofthat as as my album
or as my as meas the producer here,
this is where I could thengo, okay,
but what if I would loveto play some music
but have their informationduring that section
(10:29):
when the song is playing?
And so this is whatthe value time split does.
It means that
portion, that sectionwhere the money
is coming to me,
I can then change it
so that whilethe song is playing,
anyone who's listening,anyone who's boosting
that goes directlyto the artist.
Now there's a lot ofthings under the hood here
which allow thisall to happen.
(10:50):
And so this iswhere the split kit Dcoms
website comes inand allows you to kind of
do this real timeor after the fact.
So if I was doing a liveDJ sets, for example,
so this is
this is where it gets
tricky because you want todo this
in a I suppose in
(11:13):
an, in a method where
you can do this as,as your, as a, as a DJ.
So most of the use cases
I'm talking about rightnow, a DJ comes in,
they have a list of songsthat they want to play
and they're going to come
in and say, All right,I want to be able to
put this particularmusician in as the
(11:37):
as the person who's
going to receive
the money,and then that that will
actually go to them.
So I'm just logging inas we speak to Split
Kit Gqom
and I'm going to tryand show you like
a little demonstrationhere,
live hand ofof how you might do this.
And so
basically what
you do
is you go on to thiswebsite and you say,
(11:57):
create a new event.
So this would be okay, my,my podcast episode.
So in particular,
this is for someonewho wants to do a DJ set
or create a playlist,for example, using Value
for value music.
And so I wouldcome onto here
and I would say, okay,I've got my default thing.
So this is when wheneverI'm speaking,
(12:19):
this is when I wantsomeone else.
I want the moneyto be coming to me
and then I've got a song.
So let's just
I've picked a cherryon top by anti Costello
when and this alreadypopulates her information.
So when I play this song,when I click the button,
it will go to her.
And so when that's active,
(12:39):
all the moneyis now going to her
and you can kind of see,okay,
if I just keep adding
extraand extra songs into this,
you will create a big listthat will come down.
And if you look
at somethinglike behind the schemes,
they've got a big
just list here showing,okay,
this is how many songsthey've got
and as they're playingtheir episode,
(13:01):
they can justclick buttons.
So it's very muchas if you could imagine
how a radio station doeswhere they know
they've got a liveradio station,
they've gotsome songs queued up
when they're supposed
to stop speaking thatpress the button,
the song startsplaying immediately,
and then you can havethose, you know,
fade in and fade outeffects at the same time
(13:22):
song plays, They can goto the bathroom,
they can do whateverin that time period,
when the song is comingback and finishing,
they then click the button
to go back to themselves.
So as as they are the thethe top person.
So now it's, you know,it's like
the microphone isis going to them again
and this is when we gookay cool suite now we'll
be able to
(13:43):
have have
not just my microphone onbut also the money coming
to mewhile my microphone is on.
So very,very cool thing here.
The split kit become very,very useful.
And Steven has createdsomething that is
yeah, it'sa really powerful thing
and you wouldprobably want to use
this in can in connectionwith another thing
(14:04):
he's got which is calledsovereign feeds.
But now that is getting
into the really,really technical RSS,
be able to manually edityour feed writing in code
and things like this.
So we'll, we'll leave itas that for the moment.
So it's basicallya switchboard.
The cool
thing is a lot of apps
are starting to supportthis functionality.
(14:25):
So if you look at all theI was meant to list,
I think I listedmost of them.
So the Fountain podcastindex here,
Costa Pod fanshave those available shows
to filter for music,but they also support
the value time split.
So if you're listening
on one of those,
as a listenerwanting to give back
to the musicians tothe artist and to the DJ,
(14:47):
they support this
functionalitywhere it does
all the switchingbehind the scenes.
And then there's someothers like podcast Guru,
Pod Vers and Costa Matic
also supporting
this or will be supportingthis in the near future.
So this is super,super cool and
I guess getting overone of the hurdles
that I will be shortand talking about
(15:08):
in in a second,which is the technology.
The technologyis really hard.
So what I'm trying to do
with this
episode in particularis just say, Hey,
there is some easyservices you can use.
There's some harder onesif you want.
The more in-depth,the juicy,
the real meat ofof what's going to go on,
this is goingto completely revelation
(15:29):
revolutionise music.
But it is hardat this stage
it's still still requiressome some working
it still requiresa bit of playing around.
You definitely need to be
playing aroundwith these things
because it's not super,super easy as of yet.
But I'm surprisedby how quickly
this is allstarting to move.
It's it's very,very cool in that aspect.
(15:49):
So let's jump onto,I suppose,
some of the hurdlesthat I think
value forvalue music is going to
start encountering.
There'sthere's quite a few things
which are, I suppose just
just going to crop upand which will need
to be addressed.
The first one I've already
somewhat mentionedis technology.
(16:10):
So using the value timesplit is really hard
for you,producing it, creating it,
and then also
for the applicationssuch as all of
these podcast players
and any futuremusic players to,
to do that kind of coding
in the background,to really acknowledge
all of these things,
(16:30):
to use micropayments,you know,
there's the Internet'sbeen around forever and
we still haven'thad that ability as until
really recently withI think podcasting,
like I mentioned,podcasting
2.0 is kind ofone of the first
use caseswhere you see, okay,
micropayments really do
seem to actually bedoing something,
they doseem to be working. So
(16:53):
the skillsto be a great musician
do not necessarily overlapwith being a good
user of technology.
It doesn't it doesn't
equate in my mind
that the best musiciansare going to be able
to jump onto these thingsearly.
They're probably goingto have to wait until
the tools are available
or they're really,really motivated.
(17:14):
Now, the good thing is
that money is apretty good motivation.
And so as we talked aboutin the last episode,
you know,
if you're only getting
$2 per CPMand you can bump this up
into something closer
to like 20 or like,you know, ten X the amount
as Ainsley
Costello did
and as some othermusicians
(17:34):
are having somesome hit songs,
as youcan see on the wave like
and you can see the
amountsthat they're earning on.
There you go. Okay.
The forthe amount of plays
that they're getting,
they're probablygetting close to that,
you know,like at a hundred CPM or
certainly more than the $2which Spotify says
and which is probablya lot lower considering
(17:57):
just some of the thingsthat I've heard
from musiciansover the years.
So it's going to take timefor someone
to build that one
perfect app or that oneperfect thing, which is
super easy uploading musicput in your thing.
It's going to rely on somemore Bitcoin adoption.
It's going to relyon a fair few things.
But there's there's a,there's a
(18:19):
there's a lotbehind the surface here
and it's really,really going to kick off.
Another thingthat I see popping up,
which is not technologyrelated, is
or it's kind ofin that middle ground
which is not honouringthe splits.
So things, things can juststraight up change.
So for example,
in my feed,
(18:39):
in my own RSS feed,the value for value show,
I've switched itacross multiple times.
So you would have heard inseason two,
I was saying, you know,for this episode,
30% or 50%,
I can't remember how muchI put
is going to this podcast
because I use clipsfrom their episode.
I was doing these thingswhen I changed.
Host All of that got
(19:00):
wiped outor it's in the background
and soI need to get to it.
But you know,
that's going to takelike 4 hours of effort
to really reconstructall of that.
And you know,no one's boosting
those episodesas of this moment.
So I don't feel badbecause
it's not going to there.But you can kind of see
when when
thingschange, when things break
(19:21):
and there's moneyon the line,
people can get upsetabout that.
They can getyou know, like
you told me,
you were going to put this
in orthere was an expectation
this would happen.
And all of this is builton the
the promise of thefor video
and the premise of Vfor V, which is,
you know,
I providesomething of value
and you provide itback to me voluntarily.
(19:43):
It's all ofthis is voluntarily.
And I thinkthat can be some
things which will happenwhere people will will not
not recognise thatthis is really voluntary
and there is expectations,
but they're notcontractual expectations.
You know,
if you sign onto Spotifyand you give them
your bankand bank details,
(20:04):
for them to be ableto send you the money
that they have generatedfrom playing your music
and they accidentally,you know,
forget it or like, woops,
we deletedyour bank details
and we'll get around to it
in like three months time.
You know,
that's that's probably notacceptable in this case.
It is kind of acceptable
because I've gotso much on
(20:25):
I've got tons of thingsto do.
I don't have time to
check my feed all the timeand make sure
are your details correct.
And if you know,
if you updateyour details,
if you change your
your value details,that's going to require me
to change things as well.
So a lot ofthis is going to be on
reputation'son relationships
kind of in this phase,
and it is probablyjust worth noting
(20:47):
that if you're coming inexpecting,
you know, realpolished, real
I put something here
and it's going to staylike this forever.
Like, don't expect thatit's it's going to change.
Things will happen
both technologicallyspeaking and on the people
side of thingswhere there is,
you know,the money might not go
(21:09):
where you thinkit will go.
Let's let's just put itthat way and we can see.
So wave like, for example,
they don't honourthe splits
that are alreadyin episode.
So Abel and the Wolf,for example,
for eachof their different tracks,
they have,
you know, separate things.
Going to this personcreated
(21:29):
episode art to thisyou know, track.
They've got,
you know, this personalso collaborated.
They provided some drumsor they provided
some tunes or some vocals.
They get a splitand they organised
all of that freehand.
So, you know, this ishow much you'll get.
The thing is,you know, wavelike doesn't
acknowledgethat at the moment.
So if you send the money
through wavelike to them at the moment
(21:50):
it, itdoesn't capture that. So
just one of thosethings where it's like,
okay, you know,just, just,
just be careful,just, just acknowledge
this stuff is not goingto be super, super
on the pointas of this moment.
The last little hurdlethat I had here was,
I suppose,just the explaining
evangelising learning.
(22:11):
I saw some
discussions on the podcastindex, Mastodon
talking about, you know,
everyone'sexcited about this.
There's a
there's excitementis palpable in the air.
But we just have toacknowledge
and be careful about,okay,
you don'twant to come across as
a scammy,I suppose in a way.
And when it'sinvolving money,
(22:34):
when it's involving,
you know, Bitcoin,which is Internet money,
there'sthere's a lot of radars
which can get pinged off.
And I experienced this
sometimeswhen I was trying
to explain this conceptto people
and I was tryingto explain it to
it was kindof a crypto guy
and I was tryingto explain
all of this to him.
But because there's like
five, eightdifferent moving pieces,
(22:57):
it's so,so hard to get it across.
So what I wouldjust say is
I found it'sbest to ask questions,
to listen more, to ask,you know what?
How is somethinglike Spotify serving you?
How is the music industryserving you?
And I'm pretty suremost of them will say
like, it's not serving methat well.
It's theseare the problems.
(23:18):
And then I would justkind of go,
you know, his here, here'ssome things that
might interest you.
There's this way to do itin a decentralised manner
where, yeah,
as long as you retainthe rights to your music,
you can put this online
and you can have people
kind of voluntarilypaying you and you know
you'll earn aboutthe same, if not more.
(23:39):
You still need to createa really good song,
you still need to havegood music,
but is
there's ways to do this
which are not throughthe traditional manner
and then just kind ofleave it at that.
Don't get too caught upin the excitement
and being like pushing itin people's faces because
that that just generally
doesn'ttend to work so well. So
yeah, that's the,the other small hurdle
(24:01):
now, the big one,
the big elephantin the room
is that we're dealingwith money here.
And history has shown that
the music industry
gets pretty pissed off
when you starteating into their lunch.
And so not justpretty pissed off,
but like big timepissed off.
Let's just look at Napsterin the early days
of the Internet or,you know, the early 2000.
(24:22):
They revolutionised musicby being able to have,
you know, peer to peersharing of digital audio
done through torrenting.
And all
you would have to dois, you know, go online
and you could accessall of this music.
You wouldn'thave to pay for it,
and it's just availableat your fingertips.
You know,there was some tech
(24:43):
things happeningthere at the moment.
You had to knowhow to use something
like LimeWire or PirateBay or things like this,
or go to Napster.
It was a little bitbefore my time,
so I don't have
the experienceof actually using it.
But youcould see, you know,
what did the musicindustry do from that?
Well, they started suing
and so they wentafter Napster.
(25:04):
They went off toto individual people.
I'm pretty surethat was a story of a kid
who, look, he probablywent a bit overboard
and I think downloaded,you know,
13,000 100,000 songsor something from there.
And they you know, justto make an example of him,
they went after him.
But you can see there's
there's a lot of thingsthat are going to be
(25:26):
behind the surface.
And there'sa lot of people
with really big moneyand with lawyers
who if they feelthat you are circumventing
the industry,
if they feel like you're
cheating themout of money,
they're going to comefor you,
they will come for you.
And so
let's let's just alltake a moment here to to
(25:47):
be sensible.
If you are,
and we'll go fromthe most egregious to the
to the least,
if you are straight up
ripping offa song of Metallica
and putting itas your own music on
on Wavelike or onone of these places and,
you know, puttingin your own personal
(26:08):
Bitcoin lightning address
and getting moneyfor someone else's work,
that's wrong.
That's a plain bad thing.
You should not be doingthat.
And that's
unfortunately,
some people are goingto do this because
everyone always does this.
But that's the kind ofbehaviour which is
just straight upnot acceptable.
That's not value for valuebecause you didn't
create the value,you stole that off
(26:30):
from someone else.
What if you want todo a cover of a song?
Okay, well,
this is where it'sgetting into murky area.
And you would probably say
if you're accepting moneyfrom this at the moment,
that's not a great ideato do
because there are
all sorts of IPcopyright laws
and they can getpretty nasty.
And if these people find
(26:51):
out that'swhat you're doing,
you'regetting money from a cover
that you've doneof someone else.
You don't own
the rights to that musicbecause you have used a
you know, you're
stealing someone else'scopyright or IP.
I personally gotsome issues with that,
but this is the waythe system set up
at the moment
that that'sthat's a bad thing.
(27:12):
And if you are if,
if you're going to beputting that up online,
it's and getting moneyfor that once again,
you're probably goingto get some questions
and people
knocking on your doorif it turns out to be,
you know, substantialportions of money.
What if you want toinclude a sample?
I mean,
there's going to be
a lot of questionscoming up regarding
(27:32):
what is rightand what is fair
and what is actuallyyours.
And at justat these small days,
let's let's all kind ofbe sensible and just say
you needto have created the song
and from kind of likestart to finish
and the higher you go up,
if you're questioningyourself,
(27:53):
should I do this?
The answer is probably no.
Should I steal Metallica'smusic and put it up? No.
Should I doa cover of this?
A bit iffy, probably no.
Should I use a sample?
Yeah, maybe,but probably. Nah.
So all of thiswill get sorted out
and it look,it sounds a bit gloomy and
people are likelyto get hurt in this
(28:14):
and it, it, it will becomea big thing.
So I would just sayas an individual,
if you are especially
for the musician,for the creator,
just, just, just bea little bit careful.
Just at least have itput a little thought into
if you're
uploading somethingand you're iffy about it,
have a real hardthink about
(28:34):
if you want to do that.
So, you know,sounds a bit gloomy.
It sounds like sucks,
but I think this isreally going
to be
a foundational switchto an industry
that does haveso many problems.
So this is where it is
like super excitingbecause you can see
there'sso much stuff going on.
There is so many peopleexcited about this,
both on the listener side
(28:55):
and on the on the creatoron the musician side. So
I think this is going to
really, really changea lot of things and
it's going to be very,very cool.
So I'm going to jumpnow onto the Boostagram Lounge.
Adam Curry (29:11):
Welcome to the value for Value
Boostagram Lounge.
Kyrin Down (29:18):
This has been a pretty good week for me
and I've just got
some interesting thingsto show up
and so
I'm going to show up
on my screenhere at the moment.
So we had Cole McCormick
coming in red
hot five, four, ninetwo, his favourite number
of percent using found.
He says music and podcasts
is a legit culture change.
Excited to seewhat happens when bigger
hosting sites integrateSplit Kit and other tech
(29:40):
so people can just clickand go yes, bang on call.
I 100% agree.
We also have another
little section
here from Guy Smileyand he says V for V
and then he justputs in a link.
And I was like,okay, what's this?
And it's wave like dotcom slash track.
And then it's got a whole
string of digitsand numerals.
And I was like, okay,what's what's this thing?
(30:01):
Let me go check it out.
And what it actually wasis he is the musician
or an artistand he has a song
which has been prettypopular.
It's called
Heads Up from Incomingfrom the Airwaves
by the band.
Rightin Progress. I believe
so. Or I might have.
Yeah. Yeah,I believe that's right.
(30:21):
And you can just see herethey've earned 159,000
sets, got 17 supporters onwave like
I've heard that songplayed
a couple of times on other
on some of these DJ setswhich I will be talking
about soon
and you can really seeokay,
there's some, there's
some really excitingcool stuff coming on and
you know,
I would just recommend
(30:41):
checking outthat song in particular,
you know, check up,heads up and
and just rock out to it.
So we've got another onehere.
Now, this was fromAnonymous, but I might
it might be Gene Banebecause I know
Cosmetic was having this
sorry,this was from pod verse.
I will just leave itas anonymous
might needto look at the time split.
(31:03):
And so they sent in
807 sets.
I thinkthat's probably wrong.
So I'm guessing that'sprobably a boob boost.
I'm guessingthat's 8008 sets because
my linkages toto these messages
kind of got brokenfor a little bit.
So I'm just trying to doas best as I can here.
(31:24):
Then they also sayyea RSS woo.
So that was also sentthrough using POD voice
and that was 1614
which yeah,I think was ten
set amount,so probably 16,000.
So Wolf, thank you.Thank you, my friend.
Very cool.
And I can alsosee I've had one
couple come inhere, Burberry
(31:44):
and he says Beautiful life17,776
Moyal sentusing the Berkeley
and then he asks,
is there a chat roomwith an 8888 now?
There isn'tat the moment, mate. I'm
it's on my to do list.
I've got so many things toto do.
But I will
I will be creating thisand I want to do it
(32:04):
so I can do thisacross the various shows.
So not not at thisparticular moment
unfortunately,but it is coming
I will spend the time toto make that happen
and to to yeah,do that kind of properly.
So thank you everyonefor sending in a boost.
You might be asking,you know,
what is a boost
well a boost is a messagethat you send within
(32:27):
the podcastingapp of your choice,
or you can even do it
on the desktop usingsomething like I'll be
the I'll be extensionthat I was talking about
and you can sendin a message directly
to the showto help support me
in my in my effortsto to do this.
It said
I can also see hereon the podcast index
Macedonia saysif you add the boost
(32:48):
bot to
the splitboost will appear
as replies in the thread.Okay.
Also another thing that I,I need to get onto,
there was one extra
little bit
that I wantedto put in here
and this was fromcardboard giraffe, and
I saw this on on the fenceand it wasn't a boost
that was sent in per se,but it did just get me,
(33:10):
I thinkshows the excitement.
And so I'm just goingto read this here.
EVERSONEver since I was a kid,
I got way more excited
about finding new musicthan anyone around me.
I thought,
how sickwould it be to be able to
have my own radio channelwhere I could share
the stuff I get excitedabout without having
to shove itin the faces of my friends
once again,talking about not
(33:30):
shoving itand not being too excited.
Now could be the time.
And then
he's got a little emojilooking sideways face.
I'm not a techieperson though,
so I'm really hoping
there are some simple waysto do this right.
I really would appreciateany suggestions for ELI5,
which is explain
like on five levellearning material.
Thanks in advance.Piece of emoji sign.
(33:51):
So that's, you know,
part of what I'mdoing for this episode. So
I really hope this is
an episode
that'll help you outa couple of days off and
I'm doing the extra effort
to put this on YouTubeas well, to,
to be able to,to show people
and to be ableto have an easy link
so that you can
actually have a visual
representation of what'sgoing on as well.
(34:13):
So that is the gremlins.
Thank you, everyone, for
for sending a messagein once again.
You know,if you want to stream
stats to meand to the person
who I'll be giving 15%to this week and to
10% to other developers,
I really doappreciate that.
And yeah, it does help
to supportthis show, support me.
And you know, it'sa value for value
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show is not getting valuefor value support, then
I'm kind of doomed.
None of my shows will
just say, Yeah, thank you,thank you everyone
for for boosting that in.
And you'll seein the chapter art,
all the people areboosted in.
I put them in the
the chapter artfor this section
so as a as a visualthanks as well.
(34:55):
Okay let'sget on to some tips.
And as I was saying,like just,
just please keep itabove board.
If you're about uploadingthe music,
you probably shouldn'tdo it.
You know, don't put it inyour normal podcast feed.
If you're not willingto have a band
come after you as well.
And I suppose this is
just getting to thethe value for value ethos.
You can take this musicand the thing with value
(35:16):
for value is itis this upfront thing.
There are no contractualobligations.
You know,
when you upload something
to Spotify,
I'm sure that there is a
big long thingthat they say which says,
you know,
we can do thiswith your music
and this is what canand can't be done.
And you know, there'sno expectation.
There's expectations of,
you know,
we won't put an ad midwaythrough your song.
(35:39):
You know,
what is probably going tohappen
is as people are creatingthese DJ shows
and I'll explainsome of them in a second,
there's probablygoing to be some things
where it's like,
Oh, I don't likethis person,
but they're playingmy music and it's what
you just have toacknowledge is
if you're going downthis route as a musician,
as a creator,as an artist,
(36:00):
you're giving this
music upfor the wider people
to just appreciateand enjoy
and how they do that, howthey create an experience
around that musicyou might not like.
And so if you kind of comeafter someone
for for doing that,
like I said, it's
probably going to bein this reputational and
(36:20):
and relationships phaseif you don't like someone
and what they've doneto your music in terms of
perhapsthey put a cut in it,
perhaps they
spoke over a sectionas they were fading
or fading out,
or perhaps
they put it on a showwhere you didn't
think it should be
or you didn'tlike being associated that
it's better to reach outdirectly to them.
(36:40):
It's better to
be compassionate,be understanding
and just recognise
this is the valuefor value model.
If you're puttingsomething out there,
people are going tovalue it in different ways
and they're goingto chop it
and they're going tocreate it
and they're going todo different things to it
and that
the importantpoint to recognise also is
that there issome expectations.
(37:01):
If you put valuefor valuing music up
as a deejay and you'recreating things,
you should put that inas the values split
in your in your own feed.
And this is wheresome like, you know,
kind of negotiation typethings might happen.
Adam Curry, for example,he puts in 95%.
So when he's
(37:22):
playing a song, 95% ofit goes to the artist, 5%
goes to himand I think that's
he does that kind ofjust to be able
to see
the messagesthat are coming in
and to be able
to have some tellingand perhaps,
you know,
a little bit for his owneffort during that time,
If you feelthat's not acceptable,
if you feelit should be 100%,
you know, reach out to him
(37:43):
and he might say, no,I'm not going to do that.
So I probably won't play
my music on your showor your music on my show.
There'sall these sorts of things.
So so I just want toI just want to reiterate
the my tip is don'tcome in guns blazing,
be compassionate.
And if you have a problem
with what someone is doing
with your music,if you have a problem with
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how your musicis being presented,
if you have a problemwith any of this stuff,
just be compassionate,be calm, be rational,
and not not cause issues
that could be solvedwith a simple email
or a simple messageor something like that.
So that's justjust my little tip here.
I do want to give a
this is the normal AppleService highlight section.
(38:28):
Look,
if you want to keep upto date
with a lot of this stuff,what's going on?
I would just recommend
checking out the podcastindex.
Mastodon.
So if you go to podcastindex dot social,
you'll be able to see that
you'll be ableto create an account
relatively easy to use.
Has a kind of Twitterlike feed but is or X,
but it's I actually preferit much more because
(38:49):
it's chronological.
So yeah, you don't get
blasted with actualall of these updates
details and crazycrazy different things. So
there's that one there
and Ijust want to list out
some of the showswhich are actually already
starting to do thesekind of radio DJ sets.
So I talked aboutthe Boostagram ball
(39:11):
with Adam Currybeforehand.
So there's a websiteyou can go to there.
He's got some detailsabout how you can tweet
that out
and also just
some of the appsthat you can use
which sort of support
the show,supporting the music.
So basically
all of the ones
I listed podcast Addictas well is on there.
And you know, he's
(39:31):
got a list of musicon today's shows
and he's got links outto those shows
which will take you tothe wave like album.
So that's one definitelyjust there.
There's another showwhich is called
James's Random MusicShow Thing.
So this is from James
Cridland, the owner,host of Pub News.
He's got thatthat one there.
(39:52):
So it's very much anexperimental type thing.
There's a couplethat I found out
just today in preparationfor for this show.
So there's one calledthe Black
Cat Music Project,a black, black music
podcast by Riley, andhe plays some definitely
some songs here.
He's only got one
episode out at the moment,
but that was releasedjust today.
(40:12):
So very, very cool.
Another one here by
our called It's A Mood,and this is by Mike
Newman, I believe,
and he's got four episodesout at this very moment.
And you can just see
if you go on to somewherelike pop verse,
it's pretty cool.
So you can kind of seethe chapters
(40:33):
and the different songsthat are popping up
in here.
It's got to, you know,
bridge the different songsthat he's got
so very, very cool.
His own value for valuesection in there,
most of theseare typically
about half an hourto an hour
long at the moment.
But you can imagine
the it's getting longerin the future.
(40:53):
Now behindthe schemes is a podcast,
but I can see thatthey have
and this is by Burberry
who was pushing injust before.
So definitely
check outbehind this games
if you there'sis probably one of the
most unique podcastsI've ever seen.
They are absolutely wildin there.
It's super super cool.
They, they
they areon the cutting edge
of all of these things.
And they hadan episode here
(41:15):
called before This Games,
which was on the 21stof August.
So that was two days ago.
And if you go on
to to here nowfor them, they
he didn't put any
deejay typethings in there
so this is more of a
playlist of thingsthat he enjoyed.
And there's just a wholebunch of songs here.
So if you go in throughthat, that's pretty cool.
(41:37):
I heard this one Dope.
Let'ssee if I can click on it
and they'll give me
more informationSo as dope by the
hurling pixels, I think
if I go to the show noteshere, it'll
give me some more details.
Hurling pixels dope.
(41:57):
That was a pretty coolsong.
I quite enjoyed that.
So, you know,it's a great way
to discover new music,to find new things.
So there's that onethere as well.
There's another showcalled The Fairly
Fun Show, and now you'llnotice all of these.
They only have like two
or three episodes or fourbecause all of this stuff
was inventedlike two weeks ago.
It's crazy.
(42:17):
So that was by SilasVoigt.
And once again, he'sgot a mix of kind of show
the shows songs.
He I didn'tactually play this one,
so this could just beanother another
a straight up just youknow, this is the songs
playing themone after the other.
Although I do see somepretty big breaks.
(42:38):
So he might just not
have his own sectionsin there as well.
So if you want toexperience
what it is liketo have a DJ set of this
value for value music,
there's a few suggestionsright there for you.
So we're coming intothe end section here
and who am I going to givea mad shout out
(43:01):
to for for all of this 15%for this episode?
I can't get past Steven BThis dude is created in
five different components
that are all somewhatessential to do this.
You know, the split kitis super, super critical.
Ellen beats just as ausual thing to use.
(43:21):
Kiera Costa
So you can appreciatethe music
and send in thingsand participate in this.
The, you know, he's, he's
basically like at allends of the spectrum,
he is creating thingshe's helping now with
what was it the music sideproject he's, helping
people upload like he'sjust doing so much so 50%.
(43:41):
Steven Bell
What an absolute mad
lab Chad for doingand creating all of this.
So, so appreciated.
So yeah, I'm going toleave it there for today.
Thank youeveryone for, for helping
do this once again,
I would just recommendchecking out the D
podcast index Mastodonif you want to get in
(44:03):
contact with people.
And just for me, you know,
this is a value for valueshow.
I do all of this
free of charge,
you know,just put it all out there.
All I want to dois help people
create thingsto connect deeper
with their audience.
And, you know,
if you can get paidfor that as well,
that is just absolutelysublime and perfect.
So I would just recommend,you know,
(44:25):
if you want to helpparticipate in that,
send in something for me.
And once again,value is very subjective.
It doesn'thave to be a boost.
You can sendin a suggestion,
you know, participatingin the live chat
like Blueberry has doneor in the live experience.
You can also
participate by giving merecommendations for music
(44:45):
that you've found that
you really enjoyedor other DJ sets
that you want me tocall out, please,
You know, send those
in through to meif you want to.
I don't know.
Recommendsome better audio for me.
I actually have put up
my sound panelsall around the room,
so hopefully my audiois sounding
a little bit better than
a couple of the previousepisodes and.
(45:05):
There'sjust so many things.
But you know, what isvaluable is
is very subjective.
So all of this isjust super cool,
super exciting, super new.
And I do just recommend,you know,
if you if you wantto send this out as well.
So I have done a videoof this.
So if you want to
(45:26):
be able to
recommend this in an easylink to someone,
I will put a link
down in the shownotes of the video
that I've createdfor this too,
to be able to upload
and to
to be able to send thatso that they can
kind of visually seewhat's going on as well.
So I just recommend thatas well.
And yeah, other than that,
I hope you're havinga fantastic day
(45:48):
wherever you arein the world.
I hope
you're excitedabout music,
excited about the futurein the next episode.
I'm probably going
to do it a little bitdifferent cause
I've got a friend'swedding this weekend,
so not going to haveas much time to prep.
So I will be doing
an episode on the Common V4Vmisconceptions
for the next episode,so get excited for that.
And yet until the nexttime, chao for now Kyrin out.
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