October 17, 2023 • 44 mins
What techniques do you need to consider when asking for contribution? In Ep#54 we're going to listen to a compilation of different asks from podcasters and analyse why their audience support puts them at the top of the charts!
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Kyrin Down (00:00):
What techniques do you need to consider when
asking for contribution?
Welcome everyoneto another
episode of the Valuefor Value Podcast.
I'm your host, Kyrin Down,host of the Mere Mortals
and Mere Mortals bookreviews as well.
But this is the podcast
(00:20):
for digital contentcreators
who want to connect deeperwith their audience
and also be able tomonetise at the same time
without the use of havingto resort to ads, dynamic
ad insertion or host raidsor sponsorships
or anything like that.
Now this is the waywhere you can do this
all directlyfrom your fans,
which is an amazing thing.
(00:41):
And there'sa lot of technology and
and very cool things
that have been happeningin the podcasting
2.0 world which allowall of this to happen.
But there is a burningquestion at this,
which is you need to ask
and this is thebiggest thing to get over.
I've talked about thispreviously, but I have
had some suggestionsfrom listeners.
(01:01):
I think it was Jean Beanand someone else as well,
maybe who were askingfor a compilation
of values
and valuepitches of how okay,
how are the bestpeople doing this?
What are some tactics,some techniques
I need to think aboutwhen I'm doing this?
I have already somewhatcovered this
in season two,but I'm going to do
another version here.
So what I've done isI went to the hot
(01:22):
on fountain chartto basically
you can kind of seeFountain, one of the
podcasting apps.
They have their own
method of showcasingwhich shows are popular
just based onhow much support.
And in this case it's
satoshis coming infrom from their listeners
and they create a littlechart for themselves.
So I went to that
and I chose four
(01:42):
that were basically nearthe top of it,
but that I hadn't
already covered in season
two because you mightjust be hearing
the same sort of pitchagain.
So where
what we're going to dofor this episode,
we'll listento those back to back
and then I'll letyou know who they were
so you can havea little guesstimate
and see if you're
if you're aware of what'sgoing on
in value for valuein some of these shows.
(02:03):
And then I'll do a littlebit analysis of them,
some takeaways from thatbefore we get into our own
sections here.At the end of support,
some tips,some application,
some service
highlights,and some of all of my own.
So I'm going to playthis section here.
We're going to listento this
for about 5 minutesand then yeah,
we'll doa little bit of analysis.
Bitcoin Dad Pod (02:25):
It wasn't a big support week.
Now you think about whatthe Dad Pod's doing
here, helping
you sort out the thingscoming down the pipe
and thinking about Bitcoinin the right way.
It's a pretty big value.
So if you've gottensome value from the show,
please considersending it back.
You can usea new podcast app.
The podcast app
WSJ.com Fountain has a 1.0just around the corner.
It's really cooking up.Pod fans is coming along.
Pod versusdeveloper has now gone
(02:45):
full time for at leastthe next three months.
They left their day joband they're
going all in on podversus.
The apps are really humanthese days.
If you haven't checkedthem out in a while.
Wait, Pod verse was a parttime project?
Yeah, him and his brotherwere there.
And then of course,community contributions.
So much camefrom the JP community.
But yeah, otherwise
I know he's been workingon it for years and years
and so he'sgoing to really try to
(03:06):
to make it sing for a bit.
It's just such an excitingtime for those apps.
So if you haven't triedthem, it's great cause
they got the boost buttonright there.
Otherwise get Alby
top it off
directly,either in the app
using the muun pay
or you can do on chainor robots
ads or lightning,whatever you want.
Just get out.
Become the new boostfrom the indexes
website or Fountain FM.
You can also boostfrom their website.
Now we'll havelinks in the show notes.
Thank youeverybody who boosted it.
And we had seven boostersand we stacked 23,320
(03:29):
$0.02 total.
I have to say this feltlike kind of a light week.
So a light boost weekdoesn't
make me feel guilty,you know,
But that's for last week.
This week, I knowthis was for last week.
If you guys needto give me a get up,
you couldpick it out. Yeah. Yeah.
All right.
Well, you know, and we
maybewe should think about
what we should ask peopleto boost
in about because,like we talked about Sam,
(03:50):
I'd like to know if theyif they'd prefer.
We just don't bothercovering
that, you know,this is getting covered.
Or do they want to heara take on it?
Those types of thingsare always
things are welcomefor boost.
So here's something
the showand you want to hear
more of it or less of it
send it ingenerally via boost.
We take thatvery seriously.
It really encourages
us and any valuefrom Value podcast
Curry & The Keeper (04:08):
I was listening to Living up on.
Have you heard the latestLiving Up and Down that.
Yeah, they have like the
the donationthe notes segment is good.
People are sending
in great booster grounds,nice free.
I can feel how encouragingit is for them.
That's good.
So that's kind of
the unique part of this isyou can
press a button in ain a modern podcast app
which you can find it,podcast apps dot
com try fountain or podverse or custom attic
(04:30):
curio casts or podcastguru, podcast addict.
There's so many of them
and you can send a messagewith it.
So it's kind of it'sdouble and you can,
you can use numerologywhich people find fun
and you can sendlittle pieces of Bitcoin
which can even be as lowas, you know,
less than a pennyif you want.
We encourage youto send more
or it's timetalent and treasure.
Yeah, we love our wine.
(04:51):
We love whatwhat Brian and T.J.
do, what Craig does,All of it
contributes to the nation.
We appreciate all of that.
Citadel Dispatch (04:59):
And and the difference with value for value
versus a paywall conceptis this idea
is that you putthe information out there
because information wantsto be free regardless,
and it's going to be
free regardless.
And it doesn't matterhow much DRM you put on
it. People
are going
to take a screenshotand shared on
Tik Tok and Twitterand everything
and you putthe information out there
and if people wantto give you value,
they can send you Bitcoin
(05:19):
and you reduce thatfriction to the point
where it's convenientfor them to do.
It doesn't cost themthat much to do it.
People will actually goand do it.
So I think
I think the lowhanging fruit,
the first step is micropaywalls
and we're goingto see that
firstbecause New York Times
or whatnotare not going to switch
to a value for value model
and then ultimately whatwe will see is we will see
(05:41):
content creators.
If that's at the endof the day, New York Times
wants to call themselvesa paper record.
They're just a glorifiedcontent creator.
Content creatorsthat are doing value for
value will get more moreBitcoin for it than than
if you do paywalls.
As always, Freaksstill dispatches supported
by viewers like you.
What is this? PBS?
(06:02):
We do not have adsor sponsors.
We rely on your Bitcoindonations value for value.
We just talked about it.
You can support the showvia podcasting
to point outyou can support the show
via our announcedour live stream.
You can support the show
via our dedicated donationpage,
all powered by Bitcoin.
All the links are at.
citadeldispatch.com
Grumpy Old Bens (06:22):
pivoted into a show with no donors.
Yes, well there
there are a couple today,but that's just too
We haven't had a showin like a month.
So there's a fewthat trickle
in which is beautiful.And we appreciate
everybodythat supports the show.
But I would recommend
if you have a podcasting2.0 app,
make sure that you aresubscribed to us there.
That way,if we are going live,
(06:42):
your device should tell
you like, Wow, hey,guess what?
Theseguys are doing the show
and also watchthings like No agenda.
So although that's harderto do,
catch something offor at the last minute
saying we're goinglive in 10 minutes,
that's a little harder.
So I would suggest
getting a podcasting 2.0app if you can.
And then when we can,
if we have somethingscheduled
(07:04):
enough in advance,
we'll let you knowwhen it's going to be.
Just don't expectit Wednesdays at 1 p.m.
on the regularfor the next bit.
Let's thank our valuefor value supporters
for this show, especiallysince they haven't said
show in a while now.
Yeah, I love the show.
I mean, sometimes it takes
not doing
a show
for three weeks in orderto get the donations in,
(07:24):
but if you want to helpsupport the show
and again,
we're kind of on
hiatus right now,
but that doesn't mean
we're not doingthe shows you
if you missed the wholefront of the show,
go backand listen to that.
You can go to grumpy oldbeds dot com slash donate
All of the informationis there for this show.
Kyrin Down (07:38):
Okay brilliant.
So we had a few
shows there in particularwhich I took
some snippets fromand I'll just mention
I somewhatfor the last two
also dida little bit of editing
just so I could get
their compilationpitches all in one segment
because they kind of splitit up.
So the first topicthat I have got out from
(07:58):
this was fromthe first show there,
which washow to get extra value.
So that first showthat we were listening
to was the BitcoinDad Pod,
and that episodein particular was called
Trial Gate,
and all of these were from
their most recentepisodes.
And what I wanted to saywas, you know, many people
use Patreon, for example,
because it's a wayto store the bonus files
(08:19):
and behind the scenes,
this is the incentivefor someone
who is listening inon to the show.
It's like,
Oh yeah, come joinyou on Patron,
because you getall of these extra things.
And so that's whatpatrons business model is.
They just hostthose extra things
which are
relatively easy to
and then they get a
percentage of the supportthat that is coming in.
Now the extraincentive is,
(08:43):
is a criticalpiece of that.
And what
you can kind of see withthat is you pay
and thenyou get the extra.
That's how the patronmodel works.
You pay you or maybeyou get like a slight, you
know, a little taste
of of what this personis putting up extra,
whether it bean extra episode
behind the scenes art.
(09:03):
And they you know,
this isn'tjust for podcasters,
this is for allsorts of creators.
This is actually inverted,I think, with podcasting
2.0 in the app.
So for example,with POD fans,
you get extra
just by joining ontoPod fans and recommending
you listeners to go there.
And then the paying isjust built right there
(09:25):
within the app.
So if you go to POD fans,for example,
for this show,
you'regoing to get chapters,
you'regoing to get transcripts.
I know Sam is working on
alongwith a lot of the apps
and working
all theseother cool things,
like having the boostagram messages
shop as chapterswithin the actual in there
without me
having to do it
individuallybased on a timestamp
of when they'resending it in.
(09:46):
It's so,
so like there's so muchcool stuff going on
and it's, it's there.
So funnily enough,I would argue that the,
the patron serviceitself is a,
is a downgradedexperience.
I've used it myself.
I think the app and thethe website are awful.
I it, it pains meto have to use them
(10:06):
but it was becausethey had that extra stuff
from this
and in particularit was Andre
Antonopoulos who wastalking about Bitcoin.
And I went there just,
just for himand I just couldn't do it.
So what we saw therewith the Bitcoin
Dad podcast, he's
highlighting, you know,
go over the pod verseand tune in to us here
because you will geta better experience there
(10:27):
and this is whereyou can also support me.
So part of the askis making it easier
for your audience,and we'll talk about
that in a little bit more.
But this is it'sthis essential aspect of,
okay, the extra valueyou need, this incentive
for for supportingthe show.
You know,you get some value,
you want a little bitof extra value.
(10:48):
This is the thingthat will tip you over
into beingan actual supporter.
Go over to this app
and you will geta better experience.
So that is one of thethe techniques
I think that isis very useful.
The second showthat we heard
there was carryingthe keeper
from the episode puffer
and what you sawas they list off
a lot of namesand recommendations.
(11:09):
So one of the thingsthat I detest
just inlife is is people who
who talk the talkbut don't walk the walk.
And so
if you don'teat your own dog food,
if you don't
test these things out,I really don't think that
you have the the right to
to ask people to goto these different places.
(11:29):
Hence
why I've neverset up a patron
because I personallyjust find it
gross Like I can'tI can't use that service.
So what we saw thatwith with Adam
and his his wifeTina, was like,
how how can they
reasonablyask you to donate
if I'm not doingthe same thing myself?
So this is where it's like
the mentalityis that everybody wins.
(11:51):
And so you sawhe was recommending
a bunchof different podcasts
and he was listing out
names of peoplewho have contributed.
It's not likesomeone contributes in
and then you you kind oflike there's this
somewhat this mentalitythat I hear of.
You don't want to read outhow much support
you're getting in,because if people hear it,
(12:13):
then they're going tothink, Oh,
they're alreadygetting enough.
I don't needto support them.
I think that's the wrong
mentality to have,because if
I don't think that'show it actually happens,
I think if someonehe is are getting in a
ridiculousamount of support
and they decide not to
support because of that,
they're not the personwho's
going to support anyway.
(12:34):
So even if you weren't
listing outhow much you got,
I don't thinkthat the type,
because then you couldjust assume all the
they're hidinghow much they're they're
actually receivingbecause it's so much input
or support.
Anyway, you, you get ityou could,
you could throw itboth ways.
And in either case
this person,
this hypothetical personyou're imagining
is not goingto support you.
(12:54):
Now, what I've found in
realityis that I get inspired.
If I see someone
boost in 222,222 to a showthat's like,
goddamn, this person wasreally value this show.
It makes me it's
an incentivefor me to to boost
and even more to eitherbest them
or to to try and matchthat same level of like,
(13:14):
hey, these peopleare supporting like,
you know,
that there's
the support coming in
and they deserve morebecause you can see,
becausethey're getting a lot.
So this is whyI think it's important
to talk about
other podcast
apps that are great
and even peoplewho have helped.
You know, this is whileI'll shout out Sam Sethi
for for tuning in liveand sending through some
(13:35):
some live boostand interacting with me,
you know, that is sucha critical part of this.
And so what we saw thatwith with Adam Curry and
and with Tinais it's important
to obviously recognisethe people who are
ascending in support,showing that appreciation.
But then
I think just going thatextra step of being like,
(13:56):
you know,this particular person
did somethingthat I really enjoyed
and it doesn't have to bemonetarily
was he was talking aboutpeople who were sending in
chapter art or sending in
through a bottle of wineor something like that.
You know, it's
it's all of theselittle differences and
being generous with your
like your
acknowledgement of that,
(14:16):
I think is the way to gorather than
trying to nail it all downand be like,
secretive about it.
Kind of coming backto transparency,
which I've talked abouta fair few times before.
The next show that we had
there was CitadelDispatch.
So this was Matt O'Delland he had a guest on.
So this was CD
112 LightningNode Security
(14:37):
with Kenof the VLS project.
And then I thinkthat was even a bit more
so with his show.
I have heard of himbefore.
I've tuned in a couple of
times to the CitadelDispatch.
It's a Bitcoin showand he is very much
a getting to the heartof like the ethics of it.
He's he's not a pricesort of guy.
He doesn't care aboutthose sort of things.
(15:00):
He's very much of like,this is what I can do to
improve the world.
And I think what we sawwith his little pitch
there was
he was talking aboutwhy it's important,
why it's going to succeed,this being listener
supportrather than the ad models
and whyit makes for a better show
if people support into it.
(15:21):
So you know whythis show in particular
needs supportand and this will vary
based on the show.
So for example,with no agenda
with Adam Curry,
he was himand John C Dvorak,
they it's a central pitchof the show.
It's called No Agenda.
They are meant to haveno agenda coming into it.
They're not meant to be
(15:42):
influencedby outside forces,
which is very much what
advertisingand sponsorships
and things will do of thatnature.
So, you know,
basically you're trying
to explain why this method
makes senseand is super important.
So I think this is
this is wherethe highlighting
can also getonto a couple of things
I talked about in seasonone of are you
(16:04):
you kind ofalmost need to threaten.
It's like,
hey, if you're notsupporting the show,
the show is going to goaway, you know,
like I'm doing this
solely through listenersupport.
And look,
you don't have to do itsolely through that.
There are alternativemethods.
But as we'retalking about,
like in the last show,
talking about some statsor the one
before that I should say
where I was listing outsome stats,
(16:26):
the ones
the shows that tend to dobetter are ones
which go all in on valuefor value,
and that's justjust how it works.
If you're going all in onit, it makes sense.
And so yeah, I think it'simportant to to highlight
in your
ask why it's important to
to donate and why youfor your particular show.
(16:49):
It's it's critical.
So for this valuefor value show
I'm never going to do ads,no sponsorship,
so I'm relyingsolely on your support.
I would love to make thismy full time job.
At the moment, I'mnot even close to that.
And what I am doingthough,
is, is at the pointwhere it's covering costs
for everything,which is super great.
And I'm
trying to improve thisby doing live,
(17:10):
doingall of these new things,
such as being able toto play audio while live.
That was a new experiencefor me today.
All of thesesorts of things are
critical for meto make a better show and
and then make the productbetter for you to be able
to support back.
And if you don't donate,
this show will go awayat some point
(17:31):
because I willjust have to eventually
find a normal job,
I guess, or go backinto the mining industry
and and all those sortsof things.
So once again,very important
that you highlightwhy people need to donate.
In the last year we had
there was Grumpy Old Benswith their
very amusing show titleA Virgin Accountants.
(17:54):
And what I took mostfrom that little pitch
that they had there wasyou got to make it easy.
And so
you'llnotice that in many of the
the ones that were just
listing then, so certainlythe Bitcoin Tide pod
and also Citadel Dispatchright at the end,
they were sayinglike, Hey,
there's this website pageyou can go to.
(18:15):
So for Grumpy old Benders,
grumpy old Ben scum slashdonate and going
there is whereyou can have
basically every mentorunder the sun.
So I went to their
their websiteand they had multiple QR
code links
for differentcryptocurrencies to donate
and they had a PayPallink.
They had
a physical address
where you could sendsomething in.
(18:37):
They had explainersof why it's important to
to donate it.
And so
this is where I think,you know,
links to the podcastcost index as well.
I know people are workingon buttons to be able
to boost on your websiteas well,
on any page,
on your websiteand to still maintain
the splits and thingslike this.
It's importantthat you make it easy
(18:59):
for your audienceto be able to donate.
So for example,if you had like a link
to a Kickstarterand you're like, Okay,
to find this link,go onto my Instagram
and then I've got a linktree on there.
And then in the link tree
you'll find the linkto my Kickstarter.
That's like five different
three steps to to get to.
In this case, it's it'simportant to make it easy.
(19:22):
So make it easy.
If you're don't knowabout understanding
all these bootsand things,
go to meer portalspodcast dot com.
I support
I've got to
run through there of
my guide on the appswhich I did last week
that's now YouTubeembed on that site.
I've got the linksto the different apps
that you can use.
I've got howyou can do it.
(19:43):
I've got a littleexplanation of why
what a Satoshi is and whyBitcoin is important.
And I've also got a PayPallink.
It's so it's like
I'm doingbasically everything
I can tojust make it easy for you
and for my audience toto be able to support in.
And so I think this isa pretty critical aspect
where
if you wantsomeone to support,
(20:04):
don't don't make themhave to do
seven different things.Don't make them have to
join up to this
place to then be ableto link over to here, to
then eventuallyget to your patron,
you know, suggest an app,suggest a recommendation.
One of the thingsthat Chris Fischer does on
his show is Bitcoindad as well.
It's like,
hey, you know,try out all of these apps
(20:25):
if you want tokeep your app.
I get it.
It's, you know, it's
one of those thingsyou can grow attached to
if your app doesn'thave isn't adopting this,
which they probably willat some point.
But if it isn't oneon the leading edge,
then go to the podcastindex and boost in there.
Or you could go into
Jupiter Broadcastingand there's ways
to support that.
(20:45):
So just giving lotsof options and the easy
a breadth of options
going fromeasiest to hardest
I think is
something that ispretty important to do.
So my last little one hereis, I suppose is just
specificity and this is just related to all of them
being specific with howpeople can support you.
(21:06):
So the common parlance
for thisis the call to action.
And this is why you hear
many new podcasterstalking about
leave me a reviewand Apple, it's
really important,really helps a lot.
It doesn't help a lot.
The only reason thatthey say that
is because theythey don't actually
know what they want.
So this is athis does nothing.
And it's just not youknow, this is a snapshot,
(21:28):
I guess, of of whatI would just recommend.
In general,the specificity is
if you go back to episode17 of season
one or episode38 of season two,
you'll get a full sumup of all the asks
and the broad learningsof how you can do this.
And so being specific
with what you want.
(21:49):
And you could hear, for example, on the Bitcoin D&D
littleepisode that I played
there, he was saying,you know, if
do do you care about thisparticular thing,
this topicthat we've talked about?
I would love to know
if you do or don't
and if and that was a
very specific thingthat he asked for.
And so I sent himin a message saying like,
(22:11):
you know what,I don't really care
for that topic too much.
I'd prefer
if you talkedabout these sort of ones
that don'thave to do that.
But if they're askingfor it,
it gives me that option toto donate.
And it's a reason to.
So, you know,
this is where there'sall sorts of other things
like numerology and stufflike that.
You'rebasically just looking for
(22:31):
people are very varied.
And I know, for example,for myself,
there was this blogger whoI've followed for ages,
a long, long time,multiple years, and
I'd never supported him.
I saw his ask for support,probably hundreds
if not thousands of times
at the bottomof his of his blog posts.
(22:51):
And then one day
that was just a thingthat he said.
In particular,it was related to
I think he washe had like this shirt
and it was just like, hey,
you know, by the way,another way
you can supportis by buying a shirt.
And even though the shirtcost, you know, twice
as much as a normalone did,
this was the thingthat put me over
the edge of being like,you know what?
I've gotten so much valuefrom this dude.
(23:13):
Like,the very least I can do
is buy a shirt from him.
And so,
you know,
he would have madesome money from that more
if I'd just donatedthat to him
in exact that same amount.
But it wasthat little thing
that tipped me overthe edge
to got to get there.
And so being widewith that,
but also specificin terms of like, Hey,
you can support meby buying a shirt
(23:34):
that was the thingthat got me there. So
something to consider as
well for when you'retalking to your audiences,
making it broad,making them
have lots of easy optionsto be able to do it,
why it's importantfor them to do it.
Being generous with youryour recommendations
of of how someone can doit, or particular people
(23:56):
who have done something,
the waysto get that extra value.
And then also in the midstof all that
being specific
in terms ofyou can support me
by doing thisvery exact thing,
if you wanta memorial shirt,
which this Value for valuepodcast is under,
if you donate100,000 stats,
we will send a shirtyour way
no matter where you arein the world.
We don't even makemoney from it.
(24:16):
So this is just one way of
of gettingsome support of like, hey,
if this is the thing thattipped you over the edge
into supporting,please do it.
And you know,
if you support 100,000to this show,
this is
that is includedinto into that little
offering there.
I suppose soyeah. There we go.
That's the
little compilationpitch that I've done.
(24:36):
Jean BeanI hope you enjoyed that.
And yeah,
just another little shoutout to Sam
Sethi in the Boostagram Lounge for,
for tuning in,even though it's 2 a.m.
in Turin.Very much appreciated.
And speakingof the Boosta
gram Lounge,I'm going to go to there.
But once again,
so this is anothershout out to someone
who has helped mein the past.
(24:57):
And this is Adam Curry.
The jingle musicthat you hear
for the BoostaGram Lounge.
He created thatmultiple times
and he createdmultiple ones from that.
So instead of mymy normal one,
I'm going to play youthree of them here. And.
Yeah,well will enjoy those.
So tune into the intromusic for the
BoostaGram Lounge.
Adam Curry (25:18):
Welcome
to the Value for ValueBoostaGram.
Lounge. Have a Hookah.
Welcome to the.
Value for Value.
BoostaGram Lounge.
Ello is totally insaneis about you for your.
(25:40):
BoostaGram Lounge have had.
Kyrin Down (25:46):
Oh my God.
There's a reasonwhy I don't play that
first and last one. It'stoo much.
But yes, that wasthe intro to the Boosta
Gram Lounge.Thank you very much.
And coming into the liveboost here,
we see SamSethi with 8500 SATs
and he says want a shirtsent using POD fans.
Thank you very much, Sam.
(26:06):
So I'll have to go checkon the leaderboard again
to to where exactly
you are in termsof the 100,000 but 8500,
that's putting you,you know,
1/10 of the way there.
So just keep that comingthrough
and very muchappreciate it.
I only do it forthe actual boost messages
sent in not not SATpayments with the
(26:26):
streaming amountsbecause it's just
it would be an absolute
nightmareto calculate that.
So little caveat here.
It's just for thethe boost amounts there.
I'm going to jump backinto this
last portion of last week.
And we did have threemessages coming in.
One of those once againbeing from Sam Sethi,
and he says,I love the episode.
(26:46):
Great reviewof the new podcast apps.
Keep up the great work on
educating the world on v4v850 sent using POD fans.
Thank you very much.
But fans once againa great app
would recommendchecking it out.
He's on the bleeding edgeand all this cool stuff
is happeningand it's becoming
part of my regular routineto use pod phone,
(27:08):
so definitely recommendchecking Not out,
of course. I'mgoing to say that though.
We'vegot midst here though.
This is the owner of Podverse.
He says, Thanks so muchfor covering pod person.
All you contributeto podcasting 2.0.
I love hot android autoand seasonal support.
Coming soon to pod verse.
Of course there are 10,000
songssent using pod verse.
Yeah. Oh,thank you very much Mr.
(27:30):
Mitch de Yep.
Once again,he's going full time
on that for, for a bit.
And so you're going to see
lots of cool stuffcoming out from Pod verse.
And then finally we hadJason from Podcast Guru
just as great.
Episode 9999 sent
using podcast GuruThank you.
You know,the app developer
is really importantfor my show.
(27:51):
The mere Mortals.
I've got I think fiveor six of them in the
in the splits.
And, and it's importantto me that I help
contribute to the people
who are helping to be ableto contribute back to me
a little bit harderfor this show.
So I just do it over thereon that one, but
it's very muchappreciated.
And yeah, once again,the reason I do
(28:14):
all of this stuffis because I think
value for valueis is going to be
just as important as opensources to the world.
For example,moving forward.
The the main problem,a lot of the problems
I see with social media,for example, is driven
just by theadvertising models
and so I think having
a way for people
to connect, to peer
to peer
(28:35):
send money directly,it doesn't matter
where they arein the world.
If there's an Iranian
and they want to send memoney,
that's totally fine.
I'm not in the U.S.,
so I don't know how
strictour money controls are,
but I've tried to send
just, you know,
25 bucks to once againtalking about shirts,
try to send $25 to a bankaccount in the U.K.
You know that my brethren,Sam Sethi, is
(28:58):
but practically related.
And sending aa small payment like that
just to a bank accountwas an absolute nightmare.
Took multiplehours of effort.
So doing itthrough Bitcoin,
doing it througha podcasting app
is so much better, easierand I think is definitely
the future,
(29:18):
which is why I
continue to cover all ofthese sorts of things.
Okay, let's jumpon to the tips section
and I've been kind of
collecting anotherwe're doing a compilation
episode,so let's keep going it on
a compilation of tipsthat I've just collected
here,
my little
notes for this past
while I was goingto bring them up
at some point,but I just never
(29:41):
it didn't really fit in.
So once again,
compilationmakes sense to do it here.
So I've got fiveextra tips
that I've got for youhere,
which we didn't see
highlighted in those,some in those that
actual clip compilation.
So number one, numerology,
I think this one'sself-explanatory.
If someone has a numberthat is important to them,
(30:01):
it can actually be usefulin saying like,
Hey, if you send thisin, this is
this is what this means.
And it's just it's justa fun way of doing things.
I, for example,
almost always boostin a row of Ducks 2222
because the number twolooks like a duck.
You know, I get it.
It doesn'tactually look like a duck,
but it's kind of funny.
(30:21):
And it's an amount which
feels good for me becausewhen I do the math,
I'm like, you know,if I listen to this show
that's about a,
you know, with the amount,I'm streaming in as well
and Bruce that I send in,
that is equal to aboutan Australian dollar.
When I send that in,
you know, I'mgoing to be listening
to probably this showweekly,
maybeeven more than weekly.
(30:42):
That's going to be 50to 100 bucks a year.
You know what?
That's a
that's an amountthat I feel
justifieslistening to this show.
And so the to 2 to 2 is
I don't really meananything.
It's justit's a nice amount.
But the encouragementto boost in for
a special anniversaryfor the Miyamoto's,
(31:03):
we had 400 episodes,
so people were sendingin a bunch of fours.
One had a babyand so we had the baby
boost the 3838,which one of our listeners
Peter really enjoys,and that's
the one that he sends inmost, most nowadays.
All of thesesorts of things
I hope toon the one of the git hubs
I helped
update the boostergrand list, which includes
(31:25):
a lot of the reasons
that you'll see
these numbersin on the Bitcoin tide
and a lot of otherChris Fisher's
those people sendin the zip code boost.
So you know,
it'll be like 18 730or something like that.
And then it'skind of like, ooh,
where are theyin the world?
Let'stry and find that out.
Oh, they're in Germany.Oh, they're in here.
(31:46):
So you can do that
wherever you arein the world as well.
And it's,
it's just finding a numberwhich is important.
So once again,
highlightingthe numerology
gamification,it's pretty important.
Pop fans, you see,
Sam is trying to do that
and make it fun toexperiment with the app.
Oh, I can send in a boostand get some extra stats.
Oh, I can
(32:06):
try creating a clip,I get some extra stats.
That's pretty cool.
So doing that withinthe actual app itself.
And then as in terms of meas a podcaster,
you know, I know Adam
Curry on on this showCurry in The Keeper,
he was doing double boostfor a certain period.
So if you boost two
then 3000it would count as 6000.
I don't knowif he had a leaderboard,
(32:27):
I don't know if that was.
It was morejust to be like,
yeah,if you if you donate this,
you can getacknowledgement
as an executive producer
instead ofjust a producer.
All of these thingstriggering a gin
jingle, getting a shot,you know, leaderboards.
There's a leaderboard
on Miyamoto's podcast dotcom such support
you can see where you rank
(32:47):
in terms of peoplethey're in the top five.
We we put like an an imagewith the face on it
and things like that.
So extra extra
highlighting of peoplewho are doing it.
I know Samis is also in POD fans
he's doing like thiskind of pod fan,
super fan leaderboard,sort of thing.
There's all sorts of coolstuff going on.
So gamificationsuper important.
(33:08):
I mentioned this before,but value for value
and Bitcoinis not an either or.
They can exist,coexist alongside
each other alongwith advertising and fiat.
There's also the roomfor kind of
hard standpointslike myself, which is
can bea bit of a differentiator.
But the showcasingthe support, it's not like
(33:32):
your call to action
has to only be, oh,support me via this way.
You know, I only enjoyFiat, I only enjoy toys.
So you have to do it via
PayPal or somethinglike that.
Now, you know,
include includethose extra options
if you don't have a strongreason, not to.
I have a very strongreason
(33:53):
why I don't have a patronset up.
So so I don't do that,even though I know
there are peoplewho have told me
they would supportvia Patreon if I had it.
That's one of those things
you got to makethe decision yourself.
Generally, it'sbetter to to have more,
but if you want to be
a bit more strict on itand have a preference,
I certainly havea preference
for boostergrams via PayPal,
(34:14):
but I do have a PayPal
set up andit's in the show notes.
If you want to use it,you know, please,
please donate
via thereand I'll acknowledge
you just as much as as Ido for for a booster.
Graham
Giving a reason why
someone should contribute,
even if it'sreally tenuous,
I think helps
So if you've
got a charity drive, ifyou've got a target goal
(34:35):
to activate the boost bot,
which they do,and behind the schemes,
if it's your birthday,if it's an anniversary
coming up,
just giving people
a reason to once again,
this is getting intothe kind of specificity,
the call to action, themaking it easy portion.
If you just make it easy,even if it's
there's this great stuff
from psychologywhere basically
(34:55):
if you have like a lineup, they did this
with peopleat uni university
studentswaiting to use printer.
So if you've ever beento university,
you knowthe printer is always
just chocka block full of people
wanting to use itin the library.
And what they did wasthey'd be this long
line upand they'd have someone
cut in rightnear the front.
And one day they dida couple of options.
(35:17):
One would be like
if they just cut in
one the aisle
and without sayinganything,
another one would be
cutting inwith the excuse of like,
Hey, excuse me, I'mrunning a bit late behind.
I really need to jump in.
Can I just jump in here?
And then the third optionwas just saying like,
(35:37):
Hey, excuse me,do you mind
if I go in front of you?I need to use the printer.
And funnily enough,the one of the the,
the big long windedexcuse of, you know, I,
I needed to do this,this sort of thing.
And the excuse of like,excuse me,
I just,I need to use the printer.
They workedkind of equally as well
in terms of peopleallowing them to come in,
(35:58):
which is really funnybecause obviously
they need to use printer.
It's justself-explanatory,
but it's just,
it's almost like the
magical act of saying,
Hey, I need to do thisthing,
donate it just there'ssomething in our brains
which is like, Oh, okay,
yeah, that's okay,that's fine.
I'll help you outwith regards to that.
So if I have a targetthat I want to reach to
(36:21):
for this episode, so let'sjust say it's 40,000.
I'd love to get 40,000coming in for this loss.
This episode,
even ifthere's no reason in
terms of like, obviouslythe more is better.
And if I was only gettinglike 3000 before that,
there's something aboutjust having a target
and saying I want more,which is like
(36:42):
people would be like, Oh,okay, I'll send you more.
So just having any reasonto be honest
can actually help.
And then the last oneI had here was share
praise and celebratethe big wins.
So, you know,the more boosts that come
in, the more peoplealso want to join in.
It's this weird cyclewhere if you hear a show
with 50 boosts in it,
(37:04):
getting closeto like the podcasting
2.0 level of they read outa lot of messages.
This is where it it's
whatever your intuitionsare in regards that all
if they're gettinglots of boost
I won't send one inthey don't need it
that that's that'sjust wrong it's
that's nothow people think it's it's
it's more encouraging
and the peoplewho do think like that
(37:26):
they're not goingto send it in any way.
So it's very much
you got to have thismentality of like
people are generally good,
the pie grows
and you're not,
you know,
if I get more boostsin on this show, it's
not because I'm stealingthem from another person.
So if
if you havethat sort of mentality,
that's value for value
is not going toreally work out for you.
(37:46):
You now,
it can be hardat the start
when you don't havemany people boosting in.
So this iswhen you have to hustle
for those familyand friend connections
to to jump start it.
I know in Americaplus cold
McCormack is boostin a fair few times
he was getting likehis mum and his girlfriend
to boost in you knowthat that is I think
super valid and alsonecessary at times
(38:09):
so yeah that's that
that another littlecompilation section
there of some additionalthings to think about
when you'rewhen you're doing your ask
my apps servicehighlight for today.
Look there's quitea few guides out there
on not only how toto boost in
and how to receivelistener support.
(38:29):
That whole last episodeI did was all around this
but on how to ask as well.
So I'm just going to givea couple of those.
You'll see in the shownotes,
some some links for these.
So Fountaindid a webinar with Ask.com
without talkingabout how you can do this.
They also had ChrisFisher on as a as a guest.
They're obviously someone
who knows
(38:49):
how how to do this becausemultiples of his shows
are right up therein terms of the
the most popular onesgetting lots of support
value for value dot info.
This is Adam Curry'swebsite explaining it
real nice shotand to the point
reasons of how you do it,why you do it,
what to expectget Albee has a great blog
(39:12):
at its blogdon't get all become
which does this
and look a lot of
the hosting companiesthat are enabling V for
they have some sortof guidelines
or not only
on how to implementit just as a podcast,
but alsohow to ask your audience.
So you'll find this
like eitheron their Twitter accounts
Pod fans,I know it has this and
(39:33):
it explainswhy it's important.
I know Blueberry has
their own blog and podcastwhere they've
also got very similarthings going on. So
if you
are wondering, you know,perhaps
listening to a valuefor value
podcast isn't for you,
perhaps you want to do ita different way.
Look, there's
there's plentyof other options
in terms of video,in terms of text
where you can read abouthow to do this as well.
(39:56):
But I think a compilationlike I did
today was also helpfuljust in terms of
setting the tone.
And you can also see
all of these showswere different.
You know, one was two,
multiple of them were likeconversational ones.
One was like,you know, people
to speaking into Mike that
the topics could be aboutBitcoin
topics could be about,you know,
(40:16):
family, religion,God could be talking about
just randompolitics and stuff.
It doesn't really matterthe show, It's just about
how how you askyour audience for value
and that of course,
that you're providingsomething that is valuable
that people want tolisten to.
Okay, nice.
We're at our rough cut offminute of the
(40:36):
45 minute mark. So
today, my 15%
of value for value,I'm going to give
to all of the Clippers.
So that was aboutfive of them
or five main value blocksthat I've seen.
So I'm going to give 3%to each of them.
And yeah, was ableto split this up roughly
on what is in their feeds.
Perhaps in the futureI could do
(40:56):
value time splits.
So for those minute
long sections
I could createin those chapters,
I could havethe value time slot.
I'm with Blueberryat the moment,
so I'mnot able to do that.
But it is kind of funto be able to just
create a compilation
or have some songsor something like that
to be able to to use andthen be able to do this.
So, you know, for this
(41:17):
value timesplits in the future,
will this turn into likemaybe I'll start to add
a little bit of musicinto the show,
You know, potentially.Potentially.
I got to think about it.
It's a it's a lot of work,
but I'm really enjoying
doing these sortsof things
and testingand experimenting.
So we'll will have a lookwith that.
So you have 15% to them,
value for value.
This isthe value for value.
(41:38):
So andI've run this model.
So there's three,
I suppose, ways
to, to contribute back
the time, talentand treasure time
share this episodewith the digital creator.
I think that's probably
the most important thingyou could do
If someone is struggling
to realisehow they can do it,
send them
this episode in particular
and say like, Hey, here's
(41:59):
here's a compilationof people doing it
once again.
I would also recommend
checking out season twobecause that's where
I was really focusingon podcasting
and podcastersand creating clips
and a very similar thingto what I was doing
in today's episode.
So going back to seasontwo was also helpful
and come join me live.
I love having SamSethi here listening in.
(42:21):
It's very muchappreciated.
I know Juan,
my co-host, was alsolistening in for a while.
It's it'sso much fun to have like
these little interactions.
So I'm live on a ten
AustralianEastern Standard Time.
Typically
it has beenon a Wednesday,
so this would be UTCmidnight.
I'm going to alwaysbe at this UTC.
(42:41):
You see, I would say UTC,you see universal
coordinated time midnight.
So wherever you arein the world,
you know,
in the plus or minus
just plus or minus thatoff from from midnight
and then that's the timethat I'll be going live.
So Sam is obviously saidit was 2 a.m.
where he wasat, so he was obviously
(43:02):
at a negativeto not know sorry plus
two plus two from whereverhe is in Italy in Turin.
So yeah, join mein on those schedules.
Slightlychanged in the future,
but it'll alwaysbe at roughly that time.
So check outyour podcasting app
for the live nightnotification talent.
Is there anything I can do
to make this show better?
(43:23):
What annoys you?
Is thereany topics, things
that you really want meto consider?
I did this episodein particular
because I had someonewho was
wanting a compilation,so I created that and
I hope that they
they got a lot of valuefrom that
and I hope you do as well.
So that would be great.
Just havingsome recommendations where
what do you really want meto focus on
(43:44):
in terms of the valuefor value?
This is more of an
educational showthan anything else.
And then finally,treasure.
There's three options.
Try out one of the newpodcasting apps.
Go to the last episodeand pick one of those
eight that I listed thereand you know,
send me in a boost viathat.
You can also go tothe podcast index website
type in value,then the number four
(44:05):
and or just even typein my name, Kyron K, y,
I and,
and I'll pop uppretty quickly
you can boostand then that acknowledges
all the splits as well.
And then finally
you can do this via
at memorials
podcast dotcom slash support
And then I've gotthe PayPal link there.
I've got all of the other
you knowyou're able to boost
(44:25):
in via directlyonto there as well.
So a lot of things you canyou can do and
I just want to thank you
for for joining meinto this episode.
Two more episodesfor this season
and then I will wrapit up.
Probably havea little bit of a break,
maybe a couple of weeks
break
and then come backin through season four
because I am really having
(44:46):
a lot of funwith this show.
So we'll leave it there.
Thank youeveryone for joining me
and chat for nowuntil the next time, Kyrin out.
What techniques do you need to consider when
asking for contribution?
Welcome everyoneto another
episode of the Valuefor Value Podcast.
I'm your host, Kyrin Down,host of the Mere Mortals
and Mere Mortals bookreviews as well.
But this is the podcast
(00:20):
for digital contentcreators
who want to connect deeperwith their audience
and also be able tomonetise at the same time
without the use of havingto resort to ads, dynamic
ad insertion or host raidsor sponsorships
or anything like that.
Now this is the waywhere you can do this
all directlyfrom your fans,
which is an amazing thing.
(00:41):
And there'sa lot of technology and
and very cool things
that have been happeningin the podcasting
2.0 world which allowall of this to happen.
But there is a burningquestion at this,
which is you need to ask
and this is thebiggest thing to get over.
I've talked about thispreviously, but I have
had some suggestionsfrom listeners.
(01:01):
I think it was Jean Beanand someone else as well,
maybe who were askingfor a compilation
of values
and valuepitches of how okay,
how are the bestpeople doing this?
What are some tactics,some techniques
I need to think aboutwhen I'm doing this?
I have already somewhatcovered this
in season two,but I'm going to do
another version here.
So what I've done isI went to the hot
(01:22):
on fountain chartto basically
you can kind of seeFountain, one of the
podcasting apps.
They have their own
method of showcasingwhich shows are popular
just based onhow much support.
And in this case it's
satoshis coming infrom from their listeners
and they create a littlechart for themselves.
So I went to that
and I chose four
(01:42):
that were basically nearthe top of it,
but that I hadn't
already covered in season
two because you mightjust be hearing
the same sort of pitchagain.
So where
what we're going to dofor this episode,
we'll listento those back to back
and then I'll letyou know who they were
so you can havea little guesstimate
and see if you're
if you're aware of what'sgoing on
in value for valuein some of these shows.
(02:03):
And then I'll do a littlebit analysis of them,
some takeaways from thatbefore we get into our own
sections here.At the end of support,
some tips,some application,
some service
highlights,and some of all of my own.
So I'm going to playthis section here.
We're going to listento this
for about 5 minutesand then yeah,
we'll doa little bit of analysis.
Bitcoin Dad Pod (02:25):
It wasn't a big support week.
Now you think about whatthe Dad Pod's doing
here, helping
you sort out the thingscoming down the pipe
and thinking about Bitcoinin the right way.
It's a pretty big value.
So if you've gottensome value from the show,
please considersending it back.
You can usea new podcast app.
The podcast app
WSJ.com Fountain has a 1.0just around the corner.
It's really cooking up.Pod fans is coming along.
Pod versusdeveloper has now gone
(02:45):
full time for at leastthe next three months.
They left their day joband they're
going all in on podversus.
The apps are really humanthese days.
If you haven't checkedthem out in a while.
Wait, Pod verse was a parttime project?
Yeah, him and his brotherwere there.
And then of course,community contributions.
So much camefrom the JP community.
But yeah, otherwise
I know he's been workingon it for years and years
and so he'sgoing to really try to
(03:06):
to make it sing for a bit.
It's just such an excitingtime for those apps.
So if you haven't triedthem, it's great cause
they got the boost buttonright there.
Otherwise get Alby
top it off
directly,either in the app
using the muun pay
or you can do on chainor robots
ads or lightning,whatever you want.
Just get out.
Become the new boostfrom the indexes
website or Fountain FM.
You can also boostfrom their website.
Now we'll havelinks in the show notes.
Thank youeverybody who boosted it.
And we had seven boostersand we stacked 23,320
(03:29):
$0.02 total.
I have to say this feltlike kind of a light week.
So a light boost weekdoesn't
make me feel guilty,you know,
But that's for last week.
This week, I knowthis was for last week.
If you guys needto give me a get up,
you couldpick it out. Yeah. Yeah.
All right.
Well, you know, and we
maybewe should think about
what we should ask peopleto boost
in about because,like we talked about Sam,
(03:50):
I'd like to know if theyif they'd prefer.
We just don't bothercovering
that, you know,this is getting covered.
Or do they want to heara take on it?
Those types of thingsare always
things are welcomefor boost.
So here's something
the showand you want to hear
more of it or less of it
send it ingenerally via boost.
We take thatvery seriously.
It really encourages
us and any valuefrom Value podcast
Curry & The Keeper (04:08):
I was listening to Living up on.
Have you heard the latestLiving Up and Down that.
Yeah, they have like the
the donationthe notes segment is good.
People are sending
in great booster grounds,nice free.
I can feel how encouragingit is for them.
That's good.
So that's kind of
the unique part of this isyou can
press a button in ain a modern podcast app
which you can find it,podcast apps dot
com try fountain or podverse or custom attic
(04:30):
curio casts or podcastguru, podcast addict.
There's so many of them
and you can send a messagewith it.
So it's kind of it'sdouble and you can,
you can use numerologywhich people find fun
and you can sendlittle pieces of Bitcoin
which can even be as lowas, you know,
less than a pennyif you want.
We encourage youto send more
or it's timetalent and treasure.
Yeah, we love our wine.
(04:51):
We love whatwhat Brian and T.J.
do, what Craig does,All of it
contributes to the nation.
We appreciate all of that.
Citadel Dispatch (04:59):
And and the difference with value for value
versus a paywall conceptis this idea
is that you putthe information out there
because information wantsto be free regardless,
and it's going to be
free regardless.
And it doesn't matterhow much DRM you put on
it. People
are going
to take a screenshotand shared on
Tik Tok and Twitterand everything
and you putthe information out there
and if people wantto give you value,
they can send you Bitcoin
(05:19):
and you reduce thatfriction to the point
where it's convenientfor them to do.
It doesn't cost themthat much to do it.
People will actually goand do it.
So I think
I think the lowhanging fruit,
the first step is micropaywalls
and we're goingto see that
firstbecause New York Times
or whatnotare not going to switch
to a value for value model
and then ultimately whatwe will see is we will see
(05:41):
content creators.
If that's at the endof the day, New York Times
wants to call themselvesa paper record.
They're just a glorifiedcontent creator.
Content creatorsthat are doing value for
value will get more moreBitcoin for it than than
if you do paywalls.
As always, Freaksstill dispatches supported
by viewers like you.
What is this? PBS?
(06:02):
We do not have adsor sponsors.
We rely on your Bitcoindonations value for value.
We just talked about it.
You can support the showvia podcasting
to point outyou can support the show
via our announcedour live stream.
You can support the show
via our dedicated donationpage,
all powered by Bitcoin.
All the links are at.
citadeldispatch.com
Grumpy Old Bens (06:22):
pivoted into a show with no donors.
Yes, well there
there are a couple today,but that's just too
We haven't had a showin like a month.
So there's a fewthat trickle
in which is beautiful.And we appreciate
everybodythat supports the show.
But I would recommend
if you have a podcasting2.0 app,
make sure that you aresubscribed to us there.
That way,if we are going live,
(06:42):
your device should tell
you like, Wow, hey,guess what?
Theseguys are doing the show
and also watchthings like No agenda.
So although that's harderto do,
catch something offor at the last minute
saying we're goinglive in 10 minutes,
that's a little harder.
So I would suggest
getting a podcasting 2.0app if you can.
And then when we can,
if we have somethingscheduled
(07:04):
enough in advance,
we'll let you knowwhen it's going to be.
Just don't expectit Wednesdays at 1 p.m.
on the regularfor the next bit.
Let's thank our valuefor value supporters
for this show, especiallysince they haven't said
show in a while now.
Yeah, I love the show.
I mean, sometimes it takes
not doing
a show
for three weeks in orderto get the donations in,
(07:24):
but if you want to helpsupport the show
and again,
we're kind of on
hiatus right now,
but that doesn't mean
we're not doingthe shows you
if you missed the wholefront of the show,
go backand listen to that.
You can go to grumpy oldbeds dot com slash donate
All of the informationis there for this show.
Kyrin Down (07:38):
Okay brilliant.
So we had a few
shows there in particularwhich I took
some snippets fromand I'll just mention
I somewhatfor the last two
also dida little bit of editing
just so I could get
their compilationpitches all in one segment
because they kind of splitit up.
So the first topicthat I have got out from
(07:58):
this was fromthe first show there,
which washow to get extra value.
So that first showthat we were listening
to was the BitcoinDad Pod,
and that episodein particular was called
Trial Gate,
and all of these were from
their most recentepisodes.
And what I wanted to saywas, you know, many people
use Patreon, for example,
because it's a wayto store the bonus files
(08:19):
and behind the scenes,
this is the incentivefor someone
who is listening inon to the show.
It's like,
Oh yeah, come joinyou on Patron,
because you getall of these extra things.
And so that's whatpatrons business model is.
They just hostthose extra things
which are
relatively easy to
and then they get a
percentage of the supportthat that is coming in.
Now the extraincentive is,
(08:43):
is a criticalpiece of that.
And what
you can kind of see withthat is you pay
and thenyou get the extra.
That's how the patronmodel works.
You pay you or maybeyou get like a slight, you
know, a little taste
of of what this personis putting up extra,
whether it bean extra episode
behind the scenes art.
(09:03):
And they you know,
this isn'tjust for podcasters,
this is for allsorts of creators.
This is actually inverted,I think, with podcasting
2.0 in the app.
So for example,with POD fans,
you get extra
just by joining ontoPod fans and recommending
you listeners to go there.
And then the paying isjust built right there
(09:25):
within the app.
So if you go to POD fans,for example,
for this show,
you'regoing to get chapters,
you'regoing to get transcripts.
I know Sam is working on
alongwith a lot of the apps
and working
all theseother cool things,
like having the boostagram messages
shop as chapterswithin the actual in there
without me
having to do it
individuallybased on a timestamp
of when they'resending it in.
(09:46):
It's so,
so like there's so muchcool stuff going on
and it's, it's there.
So funnily enough,I would argue that the,
the patron serviceitself is a,
is a downgradedexperience.
I've used it myself.
I think the app and thethe website are awful.
I it, it pains meto have to use them
(10:06):
but it was becausethey had that extra stuff
from this
and in particularit was Andre
Antonopoulos who wastalking about Bitcoin.
And I went there just,
just for himand I just couldn't do it.
So what we saw therewith the Bitcoin
Dad podcast, he's
highlighting, you know,
go over the pod verseand tune in to us here
because you will geta better experience there
(10:27):
and this is whereyou can also support me.
So part of the askis making it easier
for your audience,and we'll talk about
that in a little bit more.
But this is it'sthis essential aspect of,
okay, the extra valueyou need, this incentive
for for supportingthe show.
You know,you get some value,
you want a little bitof extra value.
(10:48):
This is the thingthat will tip you over
into beingan actual supporter.
Go over to this app
and you will geta better experience.
So that is one of thethe techniques
I think that isis very useful.
The second showthat we heard
there was carryingthe keeper
from the episode puffer
and what you sawas they list off
a lot of namesand recommendations.
(11:09):
So one of the thingsthat I detest
just inlife is is people who
who talk the talkbut don't walk the walk.
And so
if you don'teat your own dog food,
if you don't
test these things out,I really don't think that
you have the the right to
to ask people to goto these different places.
(11:29):
Hence
why I've neverset up a patron
because I personallyjust find it
gross Like I can'tI can't use that service.
So what we saw thatwith with Adam
and his his wifeTina, was like,
how how can they
reasonablyask you to donate
if I'm not doingthe same thing myself?
So this is where it's like
the mentalityis that everybody wins.
(11:51):
And so you sawhe was recommending
a bunchof different podcasts
and he was listing out
names of peoplewho have contributed.
It's not likesomeone contributes in
and then you you kind oflike there's this
somewhat this mentalitythat I hear of.
You don't want to read outhow much support
you're getting in,because if people hear it,
(12:13):
then they're going tothink, Oh,
they're alreadygetting enough.
I don't needto support them.
I think that's the wrong
mentality to have,because if
I don't think that'show it actually happens,
I think if someonehe is are getting in a
ridiculousamount of support
and they decide not to
support because of that,
they're not the personwho's
going to support anyway.
(12:34):
So even if you weren't
listing outhow much you got,
I don't thinkthat the type,
because then you couldjust assume all the
they're hidinghow much they're they're
actually receivingbecause it's so much input
or support.
Anyway, you, you get ityou could,
you could throw itboth ways.
And in either case
this person,
this hypothetical personyou're imagining
is not goingto support you.
(12:54):
Now, what I've found in
realityis that I get inspired.
If I see someone
boost in 222,222 to a showthat's like,
goddamn, this person wasreally value this show.
It makes me it's
an incentivefor me to to boost
and even more to eitherbest them
or to to try and matchthat same level of like,
(13:14):
hey, these peopleare supporting like,
you know,
that there's
the support coming in
and they deserve morebecause you can see,
becausethey're getting a lot.
So this is whyI think it's important
to talk about
other podcast
apps that are great
and even peoplewho have helped.
You know, this is whileI'll shout out Sam Sethi
for for tuning in liveand sending through some
(13:35):
some live boostand interacting with me,
you know, that is sucha critical part of this.
And so what we saw thatwith with Adam Curry and
and with Tinais it's important
to obviously recognisethe people who are
ascending in support,showing that appreciation.
But then
I think just going thatextra step of being like,
(13:56):
you know,this particular person
did somethingthat I really enjoyed
and it doesn't have to bemonetarily
was he was talking aboutpeople who were sending in
chapter art or sending in
through a bottle of wineor something like that.
You know, it's
it's all of theselittle differences and
being generous with your
like your
acknowledgement of that,
(14:16):
I think is the way to gorather than
trying to nail it all downand be like,
secretive about it.
Kind of coming backto transparency,
which I've talked abouta fair few times before.
The next show that we had
there was CitadelDispatch.
So this was Matt O'Delland he had a guest on.
So this was CD
112 LightningNode Security
(14:37):
with Kenof the VLS project.
And then I thinkthat was even a bit more
so with his show.
I have heard of himbefore.
I've tuned in a couple of
times to the CitadelDispatch.
It's a Bitcoin showand he is very much
a getting to the heartof like the ethics of it.
He's he's not a pricesort of guy.
He doesn't care aboutthose sort of things.
(15:00):
He's very much of like,this is what I can do to
improve the world.
And I think what we sawwith his little pitch
there was
he was talking aboutwhy it's important,
why it's going to succeed,this being listener
supportrather than the ad models
and whyit makes for a better show
if people support into it.
(15:21):
So you know whythis show in particular
needs supportand and this will vary
based on the show.
So for example,with no agenda
with Adam Curry,
he was himand John C Dvorak,
they it's a central pitchof the show.
It's called No Agenda.
They are meant to haveno agenda coming into it.
They're not meant to be
(15:42):
influencedby outside forces,
which is very much what
advertisingand sponsorships
and things will do of thatnature.
So, you know,
basically you're trying
to explain why this method
makes senseand is super important.
So I think this is
this is wherethe highlighting
can also getonto a couple of things
I talked about in seasonone of are you
(16:04):
you kind ofalmost need to threaten.
It's like,
hey, if you're notsupporting the show,
the show is going to goaway, you know,
like I'm doing this
solely through listenersupport.
And look,
you don't have to do itsolely through that.
There are alternativemethods.
But as we'retalking about,
like in the last show,
talking about some statsor the one
before that I should say
where I was listing outsome stats,
(16:26):
the ones
the shows that tend to dobetter are ones
which go all in on valuefor value,
and that's justjust how it works.
If you're going all in onit, it makes sense.
And so yeah, I think it'simportant to to highlight
in your
ask why it's important to
to donate and why youfor your particular show.
(16:49):
It's it's critical.
So for this valuefor value show
I'm never going to do ads,no sponsorship,
so I'm relyingsolely on your support.
I would love to make thismy full time job.
At the moment, I'mnot even close to that.
And what I am doingthough,
is, is at the pointwhere it's covering costs
for everything,which is super great.
And I'm
trying to improve thisby doing live,
(17:10):
doingall of these new things,
such as being able toto play audio while live.
That was a new experiencefor me today.
All of thesesorts of things are
critical for meto make a better show and
and then make the productbetter for you to be able
to support back.
And if you don't donate,
this show will go awayat some point
(17:31):
because I willjust have to eventually
find a normal job,
I guess, or go backinto the mining industry
and and all those sortsof things.
So once again,very important
that you highlightwhy people need to donate.
In the last year we had
there was Grumpy Old Benswith their
very amusing show titleA Virgin Accountants.
(17:54):
And what I took mostfrom that little pitch
that they had there wasyou got to make it easy.
And so
you'llnotice that in many of the
the ones that were just
listing then, so certainlythe Bitcoin Tide pod
and also Citadel Dispatchright at the end,
they were sayinglike, Hey,
there's this website pageyou can go to.
(18:15):
So for Grumpy old Benders,
grumpy old Ben scum slashdonate and going
there is whereyou can have
basically every mentorunder the sun.
So I went to their
their websiteand they had multiple QR
code links
for differentcryptocurrencies to donate
and they had a PayPallink.
They had
a physical address
where you could sendsomething in.
(18:37):
They had explainersof why it's important to
to donate it.
And so
this is where I think,you know,
links to the podcastcost index as well.
I know people are workingon buttons to be able
to boost on your websiteas well,
on any page,
on your websiteand to still maintain
the splits and thingslike this.
It's importantthat you make it easy
(18:59):
for your audienceto be able to donate.
So for example,if you had like a link
to a Kickstarterand you're like, Okay,
to find this link,go onto my Instagram
and then I've got a linktree on there.
And then in the link tree
you'll find the linkto my Kickstarter.
That's like five different
three steps to to get to.
In this case, it's it'simportant to make it easy.
(19:22):
So make it easy.
If you're don't knowabout understanding
all these bootsand things,
go to meer portalspodcast dot com.
I support
I've got to
run through there of
my guide on the appswhich I did last week
that's now YouTubeembed on that site.
I've got the linksto the different apps
that you can use.
I've got howyou can do it.
(19:43):
I've got a littleexplanation of why
what a Satoshi is and whyBitcoin is important.
And I've also got a PayPallink.
It's so it's like
I'm doingbasically everything
I can tojust make it easy for you
and for my audience toto be able to support in.
And so I think this isa pretty critical aspect
where
if you wantsomeone to support,
(20:04):
don't don't make themhave to do
seven different things.Don't make them have to
join up to this
place to then be ableto link over to here, to
then eventuallyget to your patron,
you know, suggest an app,suggest a recommendation.
One of the thingsthat Chris Fischer does on
his show is Bitcoindad as well.
It's like,
hey, you know,try out all of these apps
(20:25):
if you want tokeep your app.
I get it.
It's, you know, it's
one of those thingsyou can grow attached to
if your app doesn'thave isn't adopting this,
which they probably willat some point.
But if it isn't oneon the leading edge,
then go to the podcastindex and boost in there.
Or you could go into
Jupiter Broadcastingand there's ways
to support that.
(20:45):
So just giving lotsof options and the easy
a breadth of options
going fromeasiest to hardest
I think is
something that ispretty important to do.
So my last little one hereis, I suppose is just
specificity and this is just related to all of them
being specific with howpeople can support you.
(21:06):
So the common parlance
for thisis the call to action.
And this is why you hear
many new podcasterstalking about
leave me a reviewand Apple, it's
really important,really helps a lot.
It doesn't help a lot.
The only reason thatthey say that
is because theythey don't actually
know what they want.
So this is athis does nothing.
And it's just not youknow, this is a snapshot,
(21:28):
I guess, of of whatI would just recommend.
In general,the specificity is
if you go back to episode17 of season
one or episode38 of season two,
you'll get a full sumup of all the asks
and the broad learningsof how you can do this.
And so being specific
with what you want.
(21:49):
And you could hear, for example, on the Bitcoin D&D
littleepisode that I played
there, he was saying,you know, if
do do you care about thisparticular thing,
this topicthat we've talked about?
I would love to know
if you do or don't
and if and that was a
very specific thingthat he asked for.
And so I sent himin a message saying like,
(22:11):
you know what,I don't really care
for that topic too much.
I'd prefer
if you talkedabout these sort of ones
that don'thave to do that.
But if they're askingfor it,
it gives me that option toto donate.
And it's a reason to.
So, you know,
this is where there'sall sorts of other things
like numerology and stufflike that.
You'rebasically just looking for
(22:31):
people are very varied.
And I know, for example,for myself,
there was this blogger whoI've followed for ages,
a long, long time,multiple years, and
I'd never supported him.
I saw his ask for support,probably hundreds
if not thousands of times
at the bottomof his of his blog posts.
(22:51):
And then one day
that was just a thingthat he said.
In particular,it was related to
I think he washe had like this shirt
and it was just like, hey,
you know, by the way,another way
you can supportis by buying a shirt.
And even though the shirtcost, you know, twice
as much as a normalone did,
this was the thingthat put me over
the edge of being like,you know what?
I've gotten so much valuefrom this dude.
(23:13):
Like,the very least I can do
is buy a shirt from him.
And so,
you know,
he would have madesome money from that more
if I'd just donatedthat to him
in exact that same amount.
But it wasthat little thing
that tipped me overthe edge
to got to get there.
And so being widewith that,
but also specificin terms of like, Hey,
you can support meby buying a shirt
(23:34):
that was the thingthat got me there. So
something to consider as
well for when you'retalking to your audiences,
making it broad,making them
have lots of easy optionsto be able to do it,
why it's importantfor them to do it.
Being generous with youryour recommendations
of of how someone can doit, or particular people
(23:56):
who have done something,
the waysto get that extra value.
And then also in the midstof all that
being specific
in terms ofyou can support me
by doing thisvery exact thing,
if you wanta memorial shirt,
which this Value for valuepodcast is under,
if you donate100,000 stats,
we will send a shirtyour way
no matter where you arein the world.
We don't even makemoney from it.
(24:16):
So this is just one way of
of gettingsome support of like, hey,
if this is the thing thattipped you over the edge
into supporting,please do it.
And you know,
if you support 100,000to this show,
this is
that is includedinto into that little
offering there.
I suppose soyeah. There we go.
That's the
little compilationpitch that I've done.
(24:36):
Jean BeanI hope you enjoyed that.
And yeah,
just another little shoutout to Sam
Sethi in the Boostagram Lounge for,
for tuning in,even though it's 2 a.m.
in Turin.Very much appreciated.
And speakingof the Boosta
gram Lounge,I'm going to go to there.
But once again,
so this is anothershout out to someone
who has helped mein the past.
(24:57):
And this is Adam Curry.
The jingle musicthat you hear
for the BoostaGram Lounge.
He created thatmultiple times
and he createdmultiple ones from that.
So instead of mymy normal one,
I'm going to play youthree of them here. And.
Yeah,well will enjoy those.
So tune into the intromusic for the
BoostaGram Lounge.
Adam Curry (25:18):
Welcome
to the Value for ValueBoostaGram.
Lounge. Have a Hookah.
Welcome to the.
Value for Value.
BoostaGram Lounge.
Ello is totally insaneis about you for your.
(25:40):
BoostaGram Lounge have had.
Kyrin Down (25:46):
Oh my God.
There's a reasonwhy I don't play that
first and last one. It'stoo much.
But yes, that wasthe intro to the Boosta
Gram Lounge.Thank you very much.
And coming into the liveboost here,
we see SamSethi with 8500 SATs
and he says want a shirtsent using POD fans.
Thank you very much, Sam.
(26:06):
So I'll have to go checkon the leaderboard again
to to where exactly
you are in termsof the 100,000 but 8500,
that's putting you,you know,
1/10 of the way there.
So just keep that comingthrough
and very muchappreciate it.
I only do it forthe actual boost messages
sent in not not SATpayments with the
(26:26):
streaming amountsbecause it's just
it would be an absolute
nightmareto calculate that.
So little caveat here.
It's just for thethe boost amounts there.
I'm going to jump backinto this
last portion of last week.
And we did have threemessages coming in.
One of those once againbeing from Sam Sethi,
and he says,I love the episode.
(26:46):
Great reviewof the new podcast apps.
Keep up the great work on
educating the world on v4v850 sent using POD fans.
Thank you very much.
But fans once againa great app
would recommendchecking it out.
He's on the bleeding edgeand all this cool stuff
is happeningand it's becoming
part of my regular routineto use pod phone,
(27:08):
so definitely recommendchecking Not out,
of course. I'mgoing to say that though.
We'vegot midst here though.
This is the owner of Podverse.
He says, Thanks so muchfor covering pod person.
All you contributeto podcasting 2.0.
I love hot android autoand seasonal support.
Coming soon to pod verse.
Of course there are 10,000
songssent using pod verse.
Yeah. Oh,thank you very much Mr.
(27:30):
Mitch de Yep.
Once again,he's going full time
on that for, for a bit.
And so you're going to see
lots of cool stuffcoming out from Pod verse.
And then finally we hadJason from Podcast Guru
just as great.
Episode 9999 sent
using podcast GuruThank you.
You know,the app developer
is really importantfor my show.
(27:51):
The mere Mortals.
I've got I think fiveor six of them in the
in the splits.
And, and it's importantto me that I help
contribute to the people
who are helping to be ableto contribute back to me
a little bit harderfor this show.
So I just do it over thereon that one, but
it's very muchappreciated.
And yeah, once again,the reason I do
(28:14):
all of this stuffis because I think
value for valueis is going to be
just as important as opensources to the world.
For example,moving forward.
The the main problem,a lot of the problems
I see with social media,for example, is driven
just by theadvertising models
and so I think having
a way for people
to connect, to peer
to peer
(28:35):
send money directly,it doesn't matter
where they arein the world.
If there's an Iranian
and they want to send memoney,
that's totally fine.
I'm not in the U.S.,
so I don't know how
strictour money controls are,
but I've tried to send
just, you know,
25 bucks to once againtalking about shirts,
try to send $25 to a bankaccount in the U.K.
You know that my brethren,Sam Sethi, is
(28:58):
but practically related.
And sending aa small payment like that
just to a bank accountwas an absolute nightmare.
Took multiplehours of effort.
So doing itthrough Bitcoin,
doing it througha podcasting app
is so much better, easierand I think is definitely
the future,
(29:18):
which is why I
continue to cover all ofthese sorts of things.
Okay, let's jumpon to the tips section
and I've been kind of
collecting anotherwe're doing a compilation
episode,so let's keep going it on
a compilation of tipsthat I've just collected
here,
my little
notes for this past
while I was goingto bring them up
at some point,but I just never
(29:41):
it didn't really fit in.
So once again,
compilationmakes sense to do it here.
So I've got fiveextra tips
that I've got for youhere,
which we didn't see
highlighted in those,some in those that
actual clip compilation.
So number one, numerology,
I think this one'sself-explanatory.
If someone has a numberthat is important to them,
(30:01):
it can actually be usefulin saying like,
Hey, if you send thisin, this is
this is what this means.
And it's just it's justa fun way of doing things.
I, for example,
almost always boostin a row of Ducks 2222
because the number twolooks like a duck.
You know, I get it.
It doesn'tactually look like a duck,
but it's kind of funny.
(30:21):
And it's an amount which
feels good for me becausewhen I do the math,
I'm like, you know,if I listen to this show
that's about a,
you know, with the amount,I'm streaming in as well
and Bruce that I send in,
that is equal to aboutan Australian dollar.
When I send that in,
you know, I'mgoing to be listening
to probably this showweekly,
maybeeven more than weekly.
(30:42):
That's going to be 50to 100 bucks a year.
You know what?
That's a
that's an amountthat I feel
justifieslistening to this show.
And so the to 2 to 2 is
I don't really meananything.
It's justit's a nice amount.
But the encouragementto boost in for
a special anniversaryfor the Miyamoto's,
(31:03):
we had 400 episodes,
so people were sendingin a bunch of fours.
One had a babyand so we had the baby
boost the 3838,which one of our listeners
Peter really enjoys,and that's
the one that he sends inmost, most nowadays.
All of thesesorts of things
I hope toon the one of the git hubs
I helped
update the boostergrand list, which includes
(31:25):
a lot of the reasons
that you'll see
these numbersin on the Bitcoin tide
and a lot of otherChris Fisher's
those people sendin the zip code boost.
So you know,
it'll be like 18 730or something like that.
And then it'skind of like, ooh,
where are theyin the world?
Let'stry and find that out.
Oh, they're in Germany.Oh, they're in here.
(31:46):
So you can do that
wherever you arein the world as well.
And it's,
it's just finding a numberwhich is important.
So once again,
highlightingthe numerology
gamification,it's pretty important.
Pop fans, you see,
Sam is trying to do that
and make it fun toexperiment with the app.
Oh, I can send in a boostand get some extra stats.
Oh, I can
(32:06):
try creating a clip,I get some extra stats.
That's pretty cool.
So doing that withinthe actual app itself.
And then as in terms of meas a podcaster,
you know, I know Adam
Curry on on this showCurry in The Keeper,
he was doing double boostfor a certain period.
So if you boost two
then 3000it would count as 6000.
I don't knowif he had a leaderboard,
(32:27):
I don't know if that was.
It was morejust to be like,
yeah,if you if you donate this,
you can getacknowledgement
as an executive producer
instead ofjust a producer.
All of these thingstriggering a gin
jingle, getting a shot,you know, leaderboards.
There's a leaderboard
on Miyamoto's podcast dotcom such support
you can see where you rank
(32:47):
in terms of peoplethey're in the top five.
We we put like an an imagewith the face on it
and things like that.
So extra extra
highlighting of peoplewho are doing it.
I know Samis is also in POD fans
he's doing like thiskind of pod fan,
super fan leaderboard,sort of thing.
There's all sorts of coolstuff going on.
So gamificationsuper important.
(33:08):
I mentioned this before,but value for value
and Bitcoinis not an either or.
They can exist,coexist alongside
each other alongwith advertising and fiat.
There's also the roomfor kind of
hard standpointslike myself, which is
can bea bit of a differentiator.
But the showcasingthe support, it's not like
(33:32):
your call to action
has to only be, oh,support me via this way.
You know, I only enjoyFiat, I only enjoy toys.
So you have to do it via
PayPal or somethinglike that.
Now, you know,
include includethose extra options
if you don't have a strongreason, not to.
I have a very strongreason
(33:53):
why I don't have a patronset up.
So so I don't do that,even though I know
there are peoplewho have told me
they would supportvia Patreon if I had it.
That's one of those things
you got to makethe decision yourself.
Generally, it'sbetter to to have more,
but if you want to be
a bit more strict on itand have a preference,
I certainly havea preference
for boostergrams via PayPal,
(34:14):
but I do have a PayPal
set up andit's in the show notes.
If you want to use it,you know, please,
please donate
via thereand I'll acknowledge
you just as much as as Ido for for a booster.
Graham
Giving a reason why
someone should contribute,
even if it'sreally tenuous,
I think helps
So if you've
got a charity drive, ifyou've got a target goal
(34:35):
to activate the boost bot,
which they do,and behind the schemes,
if it's your birthday,if it's an anniversary
coming up,
just giving people
a reason to once again,
this is getting intothe kind of specificity,
the call to action, themaking it easy portion.
If you just make it easy,even if it's
there's this great stuff
from psychologywhere basically
(34:55):
if you have like a lineup, they did this
with peopleat uni university
studentswaiting to use printer.
So if you've ever beento university,
you knowthe printer is always
just chocka block full of people
wanting to use itin the library.
And what they did wasthey'd be this long
line upand they'd have someone
cut in rightnear the front.
And one day they dida couple of options.
(35:17):
One would be like
if they just cut in
one the aisle
and without sayinganything,
another one would be
cutting inwith the excuse of like,
Hey, excuse me, I'mrunning a bit late behind.
I really need to jump in.
Can I just jump in here?
And then the third optionwas just saying like,
(35:37):
Hey, excuse me,do you mind
if I go in front of you?I need to use the printer.
And funnily enough,the one of the the,
the big long windedexcuse of, you know, I,
I needed to do this,this sort of thing.
And the excuse of like,excuse me,
I just,I need to use the printer.
They workedkind of equally as well
in terms of peopleallowing them to come in,
(35:58):
which is really funnybecause obviously
they need to use printer.
It's justself-explanatory,
but it's just,
it's almost like the
magical act of saying,
Hey, I need to do thisthing,
donate it just there'ssomething in our brains
which is like, Oh, okay,
yeah, that's okay,that's fine.
I'll help you outwith regards to that.
So if I have a targetthat I want to reach to
(36:21):
for this episode, so let'sjust say it's 40,000.
I'd love to get 40,000coming in for this loss.
This episode,
even ifthere's no reason in
terms of like, obviouslythe more is better.
And if I was only gettinglike 3000 before that,
there's something aboutjust having a target
and saying I want more,which is like
(36:42):
people would be like, Oh,okay, I'll send you more.
So just having any reasonto be honest
can actually help.
And then the last oneI had here was share
praise and celebratethe big wins.
So, you know,the more boosts that come
in, the more peoplealso want to join in.
It's this weird cyclewhere if you hear a show
with 50 boosts in it,
(37:04):
getting closeto like the podcasting
2.0 level of they read outa lot of messages.
This is where it it's
whatever your intuitionsare in regards that all
if they're gettinglots of boost
I won't send one inthey don't need it
that that's that'sjust wrong it's
that's nothow people think it's it's
it's more encouraging
and the peoplewho do think like that
(37:26):
they're not goingto send it in any way.
So it's very much
you got to have thismentality of like
people are generally good,
the pie grows
and you're not,
you know,
if I get more boostsin on this show, it's
not because I'm stealingthem from another person.
So if
if you havethat sort of mentality,
that's value for value
is not going toreally work out for you.
(37:46):
You now,
it can be hardat the start
when you don't havemany people boosting in.
So this iswhen you have to hustle
for those familyand friend connections
to to jump start it.
I know in Americaplus cold
McCormack is boostin a fair few times
he was getting likehis mum and his girlfriend
to boost in you knowthat that is I think
super valid and alsonecessary at times
(38:09):
so yeah that's that
that another littlecompilation section
there of some additionalthings to think about
when you'rewhen you're doing your ask
my apps servicehighlight for today.
Look there's quitea few guides out there
on not only how toto boost in
and how to receivelistener support.
(38:29):
That whole last episodeI did was all around this
but on how to ask as well.
So I'm just going to givea couple of those.
You'll see in the shownotes,
some some links for these.
So Fountaindid a webinar with Ask.com
without talkingabout how you can do this.
They also had ChrisFisher on as a as a guest.
They're obviously someone
who knows
(38:49):
how how to do this becausemultiples of his shows
are right up therein terms of the
the most popular onesgetting lots of support
value for value dot info.
This is Adam Curry'swebsite explaining it
real nice shotand to the point
reasons of how you do it,why you do it,
what to expectget Albee has a great blog
(39:12):
at its blogdon't get all become
which does this
and look a lot of
the hosting companiesthat are enabling V for
they have some sortof guidelines
or not only
on how to implementit just as a podcast,
but alsohow to ask your audience.
So you'll find this
like eitheron their Twitter accounts
Pod fans,I know it has this and
(39:33):
it explainswhy it's important.
I know Blueberry has
their own blog and podcastwhere they've
also got very similarthings going on. So
if you
are wondering, you know,perhaps
listening to a valuefor value
podcast isn't for you,
perhaps you want to do ita different way.
Look, there's
there's plentyof other options
in terms of video,in terms of text
where you can read abouthow to do this as well.
(39:56):
But I think a compilationlike I did
today was also helpfuljust in terms of
setting the tone.
And you can also see
all of these showswere different.
You know, one was two,
multiple of them were likeconversational ones.
One was like,you know, people
to speaking into Mike that
the topics could be aboutBitcoin
topics could be about,you know,
(40:16):
family, religion,God could be talking about
just randompolitics and stuff.
It doesn't really matterthe show, It's just about
how how you askyour audience for value
and that of course,
that you're providingsomething that is valuable
that people want tolisten to.
Okay, nice.
We're at our rough cut offminute of the
(40:36):
45 minute mark. So
today, my 15%
of value for value,I'm going to give
to all of the Clippers.
So that was aboutfive of them
or five main value blocksthat I've seen.
So I'm going to give 3%to each of them.
And yeah, was ableto split this up roughly
on what is in their feeds.
Perhaps in the futureI could do
(40:56):
value time splits.
So for those minute
long sections
I could createin those chapters,
I could havethe value time slot.
I'm with Blueberryat the moment,
so I'mnot able to do that.
But it is kind of funto be able to just
create a compilation
or have some songsor something like that
to be able to to use andthen be able to do this.
So, you know, for this
(41:17):
value timesplits in the future,
will this turn into likemaybe I'll start to add
a little bit of musicinto the show,
You know, potentially.Potentially.
I got to think about it.
It's a it's a lot of work,
but I'm really enjoying
doing these sortsof things
and testingand experimenting.
So we'll will have a lookwith that.
So you have 15% to them,
value for value.
This isthe value for value.
(41:38):
So andI've run this model.
So there's three,
I suppose, ways
to, to contribute back
the time, talentand treasure time
share this episodewith the digital creator.
I think that's probably
the most important thingyou could do
If someone is struggling
to realisehow they can do it,
send them
this episode in particular
and say like, Hey, here's
(41:59):
here's a compilationof people doing it
once again.
I would also recommend
checking out season twobecause that's where
I was really focusingon podcasting
and podcastersand creating clips
and a very similar thingto what I was doing
in today's episode.
So going back to seasontwo was also helpful
and come join me live.
I love having SamSethi here listening in.
(42:21):
It's very muchappreciated.
I know Juan,
my co-host, was alsolistening in for a while.
It's it'sso much fun to have like
these little interactions.
So I'm live on a ten
AustralianEastern Standard Time.
Typically
it has beenon a Wednesday,
so this would be UTCmidnight.
I'm going to alwaysbe at this UTC.
(42:41):
You see, I would say UTC,you see universal
coordinated time midnight.
So wherever you arein the world,
you know,
in the plus or minus
just plus or minus thatoff from from midnight
and then that's the timethat I'll be going live.
So Sam is obviously saidit was 2 a.m.
where he wasat, so he was obviously
(43:02):
at a negativeto not know sorry plus
two plus two from whereverhe is in Italy in Turin.
So yeah, join mein on those schedules.
Slightlychanged in the future,
but it'll alwaysbe at roughly that time.
So check outyour podcasting app
for the live nightnotification talent.
Is there anything I can do
to make this show better?
(43:23):
What annoys you?
Is thereany topics, things
that you really want meto consider?
I did this episodein particular
because I had someonewho was
wanting a compilation,so I created that and
I hope that they
they got a lot of valuefrom that
and I hope you do as well.
So that would be great.
Just havingsome recommendations where
what do you really want meto focus on
(43:44):
in terms of the valuefor value?
This is more of an
educational showthan anything else.
And then finally,treasure.
There's three options.
Try out one of the newpodcasting apps.
Go to the last episodeand pick one of those
eight that I listed thereand you know,
send me in a boost viathat.
You can also go tothe podcast index website
type in value,then the number four
(44:05):
and or just even typein my name, Kyron K, y,
I and,
and I'll pop uppretty quickly
you can boostand then that acknowledges
all the splits as well.
And then finally
you can do this via
at memorials
podcast dotcom slash support
And then I've gotthe PayPal link there.
I've got all of the other
you knowyou're able to boost
(44:25):
in via directlyonto there as well.
So a lot of things you canyou can do and
I just want to thank you
for for joining meinto this episode.
Two more episodesfor this season
and then I will wrapit up.
Probably havea little bit of a break,
maybe a couple of weeks
break
and then come backin through season four
because I am really having
(44:46):
a lot of funwith this show.
So we'll leave it there.
Thank youeveryone for joining me
and chat for nowuntil the next time, Kyrin out.
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