Winning the Podcast Game: Nick Dais on Sports Betting, Authenticity & Building a Loyal Audience

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Join us on an electrifying journey into the world of podcasting with our esteemed guest, Nick Dais, a professional sports bettor and seasoned podcast producer. Nick takes us through his unique voyage from his family's business in Queens to the vibrant sports podcasting space, launching his first show, Veterans Minimum. Alongside his intriguing tales, Nick reveals the inside scoop on what distinguishes top-earning podcasters, his inventive integration of sports betting into sports talk, and the relentless dedication needed to evolve and thrive in this dynamic industry.

Nick's dual role as both on-air talent and behind-the-scenes producer offers listeners a multifaceted view of sports podcast production. With his love for sports like basketball, UFC, and international soccer, he underscores the importance of authenticity and personality in crafting engaging content. The episode shines a light on how passion and genuine connections can build a thriving podcast community, where strategic collaboration and honesty play pivotal roles.

The conversation crescendos with inspiring stories of seizing rare opportunities, like meeting admired figures such as rapper Cam’ron, and the significance of investing in oneself and building sincere relationships. Nick also shares his insights on the evolving landscape of podcasting, emphasizing strategies like incorporating video content and exploring monetization avenues. This episode is packed with insights, personal anecdotes, and motivational moments that highlight the power of hustle and authentic connections in the podcasting realm.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to Vegas Circle Podcast with your hosts,
paki and Chris.
We are people who arepassionate about business,
success and culture and this isour platform to showcase to
people in our city who make ithappen.
On today's podcast, we're goingto be uncovering the secrets
behind building a successfulpodcast, crafting the right
concept of producing a standoutshow.
Plus, we'll dive into the worldof sports betting and explore

(00:31):
what separates the top earningpodcasters from the rest.
Let's welcome the host ofVeterans, minimum professional
sports bettor.
Producer of Cam and Mace's showcalled it Is what it Is.
We've got Mr Nick Diaz.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I said it the right way, man.
Get you the proper introduction, man.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
It's good to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, man, it's good to finally have you.
Man, we got a mutual friend,chris Morhan, from New York City
also.
I got to say this to you inperson again on camera.
We talked about it when wefirst met.
But Chris has said this guy,I'm going to tell you straight
up, he is a star.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Whoa, that's a lot of expectation that he's throwing
at me.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
That's what he told me.
I appreciate that man.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Chris is the man we actually spoke today.
He sent me a really dopemessage.
Yesterday I posted a video ofMace and I Mace asked me for
hand lotion oh, that's hilarious.
And I was like, yeah, we gotsomething.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
And as I go to walk out, I go.
Yo, you want baby oil, maybewith the puff stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
yeah, and uh, and chris just like wrote like bro,
think about how crazy this is,like you're busting his balls.
Think about, like you know,just so, so often we don't think
about like all the shit we'veachieved.
Oh yeah, and I'm guilty of that, I'm constantly like more and
more and more I've done a betterjob as of late, looking back at
like damn yo, what I'm doingnow is pretty dope, one thousand

(01:52):
percent.
But it's cool to hear that andand that's.
I don't use the term big brooften, yeah, especially being
from new york, it's kind of aweird saying, but like that's,
that's my guy man to this day,like anything vegas related, any
advice, like I go to him.
So I appreciate that comingfrom, yeah he's good, really,
really good doing.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
We had him on the pod and obviously you know what
he's doing, so we'll get intothat.
But we tap into his his uhepisode when we have.
But let's dive in man.
So originally from queens, newyork city, yes, sir, but you
jumped.
So you were in the familybusiness before with your father
, yep, but you jumped in thepodcast business early, man.
I want to say about 10, 11years.
You've been in the space right2015.
Okay, so you got in rightbefore us.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, 2015,.
I started Veterans Minimum withabout four other friends.
Okay, I was always a sportsbetting dude in my friend group.
I was always, and still am,like an encyclopedia.
I can name games, fuckingplayers, all that right.
And he's a really successfullike youtuber and he saw where

(02:49):
the content space was going.
He's like yo, I got this ideato start a sports show.
He's like yo, you'd be perfectfor it.
Like there's, there's thebetting angle, and for years, my
take was always betting is thegiant elephant in the room that
people just ignore.
But everyone's doing it right,of course, yeah why else is a
thursday night football game sointeresting when it's like
jaguars?

Speaker 1 (03:05):
you got too much money on the line.
They got money on the lineright.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
So we started that and through the years, man, I
started doing more podcasts,like I was at the time.
Veterans minimum was just likea new york sports vibe sports
talk show and we covered likemajor national news in the
sports world.
And then it it had the New Yorklingo and the flavor to it.
And then I would start doinglike betting segments within

(03:28):
that.
You know like, yeah, I thinkthis team's going to win, but I
don't know, seven and a halfpoints is a lot.
You know this and that and sortof school in the audience on
like what sports betting reallyis.
And then I started my ownsports betting.
Show off that betting.
Show off that.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
All veterans minimum okay it was called degeneration
bets.
Okay, I'm a big wrestling fangrowing up.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Okay, I didn't know what that meant I was gonna ask
you degeneration x, degeneratebets.
It kind of flowed okay um, yeah,and then I was like I said I'm
a huge wrestling fan, so I wasdoing a wrestling show too.
So I was doing a bunch ofdifferent shit in the beginning
and I was doing that for aboutfour years, okay, and then
through time, you know, peoplejust went their separate ways.
I was going through my own shittoo.
I wasn't the best person to beworking with and getting along

(04:10):
and, uh, it's kind of damaged myrelationship with those guys.
It's become very, you know,like childhood friends and it's
impossible for me to not mixpersonal with business, because
my business is personal.
So for me it's like when youbail on my show, even if you're
my friend, you're a dick and I'mgonna be, upset about that it
impacts you, yeah yeah, you know, like you guys know, we've been

(04:32):
booking.
How long have we booked thisshow?
Like maybe a month, and then wemet like two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
So yeah, and like oh, you respect people's time
especially when you're in thisfield and we talked about a
hundred times before that, justto make sure everything's on
right.
Yeah, people's schedules change.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, man, and I do that to this day.
I'll you know, if I booksomeone, say today's the fifth,
right, if I booked them december5th, I'd hit them up three
weeks out like hey, man, youknow, here's the bullet points.
You know, this is what I wantto talk about.
Feel free to you know, twoweeks out, like yo, we're still
good.
One week out, hey, I'm excited,you know.
And then you never know, I'vehad people bail like 30 minutes

(05:06):
before.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, we have too.
It's frustrating because it'snot a hobby, right Like you're
doing this for a reason You'redoing it because you enjoy it,
you're passionate, you free upyour time to invest in it.
So it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I understand where you get frustrated, yeah, and
then dude, when you're buildingsomething Like I say hit your
days, hit your days.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
I like that Mondays and Thursdays.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
You're getting two episodes.
You're getting an episode twicea week on those days.
Now look, because of scheduling, sometimes I might release it
at 11.50 Monday night.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
But you're going to get it Monday.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, you're going to get it Monday.
So when you wake up Tuesday,massive spike in my listens
Tuesday morning, becausesometimes on the East Coast,
especially if I'm releasing ithere at 9 30, it's 12 30 right,
and then Thursday.
So, like you're gonna get thetwo shows, gotta hit your days.
So, to your point, it's notonly your expectations, it's

(05:56):
your audience too.
It's your responsibility tothem for sure people listen.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Like you said, they look forward to it they're
getting a lot of informationfrom you.
They're feeling good, feelingconnected.
It's like, well, where'd he go?

Speaker 2 (06:04):
yeah, it's not you like you would have you showed
up, bro, totally man, and it was.
It was really eye-openingbecause ever since I started the
show, I never took no time off,we were just talking.
So over the summer, due to acouple of different things, um,
studio was going through somenew changes, cam and mace
wearing recording.
I was like yo, I've been takinga break.

(06:26):
I feel like I earned one.
You know, in nine years Ihaven't.
And uh, it was perfect becausethe nfl preview show I do is
like my biggest show of the year.
It's about three to four hours.
We literally break down everysingle team like we spent like
12 minutes on the titans, rightlike who the fuck wants to talk
about them, but that's stillthree to four hours of content
is very good.
That's hard to do.
Sure, yeah, absolutely, andit's like the flagship show.

(06:49):
So I knew, even though I tookthe break, I'm going to get the
audience to listen to that one.
So I'll get the momentum back.
And I remember like one of thecoolest messages I got from some
fan, like 10 days into my break, he was like I fucking miss you
, bro, because he's because youbecome a part of the best fellas
of the world.

(07:09):
Yeah, dude, amazing feeling andyou become so a part of people's
lives.
Like think about the contentand shows you guys consume.
Yeah, isn't it the worst whenthe season ends?

Speaker 1 (07:18):
and now you gotta wait six months.
So you're like, yeah, man,every sunday night I thought
about the relationship with bro.
At least listen to the voiceand it keeps you subconsciously.
Yeah, or the show.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
So that was the first time that I took a break, and
it was really eye-opening to seejust how appreciated your
content is too.
Yeah, because, like what wewere talking about before, I'm
so in the now.
Well, now I'm in the now, butso much is like I got these
numbers and goals in my headthat I want to achieve and I'm
like I got to just get there.
How hard is it you?

Speaker 3 (07:46):
know kind of digging like a sports betting show,
right.
Like you know, sports bettinglines change so frequently,
right, the games are so frequent.
You know a podcast is once ortwice a week.
How do you keep that engagingwhen it is such a changing
dynamic in a show?
Because it's like if I talkedabout the lines for this week
but you listened to on aWednesday, it may have shifted
three, four times by then.

(08:06):
Like, how do you keep that likein front of mind?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
No, that's a great question and it's it's.
It's a big part of the show.
So, like I call my show thebest sports betting vibe on the
internet.
Right, I always like to tellpeople cause not to like pat
myself on the back, but I'm oneof the few people that do it in
front and behind the camera.
So like I'm in a producer, notexecutive, but I can direct the

(08:31):
role too, so I see like frombehind the camera how things you
got a way different perspectiveand now in front of the camera,
it's helped me.
So like I know that I'm inframe right now as you guys are
talking, I can adjust and yeah,you know, so I'll do things on
the show that normally Iwouldn't do, because now I'm
like damn, you know.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Pocky's out of frame, Like I got to, you know so it's
helped me a lot.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
And I say that because what I do is the show is
very fun and it's entertainingand the best compliment I get is
you have such an enjoyable show.
Like the hour, hour and a halfgoes by and people are like damn
yo, that was so fun.
You know, so we do.
We do it's heavy sports betting, but with like a lot of sports
talk, and how does DeAndreHopkins going to the Chiefs help

(09:16):
them, right?
So things like that.
And to answer your initialquestion about the lines, I do a
good job of having anunderstanding of how things are
going to move.
So, like I'll say something.
For example, and I don't knowwhen this is going out, but the
bengals are six and a half pointdogs on thursday.
I'm like you gotta bet this now, because I think people are
going to start betting thebengals.
I'll probably get to six.

(09:37):
So you get five and a half Ilike it until six at five and a
half.
Maybe I'll go baltimore.
So I give you an idea of whereI would go because, to your
point, I record monday night.
You might listen thursdaymorning because you were busy
now you have two shows to catchup on.
So, yeah, lines are constantlychanging.
But that's what's cool aboutsocial media you have a discord,

(09:58):
you have a community so you'llsay like yo look, I said, I said
the bengals plus six and a half, but Joe Burrow's out.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Pass.
Yeah, get rid of that.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Make sure you're following us where you're
following, because that'simportant too.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
It kind of actually keeps them on the hook a little
bit.
So it actually is a part of it.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
It's a good marketing tool to have.
It's a good strategy.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, totally I remember I got a chance to see
part of your show live that yourecorded at when.
How much are you watching asports man?
Is it like all day like you?
Just you gotta be locked in.
Like how many hours you puttingin, oh dude, I all.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
All I watch is is sports.
Okay, I don't I don't watchspecific like basketball side,
like a specific sports that you,that you're, I basically talk
about the sports that I'm into,okay, which is basketball,
basketball, ufc, okay, soccer,like international soccer, nfl,
obviously baseball.
I've noticed that it doesn't dowell nationally and my show is

(10:53):
more national, so so people insan diego care about the padres,
people in tampa don't yeah,right like yeah, the off chance
that it's padres and the rays inthe world series.
Sure, maybe they'll tune into apadres podcast, maybe okay, but
just nationally it doesn't dowell.
So a lot of the talking pointsI'll have on baseball is like yo

(11:16):
, I think altani was betting,it's a betting story.
There's constantly bettingstories.
Yeah, so we'll, we'll try totie betting into it.
People like to gamble, um,whether it's craps or whatever
it might be, so I only getpeople on my show that I have an
interest in you similar to us,but that's yeah so like you into

(11:36):
.
I do jujitsu and mma, right.
So if you into that, if youinto video games even though,
like, a lot of my content is invideo games, but like I play
fifa all the time, right, okay,uh, if you played sports or you
cover sports, and then, um, if,if you're just into something
I'm interested in, like, likeyou like to gamble, I'm like I
could do a show with you, got itright, and I would always tell

(11:58):
my friends I was like the onename I always will bring up is a
mark zuckerberg.
Five years ago, I never wouldwant to talk to him on the show.
But now he does, because he doesjiu-jitsu, yeah, and he loves
gonna fight elon musk, right, solike that's something where I
could get him on the show and myaudience knows how I am and
what my content they know.
I'm not just fishing becauseit's a big name.

(12:18):
I think that's lame.
There's a lot of shows doing it.
Because you want to genuinelyknow about the person.
Yeah, or like people, I takepride in my show because people
come and listen for me, right,awesome.
So like you build a communityand the.
The numbers might not be as bigas what other people think, but
I'm like yo, everyone thatcomes to listen to the show is
listening for me.

(12:38):
So then when I do get a steven,a smith or a brandon marshall
or eric Nixick from ExtremeCouture, or I get these fighters
on, then it's like, oh damn yo,look who he got Right.
So I always tell peopledescribe your show in a sentence
and you have to show yourpersonality, because people
could get yards per carry andpoints per game from anybody.
That's true.
You got to show like give someflavor, give some spice to it.

(13:02):
I love that you're breakingthat, that break.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
You know that background and everything.
Let's talk a little bit aboutpatreon, right?
So do people get fully.
You know your perspective juston patreon, or how do you kind
of roll out?
You know how people can getthat info oh, I mean, the
podcast is free.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
I tell people like yo , you just just listen to the
podcast wherever you get it.
Yeah, right, I'm sure you guyshave the same thing youtube,
spotify, apple, everywhere, likethe generic stuff.
I'm like yo, the podcast isfree, the patreon, there's
giveaways, there's uh shout outson the show, there's a discord
community, so building acommunity is important.
Also, um, they'll get firstdibs on certain things, so I

(13:39):
don't do it as much during thefootball season, but if I was to
have you on the show, it wouldbe more evergreen, right so it's
not time sensitive.
I could record with you today,could put it out in a month.
It'll still be relevant, got it.
So what I'll do is hey, I'vealready recorded with the vegas
circle guys.
You guys want to check it out?
It's up on patreon right nowfor everyone else.
You, you, mother effers, gottawait two weeks, got it so it's a

(14:02):
way for you to grab, yeah, yeahand and like when my betting
picks.
Uh, you said something in theintro which I always push back
on.
I am by no means a professionalsports.
Better, I never claim that my Imake my money off sports
betting.
I make my money off talkingabout sports and betting.
Um, there's a difference, ahuge difference.

(14:22):
I I also am against peopleselling picks.
I think that's the corniestthing.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
I think I I had me to it.
That was one thing I wanted toask you.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
I mean bro I've had handicappers on the show and I'm
just like yo.
I think it's crazy that youcharge someone a thousand
dollars for your picks.
There's no guarantee return.
So, like my thing is you knowit's five dollars a month.
You get access to Patreon.
You'll see exactly what I'mbetting.
These are my picks.
These are what I bet on.
I'm fully transparent.
Like dude week nine worst NFLweek I've ever had in my life.

(14:50):
In the nine years I didn't hitone bet and you were honest
about it.
I didn't hit one bet.
Even the bets I tried to chase,I didn't come close to hitting.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
People probably love that.
Yo, brother, he didn't get ityet.
You want to hear somethingcrazy?

Speaker 2 (15:02):
I got 12 new Patreon members since.
Monday, because it's organicyeah.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
They're like yo, this guy is, I love that yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
And I tell like so when I do my Patreon read I'm
like yo, it's $5 a day, it's $5a month, 16 cents a day.
I was like I know you bastards,you spend money on worse.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
You spend money on Starbucks and everything else.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
That's one cold brew.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, that's what you ain't lying to me.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
And like look, I do some cool shit.
Like we have a merch store, youget discounts on the merch, you
get episodes early For October.
We're giving away a MauriceClaret helmet sign.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
You get creative with stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, like we'll do.
You know and I have access toall these like dope ass people
that because I'm genuine withthem, they do a lot of favors
for me too.
And I also don't lie to themlike bro, I've never scammed or
lied.
I've been myself throughoutthis whole journey.
That's why there's a smile onmy face as I say this.
So, like I'll even tell, like Itold maurice claret, I'm like
yo look, I'm gonna send you fourhelmets.
I was like is for me, one isfor George, my co-host.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Oh yeah, George, Shout out to George.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
The other one is my buddy, kyle, who we go to his
house for UFC every weekend.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
He's an Ohio State alum.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
I want to give him that, and then the fourth one.
I'm going to give it away onPatreon.
But you told him straight up.
I was like yo, we got thishelmet, we're giving it away,
join the.
You'd be like, hey man, youknow what I mean.
So it's good to be transparent,man, and I don't know if it's a
New York thing, but for me it's.

(16:28):
I feel like shit when I lie topeople.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
I think it's a little bit of a Midwest and East Coast
thing, it's the integrity man,Because it's funny you say that.
Because I remember we've beendoing this almost seven years
and I remember I'm not going tosay the name, but we had asked
some folks to go to dinner thatare really in this space.
But I told them straight upover the phone like, hey, we're
taking you to dinner.
We went to Red Rock.

(16:52):
If you remember where we wentto, it was like hey, we're
taking you to dinner.
It'd be Chrisris, my wife and I, but we're taking you to dinner
to pick your brain.
Yeah, like I want to bestraight up with you.
Like we're picking your braid.
And they were with it broughthis partners.
Hey, no problem, man, we gotyou.
Yeah, so just pick your brain.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, yo shout out to you guys man, seven years,
that's a dope accomplishment too.
Appreciate that yeah, and, likeI just said, right about being
honest, if I don't really likedoing a lot of shows, thank you,
man um, because like you neverknow who might have been at a
Diddy party or something crazy.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Chris was at the Diddy party, man Take his pocket
Chris was at the Diddy party.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
I'm just saying man, everyone knows I'm Team Dollar
Sign, I'm Team Ace.
That's hilarious, yo.
I never want to put myself in asituation where my brand could
be compromised or be not evenaccused, but like I really
protect that shit right you justlike us man.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
We aligned like a month.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
So I I like going on shows but I'm very calculated on
the shows I go to.
There's been some shows that Iregret going on because of what
happened after at the time I'mlike yo, they were cool with me,
I had no issues, but thenthings transpired and you're
like, fuck man, yeah, thatthat's a rough look, you know.
But Chris came on your show and, like I said before, since
Chris gave the co-sign and thenI reached out because I listened

(18:05):
to that show, appreciate that,and I was like, yeah, I would
love to, because you guys, youknow, we're not talking about
sports.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
No, we're talking about life and how you're doing
stuff.
I love that.
I for that man.
We have to run that back.
Run it as an ad for us, man.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Let's talk about podcasting a little bit man.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Where do you think podcasting is going?
Because we've talked a lotabout this, right, Like there's
so many different levels to this.
There's so many different.
You know angles, you can goright, Everybody and their mom's
starting podcasts, but we knowa lot of them quit.
We know all those percentageswe won't get into.
But where do you think it goes,man?
Because you produce a lot ofbig shows.
You've got your own show.
You've been doing it for awhile, almost a decade.

(18:42):
Where do you think it goes?

Speaker 3 (18:43):
You kind of just added that too, Like how do you
think like the Patron aspect ora Patreon aspect or some of
these other avenues are helpingproject into what your goals are
?

Speaker 2 (18:50):
now, yeah, yeah, I mean all amazing questions and
great, great talking points.
I think are you guys intomartial arts at?

Speaker 1 (19:02):
all you familiar with , like jiu jitsu we were just
talking about.
I've always wanted to do andkept procrastinating.
We've had a lot of.
We've had a couple ufc guys onguys and girls.
I want to do it just for thecardio right just for the ground
game we actually try tocoordinate something for him.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Literally, we were just talking oh yeah, maybe
we'll get you guys to come overwe need to, yeah, for sure I say
that because I feel likepodcasting right now just got
its blue belt right, so there'sa white, blue, purple, brown and
black belt and then, even whenyou become a black belt, a lot
of my friends that are blackbelts are like yo I still don't
know nothing you're kind ofputting in right now you're kind

(19:36):
of putting in the time, right.
So I think it's still in itsinfancy.
Like you, you're just learningabout podcasts, and just because
there's a lot of them out there, it don't mean that they're
good, correct?
Yeah, and I I carry myself likeI got the number one show.
I'm overly confident that'sthat new york yeah, I walk into
rooms.
No disrespect to you guys, butwhen I walk into rooms I'm
always like y'all.
I think I'm the coolest person,so I just like got to have a

(19:59):
swagger yeah.
So I think it's in its infancyand I think that there's still
so many things that areinvolving.
Shows are going live.
Shows are going live on Twitchor Rumble or YouTube Shit.
They're going live on TikTokand Instagram.
If you don't have video, Ithink you are doing malpractice.
It is you need um.
If you don't have video, Ithink you are doing malpractice.

(20:20):
It is you need video.
I think it's become moreimportant than audio.
You don't want the audio tosuck, but I think video is
number one, because how manytimes do you send, you send you
send someone a reel, right likeyo check out this pod that rogan
did.
He had a deal of on, on and then, before you know, you're
listening to three hours, right.
So I think you definitely needvideo.
And to answer your question, um, dude, there's, there's
patreons that bring in like sixfigures right, easily, easily,

(20:45):
and you know you build acommunity.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
There's some shows that are exclusively on patreon
there's some shows, a lot ofdifferent ones, yeah, yeah you
have shows like that, um, and Ithink that there's so many ways
that you can monetize.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
And my absolute favorite thing about podcasting,
the networking.
You invite someone on your show, you have their under.
Like I always tell people Idon't like having my phone
around.
I have my phone chargingbecause while I'm here, for as
long as we're going to go, youhave my undivided attention.
I don't want none to vibrate.
I know you're keeping clock.
And as a host I do have a clockalways, because I also, as I'm

(21:20):
recording, I'm taking notes tosend to my social clipmaker.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
You take notes while you're doing it.
Yeah, ooh, that's powerful.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
To know what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
better, whatever, no no, just like Nick's rant on
Jared Goff, 77-minute mark.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
I got to give you props on that.
To take notes while you'redoing it.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I'll be honest with you it's not as impressive.
It's not that difficult I justwait for the other person to
talk.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Oh, and you're making an.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
I give my editor, Dom , who started as an intern in
college.
Is that who I met With the UNLV?
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
That's Isaiah.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
He met him out here, but, yeah, went to unlv.
No, no, no, that's, I'd say hemet him out here, okay, but uh,
yeah, he was also an intern atthe studio.
Now he's working with us, he'sone of our main guys.
But dom was a fan of the showand I'll randomly just be like
yo, I need an editor, I needthis, I need that, and I just
got a dm from him and he's likebro, I love this show, like any
way I could help.
So he started editing my videosand then, before you know it, I
spoke to the dean of hiscollege.

(22:18):
He graduated because he was anintern with the show that's
awesome and now he runs socialmedia and head production for
the new york giants oh wow,that's fantastic and like it
still works for me to this day.
Damn that's it.
And now, now it's dope, becauselike I could pay him too and I
would always tell him like, bro,the vision is is the vision man
.
And like he sent me a prettycool message the other day, he's

(22:39):
like yo, I'm so proud of you,bro.
Everything you're saying ishappening.
I was like bro, you have noidea what's coming.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Man you give me I love these stories.
Man you give me goosebumps onthat stuff.
Man, it's cool.
Man that's powerful.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
It's perspective right.
Like I told you before, I'moverly confident, but it comes
from the work I've put intothings, you know like with
everything, and I've just becomeso full of myself, but in a in
a positive way.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
If that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, I feel like I've earned it and and I've been
validated with the people Iwork with.
And then when people meet me atthe studio, talk about
networking, right, you walk intothat place.
It's everybody named mom comingthrough, yeah so, and then they
see how I move and how Iinteract and I give people
suggestions.
Now it's like I have a batteryin my back.
That is just like otherworldlyso, but all that comes from I'm

(23:27):
very self-aware.
Uh, if I don't know something,I definitely I've.
I've had people on the show.
They've used the big word.
I'm like I don't even know whatthat means.
You need to ask me all day Idropped out of college, bro.
I got a high school educationlike yeah tell me what the hell
you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
What the fuck was that you know?
Yeah, so I think all that playsinto everything that you see
now yeah, I love that you saidabout the networking man,
because that's be chris.
I think that's why he forcedhim to do this is because of
networking he's a fantasticnetworker.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
I'm totally terrible at doing it so the reason I
thought I was getting out of mycomfort zone and get to meet
people and have that experienceand really help to continue to
evolve on that, but it's beennight and day compared to what
it was when we started.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah.
Do you guys feel likepodcasting has helped you in
your regular life?
Everything, yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Everything.
Because it's funny, we werejust talking about this with
friend of mine that I was onthis podcast a couple weeks ago.
I'll put it back on you for asecond.
I'm watching you and it's ironversus iron or iron sharpening
iron.
I get excited because I'm likefuck, I got to.
You know what I mean.
He's doing it.
He's consistently doing it.
I'm not Nick, I'm myself.

(24:31):
Chris is himself, but it makesyou be like damn.
It's a battery that keeps theenergy going.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
You know what I'm saying.
It's just exciting, you see,the enthusiasm that people have
Right now.
When you just said it, I feltthat right.
I felt that you were excited,you were passionate, trying to
do stuff.
You're feeling fulfilled andthen that bleeds off, or we?
Also want to do that right andyou may get one little piece or
a shred that you resonate with,and it lets you continue to
develop but also to add to thatPeople that we've interviewed.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
They might be.
Yes, we've interviewed, I'll behonest.
We've interviewed multiplebillionaires, right, and when
you talk with them and you startto understand, like shit you're
like damn, what am I doing?
Like I'm lazy.
You know what I'm saying.
It keeps you more motivated tobe like okay, I need to do this,
I need to do that.
You know what I'm saying.
So it's just, it's helped mewith everything.
1 1,000%.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, I ask that because I think perspective has
been a big part of everythingthat I do too.
Like the tattoo I have hereright is Spider-Man Spider-Man
is originally from.
Queens, but he's dangling froma street sign.
It's 49th and Park Avenue, sothat's where my dad's had the
coffee truck for 30 years.
Wow.
So I recently was talking atUNLV which is hilarious, because

(25:39):
I dropped out of college, sonow you're asking me to come
speak.
I was like this is stroking myego.
But I built a good relationshipwith one of the professors there
and he asked me to come speakto the journalism class.
And I tell him I'm like yoevery time I tell you this.
Are you sure you want me totell you?

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I have to be myself.
Don to piss a lot of people off.
I already know where you'regoing.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
They're seniors.
I dropped out when I was asenior right With 24 credits to
go, best decision I ever made.
It's a lot easier to say thisbecause it worked out, if it
didn't, it would have sucked.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
You're still at your mom's crib.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Right the tattoo and and the perspective of things
like dude, I was making 500 aweek, waking up at 2 30 in the
morning to go flip eggs with mydad.
Then I would come home ataround one o'clock shower, take
a nap, go and lift, work out,then drive back into queens
because my parents live in longisland.
So I would drive back intoqueens to film the show with my

(26:35):
friends.
I was doing that four times aweek.
Team no sleep.
And then, bro, I was sleepinglike nothing.
For about six years I said Iwould nap.
Yeah, I would never sleep.
I would take two, three hournaps, like at night and then in
the afternoon.
So it's the hustle, it'sperspective.
So when I was talking to thesekids I was like yo, for me, it's

(26:55):
helped me so much in like myregular life because I'm a
better listener and I mean shit,every girl that I spoke to
they're like you're an amazinglistener.
I was like this is what I do,like I'm a professional
conversationalist and you justpick up certain things like body
language and picking up vibesof people.

(27:16):
Right, I'm sure you guys haverecorded with some folks and
you're like damn, that shitsucked, honestly.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Right Crusader days, everybody's great.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
So a lot of it is perspective for me, man, and I
don't know if I answered yourquestion, but just to go off on
that tangent, I think that'sreally important too, and it's
the makeup of everything that Ikind of stand for 100% yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
I love that regardless.
I'm glad you asked thatquestion to me.
I wouldn't expect you to put itback on us.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
But you're right, 100 says change perspective, you
know sometimes I I tell peopleanother reason why I don't like
being on shows is because, likeI feel so, I I love being a host
.
Yeah, so when I'm not in a host, it's kind of you're gonna take
control.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
You're gonna take control.
We like to listen.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
I love asking questions too, like I tell
people I'm like yo dig, dig likethey're giving how you learn
yeah and and dude, another thinglike perspective and experience
.
When I first started this stuff, I didn't know what I was doing
, right, I was just a sports fan, so I would have, like I know
you guys have bullet points-that's different.
But, dude, we would.

(28:17):
We would interview athletes,like early on, and I'd have my
five questions and I would askyou, like, how'd it feel when
you got drafted?
You'd give me an amazing answer, a story like, yeah, it was
dope, I, I spent so much moneyon this watch for my mom, right,
yeah, and then I'd be like,how'd you feel moving out of
your hometown?
It's like I ignored everythingyou said, but I didn't know the

(28:38):
game.
I didn't understand that it'slike.
And then I would listen.
I would listen back to everyepisode.
The first three years I wasdoing it.
I would listen to every episode, every um, every like.
Why was there such a long pause?
Why didn't I dig?
So now I'll be in the studiosometimes and I experience.
I realized I was like yo, thisis shitty, like I'm not enjoying

(29:01):
it.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
How's the audience going to enjoy it?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
So now what I do is I call it controlled chaos.
I have my four or five talkingpoints where I'll have you on
the show and from there it'swherever the conversation goes.
And when I do feel like we'vebeen going on a 20 minute rant,
I'm like yo, I got to bring itback.
Got to bring it back Controlledchaos.
I didn't forget where we wereat.
And again, listening is soimportant because you might,
I've had people talk for four orfive minutes straight and my

(29:29):
advice to people is like lock inon the one thing, because then
to them it's like I didn't justwaste my time talking to him for
five minutes, and it's animportant thing.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Well, because that's what I was going to add, I was
going to talk about kids,because I talk to my kids all
the time.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Communication is everything.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
It's finance and communication.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
So talking to UNLV about journalism, that's awesome
Because no matter whatcommunication they've got to do
that the rest of their life.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
I keep this so I know where Pocky's at.
I actually don't know wherehe's going.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, you gotta know where I'm going so but, um, we
gotta talk about cam and maceman.
So how in the world did you Idon't want to say pull off,
because I know the energy thatyou bring but how did you meet
cam, cameron and mace um, whichI'm big fans of too and just
listening to their music, youknow with the whole nine but
how'd you meet them, man, my?

Speaker 2 (30:15):
favorite story ever, bro, like when I, when I tell
the story, people think I'mbullshitting.
Right place, wrong time.
Right place, wrong time.
Yeah, like I was nowhere.
Like I know people say rightplace, right time.
I was at the studio like sevenhours before I was supposed to
be, so like wrong time in thesense of okay I was, I got there

(30:37):
at one, I was supposed to getthere at seven, right.
So I guess right place, righttime right, I'm just I'm just
trying to.
I was, I got there at one, I wassupposed to get there at seven,
right?

Speaker 1 (30:40):
so I guess, right place, right time right, I'm
just, I'm just trying to get youI gotta follow you.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
But uh, I I show up to the studio on a day, like I
said.
I was supposed to be there ataround seven.
Brian shouts to brian the head,uh, technical director at the
studio.
He's in there.
Brian loved the dude on afucking wizard at his job kind
of brain dead when it comes tosports and entertainment like he
has his own lane and again he'sa wizard.

(31:05):
But you know there's been likecoach k has been at the studio
and he had no idea who coach kwas.
We're like bro, you like this?

Speaker 1 (31:11):
guy is yeah, I'm sorry, you're talking about duke
, yeah I'm thinking coach k frommigo, the original coach.
Yeah, I'm talking about.
I'm talking about mike shish,coach K.
I'm thinking Coach K from Migos.
No, no, no, the original coach.
I'm talking about Mike.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Krzyzewski, okay, I know exactly.
So, yeah, like Brian is inthere right and I show up, like
I said, when I'm not supposed toand it was because I was lazy.
I went food shopping and Ididn't want to cook, so the wind
lets us eat at the employeedining center.
Okay.
So I walk into the control room.
Now there's a gentleman in thestudio with his back to the

(31:44):
control room.
Like you saw, the control roomright, there's like a glass
window, so he has his back to me.
If the control room's in there,I don't know who it is, it's
just a dude on his phone.
I go in there.
Brian's like yo, man, what areyou doing here so early?
Basically what I just told youguys.
And then larry's over there.
Larry turns out to be likecameron's, like right hand man.
He lives in vegas.
So I go yo, what's up, man,nice to meet you.

(32:06):
And as I shake his hand,cameron turns around.
I just go yo, is that fuckingcamera?
Just like that?
And larry was like you know whokiller is.
I was like bro, dip set was myfrom new york.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
He's like yo.
What do you do here I was?

Speaker 2 (32:17):
like I kind of do everythinget was my shit growing
up.
I'm from New York.
He's like yo, what do you dohere?
I was like I kind of doeverything, and that's why I
tell people at the studiothey're like yo, what do you do
here?
I was like I do everything.
Yeah, A little bit ofeverything.
So he's like yo, you got tomeet Cam.
You got to meet Cam, so Camgets off the phone.

(32:40):
What you're doing with yourshow, bro?
Like at the time that just wentviral, he was uh talking about
how, um strippers were the onesthat called out john morant with
the guns so they had the johnmorant pistol that's right.
Yeah, yeah, and he was like yo,he's like oh, you all you
strippers like everybody'salways in there with guns, like
now all of a sudden, y'all got aproblem with it.
Because there's john y'allruining the script.
So that video got like eightmillion views on twitter.
So that was when I firstdiscovered their show.

(33:00):
Because of that, because ofthat video going viral, so then
I started watching some clips.
Right, it's barbershop talkwith hilarious flavor covering
sports hilarious yeah.
So they started asking me aboutthe studio, like yo, what's good
, do you guys?
Right?
I was like, yeah, we rent, thisis what we do, this is what
know, these are the cameras werun all that.

(33:20):
And one thing led to anotherand I was just like yo, if
there's any way I could help youguys.
You know, as far as booking, Iwas like I don't do final
bookings, my boss does.
I could connect them with y'all.
And you guys exchangeinstagrams, like I get followed
by cameron, and I'm like yo,this shit is dope like I sent it
to my one friend back home 100because you know, his favorite

(33:42):
rapper was cameron.
And uh, I was like yo, look, wejust followed me, bro.
Like what the fuck?
Next day they called me andthey're like yo, come meet us
for lunch.
I was, like I just finishedtraining jujitsu, like I gotta
worry about staff infections, Igotta go.
He's like yo, you gotta meet usnow.
And uh, he said somethinginteresting.
He's like yo, don't miss out onan opportunity.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Dang.
He said that Cam said this.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, like 12 times ever since, but I remember that
one vividly.
So I go, I meet him, I'mtelling him about the studio.
One thing leads to another.
They come and they film twoshows at the studio.
They rent it.
They had their whole team, justthe way I was moving and
directing everything and kind ofjust like accommodating the

(34:25):
people in the lobby also, and Ithought nothing of it.
I I've asked two people forphotos and all the time I've
been at the studio it's MikeTyson and then Cameron and Mace,
and I only asked them for thephoto and it's the only photo I
have with them, right, like Iasked them cause I didn't think
it was going to be what itturned out to and uh, so that

(34:46):
was like around summer leagueokay, okay, around summer league
2023.
And then a couple weeks later,they signed the underdog deal
and I just reached out to him.
I'm like yo, congrats, bro.
That's super inspiring.
I just started this show.
I was like next time you invegas.
I was like beers are on youthough, like I said, I said some
dumb shit like that and he justhot, hot it.

(35:08):
And then, uh, he hit me up liketwo weeks later.
I was like yeah, I'm thinkingof moving my whole operation out
to vegas and recording out thestudio.
And again I was like yo, let meknow, man, how I could help.
I was like that'd be, that'd besick.
And then he called me like aweek before the movie.
He's like yo, I want you to bemy editor and producer dang, I
was like I was like sure, he'slike how much you want?
I was like, what do you need?
He told me I gave him a number.

(35:29):
He's like, all right, bet.
And then that was it.
They moved that whole shit outthere and ever since, like uh,
I'm a big part of what they'rebuilding over there at.
It is what it is powerful man.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah, yeah, man.
You know you're handling itgracefully now, but I could tell
you were feeling a certain typeof way in that moment.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Oh yeah bro, like dude, they've done so much for
me.
Obviously, financially, it'sbeen fucking crazy right?
Like I told you, I lost $50,000investing in the food truck
during the pandemic that my dadand I, and that was $25,000 that
I saved up, mind you.
Now I'm making making 500 aweek so for me to save man 25k.

(36:08):
That shit was like my wholeyear's salary, yeah for real in
some situations.
And then, uh, my grandma tookout money from her will and she
gave that to me for the foodtruck, so that was 25k that I
was gonna have you knoweventually.
And then I lost the 50k.
And then fast forward to thispast summer.
They threw me a bonus got itback.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Got it all back, man yeah, you gotta bet on yourself.
That's why you're the best.
You gotta bet on yourself, it'sthe best it's the best bet you
can make.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
One of the things that I like about everything
that I do now is I have acontrol on the outcome.
I I don't worry aboutalgorithms.
I was like I know, like I toldyou before, I know my shit is
dope.
If, if only two percent of theaudience sees it because of the
algorithms and who knows whatwas said, or that shit is always
, ever changing, I can't donothing about it.

(37:01):
But I know when people come onthe show for the first time,
they end up becoming fans of theshow, which is like one of my
favorite endorsements you getand then anytime new people see
it, they like latch on yes, andyou can see when you look at the
analytics, like you have.
You have a steven a smith onyour show.
These are what your numberswere before.

(37:23):
There's a spike because youhave Stephen A on your show.
Well, how many of those peoplestay?
5%, 5%.
When 100,000 people listen,that's 5,000 new listeners.
It's a massive massive swing.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
That's a strong point that you make.
I didn't think about it likethat.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
You're only going to see a backslide right Because
they bring their audience and ifyou get to keep some of their
audience, that's hugelyimpactful.
Yeah, dude.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Even 1%, like what?
Like 1,000 new listeners toevery show.
That's the thing.
People don't understand how oneof the big positive feedbacks I
get, it's kind of a backhandedcompliment Whenever people

(38:06):
listen to not listen but theysee my analytics when I reach
out to sponsors or advertisers,whatever it might be.
When they look at what my audiodoes and then what my social
media following is, they'reblown away.
My dude, I had huge difference,massive, okay.
The majority of my audience, ifnot like I'd say like 70
percent, consume the audio.
Mind you, for four years I wasdoing audio before I started
video.
So there's a drastic differencebetween and now I put more of

(38:27):
an emphasis on youtube becauseI've seen what youtubers can
make, and before it was justlike I will just throw the whole
video on there, but now it'slike putting some money behind
it.
You got to be strategic.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yeah, thumbnails and you're just the opposite of the
fact that you already had apretty strong audio base, then
yeah create the video.
That's gonna be even moreimpact and and now, and and.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
To that point you're absolutely right, because now
you see a lot of people startshows and like their video is
popping, but no one listens tothe audio.
Yeah, and the audio is, and youcan market it two different
ways, like you can have audioonly sponsors, and then you
could have video productplacement, brand endorsements,
so there's two.
That's why there's so many waysyou can make money.
100, 100%, yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
I can continue to keep talking about this.
One last thing I want to askyou about Camemades what's the
biggest lesson that you'velearned from them that you've
been able to implement with whatyou're doing now?

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Just, you personally.
Yeah, I love that.
Uh, they, they put, they putthe biggest battery in
everything that I'm doing nowCause uh, that I'm doing now
because uh dude for so long,like I don't know if you guys
feel it in your field, but uh, Ifeel like I always knew what I
was talking about, not in sports, but like in the in the pot,

(39:34):
like podcast yeah, yeah, youknow talking to the mic like
this, because if I start talkinglike that, now you're not right
, so like little things likethat, like yo posture you know,
like let's conviction whenyou're talking into the mic.
I don't remember exactly what itwas, but I remember it was a
thursday night and I gave him asuggestion on how to you know
when you have a caller.

(39:54):
I told stat I was like yodirect the questions when you
have multiple people on the showthat are not familiar with one.
Another got it.
So imagine there was two otherpeople on the call them out.
Yeah, be like yo.
Nick.
What do you think of podcastingmike?
What did you?
How do you feel aboutpodcasting shane?
How do you feel about what nicksaid?
Because now there's a socialcue you back he's talking to

(40:17):
nick shane, mike, shut up.
Chris, don't say nothing becausenick's being addressed.
You're talking to chris, I know.
All right, chris is talking.
Got it, because I hate whenpeople are talking over one
another and you're gonna havethose moments like people are
laughing, whatever it might be.
So it was something along thelines of that.
I gave them a suggestion andthen the next week they started
doing it immediately, right, andI go to change the camera.

(40:38):
I'm doing something in thestudio.
I'm just like giddy, like how Iam now.
Yeah, cam just looks up and hegoes yo, what's good, bro, you
got some pussy yesterday, likewhy are you so excited?
and I was just like.
I was just like and mace, maceis like, yeah, nick, like you're
so happy today.
I was like yo, this is gonnasound weird, but I was like yo,
it's you guys, man.
And they're like what you mean?
I was like yo, you guys took myadvice and like you guys are,

(41:00):
you know, you guys are who youare.
And then, uh, mace told mesomething interesting.
He's like yo, how long you beendoing this?
I'm like about nine years.
He's like I hope if you everwanted to make a rap album you'd
come to me, and can't?
It's a good point.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
He's like yo.
You're an expert in that muchrespect.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, he's like when it comes to your field, he's
like if you have a suggestionand we're like, oh yeah, that's
a good one, we're're going to doit, and I was like yo, and then
I got these fucking loserpodcasters coming into the
studio.
I was like how are you going totell me anything, bro?
You know what I'm saying?
Like I got these guys in thepalm of my hand and I don't mean
that in an ego way.

(41:38):
No, that's not what you'resaying.
I like if I give them asuggestion and they like it,
they'll do it right.
And and it's like there's beentimes where we'll have a segment
on the show and I'll be like Idon't know if that was a good
one.
Man, maybe we should cut that,maybe because, like, the energy
was low, it was just likeawkward.
Whatever it might be, I'll belike all right, yo bro, you got
creative control.
If you think something's whack,if you think something's no

(42:00):
good, stop the the show, let'sdo another.
Take whatever it might be, andit's cool to build that
relationship.
And then it goes back to what Iwas saying earlier.
In the show man, there's alevel of confidence that you
develop, where it's not an egoway, it's more of like
validating You're like damn bro.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Confidence is different than I think.
Cocky, yeah, you know what elseit is.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
It's a respect, sure it's a respect.
That's what it is.
It's a respect.
So that's awesome, man, it'syour earning respect man.
So who's in your circle thatspeaks life into you?
That's been able to keep you onthe right path.
Who do you bump stuff off, man?
And what have you learned fromthat to kind of keep you on the
right angle?

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah, man, that's a.
That's a great question and youknow, lately I've been having a
lot of uh perspective on thingsand I just went back home
recently.
I was there last week and Idon't I don't really be going
home as much, maybe like twice ayear.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Okay, and uh so you got a lot of family back there
still.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Everyone.
I came out here by myself.
I only knew like a couple ofpeople you know, but, um, I I
kind of can adapt to anyenvironment, but I've been
having a lot of perspective.
So I love that you asked thisquestion because I feel like, as
I've gotten older, friends thatI make in my 30s are better

(43:16):
than the friends that I grew upwith, and not all of them right,
because I still got like, yeah,dude, I got.
I got six guys back home.
That perspective is everythingright.
So I went to Columbia in thesummer and I was on this island,
I was drinking a pina colada.
So I sent them a picture and Iwas like man, I'm so happy I got
vacation.
Mind you, all my friends arelike plumbers, electricians,
blue collar shit, right Nine tofivers.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
My friend Danny, my best friend Danny, goes, goes,
damn bro, you deserve thatvacation because, being in a six
million dollar, studio withcameron and mace every night, so
fucking exhausting and I waslike yo, I love that, I love
that perspective right becausethey busting their ass yeah yeah
, man.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
So that's why I was saying before it's like the
things I do now I work hard andI respect my craft.
It's a different kind of.
It's a different like when I,when I tell people, yo, I don't
work that hard, I mean physical.
Yeah, like I'm accustomed toblue collar shit like drilling
holes into the center of theplanet that's taxing bro when
I'm sitting like this and I'mjust yapping for an hour or two

(44:16):
hours and then it's not workit's not work so again,
perspective is a big part of mylife and and with the people I
keep in my circle.
Bro, if you don't make fun of me, if you don't troll me, if you
don't check me, I don't trustyou.
The people that like kissingyour ass, yeah, bro no, no.

(44:36):
So I've had my.
I got like five, six guys backhome that that, uh, I was
posting about them back homewhen I was there and we kind of
got a little like a crew name.
We call it the Last Ones Left.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Where it's like real friendships you know 20, 25
years and even some of the newerguys.
It's just like yo man, don'twear that shirt.
You look like a clown when youwear it.
Or like what are you doing withyour hair, bro?
Like fucking shave your beard.
You look better without.
Like that's the kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Right, that's a brotherhood man.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yeah, for real man.
And I've been super lucky tofind that out here too, in Vegas
.
Like the guys that I've met injujitsu, at my gym, I've gotten
really close with them.
I basically just hang out withthem, you know, because, like
the guys that I work with in thestudio awesome dudes.
But like we're in differentstages of our life Like one is
married with one kid, the otheris married with three kids, the

(45:28):
other one's been in arelationship for seven years.
I'm single, no kids.
I haven't had a girlfriendsince high school.
Yeah, like it's been.
Vegas gets you in trouble too.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Vegas definitely gets you in trouble, so like I get
you in Columbia.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yeah, like I get to the columbia, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I, I keep, I keep my circle.
I have a lot of friends, butyour circle's?

Speaker 2 (45:47):
tight, the circle's small, yeah, and like, even when
you see me with differentcrowds and whatnot, it's like
there's it's for networking,it's for business, it's for,
like, like, the people thatreally really know me, it's it's
very few, yeah, it's very few.
And I got, like, like I said,my mentors.
I take pride and I never had topay for them to be my mentors.

(46:08):
I love that yeah, because, likeI see, a lot of people are like
friends with these entrepreneursand these billionaires.
It's like, yeah, but you'repaying for their master course
this is a genuine relationship.
Yeah, yeah relationship isdifferent, for sure, for sure.
So, um, yeah, I got a, I got apretty small circle man and as
far as, like, I would even saygeorge, george and uh, that I do

(46:29):
my show with, like, he's becomea really good friend of mine,
too and, and you know, even onthe show he'll be like I think
we should cut that.
And I haven't had anyone tell mewhat to do with this show and
I'm very open to like, bro, thisis your show too.
Like, yeah, when we have aguest on and you're excited to
talk to them, like Go down thatlane, bro.
There's been one time, likerecently, george was talking to

(46:52):
this guy for like eight minutes.
I didn't say a word for eightminutes on my show, but George
was into it and they wereengaging and the guest was like
why do I got to chime in, likelet him do his thing.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
He's shining right now.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
It's cool yeah bro, it's cool like everyone can eat,
like it's fine.
So I um, I keep the circlepretty small man that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yeah, that's a good.
That's a good response.
Yeah, with business advice, man, I know um, like you, you
stepped away from your family'scompany.
Yes, followed your dream withthe podcast in space.
What would you say to peoplelistening right now on business
advice whether maybe they wantto start their own podcast right
now?

Speaker 2 (47:24):
What would you say to them Shit man.
Like I said before, I'm fullytransparent.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
I don't like giving business advice because I don't,
I don't, I go to people.
That's honest.
Yeah, that's honesty.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
My buddy, chris.
I call him my agent.
I go to him like yo read thiscontract.
I want to make sure that I own100% of everything that I have
and you kind of have an idea.
He's read like a bunch of mycontracts now and he's super
With the intellectual property.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, he knows all that.
He a shark too.
You ain't pulling no fast oneon him.
That's what you want.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Right, so I have no problem with being like yo, I
don't understand what this means.
You got to put me on right, onright, yeah, um.
So when it comes to businessadvice, I'll tell you what
worked out for me.
Okay, I put everything I madeinto my show every single
invested in yourself everysingle dollar.
Love it.
I'm like yo.
You guys invest in stocks andbitcoin.
All this, you know.
You don't put no money intoyourself.

(48:15):
Whether it's the gym, whetherit's your craft, whether it's
your hobby, whatever it might belike yo, put some money into
that.
That's your best.
Whatever it might be Like yo,put some money into that.
That's your best investment.
Like I said before, I have ahand in the outcome and I love
that.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Because you want to hold the ball.
You want to hold the ball foryour life.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yeah, and I'm in a space right now, with the people
that I'm working with and allthe cool shit that I'm doing,
that I'm still investing intothe show, like that hasn't
changed.
Every dollar I make from theshow I haven't bought no clothes
, no, no, no beers, like it'sliterally like I'm paying a
social media maker.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
I'm paying this, I'm paying that studio time.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Uh, I don't pay for guests ever.
That's cardinal sin.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
I think that's the dumbest thing we have not at all
, not one guy.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah, pay for it no, no, I just see it like, if Joe
Rogan don't ask people to go onhis show and pay, like, why
should I?
You?

Speaker 1 (49:11):
want to build a genuine relationship glad you
said that, because a lot ofpeople ain't honest with saying
that yeah, no, no.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
So for me I just put, I just put every dollar back
into the show and and I still.
The show drains money from meeven to this day because I'm
still investing into it like Imake.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
I make enough that the show could operate now as
far as like not being in the redyeah yeah, it's not in the red
anymore, but we're talking aboutyou're talking about like nine
months ago.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
This happened, yeah, but before that it was like
social media maker, because Ialso love living so well, you're
living in vegas too.
Man come on for sure but, dude,like my schedule man, in the
mornings I lift or I do jujitsu,I come home, I play a little
xbox, like I said, I play fifa,and then, you know, from two to
midnight now it's work mode.
So I got a nice work-lifebalance.

(50:00):
I don't even like saying thatbecause, like this shit doesn
doesn't work.
So it's fine.
But for me, when it comes tobusiness advice, the only thing
that worked for me was I puteverything into this.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Even money.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
I was making off the coffee truck.
It's like yo, I need this newmicrophone, I need this, I need
that.
Let me take this trip to go toVegas at the studio on my own
dime.
I connect with Jeremiah.
Jeremiah tells me yo, you gotto move to Vegas.
I'm like yo, just let me knowBam.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
I love that man.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
I'm telling my kids that all the time man Just
invest in yourself, man Do awhole bunch of different stuff.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
man, it's your best return?

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yeah, 100%.
We always talk aboutrestaurants, man.
Vegas is becoming especiallybut I got to say it from Chicago
.
Chicago got better food thanNew York, so I got to say that.
But I know I ain't going togive you enough chance to answer
, but Vegas is becoming themecca of food right now.
Man, what's your favoriterestaurant in Vegas?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
I love Barry's Shout out to Barry's.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Yeah, we had them on Shout out to Yassim Marco Chef
Barry.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
We had them on our pod Dude.
Yassim is such a good dude thatit almost feels like Y'all
could be brothers too by the wayman Y'all look like cousins.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Man Shout out to Yassim man.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
I met him through Chris.
Yassim's great I met himthrough Chris and you know he's
a big soccer fan and we'llalways talk about soccer, soccer
, and you know um his dad's animmigrant like my dad.
So there was a lot of like, alot of synergy, right, yeah,
yeah.
And like, dude, there'll betimes where I'll take a date
there.
I'll go with my parents, I'lllook at the bill.
I'm like, bro, you, you blessedme too, much yeah, and and yeah,

(51:35):
anytime I could shout.
I I send so many people there.
Yeah, um, so I love berries.
Um, where else there's a elsegundo?
It's right off the right,across from the wind, it's like
a little taco, so I love berries.
Where else there's El Segundo?

Speaker 3 (51:49):
It's right across from the wind.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
It's like a little taco.
It's in the corner area.
Yeah, it's in like Fashion Mall.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
I got it Like over there.
Yeah, gave it to somebody else.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
That place is good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
There's a taco spot.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah, like Mexican food and you know what Best part
it Best part it's not going tokill your wallet.
I love that you and the plusone go like $80 is nice, and
you'll get like food too, like Idon't mind paying, but if you
give me a portion like that, I'mgoing to swing on you.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
I can't be doing that .
I get it.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
I like that place.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
I like Barry's Finally a place where somebody
recommends it I've been to both.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
I've never been to that spot, so I gotta check that
out.
I like the little hole in thewall spots too.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
And then, of course, gotta shout out to Standard.
Oh, of course, chris, shout outto.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Chris.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Okay, yeah, gotta show him love, especially if you
ever buy.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
But he knows man, he knows what he's doing.
Man, he's been in the wholehospitality space for a long
time, so he knows what to put onthe menu.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
so shout out to the standard album centennial hills.
So good, people over there,anything we forgot.
We forgot to ask you, man, thatyou want to leave us out on.
No, man, I kind of want to askyou guys something, of course,
man, whatever.
So so I uh, I got this, like Iwas telling you before about
perspective.
Right, sure, I'm, I'll be 34 inmarch.
Okay, I view people that areolder than me, okay, as a cheat
code, okay, kind of a timemachine, because you've lived
longer than I have, you haveexperiences that I haven't had

(53:09):
yet.
What would you tell me to do ifyou, you were my age now, like
different?
What advice would you give me?

Speaker 1 (53:21):
so I'm 45 now, man.
I'm on my wife 20 years.
We got two kids.
Now I would say, man, the mostimportant is picking the right
woman.
Like 1000, he's gonna take minetoo.
Uh, you already know, I mean wewe've been friends for what?
12, 13 years now and it's youfound the right woman right.
That's the most stress thatyou're gonna deal with with.

(53:43):
You know how it is, man, if youget the wrong person, that's
not in your corner, toxic andjust drains you, because I've
been in those relationships toobefore.
But having the right woman tohave the right support and be
able to give you the rightenergy, that's what I would say
is take your time is what Iwould get at is take your time,
spend the and really learn whothat person is before you put

(54:04):
the ring on their finger, ifthat's what you want to do.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Yeah, I think for me.
You know what you learn is andyou already do this be true to
yourself you know, be confidentin what you're doing, but also
do it the right way.
I think that's the mostimportant thing that I've
learned is, when you're doingsomething, don't half-ass.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Do with integrity, and it'll come back around to
you, yeah no, I like that youmentioned integrity man, because
I also feel like when peoplevouch for me, I feel like I
can't let them down too, youknow like I feel.
Like you know, recently I had afriend of mine connect me with
this girl.
We went out on a couple datesbut, like you know, we stopped
talking.
But it was, it was good.
Like we didn't, it wasn't nofuckery, I didn't do anything

(54:40):
stupid, like I never was likethat because my mom would always
tell me like yo, imagine, if,imagine, if, like and I know it
sounds weird, but like, imagineif you were going out on a date
with me, would you do like thisfuck boy, shit to me.
No, so like that's how youshould treat women Right and my
parents been together 38 years.
That's what's up, man so so likefor me, that that's definitely

(55:02):
what I want, and so like for me,that's definitely what I want.
And when people vouch for you,I feel like you represent them
too, man.
So like with that girl, I toldher I was like look, so-and-so
connected us, I'm not going todo nothing.
Dumb, Didn't do nothing dumb,Just didn't work out.
I was like listen, like a man,didn't play no games, and I was

(55:23):
like yo, because yo, becauseshe's like yo not a lot of dudes
your age do that also she'slike, I appreciate it.
I was like yo, look, I feellike I represent them.
They're vouching for me.
I don't want to ruin theirreputation too.
So that's always been theintegrity thing that you're
bringing up.
Like that's.
That's kind of the thing that Ilike doing too I'm sorry to me
and you're just honest.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Right doesn't mean you tell me what they want to
hear or that's going to be thebest situation.
But if you're honest, you'rebeing true to yourself, then
it's hard to be mad at you forthat.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah, and if you don't like me for that, bro,
that's your fault.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
I can't, yeah, but this city is so small.
Yes, very true, people aregoing to.
Like you said, we know a lot ofthe same people, you don't.
You know what I mean Behind thescenes.
So, but yeah, good stuff, man.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
That was a great one I could talk to you for hours,
man.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah, for real.
We could tell you got a podcast.
Yeah, I literally could talk toyou for hours.
I like this conversation, man.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
We went on a lot of different rabbit holes, man.
I liked it.
Man, what's your social handles?
Man, People can follow you anddo all that good stuff.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
I know it underscores veterans minimum and my social
media is at NickDayis10.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Okay, man, check this guy out, man, Keep following
him.
Like you said, Chris Moran saidhe's a star man.
He's taking over my dog andwe're just putting a little
flame on what you're doing, man,and we appreciate you sitting
down with us.
Check us out at TheVacacertcomand subscribe with us, man.
So appreciate you you.