March 14, 2025 • 34 mins
In this conversation, Tammy Peterson and Queenie Yu share their personal journeys of faith, and the transformative power of prayer and the Holy Rosary. They discuss the profound impact of suffering and the Cross on one's spiritual life and transformation. The conversation also delves into the significance of Mary as a model for womanhood and the "feminine genius."
They discuss the role of Mother Mary in their lives, the power of prayer and gratitude, and how personal struggles can lead to deeper faith. The dialogue emphasizes the significance of listening to God ,and taking "the next right step in life," echoing a saying from Tammy's husband, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson who was inspired by the philosopher Carl Jung, as well as the bonds formed through shared faith and prayer.
This interview was recorded on Oct. 9, 2024.
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Queenie Yu (00:00):
The amazing thing is you mentioned that you found a
lot of comfort in the Rosary andsome people, when they're in
pain, they're just thinking orthey're just praying to God that
God would take away the sourceof their suffering.
But the source of the sufferingwas still there.
You still had your cancer, butyou received comfort from the
prayer.
Tammy Peterson (00:19):
Well, I had a big, you know, I had a huge
change of heart when I told myson I was going to die and I
looked at his response and sawthe grief in his eyes that he
was going to lose his mother andI saw the love that I had for
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him reflected back to me in away that I had never had that
done before and it was redeeming.
You know, it was redeeming.
Sheila Nonato (00:51):
Hello and welcome to the Veil and Armour podcast.
This is your host, SheilaNonato.
I'm a stay-at-home mom and afreelance Catholic journalist.
Seeking the guidance of theHoly Spirit and the inspiration
of Our Lady.
I strive to tell stories thatinspire, illuminate and enrich
the lives of Catholic women, tohelp them in living out our
vocation of raising the nextgeneration of leaders and saints
(01:14):
.
Co-Host (01:14):
Please join us every week on the Veil and Armour
podcast, where stories comealive through a journalist's
lens and mother's heart.
Sheila Nonato (01:23):
This month the world celebrates women, their
contributions, achievements andsacrifices.
30 years earlier, the late StJohn Paul II declared 1995 the
year of the woman.
He also published his letter towomen where he wrote about the
feminine genius.
It is a countercultural view ofwomen, contradicting radical
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feminist ideal.
In his letter, Saint John PaulII highlighted women's God-given
vocation, women's human dignity, equality and complementarity
with men.
A woman is called to be amother, sometimes in the body,
but always in the soul.
Emily Stimson Chapman wrotesuccinctly and beautifully in
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The National Catholic Registerabout the feminine genius of
women.
Who is the ideal woman, theideal mother?
It is Our Lady who, sadly, ismuch maligned in our society
because she embodies theopposite of worldly values and
radical feminist ideals.
Instead she embodies theopposite of worldly values and
radical feminist ideals.
Instead she embodies humilityand.
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God's truth that love issacrifice.
We know, as Our Lady and OurLord have taught us, that the
Christian life does not existwithout love, service and
sacrifice.
To serve means to reign.
St John Paul II wrote in hisletter to Catholics called
Mulieris Dignitatem, on thedignity and vocation of women.
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When Mary said yes to the angelGabriel to answer God's call to
become the mother of God, itwas not a response of weakness
but of strength.
Mother Mary's seemingly meekand humble yes turned into her
pivotal role in salvationhistory.
We cannot have Jesus withoutMary.
After the fall of our firstparents, adam and Eve, the gates
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of heaven were closed to all ofus In his mercy.
God said.
Heaven can be opened once againafter the coming of the Saviour
Jesus Christ.
Jesus' life is so closelyintertwined with his mother, a
life that we can contemplate andemulate through the mysteries
of the Holy Rosary.
It was Our Lady's example ofstrength and this long-standing
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Catholic meditation of the HolyRosary that serve as the bonds
of friendship between Canadianpodcaster Tammy Peterson and
fellow Catholic convert QueenieYu.
Queenie journeyed with Tammywhen she battled the cross of
cancer and illness.
How did Tammy take up her cross?
How did Queenie have theboldness to share her faith with
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someone who was not yet afriend.
We will listen to part two oftheir story of faith, friendship
and conversion.
Listen P art Two of their storyof faith, friendship and
conversion.
Let's begin with a prayer.
Let's pray the Hail Mary, inthe name of the Father and of
the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
Amen, hail Mary, full of grace,the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women,and blessed is the fruit of thy
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womb, jesus.
Holy Mary, mother of God, prayfor us sinners, now and at the
hour of our death.
Amen.
In the name of the Father andof the Son and of the Holy
Spirit.
Amen.
Thank you.
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And finally, I just want to goback to.
You had mentioned the DynamicWomen of Faith Conference over
500 women.
You could hear a pin drop whenyou were speaking.
Dorothy Pilarski, the organizer, had recognized your friendship
.
Both of you on stage gave youflowers.
It was just a beautiful momentto witness, and you had also
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spoken during your speech aboutthe cross, the crosses that you
have carried, your illness, yourdaughter's illness, and I
believe you had also spokenduring your speech about the
cross, the crosses that you havecarried, your illness, your
daughter's illness, and Ibelieve you had also shared the
story of your husband findinghim in distress in your house.
And how did all of thesecrosses?
And, Queenie, you were therewith Mrs Peterson when she was
enduring the cross of herillness.
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How did all of these crosses?
How were you able to carry allof these crosses?
What can we learn from you?
Tammy Peterson (05:33):
Well, I think when my daughter was ill and she
was ill from the time she wasquite young, so I was quite
young, I was only 30 when shewas born and she started having
trouble, pain when she was justin kindergarten so a little
little girl.
And so that would have been.
She was born in 1992, so thatwould have been oh yeah, and it
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was when we moved from Harvard,from Boston, to Toronto.
That was in 1998.
That's when she started to showsymptoms that I understood
something was terribly wrong andI began to pray.
I began to pray, but I prayedto my mother.
I prayed to my mother.
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My mother was ill, she haddementia, so she was dying and
she died in 2007.
So from then on, I would havebeen praying to my mother, and I
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realize now, in later years,that I was praying to what was
best in my mother, and what'sbest in my mother is Mother Mary
.
So I was praying to Mother Maryto help.
I was always asking my mom tohelp, help, help my daughter,
help my daughter to find her wayto health and protect her, and
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it was a daily practice ofpraying to my mother.
And then you know, so that Ithink, when I began to realize
that it was Mother Mary that Iwas praying to, and I didn't
realize that until I was sickand Queenie brought me the
rosary and I began to pray therosary and it was powerful to me
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, and so then I began to praydirectly to Mother Mary for her
intercession and my troubles,and it was very powerful because
it did help.
It did help I didn't have asmuch pain.
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So by the time I was well and myhusband was sick, by then I had
been praying for a very longtime and had become much more
sophisticated in myunderstanding of exactly even
without entering into the churchyet, even without entering into
the church yet exactly what Iwas praying for, with the help
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of Queenie.
And I had some priests actuallywho had reached out to me too,
and so I talked to them.
Father Fred Dolan and he stillreaches out to me all the time,
and at that point it was him andalso the priest who works,
(08:32):
Father Eric, Father Eric,Nicolai yes, his last name is
Nicolai.
Co-Host (08:37):
Yes.
Tammy Peterson (08:37):
Yeah, and he came to me just before I went
down to the doctor in the Stateswho was going to look for this
leak that was in my lymph system, and he blessed me before I
left.
Queenie asked if I wanted to beblessed and I said, "yes, I
think that would be very helpful.
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And he came to my apartmentwhere my husband and I were just
before we left, and he blessedme and he told me to pray for
gratitude and that would.
That was very, uh, powerful forme, because I listened and I
thought, pray for gratitude,okay.
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And so that began my journey ofdeeply, more deeply,
understanding what it meant topray for gratitude.
And I find now that if I'm tooconsumed by what's happened to
me and what is concerning me, ifI start to think about what I'm
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grateful for, that takes me outof my head, so that I'm not
focusing on myself and I'mfocusing on others.
And when Queenie taught me therosary, she'd say what is your
intention?
So then I'd think what's myintention?
And at first it was, I know,pray for my mother who's passed
away.
So pray for all those who'vepassed away.
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And then, I had a little.
That was my first granddaughterand she was very tiny, and so
pray for all the new babies.
Okay, so pray for all the newbabies.
And then, you know, I wouldwant to pray for my children who
are young parents.
Okay, well, pray for all theyoung parents.
Young parents, okay, well, prayfor all the young parents.
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And then pray for all the sickand dying, and pray for all the
people in the hospital.
I remember we prayed for allthe peoples in the hospital.
I was in the hospital.
So all those intentions, oh,when you get out of that, you're
not thinking about yourselfanymore and worrying about how
downtrodden your life is oranything.
I don't know, it just it's.
It just seems like verypractical.
It seems like a very practicalthing to do to pay attention to
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others, to give your best toothers.
Somehow that miraculously stopsyou from any of your
preoccupations that you may havecome in with of your own needs
(11:13):
or your own inadequacies,because you're feeling like
there's something missing.
So you look to yourself what doI need?
Maybe I need to shop on Amazon,right, maybe I need to go buy
something.
But when it turns out, actually, if you start doing things for
others, those preoccupations,they just go away, because that
isn't what we need.
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We don't need another thing inour lives.
We need each other.
We need to help lift up eachother.
That's what we're here for.
Lift up each other, that's whatwe're here for.
Queenie Yu (11:45):
When you talked about the cross, I was just
thinking about what C.
S.
Lewis said.
He said that God whispers to uswhen we experience pleasure, He
speaks to us in our conscienceand He shouts when we experience
pain.
Yeah, that's right, and He wasspeaking to you in your illness.
Tammy Peterson (12:08):
Yes.
Queenie Yu (12:09):
And drawing you closer to him.
And I just remember, rightbefore your confirmation, before
the Easter Vigil, you had a lotof pain in your leg, so much so
that you had to walk with yourback, and you had to walk with a
cane, and with difficulty aswell, and I genuinely saw it as
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the devil's way of puttingobstacles in your path to get
confirmed.
But now you're fine, right.
Tammy Peterson (12:36):
But now I'm fine .
Yeah, that's right, I'm fine.
I still use lumbar supportbecause I think I'm too short
for the plane seats and I thinkthat's why I hurt my back maybe.
So I think everybody who's likeunder five foot eight probably
should use lumbar support on anairplane if they're taking air
or if they're in a car they needlump.
(12:57):
You need lumbar support because95% of people have low back
pain, and so it's a.
It's a big problem becausesitting percent of people have
low back pain, and so it's a.
It's a big problem becausesitting sitting is trouble, and
so I would even suggest for youguys to use lumber support in
your chairs because, uh, youwant to keep and I'm I'm pretty
strong, right?
(13:18):
I?
I had done yoga before.
Now I do pilates and I do.
I have a teacher who teaches meall the time but I still hurt my
back.
So it isn't—you can be aswell-prepared as you want, but
then— anyway, my back got takenout and I couldn't go on tour
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with my husband.
So my husband said you knowyour daughter's having some
troubles.
She could probably use yourhelp.
So I was no good.
I wasn't going to stay at homealone, so I came down here and I
didn't even think I was thatmuch help, but she was so
grateful to have me here, hermother, who was walking with the
(14:04):
cane and barely walking evenbecause I could barely even walk
, but every day I walked just alittle bit and over the month of
going to a chiropractor andgetting treatments to stretch me
out.
See, that's the other thing wehave to do is we have to hang.
We have to hang from somethingso that our vertebrae get a
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little bit of space, and sothat's one of the things that
we're supposed to do daily tomake sure that our spines stay,
uh, without any pinched nervesin them, because things, just
your, your vertebrae, the, thecushioning between them, it's
vulnerable, and so if, if we goout to our kids, play things and
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hang for a little while andrelax, your feet have to be on
the ground so that you canactually relax and let your
spine lengthen.
I did that like every day,every day, every day, and I
don't do it, and I don't even doit that much anymore and I
should, so that'll remind me todo it.
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But through that month when Ifinally, when my month, when my
back was better, michaela'ssituation had resolved and I
left and I thought that'sstrange.
That's strange that I hurt myback, came to be with her and
through this month ofrehabilitation, everything has
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turned out all right and so Godbrings good out of everything
yeah, yeah, but it's not alwayseasy.
Right, like you said, I was in alot of pain.
I didn't know whether at EasterI was going to be able to come
to the church and do what I hadto do, because I could barely
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stand up.
I was kind of bent over.
It was not good, but it wasfine.
It was fine and it was a lovelyday.
And from then I got better.
And it was a lovely day andfrom then I got better.
So I, just one day at a time,one moment at a time, sometimes
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one moment at a time and do thenext right thing.
What's the next right thing?
Well, to get your cane and goout and walk for a little while.
Maybe you can only go a fewsteps, but to do it.
And you know, at the end ofthat month, when I got back that
I didn't have to use the caneand I could start doing Pilates
again, I was so much weaker.
I was so much weaker and Ithought, gee, you know, if I had
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just decided I was going tojust sit in a scooter and not do
anything because my back washurt, I would have lost all my
muscle power.
And then how would I haverehabilitated a month later when
my back didn't hurt, becausethen I would be so
catastrophically weak that itwould take forever for me to
rehabilitate.
So you know, if you can get upand do the next right thing, get
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up and do the next right thing.
Get up and do the next rightthing, like, don't, don't lay in
bed in self-pity.
Get up, do what you can, restas much as you need, but get up
and do, do what you can and getyourself through that.
You know, when I got better andJordan was sick, that time we
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went back on tour.
When he was getting, you know,I thought you're not better, but
you're probably better enough.
We could probably go on thebook tour, and he wasn't sure
that he could do it.
But I said, well, I think youcould do it.
I tried to.
I actually was hopeful.
I think I was solidly in linewith Mother Mary and she was
telling me to be hopeful and topersevere.
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Right, that's what she wastelling me to do.
So I passed that knowledge onto Jordan and I was hopeful and
I was asking him to perseverewith me, and so he went back out
on tour.
But he wasn't well.
He was still in a lot of painand it went on for months and I
couldn't make inroads into hisrecovery.
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And we were in Detroit, quiteclose to Toronto, and I thought
I'm going to go home.
And so I went home and I wantedto be on tour and I wanted to
be with my husband, but I wasn'table to.
And so I prayed and I said youknow, I would really like to be
on tour, I like to be with myhusband, I don't want to be here
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by myself.
But I don't know what to do.
I don't know what to do becausewhat we were doing wasn't
working.
And I heard a voice say to meget your own hotel room.
And I thought, well, that's astrange message.
I mean, I didn't see thatcoming.
And so I called a friend who isa spiritual friend of mine, so
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I was going to listen to whatshe had to say and I said I
think God told me to get my ownhotel room.
And she said I think that's agood.
Get my own hotel room.
And she said I think that's agood idea, I think that you
ought to do that.
And I thought, okay, so I wentback on tour and I got my own
hotel room and the first nightwe got there we didn't have a
lecture.
So Jordan said oh, you can staywith me tonight.
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I said I have my own hotel room, I think I'll just go stay.
And he said really.
But over time he came to realizethat that gave him more
personal space.
It gave him more time to dowhat he needed to do.
He could come home after theshows and I wasn't sleeping in
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the bed, he didn't have to bequiet, he could probably watch a
movie after, because he was allwound up from the night of the
lecture and everything.
And then he could sleep in inthe morning and I wasn't trying
to, you know, get out of bed anddo Pilates early in the morning
.
And for me, in that other room,I began to open the blinds, do
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my Pilates and schedule podcasts, which I hadn't been doing
Because we were sharing thisroom, we were too much in each
other's way, we weren't takingenough personal space and we
weren't doing.
I wasn't and I was not doingwhat I needed to do.
If he had a podcast, I madesure that I sat in the corner
and read a book in the hotelroom, but I wasn't even
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scheduling mine and read a bookin the hotel room, but I wasn't
even scheduling mine.
So you have to be reallycareful and see what it is
you're doing in yourrelationship.
Are you getting what you needto be the best person that you
can be so that you can offer toothers what you have to offer,
or are you submitting so much ofyourself to your husband that
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you're being squashed?
But you know you're doing it toyourself largely because you're
not saying what you need.
You have to say what you need,and God helped me with that.
He spoke to me again and toldme what I had to do, and it was
nothing that I was thinking.
So it was definitely not me.
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I didn't think that up, it washim.
And it's been very good andwe've both been very happy with
the result of that, becausewe've become more effective in
our pursuit of helping others.
So you know, I know it takes alot of reflection, right, it
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takes a lot of self-reflectionand a lot of listening to hear
what God might have to say.
And you know, instead oftalking all the time and saying
what we think is what we think,listening and being attentive,
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but listening then you'll hearwhat you need to hear.
Yeah.
Queenie Yu (21:57):
And we can learn from Our Lady, because she
always listened.
There you go, the Gospel says,
Tammy Peterson (22:04):
she pondered things in her heart no, there's
so much we have to learn fromher.
Yes, absolutely, and, and Ican't believe all these things
are written in the Bible yeah,yeah, and I just wanted to go
back just to Father Eric.
Sheila Nonato (22:22):
When you were sick, he had given you a novena
to St Josemaria and you werepraying it.
What day was it when you weretold you're fine?
Do you remember?
Tammy Peterson (22:35):
It was the fifth day.
It was the fifth day, okay, dayfive.
Yeah, fifth day, day five.
It was the fifth day, yeah, no,that was lovely.
He blessed me and gave me thatNovena from St Josemaria Escriva
, and it's a Novena for the sick.
Nine days of prayer.
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Nine days of prayer.
I was in the hospital, I prayedthem, prayed the prayers, and I
had had my first surgery.
It hadn't gone well.
They couldn't find anythingthey was looking for and you
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know they had a sophisticatedway.
That's why I went down there.
They had put dye into my lymphsystem so that my lymph was a
color that would show up on anMRI screen, and they thought if
they did that, they'd be able tosee a plume come through and
they would know where the leakwas, where the lymph was leaking
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out of my lymph system.
But they didn't see it anywhere, which is kind of remarkable
that they couldn't find it yet.
I was still wasting away andthen they told me they were
going to have to cut me open.
So the next surgery was goingto be coming soon and they had
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told me I would have to do a fatchallenge, so I would have to
eat something with fat in it,and I'd been avoiding fat so far
, because I wanted the lymphsystem to rest, and maybe it
would heal if it rested, becausewhen you eat fat, that's when
the lymph system works hard.
And so I ate something that wasfatty the night before because
I thought they're going to cutme with a knife, so I don't know
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, it just felt like the right,you know.
So those are those momentswhere God is telling you what to
do.
So you don't know that you'redoing it, because God's telling
you to do it, but it seems likethe right thing.
When something seems like theright thing to do, that's
because you're having listeningto your intuition and God is
nudging you to to, uh, um, dothe next right thing.
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So I ate something with fat andI looked at the the bag, cause
there was a bag that was sittingon the side of my abdomen,
because there was a tube thatwas draining this fluid, because
if it didn't, then my stomachswelled up so much.
Well, draining this fluid,because if it didn't, then my
stomach swelled up so much.
Well, it wouldn't have been, itwould be then wouldn't have
been the end of me.
So it had a drain on it to keepit reasonably comfortable.
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And, uh, the next morning I washaving breakfast and an intern
came and then the head nursecame and they said we'd like you
to do a fat challenge.
And I said, "h, I did it lastnight.
Oh, they said, well, let's seethis bag.
So I lift up this bag and itwas clear liquid.
It looked like urine, it wasjust clear yellow liquid.
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Oh, they said there's no fat inthe bag because it should be
milky.
It should be milky because ifthe lymph is still leaking out
and you've eaten fat, then thereshould be fat in it.
They said you're better.
I said, oh, that means I'mbetter.
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That had been months.
Right, that had been months.
And so then, within half an hour, I was in the hospital and
they'd taken out my IV and thisother plug that was in me.
Oh, and I had a TPN diet tubethat was here, so where you eat
and the tube just takes the foodto your heart.
So they took that out.
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So they took out all thesethings and I went to the Airbnb
where my husband was there andmy mother-in-law was there and
my sister-in-law and her kidsand my son and his wife, and we
all were together and I didn'thave anything attached to me and
I looked at my phone and Irealized it was August 19th, it
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was our anniversary, and thatwas the day I told Jordan I was
better.
I had no idea it was that dayuntil the day was practically
half over before I understoodthat this was the day that I was
healed was my anniversary.
The doctors didn't know what tosay.
(27:05):
They said sometimes when theyput the dye in people's lymph
systems, the hole will close.
And they had put dye in mysystem.
So that may have been themechanical reason, but that had
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happened.
On the day I said it was goingto happen was something that was
difficult for my husband toignore, let's put it that way.
So I think it was good for hisfaith to have me healed that day
.
It was a miracle that hecouldn't he couldn't talk his
way out of yeah.
Sheila Nonato (27:50):
Yeah, and finally , Queenie, what can we learn
from your friendship?
What have you learned and whatcan we learn from your
friendship with Mrs Peterson?
Can we learn from?
your friendship with MrsPeterson.
Queenie Yu (28:04):
Well, I was thinking , as I mentioned, when I first
went to the hospital, we weren'tfriends, we were just
acquaintances.
But it was through the rosarythat we developed this
friendship and this bond, and Iwas thinking that anybody could
do the same thing, that anybodycould do the same thing.
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Some people are shy to approachpeople that they don't know
well or they think, oh, I'm notgonna pray the rosary with this
person because maybe they're notCatholic or they're not taking
their faith too seriously and Idon't want to impose.
But no, go for it.
People are seeking comfort, sobring them to Mary and, as I
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said, anybody could do it.
So if somebody is a senior andshe's experiencing a lot of
aches and pains, she could praythe rosary with somebody, or a
child.
Anybody can do it.
It's not rocket science and itwill really change somebody's
life, as we have seen with Tammy.
Co-Host (29:08):
Yeah.
Sheila Nonato (29:09):
Yes, beautiful.
And finally, Mrs Peterson, Ijust wanted to go back to.
You had mentioned this phrase,"the next right thing, a lot
throughout the interview.
So that is a phrase that yougot from your father, your
beloved father, is that correctthat that's sort of what he had
imparted to you?
Tammy Peterson (29:29):
The next right thing.
I think that came from mybeloved husband.
I think that's who it came from.
Wow, okay, the next right thing.
I think that's a Carl Jung.
It might be a Carl Jung phrase.
If I got it from my husband, iteasily could be a Carl Jung
phrase.
If I got it from my husband, iteasily could be a Carl Jung
phrase because he's studied Jungfor such a very long time.
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But I think it's a beautifuland succinct phrase because we
often wonder what we should bedoing and if we just think that
it's up to us just to payattention and listen.
So to listen and we have eyesand we have ears, that's what
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our senses are for to payattention, and we will see or
hear, or feel, or intuit.
The next right thing to do, andthat's all we have to do, is to
take the next right step.
We don't have to think aboutsolving the world problems or to
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save the world.
What we need to do is to wantto do good.
That's our vision, is to dogood to find heaven, really to
find the kingdom of God.
We want to find what is, youknow, the ultimate beauty in the
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world.
But all we can do is to take isto do the next right thing,
because here we are on earth,we're mortal, we have feet and
hands and a brain, and we'remortal, so we have to work our
magic in the world.
So we do that, one step at atime, but we don't know what the
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outcome is going to be.
And we don't worry about theoutcome, because that's not our
problem.
Our problem is the process totake the next right step.
It's process, not outcome.
The outcome is not up to us.
Sheila Nonato (31:40):
Yeah, Thank you very much for joining me today,
for sharing the beginning of howyour friendship began, rooted
in love for our Lord and ourLady, and I'm sure it will give
a lot of inspiration to many ofour listeners out there who
might be going through their owncrosses and will see how God
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can enter into their lives, howthey can turn to Mother Mary as
their mother during theirdifficult times, and I look
forward to hopefully seeing youagain.
So, God bless and thank you somuch for taking this time.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Thank you, it was great to seeyou both.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Great to talk to you, and mykids say, "ello, thank you.
Tammy Peterson (32:21):
That's very Good luck with your podcast.
Sheila Nonato (32:27):
Oh, Thank you so much, Thank you, God bless, bye.
Queenie Yu (32:29):
Thank you, thanks, bye.
Sheila Nonato (32:32):
Lent is our journey towards Calvary, where
we stand at the foot of thecross with Mother Mary, st John
and those who loved him.
When Jesus turned to His motherand said, "woman, behold your
son.
And to St John he said, beholdyour mother, the story came full
circle and it was complete.
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Woman helped in the redemptionof man, as Jesus' sacrifice
redeemed us all, and we see howMary is the new Eve.
Mary became our mother, amother to all.
May the story of Tammy andQueenie's faith and friendship
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inspire and strengthen you inyour faith and motherhood,
especially during this Lentenseason.
My family wishes you a blessedand holy Lent Until next time
when we turn the tables and mydaughter interviews me about the
retreat I recently went on andthe spiritual nuggets that are
helping me in my journey ofmotherhood.
Take care, thank you and Godbless.
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Thank you for listening to theVeil and Armor podcast.
Co-Host (33:59):
I invite you to share this with another Catholic mom
today.
Please subscribe to our podcastand YouTube channel and please
spread the word.
Let's Be Brave, let's Be Boldand Be Blessed together.
The amazing thing is you mentioned that you found a
lot of comfort in the Rosary andsome people, when they're in
pain, they're just thinking orthey're just praying to God that
God would take away the sourceof their suffering.
But the source of the sufferingwas still there.
You still had your cancer, butyou received comfort from the
prayer.
Tammy Peterson (00:19):
Well, I had a big, you know, I had a huge
change of heart when I told myson I was going to die and I
looked at his response and sawthe grief in his eyes that he
was going to lose his mother andI saw the love that I had for
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him reflected back to me in away that I had never had that
done before and it was redeeming.
You know, it was redeeming.
Sheila Nonato (00:51):
Hello and welcome to the Veil and Armour podcast.
This is your host, SheilaNonato.
I'm a stay-at-home mom and afreelance Catholic journalist.
Seeking the guidance of theHoly Spirit and the inspiration
of Our Lady.
I strive to tell stories thatinspire, illuminate and enrich
the lives of Catholic women, tohelp them in living out our
vocation of raising the nextgeneration of leaders and saints
(01:14):
.
Co-Host (01:14):
Please join us every week on the Veil and Armour
podcast, where stories comealive through a journalist's
lens and mother's heart.
Sheila Nonato (01:23):
This month the world celebrates women, their
contributions, achievements andsacrifices.
30 years earlier, the late StJohn Paul II declared 1995 the
year of the woman.
He also published his letter towomen where he wrote about the
feminine genius.
It is a countercultural view ofwomen, contradicting radical
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feminist ideal.
In his letter, Saint John PaulII highlighted women's God-given
vocation, women's human dignity, equality and complementarity
with men.
A woman is called to be amother, sometimes in the body,
but always in the soul.
Emily Stimson Chapman wrotesuccinctly and beautifully in
(02:07):
The National Catholic Registerabout the feminine genius of
women.
Who is the ideal woman, theideal mother?
It is Our Lady who, sadly, ismuch maligned in our society
because she embodies theopposite of worldly values and
radical feminist ideals.
Instead she embodies theopposite of worldly values and
radical feminist ideals.
Instead she embodies humilityand.
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God's truth that love issacrifice.
We know, as Our Lady and OurLord have taught us, that the
Christian life does not existwithout love, service and
sacrifice.
To serve means to reign.
St John Paul II wrote in hisletter to Catholics called
Mulieris Dignitatem, on thedignity and vocation of women.
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When Mary said yes to the angelGabriel to answer God's call to
become the mother of God, itwas not a response of weakness
but of strength.
Mother Mary's seemingly meekand humble yes turned into her
pivotal role in salvationhistory.
We cannot have Jesus withoutMary.
After the fall of our firstparents, adam and Eve, the gates
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of heaven were closed to all ofus In his mercy.
God said.
Heaven can be opened once againafter the coming of the Saviour
Jesus Christ.
Jesus' life is so closelyintertwined with his mother, a
life that we can contemplate andemulate through the mysteries
of the Holy Rosary.
It was Our Lady's example ofstrength and this long-standing
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Catholic meditation of the HolyRosary that serve as the bonds
of friendship between Canadianpodcaster Tammy Peterson and
fellow Catholic convert QueenieYu.
Queenie journeyed with Tammywhen she battled the cross of
cancer and illness.
How did Tammy take up her cross?
How did Queenie have theboldness to share her faith with
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someone who was not yet afriend.
We will listen to part two oftheir story of faith, friendship
and conversion.
Listen P art Two of their storyof faith, friendship and
conversion.
Let's begin with a prayer.
Let's pray the Hail Mary, inthe name of the Father and of
the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
Amen, hail Mary, full of grace,the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women,and blessed is the fruit of thy
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womb, jesus.
Holy Mary, mother of God, prayfor us sinners, now and at the
hour of our death.
Amen.
In the name of the Father andof the Son and of the Holy
Spirit.
Amen.
Thank you.
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And finally, I just want to goback to.
You had mentioned the DynamicWomen of Faith Conference over
500 women.
You could hear a pin drop whenyou were speaking.
Dorothy Pilarski, the organizer, had recognized your friendship
.
Both of you on stage gave youflowers.
It was just a beautiful momentto witness, and you had also
(05:01):
spoken during your speech aboutthe cross, the crosses that you
have carried, your illness, yourdaughter's illness, and I
believe you had also spokenduring your speech about the
cross, the crosses that you havecarried, your illness, your
daughter's illness, and Ibelieve you had also shared the
story of your husband findinghim in distress in your house.
And how did all of thesecrosses?
And, Queenie, you were therewith Mrs Peterson when she was
enduring the cross of herillness.
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How did all of these crosses?
How were you able to carry allof these crosses?
What can we learn from you?
Tammy Peterson (05:33):
Well, I think when my daughter was ill and she
was ill from the time she wasquite young, so I was quite
young, I was only 30 when shewas born and she started having
trouble, pain when she was justin kindergarten so a little
little girl.
And so that would have been.
She was born in 1992, so thatwould have been oh yeah, and it
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was when we moved from Harvard,from Boston, to Toronto.
That was in 1998.
That's when she started to showsymptoms that I understood
something was terribly wrong andI began to pray.
I began to pray, but I prayedto my mother.
I prayed to my mother.
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My mother was ill, she haddementia, so she was dying and
she died in 2007.
So from then on, I would havebeen praying to my mother, and I
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realize now, in later years,that I was praying to what was
best in my mother, and what'sbest in my mother is Mother Mary
.
So I was praying to Mother Maryto help.
I was always asking my mom tohelp, help, help my daughter,
help my daughter to find her wayto health and protect her, and
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it was a daily practice ofpraying to my mother.
And then you know, so that Ithink, when I began to realize
that it was Mother Mary that Iwas praying to, and I didn't
realize that until I was sickand Queenie brought me the
rosary and I began to pray therosary and it was powerful to me
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, and so then I began to praydirectly to Mother Mary for her
intercession and my troubles,and it was very powerful because
it did help.
It did help I didn't have asmuch pain.
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So by the time I was well and myhusband was sick, by then I had
been praying for a very longtime and had become much more
sophisticated in myunderstanding of exactly even
without entering into the churchyet, even without entering into
the church yet exactly what Iwas praying for, with the help
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of Queenie.
And I had some priests actuallywho had reached out to me too,
and so I talked to them.
Father Fred Dolan and he stillreaches out to me all the time,
and at that point it was him andalso the priest who works,
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Father Eric, Father Eric,Nicolai yes, his last name is
Nicolai.
Co-Host (08:37):
Yes.
Tammy Peterson (08:37):
Yeah, and he came to me just before I went
down to the doctor in the Stateswho was going to look for this
leak that was in my lymph system, and he blessed me before I
left.
Queenie asked if I wanted to beblessed and I said, "yes, I
think that would be very helpful.
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And he came to my apartmentwhere my husband and I were just
before we left, and he blessedme and he told me to pray for
gratitude and that would.
That was very, uh, powerful forme, because I listened and I
thought, pray for gratitude,okay.
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And so that began my journey ofdeeply, more deeply,
understanding what it meant topray for gratitude.
And I find now that if I'm tooconsumed by what's happened to
me and what is concerning me, ifI start to think about what I'm
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grateful for, that takes me outof my head, so that I'm not
focusing on myself and I'mfocusing on others.
And when Queenie taught me therosary, she'd say what is your
intention?
So then I'd think what's myintention?
And at first it was, I know,pray for my mother who's passed
away.
So pray for all those who'vepassed away.
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And then, I had a little.
That was my first granddaughterand she was very tiny, and so
pray for all the new babies.
Okay, so pray for all the newbabies.
And then, you know, I wouldwant to pray for my children who
are young parents.
Okay, well, pray for all theyoung parents.
Young parents, okay, well, prayfor all the young parents.
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And then pray for all the sickand dying, and pray for all the
people in the hospital.
I remember we prayed for allthe peoples in the hospital.
I was in the hospital.
So all those intentions, oh,when you get out of that, you're
not thinking about yourselfanymore and worrying about how
downtrodden your life is oranything.
I don't know, it just it's.
It just seems like verypractical.
It seems like a very practicalthing to do to pay attention to
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others, to give your best toothers.
Somehow that miraculously stopsyou from any of your
preoccupations that you may havecome in with of your own needs
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or your own inadequacies,because you're feeling like
there's something missing.
So you look to yourself what doI need?
Maybe I need to shop on Amazon,right, maybe I need to go buy
something.
But when it turns out, actually, if you start doing things for
others, those preoccupations,they just go away, because that
isn't what we need.
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We don't need another thing inour lives.
We need each other.
We need to help lift up eachother.
That's what we're here for.
Lift up each other, that's whatwe're here for.
Queenie Yu (11:45):
When you talked about the cross, I was just
thinking about what C.
S.
Lewis said.
He said that God whispers to uswhen we experience pleasure, He
speaks to us in our conscienceand He shouts when we experience
pain.
Yeah, that's right, and He wasspeaking to you in your illness.
Tammy Peterson (12:08):
Yes.
Queenie Yu (12:09):
And drawing you closer to him.
And I just remember, rightbefore your confirmation, before
the Easter Vigil, you had a lotof pain in your leg, so much so
that you had to walk with yourback, and you had to walk with a
cane, and with difficulty aswell, and I genuinely saw it as
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the devil's way of puttingobstacles in your path to get
confirmed.
But now you're fine, right.
Tammy Peterson (12:36):
But now I'm fine .
Yeah, that's right, I'm fine.
I still use lumbar supportbecause I think I'm too short
for the plane seats and I thinkthat's why I hurt my back maybe.
So I think everybody who's likeunder five foot eight probably
should use lumbar support on anairplane if they're taking air
or if they're in a car they needlump.
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You need lumbar support because95% of people have low back
pain, and so it's a.
It's a big problem becausesitting percent of people have
low back pain, and so it's a.
It's a big problem becausesitting sitting is trouble, and
so I would even suggest for youguys to use lumber support in
your chairs because, uh, youwant to keep and I'm I'm pretty
strong, right?
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I?
I had done yoga before.
Now I do pilates and I do.
I have a teacher who teaches meall the time but I still hurt my
back.
So it isn't—you can be aswell-prepared as you want, but
then— anyway, my back got takenout and I couldn't go on tour
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with my husband.
So my husband said you knowyour daughter's having some
troubles.
She could probably use yourhelp.
So I was no good.
I wasn't going to stay at homealone, so I came down here and I
didn't even think I was thatmuch help, but she was so
grateful to have me here, hermother, who was walking with the
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cane and barely walking evenbecause I could barely even walk
, but every day I walked just alittle bit and over the month of
going to a chiropractor andgetting treatments to stretch me
out.
See, that's the other thing wehave to do is we have to hang.
We have to hang from somethingso that our vertebrae get a
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little bit of space, and sothat's one of the things that
we're supposed to do daily tomake sure that our spines stay,
uh, without any pinched nervesin them, because things, just
your, your vertebrae, the, thecushioning between them, it's
vulnerable, and so if, if we goout to our kids, play things and
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hang for a little while andrelax, your feet have to be on
the ground so that you canactually relax and let your
spine lengthen.
I did that like every day,every day, every day, and I
don't do it, and I don't even doit that much anymore and I
should, so that'll remind me todo it.
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But through that month when Ifinally, when my month, when my
back was better, michaela'ssituation had resolved and I
left and I thought that'sstrange.
That's strange that I hurt myback, came to be with her and
through this month ofrehabilitation, everything has
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turned out all right and so Godbrings good out of everything
yeah, yeah, but it's not alwayseasy.
Right, like you said, I was in alot of pain.
I didn't know whether at EasterI was going to be able to come
to the church and do what I hadto do, because I could barely
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stand up.
I was kind of bent over.
It was not good, but it wasfine.
It was fine and it was a lovelyday.
And from then I got better.
And it was a lovely day andfrom then I got better.
So I, just one day at a time,one moment at a time, sometimes
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one moment at a time and do thenext right thing.
What's the next right thing?
Well, to get your cane and goout and walk for a little while.
Maybe you can only go a fewsteps, but to do it.
And you know, at the end ofthat month, when I got back that
I didn't have to use the caneand I could start doing Pilates
again, I was so much weaker.
I was so much weaker and Ithought, gee, you know, if I had
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just decided I was going tojust sit in a scooter and not do
anything because my back washurt, I would have lost all my
muscle power.
And then how would I haverehabilitated a month later when
my back didn't hurt, becausethen I would be so
catastrophically weak that itwould take forever for me to
rehabilitate.
So you know, if you can get upand do the next right thing, get
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up and do the next right thing.
Get up and do the next rightthing, like, don't, don't lay in
bed in self-pity.
Get up, do what you can, restas much as you need, but get up
and do, do what you can and getyourself through that.
You know, when I got better andJordan was sick, that time we
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went back on tour.
When he was getting, you know,I thought you're not better, but
you're probably better enough.
We could probably go on thebook tour, and he wasn't sure
that he could do it.
But I said, well, I think youcould do it.
I tried to.
I actually was hopeful.
I think I was solidly in linewith Mother Mary and she was
telling me to be hopeful and topersevere.
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Right, that's what she wastelling me to do.
So I passed that knowledge onto Jordan and I was hopeful and
I was asking him to perseverewith me, and so he went back out
on tour.
But he wasn't well.
He was still in a lot of painand it went on for months and I
couldn't make inroads into hisrecovery.
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And we were in Detroit, quiteclose to Toronto, and I thought
I'm going to go home.
And so I went home and I wantedto be on tour and I wanted to
be with my husband, but I wasn'table to.
And so I prayed and I said youknow, I would really like to be
on tour, I like to be with myhusband, I don't want to be here
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by myself.
But I don't know what to do.
I don't know what to do becausewhat we were doing wasn't
working.
And I heard a voice say to meget your own hotel room.
And I thought, well, that's astrange message.
I mean, I didn't see thatcoming.
And so I called a friend who isa spiritual friend of mine, so
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I was going to listen to whatshe had to say and I said I
think God told me to get my ownhotel room.
And she said I think that's agood.
Get my own hotel room.
And she said I think that's agood idea, I think that you
ought to do that.
And I thought, okay, so I wentback on tour and I got my own
hotel room and the first nightwe got there we didn't have a
lecture.
So Jordan said oh, you can staywith me tonight.
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I said I have my own hotel room, I think I'll just go stay.
And he said really.
But over time he came to realizethat that gave him more
personal space.
It gave him more time to dowhat he needed to do.
He could come home after theshows and I wasn't sleeping in
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the bed, he didn't have to bequiet, he could probably watch a
movie after, because he was allwound up from the night of the
lecture and everything.
And then he could sleep in inthe morning and I wasn't trying
to, you know, get out of bed anddo Pilates early in the morning
.
And for me, in that other room,I began to open the blinds, do
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my Pilates and schedule podcasts, which I hadn't been doing
Because we were sharing thisroom, we were too much in each
other's way, we weren't takingenough personal space and we
weren't doing.
I wasn't and I was not doingwhat I needed to do.
If he had a podcast, I madesure that I sat in the corner
and read a book in the hotelroom, but I wasn't even
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scheduling mine and read a bookin the hotel room, but I wasn't
even scheduling mine.
So you have to be reallycareful and see what it is
you're doing in yourrelationship.
Are you getting what you needto be the best person that you
can be so that you can offer toothers what you have to offer,
or are you submitting so much ofyourself to your husband that
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you're being squashed?
But you know you're doing it toyourself largely because you're
not saying what you need.
You have to say what you need,and God helped me with that.
He spoke to me again and toldme what I had to do, and it was
nothing that I was thinking.
So it was definitely not me.
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I didn't think that up, it washim.
And it's been very good andwe've both been very happy with
the result of that, becausewe've become more effective in
our pursuit of helping others.
So you know, I know it takes alot of reflection, right, it
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takes a lot of self-reflectionand a lot of listening to hear
what God might have to say.
And you know, instead oftalking all the time and saying
what we think is what we think,listening and being attentive,
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but listening then you'll hearwhat you need to hear.
Yeah.
Queenie Yu (21:57):
And we can learn from Our Lady, because she
always listened.
There you go, the Gospel says,
Tammy Peterson (22:04):
she pondered things in her heart no, there's
so much we have to learn fromher.
Yes, absolutely, and, and Ican't believe all these things
are written in the Bible yeah,yeah, and I just wanted to go
back just to Father Eric.
Sheila Nonato (22:22):
When you were sick, he had given you a novena
to St Josemaria and you werepraying it.
What day was it when you weretold you're fine?
Do you remember?
Tammy Peterson (22:35):
It was the fifth day.
It was the fifth day, okay, dayfive.
Yeah, fifth day, day five.
It was the fifth day, yeah, no,that was lovely.
He blessed me and gave me thatNovena from St Josemaria Escriva
, and it's a Novena for the sick.
Nine days of prayer.
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Nine days of prayer.
I was in the hospital, I prayedthem, prayed the prayers, and I
had had my first surgery.
It hadn't gone well.
They couldn't find anythingthey was looking for and you
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know they had a sophisticatedway.
That's why I went down there.
They had put dye into my lymphsystem so that my lymph was a
color that would show up on anMRI screen, and they thought if
they did that, they'd be able tosee a plume come through and
they would know where the leakwas, where the lymph was leaking
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out of my lymph system.
But they didn't see it anywhere, which is kind of remarkable
that they couldn't find it yet.
I was still wasting away andthen they told me they were
going to have to cut me open.
So the next surgery was goingto be coming soon and they had
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told me I would have to do a fatchallenge, so I would have to
eat something with fat in it,and I'd been avoiding fat so far
, because I wanted the lymphsystem to rest, and maybe it
would heal if it rested, becausewhen you eat fat, that's when
the lymph system works hard.
And so I ate something that wasfatty the night before because
I thought they're going to cutme with a knife, so I don't know
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, it just felt like the right,you know.
So those are those momentswhere God is telling you what to
do.
So you don't know that you'redoing it, because God's telling
you to do it, but it seems likethe right thing.
When something seems like theright thing to do, that's
because you're having listeningto your intuition and God is
nudging you to to, uh, um, dothe next right thing.
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So I ate something with fat andI looked at the the bag, cause
there was a bag that was sittingon the side of my abdomen,
because there was a tube thatwas draining this fluid, because
if it didn't, then my stomachswelled up so much.
Well, draining this fluid,because if it didn't, then my
stomach swelled up so much.
Well, it wouldn't have been, itwould be then wouldn't have
been the end of me.
So it had a drain on it to keepit reasonably comfortable.
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And, uh, the next morning I washaving breakfast and an intern
came and then the head nursecame and they said we'd like you
to do a fat challenge.
And I said, "h, I did it lastnight.
Oh, they said, well, let's seethis bag.
So I lift up this bag and itwas clear liquid.
It looked like urine, it wasjust clear yellow liquid.
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Oh, they said there's no fat inthe bag because it should be
milky.
It should be milky because ifthe lymph is still leaking out
and you've eaten fat, then thereshould be fat in it.
They said you're better.
I said, oh, that means I'mbetter.
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That had been months.
Right, that had been months.
And so then, within half an hour, I was in the hospital and
they'd taken out my IV and thisother plug that was in me.
Oh, and I had a TPN diet tubethat was here, so where you eat
and the tube just takes the foodto your heart.
So they took that out.
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So they took out all thesethings and I went to the Airbnb
where my husband was there andmy mother-in-law was there and
my sister-in-law and her kidsand my son and his wife, and we
all were together and I didn'thave anything attached to me and
I looked at my phone and Irealized it was August 19th, it
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was our anniversary, and thatwas the day I told Jordan I was
better.
I had no idea it was that dayuntil the day was practically
half over before I understoodthat this was the day that I was
healed was my anniversary.
The doctors didn't know what tosay.
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They said sometimes when theyput the dye in people's lymph
systems, the hole will close.
And they had put dye in mysystem.
So that may have been themechanical reason, but that had
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happened.
On the day I said it was goingto happen was something that was
difficult for my husband toignore, let's put it that way.
So I think it was good for hisfaith to have me healed that day
.
It was a miracle that hecouldn't he couldn't talk his
way out of yeah.
Sheila Nonato (27:50):
Yeah, and finally , Queenie, what can we learn
from your friendship?
What have you learned and whatcan we learn from your
friendship with Mrs Peterson?
Can we learn from?
your friendship with MrsPeterson.
Queenie Yu (28:04):
Well, I was thinking , as I mentioned, when I first
went to the hospital, we weren'tfriends, we were just
acquaintances.
But it was through the rosarythat we developed this
friendship and this bond, and Iwas thinking that anybody could
do the same thing, that anybodycould do the same thing.
(28:25):
Some people are shy to approachpeople that they don't know
well or they think, oh, I'm notgonna pray the rosary with this
person because maybe they're notCatholic or they're not taking
their faith too seriously and Idon't want to impose.
But no, go for it.
People are seeking comfort, sobring them to Mary and, as I
(28:48):
said, anybody could do it.
So if somebody is a senior andshe's experiencing a lot of
aches and pains, she could praythe rosary with somebody, or a
child.
Anybody can do it.
It's not rocket science and itwill really change somebody's
life, as we have seen with Tammy.
Co-Host (29:08):
Yeah.
Sheila Nonato (29:09):
Yes, beautiful.
And finally, Mrs Peterson, Ijust wanted to go back to.
You had mentioned this phrase,"the next right thing, a lot
throughout the interview.
So that is a phrase that yougot from your father, your
beloved father, is that correctthat that's sort of what he had
imparted to you?
Tammy Peterson (29:29):
The next right thing.
I think that came from mybeloved husband.
I think that's who it came from.
Wow, okay, the next right thing.
I think that's a Carl Jung.
It might be a Carl Jung phrase.
If I got it from my husband, iteasily could be a Carl Jung
phrase.
If I got it from my husband, iteasily could be a Carl Jung
phrase because he's studied Jungfor such a very long time.
(29:50):
But I think it's a beautifuland succinct phrase because we
often wonder what we should bedoing and if we just think that
it's up to us just to payattention and listen.
So to listen and we have eyesand we have ears, that's what
(30:15):
our senses are for to payattention, and we will see or
hear, or feel, or intuit.
The next right thing to do, andthat's all we have to do, is to
take the next right step.
We don't have to think aboutsolving the world problems or to
(30:38):
save the world.
What we need to do is to wantto do good.
That's our vision, is to dogood to find heaven, really to
find the kingdom of God.
We want to find what is, youknow, the ultimate beauty in the
(31:03):
world.
But all we can do is to take isto do the next right thing,
because here we are on earth,we're mortal, we have feet and
hands and a brain, and we'remortal, so we have to work our
magic in the world.
So we do that, one step at atime, but we don't know what the
(31:25):
outcome is going to be.
And we don't worry about theoutcome, because that's not our
problem.
Our problem is the process totake the next right step.
It's process, not outcome.
The outcome is not up to us.
Sheila Nonato (31:40):
Yeah, Thank you very much for joining me today,
for sharing the beginning of howyour friendship began, rooted
in love for our Lord and ourLady, and I'm sure it will give
a lot of inspiration to many ofour listeners out there who
might be going through their owncrosses and will see how God
(32:03):
can enter into their lives, howthey can turn to Mother Mary as
their mother during theirdifficult times, and I look
forward to hopefully seeing youagain.
So, God bless and thank you somuch for taking this time.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Thank you, it was great to seeyou both.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Great to talk to you, and mykids say, "ello, thank you.
Tammy Peterson (32:21):
That's very Good luck with your podcast.
Sheila Nonato (32:27):
Oh, Thank you so much, Thank you, God bless, bye.
Queenie Yu (32:29):
Thank you, thanks, bye.
Sheila Nonato (32:32):
Lent is our journey towards Calvary, where
we stand at the foot of thecross with Mother Mary, st John
and those who loved him.
When Jesus turned to His motherand said, "woman, behold your
son.
And to St John he said, beholdyour mother, the story came full
circle and it was complete.
(32:54):
Woman helped in the redemptionof man, as Jesus' sacrifice
redeemed us all, and we see howMary is the new Eve.
Mary became our mother, amother to all.
May the story of Tammy andQueenie's faith and friendship
(33:18):
inspire and strengthen you inyour faith and motherhood,
especially during this Lentenseason.
My family wishes you a blessedand holy Lent Until next time
when we turn the tables and mydaughter interviews me about the
retreat I recently went on andthe spiritual nuggets that are
helping me in my journey ofmotherhood.
Take care, thank you and Godbless.
(33:41):
Thank you for listening to theVeil and Armor podcast.
Co-Host (33:59):
I invite you to share this with another Catholic mom
today.
Please subscribe to our podcastand YouTube channel and please
spread the word.
Let's Be Brave, let's Be Boldand Be Blessed together.
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