Thanks be to God! Our warmest thanks to each and every one of you!
Happy Podcast Anniversary!
As we mark one year of the Veil and Armour podcast, this episode invites you into a personal family conversation about creating spiritual retreats within the rhythm of daily life. Recorded during Holy Week but relevant year-round, we explore how the concept of "retreat" can transform our homes into sanctuaries of prayer and peace.
Drawing from a recent retreat experience, we unpack the Biblical foundations for spiritual withdrawal and renewal. Just as the Prophet Elijah received heavenly nourishment in the wilderness that sustained him for 40 days, we too, need spiritual food for our journey. The conversation shares practical ways to create sacred spaces at home – from establishing a simple home altar with a crucifix and candle, to carving out moments for family prayer and Scripture reading.
My children's questions about retreat life lead to deeper reflections on prayer as relationship. "Prayer is a conversation with God," we discover, "and heaven itself is a relationship." This perspective transforms our understanding of spiritual disciplines from obligation to life-giving connection. Like a muscle that strengthens with exercise, our prayer life grows more robust with consistent practice.
The episode takes on unexpected poignancy as we discuss Pope Francis's final Easter appearance and his death on Easter Monday. His example of carrying suffering with dignity while still ministering to others becomes a powerful illustration of the Easter message – that our sufferings united with Christ's passion lead ultimately to the joy of His Resurrection.
Whether you're seeking to deepen your family's faith practices or looking for simple ways to create moments of spiritual connection amid busy days, this anniversary episode offers gentle guidance and encouragement. Join us as we celebrate a year of stories and continue our journey together, supporting one another through prayer and shared experience in the seasons ahead.
This episode was recorded in two parts, the first being on April 15, and the second part on May 2nd. There was a technical glitch to the April 15 recording which required a May 2nd updated ending.
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Sheila Nonato (00:01):
Happy Easter, Sisters in Christ, to you and
your families.
My family and I thank each andevery one of you for helping us
to get to one year of podcasting.
It's all thanks be to God,thanks to you! Thank you for all
the guests who said yes toshare their inspiring story!
This week it's a conversationwith my children and
(00:23):
unfortunately, it's a little bitlate because we didn't discuss
Holy Week but Easter and all ofthe habits that we have
developed during Lent.
We can definitely continue pastHoly Week and Easter to bring
that peace and that joy ofChrist in our homes every day.
(00:43):
During the chat with mychildren, we talked about the
retreat.
I went on and it's really verypractical to go on retreat
because it helps you torejuvenate your spirit and your
soul.
It's very good for your souland for your body as well and
for your mind to retreat fromthe world, and you can adopt
(01:08):
these practices, this mentalityof retreating with the lord,
resting in the lord, and we'regoing to discuss that today and
please join me in a prayer forpope francis and the repose of
his soul and for the cardinalswho will choose the next pope,
in the name of the father andthe repose of his soul and for
the cardinals who will choosethe next pope.
In the name of the Father and ofthe Son and of the Holy Spirit,
(01:29):
amen, Heavenly Father, we prayfor the repose of the soul of
Pope Francis.
May he meet his Heavenly rewardin the embrace of Our Lady and
in your Holy presence.
We pray for the cardinals whowill be selecting the new pope.
May the Holy Spirit guide themin choosing the next leader of
your Holy Catholic Church.
(01:49):
In Jesus' name, we pray, Amen.
In the name of the Father andof the Son and of the Holy
Spirit, amen.
Hello and welcome to the Veiland Armour podcast.
This is your host, Sheila Nonato
Special Guest Co-Host (02:27):
where stories come alive through a
journalist's lens and mother'sheart.
Sheila Nonato (02:31):
Hello and Welcome to the Veil and Armour podcast,
and I'm joined by my children,who are an integral part of the
podcast, and my husband's nothere, but he is also, and so is
my other daughter.
Let's start with a prayer.
Special Guest Co-Host (02:45):
In the name of the Father and of the,
the Holy Spirit, amen.
Hail Mary, full of grace.
The Lord is with you.
Blessed art thou amongst womenblessed is the fruit of
Sheila Nonato (02:53):
of your womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, prayfor us sinners, now that you are
for death, Amen.
In the Father and the Son ofthe Holy Spirit and the Son and
the Holy Spirit, Amen.
He made a computer.
He made a computer.
Did you want to sing a song?
Special Guest Co-Host (03:07):
Happy birthday Mom's podcast.
Happy birthday, mom's podcast.
Happy birthday to Mom's podcast.
Happy birthday to Mom's podcast.
Happy birthday to Mom's podcast.
Happy birthday to Mom's Podcast.
Sheila Nonato (03:27):
Thank you very much and, yes, you're right
Around this time.
Easter time is when we startedthe podcast, the podcast
Apostolate, and we are verygrateful for all of the
listeners and all of the guestswho have come and shared their
powerful story of faith and yourtips on how to achieve holiness
in your daily life.
(03:48):
So, in terms of holiness, weare going to look at Holy Week
and it's not too late.
If you, like me, have been alittle bit lax on our Holy Week
aspirations in terms of prayer,almsgiving and fasting.
So we're going to talk aboutretreat and how that will apply
(04:10):
to holy week and, in particular,the triduum, which is okay,
hold on.
Holy thursday, good friday andeaster vigil, no Saturday Okay,
hold on.
And then we have Easter.
So Raphael is going to ask meabout the.
So let's listen to about theretreat.
(04:31):
Okay, let's listen to.
About the retreat.
Okay, you want to ask mesomething.
Who was the leader at theretreat, the retreat?
Her name was Miss Innes.
You have your book of questions.
Who is there?
It's a group of women.
I forget how many, is it, maybe50 or so women, or 51, I'm not
(04:57):
sure.
But yeah, let's listen.
Okay, women, mothers, mostlymothers who need time to
recharge and it's because, okay,let's listen, james, and what
was your question the other day?
Special Guest Co-Host (05:11):
How can you be a good mom when you're
tired?
Sheila Nonato (05:15):
Well, sometimes being tired just means you need
more rest.
You may need to take a break,and sometimes moms and dads need
to go on a retreat to rechargethemselves physically and
spiritually.
So that's what I did for threedays.
And who else do we know went ona retreat?
(05:37):
In the Bible, jesus, forexample.
What did he do?
Special Guest Co-Host (05:42):
He fasted on bread and water for 40 days.
Okay, and why did he do that?
Sorry, why did he do?
He fasted on bread and waterfor 40 days.
Sheila Nonato (05:46):
And why did he do that?
Sorry, why did he do that?
I don't really know.
Well, he was going to preparehimself because he knew it was
coming the passion.
He knew that he was going to beenduring suffering and he
needed to have that spiritualfood in order to carry that
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cross for us.
Special Guest Co-Host (06:13):
Wow.
Sheila Nonato (06:14):
Okay, James, can you please listen?
Special Guest Co-Host (06:16):
I'm listening, wow, yeah, on to the
next question.
Okay, yeah, okay.
Did you make any friends there?
Sheila Nonato (06:23):
Yeah, so it was a silent retreat, so you were
supposed to keep silence, likeJames.
No silence, right, keep silence.
So whenever you were eating, wewould listen to a podcast about
faith and then we would bepraying a lot, so praying
throughout the whole day, andthen listening to meditation by
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the priest or by the retreatleader and then, like I said,
during meals we would be insilence.
So at the end of the retreat,when james at the end of the
retreat.
that's when we could talk, so.
And I actually met somebody whowas at our wedding, a family
friend of your dad, and Ireconnected with her and it was
(07:08):
nice to meet her.
And I also met somebody fromBuffalo, new York, who is
friends with a couple of oldfriends from Buffalo also that
we haven't seen in more than 10years, so it was nice to to meet
her cool so I know james isvery excited.
(07:32):
That's why he's uh, you can hearhim talking and excitedly
showing how, uh, how, um happyhe is to be on the podcast.
Okay, so what's your nextquestion?
What did you eat there at theretreat?
Yeah, just, you know, fish.
Fish on Fridays because it'sLent.
And what else did we Actually?
(07:55):
No, it was before Lent, butFish Fridays is traditionally
what Catholics do, christians doyeah, just nourishing food.
And what was great about it ismoms take a break from the
cooking and the washing so wecan concentrate more on prayer.
So we, we pray throughout thewhole day.
We go, we get up meditation at8 a.
(08:17):
m.
, mass I think it is 8 (08:17):
30 or 8:45a.
m.
And then we have breakfast andthen we hear a talk and then
another meditation Time forconfession Time outside.
In the afternoon you can rest,you can read, and then we go to
(08:39):
dinner.
Actually, no, there'sBenediction, Adoration,
Eucharistic Adoration andBenediction.
So you spend a lot of time withour Lord, and then dinner and
then another meditation and thena little bit of a snack before
bedtime.
But you don't have to go tothat one.
If you don't want to, then youjust go to sleep and then you do
(09:00):
it again.
Special Guest Co-Host (09:01):
Did you eat anything special there?
Sheila Nonato (09:05):
Anything special.
Well, it was actually mybirthday the second day of the
retreat, so I went to an icecream shop, a cafe ice cream
shop.
I had maple syrup, yeah, butthe listeners might not know.
(09:25):
So ice cream, maple syrup,maple ice cream, maple walnut, I
think ice cream.
It was very delicious, but Iwish I could have shared it with
you and it was a very big cup,so I wish I could have shared it
with you.
But anyway, it was my birthday,so I decided to treat myself.
And what else?
What was the purpose for goingthere?
(09:55):
purpose of retreat?
Um, well, for people, manydifferent reasons, but sometimes
it's just to rest and toactually.
That's a good question.
So I that's why I have my biblehere.
Uh, so one of the meditationsthat the priest preached Father
Charles Nahm was the priest whowas at the retreat, so he
actually read talked aboutElijah.
Special Guest Co-Host (10:18):
I want to eat.
Something to eat.
Sheila Nonato (10:20):
Okay, Elijah.
And after Elijah defeated theprophets, okay, Elijah.
And after Elijah defeated theprophets, the false prophets of
Baal and Jezebel wanted to, Iguess, go after him because of
what he had done.
Elijah fled and then he feltreally tired and exhausted.
(10:41):
So I'm going to read it.
But he himself went a day'sjourney into the wilderness and
came and sat down under a broomtree.
He felt really tired andexhausted, so I'm going to read
it.
And he looked and behold, therewas at his head a cake baked on
hot stones in a jar of water.
And he ate and drank and laydown again.
(11:10):
And the angel of the Lord cameagain a second time and touched
him and said Arise and eat, elsethe journey will be too great
for you.
And he arose and ate and drankand walked in the strength of
the food, the strength of thatfood, 40 days and 40 nights to
Horeb, the mountain of God.
So the mountain of God.
(11:32):
And so then he went to the caveand he was going to continue on
his mission of becoming aprophet for God, but he needed
that spiritual food.
So the spiritual food.
What other spiritual food canwe have on the journey of faith?
um the Eucharist and in the inJesus's Blood yeah, so they the
(11:58):
wine, Precious, the PreciousBlood of Jesus, and that the
wine transforms through, and theeucharist, the, the Bread of
Life, Jesus, is transformedthrough transubstantiation.
I think that's a big word, wecould talk about it another time
, but that's when the bread andthe wine become Jesus through
(12:19):
the power of God in the Mass,during the Mass.
Okay, now what else?
Special Guest Co-Host (12:25):
What did you do there at the retreat?
Sheila Nonato (12:29):
Yeah, really a lot of prayer, prayer journaling
, um, yeah, so any.
So that was the reason I readthat passage is because we need
spiritual food, right, we.
We need physical food, like thebread, but in the bible it says
man does not live by breadalone but by every word that
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comes from the mouth of God solook at Jesus when he didn't
even eat anything, but he wasstill able to be sustained for
those 40 days by the word of God.
Okay, so what else do we havehere?
Special Guest Co-Host (13:05):
was it hard at the retreat to do all
that hard and intense prayer.
Sheila Nonato (13:12):
Yeah, it was hard if you're out of shape in
prayer, which is what I was.
So prayer is also a muscle,like a spiritual muscle.
If you don't exercise it thenit's going to be hard.
But it was also good that therewas time to rest.
But it was also good that therewas time to rest.
But really, you can take thatintense prayer, that intense
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time of prayer, and how do youapply it to daily life so you
can pray?
You can pray during the day,throughout the day and the
evening, so you start off theday with prayer so that you can
offer your day to God.
So in the Bible, in exodus andold testament, um, the offering,
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the sacrifice, is veryimportant.
So that concept of sacrificeand as we see jesus on the cross
, that is the ultimate sacrifice.
So we can sacrifice many thingsin our day our little
inconveniences, our littlechallenges.
So we can.
(14:16):
You know, for moms, they canpray, offer up when they're
cleaning, cooking, doing thelaundry, changing diapers,
feeding the baby, cooking meals.
But it's very important tostart the day with prayer, to
talk to God, because God is themost important, the first
commandment.
You shall not have any othergods before me.
You have to keep out all thedistractions, and people can
make all kinds of golden capsout of things, for instance,
(14:42):
money or things related to theirjob, or material things, so we
can focus on God and then we endthe day speaking to our Lord.
Because, oh yes, I remember now.
During the retreat, the priestalso mentioned that prayer is a
conversation with God.
(15:02):
Right, and it's a relationship.
So heaven is a relationship.
It is not.
God is not.
So Jesus came to fulfill thelaw.
The Old Testament has the TenCommandments, and then Jesus
came to fulfill the law, the TenCommandments, and then the two
(15:23):
most important commandments.
Do you remember?
Special Guest Co-Host (15:27):
You should love your neighbour as
yourself what's the first one?
Sheila Nonato (15:33):
that was a point love, God is love.
God with all your heart, alltheir soul and all your might.
So in that sense, God wants toconverse with us and He loves us
very much, so He wants us to bein that relationship.
So how do we be in arelationship or a friendship?
(15:55):
If you're in a friendship, ifyou don't talk to your friend
right, then you might stop beingfriends right, and then you
won't know your friends.
So that's why we know Jesus,reading the Bible and praying,
and we become.
You know how you're training,like an athlete, if you want to
be good at something, you haveto train.
(16:16):
So if you want to run 5kilometers or 10 kilometers or
longer, you have to train littleby little every day.
It's just like that prayer.
You keep on doing little everyday.
It's just like that prayer.
You keep on doing it every dayand then you can become better
at it, meaning your communionwith God will be more intense.
(16:39):
You know how communion, or theHoly Communion Well, there's
also the communion with God inprayer.
So do you have anything else?
Special Guest Co-Host (16:48):
One more question when was the retreat?
Sheila Nonato (16:50):
The retreat was in a place called Cedarc rest
Retreat Centre and it was in thecity but outside the city, so
there was a lot of green spaceand it was very cold you told me
about Cedarc rest.
That's right.
So it's very cold but it's alsonot too far from.
(17:11):
You know, like I said, I wentout for ice cream because it was
during my birthday and I snuckout to on the Saturday and
actually it was.
It was also a very somber daybecause I got a message and I
was looking at that the Pope wasnot doing well.
The Holy Father.
So we should offer a prayer forthe Holy Father, think of him
(17:32):
during this Holy Week that hemay continue to improve.
God will protect him.
And we know that during thisHoly Week we are looking at
Christ's suffering and we lookinto the Holy Father and pray
(17:55):
for him because his health, youknow, it's not easy.
It's not been easy for him,it's been challenging, and so we
can also look at our ownchallenges in life and we can
pray for others who are alsosuffering.
But we know that the sufferinghas, you know, redemptive
suffering.
The suffering suffering has apurpose.
Like Jesus suffered on thecross and he resurrected because
he redeemed us, because Adamand Eve, our first parents,
after the fall in the gardenwhen they disobeyed God, god
(18:19):
closed the gates of heaven, butGod promised that there will be
a Messiah coming through theproto-evangelium, which is when
he said that a woman will comeand crush your head right to the
serpent, and that woman wasMother Mary.
So we, the New Testament, wasgoing to fulfill the old through
(18:41):
Jesus and also the cooperationof Our Lady but he also said
that you will fight heroffspring's heel right, yes, yes
.
So she will defeat the serpent,the enemy, because of what he
had done but what's the?
Special Guest Co-Host (19:02):
what does it mean by biting?
Sheila Nonato (19:05):
well, just to crush the head of the serpent,
just like in the painting bitingand hurting.
Well, just to crush the head ofthe serpent, just like in the
painting Heal.
Yeah.
Well, I think that just meansthat good will prevail.
God will prevail.
Although on earth we suffer,god allows the suffering.
But there is not just this life, there is the next life, and in
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the next life, when we get toheaven, we will suffer no more.
Special Guest Co-Host (19:30):
But why didn he crush the head of the
serpent?
Sheila Nonato (19:33):
Yeah, because the serpent deceived us, deceived
Adam and Eve, so that we mightnot have gotten to Heaven,
because God closed the gates.
But the Messiah came and openedit for us when he offered
himself the ultimate sacrificeto redeem our sins.
Special Guest Co-Host (19:53):
Okay, that's all my questions, that's
all your questions, okay.
Sheila Nonato (19:56):
Well, what can we do for Holy Week today and how
can we bring the retreat, thespirit of retreat?
Well, first of all, we couldhave you know how do you retreat
from the modern world?
Maybe you can have a home altar, maybe we can show our home
altar.
You know, one of the things ithas is a crucifix.
Another thing it has is acandle to remind us of the light
(20:20):
of Christ, and that candle isactually from our wedding, daddy
and my wedding, our weddingfrom 14 and a half years ago
wedding, um our wedding from 14and a half years ago and it has
two weddings.
Um, I mean, two candles oneither.
Yeah, so you only need one, orhow many if you don't even need
it, if you don't want it,because you know candles are
(20:40):
dangerous, but we actually don'tlike that, we just leave it
there.
There's also a statue of OurLady of terTorreciudad, which
Daddy had carried before he metme, long before he met me when
he walked the Camino.
So he had it in his backpackand it was going to be a gift
for his future wife.
It's cool.
So we have that there.
(21:01):
Our Lady is carrying baby Jesus, so they're always together,
always, because that is thestory of salvation.
Special Guest Co-Host (21:10):
Right now ?
Do we have it in a safe fromsomewhere?
I don't know.
Sheila Nonato (21:18):
And you can also have a flower.
So what my husband was sayingwas when he was little, his
family would buy one rose everySaturday to offer to Our Lady,
because Saturday is Our Lady'sSaturday and we can also offer a
bouquet of roses through therosary.
So this home altar you can haveit where everyone can see it
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and you can sit down and you canalso pray together and read the
Bible, and it's a time whereyou can be quiet.
If you don't have a space or ifyou prefer a closet, a prayer
closet, you can also just dothat.
And you don't, maybe you canjust put up a picture of Jesus
(22:01):
or you don't have to putanything.
You can just go in there andretreat.
Basically, that's what retreatis.
Yeah.
Special Guest Co-Host (22:07):
And we also have a statue of St Joseph
holding Jesus.
Sheila Nonato (22:12):
Yeah, you can also have a statue of St Joseph
holding Jesus.
Yeah, you can also have astatue of St Joseph, but
anything else, no, that was myfavorite.
And you love the Bible, so youlove to read the Bible.
Right, I love to read the Bible.
You know a lot of stories.
Do you have a favorite story?
Okay, what's your favoritestory in the Bible?
Special Guest Co-Host (22:34):
Well, it's really stories.
My favourite stories in theBible are the parables of Jesus.
Sheila Nonato (22:42):
Okay, do you have a favourite parable?
My?
Special Guest Co-Host (22:46):
favourite parable is the parable of the
sower.
Sheila Nonato (22:53):
Okay, what is that about?
Special Guest Co-Host (22:55):
It's about this person who is doing a
harvest and then an enemy comesin the night and plants some
weeds that look like the wheatand his servant.
When they find out about that,his servants asked him what to
do with that.
Should we pull out the weeds?
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And then the master said no,because you might accidentally
pull some of the wheat alongwith the weeds.
So the weeds grew with thewheat until they're ready for
cutting down.
They took all the wheat andthen the weeds and they tied the
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wheat into and put it in thebarn.
And what they did with theweeds?
They tied it up and threw it inthe fire.
Sheila Nonato (23:52):
Okay, and what do you think that means?
Special Guest Co-Host (23:55):
the fire, I think.
Is it the fire?
I think is ", which means hell,in in the barn is heaven okay,
okay.
Sheila Nonato (24:08):
So I guess that's a Judgment Day.
That's the second coming whenGod will make judgment, as the
name says.
But yeah, we can maybe doanother episode on that too.
But what did you want to say,James?
On Holy Week we're going to goto the Easter Vigil.
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Do you like the candles?
Do you like the candles?
Special Guest Co-Host (24:32):
I can say that what is candles?
I can say that what is it?
Sheila Nonato (24:35):
I can say it, oh okay, what else are you going to
say?
Special Guest Co-Host (24:39):
And also when you go to the Easter vigil,
you'll see Jesus.
Sheila Nonato (24:46):
That's right, that's right, you do see Jesus.
So every Mass, at every Mass,see Jesus, because the bread
becomes the body of Jesus andthe blood becomes the wine,
becomes the Precious Blood ofJesus.
So if you'd like to see Jesus,even outside of Easter, uh, or
the Holy Week, you can go to achurch and sit there and pray,
or you can in front of theBlessed Sacrament, or you can go
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to Mass, and you can go to Massevery day if you want.
So anyway, yeah, I would liketo just encourage you.
Special Guest Co-Host (25:19):
And every day you don't see Jesus, but
He's there, right.
Sheila Nonato (25:25):
He is there.
He is always there, especiallyin your heart, especially when
you are suffering.
Special Guest Co-Host (25:31):
He is there everywhere that's right,
He is.
Sheila Nonato (25:35):
You know, when we suffer, Hello Sisters in Christ
.
Thank you for joining us and Ijust wanted to apologize because
during the recording we had aconversation and unfortunately
the recording stopped.
So, as you heard, we weretalking about suffering and I
just wanted to conclude bysaying, as we have seen with the
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Holy Father, he was sufferingbecause of his illness, but he
went right until the end.
On Easter Sunday, he wasgreeting fellow Catholics at St.
Peter's Square and giving themthat hope and sharing that love
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of Christ and the joy of Christto others, and people thought
there wasn't anything wrong.
But he was probably suffering,but through the grace of God.
Suffering but through the graceof God, through the strength
that he has found in Jesus, inhis faith.
He mustered the strength andthe courage to be with us, to
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send a message of theresurrection to us, to each and
every one of us and to all thosewho were at St Peter's Square
to be able to have seen him.
And he brought that lasting joyto show us that He is indeed
risen.
And it was with great sadnessthat we all learned on Easter
(27:02):
Monday that he had passed away.
And some might say how?
Why did that happen?
Because he was fine and all ofa sudden.
Why did that happen?
Because he was fine and all ofa sudden he's home with the
Father, and I guess that reallyencapsulates, summarizes the
Easter message is that the dyingof self and the sacrifice, the
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suffering and the sacrifice,united with the Passion of our
Lord, Jesus Christ, for agreater purpose, for a greater
purpose, for a greater purposeand out of love, that in the
next life we will be with theFather.
And the message that the HolyFather was trying to teach us
was that after death there isstill life, that there is still
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the resurrection that Jesus hadpromised.
And may we all live in thatspirit of the resurrected Lord,
that when we do carry our owncrosses, may we be able to turn
to him and to say that we canalso carry our own crosses, no
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matter how big or how small,because Jesus taught us how to
do it and we also saw PopeFrancis carry that cross in that
living example.
And I wish you a blessed weekas we continue the Easter season
and again, from my family, weoffer our sincerest thanks and
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we will pray for each and everyone of you.
Please pray for our podcast,apostolate.
And on the theme of retreat, Iwould like to invite you to an
online prayer retreat with theHosanna app, and I will put the
link in the show notes.
It's a free retreat, it's aHozana is a free app, a prayer
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app that connects Catholics fromaround the world praying the
rosary or praying certainnovenas or, in this case, it's a
retreat for Mother's Day, and Ihighly encourage you.
Please join me and you can dothe retreat on your own.
I've already written thereflections in the prayers and
you can read them or listen tothem on your own time.
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Again, I will link it in theshow notes and I hope you do
join me.
Let's all pray together, let'slift each other up in prayer and
let's pray for all the motherswho feel isolated.
May we all join a community ofprayer, no matter where we are.
Thank you again, and God bless!Thank you for listening to the
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Veil and Armour podcast.
Special Guest Co-Host (29:53):
I invite you to share this with another
Catholic mom today.
Please subscribe to our podcastand YouTube channel and please
spread the word.
Let's Be Brave, let's Be Boldand Be Blessed together.
Happy Easter, Sisters in Christ, to you and
your families.
My family and I thank each andevery one of you for helping us
to get to one year of podcasting.
It's all thanks be to God,thanks to you! Thank you for all
the guests who said yes toshare their inspiring story!
This week it's a conversationwith my children and
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unfortunately, it's a little bitlate because we didn't discuss
Holy Week but Easter and all ofthe habits that we have
developed during Lent.
We can definitely continue pastHoly Week and Easter to bring
that peace and that joy ofChrist in our homes every day.
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During the chat with mychildren, we talked about the
retreat.
I went on and it's really verypractical to go on retreat
because it helps you torejuvenate your spirit and your
soul.
It's very good for your souland for your body as well and
for your mind to retreat fromthe world, and you can adopt
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these practices, this mentalityof retreating with the lord,
resting in the lord, and we'regoing to discuss that today and
please join me in a prayer forpope francis and the repose of
his soul and for the cardinalswho will choose the next pope,
in the name of the father andthe repose of his soul and for
the cardinals who will choosethe next pope.
In the name of the Father and ofthe Son and of the Holy Spirit,
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amen, Heavenly Father, we prayfor the repose of the soul of
Pope Francis.
May he meet his Heavenly rewardin the embrace of Our Lady and
in your Holy presence.
We pray for the cardinals whowill be selecting the new pope.
May the Holy Spirit guide themin choosing the next leader of
your Holy Catholic Church.
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In Jesus' name, we pray, Amen.
In the name of the Father andof the Son and of the Holy
Spirit, amen.
Hello and welcome to the Veiland Armour podcast.
This is your host, Sheila Nonato
Special Guest Co-Host (02:27):
where stories come alive through a
journalist's lens and mother'sheart.
Sheila Nonato (02:31):
Hello and Welcome to the Veil and Armour podcast,
and I'm joined by my children,who are an integral part of the
podcast, and my husband's nothere, but he is also, and so is
my other daughter.
Let's start with a prayer.
Special Guest Co-Host (02:45):
In the name of the Father and of the,
the Holy Spirit, amen.
Hail Mary, full of grace.
The Lord is with you.
Blessed art thou amongst womenblessed is the fruit of
Sheila Nonato (02:53):
of your womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, prayfor us sinners, now that you are
for death, Amen.
In the Father and the Son ofthe Holy Spirit and the Son and
the Holy Spirit, Amen.
He made a computer.
He made a computer.
Did you want to sing a song?
Special Guest Co-Host (03:07):
Happy birthday Mom's podcast.
Happy birthday, mom's podcast.
Happy birthday to Mom's podcast.
Happy birthday to Mom's podcast.
Happy birthday to Mom's podcast.
Happy birthday to Mom's Podcast.
Sheila Nonato (03:27):
Thank you very much and, yes, you're right
Around this time.
Easter time is when we startedthe podcast, the podcast
Apostolate, and we are verygrateful for all of the
listeners and all of the guestswho have come and shared their
powerful story of faith and yourtips on how to achieve holiness
in your daily life.
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So, in terms of holiness, weare going to look at Holy Week
and it's not too late.
If you, like me, have been alittle bit lax on our Holy Week
aspirations in terms of prayer,almsgiving and fasting.
So we're going to talk aboutretreat and how that will apply
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to holy week and, in particular,the triduum, which is okay,
hold on.
Holy thursday, good friday andeaster vigil, no Saturday Okay,
hold on.
And then we have Easter.
So Raphael is going to ask meabout the.
So let's listen to about theretreat.
(04:31):
Okay, let's listen to.
About the retreat.
Okay, you want to ask mesomething.
Who was the leader at theretreat, the retreat?
Her name was Miss Innes.
You have your book of questions.
Who is there?
It's a group of women.
I forget how many, is it, maybe50 or so women, or 51, I'm not
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sure.
But yeah, let's listen.
Okay, women, mothers, mostlymothers who need time to
recharge and it's because, okay,let's listen, james, and what
was your question the other day?
Special Guest Co-Host (05:11):
How can you be a good mom when you're
tired?
Sheila Nonato (05:15):
Well, sometimes being tired just means you need
more rest.
You may need to take a break,and sometimes moms and dads need
to go on a retreat to rechargethemselves physically and
spiritually.
So that's what I did for threedays.
And who else do we know went ona retreat?
(05:37):
In the Bible, jesus, forexample.
What did he do?
Special Guest Co-Host (05:42):
He fasted on bread and water for 40 days.
Okay, and why did he do that?
Sorry, why did he do?
He fasted on bread and waterfor 40 days.
Sheila Nonato (05:46):
And why did he do that?
Sorry, why did he do that?
I don't really know.
Well, he was going to preparehimself because he knew it was
coming the passion.
He knew that he was going to beenduring suffering and he
needed to have that spiritualfood in order to carry that
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cross for us.
Special Guest Co-Host (06:13):
Wow.
Sheila Nonato (06:14):
Okay, James, can you please listen?
Special Guest Co-Host (06:16):
I'm listening, wow, yeah, on to the
next question.
Okay, yeah, okay.
Did you make any friends there?
Sheila Nonato (06:23):
Yeah, so it was a silent retreat, so you were
supposed to keep silence, likeJames.
No silence, right, keep silence.
So whenever you were eating, wewould listen to a podcast about
faith and then we would bepraying a lot, so praying
throughout the whole day, andthen listening to meditation by
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the priest or by the retreatleader and then, like I said,
during meals we would be insilence.
So at the end of the retreat,when james at the end of the
retreat.
that's when we could talk, so.
And I actually met somebody whowas at our wedding, a family
friend of your dad, and Ireconnected with her and it was
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nice to meet her.
And I also met somebody fromBuffalo, new York, who is
friends with a couple of oldfriends from Buffalo also that
we haven't seen in more than 10years, so it was nice to to meet
her cool so I know james isvery excited.
(07:32):
That's why he's uh, you can hearhim talking and excitedly
showing how, uh, how, um happyhe is to be on the podcast.
Okay, so what's your nextquestion?
What did you eat there at theretreat?
Yeah, just, you know, fish.
Fish on Fridays because it'sLent.
And what else did we Actually?
(07:55):
No, it was before Lent, butFish Fridays is traditionally
what Catholics do, christians doyeah, just nourishing food.
And what was great about it ismoms take a break from the
cooking and the washing so wecan concentrate more on prayer.
So we, we pray throughout thewhole day.
We go, we get up meditation at8 a.
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m.
, mass I think it is 8 (08:17):
30 or 8:45a.
m.
And then we have breakfast andthen we hear a talk and then
another meditation Time forconfession Time outside.
In the afternoon you can rest,you can read, and then we go to
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dinner.
Actually, no, there'sBenediction, Adoration,
Eucharistic Adoration andBenediction.
So you spend a lot of time withour Lord, and then dinner and
then another meditation and thena little bit of a snack before
bedtime.
But you don't have to go tothat one.
If you don't want to, then youjust go to sleep and then you do
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it again.
Special Guest Co-Host (09:01):
Did you eat anything special there?
Sheila Nonato (09:05):
Anything special.
Well, it was actually mybirthday the second day of the
retreat, so I went to an icecream shop, a cafe ice cream
shop.
I had maple syrup, yeah, butthe listeners might not know.
(09:25):
So ice cream, maple syrup,maple ice cream, maple walnut, I
think ice cream.
It was very delicious, but Iwish I could have shared it with
you and it was a very big cup,so I wish I could have shared it
with you.
But anyway, it was my birthday,so I decided to treat myself.
And what else?
What was the purpose for goingthere?
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purpose of retreat?
Um, well, for people, manydifferent reasons, but sometimes
it's just to rest and toactually.
That's a good question.
So I that's why I have my biblehere.
Uh, so one of the meditationsthat the priest preached Father
Charles Nahm was the priest whowas at the retreat, so he
actually read talked aboutElijah.
Special Guest Co-Host (10:18):
I want to eat.
Something to eat.
Sheila Nonato (10:20):
Okay, Elijah.
And after Elijah defeated theprophets, okay, Elijah.
And after Elijah defeated theprophets, the false prophets of
Baal and Jezebel wanted to, Iguess, go after him because of
what he had done.
Elijah fled and then he feltreally tired and exhausted.
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So I'm going to read it.
But he himself went a day'sjourney into the wilderness and
came and sat down under a broomtree.
He felt really tired andexhausted, so I'm going to read
it.
And he looked and behold, therewas at his head a cake baked on
hot stones in a jar of water.
And he ate and drank and laydown again.
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And the angel of the Lord cameagain a second time and touched
him and said Arise and eat, elsethe journey will be too great
for you.
And he arose and ate and drankand walked in the strength of
the food, the strength of thatfood, 40 days and 40 nights to
Horeb, the mountain of God.
So the mountain of God.
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And so then he went to the caveand he was going to continue on
his mission of becoming aprophet for God, but he needed
that spiritual food.
So the spiritual food.
What other spiritual food canwe have on the journey of faith?
um the Eucharist and in the inJesus's Blood yeah, so they the
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wine, Precious, the PreciousBlood of Jesus, and that the
wine transforms through, and theeucharist, the, the Bread of
Life, Jesus, is transformedthrough transubstantiation.
I think that's a big word, wecould talk about it another time
, but that's when the bread andthe wine become Jesus through
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the power of God in the Mass,during the Mass.
Okay, now what else?
Special Guest Co-Host (12:25):
What did you do there at the retreat?
Sheila Nonato (12:29):
Yeah, really a lot of prayer, prayer journaling
, um, yeah, so any.
So that was the reason I readthat passage is because we need
spiritual food, right, we.
We need physical food, like thebread, but in the bible it says
man does not live by breadalone but by every word that
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comes from the mouth of God solook at Jesus when he didn't
even eat anything, but he wasstill able to be sustained for
those 40 days by the word of God.
Okay, so what else do we havehere?
Special Guest Co-Host (13:05):
was it hard at the retreat to do all
that hard and intense prayer.
Sheila Nonato (13:12):
Yeah, it was hard if you're out of shape in
prayer, which is what I was.
So prayer is also a muscle,like a spiritual muscle.
If you don't exercise it thenit's going to be hard.
But it was also good that therewas time to rest.
But it was also good that therewas time to rest.
But really, you can take thatintense prayer, that intense
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time of prayer, and how do youapply it to daily life so you
can pray?
You can pray during the day,throughout the day and the
evening, so you start off theday with prayer so that you can
offer your day to God.
So in the Bible, in exodus andold testament, um, the offering,
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the sacrifice, is veryimportant.
So that concept of sacrificeand as we see jesus on the cross
, that is the ultimate sacrifice.
So we can sacrifice many thingsin our day our little
inconveniences, our littlechallenges.
So we can.
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You know, for moms, they canpray, offer up when they're
cleaning, cooking, doing thelaundry, changing diapers,
feeding the baby, cooking meals.
But it's very important tostart the day with prayer, to
talk to God, because God is themost important, the first
commandment.
You shall not have any othergods before me.
You have to keep out all thedistractions, and people can
make all kinds of golden capsout of things, for instance,
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money or things related to theirjob, or material things, so we
can focus on God and then we endthe day speaking to our Lord.
Because, oh yes, I remember now.
During the retreat, the priestalso mentioned that prayer is a
conversation with God.
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Right, and it's a relationship.
So heaven is a relationship.
It is not.
God is not.
So Jesus came to fulfill thelaw.
The Old Testament has the TenCommandments, and then Jesus
came to fulfill the law, the TenCommandments, and then the two
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most important commandments.
Do you remember?
Special Guest Co-Host (15:27):
You should love your neighbour as
yourself what's the first one?
Sheila Nonato (15:33):
that was a point love, God is love.
God with all your heart, alltheir soul and all your might.
So in that sense, God wants toconverse with us and He loves us
very much, so He wants us to bein that relationship.
So how do we be in arelationship or a friendship?
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If you're in a friendship, ifyou don't talk to your friend
right, then you might stop beingfriends right, and then you
won't know your friends.
So that's why we know Jesus,reading the Bible and praying,
and we become.
You know how you're training,like an athlete, if you want to
be good at something, you haveto train.
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So if you want to run 5kilometers or 10 kilometers or
longer, you have to train littleby little every day.
It's just like that prayer.
You keep on doing little everyday.
It's just like that prayer.
You keep on doing it every dayand then you can become better
at it, meaning your communionwith God will be more intense.
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You know how communion, or theHoly Communion Well, there's
also the communion with God inprayer.
So do you have anything else?
Special Guest Co-Host (16:48):
One more question when was the retreat?
Sheila Nonato (16:50):
The retreat was in a place called Cedarc rest
Retreat Centre and it was in thecity but outside the city, so
there was a lot of green spaceand it was very cold you told me
about Cedarc rest.
That's right.
So it's very cold but it's alsonot too far from.
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You know, like I said, I wentout for ice cream because it was
during my birthday and I snuckout to on the Saturday and
actually it was.
It was also a very somber daybecause I got a message and I
was looking at that the Pope wasnot doing well.
The Holy Father.
So we should offer a prayer forthe Holy Father, think of him
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during this Holy Week that hemay continue to improve.
God will protect him.
And we know that during thisHoly Week we are looking at
Christ's suffering and we lookinto the Holy Father and pray
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for him because his health, youknow, it's not easy.
It's not been easy for him,it's been challenging, and so we
can also look at our ownchallenges in life and we can
pray for others who are alsosuffering.
But we know that the sufferinghas, you know, redemptive
suffering.
The suffering suffering has apurpose.
Like Jesus suffered on thecross and he resurrected because
he redeemed us, because Adamand Eve, our first parents,
after the fall in the gardenwhen they disobeyed God, god
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closed the gates of heaven, butGod promised that there will be
a Messiah coming through theproto-evangelium, which is when
he said that a woman will comeand crush your head right to the
serpent, and that woman wasMother Mary.
So we, the New Testament, wasgoing to fulfill the old through
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Jesus and also the cooperationof Our Lady but he also said
that you will fight heroffspring's heel right, yes, yes
.
So she will defeat the serpent,the enemy, because of what he
had done but what's the?
Special Guest Co-Host (19:02):
what does it mean by biting?
Sheila Nonato (19:05):
well, just to crush the head of the serpent,
just like in the painting bitingand hurting.
Well, just to crush the head ofthe serpent, just like in the
painting Heal.
Yeah.
Well, I think that just meansthat good will prevail.
God will prevail.
Although on earth we suffer,god allows the suffering.
But there is not just this life, there is the next life, and in
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the next life, when we get toheaven, we will suffer no more.
Special Guest Co-Host (19:30):
But why didn he crush the head of the
serpent?
Sheila Nonato (19:33):
Yeah, because the serpent deceived us, deceived
Adam and Eve, so that we mightnot have gotten to Heaven,
because God closed the gates.
But the Messiah came and openedit for us when he offered
himself the ultimate sacrificeto redeem our sins.
Special Guest Co-Host (19:53):
Okay, that's all my questions, that's
all your questions, okay.
Sheila Nonato (19:56):
Well, what can we do for Holy Week today and how
can we bring the retreat, thespirit of retreat?
Well, first of all, we couldhave you know how do you retreat
from the modern world?
Maybe you can have a home altar, maybe we can show our home
altar.
You know, one of the things ithas is a crucifix.
Another thing it has is acandle to remind us of the light
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of Christ, and that candle isactually from our wedding, daddy
and my wedding, our weddingfrom 14 and a half years ago
wedding, um our wedding from 14and a half years ago and it has
two weddings.
Um, I mean, two candles oneither.
Yeah, so you only need one, orhow many if you don't even need
it, if you don't want it,because you know candles are
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dangerous, but we actually don'tlike that, we just leave it
there.
There's also a statue of OurLady of terTorreciudad, which
Daddy had carried before he metme, long before he met me when
he walked the Camino.
So he had it in his backpackand it was going to be a gift
for his future wife.
It's cool.
So we have that there.
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Our Lady is carrying baby Jesus, so they're always together,
always, because that is thestory of salvation.
Special Guest Co-Host (21:10):
Right now ?
Do we have it in a safe fromsomewhere?
I don't know.
Sheila Nonato (21:18):
And you can also have a flower.
So what my husband was sayingwas when he was little, his
family would buy one rose everySaturday to offer to Our Lady,
because Saturday is Our Lady'sSaturday and we can also offer a
bouquet of roses through therosary.
So this home altar you can haveit where everyone can see it
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and you can sit down and you canalso pray together and read the
Bible, and it's a time whereyou can be quiet.
If you don't have a space or ifyou prefer a closet, a prayer
closet, you can also just dothat.
And you don't, maybe you canjust put up a picture of Jesus
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or you don't have to putanything.
You can just go in there andretreat.
Basically, that's what retreatis.
Yeah.
Special Guest Co-Host (22:07):
And we also have a statue of St Joseph
holding Jesus.
Sheila Nonato (22:12):
Yeah, you can also have a statue of St Joseph
holding Jesus.
Yeah, you can also have astatue of St Joseph, but
anything else, no, that was myfavorite.
And you love the Bible, so youlove to read the Bible.
Right, I love to read the Bible.
You know a lot of stories.
Do you have a favorite story?
Okay, what's your favoritestory in the Bible?
Special Guest Co-Host (22:34):
Well, it's really stories.
My favourite stories in theBible are the parables of Jesus.
Sheila Nonato (22:42):
Okay, do you have a favourite parable?
My?
Special Guest Co-Host (22:46):
favourite parable is the parable of the
sower.
Sheila Nonato (22:53):
Okay, what is that about?
Special Guest Co-Host (22:55):
It's about this person who is doing a
harvest and then an enemy comesin the night and plants some
weeds that look like the wheatand his servant.
When they find out about that,his servants asked him what to
do with that.
Should we pull out the weeds?
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And then the master said no,because you might accidentally
pull some of the wheat alongwith the weeds.
So the weeds grew with thewheat until they're ready for
cutting down.
They took all the wheat andthen the weeds and they tied the
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wheat into and put it in thebarn.
And what they did with theweeds?
They tied it up and threw it inthe fire.
Sheila Nonato (23:52):
Okay, and what do you think that means?
Special Guest Co-Host (23:55):
the fire, I think.
Is it the fire?
I think is ", which means hell,in in the barn is heaven okay,
okay.
Sheila Nonato (24:08):
So I guess that's a Judgment Day.
That's the second coming whenGod will make judgment, as the
name says.
But yeah, we can maybe doanother episode on that too.
But what did you want to say,James?
On Holy Week we're going to goto the Easter Vigil.
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Do you like the candles?
Do you like the candles?
Special Guest Co-Host (24:32):
I can say that what is candles?
I can say that what is it?
Sheila Nonato (24:35):
I can say it, oh okay, what else are you going to
say?
Special Guest Co-Host (24:39):
And also when you go to the Easter vigil,
you'll see Jesus.
Sheila Nonato (24:46):
That's right, that's right, you do see Jesus.
So every Mass, at every Mass,see Jesus, because the bread
becomes the body of Jesus andthe blood becomes the wine,
becomes the Precious Blood ofJesus.
So if you'd like to see Jesus,even outside of Easter, uh, or
the Holy Week, you can go to achurch and sit there and pray,
or you can in front of theBlessed Sacrament, or you can go
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to Mass, and you can go to Massevery day if you want.
So anyway, yeah, I would liketo just encourage you.
Special Guest Co-Host (25:19):
And every day you don't see Jesus, but
He's there, right.
Sheila Nonato (25:25):
He is there.
He is always there, especiallyin your heart, especially when
you are suffering.
Special Guest Co-Host (25:31):
He is there everywhere that's right,
He is.
Sheila Nonato (25:35):
You know, when we suffer, Hello Sisters in Christ
.
Thank you for joining us and Ijust wanted to apologize because
during the recording we had aconversation and unfortunately
the recording stopped.
So, as you heard, we weretalking about suffering and I
just wanted to conclude bysaying, as we have seen with the
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Holy Father, he was sufferingbecause of his illness, but he
went right until the end.
On Easter Sunday, he wasgreeting fellow Catholics at St.
Peter's Square and giving themthat hope and sharing that love
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of Christ and the joy of Christto others, and people thought
there wasn't anything wrong.
But he was probably suffering,but through the grace of God.
Suffering but through the graceof God, through the strength
that he has found in Jesus, inhis faith.
He mustered the strength andthe courage to be with us, to
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send a message of theresurrection to us, to each and
every one of us and to all thosewho were at St Peter's Square
to be able to have seen him.
And he brought that lasting joyto show us that He is indeed
risen.
And it was with great sadnessthat we all learned on Easter
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Monday that he had passed away.
And some might say how?
Why did that happen?
Because he was fine and all ofa sudden.
Why did that happen?
Because he was fine and all ofa sudden he's home with the
Father, and I guess that reallyencapsulates, summarizes the
Easter message is that the dyingof self and the sacrifice, the
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suffering and the sacrifice,united with the Passion of our
Lord, Jesus Christ, for agreater purpose, for a greater
purpose, for a greater purposeand out of love, that in the
next life we will be with theFather.
And the message that the HolyFather was trying to teach us
was that after death there isstill life, that there is still
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the resurrection that Jesus hadpromised.
And may we all live in thatspirit of the resurrected Lord,
that when we do carry our owncrosses, may we be able to turn
to him and to say that we canalso carry our own crosses, no
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matter how big or how small,because Jesus taught us how to
do it and we also saw PopeFrancis carry that cross in that
living example.
And I wish you a blessed weekas we continue the Easter season
and again, from my family, weoffer our sincerest thanks and
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we will pray for each and everyone of you.
Please pray for our podcast,apostolate.
And on the theme of retreat, Iwould like to invite you to an
online prayer retreat with theHosanna app, and I will put the
link in the show notes.
It's a free retreat, it's aHozana is a free app, a prayer
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app that connects Catholics fromaround the world praying the
rosary or praying certainnovenas or, in this case, it's a
retreat for Mother's Day, and Ihighly encourage you.
Please join me and you can dothe retreat on your own.
I've already written thereflections in the prayers and
you can read them or listen tothem on your own time.
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Again, I will link it in theshow notes and I hope you do
join me.
Let's all pray together, let'slift each other up in prayer and
let's pray for all the motherswho feel isolated.
May we all join a community ofprayer, no matter where we are.
Thank you again, and God bless!Thank you for listening to the
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