Cady Ternity - Sara, Ben and James Griffin

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What's New 802? I'm BeccaHammond and you're
listening to VermontTalks. Vermont Talks may
include graphic orexplicit content.
Listener discretion isadvised. Today is
Saturday the 11th ofOctober in 2025 and I am at
Big Heavy World studiowith Katie Ternity Band.
Katie Ternity is foundedby Mary Cupple, Ben Burr

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and Sarah Primo. Get thatright? That's us. Good.
Okay. And includes JamesGriffin now on drums.
That's me. And do you guysboth play and sing? Sarah
is the lead singer. Okay.
Yeah. I try to change that.
I try to get more both of ushappening. She's very
resistant. She's like indenial that she's the lead

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singer. Yeah. And do youplay guitar or two? Who
plays guitar? I alwaysswitch back and forth.
Okay. Guitar and bass andkeys. Cool. Yes. I was
going to say it sounds likethere's a lot going on
sonically in your band. Solet's talk about that a
little bit. So let me getthe sophomore.

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Sophomoric. Yeah. I don'tthink I've ever seen that
word in my life.
Sophomoric album on and onand on and on. Really last
October was called one ofthe best Vermont records
of the year by Seven Days.
And you guys are working onbringing live music to
your hometown inNorthfield, Vermont. And
that is the Woods Lodgewhere you're going to be

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playing music. Correct.
Okay. All right. So let'stalk about your sound and
your albums. And you have alot of different
releases. How many arefull albums? How many are
singles? And let's talk.
We have two full lengthalbums. The first album
had two singles. Thesecond album had three
singles. Three singles.
Yeah. But we were sort ofreleasing them as singles

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and then we realized threesingles and like, oh,
actually we have a wholealbum here. Yeah. So we
sort of put it on the backburner and waited to
release that. Oh yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. And then wealso have an EP, which is a
collaboration with ourfriend, OJ Mountain from
New York. Cool. Very cool.
And our Christmas song aswell. And our Christmas
song. Yes. The Christmassong, which came out also

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last year. Right? Yes.
Very cool. Not as muchcritical of clay. The
Christmas market is acutthroat market. It sure
is. I'm trying to break inthough. That was a cool
song, though. I did checkthat one out. Thanks. So
more about your sound.
Okay. Wait one second.

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Because you said, I didn'trealize that James is new
to the band-ish. When didJames join the band? It not
necessarily new, but so wehad, we were the Ben Burr
band before we were KatieTernandes. We were joined
by some other people andthen I guess you guys
wanted to- Actually,before that, they both

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played in dueling coverbands in high school. So
they go back. They go awayback. Yes, we did. But yes,
Ben Burr and the blanks,whatever, Ben Burr and the
Booger Bears, Ben Burr andthe Milfs. A couple of
different. 2022probably. Something like
that. 2021's new, yeah.
Then like January 2023. Wekind of didn't play for a

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month or whatever. Yeah.
And then Ben was like, hey,you want to record drums
for this new thing we'redoing. And I was like,
yeah, sure. Cool. Sarahand I wrote the first
album, The New Direction.
We quit our jobs inDecember of 2022, I think.
And we're just kind of likelost figuring out what we

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were going to do next. Andwe're like, well, let's
just like make some musicand see if that's any fun.
And then like a week later,we had written a whole
album. Nice. Cool. So wecalled Griffin to come
play the drums. And werecorded it on a tape
recorder and it didn't goas well as we would hope. It
was before I got the Tascamtape recorder. So we were

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recording onto a Marantzactual cassette player.
Oh, yeah. Great. And so thespeed wasn't as locked in.
So it was very wavy. So wewent to record the tape
back into Logic with allthe drums on it. And it was
just changing temposconstantly. So we chopped
it up and did what we could.
Yeah. I love analogrecording. It's its own

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set of issues, though.
Yeah. Yeah. That's cool,though, that you tried to
do that. We tried. It wasgiving our best shot. It
was really going to be sucha vibe. And then it was,
well, it wasn't even likewe wanted to do it that way.
I just had this SoundcraftMulti-Track 24 board. And
it's what I'd been using asan interface for a really

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long time. But it was one ofthe old models where this
capacitor would blow andyou wouldn't be able to use
it as an interfaceanymore. Oh, yeah. But it
still functioned as a 24channel board. So we were
trying to figure out how touse all of those inputs and
all of the drum mics that wehad while only being able
to record in stereo. Andfor some reason I wasn't

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thinking properly. And Iwas like, oh, well, we'll
go on to tape and then we'llrecord the tape into the
two track interface. And Iwas like, wait, I could
have just put the stereoout from the board into the
interface. Do you have anyidea? Rookie mistake. Any
idea what they're talkingabout? Yeah. I was there. I
was part of the problem.
I'm on an island over here.
I'm the guy. I'm the dummy.

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I'm the chump. You'll soonlearn. We're actually
making fun of you rightnow. Oh, man. It takes some
real effort and I have toapplaud your attempts
with anything. Cosette issuch a pain. I tried to make
a cassette doopingbusiness. My God. Those

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machines are so old now andthey literally cannot
make stereo headsanymore. There's not a
single factory on theplanet making stereo
heads. We ran into a verysimilar issue. We brought
we bought three tapedooping machines and we
got them and we're like,oh, none of these work. We
know what started tapelabel. Who did you buy them
from? Craigslist. Someguy at a parking lot. Oh,

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shit. They're probablymine. They're probably
the ones that I gutted. Iknew two of them didn't
work and I told him that.
Were they for like audiobook, like mono, like low
fidelity sort of? I'm notsure what it was. I hope
not. Well, I have to show mepictures because I feel

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that. Small heavy world. Igave them like the
diagrams. I'd reverseengineered the circuit
board and replaced all thecapacitors because they
all die after about 25years. Like they just are
not good anymore, even ifthey kind of work. Anyway,
yeah, you'll have to showme pictures because I
wanted to make a cassettelike dooping, you know,

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like a label. Oh my God,though. I so quickly got
very discouraged by theentire format that is
cassette. You know what?
Not this. This is not thejam. I think we all go
through it though becauseyou see it and you're like,
this would be such anaffordable way to get
music to people. And thenyou actually get your

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hands on it and it's like,oh, this is why this isn't a
popular thing. Yeah, no,there's a reason that they
don't make those thingsanymore and they're just,
they're not as good. Idon't know. Vinyl has its
own set of problems, but Ifeel like it's still kind
of fun to play with vinyl.
Playing with cassettes isnot fun. So quickly, I'm
like, this is not like thisis not what I thought it was
going to be. Okay, anyhoo,let us talk more about your

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band and you have anupcoming music video.
Want to talk about that andwhere you're doing it, who
you're doing it with.
Sure. So our originalintention was to sort of
have this upcomingHalloween party, which
I'm sure we'll talk aboutin a little bit, be a music
video release party aswell. But we've been

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working on this single.
It's called thecomplicated type. We
wrote it last October,September. It's been
quite a while that we'vebeen working on this one
single because after wegot the last album on and on
and on out, we decided wewanted to really focus in
on one smaller project andreally see it through all
the way. And part of that ishaving a music video for

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it. And we have this reallyfun sort of horror music
video planned with ourbuddies, Xavier
Henderson, is the leadactor in it and this really
fun, spooky story that'sgoing to be told. And we're
maybe about a third of theway into the production of
it, the filming. We haveall the shots planned. We

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have the storylineplanned. We have the
costumes and everything.
We were totally diseasestricken for the last
couple of weeks and we got abit behind on production.
And we might have to bumpit, but it'll still happen
eventually. Yeah, that'stoo bad. I also was very
sick. We woke up yesterdaymorning, which was going

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to be a day that we went toband practice. And then at
the end of the day,squeezed in. I hope we were
trying to squeeze in likefive hours of filming. And
we were like, there's noway. After that practice,
we got done at like 8.30. Wemade the right call. Yeah,
no, that's a long time. Mymusic video might as well

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like push it back, make itgood. Yeah, doesn't have
to come out at anyparticular time.
Although it would be cool.
It would be cool, but it'salso like I came to terms
with this. I'm so quick tolike put things out
because I have this idealike, oh, people are
expecting it. No one'sexpecting it. Nobody
cares. Nobody asked forthis. They might care if I
actually take the time tolike do this all the way.

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And create this productthat I, or product, create
this piece of art that Isee. It is a product. Yeah,
it's a thing. But if Iactually can manifest it,
maybe people will care.
But if I put out this likehalf-assed version of it.
Well, if you've put thismuch work into it, it's not
worth not doing, you know,putting the rest of the

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effort in. Because ifyou're going to write a
whole plot line and haveactual actors and like,
you might as well justwrite it out. It might take
three times as long as youthought. Yeah, we were
doing this shot lastweekend and I was like
sitting on the hood of ourcar while Sarah was back.
And we were packing it upand we had the headlights
aimed at our actor and hewas walking. And I thought

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it was going to be the supercool shot. And I got back
and uploaded it and got itinto Final Cut and started
playing around with it.
And it looks like it wasshot on a microwave. It's
so bad the lighting was sooff. And I was so ready to do
a video of like a cryptidsighting. Yeah, yeah.
Type of vibe. We've in thepast collaborated with

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our buddy who's a supertalented filmmaker,
Isaiah Marcelino. And itwould be kind of nice to get
him back in the mix becausehe's, I mean, he's just
great. He's a great grip.
He knows a lot about justframing shots and we've
done some great projectsand a short amount of time
with him too. Yeah, he's apro. Are they from around

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here? Yeah, Isaiah went tohigh school with Griffin
and I as well. He lives inSummerville, Mass. Which
is where I lived before Icame here. We switched.
Yeah, his full address is.
Hey, we're shot. Give it ashout out. If you want to
work with him, he's inSummerville, Mass. Yeah,

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cool. Definitely. Do youhave other music videos? I
know you had, there was oneYouTube video that I
found. Tell me about thatone. Oh, the My Tie music
video. That was during aphase in our creative
collaboration betweenthe three of us where we
were spending a lot of timein front of a green screen.

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We would do like YouTube,we were trying to do like a
YouTube series of likelive performances with
like fun overdubs. Andthen we decided to just
make a music video for MyTie, which is like sort of
supposed to be a song aboutfreaking out at the mall,
just like having a bad timeat the mall. So we got a
bunch of pictures off ofGoogle and set us up in the

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mall. Nice. When we werefilming this, our apartment was
approximately eight feetwide. Like it was a very,
very small room and we had agreen screen along one
wall. We had our phonecamera basically like
hanging on the other wallwhile staring at a night

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dance. Oh yeah, it waslike, it was very low
budget production. But itwas a lot of fun. We had a lot
of fun props. Yeah, toiletpaper roll. We were
prepared it all. We didn'tlike buy anything. We were
just like, what do we havearound the house that you
could get at a mall? We'relike, oh wait,
everything. Right. Yeah,no, that's cool. That's
definitely fun. And whendid that one come out

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again? Did you say? I thinkthat was last Valentine's
Day. Yep, yeah, it was. Ithink so. We also, I don't
know, I don't thinkGriffin was involved in
this, but we did a musicvideo together with
Isaiah for a song off of oneof Ben's solo album. Why
did two music videos withIsaiah? There's one for
POV and then you and Iworked together on the

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Hotel County Jail musicvideo. Which is cool if you
get a chance to check itout. It's a really fun
video. Hotel County Jailby Ben Burr off of soft
cheese. Nice. Nice. Okay,so you have some of your own
solo stuff out too. Yeah,that's what Sarah and I met
actually. Oh, cool. Verycool. Nice. How long have
you been playing ingeneral? I always kind of

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ask people's back story.
Sometimes I go in a funnyorder. So tell me. I mean,
music has been a part of mylife since second grade
when I started the violin.
Cool. So I played a numberof instruments and tried a
number of differentstyles and types of things
out. I almost was a choralmajor in college. Like I

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was really into like theclassical choral stuff.
And then I graduated and Iwas like, wait, I don't
like this at all. So it was along journey since then of
finding what I like, butit's always been
production and justdigital production and
playing the guitar havealways been my favorite.
Cool. Things. Cool. Andwhere are you guys from? I

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know you said you went tothe same high school. Are
you from here or are youfrom a different state?
No, I'm from like centralVermont. Cool. Griffin's
from Warren. I'm fromNorthfield. We both went
to Harwood. Fully Doxxed.
Nice. Fully Doxxed,exactly. And Sarah's from
Boston. I was just going toask, Sarah. Tell me about
where you started. I'm anodd one out. Yeah. Well,
I'm from the North Shore.

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I'm from Sagas,Massachusetts, which is
known for its stretch ofhighway with lots of
landmarks on it, like anorange dinosaur and the
Leaning Tower of Pisa.
Nice. Cool. It's like theVegas strip of Boston.
True Americana. I love it.
Nice. Very cool. And howlong have you been making
music? I've been playingmusic, like Ben said, like

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my whole life. I've alwaysbeen just kind of like
obsessed, like teachingmyself, not as like formal
with it as Ben, but Istarted like messing
around with pro tools andlike recording music and
stuff in high school. Andyeah. Cool. Yeah. Nice.
I'd be interested to hearsome of that. Yeah. I keep
trying to find it. I havelike a couple YouTube

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channels that are buriedin the mix. Yeah. Nice. I
need to find them and embedthem on the show. There you
go. I guess some history inthere. James, how about
you? How long have you beenplaying? So I started in
like fifth grade on flute.
Nice. Me too. Theoriginals. Oh yeah. Gave

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up on that. Oh yeah. Me too,unfortunately. He did
play the flute on thesingle. I did a little bit.
It was not. It was. SomeJeff Rottell action.
Modern day Bobby. Yeah.
Yeah. And then Itransitioned to guitar in

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like high school. And thenmy band needed a bass
player and I was the worstguitar player. So I based.
And I started messingaround on the drums. The
rest is history. Nice. Youfound your eventual
colleague. Precisely.
He's so good at the drums.
That's crazy. Ah, shut up.
Nice. Yeah. And yeah, justto clear up the confusion

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because you're calling meJames. They're calling me
Griffin. Griffin's mymiddle name. James is my
first name. When I foundout that Griffin was not
actually his first name,it was like a big day for me.
It is for everyone and I'malways confused. Like is
that that blew your mind?
That blew your mind? It'sjust a different. The

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little Griffin you goaround being like I am a
mythical bird. That's whoI am. Bird lion. And then
actually it's likeactually I'm Jim. You
know, some some days I wantto be a mythical bird and
some days I want to just beJimmy. Yeah. All right.

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Griffin is mythical,right? I'm not. There's no
such thing as a. Eagle.
Like an eagle and a lion.
Yeah. Okay. That's what Ithought. Eagle had lion
but. Yes. Yes. So. So do youguys have any influences
that you feel like arestrong enough to call out

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by name? I know that'salways a. Sometimes I ask
this question and they getreally mad at me. I would
say that the review of onand on and on that Jordan
Adams was that the name didcalled out a lot of our
influences unpromptedlike Eric Abadou and I

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can't think of any others.
Yeah, I know he didn'tmention Steely Dan, which
is definitely aconnecting force between
the three of us. Oh yeah.
Yeah. Well they kind of youknow I had heard some
Steely Dan songs and I waslike, yeah, they're cool.
But I never really likedover into their
discography until I kindof reconnected with with

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with you too. Yeah, butSteely Dan is like really.
Yeah, I listen to them a lotmore now and like, you
know, I started with Asiaand then, you know, I kind
of branched out fromthere. But yeah. Well,
it's like it's a pillar ofour marriage and so are you
kind of. I don't know how tofeel about that. That's a

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lot of pressure guys. NowI'm going to blame myself.
Don't worry, we'll blameyou first. Okay, cool. All
right, that'scomforting. I'm going to
post on Facebook and belike, you know, it was a
great marriage, butunfortunately because of
Griffin. I can hear SteelyDan. I can hear it. I listen

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to some of your stuff. I getto listen to much of it
because I'm not very goodabout doing my research
early. I did my researchyesterday and today.
That's okay. It was good.
Google duck in the carwhile I was driving. Yeah.
I appreciate it. The factthat you even open the
document says a lotbecause a lot of people
don't. I thought thatmight be the case. I didn't
really feel bad about it.

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No, I appreciate it. It'sgood to have some
direction. Sometimespeople come in and they
want to just tell meeverything and sometimes
people come in and I have noidea what to ask because
I'm like, okay, I stalkedyou a little bit but you had
nothing online. So tell meeverything and then I have
to fish for questions. Youguys gave me direct things
to talk about. We're alsolike, yeah, we're

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yappers. We're yappers.
So you have to like keep usin line too to get any
answers out of this.
That's what we're herefor. You all came on the
rocket shop at one point.
Oh yeah. I think in August.
Cool. I thought that wasreally fun. Gonna shout
out to the rocket shop. Ivery much appreciate Big

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Heavy World and Iappreciate Bob and Abby
and Ross for everythingthey do. So shouting out
Big Heavy World isimportant. It was. Except
for my bass situation.
What was happening? It'swhen I bought that one bass
from the... I won't nameany names, but I bought it.
Oh, oh! And I was so stokedon it. We've been wanting a
five string forever.

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Sarah and I both play thebass and the band, we
switch back and forth.
We've been really wantinga five string. So we went
out, I went to this musicstore, I saw one and I was
like, that's the bass,that's coming home with
me. And I just bought itlike that. Which is not
something I do very often.
I'm a pretty frugal guy. Ithink a lot about things,
but the bass, I was like, Ineed to have that. So we
bought that, we got a newbass amp, we brought it
home. I played it, it wasamazing. Yeah. Then we

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went to practice the nextday and I took it out of the
case and the action washorrible. It was like, you
could stick like an entirefinger underneath the
strings at the 12th fret.
And I was like, that's notgood. So I... Oh dude, it's
good for your tone, man.
Yeah, it's good for yourtone. I took it to the shop
that I work at and I tried toadjust the truss rod. I was

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like, something's wronghere. Like none of these
are doing anything and Ican't get it to catch. And I
slipped inside. Therejust wasn't a nut in it. It
was like completelyunadjustable. And so
luckily I was able toreturn it and we ended up
just buying a new one fromSweetwater as much as I
hate to. Yeah. Well,that's good. At least you

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were able to return itbecause it's a major one.
Yeah, but they send youcandy though. They do send
you candy. But in themeantime... I like the
candy. Oh, it's awesome.
Every time I get somethingfrom Sweetwater, I'm
like, oh I can't believethat candy. Banana Laffy
Tuffy. Banana LaffyTuffy. That's my little
peppermint. But before Icould return the bass, we
had to play our Rocket Shopshow. And I had to play this
bass that had justhorrible action the whole

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time. It ended up soundingfine. You sounded good.
You sounded good. Yeah, itwas a lot of fun. They only
had two vocal mics though.
During the mid-showinterviews, you could
hear Ben and Sarah. Youcouldn't hear me very
well. Even though theytold me they were like,
sorry, I'm putting them onblast right now. But they

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were like, no, it'll be aleader. We said we weren't
going to trash talk for agood sip. You're getting
your time now. Yeah, putthem on blast. Well,
because they told me, oh,it'll be fine. I was like,
no, I don't believe you. Itwas fine. You have one of
the loudest voices ever. Ido. I do. It's probably a
good thing really. Itencourages people to
watch the video so thatthey can lip read. Yes,

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they have to compare andsee how quiet you really
were. Well, it's cool thatyou've been around this
area a lot. Where else haveyou played? Where is your
favorite show that youhave played? That's a good
question. I mean, we've,as you know, that's Kate

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Eternity. That barn. Thebarn show. That barn show
was a lot of fun. JohnArons' barn show. It was
like around the like,Virgin's area. Very
beautiful. Yeah. Verybeautiful. He's putting
on a barn show I saw onInstagram with Remi
Russon. Yep. Who's goingto be at our Halloween
party. Yeah, that's thisSaturday. Like a couple

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week off this Saturday. Goto that, but also don't go
to Queer Takeover becausewe're playing Queer
Takeover. Oh, cool. Welove Radio Bean. That's a
fun one. We've had some ofour best and some of our
worst shows there. So it'sa mixed bag. Yeah, that's a
radio beans for. Polaropposite. So the
Halloween show, where isthat one? The Halloween
show is with Remi, Russon,the eye traps, and Clive.

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Where is that? That isgoing to be at the Woods
Lodge. Gotcha. It's sortof our first foray back
into taking over the stagethere. My dad and I built
the stage on the propertywhen I was a senior in high
school so that my band atthe time, Peace in the
Valley, could have analbum release party
there. Peace in theValley. Yeah, shout out.
What's up? Everybodygood? Check him out. If you

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know, you know. You know,you know. And then since
then I've held a couplefairly successful
festivals there. I didPeace Fest, which Peace in
the Valley headlined. Andthen a few years after
that, I put on the cheeseball, which financially
was not a success, butpeople had a lot of fun.
They had a ball. They had aball. They had a ball. And

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so now we're, you know,with the idea of starting
to do concerts thereregularly next year, this
Halloween party is sort ofour first foray back into
it. And it's a time to testthe venues limits, try to
get some more people thereand see what we need to
improve on. Figure out howmany porta-potties we
need to have in the mix.
Yeah, really logisticalstuff like that. Yeah.
Yeah, there's a lot tothat. Do you have to deal

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with generators or isthere power? There's
enough power. Take atrench. Yeah, we have two.
World War II style. Likethe olden days. We'll have
the trench and the trough.
Love a trough. Love atrough. Love me a trough.

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I'm a farm animal at heart.
Yeah, so tell me some moreabout the lodge. So is it a
garage space? Is itoutside? Like what is it
like? So it is a summer campthat was built in the
1920s. It actually is areally interesting and
rich history. Yeah, it wasoriginally a Christian

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summer camp. Yeah, it'sgot ghosts. I think there
are. There are some peoplewho have died on the
property. So there mightbe special for Halloween.
Ooh, they might visit us.
She used to do some ghosthunting. We should go out
there. Right. Blacklights. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There are many spiritswe'd like to hang out with.

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We could do a Ouija board.
There you go. You're notsupposed to do those,
dude. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah,yeah. You're gonna get
possessed or what. Right,right, right. But yeah,
there's indoor eventspace and outdoor event
space. The stage isoutdoors. The stage is
outdoors. We're trying tocome up with options for,
you know, rain date.
Right. Indoor spacebecause there's like a
dining room and bar insideof the main building.

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Well, we played thatdining room for our high
school graduation party.
We did. I was, when we werehaving a meeting last week
about the venue, myparents were like, I don't
know if we could do itinside. And I was like,
listen, I feel like 200people in that. Oh, that?
It was popping. It was.
That party was popping. Itwas like the graduation
party for Harwood,Montpelier, Northfield.

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I felt like everyone waslike that. Yeah, yeah.
There were a lot of peoplethere. I was. To be the guy
who talks about parties inhigh school. Yeah. That's
kind of. It was my peak.
When you played the show,it's different. At that
party. Yeah. It's been alldownhill since that. The
only thing I think aboutactually. I would talk
about high school partiesif I went to any. I was in
anime club. We didn't haveparties. Oh, that's so

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much cooler though. Youdidn't have anime club
parties? We did, but it waslike, everybody, I guess
we do a sleepover and we putfour in Madagascar. We get
a couple things. And wewatch anime and eat. Yeah.
Like, yeah. The cupcakescould be called out. It was
crazy. Yeah. That's avery, I don't know. Very
specific anime thing.

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Nice. Cool. Well, thatsounds like an incredibly
cool space. And it'sreally cool that you have
somewhere somewhat big tohave indoor because let's
say it's Vermont. Yeah.
It's going to rain or snowor something. Yeah. It
always does. Yeah. Yeah.
Now that's really coolthough. And I'm curious to
hear more about thehistory of the place. We

(28:29):
don't have to get into ittoo far because I know
we're talking about theband. Sure. No, I'm happy
to talk about it. There's aquick rundown version, I
think. It was a summercamp, a Christian summer
camp for like ahoity-toity one. You had
to buy uniforms in New YorkCity. Right. The 20s,
right? Whoa. Yeah. It was abig deal. The Roar in 20s
for the Christian schoolkids. Right. On end. And

(28:50):
then I'm not sure when thatdissolved, but I know that
the next owner I'm aware ofwas in the 70s when it
became the Light and LifeCenter. And it was like a
hippie-dibby healing. Iwas going to say that
sounds super hippie.
Cult. Yeah. The powerwithin. The power within.
The power within. Fullspectrum lighting
throughout. And so thenafter that there were

(29:12):
owners who I think justsort of lived there and
used it as a personalproperty. And we recently
found a video of when theywere selling it to the next
owners or when they had itlisted. And it's crazy to
look at this video of theproperty that I live on,
but from 40 years ago, allthe trees are so small
because it's centralVermont, so it was

(29:34):
completely deforested inthe 1900s. So all the trees
are very, very young in the80s. And there's this
whacked out dude goingaround with the video
camera filmingeverything. And every
room he goes into flips on aswitch and goes full
spectrum lightingthroughout. And here's
the bedroom full spectrumlighting throughout,
which just means that ithas fluorescent lights on

(29:56):
the ceiling. Like it's nota drop. And then anyway,
after that owner was ownedby Steven Sue Norris, who
turned it back into asummer camp, but this time
more of like a your classiclike archery learning,
learning skills.
Americana summer camp.
Yeah. And then my shoutout. Shout out camp
Abnaki. Really the coollike the last little pin in

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that is that what was it thestate or whatever who came
in and redid the pool area.
Yeah, the state. There wasa dam on the property that
was built in the 1920s thatwas set behind this
beautiful waterfall thatwe have on the property.
And it backed up the riverto create this almost

(30:40):
like, I mean, it was prettybig. Like it was like lake
sized basin that the kidscould swim in. And that the
dam broke at some point inthe 1900s. And so the river
fell down and there wasjust this big concrete
slab that made itdifficult for the fish to
get back. Yeah, that makessense. Spawn. It sounds
like some shit they do at asummer camp in the 1900s.

(31:03):
Right. Yeah, exactly.
We're just going to make alake now. No regard for the
wildlife whatsoever.
Yeah. But it worked outwell for us. A lake. Yeah.
And it had a diving board.
Hey, belly diving board.
Yeah, right. Say, say,what do you think we could
put a lake here? Yeah, Ilike it. But the state came

(31:25):
in and offered my familythe chance. They were
basically like, we want totake the dam out and in
exchange, what we'll do iswe'll landscape this
whole area for you. Right.
So they they brought thiswhole area down by the
river down to bedrock.
They were like giantconstruction vehicles in
their hauling dirt and itwas wild. And then they put
the dirt back in. They letthe river find its natural

(31:47):
path. Right. And then putthe dirt back in. And now
it's this reallybeautiful area and we have
a huge field down there. Soeventually we're going to
build a stage down thereand be able to have that's
really nice. Nationalactually kind of helped
with that. Because I sawthose things. But like,
yeah, you you want tochange it or do something,

(32:07):
especially since you saidit collapsed. So right.
Yeah. And it's like, oh,yeah, you got a hundred
thousand dollars. Likeexactly at minimum. I
don't think I've ever likebeen down there. Oh,
really? I have only evergone up to the the like
camp. I'll take you downsome. It's really cool.
I'll let you in on the grandplan. Take me down to the
paradise. Yeah, if you'vegot pictures. Are there

(32:28):
any pictures of thisplace? Yeah, actually, if
you you can find plenty ofpictures online, if you
search Camp Weakowie orthe Woods Lodge, you can
find it. I'm not. I don'tremember the exact name of
the project that restoredthe dam. But if you search
like the Woods Lodge dam,you can visit it. It's like
it's also public.
Publicly partiallypublic land. Now, one of

(32:48):
the agreements is that youcan go check it out. Right.
Yeah, that makes sense.
That's really cool,though. Nice. And what day
was that one? We didn't saywe didn't write the date.
Is this show? Yes. Yes.
Yes. All right, bring itback to the show. So that's
October 31st, Halloween.
Oh, it's right onHalloween. True Halloween. True

(33:10):
Halloween bash. And likeyou said, you might see
ghosts because deadpeople are around. Not a
nice patch, but it's true.
My mom's going to be there.
That could be a draw. Yeah.
Yeah, you can meet Sarah'smom. She's a nice lady.
She's a nice lady. Supercool. OK, all right. Was

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there anything else thatyou want to talk about
specifically for theband? Do you do? Sorry,
sorry. I feel like I shouldhave another question.
I'll plug again that we'regoing to play on Saturday
at Radio Bean. Come checkus out. And again, the
Halloween party on the31st. We have Remy Russin.
We have the eye traps and wehave Clive and Remy Russin

(33:54):
and the eye traps are bandsthat I've been wanting to
work with for a really longtime. Clive is a great band
and it's it's going to bereally fun night and it's
an economical nightbecause tickets are only
$15. So cool. You can seefour great bands and party
into the night for 15bucks. Yeah, that's a
really good deal. We aremaking live music
affordable. Yeah. Andbringing it to that area in

(34:16):
Vermont is also a big deal.
There's a few venues downthat way, but there's
really not a whole lot,especially bigger
venues. So this is that'sreally cool because the
festival idea, if it's asummer camp, that's a
really cool idea. Yeah,thank you. So many ideas
could build off and do withthat. I do love Charlie
O's, though. That's agreat venue. It is. Yeah.
Shout out, Charlie. Shoutout, Charlie. By the

(34:38):
pinball machines. Yeah.
How far is like half an hourfrom Montpeliers? That's
how fast you drive. Yeah,right. I can make it in 20. I
know that. 20. Oh, man. Ithink it's like 20. I think
it's fast drive around. Ican make it in 20 and I am
afraid of driving. Yeah.
So there you go. Yeah.
Charlie O's is reallycool. It's far enough away

(35:02):
that I don't want to do itevery weekend. But it's
such a cool spot. Like, Idon't know. Something
famous about it. It's oneof the only venues like
that left in the stateanymore. True Divey Bar.
Yeah. Right. Piece ofVermont history. Yeah.
Still doing something. Wealso played there was a was
that place, theUnderground. Oh, and

(35:22):
Randolph. Yes. I loveplaying there. It's a
nice. That's a great venuedown there. Yeah. That's
the one that James Crossdoes sound. Yeah. Yeah. I
just bought a bunch ofmicrophones from James to
set up at our venue. Cool.
Yeah. I was saying, James,you want advice on sound
set up? Yeah. Or venue. Youshould ask James. Because
James is the best. Yeah. Hewill tell you what you

(35:44):
should do and he knows allof the things around it,
which is pretty sweet andwanted to shout out your
Instagram because youmentioned that one at
Katie Turnv.
C-A-D-Y-T-E-R-N-I-T-Y.
Thank you for spelling it.
I'm normally the one thathas to do that. Yes. Well,
it is a podcast. So it'simportant to call that

(36:04):
out, though. Most of thetime people will see the
name on the show when theydownload it. Cool.
Eventually, we'll befamous enough where you
can spell it wrong andGoogle and we'll still
come up. Google said, youmean Katie Turnv? Yeah,
exactly. But we're notthere yet. So right now we
have to spell it. Rightnow, if you type in our band
name, Google is like, yousure you surely didn't
mean that. Yeah, it'slike, what are you talking

(36:26):
about? Did you mean cateternity? I want to go
there. I do want to knowabout that. I'm surprised
it doesn't come up withgolf stuff, honestly,
with people likemisspelling catty. Oh,
true. And everyonethought that. It didn't,
though, because I triedthis and it did not. I was
able to find you guys. Ithink seven days actually
came up like pretty high,which means just be Google

(36:49):
stalking me and beinglike, oh, you're from
Vermont. Well, it mightalso be because I've typed
in Katie Turnv seven daysinto Google about 10
million times. Yeah,perfect. Big on the
artificial inflation.
This is wonderful. I'vemade many YouTube
accounts that just boostour likes and stuff like
that. I make strangeReddit accounts and I say,

(37:09):
hey, my friend's banned.
Yeah, exactly. Have youguys heard of this band?
Exactly. So cool. Justfound them today. It can't
give away all the insidersecrets. I've kicked off
Reddit for doing that.
It's pretty funny how thatis a pretty legitimate
thing in marketing. Youjust kind of have to lie all
the time. It's why I'mgetting used to it. The

(37:31):
most tame thing possible.
You could get kicked offReddit for a problem.
Yeah, that's very mild. Soyeah, the Vermont
subreddit people and theBurlington separate. I
don't know who's running.
Subreddit is horrible.
These guys are such dorks.
So negative energy inthere. Yeah, it is. Yeah,
it's like a trap for it. Andit's also like it's either
just people. I feel likethat's all of Reddit. Yes.

(37:53):
Half the Internet. I liketo point it out on every
other place that no oneshould go. At least half
the Internet traffic islike bot generated in AI.
So like dead internet. Wesee all the like angry.
What is the Internet now?
The they openly admit thisis their plan. Like

(38:15):
they're not even againstbots anymore. They're
like, no, we're going tomake the bots and we're
going to tell you what youshould think because all
of the comments are goingto be very one way or the
other. Right. They're allgod damn bots. Of course,
except for the people inthe Burlington subreddit
who go, hey, did anybodyhear that sound? Yeah, I
like that. I love that one.
It's like they're likekind of mild. The mild ones

(38:36):
are real people. The onesthat are like very one way
or the other. Burlingtonis over. Excuse me. Yes,
exactly. They're like,this is the worst city in
the world. Like we have thelowest. At the same time,
they're talking aboutlike this being the
greatest place to live inthe world. Right. Like
every one was like that.

(38:58):
Burlington's dead now.
Everyone's dying. It'sunsafe. Set the person
who's never gone outside.
Exactly. Like I reallywant to see these people go
to an actual scary place.
Because they would. Whatwould they do? They would
just die of fear orsomething. I was just in
Philly. We went to seeHayatis Coyote in Philly

(39:19):
and went to thisincredible Mexican
restaurant. And it's likeit wasn't like a cheap
place. You know, like itwas like a nice
restaurant. But it was inKensington. And it was in
Kensington. And so like weate this. We eat this
incredible meal,wonderful drinks, great
service. And we open thedoor and it's just like 10
police cars with theirlights on. Music is so
loud. You can't like talkto someone else from like

(39:42):
10 different boom boxesand people are just like.
The Coopio was a good vibe,though. Doing the trank,
doing the trangling.
Doing the trangling. Oh myGod, were you just in that
restaurant right there?
That's crazy. See, that'sit. Like Burlington is so
chill. The people are.
Yeah, at least comparatively.
Comparatively, exactly.
Like I know crappy stuffhappens, but crappy stuff

(40:03):
happens everywhere. Imean, I had a guy ask me for
$20 on Church Street. I waslike, that was a little
bold. Inflation isinflation. But that was
like the worst. Uh, yeah.
Yeah. And I was like, huh?
Right. I'm not your buddy.
Yeah. That's such aspecific amount. Yeah.

(40:23):
He's like, hey, can I have$20? Yeah. Well, that's
about enough for a pack ofsix and two tall boys these
days. That's kind of likethe perfect amount to have
a night. Yeah. Wow.
Unfortunately for him, Idid not have $20. Yeah. I'm
like, I need $20. Yeah. Iwas like, you guys need
$20? Exactly. Do you haveit as anyone? I don't know

(40:45):
how we got on this, but. Butyou guys are playing at
Radiobn. And what was, didyou say that's next week? I
think it's this Saturday.
Veronica just texted metoday and was like, do you
want to do queer takeoverthis week? So I think that
would be. I turned my phoneoff because I was afraid of

(41:06):
it. Sorry. Yes, I thinkthat would be the. I have
seen that advertisedthough. So. Cool. And
that's going to be beforethat's after this comes
out, which is good. Yes.
Perfect. So we will plugthat radio bean queer
face, queer takeover.
Sorry, not queer face. Isqueer face the thing? It
should be. I mean, there'sgot to be one out there.

(41:26):
There's going to be one.
Yeah. They'll be makinganything a festival these
days. Okay, Gramps. Backin my day, we had a real
festival. He started thepocket buff. Like
Woodstock. Start thepocket. I thought he was
like, I'm the relaxed one.
And he's like, thesepeople asking me for $20 on
the street. And the war is.
Now I was relating. I wasrelating a story about how

(41:48):
bad Burlington is. Sorry.
It's just guy asked me for$20. That's really. It was
bold, but it wasn't bad. Itwas like, all right. It
could be much worse. I waslike, you know, man, I
respect your. Griffin,we're trying to segue out
of this. Griffin.
Griffin. I know, I know.
James, Jimmy. I hear you. Ihear you. I hear you. You

(42:11):
put me on blast though.
Sorry. OK, all right. Sothe only two official
things are the radio beanshow next week, the 18th
and the 31st. Yes. At theWoods Lodge. Correct. In
Northfield. Is thatright? Yes. OK. All right.
Because you said a coupleof different names down

(42:33):
that way. We're playing asecret show in November
and we can't tell you whatit is. Oh, well, you'll
have to. So secret. Ididn't even know about it.
We'll have to follow you onInstagram to keep track
because secret shows arecool. But you get how. When
do you announce a secretshow? When is the correct
time to actually be likethis is happening? Well,

(42:54):
it's it's just a companyparty for my my work. It's
not. I think it's sort of anopen thing a little bit,
though. I think peopleoutside the company will
probably be invited. Ifyou know, you know, type
thing. Yeah, right.
You'll be there. Solistening to this, you'll

(43:14):
be there. Someday we'll doa true secret show where we
announce like the day of.
But right now, I don'tthink we have enough
followers on Instagram tomake. Yeah, we're not
famous enough for thatyet. We're milking the
algorithm. We'd be like,we have a secret show
tonight. Guys come out andthen we would start
playing and no one would bethere. Yeah. They go, it
really is a secret show. Noone knows about it. Hey,

(43:34):
except the name.
Eventually, I was going tosay, eventually it's
going to happen. It'llwork in Vermont someday. I
also wanted to shout outyou also have Katie
Ternady.net. I like togive your legitimate
websites, even if it's notget that much on it. That's
our EPK. If you want to findout what we're all about,

(43:56):
go check it out. Hey, it wasartsy and cool. And also, I
don't love social mediacompanies and you own the
website. So it's true.
It's not evenSquarespace. It's all a
home. Brood. Wow. Brudewebsite. You or him? Me.
We're both graphicdesigners, though. It is
what I dropped out ofcollege for me, too. Nice.
Cool. OK, anything elsethat you wanted to say or

(44:21):
plug in. Thank you. Thankyou all for coming on the
show. This is thank you forhaving us. Yeah. Yeah,
this was this was a lot offun. This is my first
podcast ever. Nice, whichI'm a little late to the
game. They're fun, right?
I feel like everybody has.
You've never evenlistened to one. Nope. You
did a good job consideringyou're totally

(44:42):
unfamiliar with theformat. I listen to
audiobooks. Yes, audio. Ilisten to a lot of
audiobooks. I, to behonest, don't listen to
many podcasts. I'lllisten to my friends every
now and then do something.
But I like making them. Idon't listen to music.
Exactly. I like it. I'llhave my like set of music. I

(45:04):
listen to you, but I don't.
I don't. Right. It's hardto find stuff. It's not
like we have the YouTube of2010 anymore.
Residenties. I justfinished The Wheel of
Time. Nice. Yeah, Ilistened to a lot of it. And
then I read like the secondhalf. And so I'm in that
club now. Nice. Just so Ijust so I can share that.
Congratulations. I'mproud of it. Yeah. Yeah.

(45:26):
Very cool. OK. All right.
Ben, Sarah, JamesGriffin. Very specific.
Thank you all for coming onthe show. Today's episode
was the 59th, which isinsane. So the show notes
will be at VermontTalks.comforward slash 59 and go see
Kate Eternity at the WoodsLodge on the 31st of

(45:51):
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