July 17, 2025 • 61 mins
A powerful testimony from pro boxer Otis Griffin as he shares his journey through unimaginable loss, health battles, and spiritual warfare. From losing his brother and children to facing serious health issues and witnessing miracles with his premature daughter, Otis reveals how faith in God carried him through it all. This heartfelt conversation highlights the power of resilience, positive thinking, and deep spiritual connection. If you're seeking hope, healing, or strength in hard times, this story will move you.
00:00 - Intro
03:08 Family Legacy and Personal Struggles
07:29 Miracles and Medical Challenges
12:10 Faith Tested: Personal Loss and Resilience
15:52 Navigating Life's Storms with Faith
17:43 The Role of Faith in Overcoming Adversity
30:47 Materialism and Life Perspective Shift
31:44 The Impact of a Blameless Life
33:10 Strengthening Faith Through Adversity
34:37 Daily Prayer and Connection with God
35:39 Seeking Guidance and Cleansing the Spirit
40:17 Understanding Sin and Redemption
42:12 The Simplicity of Faith
43:11 Personal Testimonies and Reflections
48:54 Advice for Younger Generations
57:43 The Power of Intercessory Prayer
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Dude, you've seen horrific pain and you've rebuilt from rock
bottom like 3 or 4 times. We lost like twins.
We lost a son. Our daughter of Liberty was was
born premature. She only weighed 12 ounces.
I'm running one day. I get blood clots in my heart,
like in my lungs. Doctors all around me going
like, how are you even alive? I lose my house.
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My brother dies in his sleep. And I told the Lord I was like,
hey, if you get us through this,I'm yours.
Religion is brushing your teeth every day.
When you have a spiritual connection with the Most High,
it's deeper as you felt. Dude prayed for me after the
podcast, I felt the Holy Spirit enter.
It's still uncomfortable to talkabout, but really felt something
enter me that felt more good than I've ever experienced.
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And I've done, you know, sought every drug, every adrenaline
thing. And but then I get caught up in
the the one way. How do you get your guidance?
Like where do you hear back fromGod?
This universe is voice activated, that's why in the
Bible that says that your tongueis a sword.
Just like you can speak good into your life, you can speak a
cursed in your life. If if something bad happens,
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I've learned through experience that sometimes you got to go
backwards to go forward. That's mind blowing that you can
anticipate bad in life and you just know I'm still going to
make good with it. I'm still going to have positive
thoughts, positive words, and that's.
That's the time, the power of the time.
If you would have told me when Iwas a fat kid in Alabama that
looked like a little girl like that, I would be like, you know,
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like this dude that was on a reality show and, and this top
fighter and win championships and stuff like that.
I mean, like, man, get up out ofhere, man.
Like, yeah, when I when I first got put on the reality show, the
next great champ, like I, it seems like, you know, with, with
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all the editing and stuff, it seems like all I was talking
about was Jesus 24/7. But really I was just living my
regular life, like how, how I just was explaining to you, like
I get up, I read the Proverbs, Iread, you know, Psalms or
whatever. And then I read whatever I'm
going to read that day. You know, I was praying like
for, for God to work and, and have me win the competition and
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everything. So I was just doing what I do.
But then they like, you know, we're like, oh, like on me,
like, oh, this guy is just aboutChrist at all times.
Yeah. Yeah.
But that was good because like you said, the Mass is like, you
got over 6 million people watching this show, like, and
you want it. Yeah.
Yeah. And the Mass. 20 and oh right.
So it's like, hey, what what about that, that God thing?
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You know, what about that Jesus thing?
Yeah, dude, your, your testimony, life story, whatever
is I try not to over prepare so I can like, you know, have, but
I couldn't not keep diving. And dude, you've seen horrific
pain and amazing. You've rebuilt from rock bottom
like 3 or 4 times and the crazy story of how you got into boxing
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after the locker room scuffle. And there's just, I don't even
know, like I, I, I'm really excited to talk to you dude, and
I appreciate you sharing out front with me and, and talking
about Jesus and God and stuff. And where does your story start?
Man, it, it really, it really starts in a, in a, a real
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nowhere town like outside of Troy, AL called Brundage,
Alabama. It's in Pike County, you know,
Griffin family, you know, we have a lot of athletes in in
education there, you know, they call it an antique city, you
know, because it's just like. Like little boutique shops and
stuff. Boutique shops.
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It looks like a old western, like we got 2 lights in the
whole town and everything. And it just comes from, you
know, sharecroppers, you know, after we talked about slavery
and everything. But after, after slavery, my, my
family, you know, hooked up with, with some, some Irish
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people, settlers, us, how we getthe name Griffin.
And then my, my cousins are of course, Patterson's my hands,
you know, Lampley, you know, things of that nature, like so
it's we began to sharecrop and from sharecropping, you know,
got into education, education, you know, praising the Lord the
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whole way, you know, and then from education, sports, and then
all of a sudden we got people, you know, making it into the NFL
and, and doing things of that nature.
And then that's what happens, man, every generation just
getting better and better and tothe point where now, you know,
even in with my kids, I got likea a, a a NASA worker doctor, you
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know, state worker musician coming up, you know, like.
That's sick. What?
What was your home environment like?
The siblings 22 parents togetherlike what was the?
Well, my, my mom married my, my stepfather when I was a, a
senior in high school. So, but before that I was, she
was a single parent, you know, but highly educated, you know,
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like she actually gets her PhD, No, excuse me, doctoring in
theology next Saturday. She has a double masters, double
bachelors and, and APHD, you know, computer science.
She's worked for the IRS, she's worked for franchise tax, just
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just like, you know, like a really just resilient character.
And I remember just, you know, being a kid and you know how you
walk past your parents room or whatever and, and it kind of
like what scared me because I would be eavesdropping, just
being nosy, but she'd be like inthere praying and she'd be
crying and she'd be like, Lord, I don't know how we're going to
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make it. I don't have this, I don't have
that, you know, and it just mademe a stronger person.
You know what I'm saying? Like in in doing that and I'm.
Stronger in your face. Oh yeah, strong in my face
because I'm like, man, if she really is is, you know, like.
Leaning. On this and and then somehow
we're still making it like it's it's crazy so it went from there
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to her getting job offers in other states or whatever we like
move and because she's, you know, got such this this great
education and and everything on paper, right.
This is before, you know, Skyping and, and, and you know,
you know, you don't know who The, Who the person is.
They just their, their resume is, is on paper and it speaks
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for itself. So like, Oh yeah, get over here.
We go out to, you know, Georgia,we go out to New Jersey or
whatever. And, and people would see that
she was the black lady. And they be like, actually like
the job is taken, you know, likewe made a mistake and like,
like, wow, it's crazy. So then finally, you know, we
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moved to California. A.
Little easier out here with thatI.
Got on with, with, with Sacramento, with, with franchise
techs, you know, with the and everything and went all the way
to the top, made it became a Bureau director and things of
that nature. And, you know, just been in the
church and in the Word ever since until, you know, as far as
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I can think, you know, so. And so young, you saw, like,
hard times in life, desperately reaching out, and then things
would work out from that. Yeah, that's really cool.
Faith, incredible blind faith, you know, and it was it was even
going back myself, I've almost died like 7 times in my life.
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I was, when I was born, I had bacteria, meningitis and
everything right so. I only knew about 1-7, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and what happened was like,
my mom was like, I was a very sickly child, like probably from
from zero to like 12, you know, and my mom just, you know, with
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the faith and praying and I was in the hospital like all the
time, you know, and that was, it's crazy how life is looking
back, I'm 47 now. And, and then when, when I had
children, I was married for 17 years and everything, and we
lost like, twins. We lost the son, you know, Then
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our daughter of Liberty was was born premature.
She only weighed 12 ounces, right?
Wow. Yeah.
She was born at 24 weeks in 2000.
I just had dinner with her earlier.
Today is that? Is that the musician, the NASA,
or the doctor? No, that's just she's just an
estate worker, even the death. So listen to this story.
She's a miracle. So my I was giving this
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testimony in church like maybe about 5 months ago, right?
And then my mom, after I get done, she goes well, what he
didn't know is that that was only what he went through me
was, was the only preparation. She goes, she goes.
He, he didn't even tell you whathe went through with the
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bacteria meningitis and almost dying and, and, and and being
sick, you know, until I was about 12 and grew out of it or
whatever. So Liberty was, you know, could
fit in the palm of my hand. She was one of the smallest
child. I don't know about now, but in
2000 she was the smallest child ever born in America.
And she was 24 weeks. Her gestation was the IT was
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like 24 weeks. She was supposed to die, you
know, or have cerebral palsy anda very low quality of life.
Nothing like she's she's a miracle, you know what I'm
saying? So that really horned me and I'm
like, Oh my God, like, you know,I got to really like, you know,
stay on this straight, you know,line on this faith and, and
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everything that really, you know, for for years, because we
didn't know if she was going to be strong for a moment, you
know, we and then fall off or, or, or go back into because the
doctor was always like, OK, well, you know, the the
hemorrhaging of the brain stopped.
But she's not out of the woods yet.
You know, she has a heart murmur, you know what I'm
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saying? She, she's got cerebral palsy,
you know, and. How long did that go on for that
crazy uncertainty? Probably until she's about 6:00
or 7:00. And then she had, you know, you
know, always, even right now, always afraid of like RSV and,
and asthma and stuff like that. But that's nothing compared to
like we used to and what you were saying earlier about your
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child and everything when, when like people are out here and
they, they think life is just like a given, right.
So I'll never forget us being onthe on the elevator and a couple
gets in and, and, and the family's following them and
they're like, because they're the NICU and everything right
with us and they're, and we're like, oh man, they're probably
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going through where we're going.We're just in the corner of the
elevator and they're like, man, the baby's the baby's 5 lbs.
This is, this is horrible. Like such a small baby.
And we're like, you'll be all right, you're good.
Like, are these people crazy? Like, like, Oh my God.
Like we're like, they were like,man, if they knew what we were
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going through, we had to be at the at the hospital every day.
Like our kid couldn't even come home.
Everything that a child goes through in this in the in the
womb, she had to do outside. So like for like a year, she's
in the NICU, like in an incubator and, and we got to go
in and pray over and, and stretcher and everything.
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So, yeah, so it was, it was a, that was one of the, the, the
biggest peak experiences of, of my life that that really let me
know that they're because I, youknow, prayed and and told
because I remember what my mom used to do, right?
Yeah. And, and I told the Lord I was
like, hey, if you get us throughthis, I'm yours.
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So that's what it was, man. And, and after he got us through
it, I mean, I, I just been on a mission.
Like, I'm not saying I'm holier than thou or, or whatever, but
but you know, I always give him the glory.
Yeah. So what did when you said that
like I'm yours, what did that look like after just talking
about God all the time and. Well, you have to be so you ever
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hear the the saying be careful what you pray for, right?
So, and then there's another thing too, like so a lot of
people, they, they read Bible verses and they don't look like
always when you read a Bible verse, go see the time that it
was at then the footnotes, right?
The country, because different words mean different things at
different times or whatever, right?
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And always go ahead and read thewhole passage.
Don't just get fixated on like 1little verse because you think
it's cool. Yeah, yeah.
So I, I did that. I, it was Acts 915.
I used to put it on on my boxinggear, everything, right?
Because it said, hey, this man is my chosen instrument, right?
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And I'm like, Oh yeah, I'm an instrument for God.
It's my chosen instrument. So you got to be careful what
you pray for, right? Because that passage is actually
talking about Saul. I mean, excuse me.
Yeah. Paul before he became Saul, Paul
was the the the ultimate persecutor of any Christian.
Like he was killing Christians, right?
He was shining God at, at at every corner or whatever.
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And then finally he was on the on the road to the master and he
got knocked off his horse. That's why people say, oh, get
knocked off your high horse, right?
He got struck, knocked off his horse.
And the most highest voice says,why do you persecute me?
And then he's like Lord, right? Take his eyesight, everything.
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So he had to crawl all the way into the city and go and do
exactly to the T what what God told him to do, like follow
every direction, right? Find a guy named it's either
different people pronounce it different.
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It's Anilius or, or, or Arrhenius or, or whatever,
right? And and this guy, which scares
the hell of him because he was killing Christians.
So he's like, so, so when, when God's like, Hey, Paul's going to
come to you and I want you to give him his eyesight back and
everything. This is how you're going to do.
And he's like, whoa, hold up, God, like, I'm not talking to
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this dude, You know what I'm saying?
Like, this dude is crazy. He kills people.
I'm not. I would.
Why would I give him his eyesight back?
It's it's good that he's blind 'cause now he can't, you know,
go do all these evil deeds or whatever.
But this was, excuse me, this was Saul before he became Paul.
Yeah, yeah. And yeah.
So when you read these passages,I don't want to get too far into
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the story, but you have to go back and and, and and and read
everything because I didn't knowthat in order by me picking this
path or this verse that I was going to have to go through so
much to magnify God's name. And that's just what my life has
been. But I accept it as it is, you
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know, so like going. Through stuff that's really.
Quiet like almost dying, like, you know, with my child almost
dying, you know, and then her sister was also premature.
But but, you know, technology has come so far by that time.
It was it was much easier. Like people were like, oh, you
guys have to, you know, do this.And then we're like, OK, that's
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easy compared to what we used tohave to do with her, you know?
So. Yeah, so.
So. You think these storms are for
him to like put you in a storm so that you can still proclaim
God? And.
So people can see. Dang, he's still saying that's.
What every testimony is about. That's what like I've gotten to
the point now like like, for instance, like, you know, I
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went, I went through something called long COVID or going
through it right? And, and, and I'm running one
day, I get blood clots like in my heart, like in my lungs, you
know, like if I wasn't as fit asI was, I'm dead.
You know, I go there and, and they got doctors all around me
going like, how are you even alive?
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You know, like like literally like nobody else.
Like I've never seen anything like this and everything, it's
the most high, you know what I'msaying?
So I have to, I have to give people that testimony and
everything. But what I'm saying is
everything that you go through in life is a testimony.
Like some people, like they, they go through hardship.
They, they expect like this world to be so easy or, or given
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or whatever, Or they, they thinkthat another person like,
because, you know, they got a certain car, they got a house or
whatever, that their life is just peachy.
Like you don't know that, you know, like like, like sometimes,
you know, like for instance, whowould have known that your
daughter was going through like that?
Like you people might have been like, Oh man, this guy, you
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know, he's a handsome guy. He's living the life,
motherfucker. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then they don't know like, you know, your daughter's like
dealing with cancer, you might lose the, the love of your life.
You know what I'm saying? Like, so let never, I, I, I say
to people, never turn in your playing hand because it's your
hand. You got it.
Hey, I'm going to play this handuntil I until the game is over
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because you turn in your hand. That might have been the the
luckiest hand on the on the table, you know?
So yeah. Have you ever gone through a
time where you doubted your faith or just like almost walked
it just too much F this test or what?
Well, it's funny. Not almost like there's so I
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come from a Christian background, so.
But I'm human, you know? So there's times where I'm like,
I'm like, like, I'll give you a story.
So I'm on the next great champ. Yeah, I beat Jimmy Mintz, beat
the heck out of them. They edit the video and make it
seem like it was a close fight. But if you were actually there,
like, I'm beating him easily, you know, So I'm like, well, so
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when they say, oh, he won, I'm like, what?
I don't understand. Like, now, Flash, you know, back
to where we are now. I didn't understand the grand
scheme of it. This is Hollywood, right?
Yeah. Everyone, if you look at the
show, you see this guy that usedto be a a football player in
incredible shape. You know, everyone like
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incredibly motivated, like look,feeling like he's on a mission
from God. Everyone is like, it's obvious
who's going to win the show. You know what I'm saying?
Right? So why do we even need to watch
it? So now you like as a producer,
you're like, I'm going to put some drum in there.
I'm going to make him lose. You know which?
But I mean, that happens in boxing every day anyway.
You know, people get robbed or whatever.
Jimmy is also the well, he was RIP and the son of of a former
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world champion. His brother was, was, was a
devout Christian and a great fighter.
You know, his uncle was a world champion.
You know, he was like, pretty much like the in New Orleans,
like, like the white Mayweather family, you know what I'm
saying? Like the men's family is a known
boxing family. So yeah, it, it ratings, you
know, yeah, we're going to let Jimmy win this or whatever, you
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know, like boom, boom. So I go like what people don't
understand is every episode takes like like 4 days to film.
So I go back to the the hotel and I'm like, I'm like, man, I'm
like I was in NFL door gets closed on me.
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I'm in the Arena Football League, door gets closed on me.
I'm like, I'm talking to God. I'm like Lord like Dang, like
can can I? I mean I worked so hard for
this. Can I just do?
Can I just win once? Like at least like let me have
something lean on. I'm like whatever, dude.
Like I'm like, what am I? Why am I always praying and
stuff like I'm whatever. And then I then I sit down, I'm
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like, I'm like, you know what, man, I apologize.
I was like, I'm grateful that I even got this whole opportunity
because something good is going to come out of it.
I'm going to go home and I'm Carl Don Chargon, the Hall of
Fame promoter in Sacramento, andI'm a still be a world champion.
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Thank you just for giving me theopportunity.
And and how you said the other day when, when, right when you
said something so people don't understand, like this universe
is voice activated. If you say blessings are curses,
you're you're you're that's why in the Bible it says that your
tongue is a sword, right? It's double edged, right?
You can just like you can speak,you get into your life, you can
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speak accursed in your life, right?
So by saying what I said and then giving him the glory,
literally, I got done talking. I I believe it dude.
Who the hell is this? Whatever.
This is I'm in a hotel. I'm in a hotel.
I'm off the show. I'm in like everyone else is at
on the set. I'm in a hotel.
I had just went and got my favorite Quizno sandwich.
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I'm, you know, having a pity party.
My, my sister is, is, is like, oh, hey, well, just, you know,
you're going to be all right, you know, you know, trying to,
you know, speak, you know, blessings over me.
I'm like, I want to hear that my, my wife is calling me like,
oh, you always blow up the, the spot.
Just, you know, be happy that you at least were on the show.
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Like you're getting paid $2500 aweek and you can go to any show
in LA. You can meet all these stars.
You got the chance to meet, you know, Oscar De La Hoya and all
these people. Da, da, da.
I'm like, and then finally afterI finally like told God, like,
you know what, they're right. I apologize.
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I'm going to be I'm still going to be a soldier for you.
It's a producer. They're like, hey, listen, we
know that that was a tough deal or whatever.
We were going to, you know, justmove on.
But there's so many people protesting like.
Over this this. Show they're not even going to
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watch the show anymore like even, you know, even the the,
the, the, the, the papers here in LA and stuff are like like
what the heck is going on like this?
That wasn't right. That kid won it because we so
even before the show airs like like the audience of the fight
we're like stars and stuff like movie stars from LA like they
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yeah, yeah, yeah. So they were like what like that
dude was killing him. How did he lose that fight?
He he was winning the whole fight.
Like what are you guys doing? This ain't right.
Oh, you guys probably did it because he's a black kid and
that's not crazy knock. Was right after you.
Right after. Surrendered it again.
Right after I surrendered it, man.
So powerful. Yeah, verbally voice activated.
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Remember that, man, You can speak blessings and curses into
your life. But just what?
About the thoughts, do you thinkthose are just isn't?
Do you try to work on positive thoughts as well?
Yeah, you work on positive thoughts, but what people don't
understand is, is that only onlygot so the devil.
If you speak things or you show like mannerisms that are are,
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you know, like you're downtrodden or whatever, Satan
can pick up on that, right? What's what's downtrodden?
Or like what do you mean by mannerisms?
Like, like like like you're like, like something.
Happened. Oh, like like sulking or
something? Or.
Man, he's like, like, you know, there's, there's spiritual
warfare going on around us at all times.
You know what I'm saying? All around, Like if if you saw
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it, it'd be like, like it would scare the heck out of us.
People that are really enlightened can see it, you
know, like like, like that's whyyou got to be careful when you
pray and you cast demons and stuff like that.
If you're not ready, if you're not well versed in the word,
like those things can turn on you as well.
You know, you can create a, you know, a fight with a, with a,
with something in that where you're going to need to be
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prayed over and stuff, right. But anyway, so going back to
what to to what I was saying, being downtrodden and
everything, Satan can see your outer experience or whatever.
If you really think about your life, This is where I am now in,
in my life, right? Satan gets to a point where he
tries the same trick all the time.
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Like, oh, what things are going good for this guy?
Flat tire. Oh, Dang it, man.
Oh, I was on my way to work and I got to fight.
Oh, oh man, my car is broke down.
Oh, I hate life. But then if you really think
about it, what happened three years ago, when things are going
good, your car stopped working and then you start seeing the
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pattern of of these things. You're like, you know what man,
next time I park my car stops working.
I'm just going to be like, so. That's mine.
Because a lot of times people don't understand the struggle is
at it's worst right before the blessing, before I got put on
the on on the next great champ, I lost my first home.
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I had to move my family, my my two kids, my my son, my daughter
and and my wife, my ex-wife, my wife at the time.
We had to move back into the room that I used to stay in high
school, like my high school room.
I'm in there with my whole family at my mom's house or
whatever, right? And I'm like, man, I can get no
lower than this. But one night my brother comes
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over and and we're watching the Kings game 2004.
He's like, yeah, yeah, I'm tired, man.
You know, I'm going to just sleep right here on the couch.
Like, OK, boom. I go upstairs.
My cousin is also my cousin fromAlabama is, is also living at my
mom's house. He's coming out like getting a
job and and getting on his feet too.
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And then all of a sudden I wake up in the morning.
I hear my my cousin runs to my room.
Oh, let's come, Vaughn. Vaughn ain't waking up.
He ain't waking up. I go down and my brother died in
his sleep, right. So I look, I lose my house, my
brother dies in his sleep. Damn.
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I'm like, I'm like man, like it's like a real like I don't
even like, you know, like a a pinch me or a punch me type
moment, You know, sound like, like at the time I'm a I'm an
amateur fighter. I got like like I'm nine and one
as an amateur or whatever, right.
And, and I'm like, I'm like, Lord, like I go on my run that
morning anyway. And I'm like, and I'm just, you
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know, a lot of people talk aboutspiritual walks.
I, I used to do spiritual runs, right?
I'm running, I'm just talking toGod.
I'm like, listen, I know you saythat you would never give
anybody anything that they can'thandle.
And like, the more you give us that, that it seems like it's
overwhelming. It's because of what you think
that we, how powerful you actually think that we are.
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I'm like. Wow dude I've never heard it put
like that. Yeah, but I'm like, but dude,
yeah, way too far. Yeah, yeah.
I'm like, I'm like, I talk to God.
Like, just like I'm talking to my, my, my best friend because
that's what he is, right? I'm like, hey, I can't take no
more like seriously. Like, I don't know where I'm
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going to go from this. Like I'm trying to hold it
together because I have to be strong for my mom.
I have to be strong for my, my family right now.
I'm like, but come on, man. This that really knocked the
wind out of me. And then after that boom, you
know, we had we buried my brother reality show.
Go win my next 20 fights as a pro, you know, world title.
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Like, but see, like from the outside looking in, people might
think like, oh man, just dude, like, you know, like, like
people tell me, oh, you were, you were you had a cup of coffee
in the NFL. You, you won these world titles.
You won a reality show. A life is easy for you like no,
no man like everybody has a struggle man and you just have
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to like see it through so. So when your brother passed,
were you able to say like, dude,thank you, Like I I got I'm glad
I got to know him this long. How did you?
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Well, like anybody, anybody that's listening to those, my
brother Levon was like he was, he was a he was such, he was as
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close as you could get to an Angel on earth.
And, and, and now looking back as a mature person, like so
people always think like, oh, this person died.
Dah dah, dah, I hate God or whatever.
No, the reward is not earth. The reward is heaven.
So even if you went to heaven right now, if someone let and
and you and you were like, oh, they were like, Hey, I'm going
to give you a pass. Here's Avip ticket to heaven.
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Go up there and and grab your loved ones and come and bring
them back on earth. If you went up there, they'd be
like, get the heck out of here. I don't want to I'm in heaven.
Like what are you talking about?Like, like I've already passed
the test. I'm I'm I'm here.
You know what I'm saying? Like like you know what I'm
saying? So, so with with with that, I
say there's only been, if I'm not mistaken, 3 people in the in
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the word Elijah. Well, you know, some people say
you're not Job that lived blameless lives, right.
And then they were like God thought that Job was such a a a
great testimony to faith and belief in him that he just took
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him like, you know, to heaven. Elijah was walking with God and
a walking on a road and and justgot swept up in into heaven.
Right. So I'm not saying that I'm not
saying my brother was a higher being or anything like that.
Don't get me wrong but. He might have been.
The fact that I mean, we never know the fact that like all the
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stuff that that that, that that he taught me in life and the
fact that he was he died in the sleep.
So many people get murdered, youknow, chopped up with axes shot.
Like he just like he looked so peaceful, even even laying there
when the paramedics came out sitting there this like
intensely, just like, you know, just days just staring at him.
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But he just looked like he was still asleep.
He just never woke up from asleep.
You know, when they when they did the autopsy, they just said
that that there was nothing thatthey could find it.
But his his organs were sparkling.
You know, there was no like drugs or anything in there or
whatever. His his heart just simply
stopped, right. So, so yeah.
So yeah, those are the. Dang, that's a lot to be.
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Grateful. It's crazy to say that, but
yeah. So then so then that that caused
me so when I I used to be a verymaterialistic person, like
anybody knows that like I had tolike you ever hear the song by
Kanye when he was like, I can't even go to the store without a
shirt with a team or someone's is clean.
That was me all day, right. Like, well, we go to the store.
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Oh, I got to iron a crease and put this on.
I got to have the, the Cadillac with the 20 twos and you know,
I'm mobbing and everything. Like, so after that, like
materialistic stuff was like, like whatever, you know, I just
wrecked. I just wrecked my, my Hellcat.
What like what like on the the 12th or whatever, like, like
people were like, oh man, what are you going to do?
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I'm not dad, you know, I'm like,I'm just praising the Lord.
I'm alive. Rather like I got hit from
behind at 60 mph. Like I'm like, you think I'm
worried about a car? Like, you know what I'm saying?
So. So yeah.
That's so crazy man. What do you think this the thing
that like, galvanized your faiththe most was?
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How blameless my brother is in life like.
Blameless. Yeah, yeah.
Like, like when I look back on on everything, like at his
funeral, he had two friends, oneout here and one in Alabama,
right. When the people that from the
community that came and talked about him, I was like, that's
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the kind of legacy I want to leave, you know, like, I want
people to be like, Oh, this guy,Oh, he gave like I was walking
one day and he and he came in and and and, and, and, and, and
take the groceries in for me or I didn't have money for the bus
and he gave me money for the busor, you know, like, like, like
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stuff like that, You know, like our, I remember I was feeling
bad because we, because you know, Cordova was the, you know,
state, you know, highly ranked football team.
I, I lost the game for us and everyone else was like, Ah,
you're a loser. And then Drake came up and was
like, hey, man, it's going to beall right, you know, like stuff
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like that, you know, so I'm like, man, like I want people to
talk about me like that. So that really that really
changed me. Like it, it, it stopped me.
It, it took the eye out of the equation, you know, but there's
like I shared with you, there's been other things like my
brother dying Liberty going through what she went through my
older brother dying on a, on a motorcycle accident.
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Tracy, because so I gave my life.
I, I rededicated. I was always a Christian.
I was baptized and everything. I rededicated my life to, to
Christ with Liberty. I made myself a stronger
Christian with, with Lavon like,with my brother passing because
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I'm like, yo man, like. And sorry, is Lavon the younger
in the sleep or the older with the no?
No, he, he's the older brother, but but he died 1st and he died
in the sleep. And then when, when my brother
Tracy Ladon had a motorcycle accident in Lake Barry Essa and
and died, he was outstanding father, you know, so I, I like
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made sure like I like I did whatI needed to do for all my kids.
Like, you know, he had every like when you looked at him, I'm
like, oh man, what what is it that that we have to, you know,
make up for like, you know, oh, his funeral was paid for.
Oh, he, he already has a trust one set up for his daughter.
Wow. Oh, he I'm like, oh, yeah, he he
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had this for the, for the wife. I'm like, I'm like, man, like I
got to be a better man in my family, you know?
Get responsible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
How often do you pray and read the Bible?
All the time, man. Daily.
Yeah, daily. But not Even so.
This is where people understand.Like, you don't formally have to
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like a prayer. Like like, like, like, like I
said, I'm, I'm, I'm praying while I'm, I'm doing road work.
You know what I'm saying? Like, like, like I'm talking to
to to God, like on the drive. Like so you're not worried about
formal prayers? No, and like no, we have a
relationship with the most high.Like like right now I can, I can
just you know what I'm saying and, and talk to them or I can
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have a thought, you know, or, orI'm listening to a song or
whatever. Like, so like the word says,
pray without ceasing, like you should never see sprain because
you don't know what's going on in the spiritual realm does next
for you, you know so. Wow.
And so I assume obviously you pray for guidance at times.
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How do you hear? Like how do you get your
guidance? Like where do you hear back from
God? Well, I'm going to tell you when
you really want to answer from God, you need to, to cleanse
yourself right spiritually. You need to, to pray that first
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that, that, that, that forgiveness for your sins acts,
you know, 28 right, Like you say, Lord, right now, forgive me
for all my sins and all my trespasses against my neighbors
and, and cleanse me because I want you to hear me.
You know what I'm saying? I want you to I want I don't
want just to fall on deaf ears and I'm going to live
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righteously until you do hear it, you know, so you might go
into a fast, you may, you know, go into a, a, a closet.
You might not come out the housefor days.
You know, this is the stuff thatwe used to do when, when liberty
was going through through her situation, you know, like, like
we literally like, like, Yo, I can't play around right now.
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My, my daughter needs my prayer.Like for real, for real.
You know, So that's, that's how you make sure that the Lord
hears you, because if he tells you that in a word, that, that
if you live righteously and you ask him for, for something, he
can't deny you, you know, but but you, but so many people is
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like, oh, oh, can I have this? Can I have it?
It's not like a, A wish list, right?
And then all of a sudden it's like, what, it's been a week.
I ain't get it up. And it was like, he's just
sitting there like, OK, whatever, you know what I'm
saying? And then, and then there's
stuff, there's certain stuff that you might be praying for
that that would, would like if if you're 18 and you're paying
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praying for a Ferrari, he might not, he might not get you that
Ferrari because that Ferrari might be the very thing that
kills you. You know what I'm saying that a
lot of people don't understand that either.
There's been things that that I that I've been asking the the
Lord for when I was younger. Then I look back and I go,
you're a comedian. Yeah, you're a comedian guy.
Because if I'd have did that like, Oh my God, you know, like,
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you know what I'm saying? So.
So, yeah. So I just humble myself.
I go to him and I just, you know, I asked for, for things
or, or ask him to really, I don't ask for anything to tell
the truth anymore. I just, I just asked for him to
draw his bloodline around my family and keep us away from
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these satanic things in the world and, and you know, and
cover us with all with the bloodof Jesus.
And, and, and I I pray for for health, not not for wealth.
Like all this other stuff is materialistic.
You know what? I'm saying you don't know that
until you face. The and he'll always give you
enough to survive, you know, like my mother's a walking
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testimony and that like I'm telling you like I used to this
woman like, oh, hey, we don't got no food right now.
Lord, what are we going to do? Like and I'm like, I'm a kid at
the door. Like, yeah, we got no food, but
then surely tomorrow I'm eating breakfast.
I'm like, what did you say? We didn't have food.
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We got, we got all kind of food,you know?
Like and it came in like a miraculous, unexpected way or
something. Yeah, because he will always
take care. Of the producer knocking.
On the door, yeah, yeah. The righteous will always
thrive, you know so. How do you handle and this
genuine question, this is all brand new for me.
I told you before, I'll kind of share with the audience.
Like when my daughter got cancer, I, I didn't have like a
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super strong religious foundation or background or
belief, but I definitely severedwhatever was there and said I'm
done. Like middle finger whatever
explored for years, checked it all out the East, the, the
Buddhism, the, the new age, the,the source energy, the, you
know, the hippie stuff and felt very vulnerable alone.
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And I felt all of a sudden like I was seeking safety in crystals
and weird stuff like that. And I'm like, that's when I woke
up. Like, OK, now I need another
crystal to counteract this crystal and amplify this.
I'm like, I'm lost. I'm lost.
And so dude prayed for me After the podcast, I felt I, the Holy
Spirit entered. It's still uncomfortable to talk
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about, but now I, I, I, I, I'm an overthinker.
And so if I fall short or make amistake or quote like sin, I
feel like, well, I, I screwed the whole thing up.
Like it's all, it's all done now.
How do you handle when you fall short and you're still trying to
be righteous and you're praying for something super important?
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For me, I'm like, I just blockedit off.
I blocked the Holy Spirit because I, I sinned.
Like how do you handle that? Oh, no, no, no, it's not.
It's not like that, man. It's it's So what it is, is is
we are all creatures of sin likenot none of us are are above
reproach. You know what I'm saying?
So so even even even like peoplethat are on fire for Jesus
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tomorrow, like they call it seasons, right?
Like you might be on fire for for the word this season and you
might be like one of the most the worst tyrants in the next
season. The important thing is, is that
that you, you come to the Lord and you and you accept Jesus
Christ as your Savior. You know that you're baptized.
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But even if you're not, if you're not baptized, that you
need to just accept Jesus into your heart because you have
already been baptized. Even if you, like, you probably
haven't been physically baptized, but you were baptized
in the Holy Spirit. That's what you felt that day
when you felt when you told me about that experience.
So you've already been baptized in the Holy Spirit.
Now you cannot deny that who Godis.
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No you cannot. That was very obvious.
Yeah, yeah, that was. So when you fall short or
whatever, you just go back and you and you just ask him for
forgiveness and you get up and you get back on the horse and
try again. That's it.
That's it. That's what it is.
That's why like, like you had a a, a chance to study all these
religions and everything as I went in.
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Not as deep as you did. Yeah, world religion in college.
But when you do that kind of stuff, I used, I used to have
myself wondering, like, so thesepeople think that a spaceship
pulled up and and da, da, da, you know what I'm saying?
And these people think that thisisn't that.
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But then when I tell them about Christianity, they say it's a
it's a, it's a book of fairy tales.
Like it is almost like people like, like how you say it like,
like, oh, I got to have this rock and then I got to have that
rock and and this rock has to always be over here.
My shoe has to be turned this way.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it's like you, you willing
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to do all of that stuff, but allGod just is asking you for is,
is the is is, is the way to him is through his son and you can't
and you don't even want to do that.
Like it's all right in front of you.
So a lot of times the most simplest stuff is in life is
right in front of us. You know, I tell myself that all
the time, every time I'm going through a bunch of hardship or
whatever, I'm like, hold up, hold up.
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I'm looking over here and over there.
There it is. And I and I and I just, you
know, go back and I had a lot ofexperiences and everything.
I haven't figured it all out. You know, I'm not saying that,
but I, I right now, I feel like I'm, I'm entering that, that
golden era that I always saw allthe deacons and everything when
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I was a kid, like, you know, when they used to be in church
in their suit and smoking a cigar outside or, or whatever.
Nice to be like, I wonder what they're thinking about.
I like, I feel like I'm enteringthat, that area area right now,
you know? So, so, yeah, that's sick, dude.
Yeah, whatever you're not whatever you're tapped into.
You just explained it. But God, that you'd I I feel it
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with you, dude. And I, I really believe and
trust what you're saying becauseI have read what you've been
through. I'm talking to you now.
It, it just feels, it feels goodto be able to ask these kind of
things. Man.
I appreciate you sharing so openly.
Thanks for having me on man I I think this is a is a great
thing, man. I really do and I really think
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that you have an outstanding testimony and it's it's great
what what the Lord is using you for like this.
This information era is so many times people use it for things
that you know aren't Kingdom principle at all, you know, but
but you for you to you know, be a be a new Christian or and and
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everything and and just coming into the the light and and and
having so am I such a powerful, you know, AM.
IA Christian like is that is that what this I'm open to
whatever dude. Like whatever I felt that day
where that guy prayed for me wasso like I get emotional talking
about it, but I really felt something enter me that felt
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more good than I've ever experienced.
And I've done, you know, sought every drug, every adrenaline
thing. And but then I get caught up in
the the one way, like the only way to God is through the
father. And then I think, well, my
friends that don't believe this,are they going to I get lost
intellectually, which is clearlysome kind of trick that my brain
plays or whatever. But damn it, I don't remember
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what I was going to say about that, but yeah, I mean, I'm,
I've been hesitant to say like I'm religious or I'm a Christian
or but. One thing I have to tell you
though, because you said it a couple Times Now, and I want to
make sure that that that everyone listening knows this
too. Religion is brushing your teeth
everyday. Religion is something that
that's one thing that I always turn me off about other
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religious followings and, and stuff like like if when they
pray, it's like like, oh, we getdown, we stand up, we turn
right, we turn left, we do the Macarena like, you know, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. So that is religion.
Like something that you go through without feeling every
day. Oh, I, I got to wake up, I got
to wash my face, I got to brush my teeth, I got to comb my hair,
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I got to put 1 foot in this thing.
Boom, boom, boom. I, I do 50 pushups and then I'm
like, that's religion. When you have a spiritual
connection with the most high, like it's deeper as you felt,
you know, like it's, it's it's real.
Like I don't have to formally goover it and talk to a priest
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that say Hail Mary's for me. I can just be like Lord, like,
come on, man. Like, like I find myself like,
you know, telling like, like even laughing like, like going
oh, OK, like, so I thought I wasgoing to get this and all right,
you, you did this, all right, big laugh on me, right.
Like, you know, like you got to have a like, you got to just
have a just be, be real. You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so no matter what, like even
if you want to don't want to define yourself as as a
Christian or whatever, just justsay, just say that like, hey, I
have a relationship with God. You know what I'm saying?
Like people think that you have to be all for my, I'm I'm a
Baptist. I'm this, I'm that.
Like, no, I'm a follower of the Most High, Yeah.
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If that's what that's what has happened to me or is happening
and like I'm a I'm, I'm cool with that man.
Like this feels way better than where I was a few months ago.
There's no question that God, I don't know why it's still hard
to say, but God came in and, youknow, did something to me.
I'm I'm down. If that's that's I don't care.
And then with this podcast, since then, the messaging that
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has been coming through here hastotally changed more towards God
type talks and and this like setit off into a whole new level.
So if this needs, if this is supposed to be used to broadcast
Christianity, like I'm down for that too.
Like whatever, whatever helps the most people.
So thanks for sharing all that man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you, if you just, I mean, if
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you ask him if, if you just say,hey, use me as as as an
instrument, however you're goingto have me and you just let him
do it. You know what I'm saying?
You don't even, don't even stress on it.
That's what I do. I'm like, OK, well I thought I
was supposed to be here, but that bombed.
Okay, what's next? Do you?
Get. Like whenever you say something
that I know is good and like I should, I keep talking about me.
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The show isn't about me, but I'mlearning here.
So like, I feel myself almost start crying and I'm like okay,
yeah. It feels like a guy, dude, it
feels like like when you said that like, hey, let just let him
do it. Have him tell him you'll be an
instrument and step back. It was like almost like, and
that's going to happen in this whole conversation.
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Do you get that? And do you feel like that's oh.
Yeah, there's been a couple times even here in this, this,
this interview, like so people were like, what, what are you
crying? Like why are you getting misty
eye? Why are you crying?
This happened 20 years ago or whatever.
When I think about everything that I went through, like, you
know, with my brother and everything or, or with my
daughter, I know that this is real.
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And I, and I really look back and I see how powerful he worked
in my life. And I'm like, and I'm still
thanking him, you know what I'm saying?
I'm like, wow, like in the middle of talking to you, I'm
like, oh man, that really did happen.
Oh, I, I remember sitting in that room and now I have, you
know, multiple properties and stuff.
You know what I'm saying? Like, Oh, I remember doing this
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and now my, my daughter graduated high school this week,
you know, like, so it's like. Yeah, that's awesome, man.
Any, any other story you want totell or testimony you want to
give input, advice. So people that watch this, I I
can tell by the comments and themessages.
And then of course, there's analytics you can look at, but
they're maybe, I don't know, maybe it's weird to talk about,
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but they're the generally appears to be younger men like,
and women kind of looking for, hey, what are these older folk
doing to get through hard times and stuff and anything you want
to say to them. Yeah, you know, just listen, no
matter what you are, are are going through or, or, or
whatever you're doing in life, like everybody knows right from
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wrong. You know what I'm saying?
Like no matter if you call it Christianity or being a Buddhist
or Karma or, you know, or, or Islam or whatever, you know
right from wrong. So if you know right from wrong
and you live righteously, even if you don't have it figured
out, like who's sitting at the top of this, this hierarchy or,
or whatever good things happen to good people.
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So live righteously. You know, people that are, are,
are energy suckers or are alwaystrying to bring you into the, to
something that that is this, that you feel different about or
evil or uncomfortable about. Cut them off, you know, shake
your tree loose and, and keep moving like always wake up and,
and try to be a better person. And if you do that, like I said,
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good things happen to good people.
Do you, you know what else with this, it kind of feels like
there's a plan and like if there's a bigger purpose to life
or something, like we're all here for a reason and things are
going and how they should go. Do you relate to that at all?
We definitely all here for a reason, you know, and, and a lot
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of times there's multiple reasons, you know, and, and many
more than than not, it's it's the reason that we don't even
know that we're here from you know, if, if you would have told
me when I was a, a fat kid in Alabama that looked like a
little girl. Like.
That I would be like, you know, like this dude that was on a
reality show and, and this top fighter and, and win
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championships and stuff like that.
I've been like, man, get up out of here, man.
Like, like, I don't even know where Sacramento is.
Like where in Sacramento? I thought LA was the capital of
California, You know, like, like, you know what I'm saying?
Like, come on, get out of here, you know?
But so you never know what tomorrow brings.
You know, you get like, I alwaystell people a joke.
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They're like, oh, how do you feel today or whatever?
I'm like, hey, I woke up. I got one more chance to win the
lottery, But what I mean is like, hey, I don't know what's
going to happen today, you know,like, but but I'm, I'm, I'm
positive that it's going to be something pretty good because I
and even and even if, if, if something bad happens, I've
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learned through experience that that doesn't mean sometimes you
got to go backwards to go forward, you know?
Yeah, dude, that's. I think that's that's mind
blowing that you can anticipate bad in life and you just know
I'm still going to make good with it.
I'm still going to have positivethoughts, positive words, and
that's. That's the power of the time,
the power of the time. I just had this memory from the
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show. So like they used to do drive by
interviews or whatever, right? And, and Muhammad Al Mahmoud is
a is a guy that I end up fighting on on the show.
He's one of the contestants and he was from Lebanon.
And, and I get my story and I'm like, Oh, yeah, man, you know,
you know, times have been rough,you know, lost my house, like,
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my brother died, like, damn, youknow, like, whatever, man.
You know, like life is kicking my butt.
But you know, I'm here, you know, like.
And they're, they're like, oh, yeah, man, you know, like pat on
the back. And I'm like, yeah, nobody has
it rougher to me. I'm walking off, Right.
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So then I'm waiting. And Muhammad gets interviewed.
You're like, oh, so you're from Lebanon.
Like, they're like, yeah, yeah. He's like, they're like, how'd
you end up moving to Orlando, FL?
Oh, well, you know, we lived in Beirut, and it was on nonstop
war there. And I remember stuff like my
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uncle walking us to school and getting snatched by some people
into bushes and getting and getting his body chopped up and
right in front of us. And.
And then they tell us to get outof here.
And I'm like, whoa. And then he goes.
He goes. But then, you know, he had a
whole bunch of stories like that.
He goes. But then, you know, they gave
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us, what do they call it, asylum.
Oh, OK, yeah. Yeah, we were refugees.
They gave us asylum and we movedto Orlando and they gave the
government, gave my family enough money to start a store.
So my, my, my, my dad is, is working at the store and
everything. So life got good.
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It got. And I'm like, I'm like, oh,
yeah, OK, yeah, yeah, OK. And then he goes.
And then one day someone came inand and robbed the the store.
They shot my dad and and paralyzed him.
And then he and then he end up being paralyzed for, for life.
And I'm like, thank my God, like.
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And then so the more the story is somebody always has it worse
than you. Like do not go around like, oh,
nobody has the worst me. Oh.
Or even nobody, like somebody staying grateful.
Yes, through more pain. Yes, because that dude never
said one. He never threw one pity party
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that whole show, even after he lost to me he was just like Oh
well I guess it wasn't in it like all.
I didn't think that that I was was, you know, was wasn't for
me. It wasn't for me.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like I was just like, like,
damn, you know what I'm saying? Like here I am in a, in a, in a,
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in a, in a, in the hotel room. That's how I feel right now.
Oh, that's good, you know. Dude, you're a good storyteller,
man. You wrote a book, right?
Did you write a book? Oh.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I wrote a book.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. A love story, but yeah.
But it was, it was it was. It was good.
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You got you got you. You should check it out, have
your wife and your daughters read it because it really is, is
the is the book of about women empowerment.
Like, you know, actually from what we're talking about, like,
like women that that don't, you know, know where they are,
always feel like, like, you know, people are knocking them
down and stuff because it's a very chauvinistic of world.
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Like, you know, it gives you a light that, you know, if you
hold truth and you, you know, push up and push on and and
continue that this is a long life.
And at the end of the day, you might be, you know, a woman that
is, you know, all of a sudden, you know, you're living in one
of the biggest mansions and controlling, you know, this,
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this business and everything because somebody saw something
in you, you know what I'm saying?
So like, and she started off working like all she wanted to
do is get a job as a manager at McDonald's.
He went down to interview for a job as a manager at McDonald's.
And she was walking by a millionaire saw her in a because
she overdressed for the interview.
Like you were a a pants suit andeverything like her mom wanted
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her to look good. So she bought her like a this
interview outfit and then millionaire Caesar walking by
and like, Hey, what did did you just go on at McDonald's for an
interview or what? What Like why?
What are you a business woman? And she's like walking like,
don't talk to me like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And kind of find out, man, he's like he's she ignores him and
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walks off. He calls the McDonald's.
He owns the McDonald's. Like that's only one of the
things that he owns in this, in this huge city, you know, So
he's like, hey, what was that Lady in there for, you know, So,
you know, you never know who's watching man, or, or what, or
what's what's happening in, in this, in this spiritual warfare
and everything that's going on around you, like, you know, or
what blessings are being spoken into existence.
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You know what I'm saying? Like, like, believe it or not,
like even we were just talking about slavery.
Like imagine how many prayers and everything were being said
when these people were being like, you know, like, like
beaten or, or, or like they didn't understand why they were
taken from their homes and, and all this stuff, right?
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So it takes a while for generations for these things
that manifest. You feel what I'm saying?
Like these prayers, like, like alot of people don't understand
like, oh, like, why is it this guy's life going so well?
He, he, he's the number one musician or he's the best actor
or whatever. Intercessor prayer is one of the
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strongest things that you can do.
So that's when, when you enter you, you can come in between God
and, and someone else on their behalf.
Like meaning like, like what my mom does for me every morning
and, and I, and I start doing itfor my kids.
Like Lord, like, you know, I, I,I just want you to bless my, my
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child, have every their, their, their steps being on holy ground
this morning. Don't let any, you know, weapon
be formed against them. Like boom, boom, boom, every day
years, you know, all on and on and on.
Before that. Her mom used to do that.
So that's why she, you know, that's why I, that's when my
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kids, you know what I'm saying? So, so like it, it might not
happen tomorrow, you know what I'm saying?
But, but it's a, it's, it's likea, like, it's like I tell people
all the time when the, the best things to do is, is take
whatever little money that you have and don't be a, a day
trader, right? But, but compound interest,
right? So if you got time and you got
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like, let's say you got $40,000 and you're like, OK, I'm putting
this $4000, just a little bit ofcompound interest for the next
40 years. Like I'm I'm 20 right now.
When you're 60, that $40,000 is going to be like $4 million.
You. Know what I'm saying?
Like, so that's kind of what intercessive prayer is.
You know, it's like I'm praying now.
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Hey, it might not, nothing, may not happen in my lifetime, but
my grandkid Lord, if you could bless them, you know what I'm
saying? Like that kind of stuff.
Yeah. Yeah. 10 I love it man.
Thank you dude. Thanks for.
Having me you want to like pray over the show and just.
Yeah, definitely. All right.
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Definitely, really, definitely. Come on.
Lord, we come to you as I said earlier.
Lord, we ask that you not let these prayers fall in their
fears. We ask that you forgive us of
our trespasses and our sins, Lord, that you wash us clean.
Lord, right now You hear my voice under you.
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Lord, you said with three and people, more people gathered.
Your presence is there, Lord. So we know that you are here.
We know that you hear us. Father.
We ask that right now that you bless Brother Trevor's hands,
Lord, that you bless us all, Lord.
You keep us walking on the holy ground, Lord.
That you take Carly father and, and, and, and her daughter,
father and you continue to blessthem and bless their household.
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Father, you take M what is it, Marlene?
And, and you bless her grandchild right now.
Lord, it needs your, your, your blessings over her as she's in
medical conditions. Father, we ask that you take
your hand right now, Lauren and you just wipe it over her Lauren
and give her a clean bill of health.
Lord, we ask that you also rightnow go into Brother Trevor's
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life, Lord, and that you, you, you wipe all of his, his, his
guilt and his spirits away, Father, that you continue to, to
strengthen his household, Father.
You draw to your bloodline of Jesus around him and his family,
Lord, and his property, Father, and you bless his hands right
now, Lord, that all of these things that are going out, Lord,
he's using that his life, Lord and, and, and your word Father
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to bless the masses, Lord, through this, through this
podcast, Lord. And we ask that you just keep
growing it, Father, and make it bigger than life, Lord, and and
that he would give you the glory, Father.
And your name, Jesus Christ is strengthens us.
Amen.
Dude, you've seen horrific pain and you've rebuilt from rock
bottom like 3 or 4 times. We lost like twins.
We lost a son. Our daughter of Liberty was was
born premature. She only weighed 12 ounces.
I'm running one day. I get blood clots in my heart,
like in my lungs. Doctors all around me going
like, how are you even alive? I lose my house.
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My brother dies in his sleep. And I told the Lord I was like,
hey, if you get us through this,I'm yours.
Religion is brushing your teeth every day.
When you have a spiritual connection with the Most High,
it's deeper as you felt. Dude prayed for me after the
podcast, I felt the Holy Spirit enter.
It's still uncomfortable to talkabout, but really felt something
enter me that felt more good than I've ever experienced.
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And I've done, you know, sought every drug, every adrenaline
thing. And but then I get caught up in
the the one way. How do you get your guidance?
Like where do you hear back fromGod?
This universe is voice activated, that's why in the
Bible that says that your tongueis a sword.
Just like you can speak good into your life, you can speak a
cursed in your life. If if something bad happens,
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I've learned through experience that sometimes you got to go
backwards to go forward. That's mind blowing that you can
anticipate bad in life and you just know I'm still going to
make good with it. I'm still going to have positive
thoughts, positive words, and that's.
That's the time, the power of the time.
If you would have told me when Iwas a fat kid in Alabama that
looked like a little girl like that, I would be like, you know,
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like this dude that was on a reality show and, and this top
fighter and win championships and stuff like that.
I mean, like, man, get up out ofhere, man.
Like, yeah, when I when I first got put on the reality show, the
next great champ, like I, it seems like, you know, with, with
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all the editing and stuff, it seems like all I was talking
about was Jesus 24/7. But really I was just living my
regular life, like how, how I just was explaining to you, like
I get up, I read the Proverbs, Iread, you know, Psalms or
whatever. And then I read whatever I'm
going to read that day. You know, I was praying like
for, for God to work and, and have me win the competition and
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everything. So I was just doing what I do.
But then they like, you know, we're like, oh, like on me,
like, oh, this guy is just aboutChrist at all times.
Yeah. Yeah.
But that was good because like you said, the Mass is like, you
got over 6 million people watching this show, like, and
you want it. Yeah.
Yeah. And the Mass. 20 and oh right.
So it's like, hey, what what about that, that God thing?
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You know, what about that Jesus thing?
Yeah, dude, your, your testimony, life story, whatever
is I try not to over prepare so I can like, you know, have, but
I couldn't not keep diving. And dude, you've seen horrific
pain and amazing. You've rebuilt from rock bottom
like 3 or 4 times and the crazy story of how you got into boxing
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after the locker room scuffle. And there's just, I don't even
know, like I, I, I'm really excited to talk to you dude, and
I appreciate you sharing out front with me and, and talking
about Jesus and God and stuff. And where does your story start?
Man, it, it really, it really starts in a, in a, a real
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nowhere town like outside of Troy, AL called Brundage,
Alabama. It's in Pike County, you know,
Griffin family, you know, we have a lot of athletes in in
education there, you know, they call it an antique city, you
know, because it's just like. Like little boutique shops and
stuff. Boutique shops.
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It looks like a old western, like we got 2 lights in the
whole town and everything. And it just comes from, you
know, sharecroppers, you know, after we talked about slavery
and everything. But after, after slavery, my, my
family, you know, hooked up with, with some, some Irish
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people, settlers, us, how we getthe name Griffin.
And then my, my cousins are of course, Patterson's my hands,
you know, Lampley, you know, things of that nature, like so
it's we began to sharecrop and from sharecropping, you know,
got into education, education, you know, praising the Lord the
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whole way, you know, and then from education, sports, and then
all of a sudden we got people, you know, making it into the NFL
and, and doing things of that nature.
And then that's what happens, man, every generation just
getting better and better and tothe point where now, you know,
even in with my kids, I got likea a, a a NASA worker doctor, you
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know, state worker musician coming up, you know, like.
That's sick. What?
What was your home environment like?
The siblings 22 parents togetherlike what was the?
Well, my, my mom married my, my stepfather when I was a, a
senior in high school. So, but before that I was, she
was a single parent, you know, but highly educated, you know,
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like she actually gets her PhD, No, excuse me, doctoring in
theology next Saturday. She has a double masters, double
bachelors and, and APHD, you know, computer science.
She's worked for the IRS, she's worked for franchise tax, just
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just like, you know, like a really just resilient character.
And I remember just, you know, being a kid and you know how you
walk past your parents room or whatever and, and it kind of
like what scared me because I would be eavesdropping, just
being nosy, but she'd be like inthere praying and she'd be
crying and she'd be like, Lord, I don't know how we're going to
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make it. I don't have this, I don't have
that, you know, and it just mademe a stronger person.
You know what I'm saying? Like in in doing that and I'm.
Stronger in your face. Oh yeah, strong in my face
because I'm like, man, if she really is is, you know, like.
Leaning. On this and and then somehow
we're still making it like it's it's crazy so it went from there
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to her getting job offers in other states or whatever we like
move and because she's, you know, got such this this great
education and and everything on paper, right.
This is before, you know, Skyping and, and, and you know,
you know, you don't know who The, Who the person is.
They just their, their resume is, is on paper and it speaks
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for itself. So like, Oh yeah, get over here.
We go out to, you know, Georgia,we go out to New Jersey or
whatever. And, and people would see that
she was the black lady. And they be like, actually like
the job is taken, you know, likewe made a mistake and like,
like, wow, it's crazy. So then finally, you know, we
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moved to California. A.
Little easier out here with thatI.
Got on with, with, with Sacramento, with, with franchise
techs, you know, with the and everything and went all the way
to the top, made it became a Bureau director and things of
that nature. And, you know, just been in the
church and in the Word ever since until, you know, as far as
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I can think, you know, so. And so young, you saw, like,
hard times in life, desperately reaching out, and then things
would work out from that. Yeah, that's really cool.
Faith, incredible blind faith, you know, and it was it was even
going back myself, I've almost died like 7 times in my life.
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I was, when I was born, I had bacteria, meningitis and
everything right so. I only knew about 1-7, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and what happened was like,
my mom was like, I was a very sickly child, like probably from
from zero to like 12, you know, and my mom just, you know, with
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the faith and praying and I was in the hospital like all the
time, you know, and that was, it's crazy how life is looking
back, I'm 47 now. And, and then when, when I had
children, I was married for 17 years and everything, and we
lost like, twins. We lost the son, you know, Then
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our daughter of Liberty was was born premature.
She only weighed 12 ounces, right?
Wow. Yeah.
She was born at 24 weeks in 2000.
I just had dinner with her earlier.
Today is that? Is that the musician, the NASA,
or the doctor? No, that's just she's just an
estate worker, even the death. So listen to this story.
She's a miracle. So my I was giving this
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testimony in church like maybe about 5 months ago, right?
And then my mom, after I get done, she goes well, what he
didn't know is that that was only what he went through me
was, was the only preparation. She goes, she goes.
He, he didn't even tell you whathe went through with the
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bacteria meningitis and almost dying and, and, and and being
sick, you know, until I was about 12 and grew out of it or
whatever. So Liberty was, you know, could
fit in the palm of my hand. She was one of the smallest
child. I don't know about now, but in
2000 she was the smallest child ever born in America.
And she was 24 weeks. Her gestation was the IT was
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like 24 weeks. She was supposed to die, you
know, or have cerebral palsy anda very low quality of life.
Nothing like she's she's a miracle, you know what I'm
saying? So that really horned me and I'm
like, Oh my God, like, you know,I got to really like, you know,
stay on this straight, you know,line on this faith and, and
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everything that really, you know, for for years, because we
didn't know if she was going to be strong for a moment, you
know, we and then fall off or, or, or go back into because the
doctor was always like, OK, well, you know, the the
hemorrhaging of the brain stopped.
But she's not out of the woods yet.
You know, she has a heart murmur, you know what I'm
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saying? She, she's got cerebral palsy,
you know, and. How long did that go on for that
crazy uncertainty? Probably until she's about 6:00
or 7:00. And then she had, you know, you
know, always, even right now, always afraid of like RSV and,
and asthma and stuff like that. But that's nothing compared to
like we used to and what you were saying earlier about your
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child and everything when, when like people are out here and
they, they think life is just like a given, right.
So I'll never forget us being onthe on the elevator and a couple
gets in and, and, and the family's following them and
they're like, because they're the NICU and everything right
with us and they're, and we're like, oh man, they're probably
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going through where we're going.We're just in the corner of the
elevator and they're like, man, the baby's the baby's 5 lbs.
This is, this is horrible. Like such a small baby.
And we're like, you'll be all right, you're good.
Like, are these people crazy? Like, like, Oh my God.
Like we're like, they were like,man, if they knew what we were
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going through, we had to be at the at the hospital every day.
Like our kid couldn't even come home.
Everything that a child goes through in this in the in the
womb, she had to do outside. So like for like a year, she's
in the NICU, like in an incubator and, and we got to go
in and pray over and, and stretcher and everything.
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So, yeah, so it was, it was a, that was one of the, the, the
biggest peak experiences of, of my life that that really let me
know that they're because I, youknow, prayed and and told
because I remember what my mom used to do, right?
Yeah. And, and I told the Lord I was
like, hey, if you get us throughthis, I'm yours.
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So that's what it was, man. And, and after he got us through
it, I mean, I, I just been on a mission.
Like, I'm not saying I'm holier than thou or, or whatever, but
but you know, I always give him the glory.
Yeah. So what did when you said that
like I'm yours, what did that look like after just talking
about God all the time and. Well, you have to be so you ever
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hear the the saying be careful what you pray for, right?
So, and then there's another thing too, like so a lot of
people, they, they read Bible verses and they don't look like
always when you read a Bible verse, go see the time that it
was at then the footnotes, right?
The country, because different words mean different things at
different times or whatever, right?
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And always go ahead and read thewhole passage.
Don't just get fixated on like 1little verse because you think
it's cool. Yeah, yeah.
So I, I did that. I, it was Acts 915.
I used to put it on on my boxinggear, everything, right?
Because it said, hey, this man is my chosen instrument, right?
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And I'm like, Oh yeah, I'm an instrument for God.
It's my chosen instrument. So you got to be careful what
you pray for, right? Because that passage is actually
talking about Saul. I mean, excuse me.
Yeah. Paul before he became Saul, Paul
was the the the ultimate persecutor of any Christian.
Like he was killing Christians, right?
He was shining God at, at at every corner or whatever.
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And then finally he was on the on the road to the master and he
got knocked off his horse. That's why people say, oh, get
knocked off your high horse, right?
He got struck, knocked off his horse.
And the most highest voice says,why do you persecute me?
And then he's like Lord, right? Take his eyesight, everything.
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So he had to crawl all the way into the city and go and do
exactly to the T what what God told him to do, like follow
every direction, right? Find a guy named it's either
different people pronounce it different.
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It's Anilius or, or, or Arrhenius or, or whatever,
right? And and this guy, which scares
the hell of him because he was killing Christians.
So he's like, so, so when, when God's like, Hey, Paul's going to
come to you and I want you to give him his eyesight back and
everything. This is how you're going to do.
And he's like, whoa, hold up, God, like, I'm not talking to
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this dude, You know what I'm saying?
Like, this dude is crazy. He kills people.
I'm not. I would.
Why would I give him his eyesight back?
It's it's good that he's blind 'cause now he can't, you know,
go do all these evil deeds or whatever.
But this was, excuse me, this was Saul before he became Paul.
Yeah, yeah. And yeah.
So when you read these passages,I don't want to get too far into
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the story, but you have to go back and and, and and and read
everything because I didn't knowthat in order by me picking this
path or this verse that I was going to have to go through so
much to magnify God's name. And that's just what my life has
been. But I accept it as it is, you
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know, so like going. Through stuff that's really.
Quiet like almost dying, like, you know, with my child almost
dying, you know, and then her sister was also premature.
But but, you know, technology has come so far by that time.
It was it was much easier. Like people were like, oh, you
guys have to, you know, do this.And then we're like, OK, that's
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easy compared to what we used tohave to do with her, you know?
So. Yeah, so.
So. You think these storms are for
him to like put you in a storm so that you can still proclaim
God? And.
So people can see. Dang, he's still saying that's.
What every testimony is about. That's what like I've gotten to
the point now like like, for instance, like, you know, I
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went, I went through something called long COVID or going
through it right? And, and, and I'm running one
day, I get blood clots like in my heart, like in my lungs, you
know, like if I wasn't as fit asI was, I'm dead.
You know, I go there and, and they got doctors all around me
going like, how are you even alive?
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You know, like like literally like nobody else.
Like I've never seen anything like this and everything, it's
the most high, you know what I'msaying?
So I have to, I have to give people that testimony and
everything. But what I'm saying is
everything that you go through in life is a testimony.
Like some people, like they, they go through hardship.
They, they expect like this world to be so easy or, or given
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or whatever, Or they, they thinkthat another person like,
because, you know, they got a certain car, they got a house or
whatever, that their life is just peachy.
Like you don't know that, you know, like like, like sometimes,
you know, like for instance, whowould have known that your
daughter was going through like that?
Like you people might have been like, Oh man, this guy, you
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know, he's a handsome guy. He's living the life,
motherfucker. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then they don't know like, you know, your daughter's like
dealing with cancer, you might lose the, the love of your life.
You know what I'm saying? Like, so let never, I, I, I say
to people, never turn in your playing hand because it's your
hand. You got it.
Hey, I'm going to play this handuntil I until the game is over
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because you turn in your hand. That might have been the the
luckiest hand on the on the table, you know?
So yeah. Have you ever gone through a
time where you doubted your faith or just like almost walked
it just too much F this test or what?
Well, it's funny. Not almost like there's so I
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come from a Christian background, so.
But I'm human, you know? So there's times where I'm like,
I'm like, like, I'll give you a story.
So I'm on the next great champ. Yeah, I beat Jimmy Mintz, beat
the heck out of them. They edit the video and make it
seem like it was a close fight. But if you were actually there,
like, I'm beating him easily, you know, So I'm like, well, so
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when they say, oh, he won, I'm like, what?
I don't understand. Like, now, Flash, you know, back
to where we are now. I didn't understand the grand
scheme of it. This is Hollywood, right?
Yeah. Everyone, if you look at the
show, you see this guy that usedto be a a football player in
incredible shape. You know, everyone like
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incredibly motivated, like look,feeling like he's on a mission
from God. Everyone is like, it's obvious
who's going to win the show. You know what I'm saying?
Right? So why do we even need to watch
it? So now you like as a producer,
you're like, I'm going to put some drum in there.
I'm going to make him lose. You know which?
But I mean, that happens in boxing every day anyway.
You know, people get robbed or whatever.
Jimmy is also the well, he was RIP and the son of of a former
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world champion. His brother was, was, was a
devout Christian and a great fighter.
You know, his uncle was a world champion.
You know, he was like, pretty much like the in New Orleans,
like, like the white Mayweather family, you know what I'm
saying? Like the men's family is a known
boxing family. So yeah, it, it ratings, you
know, yeah, we're going to let Jimmy win this or whatever, you
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know, like boom, boom. So I go like what people don't
understand is every episode takes like like 4 days to film.
So I go back to the the hotel and I'm like, I'm like, man, I'm
like I was in NFL door gets closed on me.
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I'm in the Arena Football League, door gets closed on me.
I'm like, I'm talking to God. I'm like Lord like Dang, like
can can I? I mean I worked so hard for
this. Can I just do?
Can I just win once? Like at least like let me have
something lean on. I'm like whatever, dude.
Like I'm like, what am I? Why am I always praying and
stuff like I'm whatever. And then I then I sit down, I'm
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like, I'm like, you know what, man, I apologize.
I was like, I'm grateful that I even got this whole opportunity
because something good is going to come out of it.
I'm going to go home and I'm Carl Don Chargon, the Hall of
Fame promoter in Sacramento, andI'm a still be a world champion.
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Thank you just for giving me theopportunity.
And and how you said the other day when, when, right when you
said something so people don't understand, like this universe
is voice activated. If you say blessings are curses,
you're you're you're that's why in the Bible it says that your
tongue is a sword, right? It's double edged, right?
You can just like you can speak,you get into your life, you can
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speak accursed in your life, right?
So by saying what I said and then giving him the glory,
literally, I got done talking. I I believe it dude.
Who the hell is this? Whatever.
This is I'm in a hotel. I'm in a hotel.
I'm off the show. I'm in like everyone else is at
on the set. I'm in a hotel.
I had just went and got my favorite Quizno sandwich.
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I'm, you know, having a pity party.
My, my sister is, is, is like, oh, hey, well, just, you know,
you're going to be all right, you know, you know, trying to,
you know, speak, you know, blessings over me.
I'm like, I want to hear that my, my wife is calling me like,
oh, you always blow up the, the spot.
Just, you know, be happy that you at least were on the show.
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Like you're getting paid $2500 aweek and you can go to any show
in LA. You can meet all these stars.
You got the chance to meet, you know, Oscar De La Hoya and all
these people. Da, da, da.
I'm like, and then finally afterI finally like told God, like,
you know what, they're right. I apologize.
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I'm going to be I'm still going to be a soldier for you.
It's a producer. They're like, hey, listen, we
know that that was a tough deal or whatever.
We were going to, you know, justmove on.
But there's so many people protesting like.
Over this this. Show they're not even going to
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watch the show anymore like even, you know, even the the,
the, the, the, the papers here in LA and stuff are like like
what the heck is going on like this?
That wasn't right. That kid won it because we so
even before the show airs like like the audience of the fight
we're like stars and stuff like movie stars from LA like they
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yeah, yeah, yeah. So they were like what like that
dude was killing him. How did he lose that fight?
He he was winning the whole fight.
Like what are you guys doing? This ain't right.
Oh, you guys probably did it because he's a black kid and
that's not crazy knock. Was right after you.
Right after. Surrendered it again.
Right after I surrendered it, man.
So powerful. Yeah, verbally voice activated.
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Remember that, man, You can speak blessings and curses into
your life. But just what?
About the thoughts, do you thinkthose are just isn't?
Do you try to work on positive thoughts as well?
Yeah, you work on positive thoughts, but what people don't
understand is, is that only onlygot so the devil.
If you speak things or you show like mannerisms that are are,
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you know, like you're downtrodden or whatever, Satan
can pick up on that, right? What's what's downtrodden?
Or like what do you mean by mannerisms?
Like, like like like you're like, like something.
Happened. Oh, like like sulking or
something? Or.
Man, he's like, like, you know, there's, there's spiritual
warfare going on around us at all times.
You know what I'm saying? All around, Like if if you saw
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it, it'd be like, like it would scare the heck out of us.
People that are really enlightened can see it, you
know, like like, like that's whyyou got to be careful when you
pray and you cast demons and stuff like that.
If you're not ready, if you're not well versed in the word,
like those things can turn on you as well.
You know, you can create a, you know, a fight with a, with a,
with something in that where you're going to need to be
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prayed over and stuff, right. But anyway, so going back to
what to to what I was saying, being downtrodden and
everything, Satan can see your outer experience or whatever.
If you really think about your life, This is where I am now in,
in my life, right? Satan gets to a point where he
tries the same trick all the time.
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Like, oh, what things are going good for this guy?
Flat tire. Oh, Dang it, man.
Oh, I was on my way to work and I got to fight.
Oh, oh man, my car is broke down.
Oh, I hate life. But then if you really think
about it, what happened three years ago, when things are going
good, your car stopped working and then you start seeing the
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pattern of of these things. You're like, you know what man,
next time I park my car stops working.
I'm just going to be like, so. That's mine.
Because a lot of times people don't understand the struggle is
at it's worst right before the blessing, before I got put on
the on on the next great champ, I lost my first home.
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I had to move my family, my my two kids, my my son, my daughter
and and my wife, my ex-wife, my wife at the time.
We had to move back into the room that I used to stay in high
school, like my high school room.
I'm in there with my whole family at my mom's house or
whatever, right? And I'm like, man, I can get no
lower than this. But one night my brother comes
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over and and we're watching the Kings game 2004.
He's like, yeah, yeah, I'm tired, man.
You know, I'm going to just sleep right here on the couch.
Like, OK, boom. I go upstairs.
My cousin is also my cousin fromAlabama is, is also living at my
mom's house. He's coming out like getting a
job and and getting on his feet too.
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And then all of a sudden I wake up in the morning.
I hear my my cousin runs to my room.
Oh, let's come, Vaughn. Vaughn ain't waking up.
He ain't waking up. I go down and my brother died in
his sleep, right. So I look, I lose my house, my
brother dies in his sleep. Damn.
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I'm like, I'm like man, like it's like a real like I don't
even like, you know, like a a pinch me or a punch me type
moment, You know, sound like, like at the time I'm a I'm an
amateur fighter. I got like like I'm nine and one
as an amateur or whatever, right.
And, and I'm like, I'm like, Lord, like I go on my run that
morning anyway. And I'm like, and I'm just, you
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know, a lot of people talk aboutspiritual walks.
I, I used to do spiritual runs, right?
I'm running, I'm just talking toGod.
I'm like, listen, I know you saythat you would never give
anybody anything that they can'thandle.
And like, the more you give us that, that it seems like it's
overwhelming. It's because of what you think
that we, how powerful you actually think that we are.
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I'm like. Wow dude I've never heard it put
like that. Yeah, but I'm like, but dude,
yeah, way too far. Yeah, yeah.
I'm like, I'm like, I talk to God.
Like, just like I'm talking to my, my, my best friend because
that's what he is, right? I'm like, hey, I can't take no
more like seriously. Like, I don't know where I'm
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going to go from this. Like I'm trying to hold it
together because I have to be strong for my mom.
I have to be strong for my, my family right now.
I'm like, but come on, man. This that really knocked the
wind out of me. And then after that boom, you
know, we had we buried my brother reality show.
Go win my next 20 fights as a pro, you know, world title.
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Like, but see, like from the outside looking in, people might
think like, oh man, just dude, like, you know, like, like
people tell me, oh, you were, you were you had a cup of coffee
in the NFL. You, you won these world titles.
You won a reality show. A life is easy for you like no,
no man like everybody has a struggle man and you just have
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to like see it through so. So when your brother passed,
were you able to say like, dude,thank you, Like I I got I'm glad
I got to know him this long. How did you?
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Well, like anybody, anybody that's listening to those, my
brother Levon was like he was, he was a he was such, he was as
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close as you could get to an Angel on earth.
And, and, and now looking back as a mature person, like so
people always think like, oh, this person died.
Dah dah, dah, I hate God or whatever.
No, the reward is not earth. The reward is heaven.
So even if you went to heaven right now, if someone let and
and you and you were like, oh, they were like, Hey, I'm going
to give you a pass. Here's Avip ticket to heaven.
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Go up there and and grab your loved ones and come and bring
them back on earth. If you went up there, they'd be
like, get the heck out of here. I don't want to I'm in heaven.
Like what are you talking about?Like, like I've already passed
the test. I'm I'm I'm here.
You know what I'm saying? Like like you know what I'm
saying? So, so with with with that, I
say there's only been, if I'm not mistaken, 3 people in the in
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the word Elijah. Well, you know, some people say
you're not Job that lived blameless lives, right.
And then they were like God thought that Job was such a a a
great testimony to faith and belief in him that he just took
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him like, you know, to heaven. Elijah was walking with God and
a walking on a road and and justgot swept up in into heaven.
Right. So I'm not saying that I'm not
saying my brother was a higher being or anything like that.
Don't get me wrong but. He might have been.
The fact that I mean, we never know the fact that like all the
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stuff that that that, that that he taught me in life and the
fact that he was he died in the sleep.
So many people get murdered, youknow, chopped up with axes shot.
Like he just like he looked so peaceful, even even laying there
when the paramedics came out sitting there this like
intensely, just like, you know, just days just staring at him.
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But he just looked like he was still asleep.
He just never woke up from asleep.
You know, when they when they did the autopsy, they just said
that that there was nothing thatthey could find it.
But his his organs were sparkling.
You know, there was no like drugs or anything in there or
whatever. His his heart just simply
stopped, right. So, so yeah.
So yeah, those are the. Dang, that's a lot to be.
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Grateful. It's crazy to say that, but
yeah. So then so then that that caused
me so when I I used to be a verymaterialistic person, like
anybody knows that like I had tolike you ever hear the song by
Kanye when he was like, I can't even go to the store without a
shirt with a team or someone's is clean.
That was me all day, right. Like, well, we go to the store.
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Oh, I got to iron a crease and put this on.
I got to have the, the Cadillac with the 20 twos and you know,
I'm mobbing and everything. Like, so after that, like
materialistic stuff was like, like whatever, you know, I just
wrecked. I just wrecked my, my Hellcat.
What like what like on the the 12th or whatever, like, like
people were like, oh man, what are you going to do?
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I'm not dad, you know, I'm like,I'm just praising the Lord.
I'm alive. Rather like I got hit from
behind at 60 mph. Like I'm like, you think I'm
worried about a car? Like, you know what I'm saying?
So. So yeah.
That's so crazy man. What do you think this the thing
that like, galvanized your faiththe most was?
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How blameless my brother is in life like.
Blameless. Yeah, yeah.
Like, like when I look back on on everything, like at his
funeral, he had two friends, oneout here and one in Alabama,
right. When the people that from the
community that came and talked about him, I was like, that's
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the kind of legacy I want to leave, you know, like, I want
people to be like, Oh, this guy,Oh, he gave like I was walking
one day and he and he came in and and and, and, and, and, and
take the groceries in for me or I didn't have money for the bus
and he gave me money for the busor, you know, like, like, like
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stuff like that, You know, like our, I remember I was feeling
bad because we, because you know, Cordova was the, you know,
state, you know, highly ranked football team.
I, I lost the game for us and everyone else was like, Ah,
you're a loser. And then Drake came up and was
like, hey, man, it's going to beall right, you know, like stuff
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like that, you know, so I'm like, man, like I want people to
talk about me like that. So that really that really
changed me. Like it, it, it stopped me.
It, it took the eye out of the equation, you know, but there's
like I shared with you, there's been other things like my
brother dying Liberty going through what she went through my
older brother dying on a, on a motorcycle accident.
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Tracy, because so I gave my life.
I, I rededicated. I was always a Christian.
I was baptized and everything. I rededicated my life to, to
Christ with Liberty. I made myself a stronger
Christian with, with Lavon like,with my brother passing because
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I'm like, yo man, like. And sorry, is Lavon the younger
in the sleep or the older with the no?
No, he, he's the older brother, but but he died 1st and he died
in the sleep. And then when, when my brother
Tracy Ladon had a motorcycle accident in Lake Barry Essa and
and died, he was outstanding father, you know, so I, I like
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made sure like I like I did whatI needed to do for all my kids.
Like, you know, he had every like when you looked at him, I'm
like, oh man, what what is it that that we have to, you know,
make up for like, you know, oh, his funeral was paid for.
Oh, he, he already has a trust one set up for his daughter.
Wow. Oh, he I'm like, oh, yeah, he he
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had this for the, for the wife. I'm like, I'm like, man, like I
got to be a better man in my family, you know?
Get responsible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
How often do you pray and read the Bible?
All the time, man. Daily.
Yeah, daily. But not Even so.
This is where people understand.Like, you don't formally have to
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like a prayer. Like like, like, like, like I
said, I'm, I'm, I'm praying while I'm, I'm doing road work.
You know what I'm saying? Like, like, like I'm talking to
to to God, like on the drive. Like so you're not worried about
formal prayers? No, and like no, we have a
relationship with the most high.Like like right now I can, I can
just you know what I'm saying and, and talk to them or I can
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have a thought, you know, or, orI'm listening to a song or
whatever. Like, so like the word says,
pray without ceasing, like you should never see sprain because
you don't know what's going on in the spiritual realm does next
for you, you know so. Wow.
And so I assume obviously you pray for guidance at times.
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How do you hear? Like how do you get your
guidance? Like where do you hear back from
God? Well, I'm going to tell you when
you really want to answer from God, you need to, to cleanse
yourself right spiritually. You need to, to pray that first
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that, that, that, that forgiveness for your sins acts,
you know, 28 right, Like you say, Lord, right now, forgive me
for all my sins and all my trespasses against my neighbors
and, and cleanse me because I want you to hear me.
You know what I'm saying? I want you to I want I don't
want just to fall on deaf ears and I'm going to live
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righteously until you do hear it, you know, so you might go
into a fast, you may, you know, go into a, a, a closet.
You might not come out the housefor days.
You know, this is the stuff thatwe used to do when, when liberty
was going through through her situation, you know, like, like
we literally like, like, Yo, I can't play around right now.
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My, my daughter needs my prayer.Like for real, for real.
You know, So that's, that's how you make sure that the Lord
hears you, because if he tells you that in a word, that, that
if you live righteously and you ask him for, for something, he
can't deny you, you know, but but you, but so many people is
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like, oh, oh, can I have this? Can I have it?
It's not like a, A wish list, right?
And then all of a sudden it's like, what, it's been a week.
I ain't get it up. And it was like, he's just
sitting there like, OK, whatever, you know what I'm
saying? And then, and then there's
stuff, there's certain stuff that you might be praying for
that that would, would like if if you're 18 and you're paying
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praying for a Ferrari, he might not, he might not get you that
Ferrari because that Ferrari might be the very thing that
kills you. You know what I'm saying that a
lot of people don't understand that either.
There's been things that that I that I've been asking the the
Lord for when I was younger. Then I look back and I go,
you're a comedian. Yeah, you're a comedian guy.
Because if I'd have did that like, Oh my God, you know, like,
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you know what I'm saying? So.
So, yeah. So I just humble myself.
I go to him and I just, you know, I asked for, for things
or, or ask him to really, I don't ask for anything to tell
the truth anymore. I just, I just asked for him to
draw his bloodline around my family and keep us away from
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these satanic things in the world and, and you know, and
cover us with all with the bloodof Jesus.
And, and, and I I pray for for health, not not for wealth.
Like all this other stuff is materialistic.
You know what? I'm saying you don't know that
until you face. The and he'll always give you
enough to survive, you know, like my mother's a walking
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testimony and that like I'm telling you like I used to this
woman like, oh, hey, we don't got no food right now.
Lord, what are we going to do? Like and I'm like, I'm a kid at
the door. Like, yeah, we got no food, but
then surely tomorrow I'm eating breakfast.
I'm like, what did you say? We didn't have food.
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We got, we got all kind of food,you know?
Like and it came in like a miraculous, unexpected way or
something. Yeah, because he will always
take care. Of the producer knocking.
On the door, yeah, yeah. The righteous will always
thrive, you know so. How do you handle and this
genuine question, this is all brand new for me.
I told you before, I'll kind of share with the audience.
Like when my daughter got cancer, I, I didn't have like a
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super strong religious foundation or background or
belief, but I definitely severedwhatever was there and said I'm
done. Like middle finger whatever
explored for years, checked it all out the East, the, the
Buddhism, the, the new age, the,the source energy, the, you
know, the hippie stuff and felt very vulnerable alone.
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And I felt all of a sudden like I was seeking safety in crystals
and weird stuff like that. And I'm like, that's when I woke
up. Like, OK, now I need another
crystal to counteract this crystal and amplify this.
I'm like, I'm lost. I'm lost.
And so dude prayed for me After the podcast, I felt I, the Holy
Spirit entered. It's still uncomfortable to talk
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about, but now I, I, I, I, I'm an overthinker.
And so if I fall short or make amistake or quote like sin, I
feel like, well, I, I screwed the whole thing up.
Like it's all, it's all done now.
How do you handle when you fall short and you're still trying to
be righteous and you're praying for something super important?
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For me, I'm like, I just blockedit off.
I blocked the Holy Spirit because I, I sinned.
Like how do you handle that? Oh, no, no, no, it's not.
It's not like that, man. It's it's So what it is, is is
we are all creatures of sin likenot none of us are are above
reproach. You know what I'm saying?
So so even even even like peoplethat are on fire for Jesus
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tomorrow, like they call it seasons, right?
Like you might be on fire for for the word this season and you
might be like one of the most the worst tyrants in the next
season. The important thing is, is that
that you, you come to the Lord and you and you accept Jesus
Christ as your Savior. You know that you're baptized.
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But even if you're not, if you're not baptized, that you
need to just accept Jesus into your heart because you have
already been baptized. Even if you, like, you probably
haven't been physically baptized, but you were baptized
in the Holy Spirit. That's what you felt that day
when you felt when you told me about that experience.
So you've already been baptized in the Holy Spirit.
Now you cannot deny that who Godis.
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No you cannot. That was very obvious.
Yeah, yeah, that was. So when you fall short or
whatever, you just go back and you and you just ask him for
forgiveness and you get up and you get back on the horse and
try again. That's it.
That's it. That's what it is.
That's why like, like you had a a, a chance to study all these
religions and everything as I went in.
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Not as deep as you did. Yeah, world religion in college.
But when you do that kind of stuff, I used, I used to have
myself wondering, like, so thesepeople think that a spaceship
pulled up and and da, da, da, you know what I'm saying?
And these people think that thisisn't that.
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But then when I tell them about Christianity, they say it's a
it's a, it's a book of fairy tales.
Like it is almost like people like, like how you say it like,
like, oh, I got to have this rock and then I got to have that
rock and and this rock has to always be over here.
My shoe has to be turned this way.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it's like you, you willing
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to do all of that stuff, but allGod just is asking you for is,
is the is is, is the way to him is through his son and you can't
and you don't even want to do that.
Like it's all right in front of you.
So a lot of times the most simplest stuff is in life is
right in front of us. You know, I tell myself that all
the time, every time I'm going through a bunch of hardship or
whatever, I'm like, hold up, hold up.
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I'm looking over here and over there.
There it is. And I and I and I just, you
know, go back and I had a lot ofexperiences and everything.
I haven't figured it all out. You know, I'm not saying that,
but I, I right now, I feel like I'm, I'm entering that, that
golden era that I always saw allthe deacons and everything when
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I was a kid, like, you know, when they used to be in church
in their suit and smoking a cigar outside or, or whatever.
Nice to be like, I wonder what they're thinking about.
I like, I feel like I'm enteringthat, that area area right now,
you know? So, so, yeah, that's sick, dude.
Yeah, whatever you're not whatever you're tapped into.
You just explained it. But God, that you'd I I feel it
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with you, dude. And I, I really believe and
trust what you're saying becauseI have read what you've been
through. I'm talking to you now.
It, it just feels, it feels goodto be able to ask these kind of
things. Man.
I appreciate you sharing so openly.
Thanks for having me on man I I think this is a is a great
thing, man. I really do and I really think
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that you have an outstanding testimony and it's it's great
what what the Lord is using you for like this.
This information era is so many times people use it for things
that you know aren't Kingdom principle at all, you know, but
but you for you to you know, be a be a new Christian or and and
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everything and and just coming into the the light and and and
having so am I such a powerful, you know, AM.
IA Christian like is that is that what this I'm open to
whatever dude. Like whatever I felt that day
where that guy prayed for me wasso like I get emotional talking
about it, but I really felt something enter me that felt
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more good than I've ever experienced.
And I've done, you know, sought every drug, every adrenaline
thing. And but then I get caught up in
the the one way, like the only way to God is through the
father. And then I think, well, my
friends that don't believe this,are they going to I get lost
intellectually, which is clearlysome kind of trick that my brain
plays or whatever. But damn it, I don't remember
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what I was going to say about that, but yeah, I mean, I'm,
I've been hesitant to say like I'm religious or I'm a Christian
or but. One thing I have to tell you
though, because you said it a couple Times Now, and I want to
make sure that that that everyone listening knows this
too. Religion is brushing your teeth
everyday. Religion is something that
that's one thing that I always turn me off about other
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religious followings and, and stuff like like if when they
pray, it's like like, oh, we getdown, we stand up, we turn
right, we turn left, we do the Macarena like, you know, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. So that is religion.
Like something that you go through without feeling every
day. Oh, I, I got to wake up, I got
to wash my face, I got to brush my teeth, I got to comb my hair,
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I got to put 1 foot in this thing.
Boom, boom, boom. I, I do 50 pushups and then I'm
like, that's religion. When you have a spiritual
connection with the most high, like it's deeper as you felt,
you know, like it's, it's it's real.
Like I don't have to formally goover it and talk to a priest
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that say Hail Mary's for me. I can just be like Lord, like,
come on, man. Like, like I find myself like,
you know, telling like, like even laughing like, like going
oh, OK, like, so I thought I wasgoing to get this and all right,
you, you did this, all right, big laugh on me, right.
Like, you know, like you got to have a like, you got to just
have a just be, be real. You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so no matter what, like even
if you want to don't want to define yourself as as a
Christian or whatever, just justsay, just say that like, hey, I
have a relationship with God. You know what I'm saying?
Like people think that you have to be all for my, I'm I'm a
Baptist. I'm this, I'm that.
Like, no, I'm a follower of the Most High, Yeah.
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If that's what that's what has happened to me or is happening
and like I'm a I'm, I'm cool with that man.
Like this feels way better than where I was a few months ago.
There's no question that God, I don't know why it's still hard
to say, but God came in and, youknow, did something to me.
I'm I'm down. If that's that's I don't care.
And then with this podcast, since then, the messaging that
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has been coming through here hastotally changed more towards God
type talks and and this like setit off into a whole new level.
So if this needs, if this is supposed to be used to broadcast
Christianity, like I'm down for that too.
Like whatever, whatever helps the most people.
So thanks for sharing all that man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you, if you just, I mean, if
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you ask him if, if you just say,hey, use me as as as an
instrument, however you're goingto have me and you just let him
do it. You know what I'm saying?
You don't even, don't even stress on it.
That's what I do. I'm like, OK, well I thought I
was supposed to be here, but that bombed.
Okay, what's next? Do you?
Get. Like whenever you say something
that I know is good and like I should, I keep talking about me.
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The show isn't about me, but I'mlearning here.
So like, I feel myself almost start crying and I'm like okay,
yeah. It feels like a guy, dude, it
feels like like when you said that like, hey, let just let him
do it. Have him tell him you'll be an
instrument and step back. It was like almost like, and
that's going to happen in this whole conversation.
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Do you get that? And do you feel like that's oh.
Yeah, there's been a couple times even here in this, this,
this interview, like so people were like, what, what are you
crying? Like why are you getting misty
eye? Why are you crying?
This happened 20 years ago or whatever.
When I think about everything that I went through, like, you
know, with my brother and everything or, or with my
daughter, I know that this is real.
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And I, and I really look back and I see how powerful he worked
in my life. And I'm like, and I'm still
thanking him, you know what I'm saying?
I'm like, wow, like in the middle of talking to you, I'm
like, oh man, that really did happen.
Oh, I, I remember sitting in that room and now I have, you
know, multiple properties and stuff.
You know what I'm saying? Like, Oh, I remember doing this
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and now my, my daughter graduated high school this week,
you know, like, so it's like. Yeah, that's awesome, man.
Any, any other story you want totell or testimony you want to
give input, advice. So people that watch this, I I
can tell by the comments and themessages.
And then of course, there's analytics you can look at, but
they're maybe, I don't know, maybe it's weird to talk about,
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but they're the generally appears to be younger men like,
and women kind of looking for, hey, what are these older folk
doing to get through hard times and stuff and anything you want
to say to them. Yeah, you know, just listen, no
matter what you are, are are going through or, or, or
whatever you're doing in life, like everybody knows right from
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wrong. You know what I'm saying?
Like no matter if you call it Christianity or being a Buddhist
or Karma or, you know, or, or Islam or whatever, you know
right from wrong. So if you know right from wrong
and you live righteously, even if you don't have it figured
out, like who's sitting at the top of this, this hierarchy or,
or whatever good things happen to good people.
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So live righteously. You know, people that are, are,
are energy suckers or are alwaystrying to bring you into the, to
something that that is this, that you feel different about or
evil or uncomfortable about. Cut them off, you know, shake
your tree loose and, and keep moving like always wake up and,
and try to be a better person. And if you do that, like I said,
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good things happen to good people.
Do you, you know what else with this, it kind of feels like
there's a plan and like if there's a bigger purpose to life
or something, like we're all here for a reason and things are
going and how they should go. Do you relate to that at all?
We definitely all here for a reason, you know, and, and a lot
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of times there's multiple reasons, you know, and, and many
more than than not, it's it's the reason that we don't even
know that we're here from you know, if, if you would have told
me when I was a, a fat kid in Alabama that looked like a
little girl. Like.
That I would be like, you know, like this dude that was on a
reality show and, and this top fighter and, and win
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championships and stuff like that.
I've been like, man, get up out of here, man.
Like, like, I don't even know where Sacramento is.
Like where in Sacramento? I thought LA was the capital of
California, You know, like, like, you know what I'm saying?
Like, come on, get out of here, you know?
But so you never know what tomorrow brings.
You know, you get like, I alwaystell people a joke.
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They're like, oh, how do you feel today or whatever?
I'm like, hey, I woke up. I got one more chance to win the
lottery, But what I mean is like, hey, I don't know what's
going to happen today, you know,like, but but I'm, I'm, I'm
positive that it's going to be something pretty good because I
and even and even if, if, if something bad happens, I've
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learned through experience that that doesn't mean sometimes you
got to go backwards to go forward, you know?
Yeah, dude, that's. I think that's that's mind
blowing that you can anticipate bad in life and you just know
I'm still going to make good with it.
I'm still going to have positivethoughts, positive words, and
that's. That's the power of the time,
the power of the time. I just had this memory from the
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show. So like they used to do drive by
interviews or whatever, right? And, and Muhammad Al Mahmoud is
a is a guy that I end up fighting on on the show.
He's one of the contestants and he was from Lebanon.
And, and I get my story and I'm like, Oh, yeah, man, you know,
you know, times have been rough,you know, lost my house, like,
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my brother died, like, damn, youknow, like, whatever, man.
You know, like life is kicking my butt.
But you know, I'm here, you know, like.
And they're, they're like, oh, yeah, man, you know, like pat on
the back. And I'm like, yeah, nobody has
it rougher to me. I'm walking off, Right.
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So then I'm waiting. And Muhammad gets interviewed.
You're like, oh, so you're from Lebanon.
Like, they're like, yeah, yeah. He's like, they're like, how'd
you end up moving to Orlando, FL?
Oh, well, you know, we lived in Beirut, and it was on nonstop
war there. And I remember stuff like my
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uncle walking us to school and getting snatched by some people
into bushes and getting and getting his body chopped up and
right in front of us. And.
And then they tell us to get outof here.
And I'm like, whoa. And then he goes.
He goes. But then, you know, he had a
whole bunch of stories like that.
He goes. But then, you know, they gave
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us, what do they call it, asylum.
Oh, OK, yeah. Yeah, we were refugees.
They gave us asylum and we movedto Orlando and they gave the
government, gave my family enough money to start a store.
So my, my, my, my dad is, is working at the store and
everything. So life got good.
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It got. And I'm like, I'm like, oh,
yeah, OK, yeah, yeah, OK. And then he goes.
And then one day someone came inand and robbed the the store.
They shot my dad and and paralyzed him.
And then he and then he end up being paralyzed for, for life.
And I'm like, thank my God, like.
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And then so the more the story is somebody always has it worse
than you. Like do not go around like, oh,
nobody has the worst me. Oh.
Or even nobody, like somebody staying grateful.
Yes, through more pain. Yes, because that dude never
said one. He never threw one pity party
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that whole show, even after he lost to me he was just like Oh
well I guess it wasn't in it like all.
I didn't think that that I was was, you know, was wasn't for
me. It wasn't for me.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like I was just like, like,
damn, you know what I'm saying? Like here I am in a, in a, in a,
(54:50):
in a, in a, in the hotel room. That's how I feel right now.
Oh, that's good, you know. Dude, you're a good storyteller,
man. You wrote a book, right?
Did you write a book? Oh.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I wrote a book.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. A love story, but yeah.
But it was, it was it was. It was good.
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You got you got you. You should check it out, have
your wife and your daughters read it because it really is, is
the is the book of about women empowerment.
Like, you know, actually from what we're talking about, like,
like women that that don't, you know, know where they are,
always feel like, like, you know, people are knocking them
down and stuff because it's a very chauvinistic of world.
(55:33):
Like, you know, it gives you a light that, you know, if you
hold truth and you, you know, push up and push on and and
continue that this is a long life.
And at the end of the day, you might be, you know, a woman that
is, you know, all of a sudden, you know, you're living in one
of the biggest mansions and controlling, you know, this,
(55:54):
this business and everything because somebody saw something
in you, you know what I'm saying?
So like, and she started off working like all she wanted to
do is get a job as a manager at McDonald's.
He went down to interview for a job as a manager at McDonald's.
And she was walking by a millionaire saw her in a because
she overdressed for the interview.
Like you were a a pants suit andeverything like her mom wanted
(56:17):
her to look good. So she bought her like a this
interview outfit and then millionaire Caesar walking by
and like, Hey, what did did you just go on at McDonald's for an
interview or what? What Like why?
What are you a business woman? And she's like walking like,
don't talk to me like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And kind of find out, man, he's like he's she ignores him and
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walks off. He calls the McDonald's.
He owns the McDonald's. Like that's only one of the
things that he owns in this, in this huge city, you know, So
he's like, hey, what was that Lady in there for, you know, So,
you know, you never know who's watching man, or, or what, or
what's what's happening in, in this, in this spiritual warfare
and everything that's going on around you, like, you know, or
what blessings are being spoken into existence.
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You know what I'm saying? Like, like, believe it or not,
like even we were just talking about slavery.
Like imagine how many prayers and everything were being said
when these people were being like, you know, like, like
beaten or, or, or like they didn't understand why they were
taken from their homes and, and all this stuff, right?
(57:24):
So it takes a while for generations for these things
that manifest. You feel what I'm saying?
Like these prayers, like, like alot of people don't understand
like, oh, like, why is it this guy's life going so well?
He, he, he's the number one musician or he's the best actor
or whatever. Intercessor prayer is one of the
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strongest things that you can do.
So that's when, when you enter you, you can come in between God
and, and someone else on their behalf.
Like meaning like, like what my mom does for me every morning
and, and I, and I start doing itfor my kids.
Like Lord, like, you know, I, I,I just want you to bless my, my
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child, have every their, their, their steps being on holy ground
this morning. Don't let any, you know, weapon
be formed against them. Like boom, boom, boom, every day
years, you know, all on and on and on.
Before that. Her mom used to do that.
So that's why she, you know, that's why I, that's when my
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kids, you know what I'm saying? So, so like it, it might not
happen tomorrow, you know what I'm saying?
But, but it's a, it's, it's likea, like, it's like I tell people
all the time when the, the best things to do is, is take
whatever little money that you have and don't be a, a day
trader, right? But, but compound interest,
right? So if you got time and you got
(58:50):
like, let's say you got $40,000 and you're like, OK, I'm putting
this $4000, just a little bit ofcompound interest for the next
40 years. Like I'm I'm 20 right now.
When you're 60, that $40,000 is going to be like $4 million.
You. Know what I'm saying?
Like, so that's kind of what intercessive prayer is.
You know, it's like I'm praying now.
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Hey, it might not, nothing, may not happen in my lifetime, but
my grandkid Lord, if you could bless them, you know what I'm
saying? Like that kind of stuff.
Yeah. Yeah. 10 I love it man.
Thank you dude. Thanks for.
Having me you want to like pray over the show and just.
Yeah, definitely. All right.
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Definitely, really, definitely. Come on.
Lord, we come to you as I said earlier.
Lord, we ask that you not let these prayers fall in their
fears. We ask that you forgive us of
our trespasses and our sins, Lord, that you wash us clean.
Lord, right now You hear my voice under you.
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Lord, you said with three and people, more people gathered.
Your presence is there, Lord. So we know that you are here.
We know that you hear us. Father.
We ask that right now that you bless Brother Trevor's hands,
Lord, that you bless us all, Lord.
You keep us walking on the holy ground, Lord.
That you take Carly father and, and, and, and her daughter,
father and you continue to blessthem and bless their household.
(01:00:14):
Father, you take M what is it, Marlene?
And, and you bless her grandchild right now.
Lord, it needs your, your, your blessings over her as she's in
medical conditions. Father, we ask that you take
your hand right now, Lauren and you just wipe it over her Lauren
and give her a clean bill of health.
Lord, we ask that you also rightnow go into Brother Trevor's
(01:00:38):
life, Lord, and that you, you, you wipe all of his, his, his
guilt and his spirits away, Father, that you continue to, to
strengthen his household, Father.
You draw to your bloodline of Jesus around him and his family,
Lord, and his property, Father, and you bless his hands right
now, Lord, that all of these things that are going out, Lord,
he's using that his life, Lord and, and, and your word Father
(01:01:00):
to bless the masses, Lord, through this, through this
podcast, Lord. And we ask that you just keep
growing it, Father, and make it bigger than life, Lord, and and
that he would give you the glory, Father.
And your name, Jesus Christ is strengthens us.
Amen.
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