Ever wondered how lighting design adapts to cultural nuances? Join us for an exclusive conversation with Jinkie De Jesus, the design principal of Lightplan Inc., as she reveals the intriguing challenges and solutions in implementing international lighting standards in the Philippines. From navigating client expectations to making spaces feel more lively and vibrant, Jinkie shares her journey and the cultural adjustments she’s had to make in the early years of her own lighting design practice. Recorded at last year's Guangzhou International Lighting Exhibition in China (2023), you'll also gain insights into what sets this event apart from other international fairs. She sat down with cofounder of the Virtual Lighting Design Community, Martin Klaasen.
This episode doesn't stop at cultural adaptations; it dives into the broader topics of public safety and the necessity of brighter lighting in urban areas of the Philippines. Jinkie also shares her thoughts on other expert presentations at the event on topics such as melanopic lighting, light pollution, and biophilic designs in cities like Singapore. To top it off, Martin and Jinkie touch on the dynamic role of the Virtual Lighting Design Community (VLDC) and its impact on the global exchange of knowledge.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In the beginning of my practice, when we started
doing lighting master plans in2013,.
There wasn't a full-oncomprehensive Philippine
lighting standard yet.
So I looked to ESNA, I lookedto BSEN and we applied all of
those norms into our projects.
But, you know, we thought itwould be all okay.
(00:21):
But when we completed theprojects, our clients found it a
bit too dim or dark, not toohappy or lively as they would
like it so we've had to tweak abit.
We've had to combine what welearned from the international
standards to what locally isaccepted.
You know the we had mock-ups ofstreet lighting and they really
(00:42):
do prefer the higher lightlevels.
And it's just interesting tosee right, Because there's no
cookie cutter solution foreverything.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Welcome back to the Virtual Lighting Design
Community Podcast, a globalplatform that empowers, inspires
, educates and connects thelighting design community.
This podcast is brought to youby our premium supporters Aero
Hospitality Lighting, creativeLighting Asia, erco, the Signify
Lighting Academy and PhilixLighting.
Here we bring you a captivatinginterview that follows a
(01:19):
remarkable presentation by JinkyDeJesus, design principal of
Lightplan Inc in the Philippines, recorded at the prestigious
Guangzhou International LightingExhibition in China, a Messe
Frankfurt event.
Jinky's insightful presentationfocused on the crucial link
between lighting, health andwell-being.
Delving into her experience ofimplementing international
lighting standards in her homecountry, jinky shared compelling
(01:42):
anecdotes on the challenges andoutcomes of this harmonization
process, making her presentationa must-listen for lighting
enthusiasts.
Following this enlighteningpresentation, jinky engaged in a
thought-provoking Q&A sessionwith Martin Klassen, the
co-founder of the virtuallighting design community.
This episode encapsulates theessence of their conversation,
(02:02):
offering invaluable insightsinto the nuances of lighting
design, cultural adaptations andthe significance of standards
in shaping lighting projects.
For anyone wanting a visualexperience, please do check out
our youtube channel, where youwill find the video version of
this episode, as well as manyother great interviews and
presentations by our industrythought leaders.
(02:23):
Our YouTube handle is atVLDcommunity and, of course, it
wouldn't be complete withoutmentioning our online platform,
where the magic happens.
Join us and your fellowlighting enthusiasts, where you
can gain access to the completearray of presentations,
interviews, stories, ongoingconversations, a host of
(02:44):
resources and much more.
So please do check that out andexplore the community.
Now on with the show.
Enjoy.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
My name is Martin Klaassen and welcome to the
Virtual Lighting DesignCommunity.
We're currently on tour inGuangzhou, where we're attending
the Guangzhou InternationalLighting Exhibition, and we just
completed our event thismorning.
East Meets West on the topic oflight for health and well-being
.
My guest is one of the speakers, Jinky de Jesus, Welcome.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Thank you, Martin.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Jinky, for those who don't know you, you've been
around for a while, but maybegood to give a bit of background
.
So where are you from?
What do you do in your dailylife?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, absolutely so.
I am Jinky De Jesus.
I am from the Philippines, soI've been practicing lighting
design for, I think, a total of16 years now, but I built my own
studio in the Philippines in2010, which, which is light plan
inc.
And it's a fully philippinefounded lighting design firm, so
(03:53):
we work on a lot of projects inthe philippines from airports
to hotels, casinos, what haveyou name?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
it, you name it, you do it yeah maybe a cemetery.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
We haven't yet, but it's definitely on the list um
so.
So basically we do lightingdesign consultancy and very
happy to be here in Guangzhouwith you today.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
So is this the first time you're in Guangzhou, I
believe.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Well, in Guangzhou city itself.
No, I've been here for businessbefore but for the fair, it's
my first time.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I believe you have been to Light and Build in
Frankfurt, since our main themewas East meets West.
Do you see any similarities ordifferences between the way the
Frankfurt fair is being done andthe way we see it here?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well, I think the weather is different.
That's for sure.
That has nothing to do with thefair, but yes.
But in terms of theorganization, I think it's
pretty much the same.
It's my first time to be aspeaker also, and I would say
that this event was wellorganized.
Scarlett told me that they hadthree months yeah, put together
(05:07):
everything.
So I said crazy, wow yeah yeahso I think, with three months of
preparation and the level ofthe how the conference was done
this morning, um, so I thinkit's yeah, it's a good.
It's very well organized andI'm still looking forward to
exploring the fairgrounds afterour talk.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, perfect.
Now you did a presentationabout the way things are being
done in the Philippines.
You talk about standards brightor not bright?
Tell us a little about it.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
So in the beginning of my practice, when we started
doing lighting master plans in2013, there wasn't a full-on
comprehensive Philippinelighting standard yet.
So I looked to ESNA, I lookedto DSEN and we applied all of
those norms into our projects.
But, you know, we thought itwould be all okay.
(06:01):
But when we completed theprojects, our clients found it a
bit too dim or dark, not toohappy or lively as they would
like it.
So we've had to tweak a bit toodim or dark, not too happy or
lively as they would like it.
So we've had to tweak a bit.
We've had to combine what welearned from the international
standards to what locally isaccepted.
You know, we had mock-ups ofstreet lighting and they really
(06:22):
do prefer the higher lightlevels and it's just interesting
to see.
Right, because there's nocookie cutter solution for
everything no, it's something.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
It's interesting that you mentioned that, because I
remember an early job I did, wayback in pakistan yeah, a long
time ago where they were, thatyou had the same issue yeah,
it's like they were used to 50lux in an office, right, really
bad lighting levels.
Yeah, literally hardly anylight at all.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Okay okay, interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
And the international standards at that time were
like 500 lux or something.
So you design, you go at 500lux.
It's like whoa, what are youcoming with Right?
200 would have been already ahuge improvement.
So sometimes it's that you needto maybe step it up a little
bit and find that balance.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, yeah, understanding also, I think, a
lot about the culture, yeah, theclimate, the environment, uh,
the security, or peace and orderin the country yeah that's why,
primarily in the philippines,we like bright public lighting.
I think it's because of thatthe safety and security people
don't feel threatened to go outand walk at night yeah, yeah,
(07:26):
yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Was there anything that stood out from all that?
We had quite a number ofspeakers and a panel discussion.
Was there any topic or subjectthat you said?
Oh, that really rang a bellwith me.
There's something I would liketo I don't know pick up or do
myself.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Also yeah, actually a lot of.
Well, most of the presentations, if not all all, had very
interesting points for me toskim through it.
Kevin had discussed about themelanopic locks and I think
that's a topic that we stillwere just scratching the surface
and it's something that we canreally explore for our projects
(08:01):
in the future.
And with the well certificationnow it's also starting in the
Philippines.
It's a requirement for a lot ofoffice buildings, so I want to
look more into that.
Um and then uh.
Light pollution presentation,also by by fanny was was
interesting to see that I couldreally relate to it because it
(08:23):
happens.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I see it a lot courageous to share that sort of
experience.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Exactly right she pointed out exactly what was bad
about the whole thing, but Iwould see all these bad examples
in Manila of bad glaring facadelighting.
So that was interesting and ofcourse, Yali's also presentation
about biophilic lighting andhow Singapore has really branded
themselves as this garden city.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
And to be a lighting designer in Singapore and light
up those garden places and howSingapore?
Has really branded themselvesas this garden city and to be a
lighting designer in Singaporeand light up those garden places
it's exciting.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
So, yeah, those are the ones that I guess I remember
for now.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Now I'm here on behalf of the virtual light
design community.
It's a very young globalcommunity in which we're trying
to share knowledge from all overthe world through our platform.
We love to have feedback onwhat people think and how we can
improve, so it would be greatto have a bit of a feedback on
what you think about whatvirtual lighting design
(09:22):
community means for thecommunity, for the lighting
industry, and what we should belooking at moving forward.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Okay, yeah, I really like the platform because, first
, you don't need any specificcredentials or submissions heavy
like crazy submissions to bepart of the community, but you
can see that the community hasreally credible professionals
that are contributing teachingin VLDC.
(09:53):
So I like the inclusiveness ofthe whole platform and I think
it's great what you guys aredoing, and then the content also
that I've browsed so far.
I'm looking forward to watchingthem.
So I think it's something thatcan definitely be big.
I'm not sure if bigger is theright word, but you have to
(10:16):
think and develop how you candevelop it further, because I
like the idea that it's an openplatform for everyone yeah but
actually getting people to getinvested and involved in it
takes a lot of time you
Speaker 2 (10:30):
have to give motivation or well, I think
that's why we're also havingthis kind of event, because we
were born out of the pandemic soit was really virtual for a
couple of years.
Now we're starting to haveevents, so we're having this
morning's event which is beingrecorded, we'll edit it and
we'll put it on the on thewebsite.
Our interviews will be on thewebsite, so by having live
(10:54):
events like this, where we canmeet face to face and create
content at the same time becauseit's sometimes a pity that we
have these beautifulpresentations of experts in the
field- yeah.
And then after the event it'sgone Right.
So now we have an opportunityto record that and then to make
it available for our community.
People are not able to travelto Guangzhou and listen to these
(11:17):
experts.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Right, so that's one of the things that we're
exploring to doing this now.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I guess it's a good balance of because, of course,
live presentations and eventsare still more exciting to
attend to.
You get dressed and ready forit, the people are in a
conference, it's a veryprofessional environment, but at
least at the other side of it,you can also stream it at home
at your own comfort.
Like what you said, people whocan't be here.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Now a question that I love asking everybody is what
drives you out of bed in themorning?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
What's the?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
passion.
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I always have the same thing.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Deadlines no, not really, that's not.
Ayali said the same thing no,not really, that's not really a
passion.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
No, no, tennis is.
So tennis is one of my passions.
I love playing and watching it.
Roland Garros is happening.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
So I think the ladies' final just got played
already.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, there's a champ already for the ladies.
Right and today it's NovakDjokovic and Kasper Rudd.
All right, I used to playtennis, also competition even.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Oh wow, that was when I was like 18 years old, Okay
okay, it's a beautiful sport.
I love it.
Yeah, yeah.
It's nice, I don't play it more.
Um, no, that's good to know.
Um, if you would have a magicwand, is there anything that you
would love to change in thethings you know the lighting
(12:44):
industry is is moving um thingsthat maybe bother you or
frustrate you, or things thatyou would love to see happening
wow, I think if I had a magicwand I would.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
A budget is one, because in the Philippines we
really have to design smartlybecause the budget that's given
to us is quite limited.
We really have to stretch ourcreativity.
So it would be great for wandsto have some sort of good budget
to play with and to reallyrealize the concepts that we
(13:18):
propose for.
And maybe another thing is themindset and educating people
about what?
good lighting light for healthand well-being can bring what
the value can bring, becausepeople are so concerned.
What Dr Shelley said about thecost right, but I think if we
(13:41):
educate them and they learn,they'll see the big picture.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
The thing is, it's more difficult to design
something simple than to designsomething sophisticated, in a
way, because if budget is not anissue, you can go ahead and
design, but if you have such alimited budget, you to be, in
fact, more creative, and I findsometimes there's more sweat in
trying to get something simpleoff the ground than something
more public.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yes, getting there right, yeah final question to
you.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
uh, jinky, the future , the way we look at it at the
moment, is seeing smart lightingsystems coming our way.
We see the artificialintelligence becoming more
prominent, now even ChatGPT, ohyeah.
How do you see that impact onyour business and maybe even
your daily life?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
ChatGPT.
Yeah, I tried it.
I tried it a couple of days agobecause I caught my daughter
using it for her research workand I said what are you doing?
I'm just getting ideas, I'm notreally copying it, I'm just
getting the thought behind it.
But you know it's good.
Technology is there, butlighting wise we have this talk
about light for health andwell-being, but I think it's
(14:49):
really subjective.
Each person has a differentneed for what's healthy for them
, yes, what kind of sleep theyneed, what kind of light they
prefer.
So it's.
I don't know how it will happenin the future, but if you can
really go down to personalizingthe light in accordance to what
really each individual needs.
Because we have these universalscientific parameters of light.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
With machine learning .
Yeah, right, but if it's reallygoing down to what each person
really requires and I'd like tosee how that is- the danger is
that potentially people don'tthink anymore Right, because
they have somebody, but it'sonly thinking backwards, it's
not really thinking forward.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah Well, or we go back old school again right.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
We'll see what the future brings.
Jinky, thank you so much forthis interview and thanks for
your contribution to thisprogram.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Thank you very much.
Pleasure and it's a privilegeto be here.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Thank you very much.
We hope you enjoyed thisepisode and you've gained some
insight or inspiration that youcan take away or perhaps apply.
Thank you.
In the beginning of my practice, when we started
doing lighting master plans in2013,.
There wasn't a full-oncomprehensive Philippine
lighting standard yet.
So I looked to ESNA, I lookedto BSEN and we applied all of
those norms into our projects.
But, you know, we thought itwould be all okay.
(00:21):
But when we completed theprojects, our clients found it a
bit too dim or dark, not toohappy or lively as they would
like it so we've had to tweak abit.
We've had to combine what welearned from the international
standards to what locally isaccepted.
You know the we had mock-ups ofstreet lighting and they really
(00:42):
do prefer the higher lightlevels.
And it's just interesting tosee right, Because there's no
cookie cutter solution foreverything.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Welcome back to the Virtual Lighting Design
Community Podcast, a globalplatform that empowers, inspires
, educates and connects thelighting design community.
This podcast is brought to youby our premium supporters Aero
Hospitality Lighting, creativeLighting Asia, erco, the Signify
Lighting Academy and PhilixLighting.
Here we bring you a captivatinginterview that follows a
(01:19):
remarkable presentation by JinkyDeJesus, design principal of
Lightplan Inc in the Philippines, recorded at the prestigious
Guangzhou International LightingExhibition in China, a Messe
Frankfurt event.
Jinky's insightful presentationfocused on the crucial link
between lighting, health andwell-being.
Delving into her experience ofimplementing international
lighting standards in her homecountry, jinky shared compelling
(01:42):
anecdotes on the challenges andoutcomes of this harmonization
process, making her presentationa must-listen for lighting
enthusiasts.
Following this enlighteningpresentation, jinky engaged in a
thought-provoking Q&A sessionwith Martin Klassen, the
co-founder of the virtuallighting design community.
This episode encapsulates theessence of their conversation,
(02:02):
offering invaluable insightsinto the nuances of lighting
design, cultural adaptations andthe significance of standards
in shaping lighting projects.
For anyone wanting a visualexperience, please do check out
our youtube channel, where youwill find the video version of
this episode, as well as manyother great interviews and
presentations by our industrythought leaders.
(02:23):
Our YouTube handle is atVLDcommunity and, of course, it
wouldn't be complete withoutmentioning our online platform,
where the magic happens.
Join us and your fellowlighting enthusiasts, where you
can gain access to the completearray of presentations,
interviews, stories, ongoingconversations, a host of
(02:44):
resources and much more.
So please do check that out andexplore the community.
Now on with the show.
Enjoy.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
My name is Martin Klaassen and welcome to the
Virtual Lighting DesignCommunity.
We're currently on tour inGuangzhou, where we're attending
the Guangzhou InternationalLighting Exhibition, and we just
completed our event thismorning.
East Meets West on the topic oflight for health and well-being
.
My guest is one of the speakers, Jinky de Jesus, Welcome.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Thank you, Martin.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Jinky, for those who don't know you, you've been
around for a while, but maybegood to give a bit of background
.
So where are you from?
What do you do in your dailylife?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, absolutely so.
I am Jinky De Jesus.
I am from the Philippines, soI've been practicing lighting
design for, I think, a total of16 years now, but I built my own
studio in the Philippines in2010, which, which is light plan
inc.
And it's a fully philippinefounded lighting design firm, so
(03:53):
we work on a lot of projects inthe philippines from airports
to hotels, casinos, what haveyou name?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
it, you name it, you do it yeah maybe a cemetery.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
We haven't yet, but it's definitely on the list um
so.
So basically we do lightingdesign consultancy and very
happy to be here in Guangzhouwith you today.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
So is this the first time you're in Guangzhou, I
believe.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Well, in Guangzhou city itself.
No, I've been here for businessbefore but for the fair, it's
my first time.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I believe you have been to Light and Build in
Frankfurt, since our main themewas East meets West.
Do you see any similarities ordifferences between the way the
Frankfurt fair is being done andthe way we see it here?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well, I think the weather is different.
That's for sure.
That has nothing to do with thefair, but yes.
But in terms of theorganization, I think it's
pretty much the same.
It's my first time to be aspeaker also, and I would say
that this event was wellorganized.
Scarlett told me that they hadthree months yeah, put together
(05:07):
everything.
So I said crazy, wow yeah yeahso I think, with three months of
preparation and the level ofthe how the conference was done
this morning, um, so I thinkit's yeah, it's a good.
It's very well organized andI'm still looking forward to
exploring the fairgrounds afterour talk.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, perfect.
Now you did a presentationabout the way things are being
done in the Philippines.
You talk about standards brightor not bright?
Tell us a little about it.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
So in the beginning of my practice, when we started
doing lighting master plans in2013, there wasn't a full-on
comprehensive Philippinelighting standard yet.
So I looked to ESNA, I lookedto DSEN and we applied all of
those norms into our projects.
But, you know, we thought itwould be all okay.
(06:01):
But when we completed theprojects, our clients found it a
bit too dim or dark, not toohappy or lively as they would
like it.
So we've had to tweak a bit toodim or dark, not too happy or
lively as they would like it.
So we've had to tweak a bit.
We've had to combine what welearned from the international
standards to what locally isaccepted.
You know, we had mock-ups ofstreet lighting and they really
(06:22):
do prefer the higher lightlevels and it's just interesting
to see.
Right, because there's nocookie cutter solution for
everything no, it's something.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
It's interesting that you mentioned that, because I
remember an early job I did, wayback in pakistan yeah, a long
time ago where they were, thatyou had the same issue yeah,
it's like they were used to 50lux in an office, right, really
bad lighting levels.
Yeah, literally hardly anylight at all.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Okay okay, interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
And the international standards at that time were
like 500 lux or something.
So you design, you go at 500lux.
It's like whoa, what are youcoming with Right?
200 would have been already ahuge improvement.
So sometimes it's that you needto maybe step it up a little
bit and find that balance.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, yeah, understanding also, I think, a
lot about the culture, yeah, theclimate, the environment, uh,
the security, or peace and orderin the country yeah that's why,
primarily in the philippines,we like bright public lighting.
I think it's because of thatthe safety and security people
don't feel threatened to go outand walk at night yeah, yeah,
(07:26):
yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Was there anything that stood out from all that?
We had quite a number ofspeakers and a panel discussion.
Was there any topic or subjectthat you said?
Oh, that really rang a bellwith me.
There's something I would liketo I don't know pick up or do
myself.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Also yeah, actually a lot of.
Well, most of the presentations, if not all all, had very
interesting points for me toskim through it.
Kevin had discussed about themelanopic locks and I think
that's a topic that we stillwere just scratching the surface
and it's something that we canreally explore for our projects
(08:01):
in the future.
And with the well certificationnow it's also starting in the
Philippines.
It's a requirement for a lot ofoffice buildings, so I want to
look more into that.
Um and then uh.
Light pollution presentation,also by by fanny was was
interesting to see that I couldreally relate to it because it
(08:23):
happens.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I see it a lot courageous to share that sort of
experience.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Exactly right she pointed out exactly what was bad
about the whole thing, but Iwould see all these bad examples
in Manila of bad glaring facadelighting.
So that was interesting and ofcourse, Yali's also presentation
about biophilic lighting andhow Singapore has really branded
themselves as this garden city.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
And to be a lighting designer in Singapore and light
up those garden places and howSingapore?
Has really branded themselvesas this garden city and to be a
lighting designer in Singaporeand light up those garden places
it's exciting.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
So, yeah, those are the ones that I guess I remember
for now.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Now I'm here on behalf of the virtual light
design community.
It's a very young globalcommunity in which we're trying
to share knowledge from all overthe world through our platform.
We love to have feedback onwhat people think and how we can
improve, so it would be greatto have a bit of a feedback on
what you think about whatvirtual lighting design
(09:22):
community means for thecommunity, for the lighting
industry, and what we should belooking at moving forward.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Okay, yeah, I really like the platform because, first
, you don't need any specificcredentials or submissions heavy
like crazy submissions to bepart of the community, but you
can see that the community hasreally credible professionals
that are contributing teachingin VLDC.
(09:53):
So I like the inclusiveness ofthe whole platform and I think
it's great what you guys aredoing, and then the content also
that I've browsed so far.
I'm looking forward to watchingthem.
So I think it's something thatcan definitely be big.
I'm not sure if bigger is theright word, but you have to
(10:16):
think and develop how you candevelop it further, because I
like the idea that it's an openplatform for everyone yeah but
actually getting people to getinvested and involved in it
takes a lot of time you
Speaker 2 (10:30):
have to give motivation or well, I think
that's why we're also havingthis kind of event, because we
were born out of the pandemic soit was really virtual for a
couple of years.
Now we're starting to haveevents, so we're having this
morning's event which is beingrecorded, we'll edit it and
we'll put it on the on thewebsite.
Our interviews will be on thewebsite, so by having live
(10:54):
events like this, where we canmeet face to face and create
content at the same time becauseit's sometimes a pity that we
have these beautifulpresentations of experts in the
field- yeah.
And then after the event it'sgone Right.
So now we have an opportunityto record that and then to make
it available for our community.
People are not able to travelto Guangzhou and listen to these
(11:17):
experts.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Right, so that's one of the things that we're
exploring to doing this now.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I guess it's a good balance of because, of course,
live presentations and eventsare still more exciting to
attend to.
You get dressed and ready forit, the people are in a
conference, it's a veryprofessional environment, but at
least at the other side of it,you can also stream it at home
at your own comfort.
Like what you said, people whocan't be here.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Now a question that I love asking everybody is what
drives you out of bed in themorning?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
What's the?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
passion.
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I always have the same thing.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Deadlines no, not really, that's not.
Ayali said the same thing no,not really, that's not really a
passion.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
No, no, tennis is.
So tennis is one of my passions.
I love playing and watching it.
Roland Garros is happening.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
So I think the ladies' final just got played
already.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, there's a champ already for the ladies.
Right and today it's NovakDjokovic and Kasper Rudd.
All right, I used to playtennis, also competition even.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Oh wow, that was when I was like 18 years old, Okay
okay, it's a beautiful sport.
I love it.
Yeah, yeah.
It's nice, I don't play it more.
Um, no, that's good to know.
Um, if you would have a magicwand, is there anything that you
would love to change in thethings you know the lighting
(12:44):
industry is is moving um thingsthat maybe bother you or
frustrate you, or things thatyou would love to see happening
wow, I think if I had a magicwand I would.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
A budget is one, because in the Philippines we
really have to design smartlybecause the budget that's given
to us is quite limited.
We really have to stretch ourcreativity.
So it would be great for wandsto have some sort of good budget
to play with and to reallyrealize the concepts that we
(13:18):
propose for.
And maybe another thing is themindset and educating people
about what?
good lighting light for healthand well-being can bring what
the value can bring, becausepeople are so concerned.
What Dr Shelley said about thecost right, but I think if we
(13:41):
educate them and they learn,they'll see the big picture.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
The thing is, it's more difficult to design
something simple than to designsomething sophisticated, in a
way, because if budget is not anissue, you can go ahead and
design, but if you have such alimited budget, you to be, in
fact, more creative, and I findsometimes there's more sweat in
trying to get something simpleoff the ground than something
more public.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yes, getting there right, yeah final question to
you.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
uh, jinky, the future , the way we look at it at the
moment, is seeing smart lightingsystems coming our way.
We see the artificialintelligence becoming more
prominent, now even ChatGPT, ohyeah.
How do you see that impact onyour business and maybe even
your daily life?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
ChatGPT.
Yeah, I tried it.
I tried it a couple of days agobecause I caught my daughter
using it for her research workand I said what are you doing?
I'm just getting ideas, I'm notreally copying it, I'm just
getting the thought behind it.
But you know it's good.
Technology is there, butlighting wise we have this talk
about light for health andwell-being, but I think it's
(14:49):
really subjective.
Each person has a differentneed for what's healthy for them
, yes, what kind of sleep theyneed, what kind of light they
prefer.
So it's.
I don't know how it will happenin the future, but if you can
really go down to personalizingthe light in accordance to what
really each individual needs.
Because we have these universalscientific parameters of light.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
With machine learning .
Yeah, right, but if it's reallygoing down to what each person
really requires and I'd like tosee how that is- the danger is
that potentially people don'tthink anymore Right, because
they have somebody, but it'sonly thinking backwards, it's
not really thinking forward.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah Well, or we go back old school again right.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
We'll see what the future brings.
Jinky, thank you so much forthis interview and thanks for
your contribution to thisprogram.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Thank you very much.
Pleasure and it's a privilegeto be here.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Thank you very much.
We hope you enjoyed thisepisode and you've gained some
insight or inspiration that youcan take away or perhaps apply.
Thank you.
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