February 3, 2025 • 28 mins
In this episode of Visual Eyes, host Chris Baker sits down with the inspiring Lali Safavi, a dedicated advocate for women-owned businesses and a leader in nonprofit collaboration. Lali shares her journey from the corporate world to nonprofit advocacy, highlighting the impact of women-led initiatives, mentorship programs, and community-driven solutions.
Women-owned businesses play a crucial role in shaping the economy, fostering innovation, and driving social change. Lali discusses the challenges women entrepreneurs face, from funding gaps to societal barriers, and offers actionable strategies to support their success. She also explores the importance of collaboration between businesses, nonprofits, and community leaders, showcasing how these partnerships create long-term, sustainable impact.
Throughout this episode, you’ll learn about successful nonprofit and business collaborations, how to effectively use storytelling for fundraising, and why investing in women’s empowerment programs leads to stronger, more resilient communities. Lali’s insights offer a fresh perspective on how both individuals and organizations can step up to create real, lasting change.
If you’re passionate about women’s leadership, nonprofit growth, and the power of collaboration, this episode is for you! Tune in to hear inspiring stories, expert insights, and strategies that can help you contribute to positive social impact.
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Chris Baker (00:03):
Welcome to Visual Eyes, the podcast where
collaboration fuels change.
I'm your host, Chris Baker, andeach week we'll explore
incredible connections betweennonprofits, businesses and the
community.
This is a space where wehighlight inspiring partnerships
, uncover strategies forcreating meaningful impact and
share stories that show howworking together can make all
(00:24):
the difference.
Whether you're a nonprofitleader, a business owner or
someone just passionate aboutbuilding connections, this
podcast is for you.
Welcome everyone to Visual Eyes.
Today we have Lali, and I'm notgoing to be able to say her
last name, Safavi.
I know I was going to get herfirst name right because I've
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worked on that for a while now.
Lely, welcome to the show.
We're going to have a littlebit of a laugh on this one,
because we are good friends.
Lali Safavi (00:54):
Yes, thank you, chris.
Thank you for having me.
Chris Baker (00:56):
So can you share your journey from practicing law
creating the Skirt Foundation?
Lali Safavi (01:02):
Sure, it's been a pretty long journey.
When I I guess I was practicinglaw in the mid 2000s, I was in
Washington DC.
I studied tax law.
I was actually practicingimmigration and family law
practice for a few years.
I didn't care for it and so I Itransitioned in a very unlikely
way that that's not really whatwe're talking about here today,
(01:25):
but I transitioned to smallbusiness and I ended up, maybe
around 2009, purchasing a smallbusiness that I owned for about
12 years.
I ended up selling that smallbusiness in 2020 when COVID
started taking that money andmoving down to Florida from the
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DC area.
So I moved down to FloridaSeptember of 2020.
A couple of years after that, Istarted a women's arts and
lifestyle magazine called SpurtsSoFlo.
That's based in Fort Lauderdale.
I have two other women who runthat with me, diane Papafotis
and Pamela Boucher and we'vebeen doing that for the last
couple of years, but always withthe intention of expanding it
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to move it into the nonprofitspace with a foundation.
The magazine itself is afor-profit business, but it's a
very mission based for-profitand we, you know, we advocate,
we highlight unknown women inSouth Florida who are doing
amazing things, we advocate forthem, we promote them and in a
sense, that's what we're doingwith the Skirt Foundation as
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well.
So we just launched that inSeptember of 2024.
And we just had our first fullboard meeting last night.
And so you know, exciting thingsare happening.
Chris Baker (02:41):
Here's to 2025.
Lali Safavi (02:43):
Here's to 2025.
Chris Baker (02:44):
Yeah the Skirt Foundation.
This will be amazing.
All right, so some of thecollaborations so I want you to
think about.
You know, has there been anycollaboration efforts that you
worked with other nonprofits forbusiness that really kind of
like highlight and help yousucceed in getting the
foundation off to the ground?
Lali Safavi (03:05):
So right now what we're doing is we are planning
our very first fundraiser, whichis scheduled for February 7th
at Independence Hall in Bolton,manors.
Collaboration is something thatI believe is essential with
nonprofits essential withnonprofits, you know, a lot of
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the time we human beings, beingwhat they are and having a
natural sort of competitivesense, want to oftentimes stay
in their bubble, fight withothers for donors, for donor
dollars and things like this.
But at the end of the day, in acommunity, I think that when
you collaborate and youcollaborate honestly and
effectively with otherorganizations, it only makes you
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stronger.
It's one of the areas that wereally emphasize on our website,
in our mission and really everyCEO that I speak to with other
nonprofit organizations.
When I speak with them, Ialways open that door and say
listen, if you know, if they'rea like-minded organization, I
always say if there is anopportunity for us to work
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together on something down theroad, just know that we're very
open.
So in the in creating thisfundraiser, I reached out to an
organization that actuallysupports women's causes a great
deal that our fund founded,based in Wilton Manors, and they
, you know we're a grant fundingorganization.
They're a grant fundingorganization and so there it was
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kind of like why, you know,does it make sense for us to
support you?
And so I actually went in thereand I spoke with their CEO,
david Jobin, who's very, who'sjust an incredible guy, and you
know I put it out there I said,listen, you know, I know that
we're fighting for the samedonor dollars, but at the end of
the day, you know, this is awomen's organization, that if we
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become strong, we only make ourcommunity stronger.
You know the community that weall live in.
And so he was like okay, well,let me go talk to my chair and
everything.
And then for two and a halfweeks I didn't hear from him and
he comes back and he's like,yeah, we'll support you.
I can't tell you how much of adifference that money makes in
allowing us at this stage, wherewe are a tiny little acorn in
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this landscape, to get ouroperations up and running and
start doing the work that wereally want to be doing.
I will never forget that.
We will never forget that as anorganization.
So if our fund down the roadcomes back and says, hey, you
know, we would like to partneron X, there won't be any
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question.
You know what I mean, becausethe partnerships are more than
just strategic business.
They are they're, they're humanconnections.
Chris Baker (05:48):
So collaboration is huge.
No, I completely agree and Ithink you said it extremely well
.
You know you're opening upthose doors and you're making
those connections that are goingto have lifelong ripples, not
only in just the humaninteraction that we have, the
connections that we're making,but also, as like you said, the
community Skirt Foundation isgoing to be doing so much more,
(06:10):
Our fund will be able to do somuch more, and the collaboration
is just going to be amazing.
I love it.
That's fantastic.
So, launching a foundationdedicated to gender equality
prevents a unique challenge.
So what key lessons have youlearned in establishing the
Skirt Foundation, particularlyto engaging with the LGBTQ plus
community?
Lali Safavi (06:30):
Well, it's very interesting because I am not
actually a person who pays awhole lot of attention in my own
personal life to oh, thisperson didn't treat me like they
treated that person.
It's not something that I'maware of, but in putting
together the website for ourfoundation, in doing research
(06:54):
into the treatment of womenacross the country and also in
South Florida, the treatment ofwomen in other nonprofit
organizations in the arts, inareas of health and wellness, it
was very eye-opening that wehave not really moved the needle
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much in the last 20 years.
Women still get paid 80 cents onthe dollar and 20 years ago
they got paid 80 cents to everydollar earned by a man, and
that's pretty much across theboard.
Women's health issues are notas well funded Women in
nonprofits.
Stats for that are prettystaggering.
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Close to 80% of employees ofnonprofit organizations are
women and only about 20% maybe alittle over 20% are in senior
positions in nonprofitorganizations.
So one of the main criteriathat we are going to be using in
our grant funding is we want toprovide resources to
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organizations that have adedication to their people
equally, their people equally,paying their people equally to
having selection processes,promotion, hiring practices and
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policies indicate to us thatthey are dedicated equal
treatment, to gender equity, togender parity.
What I found in our this is avery long winded way of
answering your question.
What I found is that the exactsame inequities exist in the
LGBTQ community as in the exactsame thing that women have
fought for outside of ourcommunity.
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The exact same conditions existhere.
Same conditions exist here.
So I think that you know we'redoing good work in that regard.
I think that we have our eye ona good outcome.
You know, as we kind of gothrough all of the proposals
that are coming and decidingwhat to fund and what not to
(09:00):
fund, what organizations to fundand not, A little bit more
about you know that engagement.
Chris Baker (09:06):
I know you're still very new, the foundation has
just been started, but how isthe the community, the lgbt
community, really kind ofresponded to it so far?
I mean, like I said, you justhad your first board meeting,
but I know that you've had thisin talks and you've been
bringing it up, probably throughskirt, so flow magazine and
other and other avenues oftrying to get people aware.
(09:28):
So what has?
How has the engagement been?
Lali Safavi (09:31):
The engagement has been.
I think it's been terrific,because I don't.
I think that this kind of cameout of left field for a lot of
people, because they're justsort of settling in with us only
having the magazine in printfor about a year, even though
creating the foundation wasalways our plan, was always on
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our radar.
It completely came out of leftfield for a lot of people, so it
surprised them.
It's really being viewed as ahuge stepping stone, a huge
elevation in the women'scommunity.
We are an organization.
At the end of the day, we don'tdo projects of our own.
We deal in money.
That is what we deal in.
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It is the lifeblood.
Any initiative, anyorganization, any business, any
arts endeavor.
It all comes down to resources,and to have an organization
that is 100% dedicated toproviding resources to 100%
women is a huge.
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We want to be a pillar in ourcommunity, allow the health, the
wealth, the arts in the women'scommunity.
That's what we want.
That is our vision and I thinkpeople are starting to really
pay attention.
We'll see.
The gauge is really going to beat the fundraiser to see how
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people react to our sort of.
It's going to be kind of likeour coming out party.
Chris Baker (10:59):
Yeah, no, no, it is .
Lali Safavi (11:00):
It's more of your welcome party and you know
you're probably going to have tohave more.
Chris Baker (11:09):
But definitely know it's.
It is it's more of your likewelcome party and you know
you're probably going to have tohave more but yeah, definitely
this is going to be a reallygood start.
That's awesome skirt, so slowmagazine spotlighted like
contributions from the lgbtwomen.
Uh, in art and in business, canyou describe some of the or
discuss some of the impact thatthat has made?
Maybe a success story thatreally stands out to you guys as
an organization?
Lali Safavi (11:26):
Yeah, you know it's .
Having a magazine is reallystrange because you create this
thing and you can only reallycreate what you are interested
in.
You can't really write too wellabout things that you think
people want to write but likeyou don't really care about.
So you kind of put yourself outthere and you're like okay, I'm
going to create this magazine,I'm going to put it out, let's
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see who picks it up.
Is anyone picking it up?
Is anyone reading it?
These are questions that westill ask ourselves.
Really, the only times that Ican feel 100% good is when I get
feedback from people on howsomething that we've written or
what we're doing is affectingthem.
So a success story.
It's very interesting.
(12:08):
Our March issue, which was onlyour second issue, had the cover,
had a photographer, a Mexicanphotographer, who I didn't just
like, maybe a couple of weeksbefore beforehand, had didn't
even have, you know, money forpaper to print her photos on.
I came across this woman atUntitled Art during Miami Art
Week 2023.
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I saw her photographs and Ispoke with the woman who was
representing her.
The artist wasn't here.
She couldn't get a visa to comeinto the country.
I spoke with a representative.
This woman Guadalupe.
She runs an arts collective inMexico City.
So she was telling me aboutthis photographer whose work I
was seeing on the wall in MiamiMitzi Falcon, so Guadalupe and I
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actually ended up doing aninterview with Mitzi on the
phone from Mexico.
That's how I got to know them.
So she ended up on the.
Mitzi ended up on the cover ofour March issue.
A couple of months later, inMay, we put Karina Mask, who's a
very well-known photographerdown here in South Florida and a
good friend.
We put her on the cover of ourmagazine.
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Didn't think anything of it.
It was great.
Everyone was like oh Karina,that's fabulous.
Chris Baker (13:15):
We love your work.
Lali Safavi (13:16):
Two months later, all of a sudden, I find out that
, untitled, art 2024 has thetheme going of East meets West.
Okay, karina is.
Okay, guadalupe is Mexican.
Out of nowhere, the two of thempartner up.
Chris Baker (13:35):
Oh my gosh.
Lali Safavi (13:35):
Create the most incredible exhibit at Untitled,
art 2024.
And at the end of Untitled,we're invited they were the only
booth from that entire showinvited to Tokyo to show the
exact exhibit that they wereshowing in Miami.
And then the exhibit is comingto Mexico to be shown in Mexico.
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All of that got started becauseof these two covers, sort of
making the parties aware of oneanother and putting these people
on one another's radar.
Chris Baker (14:11):
that is a success story oh, that's a huge success
story.
Yes, and I mean the wholereason for our podcast is
collaboration.
That is collaboration like on,like global level absolutely
incredible.
Lali Safavi (14:23):
Yes, and we're hoping to get three or four of
the pieces that can be put oneasels because the exhibit is
massive.
Yeah, um, we're hoping to getthree or four of the pieces that
can be put on easels becausethe exhibit is massive.
Yeah, we're hoping to get threeor four of those pieces to be
able to show them at thefundraiser.
Guadalupe is also on our boardbecause we have very, very big
plans for our arts program inBroward, so you know we really
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want her involved.
Chris Baker (14:45):
That's fantastic.
I'm so glad that, like thatwhole connection you met, you
talked and now, like betweenwhat you said, it was March and
April.
Lali Safavi (14:54):
March and May.
Between March and May, when weput Karina's cover out there,
Guadalupe called me like 10minutes later and she goes Lali,
that's what you're supposed togo.
She said Laliali, I cannotbelieve karina is on your cover.
I was just thinking about her.
I want to do this work with herand I titled, and I was like
guadalupe, I mean it was.
(15:15):
It was just, it was hilariousit was hilarious just like I
cannot believe this, but somethings are just meant to be yeah
, no one you open up a door youopen up a door absolutely so the
magazine has gifted thatcollaboration and I definitely
feel like that magazine also ourconnection, yes.
Chris Baker (15:34):
So I mean we got to briefly see each other passing
by in Lesbian Tasmanians as theywere doing some performances I
know you do some volunteer workfor them as well and we were
filming for them.
But it wasn't really until weactually started talking about
Skirts of Flow magazine thatreally kind of opened up our
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collaboration efforts.
Lali Safavi (15:56):
Talk a little bit about that.
Well, I had always seen you.
Chris Baker (15:59):
I had always seen you.
Lali Safavi (16:00):
I'm like, who is that man?
Yes, so you and I were alsopart of the chamber together, so
this all kind of happenedcontemporaneously, right?
So this, it's like we had thelesbian thespians connection and
I can't you have to remind mehow we actually got started
talking, like sitting down andtalking.
(16:21):
I think it was all a whirlwind,Like it was all we went from
like just being acquaintancesand seeing one another to all of
a sudden like I'm parked inyour office for four hours at a
time.
That's what happened.
Chris Baker (16:35):
Um, I know I know it was the chamber that really
kind of helped that and I thinkalso um, like didn't you know
you introduced us to diane yes,yes, that's right.
So no, it was a chamber we wejust met at multiple events.
We saw each other everywhere.
That's right.
So no, it was a chamber.
We just met at multiple events.
We saw each other everywhere.
Lali Safavi (16:49):
That's right.
Chris Baker (16:50):
And it just started to go.
We need to talk, that's right.
That's right, we need to talk.
Lali Safavi (16:55):
Because up to that point we had just been doing
print advertising, Correct?
Chris Baker (16:59):
Yes.
Lali Safavi (17:00):
And you do video marketing for nonprofits and
even though the magazine is notnonprofit, you took us on as a
charity case, which I'm forevergrateful for.
So Chris takes us on and says,OK, we'll wants to have print
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and a little bit of videoincluded.
Chris Baker (17:33):
We can help them, yeah, yeah.
Lali Safavi (17:35):
So that's how you and I ended up collaborating,
but I think that you and I arecollaborating on.
Chris Baker (17:40):
Multiple Since then .
Yeah, multiple things, so manythings, so many things.
Lali Safavi (17:44):
So I know you guys are going to be doing video work
for us during Wilton Women'sWeek.
Chris Baker (17:49):
Yes, that is something that's coming up.
Yes, yeah, we've got that andyou know, you introduce us to
Diane, which then we got tostart doing more things for the
Pride Center and being moreinvolved there.
So that was fantastic and we'reactually doing a collaboration
right now.
Lali Safavi (18:06):
We are, we are, we are.
We're actually doing acollaboration right now.
We are, we are, we are.
Chris Baker (18:08):
So the Skirt Foundation is one of the
recipients for this currentquarter of Headshots for a Cause
, and so if you're looking toget a new headshot, this is the
time to do it.
There's three nonprofits thatare being gifted the proceeds
from these headshots that we'regoing to create and Skirts of
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Flow, the World's AIDS Museumand Global Dreams USA.
Those are the three.
So anybody that goes toHeadshots 4 a Cause and that's
number four, headshots4 acause.
com you can choose where themoney goes One of those three,
or have it evenly distributedbetween all three of them, and
so you get a new headshot andyou get to do something amazing
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for a nonprofit.
This is a wonderful opportunitythat I get to continue our
collaboration efforts and moveforward.
Lali Safavi (18:57):
Yeah, you guys have been doing that for a while.
Chris Baker (18:59):
So we started at the end of 2024 as kind of like
a test pilot and we touched acouple of non-profits and then
we saw the potential for bigger,and now we've got more of a
system in place.
We've got three differentphotographers that are going to
be working with us and we'regoing to, you know, expand this.
so we're really hopeful thatthis can get off the ground.
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And then, you know, we'rewriting thousand dollar checks
at the end of every quarter toevery non nonprofit that's being
involved.
That is our ultimate dream, sothat we can help the community
thrive and grow, becauseeverybody should get a new
headshot every year.
Lali Safavi (19:36):
Lord knows, I need one.
Chris Baker (19:38):
Everybody needs a new headshot.
Looking forward, what are thestrategic priorities to help
further empower the women in thearts in the South Florida here
Okay, so there are three areasthat the Skirt Foundation
focuses on Health and well-beingLGBTQ and allied women.
Lali Safavi (19:54):
We don't, it's not just LGBTQ women, economic
advancement of women and womenin the arts.
So those are our three funds.
We provide primarily grantfunding in those three areas.
Provide primarily grant fundingin those three areas.
We are going to be doing ifpeople, organizations, approach
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us with programs that are kindof in our wheelhouse in one of
those three areas we will getmore hands-on and work to sort
of put together programs andcollaborate in that way.
But primarily what we do is wegive money women to do the
things that they want to do inthese areas.
So for the arts performing arts, visual arts, curation, arts,
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education, the art, business,art collection all of these
areas.
All of these areas are equallyimportant With health.
What we're really focusing on,you know, women's health.
Oftentimes, really, people onlyonly talk about it in October,
we only talk about breast cancerand that's really.
That's really it.
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It's like once we do that, thenwe sort of put the lid on that.
Women have many, many healthissues that go completely
unaddressed.
Women in HIV is a huge concern.
We have to get it.
You know.
We really need to get into thecommunities where that is felt
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most strongly.
I'm not sure if that communityis Hilton Manors.
It really isn't.
It's minority communities.
Chris Baker (21:27):
Yeah, it's not always.
Lali Safavi (21:29):
Yeah, women's health before and after
menopause in different, you know, different, different times in
their lives, very, verydifferent concerns.
So, you know, mental health,all of these.
We really want to supportcomprehensive women's health and
well-being and we actually havebeen talking to a couple of
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organizations aboutcollaborating with them, one on
the nutritional front andanother in care for young women
who I, until yesterday, I wasnot even aware of how shoddy the
care that they, that a lot ofthem, have been receiving.
So you know, it's, it's, it's alearning, it's a.
(22:11):
It's a huge learning curve, youknow, as we sort of get into it
with these, with these otherorganizations who are dealing
with it on a day-to-day basis.
Right, but we definitely wantto put resources toward that.
The Women's Economic, theEconomic Advancement Fund, the
money, the grant funding thatwe're going to be doing there is
going to be specifically forseed money for women to be able
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to launch organizations, exactlythe same way that the hour fund
did for us.
Chris Baker (22:40):
It is going to.
Lali Safavi (22:42):
It is going to pay dividends.
It's going to growexponentially.
What that?
That little amount that theygave to us $5,000,
organizationally speaking is nota huge sum, but it's huge for
us.
That is what we want to do forother organizations.
Organizations is to be able togive them seed funding to be
able to get their organizationsoff the ground In terms of
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programming for women'sadvancement, economic
advancement.
We would really love to puttogether some sort of training
series where an organizationlike yours comes in and talks to
women, either in business or inthe nonprofit arena, about
video marketing, about using AI,about automations, about
(23:24):
effective social media marketing, about writing a business plan
about calendaring about blockingoff your day, about routines
and things that allow you tomove efficiently through your
day, efficiently through yourorganization, efficiently
through your life.
Chris Baker (23:42):
So important.
Lali Safavi (23:43):
Absolutely.
It's incredible and it is thedownfall of so many people right
here, right here, okay, becauseyou, just you know there's just
so many, so many tools outthere that we can use too.
Chris Baker (23:56):
And it gets overwhelming Totally.
If there's too many options, itcan get overwhelming and then
like, well, I tried this one,now I have to try this one, and
then it just becomes this wasteof money yeah because you're I
tried this one, it didn't work.
Tried this one, it didn't work,and then you just don't know
where to turn.
Lali Safavi (24:11):
So yeah, and everything is on a subscription
basis too, so it's like you'repaying five dollars here, seven
dollars there, eleven dollarsthere.
Before you know it, you'reyou're spending four hundred
dollars a month on subscriptionsthat you're not using
effectively, correct?
Chris Baker (24:24):
so and, and.
That adds up.
Lali Safavi (24:26):
It adds, it adds up and in.
Chris Baker (24:29):
It's good business for that subscription model, but
it's not for you know, you haveto find the ones that this is
what I need and this is what Ineed and I don't need all these
other ones strategicallyplanning what programs are going
to make the most impact and themost difference for your
business?
Lali Safavi (24:44):
You don't need them all.
No, you don't.
Chris Baker (24:46):
You only may need one or two, and that will
survive you for the first year,the first two years, and then at
that point take anotherstrategic look.
Do I need something else?
Will this help benefit me ornot?
But yeah, it's taking thosemoments you know it's that.
Lali Safavi (24:59):
It's that saying of drill one or two holes very
deeply instead of drilling awhole bunch very shallow.
Chris Baker (25:09):
You know it's not going to get you anywhere it's
just not going to get you sotrue, all right.
So, as we wrap up, I have onequestion I ask all my guests,
yes, and that what is the legacythat you hope to leave behind
through your work for futuregenerations?
Lali Safavi (25:24):
We, the Skirt Foundation, change the face of
South Florida entirely for womenright now and this might come
as news to people who are not inthe LGBTQ community South
Florida is really known for.
It's very well known in the gaymale community with Wilton
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Manors and with South Beach.
It's really not, you know,women kind of don't see it as a
destination in general.
I hear all the time there is nowomen's community here.
In actuality there is anenormous women's community, far
more yeah far more than peoplerealize.
They may not constantly be onWilton Drive, but they are there
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and what they need is a glue tobring them out and bring them
together for you to see wherethey are and who they are and
what they are.
We want to transform the faceof South Florida and make it an
absolute destination for women'sorganizations, for women's
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business, for women's tourism.
Me personally, in the back ofmy mind, because I love the
visual arts, broward County iszeroing in on revolutionizing
the visual arts, women's visualarts, in Broward County.
Miami-dade cannot be, and Ilove Miami-Dade.
(26:50):
Please, there's nothing, I havenothing, but Miami-Dade cannot
be.
The only county here is viewedas an arts.
You know, an arts, a creativeMecca, it just can't be.
Is viewed as an arts, you know,an arts, a creative Mecca, it
just can't.
It can't be.
We, we are absolutely ready forit, in need of it.
I'm so excited about what we'regoing to be doing in the arts.
Chris Baker (27:10):
I'm looking forward to this.
It sounds amazing.
Lali Safavi (27:12):
It's going to be terrific.
It's going to be terrific.
That is a much longer term.
You know that's we really haveto lay the foundation like a but
.
That's going to be a longerterm project.
But I guarantee you that infive years, if you and I sit
down at this table again, you'llbe like you told me that this
was going to happen.
I'm telling you, amazing thingsare going to happen.
Chris Baker (27:34):
No, honestly, I hope that we're still making
episodes for Visual Eyes andfive years from now, you come
back on the show and you're likethis is exactly what happened.
This is what I was looking for,Absolutely.
Lali Safavi (27:45):
When you have your network, that'll be when you
have your network.
Chris Baker (27:52):
Yeah, let's, let's turn that into our own network.
I'll take that, I will.
That would be an amazing legacyfor Visuals by Momo.
That would be amazing.
So again,L ali, thank you somuch for coming on the show and
everyone, stay tuned for ournext episode of Visual Eyes.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, thank you forjoining me on this episode of
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Welcome to Visual Eyes, the podcast where
collaboration fuels change.
I'm your host, Chris Baker, andeach week we'll explore
incredible connections betweennonprofits, businesses and the
community.
This is a space where wehighlight inspiring partnerships
, uncover strategies forcreating meaningful impact and
share stories that show howworking together can make all
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the difference.
Whether you're a nonprofitleader, a business owner or
someone just passionate aboutbuilding connections, this
podcast is for you.
Welcome everyone to Visual Eyes.
Today we have Lali, and I'm notgoing to be able to say her
last name, Safavi.
I know I was going to get herfirst name right because I've
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worked on that for a while now.
Lely, welcome to the show.
We're going to have a littlebit of a laugh on this one,
because we are good friends.
Lali Safavi (00:54):
Yes, thank you, chris.
Thank you for having me.
Chris Baker (00:56):
So can you share your journey from practicing law
creating the Skirt Foundation?
Lali Safavi (01:02):
Sure, it's been a pretty long journey.
When I I guess I was practicinglaw in the mid 2000s, I was in
Washington DC.
I studied tax law.
I was actually practicingimmigration and family law
practice for a few years.
I didn't care for it and so I Itransitioned in a very unlikely
way that that's not really whatwe're talking about here today,
(01:25):
but I transitioned to smallbusiness and I ended up, maybe
around 2009, purchasing a smallbusiness that I owned for about
12 years.
I ended up selling that smallbusiness in 2020 when COVID
started taking that money andmoving down to Florida from the
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DC area.
So I moved down to FloridaSeptember of 2020.
A couple of years after that, Istarted a women's arts and
lifestyle magazine called SpurtsSoFlo.
That's based in Fort Lauderdale.
I have two other women who runthat with me, diane Papafotis
and Pamela Boucher and we'vebeen doing that for the last
couple of years, but always withthe intention of expanding it
(02:10):
to move it into the nonprofitspace with a foundation.
The magazine itself is afor-profit business, but it's a
very mission based for-profitand we, you know, we advocate,
we highlight unknown women inSouth Florida who are doing
amazing things, we advocate forthem, we promote them and in a
sense, that's what we're doingwith the Skirt Foundation as
(02:32):
well.
So we just launched that inSeptember of 2024.
And we just had our first fullboard meeting last night.
And so you know, exciting thingsare happening.
Chris Baker (02:41):
Here's to 2025.
Lali Safavi (02:43):
Here's to 2025.
Chris Baker (02:44):
Yeah the Skirt Foundation.
This will be amazing.
All right, so some of thecollaborations so I want you to
think about.
You know, has there been anycollaboration efforts that you
worked with other nonprofits forbusiness that really kind of
like highlight and help yousucceed in getting the
foundation off to the ground?
Lali Safavi (03:05):
So right now what we're doing is we are planning
our very first fundraiser, whichis scheduled for February 7th
at Independence Hall in Bolton,manors.
Collaboration is something thatI believe is essential with
nonprofits essential withnonprofits, you know, a lot of
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the time we human beings, beingwhat they are and having a
natural sort of competitivesense, want to oftentimes stay
in their bubble, fight withothers for donors, for donor
dollars and things like this.
But at the end of the day, in acommunity, I think that when
you collaborate and youcollaborate honestly and
effectively with otherorganizations, it only makes you
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stronger.
It's one of the areas that wereally emphasize on our website,
in our mission and really everyCEO that I speak to with other
nonprofit organizations.
When I speak with them, Ialways open that door and say
listen, if you know, if they'rea like-minded organization, I
always say if there is anopportunity for us to work
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together on something down theroad, just know that we're very
open.
So in the in creating thisfundraiser, I reached out to an
organization that actuallysupports women's causes a great
deal that our fund founded,based in Wilton Manors, and they
, you know we're a grant fundingorganization.
They're a grant fundingorganization and so there it was
(04:33):
kind of like why, you know,does it make sense for us to
support you?
And so I actually went in thereand I spoke with their CEO,
david Jobin, who's very, who'sjust an incredible guy, and you
know I put it out there I said,listen, you know, I know that
we're fighting for the samedonor dollars, but at the end of
the day, you know, this is awomen's organization, that if we
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become strong, we only make ourcommunity stronger.
You know the community that weall live in.
And so he was like okay, well,let me go talk to my chair and
everything.
And then for two and a halfweeks I didn't hear from him and
he comes back and he's like,yeah, we'll support you.
I can't tell you how much of adifference that money makes in
allowing us at this stage, wherewe are a tiny little acorn in
(05:19):
this landscape, to get ouroperations up and running and
start doing the work that wereally want to be doing.
I will never forget that.
We will never forget that as anorganization.
So if our fund down the roadcomes back and says, hey, you
know, we would like to partneron X, there won't be any
(05:40):
question.
You know what I mean, becausethe partnerships are more than
just strategic business.
They are they're, they're humanconnections.
Chris Baker (05:48):
So collaboration is huge.
No, I completely agree and Ithink you said it extremely well
.
You know you're opening upthose doors and you're making
those connections that are goingto have lifelong ripples, not
only in just the humaninteraction that we have, the
connections that we're making,but also, as like you said, the
community Skirt Foundation isgoing to be doing so much more,
(06:10):
Our fund will be able to do somuch more, and the collaboration
is just going to be amazing.
I love it.
That's fantastic.
So, launching a foundationdedicated to gender equality
prevents a unique challenge.
So what key lessons have youlearned in establishing the
Skirt Foundation, particularlyto engaging with the LGBTQ plus
community?
Lali Safavi (06:30):
Well, it's very interesting because I am not
actually a person who pays awhole lot of attention in my own
personal life to oh, thisperson didn't treat me like they
treated that person.
It's not something that I'maware of, but in putting
together the website for ourfoundation, in doing research
(06:54):
into the treatment of womenacross the country and also in
South Florida, the treatment ofwomen in other nonprofit
organizations in the arts, inareas of health and wellness, it
was very eye-opening that wehave not really moved the needle
(07:15):
much in the last 20 years.
Women still get paid 80 cents onthe dollar and 20 years ago
they got paid 80 cents to everydollar earned by a man, and
that's pretty much across theboard.
Women's health issues are notas well funded Women in
nonprofits.
Stats for that are prettystaggering.
(07:35):
Close to 80% of employees ofnonprofit organizations are
women and only about 20% maybe alittle over 20% are in senior
positions in nonprofitorganizations.
So one of the main criteriathat we are going to be using in
our grant funding is we want toprovide resources to
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organizations that have adedication to their people
equally, their people equally,paying their people equally to
having selection processes,promotion, hiring practices and
(08:19):
policies indicate to us thatthey are dedicated equal
treatment, to gender equity, togender parity.
What I found in our this is avery long winded way of
answering your question.
What I found is that the exactsame inequities exist in the
LGBTQ community as in the exactsame thing that women have
fought for outside of ourcommunity.
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The exact same conditions existhere.
Same conditions exist here.
So I think that you know we'redoing good work in that regard.
I think that we have our eye ona good outcome.
You know, as we kind of gothrough all of the proposals
that are coming and decidingwhat to fund and what not to
(09:00):
fund, what organizations to fundand not, A little bit more
about you know that engagement.
Chris Baker (09:06):
I know you're still very new, the foundation has
just been started, but how isthe the community, the lgbt
community, really kind ofresponded to it so far?
I mean, like I said, you justhad your first board meeting,
but I know that you've had thisin talks and you've been
bringing it up, probably throughskirt, so flow magazine and
other and other avenues oftrying to get people aware.
(09:28):
So what has?
How has the engagement been?
Lali Safavi (09:31):
The engagement has been.
I think it's been terrific,because I don't.
I think that this kind of cameout of left field for a lot of
people, because they're justsort of settling in with us only
having the magazine in printfor about a year, even though
creating the foundation wasalways our plan, was always on
(09:52):
our radar.
It completely came out of leftfield for a lot of people, so it
surprised them.
It's really being viewed as ahuge stepping stone, a huge
elevation in the women'scommunity.
We are an organization.
At the end of the day, we don'tdo projects of our own.
We deal in money.
That is what we deal in.
(10:14):
It is the lifeblood.
Any initiative, anyorganization, any business, any
arts endeavor.
It all comes down to resources,and to have an organization
that is 100% dedicated toproviding resources to 100%
women is a huge.
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We want to be a pillar in ourcommunity, allow the health, the
wealth, the arts in the women'scommunity.
That's what we want.
That is our vision and I thinkpeople are starting to really
pay attention.
We'll see.
The gauge is really going to beat the fundraiser to see how
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people react to our sort of.
It's going to be kind of likeour coming out party.
Chris Baker (10:59):
Yeah, no, no, it is .
Lali Safavi (11:00):
It's more of your welcome party and you know
you're probably going to have tohave more.
Chris Baker (11:09):
But definitely know it's.
It is it's more of your likewelcome party and you know
you're probably going to have tohave more but yeah, definitely
this is going to be a reallygood start.
That's awesome skirt, so slowmagazine spotlighted like
contributions from the lgbtwomen.
Uh, in art and in business, canyou describe some of the or
discuss some of the impact thatthat has made?
Maybe a success story thatreally stands out to you guys as
an organization?
Lali Safavi (11:26):
Yeah, you know it's .
Having a magazine is reallystrange because you create this
thing and you can only reallycreate what you are interested
in.
You can't really write too wellabout things that you think
people want to write but likeyou don't really care about.
So you kind of put yourself outthere and you're like okay, I'm
going to create this magazine,I'm going to put it out, let's
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see who picks it up.
Is anyone picking it up?
Is anyone reading it?
These are questions that westill ask ourselves.
Really, the only times that Ican feel 100% good is when I get
feedback from people on howsomething that we've written or
what we're doing is affectingthem.
So a success story.
It's very interesting.
(12:08):
Our March issue, which was onlyour second issue, had the cover,
had a photographer, a Mexicanphotographer, who I didn't just
like, maybe a couple of weeksbefore beforehand, had didn't
even have, you know, money forpaper to print her photos on.
I came across this woman atUntitled Art during Miami Art
Week 2023.
(12:28):
I saw her photographs and Ispoke with the woman who was
representing her.
The artist wasn't here.
She couldn't get a visa to comeinto the country.
I spoke with a representative.
This woman Guadalupe.
She runs an arts collective inMexico City.
So she was telling me aboutthis photographer whose work I
was seeing on the wall in MiamiMitzi Falcon, so Guadalupe and I
(12:49):
actually ended up doing aninterview with Mitzi on the
phone from Mexico.
That's how I got to know them.
So she ended up on the.
Mitzi ended up on the cover ofour March issue.
A couple of months later, inMay, we put Karina Mask, who's a
very well-known photographerdown here in South Florida and a
good friend.
We put her on the cover of ourmagazine.
(13:10):
Didn't think anything of it.
It was great.
Everyone was like oh Karina,that's fabulous.
Chris Baker (13:15):
We love your work.
Lali Safavi (13:16):
Two months later, all of a sudden, I find out that
, untitled, art 2024 has thetheme going of East meets West.
Okay, karina is.
Okay, guadalupe is Mexican.
Out of nowhere, the two of thempartner up.
Chris Baker (13:35):
Oh my gosh.
Lali Safavi (13:35):
Create the most incredible exhibit at Untitled,
art 2024.
And at the end of Untitled,we're invited they were the only
booth from that entire showinvited to Tokyo to show the
exact exhibit that they wereshowing in Miami.
And then the exhibit is comingto Mexico to be shown in Mexico.
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All of that got started becauseof these two covers, sort of
making the parties aware of oneanother and putting these people
on one another's radar.
Chris Baker (14:11):
that is a success story oh, that's a huge success
story.
Yes, and I mean the wholereason for our podcast is
collaboration.
That is collaboration like on,like global level absolutely
incredible.
Lali Safavi (14:23):
Yes, and we're hoping to get three or four of
the pieces that can be put oneasels because the exhibit is
massive.
Yeah, um, we're hoping to getthree or four of the pieces that
can be put on easels becausethe exhibit is massive.
Yeah, we're hoping to get threeor four of those pieces to be
able to show them at thefundraiser.
Guadalupe is also on our boardbecause we have very, very big
plans for our arts program inBroward, so you know we really
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want her involved.
Chris Baker (14:45):
That's fantastic.
I'm so glad that, like thatwhole connection you met, you
talked and now, like betweenwhat you said, it was March and
April.
Lali Safavi (14:54):
March and May.
Between March and May, when weput Karina's cover out there,
Guadalupe called me like 10minutes later and she goes Lali,
that's what you're supposed togo.
She said Laliali, I cannotbelieve karina is on your cover.
I was just thinking about her.
I want to do this work with herand I titled, and I was like
guadalupe, I mean it was.
(15:15):
It was just, it was hilariousit was hilarious just like I
cannot believe this, but somethings are just meant to be yeah
, no one you open up a door youopen up a door absolutely so the
magazine has gifted thatcollaboration and I definitely
feel like that magazine also ourconnection, yes.
Chris Baker (15:34):
So I mean we got to briefly see each other passing
by in Lesbian Tasmanians as theywere doing some performances I
know you do some volunteer workfor them as well and we were
filming for them.
But it wasn't really until weactually started talking about
Skirts of Flow magazine thatreally kind of opened up our
(15:55):
collaboration efforts.
Lali Safavi (15:56):
Talk a little bit about that.
Well, I had always seen you.
Chris Baker (15:59):
I had always seen you.
Lali Safavi (16:00):
I'm like, who is that man?
Yes, so you and I were alsopart of the chamber together, so
this all kind of happenedcontemporaneously, right?
So this, it's like we had thelesbian thespians connection and
I can't you have to remind mehow we actually got started
talking, like sitting down andtalking.
(16:21):
I think it was all a whirlwind,Like it was all we went from
like just being acquaintancesand seeing one another to all of
a sudden like I'm parked inyour office for four hours at a
time.
That's what happened.
Chris Baker (16:35):
Um, I know I know it was the chamber that really
kind of helped that and I thinkalso um, like didn't you know
you introduced us to diane yes,yes, that's right.
So no, it was a chamber we wejust met at multiple events.
We saw each other everywhere.
That's right.
So no, it was a chamber.
We just met at multiple events.
We saw each other everywhere.
Lali Safavi (16:49):
That's right.
Chris Baker (16:50):
And it just started to go.
We need to talk, that's right.
That's right, we need to talk.
Lali Safavi (16:55):
Because up to that point we had just been doing
print advertising, Correct?
Chris Baker (16:59):
Yes.
Lali Safavi (17:00):
And you do video marketing for nonprofits and
even though the magazine is notnonprofit, you took us on as a
charity case, which I'm forevergrateful for.
So Chris takes us on and says,OK, we'll wants to have print
(17:31):
and a little bit of videoincluded.
Chris Baker (17:33):
We can help them, yeah, yeah.
Lali Safavi (17:35):
So that's how you and I ended up collaborating,
but I think that you and I arecollaborating on.
Chris Baker (17:40):
Multiple Since then .
Yeah, multiple things, so manythings, so many things.
Lali Safavi (17:44):
So I know you guys are going to be doing video work
for us during Wilton Women'sWeek.
Chris Baker (17:49):
Yes, that is something that's coming up.
Yes, yeah, we've got that andyou know, you introduce us to
Diane, which then we got tostart doing more things for the
Pride Center and being moreinvolved there.
So that was fantastic and we'reactually doing a collaboration
right now.
Lali Safavi (18:06):
We are, we are, we are.
We're actually doing acollaboration right now.
We are, we are, we are.
Chris Baker (18:08):
So the Skirt Foundation is one of the
recipients for this currentquarter of Headshots for a Cause
, and so if you're looking toget a new headshot, this is the
time to do it.
There's three nonprofits thatare being gifted the proceeds
from these headshots that we'regoing to create and Skirts of
(18:28):
Flow, the World's AIDS Museumand Global Dreams USA.
Those are the three.
So anybody that goes toHeadshots 4 a Cause and that's
number four, headshots4 acause.
com you can choose where themoney goes One of those three,
or have it evenly distributedbetween all three of them, and
so you get a new headshot andyou get to do something amazing
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for a nonprofit.
This is a wonderful opportunitythat I get to continue our
collaboration efforts and moveforward.
Lali Safavi (18:57):
Yeah, you guys have been doing that for a while.
Chris Baker (18:59):
So we started at the end of 2024 as kind of like
a test pilot and we touched acouple of non-profits and then
we saw the potential for bigger,and now we've got more of a
system in place.
We've got three differentphotographers that are going to
be working with us and we'regoing to, you know, expand this.
so we're really hopeful thatthis can get off the ground.
(19:22):
And then, you know, we'rewriting thousand dollar checks
at the end of every quarter toevery non nonprofit that's being
involved.
That is our ultimate dream, sothat we can help the community
thrive and grow, becauseeverybody should get a new
headshot every year.
Lali Safavi (19:36):
Lord knows, I need one.
Chris Baker (19:38):
Everybody needs a new headshot.
Looking forward, what are thestrategic priorities to help
further empower the women in thearts in the South Florida here
Okay, so there are three areasthat the Skirt Foundation
focuses on Health and well-beingLGBTQ and allied women.
Lali Safavi (19:54):
We don't, it's not just LGBTQ women, economic
advancement of women and womenin the arts.
So those are our three funds.
We provide primarily grantfunding in those three areas.
Provide primarily grant fundingin those three areas.
We are going to be doing ifpeople, organizations, approach
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us with programs that are kindof in our wheelhouse in one of
those three areas we will getmore hands-on and work to sort
of put together programs andcollaborate in that way.
But primarily what we do is wegive money women to do the
things that they want to do inthese areas.
So for the arts performing arts, visual arts, curation, arts,
(20:40):
education, the art, business,art collection all of these
areas.
All of these areas are equallyimportant With health.
What we're really focusing on,you know, women's health.
Oftentimes, really, people onlyonly talk about it in October,
we only talk about breast cancerand that's really.
That's really it.
(21:00):
It's like once we do that, thenwe sort of put the lid on that.
Women have many, many healthissues that go completely
unaddressed.
Women in HIV is a huge concern.
We have to get it.
You know.
We really need to get into thecommunities where that is felt
(21:20):
most strongly.
I'm not sure if that communityis Hilton Manors.
It really isn't.
It's minority communities.
Chris Baker (21:27):
Yeah, it's not always.
Lali Safavi (21:29):
Yeah, women's health before and after
menopause in different, you know, different, different times in
their lives, very, verydifferent concerns.
So, you know, mental health,all of these.
We really want to supportcomprehensive women's health and
well-being and we actually havebeen talking to a couple of
(21:49):
organizations aboutcollaborating with them, one on
the nutritional front andanother in care for young women
who I, until yesterday, I wasnot even aware of how shoddy the
care that they, that a lot ofthem, have been receiving.
So you know, it's, it's, it's alearning, it's a.
(22:11):
It's a huge learning curve, youknow, as we sort of get into it
with these, with these otherorganizations who are dealing
with it on a day-to-day basis.
Right, but we definitely wantto put resources toward that.
The Women's Economic, theEconomic Advancement Fund, the
money, the grant funding thatwe're going to be doing there is
going to be specifically forseed money for women to be able
(22:34):
to launch organizations, exactlythe same way that the hour fund
did for us.
Chris Baker (22:40):
It is going to.
Lali Safavi (22:42):
It is going to pay dividends.
It's going to growexponentially.
What that?
That little amount that theygave to us $5,000,
organizationally speaking is nota huge sum, but it's huge for
us.
That is what we want to do forother organizations.
Organizations is to be able togive them seed funding to be
able to get their organizationsoff the ground In terms of
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programming for women'sadvancement, economic
advancement.
We would really love to puttogether some sort of training
series where an organizationlike yours comes in and talks to
women, either in business or inthe nonprofit arena, about
video marketing, about using AI,about automations, about
(23:24):
effective social media marketing, about writing a business plan
about calendaring about blockingoff your day, about routines
and things that allow you tomove efficiently through your
day, efficiently through yourorganization, efficiently
through your life.
Chris Baker (23:42):
So important.
Lali Safavi (23:43):
Absolutely.
It's incredible and it is thedownfall of so many people right
here, right here, okay, becauseyou, just you know there's just
so many, so many tools outthere that we can use too.
Chris Baker (23:56):
And it gets overwhelming Totally.
If there's too many options, itcan get overwhelming and then
like, well, I tried this one,now I have to try this one, and
then it just becomes this wasteof money yeah because you're I
tried this one, it didn't work.
Tried this one, it didn't work,and then you just don't know
where to turn.
Lali Safavi (24:11):
So yeah, and everything is on a subscription
basis too, so it's like you'repaying five dollars here, seven
dollars there, eleven dollarsthere.
Before you know it, you'reyou're spending four hundred
dollars a month on subscriptionsthat you're not using
effectively, correct?
Chris Baker (24:24):
so and, and.
That adds up.
Lali Safavi (24:26):
It adds, it adds up and in.
Chris Baker (24:29):
It's good business for that subscription model, but
it's not for you know, you haveto find the ones that this is
what I need and this is what Ineed and I don't need all these
other ones strategicallyplanning what programs are going
to make the most impact and themost difference for your
business?
Lali Safavi (24:44):
You don't need them all.
No, you don't.
Chris Baker (24:46):
You only may need one or two, and that will
survive you for the first year,the first two years, and then at
that point take anotherstrategic look.
Do I need something else?
Will this help benefit me ornot?
But yeah, it's taking thosemoments you know it's that.
Lali Safavi (24:59):
It's that saying of drill one or two holes very
deeply instead of drilling awhole bunch very shallow.
Chris Baker (25:09):
You know it's not going to get you anywhere it's
just not going to get you sotrue, all right.
So, as we wrap up, I have onequestion I ask all my guests,
yes, and that what is the legacythat you hope to leave behind
through your work for futuregenerations?
Lali Safavi (25:24):
We, the Skirt Foundation, change the face of
South Florida entirely for womenright now and this might come
as news to people who are not inthe LGBTQ community South
Florida is really known for.
It's very well known in the gaymale community with Wilton
(25:45):
Manors and with South Beach.
It's really not, you know,women kind of don't see it as a
destination in general.
I hear all the time there is nowomen's community here.
In actuality there is anenormous women's community, far
more yeah far more than peoplerealize.
They may not constantly be onWilton Drive, but they are there
(26:07):
and what they need is a glue tobring them out and bring them
together for you to see wherethey are and who they are and
what they are.
We want to transform the faceof South Florida and make it an
absolute destination for women'sorganizations, for women's
(26:27):
business, for women's tourism.
Me personally, in the back ofmy mind, because I love the
visual arts, broward County iszeroing in on revolutionizing
the visual arts, women's visualarts, in Broward County.
Miami-dade cannot be, and Ilove Miami-Dade.
(26:50):
Please, there's nothing, I havenothing, but Miami-Dade cannot
be.
The only county here is viewedas an arts.
You know, an arts, a creativeMecca, it just can't be.
Is viewed as an arts, you know,an arts, a creative Mecca, it
just can't.
It can't be.
We, we are absolutely ready forit, in need of it.
I'm so excited about what we'regoing to be doing in the arts.
Chris Baker (27:10):
I'm looking forward to this.
It sounds amazing.
Lali Safavi (27:12):
It's going to be terrific.
It's going to be terrific.
That is a much longer term.
You know that's we really haveto lay the foundation like a but
.
That's going to be a longerterm project.
But I guarantee you that infive years, if you and I sit
down at this table again, you'llbe like you told me that this
was going to happen.
I'm telling you, amazing thingsare going to happen.
Chris Baker (27:34):
No, honestly, I hope that we're still making
episodes for Visual Eyes andfive years from now, you come
back on the show and you're likethis is exactly what happened.
This is what I was looking for,Absolutely.
Lali Safavi (27:45):
When you have your network, that'll be when you
have your network.
Chris Baker (27:52):
Yeah, let's, let's turn that into our own network.
I'll take that, I will.
That would be an amazing legacyfor Visuals by Momo.
That would be amazing.
So again,L ali, thank you somuch for coming on the show and
everyone, stay tuned for ournext episode of Visual Eyes.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, thank you forjoining me on this episode of
(28:16):
Visual Eyes.
We hope that the inspirationand practical insights can help
you foster stronger connectionsand meaningful change.
Don't forget to subscribe,share the episode and leave us a
review.
To learn more about Visuals byMomo and how we support
collaboration and storytelling,visit visualsbymomo.
com.
A huge thank you to everyoneout there listening.
Until next time, remember,collaboration fuels change and
(28:40):
your connections can inspire theworld.
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