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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Deep
Dive.
We're here to explore medicalresearch and really bring you
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
And we're part of the
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Today we are taking a
deep dive into a well, a really
interesting study.
It just came out in the NewEngland Journal of Medicine.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, it's looking at
a potential game changer for
heart health and it involves adrug many folks already know.
Actually, Colchicine,colchicine you know, I think
most people like you said, theyhear colchicine, they think gout
right or maybe pericarditis,heart health probably doesn't
even come up.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So okay, let's unpack
this.
This sounds really important.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
It is.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Our mission today
really is to understand what
this research found.
What could it mean forpreventing future heart problems
, specifically after a heartattack?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Exactly, and this is
the kind of, you know,
potentially transformativeinformation that we at Life LMD
are always tracking.
It could be crucial for yourwellness journey, definitely.
So.
To really get this colchicinestudy, we probably need some
background first.
Inflammation and heart disease,right.
What's the link there?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Right.
Well, it's pretty wellestablished now.
We've known for quite a whilethat inflammation is a key
player in atherosclerosis.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
That's the plaque
buildup in the arteries.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Exactly the stuff
that can lead to heart attacks
and strokes.
So inflammation is deeplyinvolved in that whole process.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
So it's not just, you
know, cholesterol, there's this
whole other angle.
Weren't there some previousattempts to target inflammation
for heart disease?
How did those go?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, there's been a
lot of interest there.
So, for example, the CANTOStrial looked at a drug called
canakinumab.
It targeted a specificinflammatory protein and it did
show about a 15% lower risk ofcardiovascular events.
But there was a catch it alsoled to an increased risk of
serious infections, some evenfatal.
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So, that was a major concern.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Okay, not ideal.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Not ideal.
Then there was another study,the CR trial, which looked at
methotrexate.
That's a commonanti-inflammatory drug.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Right used for
arthritis and things.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Exactly, but
unfortunately it showed no
benefit at all forcardiovascular outcomes in that
study.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Huh, so the search
was definitely still on for
something safe and effective.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Precisely, which
brings us back to colchicine.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Okay, so colchicine,
you said people know it.
It's not a new drug then.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oh, not at all, it's
actually.
Well, it's ancient really.
It comes from the autumn crocusplant.
It's been used for centuries.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Centuries wow.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, and it's
inexpensive.
You take it orally and it's apotent anti-inflammatory.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
So how does it work?
What's it doing inside the bodyto fight inflammation?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well, its main
mechanism is pretty interesting.
It interferes with somethingcalled tubulin polymerization.
Basically, it messes with theinternal scaffolding, the
microtubules inside cells.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
And by doing that it
seems to dampen down various
inflammatory pathways.
The study mentions effects onthings like cell adhesion
molecules, certain signalingchemicals called cumakines and
even this key immune complexcalled the inflammasome.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
The inflammasome.
That sounds important.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It really is a
central hub for inflammation.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And just quickly,
what's colchicine normally used
for the approved uses?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Right.
So typically it's for gout, aswe mentioned also familial
Mediterranean fever, which is agenetic inflammatory condition,
and pericarditis that'sinflammation around the heart.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Got it Now.
I feel like I heard somethingabout colchicine and heart
disease before this big study.
Was there an earlier trial?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
You're probably
thinking of the LODOCO trial,
lodoco.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
LODOCO yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, that one looked
at low-dose colchicine for
people with stable coronarydisease and it did suggest fewer
cardiovascular events.
But there's always a but Well,yeah, it was a smaller study and
, critically, it didn't have aplacebo group, it wasn't
placebo-controlled.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, so harder to
know for sure if the drug was
really responsible.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Exactly, which is why
this new study, the COLCOT
trial, is such a big deal.
It was designed to give us muchclearer answers.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
COLCOT.
Ok, so tell us about the setup.
How did they design thisColcott trial?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
So Colcott stands for
Colchicine Cardiovascular
Outcomes Trial, and its specificgoal was to rigorously test
Colchicine after a heart attack,looking at both cardiovascular
outcomes and long term safety.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
It's a randomized
double blind placebo controlled
trial.
That's really the gold standarddesign.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Double-blind, meaning
neither the patients nor the
doctors knew who was getting theactual colchicine and who got
the placebo correct.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Precisely Minimizes
bias.
Patients got a low dose, just0.5 milligrams once a day.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And the participants
were adults, all within 30 days
of having a heart attack.
Importantly, they'd already hadprocedures like angioplasty or
stents if needed, and they werealready on standard treatments.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Standard treatments
like statins.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yes, including
intensive statin therapy,
aspirin, other anti-platelets.
That works guidelinerecommended care.
There were some exclusions, ofcourse, like people with severe
heart failure or who'd had avery recent stroke.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Makes sense.
And what were they primarilylooking for?
What was the the primaryendpoint.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
The main thing they
measured was a composite.
It included several majorevents bundled together death
from cardiovascular causes,resuscitated cardiac arrest,
another heart attack, stroke oran urgent hospitalization for
angina chest pain that requiredanother procedure like stenting.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Okay, quite a
comprehensive list.
How many people and for howlong.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
They enrolled 40745
patients and the median
follow-up time was around 22.6months, so almost two years.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Almost two years.
Okay, the moment of truth.
What did they find?
What were the results?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well, the headline
finding is that the primary
outcome was significantly lowerin the coltacine group.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Significantly lower.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yes, it occurred in
5.5% of patients taking
coltacine, compared to 7.1percent in the placebo group.
That translates to a hazardratio of 0.77.
And the p-value was 0.02, whichindicates statistical
significance.
So a clear reduction in riskfor that combined endpoint.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Wow, that's pretty
impressive.
A 23 percent relative riskreduction roughly Right.
Can you break down that primaryendpoint?
Did colpsin affect all thosecomponents equally, or were some
drivers bigger than others?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Great question and
yes, there were differences.
The most striking effects wereseen for stroke and for urgent
hospitalization for anginaneeding revascularization.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Really Stroke.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, the risk of
stroke was reduced substantially
.
The hazard ratio is 0.26.
That's a huge drop 74% relativereduction.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
It is, and for the
urgent hospitalization for
angina needing a procedure, thehazard ratio was 0.50.
So basically a halving of thatrisk.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Also very significant
.
What about the other things?
Heart attack, cardiac arrest,cardiovascular death.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
For those components
cardiovascular death,
resuscitating cardiac arrest andsubsequent myocardial
infarction the hazard ratiosactually weren't statistically
significant on their own.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
The numbers sort of
trended in the right direction,
favoring colchicine, but theydidn't reach statistical
significance individually.
So it looks like the overallbenefit was really driven by
that reduction in stroke and theurgent revascularization for
angina.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I see.
So the main drivers were strokeand repeat procedures for chest
pain.
Did they look at any othercombined endpoints?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
They did.
They had a secondary endpointwhich was a composite of just
death from cardiovascular causes, cardiac arrest, mi or stroke.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
So similar to the
primary, but without the urgent
revascularization part.
For that secondary endpoint thehazard ratio was 0.85, and that
was not statisticallysignificant.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Okay, but the primary
endpoint, which included that
clinically important outcome ofneeding another procedure, was
significant.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Correct.
That's the key takeaway onefficacy.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
And it's really worth
stressing again right, this
benefit was seen in patients whoare already getting good
standard care aspirin, statins,everything.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Absolutely.
That's what makes itpotentially so important.
It suggests colchicine isadding something on top of our
current best treatments.
It implies that targeting thisinflammation pathway gives an
extra layer of protection.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Okay, crucial piece
Now the flip side safety.
Any medication can have sideeffects.
What did they see withcolchicine in this trial?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Good question.
Overall, the rate of adverseevents thought to be related to
the study drug was prettysimilar between the colchicine
and placebo groups.
The most commonly reportedthings, and perhaps expected
with colchicine, weregastrointestinal issues.
There was slightly morediarrhea in the colchicine group
, 9.7% versus 8.9%, though thatdifference wasn't statistically
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significant.
Nausea was also a bit higher,1.8% versus 1.0% of that was
statistically significant.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
All right, so mostly
some mild tummy upset.
Potentially Anything moreserious pop up.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yes, and this is
important.
There was a higher incidence ofpneumonia reported as a serious
adverse event in the colchicinegroup.
It was 0.9% versus 0.4% in theplacebo group and that
difference was statisticallysignificant.
Pneumonia Okay.
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That's also worth pointing outthat, unlike that canakinumab
drug from the Kantos trial,colchicine did not increase the
risk of septic shock.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
And another
reassuring point even though
almost all these patients wereon high-intensity statins, there
was no signal of serious muscleproblems or myopathy linked to
the colchicine.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Okay, that's good
news on the muscle front, given
the statin use, but thepneumonia signal is there.
So, pulling it all together,what are the main implications
here?
The big picture from Colcott.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Well, the main
conclusion is pretty clear
Low-dose colchicine given soonafter a heart attack
significantly cuts the risk ofmajor ischemic cardiovascular
events.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
And that benefit
seems largely driven by reducing
strokes and the need for urgentprocedures due to angina.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
But we need to be a
little careful about how far we
extend this right.
This was a specific grouppost-heart attack patients and
the follow-up was just under twoyears.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
That's exactly right.
It's a limitation.
We don't know the effectsbeyond that, say five or ten
years out.
So longer term studies aredefinitely needed to see if the
benefit holds up and if anysafety issues emerge over time.
And yes, these results applyspecifically to people who've
just had an MI.
We can't just assume it worksthe same way for, say, someone
with stable angina or othergroups.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Makes sense.
But it really hammers home thatpoint about inflammation,
doesn't it?
It suggests tacklinginflammation directly.
Even with an old drug likecolchicine can make a real
difference, on top ofcontrolling cholesterol and
platelets.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Precisely.
It adds significant weight tothe inflammation hypothesis of
cardiovascular disease.
It tells us that inflammationisn't just a bystander, it's an
active target for therapy.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
So, wrapping up here,
this major study suggests that
colchicine a drug most people,maybe even many doctors, only
associate with gout, mightactually be a valuable tool
after a heart attack.
It's cheap, it's available andit seems to add another layer of
protection by reducinginflammation.
It's quite surprising really.
This kind of information couldgenuinely change how we approach
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care after a heart attack.
It really underscores, you know, how much we're still learning
and the importance of lookingfor new angles in preventing
heart disease.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Absolutely.
It's a great example of howongoing research, even with
older medications, can lead topotentially significant advances
for patients.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
And for you listening
.
If you or someone you careabout has had a heart attack, or
if you're just keen on stayingahead of the curve with heart
health and prevention, well,this is exactly the kind of
cutting-edge research we followclosely here at LifeWellMDcom in
Florida.
That's right, we're committedto bringing these innovative
strategies in health, wellnessand longevity to our community.
If you want to learn more aboutthis colchicine research or
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discuss how the latest sciencemight fit into your personal
wellness plan, please give ourteam at LifeWellMD a call.
The number is 561-210-9999.
Let us help you start yourpersonalized wellness journey
today.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It really leaves you
thinking, doesn't it?
What if this simple existingmedication could truly alter the
long-term path for heart healthin a way we're just now
starting to appreciate?
It opens up some very excitingpossibilities to explore further
.