In this special bonus episode, I talk with author Catalina Margulis about her debut novel "Again, Only More Like You" which releases TODAY, April 29th, 2025! Catalina shares her journey from journalism and magazine editing to becoming an entrepreneur, book coach, and author while raising four children.
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In this episode, we discuss:
- How Catalina's experiences as a working mom inspired her novel's exploration of friendship between women on different sides of the motherhood spectrum
- The challenge of living authentically while balancing family responsibilities
- Finding creative fulfillment through "time sprints" and dedicated self-care that isn't just bubble baths
- Overcoming mom guilt when pursuing personal passions and career goals
- Embracing imperfection and focusing on your strengths as a parent
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- Book Website: againonlymorelikeyou.com
- Instagram: @catmargulis
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(00:02):
Have you ever looked at yourfriend's life and thought, I
wish my life was more likeyours?
Well, in today's bonus episode,I sit down with author catalina
Marles to discuss her debutnovel again, only more like You,
which is available now inbookstores everywhere.
(00:24):
This powerful story exploresfriendship.
Motherhood and the grass thatalways seems greener on the
other side.
Catina shares her journey frommagazine editor to mompreneur to
author and how she manages thebalance of pursuing creative
passions while raising fourchildren.
(00:45):
Whether you're feeling lost inMadre hood, struggling with
career transitions, or simplytrying to reconnect with your
authentic self, thisconversation is filled with.
So much wisdom about creating alife that honors both who you
are and who you want to become.
So without further ado, here ismy interview in this bonus
(01:08):
episode with Catalina Marli,author of, again, only More Like
You, which is now in bookstoreseverywhere.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (02:24):
Ola
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (02:24):
are you?
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (02:25):
how are you?
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (02:25):
I'm great.
Thank you for having me heretoday.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (02:29):
Yes.
I'm so excited for you to behere.
I am very honored to be one ofthe people that received your
advanced copy of
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (02:39):
Yay.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (02:39):
which I am so excited to talk about
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (02:42):
you.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (02:42):
share or listeners just a little bit
more about your novel and yourinspiration for writing in.
And we're definitely gonna talkabout mommy life as we talk, as
we speak.
But before we get into theconversation, uh, if you can
introduce yourself and share alittle bit more about who you
are to
catalina-margulis_1 (03:03):
Absolutely, I'd love to.
So my name is Catalina Margolis.
I am an author.
My book again, only More LikeYou, comes out, uh, soon.
April 29th, 2025.
Uh, I'm a speaker, I'm a bookcoach.
I am a former journalist, amagazine editor, and I'm a mom
of four.
Uh, I'm based in Toronto.
My family came here fromArgentina when I was a year old.
(03:26):
So I grew up in Toronto, Canada.
And, um.
My dad still winters there andwe've been back a bunch.
Love it.
Really ought to move.
There really ought to movethere.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (03:36):
please do.
I, I've been to Argentina.
This was during, I used to workin higher ed
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (03:42):
Oh.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (03:43):
I, I went for this like trip, 10
day trip to Uruguay and
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-20 (03:47):
Oh see?
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (03:47):
free.
I was just a chaperone with likecollege
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-20 (03:50):
Oh in.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (03:51):
and Yeah.
Yeah.
And I was like, oh my gosh, Ilove it here.
But the students were havingmore fun,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (03:56):
Yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (03:57):
know, because as a chaperone you have
to like.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (03:59):
Yes, you have to behave.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (04:00):
like, yes, you have to behave
yourself.
I was like, oh, I'm so jealous.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-202 (04:04):
I haven't been back.
So my aunt, she lives in, uh,right now, so when we go, we can
go to the beach and have thatexperience, but I haven't been
back.
We went when my son was.
I think three months old.
We went and he's 16 now, and itjust seems so daunting to take
all the kids and they justreally want to go to a beach.
They don't want to go to thecity.
But Zach has been really gettinginto his Latino heritage and
(04:29):
teaching himself Spanish off ofSpanish rap.
So
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (04:34):
That's awesome.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-20 (04:34):
so I think, um, last year or the
year before, he really wanted togo.
So he went down with my sisterand my mom was already there for
the winter.
And, uh, now I'm starting to getit from my other kids that they
really wanna see it and explore.
So I think we might be warmingup.
Maybe we'll go next, nextwinter.
We'll see.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (04:52):
yes,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (04:53):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (04:54):
takes one, you know, to then push
everyone else
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (04:56):
Yes.
Yeah, they're all kind ofgetting into it.
But, um, but yeah, so I grew upin, in Toronto, Canada, and, uh,
worked, uh, as a journalist andmagazine editor and worked at
fashion magazines and parentingmagazines and, uh, as eventually
as a lot of us mommies.
(05:17):
Uh, experience.
It got really hard to work for acorporation, an organization,
um, and, and be a mom at thesame time.
And so then it launched me, itforced me into entrepreneurship.
Uh, and my parents are allentrepreneurs, so, you know, it
was something I'd grown uparound and, um, being able to
(05:37):
control my time and my timeinvestment.
So I became, uh, anentrepreneur.
I had my own content agency formany years.
And, uh, got into personaldevelopment, loved it.
And between all of those thingsadding up together, I became a
book coach.
And that's, that's what I donow.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (05:56):
Wow.
That's
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (05:57):
Thank you.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (05:58):
That is great.
And.
At the time of this recording,your book hasn't launched, but
it will, once we publish thisepisode, it will be launched and
it'll be out in the public.
And that is very excitingbecause first of all, we need
more Latina authors.
I cannot stress this enough.
More representation.
(06:19):
And you being a Latina fromCanada, I think that is even
more amazing
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (06:23):
Hmm
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (06:23):
you're branching out.
And I know there is a hugepopulation of Latinos in, in
catalina-margulis_1_04- (06:28):
mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (06:29):
I know of, and I, I love it.
And so.
Like I said, I've been honoredto, to read your
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (06:37):
Yeah.
Thank you.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (06:38):
I, I loved it.
I think it's very relevant to mycurrent season of life.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (06:42):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (06:44):
It's no longer teenage romance
novels, you know,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (06:47):
Yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0 (06:48):
fantasy, if you will, but it's more so
it's reality.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (06:53):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (06:53):
life.
It's, it's basically where weare
catalina-margulis_1_04- (06:56):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025 (06:56):
especially for those who are transitioning
from their thirties to their
catalina-margulis_1_04- (06:59):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (07:00):
Um.
And so your novel explores a lotabout this intersection of
catalina-margulis_1_04- (07:05):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09 (07:06):
career, life, or transitions, uh,
friendships specifically.
And so can you share how yourpersonal experience influenced
the two main characters, Gotmanand Allie in your book?
Can you tell us a little bitmore
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (07:21):
Yeah, I love to, um, you know, it, it
happened when everything wascoming to a head for me.
You know, I, I, I live out inthe suburbs.
I have a family and it was likeI was living two lives.
Then I go to the city and Idon't talk about my family.
I don't talk about my kids'causethat's bad for business and just
trying to.
Have these two completelydifferent lives happening at the
(07:41):
same time, and it, it justcollided.
And I remember looking onNetflix and looking at
bookshelves and like, where,where am I?
Like, who do I turn to?
Who's been here before?
Who can help me through thismoment?
What does it, what does an.
Alternative life look like.
And, um, there's this TonyMorrison quote, which is that,
(08:03):
you know, if there's a book thatyou wanna read that hasn't been
written, you get to write it.
And so I said about doing justthat and, you know, asking
myself like, how do I get myselfthrough is, what does the other
side look like?
What's the best thing that couldhappen?
And, uh, and I, it was a chancefor me to vent and work it all
out on the page and give voiceto my experience, which I knew.
(08:24):
My friends were going through atthe same time, just the
impossibility of being a workingmom and uh, dealing with all
that.
And then I also had a lot of mysingle friends that were
wondering, you know, is thatgonna happen for me?
Like, they're looking at ourlives, thinking our lives are
amazing.
And they're like, I want that.
I wanna have the house in thesuburbs.
I wanna have a husband.
I wanna have the kid and I'mrunning out of time.
(08:47):
Is it gonna happen?
Do I have to go on my own?
And um, so both of usquestioning where we were in our
life and.
What were we gonna do about it?
Where were we gonna go fromhere?
And so that really inspired meto have those two characters.
And also it was also an exerciseto, to play with, you know, am I
happy with the way things haveturned out?
And if there's still time, whatwould I do differently?
(09:10):
Uh, and yeah, it was, it wasreally, really fun to write and
be able to write from twocompletely different.
Female experience andperspectives, and then how they,
how they, how they navigatetheir friendship when they're on
completely different sides ofthe motherhood spectrum and.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (09:29):
and we'll definitely talk about that
because I literally saw myselfin me and my best friend who
she's married, uh, you know,she's definitely in a committed
relationship and everything,but, uh, she isn't a mom yet.
And so it's, it's definitely,always like, oh, you know,
there's a little bit ofjealousy, I would
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (09:49):
Yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (09:50):
I wish I could be like her.
I wish my life was a littledifferent and.
I guess the grass isn't always
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (09:58):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (09:59):
you may think, but in other aspects,
you know, it is.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (10:04):
Yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (10:05):
just very complicated and, how,
especially when it comes tofriendships, right?
How these individuals, like,they, they known each other for
a very long time and you know,they were.
Individuals before
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (10:20):
Hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (10:21):
went into other aspects of their
lives, right.
When they either moved forwardor they probably felt like they
were stuck in a way and notprogressing, but it's still like
I.
I think there's a beauty whenyour friendship still evolves,
even if, um, you're in adifferent season of
catalina-margulis_1_04- (10:41):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (10:41):
so we'll definitely talk a little
bit more
catalina-margulis_1_04- (10:44):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (10:45):
But in your novel, you speak about
like authenticity reinvention.
for mommies listening, uh, whofeel a little disconnected with
their true selves, at leastright now, who they feel
probably lost.
What are the first steps thatyou recommend toward living more
(11:07):
authentically and more true toyourself?
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (11:09):
Yeah, it's a great question.
Uh, I think those early years ofmotherhood are just so all
consuming.
It's so easy for a lot of us toget lost or.
Where do we even begin torecover who we are and is that
even possible with the timeavailable to us when we have all
these commitments andresponsibilities and the kids
want all of us?
(11:31):
And, and, and that begets momguilt, which is that, you know,
they want all of us andmotherhood requires all of us.
But, um, in order to sustainourselves, I believe that we do
need to protect some corner ofour life.
Uh.
Because we were people beforethis.
(11:51):
A lot of us are having childrenlater in life.
We've done amazing things.
We've gone to college and we'vebuilt out careers and, uh, it
you, you, you've done so muchand then.
It, it doesn't just disappearwhen you become a mom, and it
doesn't mean that you don't havethose same desires that you
wanna travel or all the waysthat you wanna self-actualize.
(12:14):
Those things don't disappear.
And I think that's where, uh,you know, depression can come in
or frustration and that doesn'tserve anybody.
And so, as much as there's momguilt, for me personally,
anytime I do something formyself, I also.
Have some tools right now and,uh, some conversations I can
(12:34):
counter with in my head that I'mlike, I know this makes me a
better mom.
Like it, it fills my cup, youknow, it's important for me to
fill my cup, put my oxygen maskon first, and then I can be a
more joyful mother becauseotherwise I will be a resentful,
angry, bitter, impatient,frustrated mother.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (12:54):
Yes,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (12:55):
Oh.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (12:55):
Oh my gosh.
I love this.
And this is what I often talkabout here in this platform is
like, how can we break away fromthat mindset?
But, and I know it's really
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (13:06):
Yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (13:08):
my audiences are Latinas and we
grow up a lot on like MariaNismo and like how you support.
Yourselves to everyone elseexcept yourself, right?
Like as an individual andcatering towards everyone else,
making sure that everyone is
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (13:25):
mm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (13:25):
all clean, that they look
presentable.
And at the end of the day, it'slike, we're ula, you know, or we
just don't prioritize onourselves.
And, so yeah, I'm, I'm glad thatyou are mentioning this because
I think that.
very relevant with ourexperiences and, and like I say,
(13:46):
I saw Carmen a lot like in me,you know, with my current season
of life and how.
Yeah, like especially how likein relationships, uh, you know,
we know that with Allie and her,like they evolved when, you
know, one friend has childrenand the other one doesn't.
even within that, you know, youfeel sometimes guilty if you end
(14:10):
up hanging out with your
catalina-margulis_1_04- (14:11):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (14:12):
or you know, you feel guilty within
yourself.
Like, why am I even thinkingthis
catalina-margulis_1_04- (14:17):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09 (14:18):
Wishing that I had a different life.
And so it's such a.
I don't know.
It, it, it's, I, I don't evenhave the word for it, but with
us feeling this way, first ofall, we need to validate those
feelings,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (14:31):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (14:32):
that it is okay to feel this way, to
think this way, and then, youknow, how can you.
Essentially move forward.
Like, what is it that you want?
How can we
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (14:43):
Hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (14:43):
true to ourselves and live
authentically without wishingthat we were someone else?
We can still bridge thisidentity as moms, as women,
right?
Specifically
catalina-margulis_1_04- (14:54):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (14:55):
how can we bridge this duality, uh,
to become a better version ofourselves?
So
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (15:01):
and I think it's important, you
know, um, my parents divorcedwhen I was young, and so the,
you know, it was traumatic andit was all the things, but also
it was a, an incredible giftbecause it humanized my parents
from an early age.
And I noticed with my kids, youknow, they've got that perfect
nuclear family.
(15:22):
And not everything is great, andnot everything is, is roses in
our family for sure.
We have our own struggles, butuh, because they've got this.
These two parents that reallylove each other and really love
them, that we can kind of becomethese, uh, paper cutouts of a
mom and a dad.
And so I almost think it's ashard as it is for them when I'm
(15:43):
being selfish perhaps, or whenI'm working around the clock.
Right now, I've got a booklaunch coming up and I'm not as
present to them in everythingthat they want or need from me.
I think it humanizes.
Me for them, which I think isimportant for my daughter, that
she sees that I get to putmyself first.
Sometimes there's a time and aseason for everything.
She, I keep telling the kids,I'll be back in the summer,
(16:04):
we're gonna have a great summer.
But right now I'm in book launchmode, you know, and I think it's
important for my boys to see awoman who is three dimensional
and multifaceted and complicatedand not perfect.
And, um.
Not who they want me to be allthe time, or who they need me to
be all the time because I'm anindividual and I'm living my own
(16:27):
life too.
So I think even from what itteaches the kids as hard a
lesson as that can be, I thinkit, it's important.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (16:35):
I love it.
Oh my gosh, I
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (16:37):
Thank
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (16:37):
Thank you so much for sharing that.
Um,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (16:40):
so.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (16:41):
going back with, you know, your two
characters uh, Carmen and Allielike.
How have your own friendshipsustained you through the, the
challenges of motherhood andcareer changes?
I'm curious what really inspiredyou to create these two
characters.
I know that you told us a littlebit more about, you know, just
(17:04):
the nuances of motherhood and,and all of that.
But, um, with your personal lifeand your own friendships, how,
how did
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (17:13):
Yeah,
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (17:14):
you know, sustain itself?
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-202 (17:15):
I think, uh, I think I
disconnected, I was so on acareer track that I did
disconnect and not look after myfriendships for a really long
time because again, only somany, so much of me to go
around.
And like I said, I was living adouble life.
I was living this life in thesuburbs, uh, and I was living a
life in the city as a magazineeditor where there were not.
(17:36):
I ironically, a lot enough, alot of moms, and we didn't talk
about being a mom because itwasn't, you know, it, it didn't
advance our career.
And so a lot of my friends weresingle And um, and, and so when
I ended up moving back home andbeing a stay at home mom and
beginning to feel outentrepreneurship and just
(17:57):
getting to finally talk to othermoms was so.
Uh, healing and nurturing andit, you know, just, you know,
people being real about theirexperience.
And I just felt so aloneprevious to that and I was like,
I didn't have anybody to talk toabout what I was going through,
and I just had to pretend likeeverything was amazing all the
(18:18):
time and I had it together.
And so to finally talk to othermoms and hear their struggles
was really helpful to me.
Um, and, uh.
It just made me feel reallynormal.
And then I was also strugglingwith my friendships, and I'm
sure my friends were strugglingwith with me as to like, do we
(18:38):
keep this friendship going?
Like what do we even have incommon anymore?
And um, I.
And especially even with myother mom friends right now, I
mean, it's such a struggle forus to get together.
There's like so many hilariousmemes, right?
It's like, we'll get togetherand then they're like 70 in Palm
Springs, and it's like, and it'slike I have so much grace for
them because I know they've gotkids and extracurriculars and
(19:02):
like, so much is going on.
So, uh, I, I feel like I'vefinally reached a point where I
put a little bit less pressureon myself that.
Uh, as far as guilt goes, as faras like, I'm not present enough
for them and they're not presentfor me, but I know that when we
do get together or when we doget on a call, even if it's once
a year, it's so wonderful andit's like no time has passed and
(19:26):
it's so nourishing and healingand cathartic, uh, that I know
it's worth keeping thatconnection alive.
And I feel they feel the same.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (19:36):
Yes.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (19:37):
Oh, I love it.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (19:38):
it.
I'm glad I'm not
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (19:39):
No.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (19:42):
And, and let me tell you, finding new
mom friends.
Uh, I, I think it's been welllike I'm a people person.
am a Gemini, first of all, andso I love to just like connect
with people and everything.
And through this platform I'vebeen able to establish new
friendships, right?
(20:02):
But.
know, I do hear a lot that itdoes make it very difficult to
find new mom friends and, andfinding the right mom friends.
You know, you can have a friendwho is a mom, but if their kids
are a little older right thanyours, or like for me
specifically, like I am raisingmy kids at this point, Spanish
dominant.
(20:23):
You know, so
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (20:23):
Nice.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (20:24):
talk about is Spanish and that's it.
And it does make it evenchallenging when.
My friends and even familymembers have kids, like they
only speak English and it makesit so difficult.
Um, and, and yeah, you know, it,it, it's, I think there's a
beauty within that that you getto choose and, but it's also.
(20:46):
At least for the oldfriendships, right, that
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (20:48):
Hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (20:48):
had before you became a mom.
also important to not lose trackof them or even like what you
have already created,
catalina-margulis_1_04- (20:58):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (20:59):
I find that a lot of moms, like as
soon as they become a mom, it'slike full
catalina-margulis_1_04- (21:03):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (21:04):
know?
You just.
Lose everything behind and, andit shouldn't be that
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (21:08):
Mm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (21:09):
again, we, we have that ability to
split ourselves to make surethat our families partners, if
we are in a partnerrelationship, are okay that we
are okay.
Like, and you know, if we'reable to kind of create this sort
of unit in our homes, like I'mpretty sure we can do that
outside of
catalina-margulis_1_04- (21:26):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (21:28):
bring a little bit of ourselves to our
old friendships, we can put alittle bit of ourselves into our
careers and, and just like.
Again, not just fully letmotherhood define
catalina-margulis_1_04- (21:38):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09 (21:39):
defined by
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (21:40):
Yeah,
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (21:40):
that makes
catalina-margulis_1 (21:41):
absolutely.
Because I feel like, uh,motherhood didn't really feel
like it fit me for a long time.
I kind of felt like I, I, I, youknow, I didn't wanna be a mom to
begin with.
My kids know this,unfortunately, I, I absolutely
freaking love them right now.
Like, I, you know, it changed.
My first baby changedeverything.
(22:02):
My priorities completely did a360, 180.
But before that, I like, reallyliked my life, you know?
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09 (22:09):
Mm-hmm.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-202 (22:10):
I also have like my, and my, my
aunts don't have kids.
And I saw my mom sacrifice somuch for me and my sister, and I
just was like, wow, you really,you know, you, you, you're
really the unfortunate one.
They are living their life.
They're going to Madrid.
They're dancing all night.
They travel whenever they feellike they got lots of money.
(22:30):
And here my mom is schleppingthese two kids around.
So I always felt like, you know,I looked up to them.
Um, but now.
You know, when I think about mymom and, you know, mother's Day
and Spa Days together, and I'mlike, oh no, she, she really,
she, she did, I don't wanna sayshe won, but she, she's finally
getting her payback.
It's like it's finally comingback to her.
(22:52):
All the selflessness andself-sacrifice that she's got,
you know, two friends, you know,that we adore her and we spend a
lot of quality time and we havea lot of fun together.
So, so that's been rewarding, Ithink.
For her in this season of herlife.
Um, but, but yeah, all that tosay, I think some people have a
calling, like my husband had acalling to be a dad.
(23:12):
You know, that, that it's notabout a career.
There was no other vision orgoal he had for himself.
Uh, and that's how heself-actualized.
But for me, there were so manyother passion projects.
There's writing books andstarting businesses, and I can't
stop my creative brain and.
Motherhood was one form ofcreativity for me, but I have a
(23:34):
lot of creativity for, um,inside of me, and it manifests
in a lot of different ways, andI cannot suppress it because
it's not good for my mentalhealth or my soul.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (23:46):
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
I think it's definitely finding
catalina-margulis_1_04- (23:49):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (23:50):
I would say, again, not losing
yourself.
Fully and catering towardsothers, but also like, how can
you find this balance?
Which it's
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (23:58):
It's so hard.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (23:59):
so hard.
And, and like you said, youknow, there will be seasons
where you do have to prioritizeon
catalina-margulis_1_04- (24:03):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (24:04):
Like right now you are launching
catalina-margulis_1_04- (24:05):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (24:06):
like, is me.
Right?
And then there will be seasonswhere we have to prioritize on
our
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (24:12):
Yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (24:12):
and.
And again, there's that beautywhere we can navigate this.
Like, just think that women canmake amazing CEOs in every
single company.
catalina-margulis_1 (24:22):
Absolutely.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (24:23):
that's just my thought.
catalina-margulis_1 (24:26):
Absolutely.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (24:28):
Yeah.
And so when talking about yourbook, I
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (24:30):
Going back
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (24:31):
back
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (24:31):
and forth.
Yeah, yeah.
No worries.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (24:32):
uh, I'm sure our listeners are
hanging in here and, you know,just listening to our
conversation because at, at theend of the day, this is a
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (24:39):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (24:40):
Um.
So going back to your character,Carmen, uh, she definitely
struggles with her
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (24:46):
Mm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (24:46):
right?
And, and she has transitionedfrom like this career woman to a
stay-at-home mom, kind ofsimilar to
catalina-margulis_1_04- (24:52):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (24:53):
right?
And to mine
catalina-margulis_1_04- (24:55):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (24:55):
I was super.
Into, uh, being in theprofessional world, right where
I just wanted to work, work,work, work.
And then had the opportunity forme to stay at, uh, to be a stay
at home mom.
And even when I had my firstchild, I was like, I will never
be a stay at home mom and lookat me.
But what would you say to, uh,my listeners who feel like
(25:21):
they've lost parts of themselvesin motherhood and are sort of
seeking reinvention and, youknow, just how did you also
navigate this too?
catalina-margulis_1_04- (25:31):
Mm-hmm.
Um.
Yeah, I, I was so unfulfilled inmy career before I left it or
was kicked out.
Um, and so I started to steallittle pieces of time for
myself.
So, uh, for any wouldbe authorsor writers in here, I.
Um, there's um, a company and anapp called Wattpad.
(25:55):
And now Wattpad is a lot of fanfiction, fantasy, not my genre,
but they have a great app thatyou can actually write a book on
your phone.
And it's really cool'cause yousee the book come alive and it's
actually in pages and you seeall these things.
So I was miserable in a job andfor fun on my breaks, on my
lunches, I would just starttapping out stories on Wattpad
(26:17):
and it just brought me so muchjoy and it was that sense of.
Play.
And, uh, I started to give thatto myself and, and that just
grew.
And I think from that moment on,I have leaned into what is fun
and joyful and playful for me.
And that's what works.
And it has created entire.
(26:39):
Business trajectories for me,and it's just purely following
fun, you know, and, andchildlike joy.
And if I follow that, theclients will follow because
they're, the joy is infectious,you know, and I'm inviting to be
playful and joyful and with me.
So, uh, that has not steered mewrong.
And the more I carve out thatfor myself, and again.
(27:01):
It brings a different side ofmyself to my kids than me.
You know, going to a job andschlepping there and being
unhappy every day, you know,and, and doing things outta duty
in order of responsibility.
Now I just do things for fun andeverything else follows.
Um, but it just started withthat one step, those little mini
breaks, giving that little thingto myself and, and that's what I
(27:23):
would say to anybody aboutfollowing a passion project or
if there's a business you wannastart, maybe you love.
Fashion and you wanna start afashion brand or just like, you
know, I was, even when I was onmat leave the first time,
because I couldn't just do mom,like, I just couldn't shut off
the creative brain.
So I was mom blogging and, um,just when, you know, the baby
(27:44):
was napping.
And again, it was, it was fun.
I felt like I was doingsomething for myself.
I was feeling like I'm notdisappearing.
And, uh.
And so, yeah, all those timesthat I would give myself those
little glimpses.
It doesn't have to take up awhole day, but I felt like I was
moving towards something thatwas fulfilling and would
eventually turn into something,and it did.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (28:05):
Yeah, I love it.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (28:06):
Thank
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (28:07):
Isn't that beautiful how like when you
become a mom, you just all of asudden have room in
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (28:15):
oh,
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (28:17):
to be inspired to build something
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (28:21):
oh.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (28:22):
or a passion project or, you know,
and I often hear this a lot fromthe moms that they're like, I
don't know what happens, but assoon as I become a mom.
A sudden I have all of these
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (28:33):
Yes,
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09 (28:33):
through my head, and I think it's
because of lack of sleep.
Who knows?
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-202 (28:37):
I Hunter.
I, I think Itlo, it definitelyunlocked something because these
opportunities were available tome in my twenties.
I.
Like, you know, and I actuallyhad less responsibility and
commitment and financialcommitments and responsibility,
so why didn't I go after all ofthese things in my twenties?
There was something that happenswhen you become a mom that I
(28:58):
feel like you just step into.
You know, just step into yourpower and you're like, I'm gonna
take care of this.
Like, it's so empowering.
Maybe that's what it is.
Maybe it's empowering.
It's just seeing that you'recapable of so much more than you
ever thought possible.
And it does unlock things.
I think I became a lot morecreative afterward, or maybe I
was just suppressed that, youknow, but there's something
(29:21):
about having a kid, it, itchanges everything.
jessica_1_04-15-202 (29:25):
Absolutely.
I love it.
And.
I just love that we feel thislevel of empowerment, and it's
almost like thisself-fulfillment in a way, but
making it more so on how you canleverage it to, to
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (29:41):
Hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (29:41):
actual business and then refocus your
time into that instead of beingconfined to like the nine to
catalina-margulis_1_04- (29:49):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (29:50):
Where many of us, again, we, we end
up.
Either forcefully becomingstay-at-home moms, or we decide
to be stay-at-home moms, and wehave that abil ability to, you
know, recreate things and becreative and, and I I love
catalina-margulis_1_04- (30:05):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (30:06):
Yeah.
So thank you for sharing that.
And so we're going to transitiona little bit more on like the
mom guilt, because I know thatthat is such a big thing.
Now that you're in this newtransition of launching your
book, and you reflect a littlebit on your experience on how it
was to actually write this bookhaving four kids.
(30:32):
Can you walk us through how itlooked
catalina-margulis_1_04- (30:34):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (30:34):
on your day to day or even now?
I'm, I'm assuming that you arebecoming a lot
catalina-margulis_1_04- (30:38):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (30:39):
you know, just promoting your book
and the whole marketing aspectof it.
Uh, but yeah, like what kinds ofsystems or mindset shifts did
you have to break, to make surethat you, you know, also
succeed,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (30:52):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (30:53):
listen to yourself and become this one
person that you wanna become
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (30:56):
Yeah.
Uh, yeah.
I mean, I think early on, um.
It did feel selfish because any,and that's kind of the reason
why I never wrote a book priorto to this one, was because,
well, I gotta get through schooland I gotta get my career and
then I gotta have the baby.
And then, and then it's like, Igotta make money.
I gotta pay bills.
(31:16):
And so what felt selfish backthen was writing a book that.
Wasn't, there was no paycheck atthe end of it.
You know, there it wasn't apromotion.
And so that was very, it feltvery selfish, and I'm sure you
know, my kids have paid a priceover the years on some of the
choices that I've made to be astay-at-home mom or to be a
part-time mom Now.
(31:38):
Um, or, or to be focusing on, onthe book.
And, uh, they've gone without,I'm sure they would've preferred
to have the nice new shoes and anice new car, you know, and I
hope that one day they willforgive me for all of that.
But, uh, you know, on the otherhand, I hope that they're
inspired by the bigger dreamsthat I've had and that I've
(31:59):
chased.
But, but yeah, that was a bigpiece of mon guilt was that I
should be using this time tomake money.
Or, um, be able to give my kidsmore.
So there was guilt around that.
Uh, lately I've been so busywith my business and I still, I
was adding up the hours.
I'm like, I still probably onlywork part-time.
The other day I was in the carthree hours driving my kids
(32:21):
between all theirextracurricular activities.
I'm like.
You know, it looks like I workaround the clock, but only
because I work in all the cracksof time that are not the kids,
but the kids are still takingmost of my day.
Um, and so, so for them, itgets, you know, I'll get
comments from them that I workall the time, or I've always got
my laptop with me.
(32:41):
And, um, you know, we'll haveconversations around that,
around like what mommy's doing,why I am doing it, uh, and, and
why it's important to me and whyI think it will help our family.
Uh, so we're pretty open onthose kinds of conversations.
But yeah, the kids will give metheir feedback every once in a
while.
And, um, but what I thinkthere's been a few things that
(33:02):
have really helped me over theyears.
First of all, I did do a lot ofpersonal development in the past
five years where I got a lot oftools and, um, was able to deal
with a lot of the, the mindsetthings and the, the personal
guilt and, and things like that.
Um, one.
Thing that has really served meis sprints.
Uh, and it helps me withwriting, and it helps me with
(33:25):
anything I do is just, uh, froma doing perspective, from a, you
know, as far as a goal settingis having a goal, but having it
like a short term.
So if you're.
Wanting to write a book.
Just think to myself, think toyourself, well, I'm just gonna
focus on the first draft.
Let me give myself three monthsor six months.
I'm gonna do the first draft,and then I'm gonna walk away,
and then I'm gonna go focus onmy business.
(33:46):
And so I have seasons like thatwhere I'm like, okay, I'm gonna
focus on my book for threemonths or six months, and then
I'm gonna focus on the businessfor.
Third and fourth quarter, youknow, um, or I know that this is
like high enrollment season orI'm in book launch season and I
know the kids will be home forthe summer.
So summer I'm really gonna scaleback.
(34:07):
I won't be taking meetings, Iwon't be taking on new clients.
I won't be, um, doing events andthings like that.
So, compartment, mentalizing mylife to make room for
everything, just not at the sametime necessarily has been a big
thing.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (34:21):
That's awesome and that's a big
reminder for many, and itdoesn't matter if you're
thinking about writing a book orbeing an entrepreneur.
I think it, it's so applicableto everyday life, whether if you
are focusing on your job rightnow or you have this big
project, or maybe right now yourkids need you because they are
going through a lot of emotionsand so it's.
(34:42):
think again, compartmentalizing.
I love that, that you mentionedthat, um, where we can't just do
everything all
catalina-margulis_1_04- (34:50):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (34:51):
'cause then that's when the resentment
comes, that's when thedysregulation comes and it
affects our mental health.
And just like how it doesn'tallow us to, to not like be
catalina-margulis_1_04- (35:04):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (35:04):
it Yeah.
Like to with our kids
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (35:07):
Yeah.
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (35:08):
I, I love
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (35:10):
Yeah, so the sprints, the sprints have
really helped and just, andhelps me manage my own emotions
knowing I, I'm feeling like I'mnot being a really great mom
right now, but I know.
I know that this is just for ashort time only, and I know that
why I, why my vision, like I'mclear on what my vision is.
I know why I am doing this, andI know that it's for this window
(35:32):
only, and then I can be fullmobbing and I'll make it up to
them and all of that.
Uh, the other thing has been,uh, just small attainable goals,
you know, and when I firststarted writing, um, it, it
could just be 20 minutes a day,you know, whatever it is that
you're creating business.
Uh.
Business book, anything it, itdoesn't have to be something
(35:55):
that takes up your whole day oryour whole week.
It could just be 20 minutes aday.
Can you give yourself 20 minutesa day?
And for me, it's a big part ofmy self care is giving myself
that 20 minutes, taking care ofme and my needs and my deep
desires is part of my, so I kindof see it hand in hand with
self-care.
Can I give myself 20 minutes aday for my own dreams and my own
(36:16):
passion projects?
And.
The rest of the 23 and a halfhours is everybody else's,
right?
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (36:23):
Yes.
Uh, I love it.
I love it.
And I, I often talk about this,that self-care isn't bubble
baths, right?
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (36:31):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (36:32):
what we often think about what
self-care is.
It's literally how are youtaking care of yourself?
And this could be even likebeing a little
catalina-margulis_1_04- (36:40):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (36:40):
and doing work, but it's something
that feeds you, right, that you.
Are that literally it, it, it,it fuels
catalina-margulis_1_04- (36:48):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (36:49):
and thank you for sharing that
because I think that many of us,we think of self care and like
imagine it and see itdifferently, but it's mostly
like, how can you literallydedicate yourself at least 10
catalina-margulis_1_04- (37:02):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (37:03):
an hour?
And then it just becomes
catalina-margulis_1_04- (37:06):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (37:06):
It becomes like part of your
lifestyle, uh, too.
Again, just taking care of
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (37:12):
Yeah.
And it changes, you know, um,when, when kids were younger, I
remember I would square themaway.
Everybody was out of my face bylike eight o'clock.
They were in bed, they wereasleep.
And my things were happeningafter eight.
I'm like, that's my time, mymommy time.
Um, and now my kids never, like,they fall asleep after me.
It's impossible to get them tosleep.
It's impossible to get them tobed.
(37:32):
So, you know, my time hasshifted to first thing in the
morning and so I thinkespecially with Mommyhood and
everything is like the kids gothrough many different phases.
And so what.
What your routine will looklike, will evolve and change as
the kids do.
But that time is alwaysavailable to you.
It just might move in the day.
Um, but yeah, I, I, I, I feellike that's been, you know,
(37:55):
really important.
And I also just don't watch alot of TV and I just, I don't
do, you know, a lot of thingsbecause, um.
This is important to me and itdoes give me energy and fuel me,
and so there's a lot of thingsthat fall to the wayside because
of it.
So it's just being really clearon my priorities and where my
time is going and optimizing itin the way that best serves me.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (38:20):
Yes.
Oh my gosh, yes.
Time is
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (38:22):
Yes,
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (38:23):
you.
And if we're just wasting it onscrolling through our
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (38:27):
yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (38:28):
then we're just not, again, it all
falls back to like how we'remodeling ourselves in front of
our kids and also like ourwellbeing.
You know, we end up beingresentful because, oh my gosh, I
don't have so much time, my kidsthis, this, and that.
And we end up almost blaming thefact that our kids are taking
time from us.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (38:45):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (38:46):
like we really need to about, well,
where were we focusing
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (38:52):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (38:53):
During the past hour, whatever.
And, I think it all falls backinto that self-reflection, uh,
piece and
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (39:00):
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's been like the, the keyand the answer to me doing
anything in my life has reallybeen the sprints.
Um, and it gives me the energytoo, because when you look, when
you're looking at a big project,uh, it can be really draining,
you know?
But if I know, oh, I'm justgonna, this is just a sprint.
It's for a short time only.
(39:21):
I get so much energy to tacklejust about anything when I know
it's just for a short time only.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (39:26):
Right.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-20 (39:27):
we
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (39:28):
we talked a lot about mommy guilt
and how that looks like,especially for us moms who wanna
achieve, but we.
we have certain limits too.
You know, we can't just be, uh,these super go-getters, you
know, and be these super mamatoo.
And so what advice would youshare with my listeners about
(39:53):
how to overcome that mom
catalina-margulis_1_04- (39:55):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (39:57):
And all while like trying to pursue
their own projects
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (40:02):
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (40:05):
that look like?
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-202 (40:06):
I mean, getting really comfortable
with.
You know, not being a super mom,you know, um, I have not
mastered cooking.
I am a terrible cook.
Uh, I'm actually not, yeah, I'mnot great at doing homework with
my kids.
You know, my husband does that,or now I've got tutors because
I.
(40:27):
It's just not good for us, forme to be that person for them.
Um, and so acknowledging likewhat I'm not great at and giving
myself grace, it's like thereare things I'm amazing at, but
cooking and homework are not oneof them.
And so, you know, if the kidswanna write a story or if they
wanna workshop, um, anentrepreneurship project that
(40:49):
they're working on for school,I'm like, oh, I am in my
element.
Let's go.
You know?
Or.
We're talking about books orwe're talking about psychology
or personal development, likeI'm always coaching, you know,
they're always like, there goesmom again.
She's talking about that podcastshe watched and I always telling
them about the podcast I'mlistening to that I'm learning
from.
And so, um, there are the thingsthat I'm good at and I've gotten
(41:12):
better at being okay with notbeing great at a lot of things.
And that's, that's the price Ipay because I can't do it all.
I definitely can't do it at thesame time.
And I know that there are thingsthat I'm great at, and I just
get to really focus on thethings that I'm great at and the
things that, um, bring me joyand, and bring joy to my family.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (41:34):
Ugh.
I love it.
I love it.
Because otherwise then, yeah,you'll feel guilty and even
thinking of yourself as like.
A deficit,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-20 (41:43):
Oh yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (41:44):
like, oh, I'm not good enough with
this.
And, and no, it's definitelyacknowledging those aspects,
right?
Like, what are you actually goodat?
What are you not, and how canyou, ask for
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (41:53):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (41:53):
too?
And recognizing
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (41:55):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, I'm terrible with artprojects, you know, my sister
got all the art, so it's like,you know, go work with Tia or go
with your abuela.
You know, like I'm just totallyuseless with Play-Doh and a
paintbrush.
Um, and there's just no sense inme investing a ton of time to
get really great at that, um,or, or feeling bad about it.
And so, yeah, I just feel like Imoved through that a little bit
(42:18):
faster, but it did take a lot ofpractice and I.
There, there are times that Ifeel really crummy about it, you
know, that I'm like, oh, Iburned dinner again.
You know, like, can't get thisright.
Oh my god.
You know?
Um, but I'm just like, I justget to make a lot of money so we
can hire a cook one day andthat's my vision.
Or wait till my dad, my dadcomes back from Argentina this
(42:40):
week and then abuelo's in townand he can properly feed this
family and get us chimi chewy,and we'll just do steak every
night.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (42:49):
I
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (42:50):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (42:50):
I love it.
No.
Yeah.
I think it's, again, ki kind ofgoing back to the living
authentically as a mom.
I think that's something that weall need to recognize.
Even if we saw it with our mamasand abuelas, that perhaps with
the cooking piece, right?
They were really great cooks.
They were always in the kitchen.
That doesn't mean that we needto that or be that, you know, we
(43:14):
are obviously
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (43:15):
Yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (43:17):
you know, where we are prioritizing
ourselves a lot different thanthey
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (43:21):
Mm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (43:22):
But, you know, and, and that doesn't
mean that we are less of a momif we don't cook or if we're not
in the kitchen every
catalina-margulis_1_04- (43:30):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (43:31):
We're just different and we need to
recognize that for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-202 (43:35):
I just hope like, yeah, the kids
may not be nourished in thatsense, but hopefully they're
getting spiritual nourishment orsoulful nourishment and, and my,
my flavor of love looksdifferent than definitely my
abuelas in their cooking.
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (43:54):
I love it.
No, it's great.
I love
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (43:56):
Thank you.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (43:57):
All right.
Well, Catalina,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (44:00):
have
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (44:00):
final
catalina-margulis_1_04- (44:01):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (44:01):
for you, which I don't prepare my
guests until I kind of put themon the spot.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (44:07):
Ah, love it.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (44:10):
So how are you redefining mad?
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (44:13):
Mm.
Uh, that is a really greatquestion.
I, I, I, I think that I'mredefining it in the sense of.
It's messier and funnier andmore wonderful than anything I
(44:34):
imagined.
And anything that we've been,anything that's been depicted
for us, I feel like, uh,mothers, from what I've seen,
have been very two dimensional,uh, on the screen.
Maybe not so much on the page,but I just think there's so many
(44:55):
more nuances and complexity andwomen are so much more complex
than we've really been shown.
And so I do feel like right nowit is, there's a wave, there's a
momentum of showing women in alltheir fullness and all their
multifacetedness and, and theircomplexity that they can be a
mother and they can feelconflicted about that, and they
(45:16):
can be in marriage and feelconflict.
Conflicted about that and, um,that we're not just happy to be
here.
We actually want a lot more.
We want it all baby,
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (45:27):
Yes, we do.
do.
And we can do
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (45:29):
and we can do it all.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (45:31):
yes,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (45:33):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (45:34):
I
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (45:34):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (45:35):
I love it.
Oh my
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (45:36):
Thank you.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_ (45:37):
Catalina, where can people
catalina-margulis_1_04- (45:39):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (45:40):
Where can
catalina-margulis_1_04- (45:40):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (45:42):
Which is so
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (45:43):
Thank you.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (45:44):
little bit
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (45:44):
Thank you.
So you can findme@catalinamargolis.com.
Uh, the book is at again, onlymore like you.com.
It's available at all yourfavorite retailers.
Barnes and Noble amazon.comcomes out April 29th.
It's available now.
And um, yeah, I hope you enjoyit.
And if you do, I would love tohear from you.
Please do reach out and you canalso find me on Instagram at ka
(46:06):
margulis.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0 (46:07):
Awesome.
I'll make sure to share that inthe show
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (46:09):
Nice.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (46:10):
and that way people can follow you
catalina-margulis_1_04- (46:13):
Without that,
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (46:14):
Again, I love that this is super
relevant to mamas, to guent, youknow, to people that are in
their forties and, uh, or goinginto their forties and, and
yeah.
You know, life doesn't
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (46:31):
Yeah.
Yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (46:34):
it,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (46:34):
Thank you.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (46:35):
Well, thank you so much for being
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (46:37):
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
It was a super fun conversation.
I really enjoyed it.
Have you ever looked at yourfriend's life and thought, I
wish my life was more likeyours?
Well, in today's bonus episode,I sit down with author catalina
Marles to discuss her debutnovel again, only more like You,
which is available now inbookstores everywhere.
(00:24):
This powerful story exploresfriendship.
Motherhood and the grass thatalways seems greener on the
other side.
Catina shares her journey frommagazine editor to mompreneur to
author and how she manages thebalance of pursuing creative
passions while raising fourchildren.
(00:45):
Whether you're feeling lost inMadre hood, struggling with
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authentic self, thisconversation is filled with.
So much wisdom about creating alife that honors both who you
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So without further ado, here ismy interview in this bonus
(01:08):
episode with Catalina Marli,author of, again, only More Like
You, which is now in bookstoreseverywhere.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (02:24):
Ola
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (02:24):
are you?
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (02:25):
how are you?
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (02:25):
I'm great.
Thank you for having me heretoday.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (02:29):
Yes.
I'm so excited for you to behere.
I am very honored to be one ofthe people that received your
advanced copy of
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (02:39):
Yay.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (02:39):
which I am so excited to talk about
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (02:42):
you.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (02:42):
share or listeners just a little bit
more about your novel and yourinspiration for writing in.
And we're definitely gonna talkabout mommy life as we talk, as
we speak.
But before we get into theconversation, uh, if you can
introduce yourself and share alittle bit more about who you
are to
catalina-margulis_1 (03:03):
Absolutely, I'd love to.
So my name is Catalina Margolis.
I am an author.
My book again, only More LikeYou, comes out, uh, soon.
April 29th, 2025.
Uh, I'm a speaker, I'm a bookcoach.
I am a former journalist, amagazine editor, and I'm a mom
of four.
Uh, I'm based in Toronto.
My family came here fromArgentina when I was a year old.
(03:26):
So I grew up in Toronto, Canada.
And, um.
My dad still winters there andwe've been back a bunch.
Love it.
Really ought to move.
There really ought to movethere.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (03:36):
please do.
I, I've been to Argentina.
This was during, I used to workin higher ed
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (03:42):
Oh.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (03:43):
I, I went for this like trip, 10
day trip to Uruguay and
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-20 (03:47):
Oh see?
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (03:47):
free.
I was just a chaperone with likecollege
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-20 (03:50):
Oh in.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (03:51):
and Yeah.
Yeah.
And I was like, oh my gosh, Ilove it here.
But the students were havingmore fun,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (03:56):
Yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (03:57):
know, because as a chaperone you have
to like.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (03:59):
Yes, you have to behave.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (04:00):
like, yes, you have to behave
yourself.
I was like, oh, I'm so jealous.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-202 (04:04):
I haven't been back.
So my aunt, she lives in, uh,right now, so when we go, we can
go to the beach and have thatexperience, but I haven't been
back.
We went when my son was.
I think three months old.
We went and he's 16 now, and itjust seems so daunting to take
all the kids and they justreally want to go to a beach.
They don't want to go to thecity.
But Zach has been really gettinginto his Latino heritage and
(04:29):
teaching himself Spanish off ofSpanish rap.
So
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (04:34):
That's awesome.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-20 (04:34):
so I think, um, last year or the
year before, he really wanted togo.
So he went down with my sisterand my mom was already there for
the winter.
And, uh, now I'm starting to getit from my other kids that they
really wanna see it and explore.
So I think we might be warmingup.
Maybe we'll go next, nextwinter.
We'll see.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (04:52):
yes,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (04:53):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (04:54):
takes one, you know, to then push
everyone else
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (04:56):
Yes.
Yeah, they're all kind ofgetting into it.
But, um, but yeah, so I grew upin, in Toronto, Canada, and, uh,
worked, uh, as a journalist andmagazine editor and worked at
fashion magazines and parentingmagazines and, uh, as eventually
as a lot of us mommies.
(05:17):
Uh, experience.
It got really hard to work for acorporation, an organization,
um, and, and be a mom at thesame time.
And so then it launched me, itforced me into entrepreneurship.
Uh, and my parents are allentrepreneurs, so, you know, it
was something I'd grown uparound and, um, being able to
(05:37):
control my time and my timeinvestment.
So I became, uh, anentrepreneur.
I had my own content agency formany years.
And, uh, got into personaldevelopment, loved it.
And between all of those thingsadding up together, I became a
book coach.
And that's, that's what I donow.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (05:56):
Wow.
That's
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (05:57):
Thank you.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (05:58):
That is great.
And.
At the time of this recording,your book hasn't launched, but
it will, once we publish thisepisode, it will be launched and
it'll be out in the public.
And that is very excitingbecause first of all, we need
more Latina authors.
I cannot stress this enough.
More representation.
(06:19):
And you being a Latina fromCanada, I think that is even
more amazing
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (06:23):
Hmm
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (06:23):
you're branching out.
And I know there is a hugepopulation of Latinos in, in
catalina-margulis_1_04- (06:28):
mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (06:29):
I know of, and I, I love it.
And so.
Like I said, I've been honoredto, to read your
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (06:37):
Yeah.
Thank you.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (06:38):
I, I loved it.
I think it's very relevant to mycurrent season of life.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (06:42):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (06:44):
It's no longer teenage romance
novels, you know,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (06:47):
Yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0 (06:48):
fantasy, if you will, but it's more so
it's reality.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (06:53):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (06:53):
life.
It's, it's basically where weare
catalina-margulis_1_04- (06:56):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025 (06:56):
especially for those who are transitioning
from their thirties to their
catalina-margulis_1_04- (06:59):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (07:00):
Um.
And so your novel explores a lotabout this intersection of
catalina-margulis_1_04- (07:05):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09 (07:06):
career, life, or transitions, uh,
friendships specifically.
And so can you share how yourpersonal experience influenced
the two main characters, Gotmanand Allie in your book?
Can you tell us a little bitmore
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (07:21):
Yeah, I love to, um, you know, it, it
happened when everything wascoming to a head for me.
You know, I, I, I live out inthe suburbs.
I have a family and it was likeI was living two lives.
Then I go to the city and Idon't talk about my family.
I don't talk about my kids'causethat's bad for business and just
trying to.
Have these two completelydifferent lives happening at the
(07:41):
same time, and it, it justcollided.
And I remember looking onNetflix and looking at
bookshelves and like, where,where am I?
Like, who do I turn to?
Who's been here before?
Who can help me through thismoment?
What does it, what does an.
Alternative life look like.
And, um, there's this TonyMorrison quote, which is that,
(08:03):
you know, if there's a book thatyou wanna read that hasn't been
written, you get to write it.
And so I said about doing justthat and, you know, asking
myself like, how do I get myselfthrough is, what does the other
side look like?
What's the best thing that couldhappen?
And, uh, and I, it was a chancefor me to vent and work it all
out on the page and give voiceto my experience, which I knew.
(08:24):
My friends were going through atthe same time, just the
impossibility of being a workingmom and uh, dealing with all
that.
And then I also had a lot of mysingle friends that were
wondering, you know, is thatgonna happen for me?
Like, they're looking at ourlives, thinking our lives are
amazing.
And they're like, I want that.
I wanna have the house in thesuburbs.
I wanna have a husband.
I wanna have the kid and I'mrunning out of time.
(08:47):
Is it gonna happen?
Do I have to go on my own?
And um, so both of usquestioning where we were in our
life and.
What were we gonna do about it?
Where were we gonna go fromhere?
And so that really inspired meto have those two characters.
And also it was also an exerciseto, to play with, you know, am I
happy with the way things haveturned out?
And if there's still time, whatwould I do differently?
(09:10):
Uh, and yeah, it was, it wasreally, really fun to write and
be able to write from twocompletely different.
Female experience andperspectives, and then how they,
how they, how they navigatetheir friendship when they're on
completely different sides ofthe motherhood spectrum and.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (09:29):
and we'll definitely talk about that
because I literally saw myselfin me and my best friend who
she's married, uh, you know,she's definitely in a committed
relationship and everything,but, uh, she isn't a mom yet.
And so it's, it's definitely,always like, oh, you know,
there's a little bit ofjealousy, I would
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (09:49):
Yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (09:50):
I wish I could be like her.
I wish my life was a littledifferent and.
I guess the grass isn't always
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (09:58):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (09:59):
you may think, but in other aspects,
you know, it is.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (10:04):
Yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (10:05):
just very complicated and, how,
especially when it comes tofriendships, right?
How these individuals, like,they, they known each other for
a very long time and you know,they were.
Individuals before
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (10:20):
Hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (10:21):
went into other aspects of their
lives, right.
When they either moved forwardor they probably felt like they
were stuck in a way and notprogressing, but it's still like
I.
I think there's a beauty whenyour friendship still evolves,
even if, um, you're in adifferent season of
catalina-margulis_1_04- (10:41):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (10:41):
so we'll definitely talk a little
bit more
catalina-margulis_1_04- (10:44):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (10:45):
But in your novel, you speak about
like authenticity reinvention.
for mommies listening, uh, whofeel a little disconnected with
their true selves, at leastright now, who they feel
probably lost.
What are the first steps thatyou recommend toward living more
(11:07):
authentically and more true toyourself?
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (11:09):
Yeah, it's a great question.
Uh, I think those early years ofmotherhood are just so all
consuming.
It's so easy for a lot of us toget lost or.
Where do we even begin torecover who we are and is that
even possible with the timeavailable to us when we have all
these commitments andresponsibilities and the kids
want all of us?
(11:31):
And, and, and that begets momguilt, which is that, you know,
they want all of us andmotherhood requires all of us.
But, um, in order to sustainourselves, I believe that we do
need to protect some corner ofour life.
Uh.
Because we were people beforethis.
(11:51):
A lot of us are having childrenlater in life.
We've done amazing things.
We've gone to college and we'vebuilt out careers and, uh, it
you, you, you've done so muchand then.
It, it doesn't just disappearwhen you become a mom, and it
doesn't mean that you don't havethose same desires that you
wanna travel or all the waysthat you wanna self-actualize.
(12:14):
Those things don't disappear.
And I think that's where, uh,you know, depression can come in
or frustration and that doesn'tserve anybody.
And so, as much as there's momguilt, for me personally,
anytime I do something formyself, I also.
Have some tools right now and,uh, some conversations I can
(12:34):
counter with in my head that I'mlike, I know this makes me a
better mom.
Like it, it fills my cup, youknow, it's important for me to
fill my cup, put my oxygen maskon first, and then I can be a
more joyful mother becauseotherwise I will be a resentful,
angry, bitter, impatient,frustrated mother.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (12:54):
Yes,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (12:55):
Oh.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (12:55):
Oh my gosh.
I love this.
And this is what I often talkabout here in this platform is
like, how can we break away fromthat mindset?
But, and I know it's really
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (13:06):
Yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (13:08):
my audiences are Latinas and we
grow up a lot on like MariaNismo and like how you support.
Yourselves to everyone elseexcept yourself, right?
Like as an individual andcatering towards everyone else,
making sure that everyone is
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (13:25):
mm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (13:25):
all clean, that they look
presentable.
And at the end of the day, it'slike, we're ula, you know, or we
just don't prioritize onourselves.
And, so yeah, I'm, I'm glad thatyou are mentioning this because
I think that.
very relevant with ourexperiences and, and like I say,
(13:46):
I saw Carmen a lot like in me,you know, with my current season
of life and how.
Yeah, like especially how likein relationships, uh, you know,
we know that with Allie and her,like they evolved when, you
know, one friend has childrenand the other one doesn't.
even within that, you know, youfeel sometimes guilty if you end
(14:10):
up hanging out with your
catalina-margulis_1_04- (14:11):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (14:12):
or you know, you feel guilty within
yourself.
Like, why am I even thinkingthis
catalina-margulis_1_04- (14:17):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09 (14:18):
Wishing that I had a different life.
And so it's such a.
I don't know.
It, it, it's, I, I don't evenhave the word for it, but with
us feeling this way, first ofall, we need to validate those
feelings,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (14:31):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (14:32):
that it is okay to feel this way, to
think this way, and then, youknow, how can you.
Essentially move forward.
Like, what is it that you want?
How can we
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (14:43):
Hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (14:43):
true to ourselves and live
authentically without wishingthat we were someone else?
We can still bridge thisidentity as moms, as women,
right?
Specifically
catalina-margulis_1_04- (14:54):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (14:55):
how can we bridge this duality, uh,
to become a better version ofourselves?
So
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (15:01):
and I think it's important, you
know, um, my parents divorcedwhen I was young, and so the,
you know, it was traumatic andit was all the things, but also
it was a, an incredible giftbecause it humanized my parents
from an early age.
And I noticed with my kids, youknow, they've got that perfect
nuclear family.
(15:22):
And not everything is great, andnot everything is, is roses in
our family for sure.
We have our own struggles, butuh, because they've got this.
These two parents that reallylove each other and really love
them, that we can kind of becomethese, uh, paper cutouts of a
mom and a dad.
And so I almost think it's ashard as it is for them when I'm
(15:43):
being selfish perhaps, or whenI'm working around the clock.
Right now, I've got a booklaunch coming up and I'm not as
present to them in everythingthat they want or need from me.
I think it humanizes.
Me for them, which I think isimportant for my daughter, that
she sees that I get to putmyself first.
Sometimes there's a time and aseason for everything.
She, I keep telling the kids,I'll be back in the summer,
(16:04):
we're gonna have a great summer.
But right now I'm in book launchmode, you know, and I think it's
important for my boys to see awoman who is three dimensional
and multifaceted and complicatedand not perfect.
And, um.
Not who they want me to be allthe time, or who they need me to
be all the time because I'm anindividual and I'm living my own
(16:27):
life too.
So I think even from what itteaches the kids as hard a
lesson as that can be, I thinkit, it's important.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (16:35):
I love it.
Oh my gosh, I
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (16:37):
Thank
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (16:37):
Thank you so much for sharing that.
Um,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (16:40):
so.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (16:41):
going back with, you know, your two
characters uh, Carmen and Allielike.
How have your own friendshipsustained you through the, the
challenges of motherhood andcareer changes?
I'm curious what really inspiredyou to create these two
characters.
I know that you told us a littlebit more about, you know, just
(17:04):
the nuances of motherhood and,and all of that.
But, um, with your personal lifeand your own friendships, how,
how did
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (17:13):
Yeah,
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (17:14):
you know, sustain itself?
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-202 (17:15):
I think, uh, I think I
disconnected, I was so on acareer track that I did
disconnect and not look after myfriendships for a really long
time because again, only somany, so much of me to go
around.
And like I said, I was living adouble life.
I was living this life in thesuburbs, uh, and I was living a
life in the city as a magazineeditor where there were not.
(17:36):
I ironically, a lot enough, alot of moms, and we didn't talk
about being a mom because itwasn't, you know, it, it didn't
advance our career.
And so a lot of my friends weresingle And um, and, and so when
I ended up moving back home andbeing a stay at home mom and
beginning to feel outentrepreneurship and just
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getting to finally talk to othermoms was so.
Uh, healing and nurturing andit, you know, just, you know,
people being real about theirexperience.
And I just felt so aloneprevious to that and I was like,
I didn't have anybody to talk toabout what I was going through,
and I just had to pretend likeeverything was amazing all the
(18:18):
time and I had it together.
And so to finally talk to othermoms and hear their struggles
was really helpful to me.
Um, and, uh.
It just made me feel reallynormal.
And then I was also strugglingwith my friendships, and I'm
sure my friends were strugglingwith with me as to like, do we
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keep this friendship going?
Like what do we even have incommon anymore?
And um, I.
And especially even with myother mom friends right now, I
mean, it's such a struggle forus to get together.
There's like so many hilariousmemes, right?
It's like, we'll get togetherand then they're like 70 in Palm
Springs, and it's like, and it'slike I have so much grace for
them because I know they've gotkids and extracurriculars and
(19:02):
like, so much is going on.
So, uh, I, I feel like I'vefinally reached a point where I
put a little bit less pressureon myself that.
Uh, as far as guilt goes, as faras like, I'm not present enough
for them and they're not presentfor me, but I know that when we
do get together or when we doget on a call, even if it's once
a year, it's so wonderful andit's like no time has passed and
(19:26):
it's so nourishing and healingand cathartic, uh, that I know
it's worth keeping thatconnection alive.
And I feel they feel the same.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (19:36):
Yes.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (19:37):
Oh, I love it.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (19:38):
it.
I'm glad I'm not
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (19:39):
No.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (19:42):
And, and let me tell you, finding new
mom friends.
Uh, I, I think it's been welllike I'm a people person.
am a Gemini, first of all, andso I love to just like connect
with people and everything.
And through this platform I'vebeen able to establish new
friendships, right?
(20:02):
But.
know, I do hear a lot that itdoes make it very difficult to
find new mom friends and, andfinding the right mom friends.
You know, you can have a friendwho is a mom, but if their kids
are a little older right thanyours, or like for me
specifically, like I am raisingmy kids at this point, Spanish
dominant.
(20:23):
You know, so
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (20:23):
Nice.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (20:24):
talk about is Spanish and that's it.
And it does make it evenchallenging when.
My friends and even familymembers have kids, like they
only speak English and it makesit so difficult.
Um, and, and yeah, you know, it,it, it's, I think there's a
beauty within that that you getto choose and, but it's also.
(20:46):
At least for the oldfriendships, right, that
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (20:48):
Hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (20:48):
had before you became a mom.
also important to not lose trackof them or even like what you
have already created,
catalina-margulis_1_04- (20:58):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (20:59):
I find that a lot of moms, like as
soon as they become a mom, it'slike full
catalina-margulis_1_04- (21:03):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (21:04):
know?
You just.
Lose everything behind and, andit shouldn't be that
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (21:08):
Mm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (21:09):
again, we, we have that ability to
split ourselves to make surethat our families partners, if
we are in a partnerrelationship, are okay that we
are okay.
Like, and you know, if we'reable to kind of create this sort
of unit in our homes, like I'mpretty sure we can do that
outside of
catalina-margulis_1_04- (21:26):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (21:28):
bring a little bit of ourselves to our
old friendships, we can put alittle bit of ourselves into our
careers and, and just like.
Again, not just fully letmotherhood define
catalina-margulis_1_04- (21:38):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09 (21:39):
defined by
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (21:40):
Yeah,
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (21:40):
that makes
catalina-margulis_1 (21:41):
absolutely.
Because I feel like, uh,motherhood didn't really feel
like it fit me for a long time.
I kind of felt like I, I, I, youknow, I didn't wanna be a mom to
begin with.
My kids know this,unfortunately, I, I absolutely
freaking love them right now.
Like, I, you know, it changed.
My first baby changedeverything.
(22:02):
My priorities completely did a360, 180.
But before that, I like, reallyliked my life, you know?
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09 (22:09):
Mm-hmm.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-202 (22:10):
I also have like my, and my, my
aunts don't have kids.
And I saw my mom sacrifice somuch for me and my sister, and I
just was like, wow, you really,you know, you, you, you're
really the unfortunate one.
They are living their life.
They're going to Madrid.
They're dancing all night.
They travel whenever they feellike they got lots of money.
(22:30):
And here my mom is schleppingthese two kids around.
So I always felt like, you know,I looked up to them.
Um, but now.
You know, when I think about mymom and, you know, mother's Day
and Spa Days together, and I'mlike, oh no, she, she really,
she, she did, I don't wanna sayshe won, but she, she's finally
getting her payback.
It's like it's finally comingback to her.
(22:52):
All the selflessness andself-sacrifice that she's got,
you know, two friends, you know,that we adore her and we spend a
lot of quality time and we havea lot of fun together.
So, so that's been rewarding, Ithink.
For her in this season of herlife.
Um, but, but yeah, all that tosay, I think some people have a
calling, like my husband had acalling to be a dad.
(23:12):
You know, that, that it's notabout a career.
There was no other vision orgoal he had for himself.
Uh, and that's how heself-actualized.
But for me, there were so manyother passion projects.
There's writing books andstarting businesses, and I can't
stop my creative brain and.
Motherhood was one form ofcreativity for me, but I have a
(23:34):
lot of creativity for, um,inside of me, and it manifests
in a lot of different ways, andI cannot suppress it because
it's not good for my mentalhealth or my soul.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (23:46):
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
I think it's definitely finding
catalina-margulis_1_04- (23:49):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (23:50):
I would say, again, not losing
yourself.
Fully and catering towardsothers, but also like, how can
you find this balance?
Which it's
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (23:58):
It's so hard.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (23:59):
so hard.
And, and like you said, youknow, there will be seasons
where you do have to prioritizeon
catalina-margulis_1_04- (24:03):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (24:04):
Like right now you are launching
catalina-margulis_1_04- (24:05):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (24:06):
like, is me.
Right?
And then there will be seasonswhere we have to prioritize on
our
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (24:12):
Yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (24:12):
and.
And again, there's that beautywhere we can navigate this.
Like, just think that women canmake amazing CEOs in every
single company.
catalina-margulis_1 (24:22):
Absolutely.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (24:23):
that's just my thought.
catalina-margulis_1 (24:26):
Absolutely.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (24:28):
Yeah.
And so when talking about yourbook, I
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (24:30):
Going back
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (24:31):
back
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (24:31):
and forth.
Yeah, yeah.
No worries.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (24:32):
uh, I'm sure our listeners are
hanging in here and, you know,just listening to our
conversation because at, at theend of the day, this is a
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (24:39):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (24:40):
Um.
So going back to your character,Carmen, uh, she definitely
struggles with her
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (24:46):
Mm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (24:46):
right?
And, and she has transitionedfrom like this career woman to a
stay-at-home mom, kind ofsimilar to
catalina-margulis_1_04- (24:52):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (24:53):
right?
And to mine
catalina-margulis_1_04- (24:55):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (24:55):
I was super.
Into, uh, being in theprofessional world, right where
I just wanted to work, work,work, work.
And then had the opportunity forme to stay at, uh, to be a stay
at home mom.
And even when I had my firstchild, I was like, I will never
be a stay at home mom and lookat me.
But what would you say to, uh,my listeners who feel like
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they've lost parts of themselvesin motherhood and are sort of
seeking reinvention and, youknow, just how did you also
navigate this too?
catalina-margulis_1_04- (25:31):
Mm-hmm.
Um.
Yeah, I, I was so unfulfilled inmy career before I left it or
was kicked out.
Um, and so I started to steallittle pieces of time for
myself.
So, uh, for any wouldbe authorsor writers in here, I.
Um, there's um, a company and anapp called Wattpad.
(25:55):
And now Wattpad is a lot of fanfiction, fantasy, not my genre,
but they have a great app thatyou can actually write a book on
your phone.
And it's really cool'cause yousee the book come alive and it's
actually in pages and you seeall these things.
So I was miserable in a job andfor fun on my breaks, on my
lunches, I would just starttapping out stories on Wattpad
(26:17):
and it just brought me so muchjoy and it was that sense of.
Play.
And, uh, I started to give thatto myself and, and that just
grew.
And I think from that moment on,I have leaned into what is fun
and joyful and playful for me.
And that's what works.
And it has created entire.
(26:39):
Business trajectories for me,and it's just purely following
fun, you know, and, andchildlike joy.
And if I follow that, theclients will follow because
they're, the joy is infectious,you know, and I'm inviting to be
playful and joyful and with me.
So, uh, that has not steered mewrong.
And the more I carve out thatfor myself, and again.
(27:01):
It brings a different side ofmyself to my kids than me.
You know, going to a job andschlepping there and being
unhappy every day, you know,and, and doing things outta duty
in order of responsibility.
Now I just do things for fun andeverything else follows.
Um, but it just started withthat one step, those little mini
breaks, giving that little thingto myself and, and that's what I
(27:23):
would say to anybody aboutfollowing a passion project or
if there's a business you wannastart, maybe you love.
Fashion and you wanna start afashion brand or just like, you
know, I was, even when I was onmat leave the first time,
because I couldn't just do mom,like, I just couldn't shut off
the creative brain.
So I was mom blogging and, um,just when, you know, the baby
(27:44):
was napping.
And again, it was, it was fun.
I felt like I was doingsomething for myself.
I was feeling like I'm notdisappearing.
And, uh.
And so, yeah, all those timesthat I would give myself those
little glimpses.
It doesn't have to take up awhole day, but I felt like I was
moving towards something thatwas fulfilling and would
eventually turn into something,and it did.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (28:05):
Yeah, I love it.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (28:06):
Thank
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (28:07):
Isn't that beautiful how like when you
become a mom, you just all of asudden have room in
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (28:15):
oh,
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (28:17):
to be inspired to build something
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (28:21):
oh.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (28:22):
or a passion project or, you know,
and I often hear this a lot fromthe moms that they're like, I
don't know what happens, but assoon as I become a mom.
A sudden I have all of these
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (28:33):
Yes,
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09 (28:33):
through my head, and I think it's
because of lack of sleep.
Who knows?
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-202 (28:37):
I Hunter.
I, I think Itlo, it definitelyunlocked something because these
opportunities were available tome in my twenties.
I.
Like, you know, and I actuallyhad less responsibility and
commitment and financialcommitments and responsibility,
so why didn't I go after all ofthese things in my twenties?
There was something that happenswhen you become a mom that I
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feel like you just step into.
You know, just step into yourpower and you're like, I'm gonna
take care of this.
Like, it's so empowering.
Maybe that's what it is.
Maybe it's empowering.
It's just seeing that you'recapable of so much more than you
ever thought possible.
And it does unlock things.
I think I became a lot morecreative afterward, or maybe I
was just suppressed that, youknow, but there's something
(29:21):
about having a kid, it, itchanges everything.
jessica_1_04-15-202 (29:25):
Absolutely.
I love it.
And.
I just love that we feel thislevel of empowerment, and it's
almost like thisself-fulfillment in a way, but
making it more so on how you canleverage it to, to
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (29:41):
Hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (29:41):
actual business and then refocus your
time into that instead of beingconfined to like the nine to
catalina-margulis_1_04- (29:49):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (29:50):
Where many of us, again, we, we end
up.
Either forcefully becomingstay-at-home moms, or we decide
to be stay-at-home moms, and wehave that abil ability to, you
know, recreate things and becreative and, and I I love
catalina-margulis_1_04- (30:05):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (30:06):
Yeah.
So thank you for sharing that.
And so we're going to transitiona little bit more on like the
mom guilt, because I know thatthat is such a big thing.
Now that you're in this newtransition of launching your
book, and you reflect a littlebit on your experience on how it
was to actually write this bookhaving four kids.
(30:32):
Can you walk us through how itlooked
catalina-margulis_1_04- (30:34):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (30:34):
on your day to day or even now?
I'm, I'm assuming that you arebecoming a lot
catalina-margulis_1_04- (30:38):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (30:39):
you know, just promoting your book
and the whole marketing aspectof it.
Uh, but yeah, like what kinds ofsystems or mindset shifts did
you have to break, to make surethat you, you know, also
succeed,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (30:52):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (30:53):
listen to yourself and become this one
person that you wanna become
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (30:56):
Yeah.
Uh, yeah.
I mean, I think early on, um.
It did feel selfish because any,and that's kind of the reason
why I never wrote a book priorto to this one, was because,
well, I gotta get through schooland I gotta get my career and
then I gotta have the baby.
And then, and then it's like, Igotta make money.
I gotta pay bills.
(31:16):
And so what felt selfish backthen was writing a book that.
Wasn't, there was no paycheck atthe end of it.
You know, there it wasn't apromotion.
And so that was very, it feltvery selfish, and I'm sure you
know, my kids have paid a priceover the years on some of the
choices that I've made to be astay-at-home mom or to be a
part-time mom Now.
(31:38):
Um, or, or to be focusing on, onthe book.
And, uh, they've gone without,I'm sure they would've preferred
to have the nice new shoes and anice new car, you know, and I
hope that one day they willforgive me for all of that.
But, uh, you know, on the otherhand, I hope that they're
inspired by the bigger dreamsthat I've had and that I've
(31:59):
chased.
But, but yeah, that was a bigpiece of mon guilt was that I
should be using this time tomake money.
Or, um, be able to give my kidsmore.
So there was guilt around that.
Uh, lately I've been so busywith my business and I still, I
was adding up the hours.
I'm like, I still probably onlywork part-time.
The other day I was in the carthree hours driving my kids
(32:21):
between all theirextracurricular activities.
I'm like.
You know, it looks like I workaround the clock, but only
because I work in all the cracksof time that are not the kids,
but the kids are still takingmost of my day.
Um, and so, so for them, itgets, you know, I'll get
comments from them that I workall the time, or I've always got
my laptop with me.
(32:41):
And, um, you know, we'll haveconversations around that,
around like what mommy's doing,why I am doing it, uh, and, and
why it's important to me and whyI think it will help our family.
Uh, so we're pretty open onthose kinds of conversations.
But yeah, the kids will give metheir feedback every once in a
while.
And, um, but what I thinkthere's been a few things that
(33:02):
have really helped me over theyears.
First of all, I did do a lot ofpersonal development in the past
five years where I got a lot oftools and, um, was able to deal
with a lot of the, the mindsetthings and the, the personal
guilt and, and things like that.
Um, one.
Thing that has really served meis sprints.
Uh, and it helps me withwriting, and it helps me with
(33:25):
anything I do is just, uh, froma doing perspective, from a, you
know, as far as a goal settingis having a goal, but having it
like a short term.
So if you're.
Wanting to write a book.
Just think to myself, think toyourself, well, I'm just gonna
focus on the first draft.
Let me give myself three monthsor six months.
I'm gonna do the first draft,and then I'm gonna walk away,
and then I'm gonna go focus onmy business.
(33:46):
And so I have seasons like thatwhere I'm like, okay, I'm gonna
focus on my book for threemonths or six months, and then
I'm gonna focus on the businessfor.
Third and fourth quarter, youknow, um, or I know that this is
like high enrollment season orI'm in book launch season and I
know the kids will be home forthe summer.
So summer I'm really gonna scaleback.
(34:07):
I won't be taking meetings, Iwon't be taking on new clients.
I won't be, um, doing events andthings like that.
So, compartment, mentalizing mylife to make room for
everything, just not at the sametime necessarily has been a big
thing.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (34:21):
That's awesome and that's a big
reminder for many, and itdoesn't matter if you're
thinking about writing a book orbeing an entrepreneur.
I think it, it's so applicableto everyday life, whether if you
are focusing on your job rightnow or you have this big
project, or maybe right now yourkids need you because they are
going through a lot of emotionsand so it's.
(34:42):
think again, compartmentalizing.
I love that, that you mentionedthat, um, where we can't just do
everything all
catalina-margulis_1_04- (34:50):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (34:51):
'cause then that's when the resentment
comes, that's when thedysregulation comes and it
affects our mental health.
And just like how it doesn'tallow us to, to not like be
catalina-margulis_1_04- (35:04):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (35:04):
it Yeah.
Like to with our kids
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (35:07):
Yeah.
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (35:08):
I, I love
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (35:10):
Yeah, so the sprints, the sprints have
really helped and just, andhelps me manage my own emotions
knowing I, I'm feeling like I'mnot being a really great mom
right now, but I know.
I know that this is just for ashort time only, and I know that
why I, why my vision, like I'mclear on what my vision is.
I know why I am doing this, andI know that it's for this window
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only, and then I can be fullmobbing and I'll make it up to
them and all of that.
Uh, the other thing has been,uh, just small attainable goals,
you know, and when I firststarted writing, um, it, it
could just be 20 minutes a day,you know, whatever it is that
you're creating business.
Uh.
Business book, anything it, itdoesn't have to be something
(35:55):
that takes up your whole day oryour whole week.
It could just be 20 minutes aday.
Can you give yourself 20 minutesa day?
And for me, it's a big part ofmy self care is giving myself
that 20 minutes, taking care ofme and my needs and my deep
desires is part of my, so I kindof see it hand in hand with
self-care.
Can I give myself 20 minutes aday for my own dreams and my own
(36:16):
passion projects?
And.
The rest of the 23 and a halfhours is everybody else's,
right?
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (36:23):
Yes.
Uh, I love it.
I love it.
And I, I often talk about this,that self-care isn't bubble
baths, right?
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (36:31):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (36:32):
what we often think about what
self-care is.
It's literally how are youtaking care of yourself?
And this could be even likebeing a little
catalina-margulis_1_04- (36:40):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (36:40):
and doing work, but it's something
that feeds you, right, that you.
Are that literally it, it, it,it fuels
catalina-margulis_1_04- (36:48):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (36:49):
and thank you for sharing that
because I think that many of us,we think of self care and like
imagine it and see itdifferently, but it's mostly
like, how can you literallydedicate yourself at least 10
catalina-margulis_1_04- (37:02):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (37:03):
an hour?
And then it just becomes
catalina-margulis_1_04- (37:06):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (37:06):
It becomes like part of your
lifestyle, uh, too.
Again, just taking care of
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (37:12):
Yeah.
And it changes, you know, um,when, when kids were younger, I
remember I would square themaway.
Everybody was out of my face bylike eight o'clock.
They were in bed, they wereasleep.
And my things were happeningafter eight.
I'm like, that's my time, mymommy time.
Um, and now my kids never, like,they fall asleep after me.
It's impossible to get them tosleep.
It's impossible to get them tobed.
(37:32):
So, you know, my time hasshifted to first thing in the
morning and so I thinkespecially with Mommyhood and
everything is like the kids gothrough many different phases.
And so what.
What your routine will looklike, will evolve and change as
the kids do.
But that time is alwaysavailable to you.
It just might move in the day.
Um, but yeah, I, I, I, I feellike that's been, you know,
(37:55):
really important.
And I also just don't watch alot of TV and I just, I don't
do, you know, a lot of thingsbecause, um.
This is important to me and itdoes give me energy and fuel me,
and so there's a lot of thingsthat fall to the wayside because
of it.
So it's just being really clearon my priorities and where my
time is going and optimizing itin the way that best serves me.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (38:20):
Yes.
Oh my gosh, yes.
Time is
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (38:22):
Yes,
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (38:23):
you.
And if we're just wasting it onscrolling through our
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (38:27):
yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (38:28):
then we're just not, again, it all
falls back to like how we'remodeling ourselves in front of
our kids and also like ourwellbeing.
You know, we end up beingresentful because, oh my gosh, I
don't have so much time, my kidsthis, this, and that.
And we end up almost blaming thefact that our kids are taking
time from us.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (38:45):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (38:46):
like we really need to about, well,
where were we focusing
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (38:52):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (38:53):
During the past hour, whatever.
And, I think it all falls backinto that self-reflection, uh,
piece and
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (39:00):
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's been like the, the keyand the answer to me doing
anything in my life has reallybeen the sprints.
Um, and it gives me the energytoo, because when you look, when
you're looking at a big project,uh, it can be really draining,
you know?
But if I know, oh, I'm justgonna, this is just a sprint.
It's for a short time only.
(39:21):
I get so much energy to tacklejust about anything when I know
it's just for a short time only.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (39:26):
Right.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-20 (39:27):
we
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (39:28):
we talked a lot about mommy guilt
and how that looks like,especially for us moms who wanna
achieve, but we.
we have certain limits too.
You know, we can't just be, uh,these super go-getters, you
know, and be these super mamatoo.
And so what advice would youshare with my listeners about
(39:53):
how to overcome that mom
catalina-margulis_1_04- (39:55):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (39:57):
And all while like trying to pursue
their own projects
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (40:02):
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (40:05):
that look like?
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-202 (40:06):
I mean, getting really comfortable
with.
You know, not being a super mom,you know, um, I have not
mastered cooking.
I am a terrible cook.
Uh, I'm actually not, yeah, I'mnot great at doing homework with
my kids.
You know, my husband does that,or now I've got tutors because
I.
(40:27):
It's just not good for us, forme to be that person for them.
Um, and so acknowledging likewhat I'm not great at and giving
myself grace, it's like thereare things I'm amazing at, but
cooking and homework are not oneof them.
And so, you know, if the kidswanna write a story or if they
wanna workshop, um, anentrepreneurship project that
(40:49):
they're working on for school,I'm like, oh, I am in my
element.
Let's go.
You know?
Or.
We're talking about books orwe're talking about psychology
or personal development, likeI'm always coaching, you know,
they're always like, there goesmom again.
She's talking about that podcastshe watched and I always telling
them about the podcast I'mlistening to that I'm learning
from.
And so, um, there are the thingsthat I'm good at and I've gotten
(41:12):
better at being okay with notbeing great at a lot of things.
And that's, that's the price Ipay because I can't do it all.
I definitely can't do it at thesame time.
And I know that there are thingsthat I'm great at, and I just
get to really focus on thethings that I'm great at and the
things that, um, bring me joyand, and bring joy to my family.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (41:34):
Ugh.
I love it.
I love it.
Because otherwise then, yeah,you'll feel guilty and even
thinking of yourself as like.
A deficit,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-20 (41:43):
Oh yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (41:44):
like, oh, I'm not good enough with
this.
And, and no, it's definitelyacknowledging those aspects,
right?
Like, what are you actually goodat?
What are you not, and how canyou, ask for
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (41:53):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (41:53):
too?
And recognizing
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (41:55):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, I'm terrible with artprojects, you know, my sister
got all the art, so it's like,you know, go work with Tia or go
with your abuela.
You know, like I'm just totallyuseless with Play-Doh and a
paintbrush.
Um, and there's just no sense inme investing a ton of time to
get really great at that, um,or, or feeling bad about it.
And so, yeah, I just feel like Imoved through that a little bit
(42:18):
faster, but it did take a lot ofpractice and I.
There, there are times that Ifeel really crummy about it, you
know, that I'm like, oh, Iburned dinner again.
You know, like, can't get thisright.
Oh my god.
You know?
Um, but I'm just like, I justget to make a lot of money so we
can hire a cook one day andthat's my vision.
Or wait till my dad, my dadcomes back from Argentina this
(42:40):
week and then abuelo's in townand he can properly feed this
family and get us chimi chewy,and we'll just do steak every
night.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (42:49):
I
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (42:50):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (42:50):
I love it.
No.
Yeah.
I think it's, again, ki kind ofgoing back to the living
authentically as a mom.
I think that's something that weall need to recognize.
Even if we saw it with our mamasand abuelas, that perhaps with
the cooking piece, right?
They were really great cooks.
They were always in the kitchen.
That doesn't mean that we needto that or be that, you know, we
(43:14):
are obviously
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (43:15):
Yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (43:17):
you know, where we are prioritizing
ourselves a lot different thanthey
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (43:21):
Mm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (43:22):
But, you know, and, and that doesn't
mean that we are less of a momif we don't cook or if we're not
in the kitchen every
catalina-margulis_1_04- (43:30):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (43:31):
We're just different and we need to
recognize that for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-202 (43:35):
I just hope like, yeah, the kids
may not be nourished in thatsense, but hopefully they're
getting spiritual nourishment orsoulful nourishment and, and my,
my flavor of love looksdifferent than definitely my
abuelas in their cooking.
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (43:54):
I love it.
No, it's great.
I love
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (43:56):
Thank you.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (43:57):
All right.
Well, Catalina,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15- (44:00):
have
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (44:00):
final
catalina-margulis_1_04- (44:01):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (44:01):
for you, which I don't prepare my
guests until I kind of put themon the spot.
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (44:07):
Ah, love it.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (44:10):
So how are you redefining mad?
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (44:13):
Mm.
Uh, that is a really greatquestion.
I, I, I, I think that I'mredefining it in the sense of.
It's messier and funnier andmore wonderful than anything I
(44:34):
imagined.
And anything that we've been,anything that's been depicted
for us, I feel like, uh,mothers, from what I've seen,
have been very two dimensional,uh, on the screen.
Maybe not so much on the page,but I just think there's so many
(44:55):
more nuances and complexity andwomen are so much more complex
than we've really been shown.
And so I do feel like right nowit is, there's a wave, there's a
momentum of showing women in alltheir fullness and all their
multifacetedness and, and theircomplexity that they can be a
mother and they can feelconflicted about that, and they
(45:16):
can be in marriage and feelconflict.
Conflicted about that and, um,that we're not just happy to be
here.
We actually want a lot more.
We want it all baby,
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (45:27):
Yes, we do.
do.
And we can do
catalina-margulis_1_04-15-2 (45:29):
and we can do it all.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_09070 (45:31):
yes,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (45:33):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (45:34):
I
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (45:34):
Yeah.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (45:35):
I love it.
Oh my
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (45:36):
Thank you.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_ (45:37):
Catalina, where can people
catalina-margulis_1_04- (45:39):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (45:40):
Where can
catalina-margulis_1_04- (45:40):
Mm-hmm.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (45:42):
Which is so
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (45:43):
Thank you.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (45:44):
little bit
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (45:44):
Thank you.
So you can findme@catalinamargolis.com.
Uh, the book is at again, onlymore like you.com.
It's available at all yourfavorite retailers.
Barnes and Noble amazon.comcomes out April 29th.
It's available now.
And um, yeah, I hope you enjoyit.
And if you do, I would love tohear from you.
Please do reach out and you canalso find me on Instagram at ka
(46:06):
margulis.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0 (46:07):
Awesome.
I'll make sure to share that inthe show
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (46:09):
Nice.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (46:10):
and that way people can follow you
catalina-margulis_1_04- (46:13):
Without that,
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090 (46:14):
Again, I love that this is super
relevant to mamas, to guent, youknow, to people that are in
their forties and, uh, or goinginto their forties and, and
yeah.
You know, life doesn't
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (46:31):
Yeah.
Yes.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_090706 (46:34):
it,
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (46:34):
Thank you.
jessica_1_04-15-2025_0907 (46:35):
Well, thank you so much for being
catalina-margulis_1_04-15 (46:37):
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
It was a super fun conversation.
I really enjoyed it.
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