December 5, 2025 • 30 mins
The heart of Ohio agriculture beats inside family trucks, quiet cab rides, and long rows that hold equal parts pride and pressure. We sit with first‑generation farmer Nathan Brown to trace the real story behind the harvest: the money paid up front, the machinery that breaks at the worst time, and weather that never reads the plan. Nathan shares how he scaled from 25 acres to 2,000, why conservation practices ground his work, and what it took to exit cattle during a drought without losing hope or identity.
The conversation turns to mental health where the stakes are human and immediate. Nathan names the stigma farmers face, the belief they must fix everything alone, and the danger of silent struggle. He offers a toolkit built on lived experience: “get your five” trusted contacts, call to vent before rumination takes over, step away for a few hours to reset, and treat counseling like any other professional service. You’ll hear why subtle signals on a farm speak volumes and how persistence can save a life.
We also explore the wider system: market swings, policy shocks, and public narratives that misread modern farming. Nathan outlines simple ways organizations can help, from short mental health segments at ag events to creating real on‑ramps for new producers.
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SPEAKER_02 (00:04):
Welcome to Voices for Suicide Prevention.
As we like to say, ourconversations are real talk,
real honest, real life.
I'm Stephanie Booker.
SPEAKER_01 (00:13):
And I'm Scott Light.
I think if we were to go around,Stephanie, and ask Ohioans,
what's the biggest industry inour state?
You know we'd get a variety ofanswers, but folks, there is
only one.
And there has been only one fora long time in our state.
It is agriculture.
We also know that Ohio farmersand ag producers out there are
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under tremendous stress and theyoften don't address it.
Today, we're going to.
We are honored to have thepresident of the Ohio Farm
Bureau Foundation, Nathan Brown,joining us.
Nathan, welcome.
Oh, thank you for having me.
It's good to have you.
SPEAKER_02 (00:49):
And Nathan, uh, as we were learning, you're a
first-generation farmer inHillsboro, um, which is rather
unusual to be a first generationfarmer.
Um, tell us a little bit aboutyourself and your farm.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
I'm a first generation farmer.
I raise root crops primarily.
Um I I do have some livestock,you know, spread out here and
there, but uh, you know, reallyfound my passion for agriculture
when I was about eight yearsold.
Um, I I used to crawl throughthe fence and help my neighbor
set tobacco.
And uh, you know, as as I grewthrough my teenage years, I had
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opportunities um to work forthat farmer more full-time after
school and stuff.
And then as I was graduatinghigh school and trying to figure
out what I was going to do for acareer, he came to me one day
and said, Hey, uh, if you'reinterested in farming, like I
would like to help you getstarted.
And so him and a series of otherneighbors give me a few
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opportunities.
And I've always been one that ifthere's an opportunity there, no
matter if you're sure about itor not, you at least explore it.
And so um I've been blessed ummany times over since then.
Um, today I've grown my my roadcrop operate operation from
about 25 acres was my first cropin 2002, and so today we farm
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about 2,000 acres of road crops.
Wow.
Met my wife right after highschool.
We got married in 2002, too.
So 2002 was a big year for us.
Um, we have twin boys that arefreshmen in high school right
now, and my daughter is inseventh grade, and uh they are
keeping us very busy with schooland extracurricular activities
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and and just being there to farmand helping out.
SPEAKER_01 (02:35):
You mentioned your kids.
Are they uh are they curiousabout about farming, about about
agriculture?
SPEAKER_00 (02:41):
Oh yeah, they're very much uh uh interested in
what I do on a daily basis.
My oldest son, I say if it's gota steering wheel, he's gonna be
a part of it.
Okay.
Um my younger twin Luke, he helikes livestock, and so he's the
one that's chasing sheep andcows and whatever.
Um, and then we just call thedaughter the boss.
(03:01):
Okay.
Smart man.
SPEAKER_02 (03:04):
Yeah.
And and I think what is unique,again, that whole first
generation uh farming, I I wouldthink it would not be it a
normal thing to happen inagriculture these days.
SPEAKER_00 (03:16):
There are not a lot of first generation farmers
nowadays.
Um, you know, farming, even whenI started in 2002, was a very
difficult um career path to godown.
Uh you got there's lots ofbarriers to getting into
agriculture, you know, access toland, whether you are buying it
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or cash renting it, um,machinery, acquiring machinery,
the cost of machinery, the costof new machinery today, um, the
cost of inputs.
Uh, you know, there there are somany challenges that come along
with getting into theoccupation.
And then once you're there,trying to navigate um the
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markets and and you know,societal pressures, and there's
there's a lot more toagriculture than just you know,
cows and sows and plows, youknow.
It it's a full-time business.
And you know, the one big thingabout it is it's it's an awesome
lifestyle.
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It it is a business, and we haveto run our farms as businesses,
but it's also a lifestyle, like,you know, because I that's
that's where I live, that'swhere I work, it's where, you
know, at the end of the day,when my work day's over, I go
from the barn that's beside thehouse into the house, you know.
And when I look out the windowin the morning when the sun's
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coming up, I'm looking at mycrops or my livestock or you
know, whatever.
So um there's also thoseopportun, you know, the the
challenges of being able to shutoff your your business and your
mine.
SPEAKER_01 (04:54):
Right.
What um you mentioned row cropsand you have livestock too.
Uh tell us what you're growingand and the livestock you have.
SPEAKER_00 (05:01):
So primarily we focus on corn and soybeans in
today's markets and stuff.
That's that's primarily whatmost farmers in Ohio grows.
Um every once in a while we'llwe'll do some uh some wheat.
Um one thing I I'm veryconservation-minded, and so I I
concentrate on trying to to uhgrow my soil health and and I do
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a lot of cover crops and a lotof you know trying to make sure
that I'm conserving the land andeverything the best of my
abilities.
Uh we did have a cow calfoperation um up until last year,
and we decided at that point intime with the drought and stuff
last year, it was really tough.
I started having to haul wateron and and my livestock were all
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on places that I didn't own, Iwas cashuring those, and and so
you know, the the fences weren'tthe best and the water sources
weren't the best, and I washauling water and I was hauling
hay, and you know, I pretty muchfed all of my hay from the first
of July till uh about the firstof November, and then I was out
of hay, and it's like, do youkeep the cows and try to buy
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hay?
And you know, if you were insouthern Ohio last summer, we
experienced such a bad droughtthat that there wasn't an
abundance of hay to be found,and so we just decided at that
point in time that we would exitthe the uh the cattle business.
Um, but I do have my you know,my kids are in 4-H and stuff,
and so we do have a flock ofsheep, mainly around the the
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show stock side of things.
Um, because again, my one son,he absolutely loves the
livestock part of it, and that'skind of his thing.
Um, but then I do have some hairsheep that I graze and and kind
of incorporate that into my intomy cropping systems and my soil
health.
SPEAKER_02 (06:46):
So, how do you manage your self-care, your
mental wellness?
SPEAKER_00 (06:52):
We talk about the challenges in agriculture and
riding on a tractor and andseeing the sunset and looking
over and seeing my kids umoperating a tractor right beside
me in the field, or putting themout there to do to some field
work for me.
I mean, those are the thingsthat bring joy to me.
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Um, but there are so manystresses, and there's so many
things.
Basically, everything a farmerdoes is out of their control.
I mean, we can try to manage,but we're at the mercy of buying
our inputs from retailers andand you know, we can buy the
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best seed, we can buy the bestmachinery, and all that stuff
comes at a cost too.
Um, we can try to plant whenit's the right time, we try to
harvest when it's the righttime, but at the end of the day,
Mother Nature controls what wegrow in that field, and then
after at the end of the year,we're sitting here with a crop,
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and you know, we are told whatwe're gonna sell it for.
So a lot of the things that I'velearned over the years is we've
got a lot of work that has to bedone, but I have to take time
for myself, and I have to bewilling to take time for my
kids, to take time for myfamily, to take time for the
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things that I find joy in, evenin those busy seasons.
Because in April, in May, youknow, that is our our sprinting
season.
It's we've got a very shortwindow to get our crops planted.
Um and then kind of in the fall,we're more in our marathon
season.
That's what I kind of theanalogies I use.
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But um, in both those seasons,we have to remember that it's
okay to have a bad day.
It's okay.
I mean, stuff's gonna breakdown, things are gonna get
goofed up.
It's it's that's life.
But we have to take time.
Um, I got a group of fivefriends, and I tell guys, get
your five.
That we pretty much all calleach other on if not every day
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or every you know, every coupledays, and just basically we we
sit there and have a complainingsession to each other.
But it, you know, it's it's goodfor all of us.
As farmers, we're siloed a lotbecause we work by ourselves for
the most part.
You may have employees, butstill you spend the majority of
the day, if you're uh a roadcrop farmer, in a little four
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foot by four foot box, a a cabof something, whether it's a
tractor or a sprayer or even apickup truck or a semi-truck.
Um and so you can you get a lotof times um you get a little
time too much time to thinksometimes.
And so uh if if I like callingbuddies up just to distract
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myself sometimes.
SPEAKER_01 (09:51):
That's smart.
That's good.
I mean, just to have that, evenif you like you you use the word
complain, but people need tovent.
They just need to get it out,right?
It's a support system thatyou've built.
SPEAKER_00 (10:02):
Yes.
I can't pour from my cup insomebody else's cup if if if I'm
not if I'm not at my best.
And so being able to to to ventand get rid of some of that
toxicness helps me be able tohelp the next person.
SPEAKER_01 (10:19):
So let's talk about your message and your role,
because you have other officialtitles.
Um, as we mentioned, presidentof the Ohio Farm Bureau
Foundation.
So let me ask you this, Nathan.
Uh when you talk to otherfarmers out there, those who
aren't in your tight-knit group,how do you encourage other
farmers out there again to toStephanie's question earlier?
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Try to take a little self-careback, bring it back to the farm.
SPEAKER_00 (10:45):
You know, I get a lot of opportunities on my own
to to go around and speak atdifferent, not only farm bureau
events, but uh other farmrelated events.
And I always I always go back toyour your farm is only as good
as you are.
And if you can't, if if you'restruggling, um, your farm's
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struggling.
And it's hard to see thatsometimes.
I know I've got a friend ofmine, he didn't live very close,
he didn't live very far from me,but he called me up, that was
probably five miles from me.
He called me up one day andsaid, Hey, I need your help.
I got hogs at loose, which heraised hogs and had them in his
barn.
I thought it was just was kindof a weird request, you know,
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why if you got hogs out, whyaren't you getting your
neighbor, you know, that's a lotcloser to me.
And and uh so I went over therebecause it just something wasn't
right.
And uh when I got there, he hadalready gotten hogs back in by
that point in time, and so Ihelped him fix the hole where
they got out, and we kind oftalked, and as I pulled in, I
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started looking around the farmand and I I started noticing how
things were out of place, um,things were starting to look
kind of run down, and and so wewe had that conversation.
I I started asking, you know,what's going on?
I said, you know, things thingsaround here don't look the same.
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Of course, he didn't want toadmit it, and you know, we none
of us do.
And so, you know, he tried topush me out the door first
thing, of course.
I s I dug my heels in and said,Brandon, I said, we need to have
a conversation here, because youknow, you're not being your best
at the moment, because I can seeit, because your hogs got out,
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you've got a mess in the barnlot, so what's going on?
And I I tell guys all the timeif you see something like that
to one of your friends, one ofyour neighbors, um, especially
ag professionals, bankers,fertilize um salesmen, i if you
go on to a farm and you seesomething that's out of place,
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say something, ask it, andyou're probably gonna get some
pushback.
Uh eventually Brandon startedopening up that day, and I sat
there and listened to him for anhour and a half, and and that
was really, I mean, I helped Ipushed him to get some help
outside of me, but thatconversation we had that day
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really opened his eyes that hehad been struggling and
struggling for a while.
Um, and so I again I as I'm outtalking to people, if you n if
you if you're getting stressed,if you're getting short with
your family, if you're gettingshort with your employees, if
you're you know, if you'rehaving bad thoughts, like just
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take a break.
Walk away from it for a littlewhile.
Again, you know, that's it'sit's our livelihoods, it's it's
our lifestyle, so you can'tcompletely get away with it.
But you know, I know I rememberone spring I was having a really
tough day, and I had two orthree things on a plan that
broke down, and I just I justgot reached my bullying point,
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and I knew that I needed to takea break.
And so I called the wife up andI said, Hey, I said, I why don't
we take off this afternoon andgo to a ball game?
And so we load the kids up andwe drove down to Cincinnati and
we took in a a Reds game, andyou know, the next morning I
come back and I was I was readyto go again.
And and you know, the the myvision was clear again because
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it was awful cloudy the afterthe afternoon before.
So and I encourage everybody, ifyou feel if something doesn't
feel right, just take thatbreak.
And to ask for help becauseprofessionals are out there.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (14:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (14:32):
And in and in in the agricultural community, is it
hard for men to feel like oreven the women who are in
involved in the business, is ithard for them to feel like they
can open up and talk tosomebody?
SPEAKER_00 (14:45):
So farmers have always been the ones that
they're the they're theveterinarian, they're the
banker, they're the mechanic,they're they're the fixer of
anything and everything.
Uh if there's bail and want bailand twine and and duct tape, we
can fix it.
Um and and that thought processa lot of times has been pushed
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into the the mental health andand the emotional health side of
us.
Um and so yeah, there is a huge,huge stigma in mental health in
the farming community aroundmental health.
Um good friend of mine wasstruggling there a while back,
and I was, you know, again,pushing him towards going and
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and seeking that help.
And he told me, he's like, Well,I can't do that.
And I said, Well, like, I willdrive to your house, I will go
with you, I will hold your hand,like there's nothing to be
scared of, nothing to be ashamedof.
I mean, if if you you have ifyou're having chest pains,
you're gonna go you're gonna gosee the doctor.
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Yep.
He's like, he looked at me andhe says, I can't do that though.
I said, What do you mean?
He said I had an oldergeneration person tell me that
now I was the leader of thefamily and that I couldn't break
down.
I had to be strong for the restof them.
And that's true with a lot ofmen, uh and not just in
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agriculture, but especially inagriculture where we are we're
the ones that's supposed to beable to fix everything.
SPEAKER_01 (16:23):
Yeah.
And you're also I I think aboutwhat you mentioned when you
talked about your kids in thebeginning, though, when people
like you, your fellow farmers,your fellow producers, when they
do get that help or take thatbreak, that is modeling other
behavi that's modeling behaviorfor others, for other ag
producers, for kids.
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And that's how stigmas getbroken.
That's how stereotypes getbroken.
SPEAKER_00 (16:49):
That's what I've been working on for a long time
now.
I've, you know, I've seen I'vehad, you know, I've struggled
myself and I've tried to learnthose coping mechanisms how to
how to self-care.
And and, you know, I've hadpoints in my life where I've
needed to go talk toprofessionals.
And and I I've, you know, youget through that scariness of
it, and you're like, oh, well,this isn't no different than
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going to my family doctor,really.
Absolutely.
And uh, you know, and andespecially now as we're raising
kids, we've my wife and I haveboth seen how important mental
health is.
And you know, and both uh in allthree of our kids, we have made
sure that um we were we'reteaching them good coping
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mechanisms and and everything.
So yeah, it's just that thatstigma and it's so hard to get
through.
But there's there's so manyopportunities out there for s
for self-care and andprofessional help if you need
it.
Yeah.
But we just gotta break throughthat stigma.
SPEAKER_01 (17:51):
I've yet to meet anybody who can fill their own
cavity.
You know what I mean?
I mean I y I mean, really, I Isay that in jest, of course, but
again, that's why we haveprofessionals.
That's why we have psychologistsand psychiatrists and licensed
social workers and because weneed them.
And and it and Stephanie and Italk about this all the time.
It's a sign of strength, notweakness.
SPEAKER_02 (18:11):
Exactly.
And having people like you, asScott said, being that role
model for your fellow farmer,for your kids, for your wife or
your family.
You've you've been talking aboutthis for a couple of years now,
um, about speaking the truthabout mental health.
And in fact, that was your guesteditorial that you wrote a
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couple of years ago.
How did that come about?
How did that opportunity presentitself?
And and what has been thereaction to that message and
your continued message that youare trying to reach in the in
your ag community?
SPEAKER_00 (18:46):
I had a really close family friend um who decided
that he was going to end hislife with by suicide, and that
really broke me very hard.
Um he was somebody that I he wasan older gentleman.
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Um had had two boys that hefarmed with.
Um somebody that I had boughtequipment off of and sold
equipment, and I had talked tohim I don't know how many times
and tried to help him throughhis struggles.
And so then when he took hislife, I knew that I had to do
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more.
I had to speak up, and so Istarted writing and and I had an
opportunity to write thatarticle.
And I just want guys to knowthat you're not alone.
I mean, yeah, we're all we'reall competing against each other
for land or whatever, but at theend of the day we're still
fathers, brothers, sisters,husbands, neighbors people count
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on you.
And when you decide that it'snot life's no longer worth
living for you, the heartacheand the the terribleness that
comes to the rest of the familyis is really hard.
Um and I look at that familytoday and the you know, he is
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not better off.
That family is not better offtoday than um they had it pretty
good when he was here, but hecouldn't see that.
And we got to get more guys torealize that there's help out
there to get you through thosedark times.
And you're worth more than yourfarm.
Um we we get wrapped up so muchin because we live it every day.
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It's our identity.
Uh we we feel that if we're notif we don't have our farm
anymore, then we're nothing.
Well, you're way more than yourfarm.
Way, way more than your farm.
And I think we we worry aboutthe future way too much instead
of living in today.
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Um because a lot of I've noticedespecially with the older
generation, a lot of theirworries is what's gonna happen
when I'm gone, what's gonnahappen with the kids.
You have no control over that.
So just enjoy your life.
Enjoy your life with your kids,with your family, with your
friends, with your community,because that's what's most
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important.
SPEAKER_01 (21:25):
You talked about those stressors and the the
various jobs that that farmersand ag producers have to take
on.
You yes, you're producers,you're veterinarians, you're
plumbers, you're electricians,you're accountants, you follow
regulations at the local, state,and federal level.
But out of all that is isweather still the number one
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stressor?
SPEAKER_00 (21:49):
It's a very big one.
Okay.
It's a very big one.
Um but I wouldn't I wouldn'tnecessarily always uh I think
it's case by case.
Okay.
Um you know, some of it's familyrelationships.
How do I transition between onegeneration to the next
generation?
Uh some people it's publicperception because farmers are
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less than two percent of thepopulation today, and and not
very many people do it, butthere are people that vilify
what we do on a daily basis andsay that we're bad people and
we're poisoning earth, and youknow there's there's a lot of
different stressors.
And to say that weather, I meanweather is by far the most
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biggest uncontrollable, but um Iwould say right now with what
we've got going on in politicsis is uh you know another
stressor.
You don't, you know, one day themarket's up, you know, fifty
cents, and then there's a tweetput out, and then markets are
back down fifty cents.
And so it's it's the uncertaintyof what the future is and
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knowing how to position yourselfand plan for the future to be
successful is is about as big astressor too.
So just multiple things.
SPEAKER_02 (23:05):
So how can the Ohio Suicide Prevention Foundation,
how can other organizations suchas the OSU Extension Office, how
can we be champions for the farmcommunity, for farmers like you?
SPEAKER_00 (23:19):
Yeah, I think it's extension and the Ohio Suicide
Prevention Um and a lot of FarmBureau, a lot of the commodity
groups are all starting to takeup the conversation.
I think that's the first step isjust acknowledging that the guys
are struggling and and that weneed we need to talk about it.
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Um and so you know, getting outand and it's hard, and that's
what I've struggled with thelast few years, is how do you
how do you get people in a roomto talk about it?
Because you say I'm gonna have aan event that is focused on
mental health, you're not gonnaget any farmers to show up.
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And so, you know, I encourage umall of our groups that are
involved in agriculture in someway or another to partner.
Um and when we have thoseevents, have somebody like
Extension, like you guys come inand and just a 10 or 15 minute
little blurb during the pressthe presentation, I think has
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been um has been a reallyimpactful thing.
Uh that's what that's what kindof I've been doing the last few
years.
I've been invited to severalconferences and and they'll just
put a half an hour little spotin the middle of the conference,
and you know, they've alreadygot the farmers there.
It's not like they're going toturn around and leave.
And so they're kind of kind of acaptive off audience.
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But uh, you know, I've had somereally great conversations after
those of people that's just hey,I've been struck one.
Thank you for acknowledging itand and being here and and
letting me know that I'm not theonly one.
And so just just having thoseconversations, partnering up
together and and and trying toget those messages in front of
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as many farmers as we can.
SPEAKER_01 (25:12):
Speaking of great conversations, we know that you
like talking to young people uhabout farming and especially in
your role uh at the Farm BureauFoundation.
Tell us more, tell our audiencemore about the Growing Tomorrow
Grant, Nathan.
SPEAKER_00 (25:26):
So the Growing Tomorrow Grant is uh is a grant
that we've started here in thelast year.
It was actually started by Mikeand Patty Boyart from up in
Medina County, and um they hadkind of the first generation
journey kind of similar to whatmine is, but a little bit
different.
But uh they they really wantthey really have a passion for
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the next generation and helpingpeople get started into into
farming and agriculture.
And so they they started this umthis grant process last year
that will award um up to tworecipients a year a very nice
grant in order for them to helpstart their business and and to
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move their move theiragriculture enterprise um
forward.
And so that's uh it's a reallyawesome thing, really cool thing
that that Mike and Patty havedone.
SPEAKER_02 (26:24):
And that then goes into how we can continue to have
the farming community grow andand hopefully be able to prosper
as well.
And so looking forward to thatnext generation of the of Ohio
farmer.
What are you excited aboutmoving forward in your industry?
SPEAKER_00 (26:48):
Right now I'm excited to for the opportunities
that's gonna come for my kids.
You know, my time actually onthe Ohio Farm Bureau Foundation
and Federation are both comingto an end here in the next uh
next few weeks.
I decided that life at home isis very busy, um, and that I I
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want to take the next few yearswhile my kids are still in high
school and and really focus onthem and focus on my farming
operation and trying to tryingto get my farming operation to a
point where that if my kids dowant to come back and work on
the farm full time, that there'san opportunity and there's a
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place for them.
Um and I'm okay if they don'twant to come back and farm, um,
but I don't want to be in sixyears scratching my head
thinking they're getting readyto get out of college.
What am I gonna do?
And so as much negativity as ishappening right now in in the
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world and agriculture andeverything, I still am excited
for the opportunities to farmwith my family.
I have several passions andtalking about farmer mental
health and and suicideprevention is one of them, um,
along with uh several otherthings.
I don't know that I'm going touh clear walk away from things,
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but I I just for the next fewyears I want to focus on a
little bit on myself.
You know, the last couple yearsI've ups and downs and
struggles, and I look at myselfand I've gained some weight and
I've done some not I mean I justI need to make myself healthier
for one.
I need to take something off myplate, and I thought right now
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I've had uh I've had greatopportunity with the Ohio Farm
Bureau, but it's time for thatnext person to step up and and
to to do what I was doing thereand and to just see what
happens.
Um I started I helped start thethe Suicide Coalition uh in
Highland County and and then thelast couple years of my farming
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stuff's gotten busier and boardmeetings have gotten in the way
of making meetings and stuff.
And uh so hoping to get a littlebit more involved back at the
local level, um, because uhreally at the end of the day
that's where I can make thebiggest impact.
SPEAKER_02 (29:16):
And those coalitions make such a big difference in
their community, so weappreciate all the work that
they're doing in HighlandCounty.
SPEAKER_01 (29:23):
Last thing.
What's the best thing aboutbeing a farmer, Nathan?
SPEAKER_00 (29:26):
The the very first time I was sitting in a combine
shelling corn, I can justpicture the field right now, and
I had both boys sitting in atractor that was they were they
had tractor and grain cart andwas was carton grained to the
semis for me.
That was the best thing.
But just just being my own bossand and the soil, I love the
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soil, I love the growing things,including my family.
That's what it's all about.
About seeing the sunrises andsunsets and and getting to enjoy
it with my family.
SPEAKER_02 (30:06):
Nathan Brown, thank you so much for your commitment
to your industry and to mentalhealth as well.
And we thank you for puttingfood on the table here in Ohio
and beyond.
Thank you so much.
And to our listeners as well,thank you.
When you listen to our episodes,you break stigmas, you break
barriers, and you care aboutmental health and saving lives.
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This is Voices for SuicidePrevention, brought to you by
the Ohio Suicide PreventionFoundation.
Welcome to Voices for Suicide Prevention.
As we like to say, ourconversations are real talk,
real honest, real life.
I'm Stephanie Booker.
SPEAKER_01 (00:13):
And I'm Scott Light.
I think if we were to go around,Stephanie, and ask Ohioans,
what's the biggest industry inour state?
You know we'd get a variety ofanswers, but folks, there is
only one.
And there has been only one fora long time in our state.
It is agriculture.
We also know that Ohio farmersand ag producers out there are
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under tremendous stress and theyoften don't address it.
Today, we're going to.
We are honored to have thepresident of the Ohio Farm
Bureau Foundation, Nathan Brown,joining us.
Nathan, welcome.
Oh, thank you for having me.
It's good to have you.
SPEAKER_02 (00:49):
And Nathan, uh, as we were learning, you're a
first-generation farmer inHillsboro, um, which is rather
unusual to be a first generationfarmer.
Um, tell us a little bit aboutyourself and your farm.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
I'm a first generation farmer.
I raise root crops primarily.
Um I I do have some livestock,you know, spread out here and
there, but uh, you know, reallyfound my passion for agriculture
when I was about eight yearsold.
Um, I I used to crawl throughthe fence and help my neighbor
set tobacco.
And uh, you know, as as I grewthrough my teenage years, I had
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opportunities um to work forthat farmer more full-time after
school and stuff.
And then as I was graduatinghigh school and trying to figure
out what I was going to do for acareer, he came to me one day
and said, Hey, uh, if you'reinterested in farming, like I
would like to help you getstarted.
And so him and a series of otherneighbors give me a few
(01:47):
opportunities.
And I've always been one that ifthere's an opportunity there, no
matter if you're sure about itor not, you at least explore it.
And so um I've been blessed ummany times over since then.
Um, today I've grown my my roadcrop operate operation from
about 25 acres was my first cropin 2002, and so today we farm
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about 2,000 acres of road crops.
Wow.
Met my wife right after highschool.
We got married in 2002, too.
So 2002 was a big year for us.
Um, we have twin boys that arefreshmen in high school right
now, and my daughter is inseventh grade, and uh they are
keeping us very busy with schooland extracurricular activities
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and and just being there to farmand helping out.
SPEAKER_01 (02:35):
You mentioned your kids.
Are they uh are they curiousabout about farming, about about
agriculture?
SPEAKER_00 (02:41):
Oh yeah, they're very much uh uh interested in
what I do on a daily basis.
My oldest son, I say if it's gota steering wheel, he's gonna be
a part of it.
Okay.
Um my younger twin Luke, he helikes livestock, and so he's the
one that's chasing sheep andcows and whatever.
Um, and then we just call thedaughter the boss.
(03:01):
Okay.
Smart man.
SPEAKER_02 (03:04):
Yeah.
And and I think what is unique,again, that whole first
generation uh farming, I I wouldthink it would not be it a
normal thing to happen inagriculture these days.
SPEAKER_00 (03:16):
There are not a lot of first generation farmers
nowadays.
Um, you know, farming, even whenI started in 2002, was a very
difficult um career path to godown.
Uh you got there's lots ofbarriers to getting into
agriculture, you know, access toland, whether you are buying it
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or cash renting it, um,machinery, acquiring machinery,
the cost of machinery, the costof new machinery today, um, the
cost of inputs.
Uh, you know, there there are somany challenges that come along
with getting into theoccupation.
And then once you're there,trying to navigate um the
(04:00):
markets and and you know,societal pressures, and there's
there's a lot more toagriculture than just you know,
cows and sows and plows, youknow.
It it's a full-time business.
And you know, the one big thingabout it is it's it's an awesome
lifestyle.
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It it is a business, and we haveto run our farms as businesses,
but it's also a lifestyle, like,you know, because I that's
that's where I live, that'swhere I work, it's where, you
know, at the end of the day,when my work day's over, I go
from the barn that's beside thehouse into the house, you know.
And when I look out the windowin the morning when the sun's
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coming up, I'm looking at mycrops or my livestock or you
know, whatever.
So um there's also thoseopportun, you know, the the
challenges of being able to shutoff your your business and your
mine.
SPEAKER_01 (04:54):
Right.
What um you mentioned row cropsand you have livestock too.
Uh tell us what you're growingand and the livestock you have.
SPEAKER_00 (05:01):
So primarily we focus on corn and soybeans in
today's markets and stuff.
That's that's primarily whatmost farmers in Ohio grows.
Um every once in a while we'llwe'll do some uh some wheat.
Um one thing I I'm veryconservation-minded, and so I I
concentrate on trying to to uhgrow my soil health and and I do
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a lot of cover crops and a lotof you know trying to make sure
that I'm conserving the land andeverything the best of my
abilities.
Uh we did have a cow calfoperation um up until last year,
and we decided at that point intime with the drought and stuff
last year, it was really tough.
I started having to haul wateron and and my livestock were all
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on places that I didn't own, Iwas cashuring those, and and so
you know, the the fences weren'tthe best and the water sources
weren't the best, and I washauling water and I was hauling
hay, and you know, I pretty muchfed all of my hay from the first
of July till uh about the firstof November, and then I was out
of hay, and it's like, do youkeep the cows and try to buy
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hay?
And you know, if you were insouthern Ohio last summer, we
experienced such a bad droughtthat that there wasn't an
abundance of hay to be found,and so we just decided at that
point in time that we would exitthe the uh the cattle business.
Um, but I do have my you know,my kids are in 4-H and stuff,
and so we do have a flock ofsheep, mainly around the the
(06:30):
show stock side of things.
Um, because again, my one son,he absolutely loves the
livestock part of it, and that'skind of his thing.
Um, but then I do have some hairsheep that I graze and and kind
of incorporate that into my intomy cropping systems and my soil
health.
SPEAKER_02 (06:46):
So, how do you manage your self-care, your
mental wellness?
SPEAKER_00 (06:52):
We talk about the challenges in agriculture and
riding on a tractor and andseeing the sunset and looking
over and seeing my kids umoperating a tractor right beside
me in the field, or putting themout there to do to some field
work for me.
I mean, those are the thingsthat bring joy to me.
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Um, but there are so manystresses, and there's so many
things.
Basically, everything a farmerdoes is out of their control.
I mean, we can try to manage,but we're at the mercy of buying
our inputs from retailers andand you know, we can buy the
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best seed, we can buy the bestmachinery, and all that stuff
comes at a cost too.
Um, we can try to plant whenit's the right time, we try to
harvest when it's the righttime, but at the end of the day,
Mother Nature controls what wegrow in that field, and then
after at the end of the year,we're sitting here with a crop,
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and you know, we are told whatwe're gonna sell it for.
So a lot of the things that I'velearned over the years is we've
got a lot of work that has to bedone, but I have to take time
for myself, and I have to bewilling to take time for my
kids, to take time for myfamily, to take time for the
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things that I find joy in, evenin those busy seasons.
Because in April, in May, youknow, that is our our sprinting
season.
It's we've got a very shortwindow to get our crops planted.
Um and then kind of in the fall,we're more in our marathon
season.
That's what I kind of theanalogies I use.
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But um, in both those seasons,we have to remember that it's
okay to have a bad day.
It's okay.
I mean, stuff's gonna breakdown, things are gonna get
goofed up.
It's it's that's life.
But we have to take time.
Um, I got a group of fivefriends, and I tell guys, get
your five.
That we pretty much all calleach other on if not every day
(09:07):
or every you know, every coupledays, and just basically we we
sit there and have a complainingsession to each other.
But it, you know, it's it's goodfor all of us.
As farmers, we're siloed a lotbecause we work by ourselves for
the most part.
You may have employees, butstill you spend the majority of
the day, if you're uh a roadcrop farmer, in a little four
(09:29):
foot by four foot box, a a cabof something, whether it's a
tractor or a sprayer or even apickup truck or a semi-truck.
Um and so you can you get a lotof times um you get a little
time too much time to thinksometimes.
And so uh if if I like callingbuddies up just to distract
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myself sometimes.
SPEAKER_01 (09:51):
That's smart.
That's good.
I mean, just to have that, evenif you like you you use the word
complain, but people need tovent.
They just need to get it out,right?
It's a support system thatyou've built.
SPEAKER_00 (10:02):
Yes.
I can't pour from my cup insomebody else's cup if if if I'm
not if I'm not at my best.
And so being able to to to ventand get rid of some of that
toxicness helps me be able tohelp the next person.
SPEAKER_01 (10:19):
So let's talk about your message and your role,
because you have other officialtitles.
Um, as we mentioned, presidentof the Ohio Farm Bureau
Foundation.
So let me ask you this, Nathan.
Uh when you talk to otherfarmers out there, those who
aren't in your tight-knit group,how do you encourage other
farmers out there again to toStephanie's question earlier?
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Try to take a little self-careback, bring it back to the farm.
SPEAKER_00 (10:45):
You know, I get a lot of opportunities on my own
to to go around and speak atdifferent, not only farm bureau
events, but uh other farmrelated events.
And I always I always go back toyour your farm is only as good
as you are.
And if you can't, if if you'restruggling, um, your farm's
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struggling.
And it's hard to see thatsometimes.
I know I've got a friend ofmine, he didn't live very close,
he didn't live very far from me,but he called me up, that was
probably five miles from me.
He called me up one day andsaid, Hey, I need your help.
I got hogs at loose, which heraised hogs and had them in his
barn.
I thought it was just was kindof a weird request, you know,
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why if you got hogs out, whyaren't you getting your
neighbor, you know, that's a lotcloser to me.
And and uh so I went over therebecause it just something wasn't
right.
And uh when I got there, he hadalready gotten hogs back in by
that point in time, and so Ihelped him fix the hole where
they got out, and we kind oftalked, and as I pulled in, I
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started looking around the farmand and I I started noticing how
things were out of place, um,things were starting to look
kind of run down, and and so wewe had that conversation.
I I started asking, you know,what's going on?
I said, you know, things thingsaround here don't look the same.
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Of course, he didn't want toadmit it, and you know, we none
of us do.
And so, you know, he tried topush me out the door first
thing, of course.
I s I dug my heels in and said,Brandon, I said, we need to have
a conversation here, because youknow, you're not being your best
at the moment, because I can seeit, because your hogs got out,
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you've got a mess in the barnlot, so what's going on?
And I I tell guys all the timeif you see something like that
to one of your friends, one ofyour neighbors, um, especially
ag professionals, bankers,fertilize um salesmen, i if you
go on to a farm and you seesomething that's out of place,
(12:49):
say something, ask it, andyou're probably gonna get some
pushback.
Uh eventually Brandon startedopening up that day, and I sat
there and listened to him for anhour and a half, and and that
was really, I mean, I helped Ipushed him to get some help
outside of me, but thatconversation we had that day
(13:10):
really opened his eyes that hehad been struggling and
struggling for a while.
Um, and so I again I as I'm outtalking to people, if you n if
you if you're getting stressed,if you're getting short with
your family, if you're gettingshort with your employees, if
you're you know, if you'rehaving bad thoughts, like just
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take a break.
Walk away from it for a littlewhile.
Again, you know, that's it'sit's our livelihoods, it's it's
our lifestyle, so you can'tcompletely get away with it.
But you know, I know I rememberone spring I was having a really
tough day, and I had two orthree things on a plan that
broke down, and I just I justgot reached my bullying point,
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and I knew that I needed to takea break.
And so I called the wife up andI said, Hey, I said, I why don't
we take off this afternoon andgo to a ball game?
And so we load the kids up andwe drove down to Cincinnati and
we took in a a Reds game, andyou know, the next morning I
come back and I was I was readyto go again.
And and you know, the the myvision was clear again because
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it was awful cloudy the afterthe afternoon before.
So and I encourage everybody, ifyou feel if something doesn't
feel right, just take thatbreak.
And to ask for help becauseprofessionals are out there.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (14:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (14:32):
And in and in in the agricultural community, is it
hard for men to feel like oreven the women who are in
involved in the business, is ithard for them to feel like they
can open up and talk tosomebody?
SPEAKER_00 (14:45):
So farmers have always been the ones that
they're the they're theveterinarian, they're the
banker, they're the mechanic,they're they're the fixer of
anything and everything.
Uh if there's bail and want bailand twine and and duct tape, we
can fix it.
Um and and that thought processa lot of times has been pushed
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into the the mental health andand the emotional health side of
us.
Um and so yeah, there is a huge,huge stigma in mental health in
the farming community aroundmental health.
Um good friend of mine wasstruggling there a while back,
and I was, you know, again,pushing him towards going and
(15:32):
and seeking that help.
And he told me, he's like, Well,I can't do that.
And I said, Well, like, I willdrive to your house, I will go
with you, I will hold your hand,like there's nothing to be
scared of, nothing to be ashamedof.
I mean, if if you you have ifyou're having chest pains,
you're gonna go you're gonna gosee the doctor.
(15:54):
Yep.
He's like, he looked at me andhe says, I can't do that though.
I said, What do you mean?
He said I had an oldergeneration person tell me that
now I was the leader of thefamily and that I couldn't break
down.
I had to be strong for the restof them.
And that's true with a lot ofmen, uh and not just in
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agriculture, but especially inagriculture where we are we're
the ones that's supposed to beable to fix everything.
SPEAKER_01 (16:23):
Yeah.
And you're also I I think aboutwhat you mentioned when you
talked about your kids in thebeginning, though, when people
like you, your fellow farmers,your fellow producers, when they
do get that help or take thatbreak, that is modeling other
behavi that's modeling behaviorfor others, for other ag
producers, for kids.
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And that's how stigmas getbroken.
That's how stereotypes getbroken.
SPEAKER_00 (16:49):
That's what I've been working on for a long time
now.
I've, you know, I've seen I'vehad, you know, I've struggled
myself and I've tried to learnthose coping mechanisms how to
how to self-care.
And and, you know, I've hadpoints in my life where I've
needed to go talk toprofessionals.
And and I I've, you know, youget through that scariness of
it, and you're like, oh, well,this isn't no different than
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going to my family doctor,really.
Absolutely.
And uh, you know, and andespecially now as we're raising
kids, we've my wife and I haveboth seen how important mental
health is.
And you know, and both uh in allthree of our kids, we have made
sure that um we were we'reteaching them good coping
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mechanisms and and everything.
So yeah, it's just that thatstigma and it's so hard to get
through.
But there's there's so manyopportunities out there for s
for self-care and andprofessional help if you need
it.
Yeah.
But we just gotta break throughthat stigma.
SPEAKER_01 (17:51):
I've yet to meet anybody who can fill their own
cavity.
You know what I mean?
I mean I y I mean, really, I Isay that in jest, of course, but
again, that's why we haveprofessionals.
That's why we have psychologistsand psychiatrists and licensed
social workers and because weneed them.
And and it and Stephanie and Italk about this all the time.
It's a sign of strength, notweakness.
SPEAKER_02 (18:11):
Exactly.
And having people like you, asScott said, being that role
model for your fellow farmer,for your kids, for your wife or
your family.
You've you've been talking aboutthis for a couple of years now,
um, about speaking the truthabout mental health.
And in fact, that was your guesteditorial that you wrote a
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couple of years ago.
How did that come about?
How did that opportunity presentitself?
And and what has been thereaction to that message and
your continued message that youare trying to reach in the in
your ag community?
SPEAKER_00 (18:46):
I had a really close family friend um who decided
that he was going to end hislife with by suicide, and that
really broke me very hard.
Um he was somebody that I he wasan older gentleman.
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Um had had two boys that hefarmed with.
Um somebody that I had boughtequipment off of and sold
equipment, and I had talked tohim I don't know how many times
and tried to help him throughhis struggles.
And so then when he took hislife, I knew that I had to do
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more.
I had to speak up, and so Istarted writing and and I had an
opportunity to write thatarticle.
And I just want guys to knowthat you're not alone.
I mean, yeah, we're all we'reall competing against each other
for land or whatever, but at theend of the day we're still
fathers, brothers, sisters,husbands, neighbors people count
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on you.
And when you decide that it'snot life's no longer worth
living for you, the heartacheand the the terribleness that
comes to the rest of the familyis is really hard.
Um and I look at that familytoday and the you know, he is
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not better off.
That family is not better offtoday than um they had it pretty
good when he was here, but hecouldn't see that.
And we got to get more guys torealize that there's help out
there to get you through thosedark times.
And you're worth more than yourfarm.
Um we we get wrapped up so muchin because we live it every day.
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It's our identity.
Uh we we feel that if we're notif we don't have our farm
anymore, then we're nothing.
Well, you're way more than yourfarm.
Way, way more than your farm.
And I think we we worry aboutthe future way too much instead
of living in today.
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Um because a lot of I've noticedespecially with the older
generation, a lot of theirworries is what's gonna happen
when I'm gone, what's gonnahappen with the kids.
You have no control over that.
So just enjoy your life.
Enjoy your life with your kids,with your family, with your
friends, with your community,because that's what's most
(21:24):
important.
SPEAKER_01 (21:25):
You talked about those stressors and the the
various jobs that that farmersand ag producers have to take
on.
You yes, you're producers,you're veterinarians, you're
plumbers, you're electricians,you're accountants, you follow
regulations at the local, state,and federal level.
But out of all that is isweather still the number one
(21:48):
stressor?
SPEAKER_00 (21:49):
It's a very big one.
Okay.
It's a very big one.
Um but I wouldn't I wouldn'tnecessarily always uh I think
it's case by case.
Okay.
Um you know, some of it's familyrelationships.
How do I transition between onegeneration to the next
generation?
Uh some people it's publicperception because farmers are
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less than two percent of thepopulation today, and and not
very many people do it, butthere are people that vilify
what we do on a daily basis andsay that we're bad people and
we're poisoning earth, and youknow there's there's a lot of
different stressors.
And to say that weather, I meanweather is by far the most
(22:34):
biggest uncontrollable, but um Iwould say right now with what
we've got going on in politicsis is uh you know another
stressor.
You don't, you know, one day themarket's up, you know, fifty
cents, and then there's a tweetput out, and then markets are
back down fifty cents.
And so it's it's the uncertaintyof what the future is and
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knowing how to position yourselfand plan for the future to be
successful is is about as big astressor too.
So just multiple things.
SPEAKER_02 (23:05):
So how can the Ohio Suicide Prevention Foundation,
how can other organizations suchas the OSU Extension Office, how
can we be champions for the farmcommunity, for farmers like you?
SPEAKER_00 (23:19):
Yeah, I think it's extension and the Ohio Suicide
Prevention Um and a lot of FarmBureau, a lot of the commodity
groups are all starting to takeup the conversation.
I think that's the first step isjust acknowledging that the guys
are struggling and and that weneed we need to talk about it.
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Um and so you know, getting outand and it's hard, and that's
what I've struggled with thelast few years, is how do you
how do you get people in a roomto talk about it?
Because you say I'm gonna have aan event that is focused on
mental health, you're not gonnaget any farmers to show up.
(24:03):
And so, you know, I encourage umall of our groups that are
involved in agriculture in someway or another to partner.
Um and when we have thoseevents, have somebody like
Extension, like you guys come inand and just a 10 or 15 minute
little blurb during the pressthe presentation, I think has
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been um has been a reallyimpactful thing.
Uh that's what that's what kindof I've been doing the last few
years.
I've been invited to severalconferences and and they'll just
put a half an hour little spotin the middle of the conference,
and you know, they've alreadygot the farmers there.
It's not like they're going toturn around and leave.
And so they're kind of kind of acaptive off audience.
(24:49):
But uh, you know, I've had somereally great conversations after
those of people that's just hey,I've been struck one.
Thank you for acknowledging itand and being here and and
letting me know that I'm not theonly one.
And so just just having thoseconversations, partnering up
together and and and trying toget those messages in front of
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as many farmers as we can.
SPEAKER_01 (25:12):
Speaking of great conversations, we know that you
like talking to young people uhabout farming and especially in
your role uh at the Farm BureauFoundation.
Tell us more, tell our audiencemore about the Growing Tomorrow
Grant, Nathan.
SPEAKER_00 (25:26):
So the Growing Tomorrow Grant is uh is a grant
that we've started here in thelast year.
It was actually started by Mikeand Patty Boyart from up in
Medina County, and um they hadkind of the first generation
journey kind of similar to whatmine is, but a little bit
different.
But uh they they really wantthey really have a passion for
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the next generation and helpingpeople get started into into
farming and agriculture.
And so they they started this umthis grant process last year
that will award um up to tworecipients a year a very nice
grant in order for them to helpstart their business and and to
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move their move theiragriculture enterprise um
forward.
And so that's uh it's a reallyawesome thing, really cool thing
that that Mike and Patty havedone.
SPEAKER_02 (26:24):
And that then goes into how we can continue to have
the farming community grow andand hopefully be able to prosper
as well.
And so looking forward to thatnext generation of the of Ohio
farmer.
What are you excited aboutmoving forward in your industry?
SPEAKER_00 (26:48):
Right now I'm excited to for the opportunities
that's gonna come for my kids.
You know, my time actually onthe Ohio Farm Bureau Foundation
and Federation are both comingto an end here in the next uh
next few weeks.
I decided that life at home isis very busy, um, and that I I
(27:09):
want to take the next few yearswhile my kids are still in high
school and and really focus onthem and focus on my farming
operation and trying to tryingto get my farming operation to a
point where that if my kids dowant to come back and work on
the farm full time, that there'san opportunity and there's a
(27:31):
place for them.
Um and I'm okay if they don'twant to come back and farm, um,
but I don't want to be in sixyears scratching my head
thinking they're getting readyto get out of college.
What am I gonna do?
And so as much negativity as ishappening right now in in the
(27:53):
world and agriculture andeverything, I still am excited
for the opportunities to farmwith my family.
I have several passions andtalking about farmer mental
health and and suicideprevention is one of them, um,
along with uh several otherthings.
I don't know that I'm going touh clear walk away from things,
(28:14):
but I I just for the next fewyears I want to focus on a
little bit on myself.
You know, the last couple yearsI've ups and downs and
struggles, and I look at myselfand I've gained some weight and
I've done some not I mean I justI need to make myself healthier
for one.
I need to take something off myplate, and I thought right now
(28:36):
I've had uh I've had greatopportunity with the Ohio Farm
Bureau, but it's time for thatnext person to step up and and
to to do what I was doing thereand and to just see what
happens.
Um I started I helped start thethe Suicide Coalition uh in
Highland County and and then thelast couple years of my farming
(28:58):
stuff's gotten busier and boardmeetings have gotten in the way
of making meetings and stuff.
And uh so hoping to get a littlebit more involved back at the
local level, um, because uhreally at the end of the day
that's where I can make thebiggest impact.
SPEAKER_02 (29:16):
And those coalitions make such a big difference in
their community, so weappreciate all the work that
they're doing in HighlandCounty.
SPEAKER_01 (29:23):
Last thing.
What's the best thing aboutbeing a farmer, Nathan?
SPEAKER_00 (29:26):
The the very first time I was sitting in a combine
shelling corn, I can justpicture the field right now, and
I had both boys sitting in atractor that was they were they
had tractor and grain cart andwas was carton grained to the
semis for me.
That was the best thing.
But just just being my own bossand and the soil, I love the
(29:51):
soil, I love the growing things,including my family.
That's what it's all about.
About seeing the sunrises andsunsets and and getting to enjoy
it with my family.
SPEAKER_02 (30:06):
Nathan Brown, thank you so much for your commitment
to your industry and to mentalhealth as well.
And we thank you for puttingfood on the table here in Ohio
and beyond.
Thank you so much.
And to our listeners as well,thank you.
When you listen to our episodes,you break stigmas, you break
barriers, and you care aboutmental health and saving lives.
(30:30):
This is Voices for SuicidePrevention, brought to you by
the Ohio Suicide PreventionFoundation.
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