May 28, 2025 • 32 mins
What does resilience look like in the face of unthinkable loss? Debbie McClintock found herself navigating that question when she lost both her husband Pete and son Logan to suicide within five months. Rather than letting grief define her story, she chose to honor how they lived.
"Pete had a really big heart," Debbie shares, describing a quiet computer programmer who loved chess and telling corny jokes. Logan, her "wanderer and dreamer," was sharp-witted with aspirations to teach English abroad. Father and son shared a special bond on the Appalachian Trail—a connection that later inspired a remarkable journey toward healing and advocacy.
Through therapy, scholarships, and becoming "trail angels," Debbie celebrated their legacies. A gift from her now-husband, Chip—a license plate honoring Logan’s trail name “Wolverine”—sparked a realization: Ohio had no suicide prevention plate. Within two years, they helped pass legislation signed by Governor Mike DeWine.
Today, Ohio’s first suicide prevention license plate raises awareness for the 988 Crisis Lifeline and supports men’s mental health programs. Call or text 988 anytime for free, confidential support.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome everyone to our May episode of Voices for
Suicide Prevention.
As we like to say, ourconversations here are real talk
, real honest, real life.
I'm Scott Light.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And I'm Stephanie Bucher, communications Director
for Ohio Suicide PreventionFoundation and now your new
podcast co-host.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We need like applause in the background.
I can actually do that withsome sound effects, but won't do
it.
But, stephanie, this isfantastic.
You and I work together all thetime on all kinds of projects,
but now you're coming to thepodcast.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I am and this is such a pleasure.
I'm looking forward tocontinuing to, you know,
highlight all these differentvoices of folks that we have
that are doing some wonderfulwork throughout the state of
Ohio about suicide prevention,and I'm just happy to be able to
lend part of my voice as wellto this.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
But it already sounds like you have a radio voice.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I have a big background in radio.
Excellent, excellent.
Tell our listeners about it alittle bit.
Sure you know, my firstprofessional life was in radio
and television and my very lasttime on radio was in the
Columbus Market on radio with610 WTBN.
I was the morning news anchorand then I went to the other
(01:19):
side of the microphone.
Instead of having the one withall the questions, I was the one
that had to have all theanswers and started in public
and media relations.
Many different places Got mystart with the Ohio Attorney
General's office at that time.
I've worked in many differentlocations and I finally landed
here at Ohio Suicide PreventionFoundation.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It is fantastic and again, you and I work together
on all kinds of projects, soit's great to have another
broadcaster here on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Thank, you, Thank you .
May is Mental Health AwarenessMonth, which, as you can imagine
, means a lot to us here at OSPF.
We have two incredible guestswith us today.
One especially has faced someunfathomable tragedy but, as you
know from this work, so manypeople turn that tragedy into
advocacy, education and impact.
(02:07):
And in fact these guests willbe joining Governor Mike DeWine
to help him debut a new, verypowerful license plate.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
That is huge.
In fact, that's coming up latertoday on, you know, the day
that we're recording thisepisode.
So it is just a pleasure towelcome our two guests, chip and
Debbie McClintock.
Welcome to the podcast.
Thank you for having us.
Thank you, and if we hadcameras here, we'd be able to
show our listeners.
You're all dressed up because,again in a couple of hours,
(02:35):
you're going to get to meet thegovernor and take part in this
fantastic ceremony.
We're going to get to that injust a little bit.
But, if you'd permit us, let'sjump into your personal story
here right out of the gate,debbie, and we certainly want to
begin with you.
We'll go back to 2012.
Your husband then, pete, diedby suicide and then, about five
months later, you lost your son,logan, to suicide.
(02:57):
Would you tell our listenersmore about both Pete and Logan?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I would love to.
Pete was a.
He has a really big heart.
He was a really quiet guy, acomputer programmer by trade.
He loved to tell silly, cornyjokes to the kids, so they still
, to this day, talk about somefunny joke that he had told them
and still stays in their memory.
(03:22):
He was incredibly intelligent,an all-around gifted athlete.
He was a chess player.
He won the Ohio State ChessTournament when he was a senior
in high school.
He loved sports, though lovedsports especially football, and
he did even love the Clevelandteams.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
So had to deal with some heartbreak there for sure,
as all of us Cleveland fans do.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Absolutely.
He took pleasure in the simplethings in life.
He liked to hike, very quiet,reserved kind of guy and he just
loved his family tremendously.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
And what about Logan?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Logan was really sharp-witted, reflective in
nature.
He loved to read.
He loved poetry, loved to write.
He wanted to teach English as asecond language in South Korea
and then eventually moved toChile.
He was also a gifted athlete,loved baseball in particular.
(04:30):
He got that from hisgrandfather.
He was on academic challengetwo times when he was in high
school.
He loved theater.
He was a wanderer and a dreamerAgain.
Love, simplicity,non-materialistic kind of kid
had a lot of hopes and dreams.
So yeah, he was.
They were just wonderfullyloved people.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
You mentioned a wanderer, an adventurer, and
like simple, beautiful things inlife.
That tees up our next question.
Actually, you know, becausefamilies do all kinds of things
together.
Right, they go to ballgames,they go to concerts, maybe they
cook in the kitchen together.
But there was a journey on theAppalachian Trail and boy, you
(05:16):
want to talk about simple,unbelievable beauty there.
They took a trip, pete andLogan did.
Would you tell us about thatjourney?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
there.
They took a trip.
Pete and Logan did.
Would you tell us about thatjourney?
They did so originally in 2002,his dad hiked a big section of
the Appalachian Trail.
They were always northbounders,so they started in Georgia and
went to Maine.
Then he went back.
He never completed it in 2002.
And then he went back in 2005.
And then, when Logan was afreshman in college, he decided
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he was going to through hike theAppalachian Trail.
So he came home, made planswith his dad and on March 27th
of 2007, they started thatjourney from Georgia to Maine.
His dad did not intend tothrough hike it with him at that
point in time, due to wherethings were in our life.
I think they spent about twoweeks together.
(06:14):
He showed him the ropes, gothim going, there were snow,
storms and all sorts of funtales that they brought home,
but it was quite an adventure.
He would Pete would say here'sthe old man and then here's the
young man and they're venturingout together on this trail.
So it was a really greatexperience for the two of them.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I'm wondering so how old would Logan and Pete have
been at that time?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
So he was just a freshman in college, so he had
just turned 19, I believe, andthen his dad was 39.
That's not old.
No no, it's not old, but heconsidered he was going with the
youngster.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, so, very briefly, logan did complete that
in 2007.
It then did prompt his fatherto complete it in 2009.
So they both actually completedthe Appalachian Trail, and but
they did it separately.
They did do it separately,though, yes.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And so all of these stories that they came back that
time, that they were able toshare during that time, and then
we're going to, I guess, fastforward several years from those
those dates two deaths bysuicide in the course of months,
your husband and your son.
You know, I'm sure that youknow everyone is asking how did
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you get through that process?
How did you get through thegrief and being able to keep
going with your life?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I have.
Two other children needed theirmother and I did extensive
therapy.
I went to the Cornerstone ofHope and they have suicide
specific counseling available,so I did a lot of counseling
also early on.
(07:59):
We wanted to honor the way thatthey lived, not the way in
which they ended their lives, sowe established a thousand
dollar scholarship in my son'sname at the high school that he
graduated from in Painesville.
We did trail angeling.
We went back to the trail andtrail angeling is where you take
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things to the trail for hikers.
You have fresh fruit or youmight have soda or beer or
something that's left in acooler.
Oftentimes people will go andstay, so we would go and prepare
brats and really fresh fruitsand vegetables that they can't
get when they're hiking becauseyou have to carry what you're
going to eat in your pack.
So we did that in 2017, um, sowe did that in 2017, 18, 19 and
(08:51):
then again in 22.
It's such a rewardingexperience for us.
We also, um.
Pete loved to play cards, so weannually have a pete c repco gin
tournament that our familyparticipates in to try to honor
his memory and the things thathe loved.
I had jewelry made from Logan'sstone and arrowhead collections
that I gave to friends andfamily.
I had letters written frompeople that I gave to my other
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two children, jordan and Alicia,for their dad's 45th birthday
so they could see the life helived and the person that he was
and hold those memories veryclose.
All of those things have beenso therapeutic for me and my
family and maintaining the lifethat they lived, not the way
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that they ended their lives.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
We so appreciate your openness about all this and
especially about therapy,because we say all the time, in
all of this work to breakstigmas out there we have to
lean into, seeking therapy is asign of strength.
It is a sign of enormousstrength and not some old school
(10:01):
stereotype of if you seektherapy it's a sign of weakness.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
That's absolutely true, and there's no way around
it.
You have to go through it, andI needed the help of a licensed
professional to get me throughthat process.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And the process.
It's not overnight and I thinkpeople think, oh well, they'll
get over it, It'll be fine in afew weeks, a few months, a few
years.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
No, the journey's ever-changing, constantly
changing.
They are forever in my heart.
That doesn't go away.
As we'll find later, certainthings leading up to dates and
things are extremely challenging.
It's the leading up to thingsand things are extremely
challenging.
It's the leading up to things,the anticipation of how it's
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going to be versus the actualday.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And in that process, stephanie, that you mentioned,
the heart keeps expandingbecause the gentleman sitting
right across from you here atour OSPF studio, chip, let's
bring you into the conversation.
So do we have this right thatyou both went to the same high
school but you didn't reallyknow each other?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Well, we knew of each other.
I would see through my facemask this cute little flute
player.
Was it the flute?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Clarinet.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
But no, we knew who each other was, but we didn't
hang out or anything in highschool.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So how'd you guys reconnect?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Well, our high school , madison High School, was in
the football playoffs and afriend of mine, a teammate of
mine, said hey, do you want tocome to the playoff game?
And so we went, and then Debbieand some of our other friends
they all share Novemberbirthdays and, of course, the
(11:59):
high school playoffs often arein November and knowing you now,
I couldn't believe you were ata high school playoff football
game.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
We were just there before we went and had pizza and
celebrated there, you go, thereyou go, yeah, so that's where
we kind of reacquainted.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
And then the whole group of us just went out, like
she said, for pizza and afterthe game.
So it was divine intervention,I don't know.
There you go, there you go, soit was divine intervention I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
There you go, there you go.
So when you reconnected, atwhat point did you share with
Chip about Pete and Logan?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Because he knew Pete from high school.
They had played footballtogether, so he had already been
aware of what had happenedthrough other friends and just
being on Facebook and thosetypes of things.
We had mutual interests.
(12:56):
We both love being outside, weboth love gardening and a whole
slew of other things thatapparently can't think of right
now, and so the more time wespent together, the more things
that I would share.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
And Chip.
Permit me to follow up on that.
There's certainly a bigdifference between seeing
something on Facebook, eventalking to maybe a mutual friend
, but then hearing it fromDebbie, and then you being
really brought into the family.
You're married now.
So what was that like?
Speaker 4 (13:28):
as you learned more of backstories plural for sure
about pete and logan if we speakabout, let's say, logan, um, I
can only, being a father myself,right, I can only imagine what
it must be like, but by no meansdo I know what it's like.
(13:48):
So, as, as deb mentioned, uh,the lead up is often the hardest
part, when she's anticipating,let's say, the anniversary of
logan's um, perhaps his birthday, um, and and even the holidays.
You know those glass housesthat you, they let you in and
(14:13):
they turn a fan on and there'scash flying all over the place
and you grab as much as you canright.
Well, oftentimes on holidays,christmas especially, can be
tough for Deb, jordan and Alicia.
Imagine all those dollar billsare actually like index cards
with feelings written on them.
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Do I want to be happy?
Do I want to be sad?
Do I want to help someone else?
Do I want to be with everyonethat's still with us?
Do I want to curl up on thecouch and watch a movie?
And just this past Mother's Daywas a little tricky for Deb.
She gets two phone callsinstead of three to say happy
(14:58):
Mother's Day and we ponderedwere we going to go to the
cemetery and plant flowersaround?
It was just really hard and, asDeb will say a lot of times she
doesn't know how she's going tofeel until a minute or two
before and the fan shuts off andone of those index cards lands,
(15:20):
and that year it might be,let's be sad, or that year it
might be, let's be sad, or thatyear it might be, let's go to
the cemetery.
So it's my observation as anoutsider is their family
basically went to hell and backtwice in a five-month period.
(15:42):
I can't imagine.
But then again I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
But you're here and you're supportive and I think
that now that you are have beenin.
How long have you two beenmarried?
I guess we haven't reallyestablished that.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
We got married twice, all right.
Right, I love it we got marriedin 2017 for financial reasons,
and then we got married again in2018 in front of our whole
family on the exact same date sowe got married financial and
insurance.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
That's called adulting.
That's called adulting, that'sokay and our kids.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
We told them they.
They said whatever, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
So it's our 8-7 this year.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Our 87th.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Right Year 8 and year 7.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Well, congratulations on that, Thank you.
So, Debbie, with Chip now inthe 8-7 year range and the two
of you working through life andthose different challenges that
come up, what has that supportmeant to you?
Speaker 3 (16:53):
He has seen all the darkness and he's seen the
really, really bad, challengingdays and he's seen the impact
that these tragedies have had onum my children and myself.
And he has not faltered.
He has just been there um allthe time and it hasn't scared
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him away.
Um he always says I'm not goinganywhere, um, and it's just
been I, I it's priceless, I justcan't even.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Hmm, they just had a fist bump across the table and
it kind of made the hair on theback of my neck.
C&d is what we're called.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Well, and we can take your comment, debbie, and again
another springboard from there,because from all of that
support, chip, a few years backyou bought Debbie a specialized
license plate for her toremember Logan.
Why don't you both talk aboutthat experience?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
What's really funny is he surprised me with it.
It was a gift.
The plate actually arrived.
He got it in early November.
It actually arrived on November29th of 2022, which was Logan's
35th birthday.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
And that was not planned.
You're at the mercy of the nail, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
So that in and of itself was a gift.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
We had just gotten a new vehicle and neither one of
us are much for vanity plates,but I thought this would be kind
of cool.
But I thought this would bekind of cool, and so I went into
the license bureau and I hadlooked up to make sure this
plate that I wanted wasavailable, which was AT Wolf,
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which Appalachian Trail is, andLogan's trail name was Wolverine
.
So I was in there and there'sdifferent organizations that you
can buy license plates for, andso I picked the one that was
Trees for Ohio, because Ithought, okay, that's kind of
close to hiking and whatnot.
(18:58):
And then, as I was driving home, I thought, well, there isn't
anything for mental health orsuicide prevention or awareness.
And we chatted that night atdinner and we said, well, heck,
let's see what's involved to getsomething like that in place,
because it wasn't available.
And so that's what kind ofplanted the seed, I guess you'd
(19:21):
say.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
And that was November 2022.
Correct, these folks, stephanie, get things done.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
They are not messing around when C and D get together
.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Be careful.
So that sparked the idea for adifferent specialty license
plate and being able to bededicated for that suicide
prevention.
Did you think 988 at that timetoo?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
We did not.
What's funny about it is 988had just been unveiled, in July
of that year, I believe.
So Chip knows some differentpeople and he had a contact in
this area.
Had a contact in this area acollege and high school
classmate, steve Marks, whoworks for Hannah News, and he's
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the one who actually pointed usin the direction of the Ohio
Suicide Prevention Foundation,and Tony Coder specifically, I
believe.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yes, and actually Casey Weinstein, a
representative in Hudson Ireached out to him and Steve
almost at the same time and,yeah, that was that was Steve
was a big help on pointing ustowards Tony and your group.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah.
So you worked through thesystem of trying to.
You know there were petitionsthat had to be signed.
There were, you know, billsponsors that had to be done.
I mean, basically you had topass a law in essence.
So we went from that idea to abill that was signed earlier
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this year by Governor MikeDeWine, for a new license plate
to spread awareness.
It includes Ohio SuicidePrevention Foundation and 988.
So here we are today, in just afew short years, and now there
is now a license plate, as oftoday, that you can get it from
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the state of Ohio.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Unbelievable really.
What about that journey?
It's been.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I'm just a bill.
I'm only a bill, and I'msitting here on Capitol Hill
School, or schoolhouse.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
That's what we're all thinking about.
That's what our listeners arethinking about right now.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
So we watched it when we were younger.
But as we started the processwith Tony in January and we got
petitions and then it was March,they said, oh well, it's going
to go to the House and it'sgoing to go to the Senate, and
you know, now they're on leaveor on break and it seemed
endless.
And so that song is actuallyvery appropriate, because we
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were hoping that Bill was goingto be whisked off and signed
into law.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
We learned a lot the parliamentary process and there
were times where we felt like wewere twiddling our thumbs.
So we would randomly email Tonyand group in a bunch of other
staff members and they're likejust hang on.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
So we learned an awful lot.
We did.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
So two and a half years, you guys got this done,
debbie.
Was it cathartic?
Was it another kind of layer inthat catharsis, in this whole
process?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
It really was.
There were a lot of tears thatwere shed, particularly driving
to work in the morning for somereason, but I know and I believe
and I feel that the benefitsoutweigh any of that, so it's
been extremely healing for me.
So now the license plate is nowavailable.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
We're going to call it the Ohio Suicide Prevention
Foundation, slash 988.
Again, that is the Suicide andCrisis Lifeline If anyone needs
to call, text or chat withsomeone about any type of crisis
that they may be going throughor any type of help that they
may need to help someone whothey love.
So the money from the plate myunderstanding is that there will
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be, you know, obviouslyspecialty plates cost a little
bit more.
So the money from the some ofthe money will go where.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
So the money is, I'm told, to go to the Ohio Suicide
Prevention Foundation,specifically in a fund named
after my son, logan J Repko, ina fund named after my son, logan
J Rupko, and that will all goback into Ohio communities to
provide training and support forsuicide prevention.
More specifically, the fundshould be earmarked for men's
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mental health.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, so $10 from each of the license plates will
come back to OSPF so that we canhelp back in those communities.
And, as you said, specificallywe want to talk to men and about
, you know, supporting theirmental health, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Once people start buying these plates, obviously
they're going to be out there.
Here's my question what do youthink is going to go through
your mind when you see one on270 or I-70?
I mean, what is that feelinggoing to be like?
Speaker 4 (24:27):
270 or i70.
I mean, what is that feelinggoing to be like?
I can't wait and it's funnythat you asked that, scott,
because just this past weekbuilt leading up to our coming
here um, we've always been.
I have a wall full of licenseplates in my garage.
Okay, like when we sell avehicle.
Um, deb has a fun little maththing she does when she sees a
license plate.
(24:47):
So, anyhow, I'm looking at themall the time and it hit me this
week like wow, wow, because thekey here we need to spread the
word.
I'm amazed how many peoplehaven't really even heard of 988
.
And what do they say?
(25:08):
The old marketing study.
You have to see a logo like 19times or something before it
becomes.
So, hey, if this contributesand yeah, I can't wait to see to
be behind one at a stoplightand it'll be exciting.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
And Chip, you also want people, when they see that
988, you want them to know it'snot just about a crisis or not
just about a mental health issue.
It's about anyone who'sconcerned about someone.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Absolutely.
I actually called it one timemyself because I had an
acquaintance and it was just asituation that I wanted to
address with this person.
But I didn't want to ask it thewrong way, and the person on
the other end was amazing andgave me some tips, some tools
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from my toolbox to broach thistopic.
But what was interesting isthey were adamant.
They would not let me hang upuntil they were comfortable that
I was okay.
Like am I speaking in thirdperson?
So it's not just for folks whomight be in peril, it's for, yes
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, if you have a concern about aloved one, a co-worker, but
that's a whole nother topicbecause oftentimes we don't know
if the person's not feelingwell mentally.
And we can see a broken arm.
We can see Joe Theismann breakhis leg, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
So, yeah, that's the other part of the message that I
hope people understand.
You don't have to be thepatient if you will.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
The other thing too, that we talk about a lot not
just on these episodes, but justoverall about mental health.
It's still something that istalked about in hushed tones.
What is it going to take tojust move the hushed tones aside
and for us to talk about mentalhealth just like we're talking
about anything else, in a loudand proud way?
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Really, I hope I don't sound too much like a
football meathead, but this iskind of our next venture.
I've been around football allmy life.
I played I was actually on thefootball team at Ohio State as a
student manager which is reallyjust a glorified ball boy to
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this one team because they werereally fast.
And so I called some of mycontacts who I knew through my
years and that are coaches, andthe best advice I got from one
coach was you need to stop thespeed before it starts.
In other words, don't let themoutside, don't let them in the
open field, because you willnever catch them.
You know when you, when you,you grow up, you're taught, you
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know you see the dentist twice ayear, get your annual physical,
get your oil changed every 3000 miles.
Well, if we could get and Idon't know where any of this
stands right now but if we canmake part of your annual checkup
also a mental health checkup ata young age, and then hopefully
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we can stop the speed before itstarts.
You know, I have a friend, alandscape friend, out in
Connecticut who's been going toa therapist they started as
little his siblings and we saidwhy, what was wrong and he said
nothing.
And there's still nothing.
Not that there aren't life, butthey were given tools at a
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young age to learn how to,especially today with social
media and bullying.
And so if there's a way that wecan incorporate, you know, six
months you got to go to thedentist, it's your annual
physical and here's, you know,you have your, your eight month
mental health checkup.
And then if you get youngerkids used to therapists, if you
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do need them in the future,they're already used to.
I mean, I've seen, I've seenadults who have never been to
the dentist and they finallyhave a dentist appointment and
they're petrified becausethey're not comfortable with it,
they're not used to it.
So if there's a way we canincorporate a mental health
(29:44):
checkup as well as your physicaland your dentist, and, you know
, hopefully that can stop thespeed before it starts and then
perhaps people are morecomfortable talking about it and
it's not, you know, hush, hush.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
What you're talking about is preventative care
Exactly Really.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
That's what you're talking about.
Is preventative care.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Exactly, really, that's what you're talking about
.
That's a great idea.
That's kind of what we'rethinking.
I sense another law.
I sense something else comingfrom these folks in the next
couple of years here, Stephanie.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Well, I look forward to that, and if there's anything
that we can ever do here at theOhio Suicide Prevention
Foundation, just let us know,because you two are amazing.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
You're awesome and you definitely do set that
example for other people abouthow you can turn that into
advocacy, and I guess at thispoint you know.
Just moving forward, how do wecontinue to support families?
(30:48):
How do we continue to helpfamilies such as you to help
continue to remember, as yousaid, celebrating their life and
not how they ended it?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
The biggest thing for me is continuing to talk about
it.
This particular process hasbeen incredibly healing for me,
but very challenging at the samepoint in time, but I know that
it's going to help somebody.
This helps even one person tonot go through the things that
my family has gone through.
(31:23):
That's a really good day.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
It's probably a good way to end this episode.
I think so too.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I think we can drop the mic on that one, Scott.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
We can Thank you both for joining us today.
To our listeners, thank you aswell.
When you listen to theseepisodes, you break stigmas, you
get out there and breakbarriers.
You obviously care about mentalhealth and saving lives.
This is Voices for SuicidePrevention, brought to you by
the Ohio Suicide PreventionFoundation.
Thank you.
Welcome everyone to our May episode of Voices for
Suicide Prevention.
As we like to say, ourconversations here are real talk
, real honest, real life.
I'm Scott Light.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And I'm Stephanie Bucher, communications Director
for Ohio Suicide PreventionFoundation and now your new
podcast co-host.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We need like applause in the background.
I can actually do that withsome sound effects, but won't do
it.
But, stephanie, this isfantastic.
You and I work together all thetime on all kinds of projects,
but now you're coming to thepodcast.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I am and this is such a pleasure.
I'm looking forward tocontinuing to, you know,
highlight all these differentvoices of folks that we have
that are doing some wonderfulwork throughout the state of
Ohio about suicide prevention,and I'm just happy to be able to
lend part of my voice as wellto this.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
But it already sounds like you have a radio voice.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I have a big background in radio.
Excellent, excellent.
Tell our listeners about it alittle bit.
Sure you know, my firstprofessional life was in radio
and television and my very lasttime on radio was in the
Columbus Market on radio with610 WTBN.
I was the morning news anchorand then I went to the other
(01:19):
side of the microphone.
Instead of having the one withall the questions, I was the one
that had to have all theanswers and started in public
and media relations.
Many different places Got mystart with the Ohio Attorney
General's office at that time.
I've worked in many differentlocations and I finally landed
here at Ohio Suicide PreventionFoundation.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It is fantastic and again, you and I work together
on all kinds of projects, soit's great to have another
broadcaster here on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Thank, you, Thank you .
May is Mental Health AwarenessMonth, which, as you can imagine
, means a lot to us here at OSPF.
We have two incredible guestswith us today.
One especially has faced someunfathomable tragedy but, as you
know from this work, so manypeople turn that tragedy into
advocacy, education and impact.
(02:07):
And in fact these guests willbe joining Governor Mike DeWine
to help him debut a new, verypowerful license plate.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
That is huge.
In fact, that's coming up latertoday on, you know, the day
that we're recording thisepisode.
So it is just a pleasure towelcome our two guests, chip and
Debbie McClintock.
Welcome to the podcast.
Thank you for having us.
Thank you, and if we hadcameras here, we'd be able to
show our listeners.
You're all dressed up because,again in a couple of hours,
(02:35):
you're going to get to meet thegovernor and take part in this
fantastic ceremony.
We're going to get to that injust a little bit.
But, if you'd permit us, let'sjump into your personal story
here right out of the gate,debbie, and we certainly want to
begin with you.
We'll go back to 2012.
Your husband then, pete, diedby suicide and then, about five
months later, you lost your son,logan, to suicide.
(02:57):
Would you tell our listenersmore about both Pete and Logan?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I would love to.
Pete was a.
He has a really big heart.
He was a really quiet guy, acomputer programmer by trade.
He loved to tell silly, cornyjokes to the kids, so they still
, to this day, talk about somefunny joke that he had told them
and still stays in their memory.
(03:22):
He was incredibly intelligent,an all-around gifted athlete.
He was a chess player.
He won the Ohio State ChessTournament when he was a senior
in high school.
He loved sports, though lovedsports especially football, and
he did even love the Clevelandteams.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
So had to deal with some heartbreak there for sure,
as all of us Cleveland fans do.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Absolutely.
He took pleasure in the simplethings in life.
He liked to hike, very quiet,reserved kind of guy and he just
loved his family tremendously.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
And what about Logan?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Logan was really sharp-witted, reflective in
nature.
He loved to read.
He loved poetry, loved to write.
He wanted to teach English as asecond language in South Korea
and then eventually moved toChile.
He was also a gifted athlete,loved baseball in particular.
(04:30):
He got that from hisgrandfather.
He was on academic challengetwo times when he was in high
school.
He loved theater.
He was a wanderer and a dreamerAgain.
Love, simplicity,non-materialistic kind of kid
had a lot of hopes and dreams.
So yeah, he was.
They were just wonderfullyloved people.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
You mentioned a wanderer, an adventurer, and
like simple, beautiful things inlife.
That tees up our next question.
Actually, you know, becausefamilies do all kinds of things
together.
Right, they go to ballgames,they go to concerts, maybe they
cook in the kitchen together.
But there was a journey on theAppalachian Trail and boy, you
(05:16):
want to talk about simple,unbelievable beauty there.
They took a trip, pete andLogan did.
Would you tell us about thatjourney?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
there.
They took a trip.
Pete and Logan did.
Would you tell us about thatjourney?
They did so originally in 2002,his dad hiked a big section of
the Appalachian Trail.
They were always northbounders,so they started in Georgia and
went to Maine.
Then he went back.
He never completed it in 2002.
And then he went back in 2005.
And then, when Logan was afreshman in college, he decided
(05:46):
he was going to through hike theAppalachian Trail.
So he came home, made planswith his dad and on March 27th
of 2007, they started thatjourney from Georgia to Maine.
His dad did not intend tothrough hike it with him at that
point in time, due to wherethings were in our life.
I think they spent about twoweeks together.
(06:14):
He showed him the ropes, gothim going, there were snow,
storms and all sorts of funtales that they brought home,
but it was quite an adventure.
He would Pete would say here'sthe old man and then here's the
young man and they're venturingout together on this trail.
So it was a really greatexperience for the two of them.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I'm wondering so how old would Logan and Pete have
been at that time?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
So he was just a freshman in college, so he had
just turned 19, I believe, andthen his dad was 39.
That's not old.
No no, it's not old, but heconsidered he was going with the
youngster.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, so, very briefly, logan did complete that
in 2007.
It then did prompt his fatherto complete it in 2009.
So they both actually completedthe Appalachian Trail, and but
they did it separately.
They did do it separately,though, yes.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And so all of these stories that they came back that
time, that they were able toshare during that time, and then
we're going to, I guess, fastforward several years from those
those dates two deaths bysuicide in the course of months,
your husband and your son.
You know, I'm sure that youknow everyone is asking how did
(07:28):
you get through that process?
How did you get through thegrief and being able to keep
going with your life?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I have.
Two other children needed theirmother and I did extensive
therapy.
I went to the Cornerstone ofHope and they have suicide
specific counseling available,so I did a lot of counseling
also early on.
(07:59):
We wanted to honor the way thatthey lived, not the way in
which they ended their lives, sowe established a thousand
dollar scholarship in my son'sname at the high school that he
graduated from in Painesville.
We did trail angeling.
We went back to the trail andtrail angeling is where you take
(08:21):
things to the trail for hikers.
You have fresh fruit or youmight have soda or beer or
something that's left in acooler.
Oftentimes people will go andstay, so we would go and prepare
brats and really fresh fruitsand vegetables that they can't
get when they're hiking becauseyou have to carry what you're
going to eat in your pack.
So we did that in 2017, um, sowe did that in 2017, 18, 19 and
(08:51):
then again in 22.
It's such a rewardingexperience for us.
We also, um.
Pete loved to play cards, so weannually have a pete c repco gin
tournament that our familyparticipates in to try to honor
his memory and the things thathe loved.
I had jewelry made from Logan'sstone and arrowhead collections
that I gave to friends andfamily.
I had letters written frompeople that I gave to my other
(09:16):
two children, jordan and Alicia,for their dad's 45th birthday
so they could see the life helived and the person that he was
and hold those memories veryclose.
All of those things have beenso therapeutic for me and my
family and maintaining the lifethat they lived, not the way
(09:38):
that they ended their lives.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
We so appreciate your openness about all this and
especially about therapy,because we say all the time, in
all of this work to breakstigmas out there we have to
lean into, seeking therapy is asign of strength.
It is a sign of enormousstrength and not some old school
(10:01):
stereotype of if you seektherapy it's a sign of weakness.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
That's absolutely true, and there's no way around
it.
You have to go through it, andI needed the help of a licensed
professional to get me throughthat process.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And the process.
It's not overnight and I thinkpeople think, oh well, they'll
get over it, It'll be fine in afew weeks, a few months, a few
years.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
No, the journey's ever-changing, constantly
changing.
They are forever in my heart.
That doesn't go away.
As we'll find later, certainthings leading up to dates and
things are extremely challenging.
It's the leading up to thingsand things are extremely
challenging.
It's the leading up to things,the anticipation of how it's
(10:50):
going to be versus the actualday.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And in that process, stephanie, that you mentioned,
the heart keeps expandingbecause the gentleman sitting
right across from you here atour OSPF studio, chip, let's
bring you into the conversation.
So do we have this right thatyou both went to the same high
school but you didn't reallyknow each other?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Well, we knew of each other.
I would see through my facemask this cute little flute
player.
Was it the flute?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Clarinet.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
But no, we knew who each other was, but we didn't
hang out or anything in highschool.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So how'd you guys reconnect?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Well, our high school , madison High School, was in
the football playoffs and afriend of mine, a teammate of
mine, said hey, do you want tocome to the playoff game?
And so we went, and then Debbieand some of our other friends
they all share Novemberbirthdays and, of course, the
(11:59):
high school playoffs often arein November and knowing you now,
I couldn't believe you were ata high school playoff football
game.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
We were just there before we went and had pizza and
celebrated there, you go, thereyou go, yeah, so that's where
we kind of reacquainted.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
And then the whole group of us just went out, like
she said, for pizza and afterthe game.
So it was divine intervention,I don't know.
There you go, there you go, soit was divine intervention I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
There you go, there you go.
So when you reconnected, atwhat point did you share with
Chip about Pete and Logan?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Because he knew Pete from high school.
They had played footballtogether, so he had already been
aware of what had happenedthrough other friends and just
being on Facebook and thosetypes of things.
We had mutual interests.
(12:56):
We both love being outside, weboth love gardening and a whole
slew of other things thatapparently can't think of right
now, and so the more time wespent together, the more things
that I would share.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
And Chip.
Permit me to follow up on that.
There's certainly a bigdifference between seeing
something on Facebook, eventalking to maybe a mutual friend
, but then hearing it fromDebbie, and then you being
really brought into the family.
You're married now.
So what was that like?
Speaker 4 (13:28):
as you learned more of backstories plural for sure
about pete and logan if we speakabout, let's say, logan, um, I
can only, being a father myself,right, I can only imagine what
it must be like, but by no meansdo I know what it's like.
(13:48):
So, as, as deb mentioned, uh,the lead up is often the hardest
part, when she's anticipating,let's say, the anniversary of
logan's um, perhaps his birthday, um, and and even the holidays.
You know those glass housesthat you, they let you in and
(14:13):
they turn a fan on and there'scash flying all over the place
and you grab as much as you canright.
Well, oftentimes on holidays,christmas especially, can be
tough for Deb, jordan and Alicia.
Imagine all those dollar billsare actually like index cards
with feelings written on them.
(14:34):
Do I want to be happy?
Do I want to be sad?
Do I want to help someone else?
Do I want to be with everyonethat's still with us?
Do I want to curl up on thecouch and watch a movie?
And just this past Mother's Daywas a little tricky for Deb.
She gets two phone callsinstead of three to say happy
(14:58):
Mother's Day and we ponderedwere we going to go to the
cemetery and plant flowersaround?
It was just really hard and, asDeb will say a lot of times she
doesn't know how she's going tofeel until a minute or two
before and the fan shuts off andone of those index cards lands,
(15:20):
and that year it might be,let's be sad, or that year it
might be, let's be sad, or thatyear it might be, let's go to
the cemetery.
So it's my observation as anoutsider is their family
basically went to hell and backtwice in a five-month period.
(15:42):
I can't imagine.
But then again I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
But you're here and you're supportive and I think
that now that you are have beenin.
How long have you two beenmarried?
I guess we haven't reallyestablished that.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
We got married twice, all right.
Right, I love it we got marriedin 2017 for financial reasons,
and then we got married again in2018 in front of our whole
family on the exact same date sowe got married financial and
insurance.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
That's called adulting.
That's called adulting, that'sokay and our kids.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
We told them they.
They said whatever, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
So it's our 8-7 this year.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Our 87th.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Right Year 8 and year 7.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Well, congratulations on that, Thank you.
So, Debbie, with Chip now inthe 8-7 year range and the two
of you working through life andthose different challenges that
come up, what has that supportmeant to you?
Speaker 3 (16:53):
He has seen all the darkness and he's seen the
really, really bad, challengingdays and he's seen the impact
that these tragedies have had onum my children and myself.
And he has not faltered.
He has just been there um allthe time and it hasn't scared
(17:15):
him away.
Um he always says I'm not goinganywhere, um, and it's just
been I, I it's priceless, I justcan't even.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Hmm, they just had a fist bump across the table and
it kind of made the hair on theback of my neck.
C&d is what we're called.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Well, and we can take your comment, debbie, and again
another springboard from there,because from all of that
support, chip, a few years backyou bought Debbie a specialized
license plate for her toremember Logan.
Why don't you both talk aboutthat experience?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
What's really funny is he surprised me with it.
It was a gift.
The plate actually arrived.
He got it in early November.
It actually arrived on November29th of 2022, which was Logan's
35th birthday.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
And that was not planned.
You're at the mercy of the nail, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
So that in and of itself was a gift.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
We had just gotten a new vehicle and neither one of
us are much for vanity plates,but I thought this would be kind
of cool.
But I thought this would bekind of cool, and so I went into
the license bureau and I hadlooked up to make sure this
plate that I wanted wasavailable, which was AT Wolf,
(18:38):
which Appalachian Trail is, andLogan's trail name was Wolverine
.
So I was in there and there'sdifferent organizations that you
can buy license plates for, andso I picked the one that was
Trees for Ohio, because Ithought, okay, that's kind of
close to hiking and whatnot.
(18:58):
And then, as I was driving home, I thought, well, there isn't
anything for mental health orsuicide prevention or awareness.
And we chatted that night atdinner and we said, well, heck,
let's see what's involved to getsomething like that in place,
because it wasn't available.
And so that's what kind ofplanted the seed, I guess you'd
(19:21):
say.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
And that was November 2022.
Correct, these folks, stephanie, get things done.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
They are not messing around when C and D get together
.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Be careful.
So that sparked the idea for adifferent specialty license
plate and being able to bededicated for that suicide
prevention.
Did you think 988 at that timetoo?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
We did not.
What's funny about it is 988had just been unveiled, in July
of that year, I believe.
So Chip knows some differentpeople and he had a contact in
this area.
Had a contact in this area acollege and high school
classmate, steve Marks, whoworks for Hannah News, and he's
(20:18):
the one who actually pointed usin the direction of the Ohio
Suicide Prevention Foundation,and Tony Coder specifically, I
believe.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yes, and actually Casey Weinstein, a
representative in Hudson Ireached out to him and Steve
almost at the same time and,yeah, that was that was Steve
was a big help on pointing ustowards Tony and your group.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah.
So you worked through thesystem of trying to.
You know there were petitionsthat had to be signed.
There were, you know, billsponsors that had to be done.
I mean, basically you had topass a law in essence.
So we went from that idea to abill that was signed earlier
(21:02):
this year by Governor MikeDeWine, for a new license plate
to spread awareness.
It includes Ohio SuicidePrevention Foundation and 988.
So here we are today, in just afew short years, and now there
is now a license plate, as oftoday, that you can get it from
(21:24):
the state of Ohio.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Unbelievable really.
What about that journey?
It's been.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I'm just a bill.
I'm only a bill, and I'msitting here on Capitol Hill
School, or schoolhouse.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
That's what we're all thinking about.
That's what our listeners arethinking about right now.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
So we watched it when we were younger.
But as we started the processwith Tony in January and we got
petitions and then it was March,they said, oh well, it's going
to go to the House and it'sgoing to go to the Senate, and
you know, now they're on leaveor on break and it seemed
endless.
And so that song is actuallyvery appropriate, because we
(22:07):
were hoping that Bill was goingto be whisked off and signed
into law.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
We learned a lot the parliamentary process and there
were times where we felt like wewere twiddling our thumbs.
So we would randomly email Tonyand group in a bunch of other
staff members and they're likejust hang on.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
So we learned an awful lot.
We did.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
So two and a half years, you guys got this done,
debbie.
Was it cathartic?
Was it another kind of layer inthat catharsis, in this whole
process?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
It really was.
There were a lot of tears thatwere shed, particularly driving
to work in the morning for somereason, but I know and I believe
and I feel that the benefitsoutweigh any of that, so it's
been extremely healing for me.
So now the license plate is nowavailable.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
We're going to call it the Ohio Suicide Prevention
Foundation, slash 988.
Again, that is the Suicide andCrisis Lifeline If anyone needs
to call, text or chat withsomeone about any type of crisis
that they may be going throughor any type of help that they
may need to help someone whothey love.
So the money from the plate myunderstanding is that there will
(23:25):
be, you know, obviouslyspecialty plates cost a little
bit more.
So the money from the some ofthe money will go where.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
So the money is, I'm told, to go to the Ohio Suicide
Prevention Foundation,specifically in a fund named
after my son, logan J Repko, ina fund named after my son, logan
J Rupko, and that will all goback into Ohio communities to
provide training and support forsuicide prevention.
More specifically, the fundshould be earmarked for men's
(23:54):
mental health.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, so $10 from each of the license plates will
come back to OSPF so that we canhelp back in those communities.
And, as you said, specificallywe want to talk to men and about
, you know, supporting theirmental health, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Once people start buying these plates, obviously
they're going to be out there.
Here's my question what do youthink is going to go through
your mind when you see one on270 or I-70?
I mean, what is that feelinggoing to be like?
Speaker 4 (24:27):
270 or i70.
I mean, what is that feelinggoing to be like?
I can't wait and it's funnythat you asked that, scott,
because just this past weekbuilt leading up to our coming
here um, we've always been.
I have a wall full of licenseplates in my garage.
Okay, like when we sell avehicle.
Um, deb has a fun little maththing she does when she sees a
license plate.
(24:47):
So, anyhow, I'm looking at themall the time and it hit me this
week like wow, wow, because thekey here we need to spread the
word.
I'm amazed how many peoplehaven't really even heard of 988
.
And what do they say?
(25:08):
The old marketing study.
You have to see a logo like 19times or something before it
becomes.
So, hey, if this contributesand yeah, I can't wait to see to
be behind one at a stoplightand it'll be exciting.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
And Chip, you also want people, when they see that
988, you want them to know it'snot just about a crisis or not
just about a mental health issue.
It's about anyone who'sconcerned about someone.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Absolutely.
I actually called it one timemyself because I had an
acquaintance and it was just asituation that I wanted to
address with this person.
But I didn't want to ask it thewrong way, and the person on
the other end was amazing andgave me some tips, some tools
(26:04):
from my toolbox to broach thistopic.
But what was interesting isthey were adamant.
They would not let me hang upuntil they were comfortable that
I was okay.
Like am I speaking in thirdperson?
So it's not just for folks whomight be in peril, it's for, yes
(26:26):
, if you have a concern about aloved one, a co-worker, but
that's a whole nother topicbecause oftentimes we don't know
if the person's not feelingwell mentally.
And we can see a broken arm.
We can see Joe Theismann breakhis leg, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
So, yeah, that's the other part of the message that I
hope people understand.
You don't have to be thepatient if you will.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
The other thing too, that we talk about a lot not
just on these episodes, but justoverall about mental health.
It's still something that istalked about in hushed tones.
What is it going to take tojust move the hushed tones aside
and for us to talk about mentalhealth just like we're talking
about anything else, in a loudand proud way?
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Really, I hope I don't sound too much like a
football meathead, but this iskind of our next venture.
I've been around football allmy life.
I played I was actually on thefootball team at Ohio State as a
student manager which is reallyjust a glorified ball boy to
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this one team because they werereally fast.
And so I called some of mycontacts who I knew through my
years and that are coaches, andthe best advice I got from one
coach was you need to stop thespeed before it starts.
In other words, don't let themoutside, don't let them in the
open field, because you willnever catch them.
You know when you, when you,you grow up, you're taught, you
(28:11):
know you see the dentist twice ayear, get your annual physical,
get your oil changed every 3000 miles.
Well, if we could get and Idon't know where any of this
stands right now but if we canmake part of your annual checkup
also a mental health checkup ata young age, and then hopefully
(28:36):
we can stop the speed before itstarts.
You know, I have a friend, alandscape friend, out in
Connecticut who's been going toa therapist they started as
little his siblings and we saidwhy, what was wrong and he said
nothing.
And there's still nothing.
Not that there aren't life, butthey were given tools at a
(28:59):
young age to learn how to,especially today with social
media and bullying.
And so if there's a way that wecan incorporate, you know, six
months you got to go to thedentist, it's your annual
physical and here's, you know,you have your, your eight month
mental health checkup.
And then if you get youngerkids used to therapists, if you
(29:22):
do need them in the future,they're already used to.
I mean, I've seen, I've seenadults who have never been to
the dentist and they finallyhave a dentist appointment and
they're petrified becausethey're not comfortable with it,
they're not used to it.
So if there's a way we canincorporate a mental health
(29:44):
checkup as well as your physicaland your dentist, and, you know
, hopefully that can stop thespeed before it starts and then
perhaps people are morecomfortable talking about it and
it's not, you know, hush, hush.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
What you're talking about is preventative care
Exactly Really.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
That's what you're talking about.
Is preventative care.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Exactly, really, that's what you're talking about
.
That's a great idea.
That's kind of what we'rethinking.
I sense another law.
I sense something else comingfrom these folks in the next
couple of years here, Stephanie.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Well, I look forward to that, and if there's anything
that we can ever do here at theOhio Suicide Prevention
Foundation, just let us know,because you two are amazing.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
You're awesome and you definitely do set that
example for other people abouthow you can turn that into
advocacy, and I guess at thispoint you know.
Just moving forward, how do wecontinue to support families?
(30:48):
How do we continue to helpfamilies such as you to help
continue to remember, as yousaid, celebrating their life and
not how they ended it?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
The biggest thing for me is continuing to talk about
it.
This particular process hasbeen incredibly healing for me,
but very challenging at the samepoint in time, but I know that
it's going to help somebody.
This helps even one person tonot go through the things that
my family has gone through.
(31:23):
That's a really good day.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
It's probably a good way to end this episode.
I think so too.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I think we can drop the mic on that one, Scott.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
We can Thank you both for joining us today.
To our listeners, thank you aswell.
When you listen to theseepisodes, you break stigmas, you
get out there and breakbarriers.
You obviously care about mentalhealth and saving lives.
This is Voices for SuicidePrevention, brought to you by
the Ohio Suicide PreventionFoundation.
Thank you.
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