E59 - Rocky Opponents w/Mike Harrington : Borscht and Beets

On this episode we bracket off Rocky Opponents with producer extraordinaire (and sporadic cohost) Mike Harrington from the GaS Digital Network!

Clubber Lang vs. Tommy Gunn
Ivan Drago vs. Apollo Creed

Championship

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the Whack Brackets Podcast,the podcast whose favorite song from the Rocky
Movies is Burning Hard and Not.I've the Tiger. I'm your host,
Mike, and on this episode wewill be bracketing off Rocky opponents with the
producer and occasional co host of theBelieving Me podcast and producer Jordan are over

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at the Gas Digital Networks. Iwould like to bring on Mike Harrington.
How are you doing today, Mike? What's going on? Mike doing great?
Thanks for having me, Bob,Well, thank you, thank you.
You wouldn't tell the people what youdo over at the Gas Digital Networks
and boxing training and all the coolstuff that you're into. I'm mostly just
trying not to get fired. Iwork on Believing Me without a country.

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Gomez watches the Seinfeld you know,and just a few other projects, including
fight Camp, which is, youknow, our fight journal I'm sorry,
where Louis J. Gomez is trainingfirst fight with Jason Ellis and it has
somehow led to me getting free trainingand possibly boxing someone from Barstool Sports next
month, so it should be fun. Well, good luck whipping those guys,
I asked, because they're a lotto deal with. But with that

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said, I'm a big fan ofthe Gas Digitals, all those guys,
obviously Lewis, Big Jay, MikeBisping, the whole mess of them.
Love it. If you haven't checkedout any of the Gas Visual podcasts,
go check them out. They aregreat. And again we are going to
bracket off rocky opponents today, andbefore we do that, if you haven't
checked out the White Brackets podcast,I'm gonna tell you what I do here.

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I'm asking the burning questions you neverknew you wanted answered until we asked
them. We will bring on fellowpodcasters, producers, friends of the show,
etc. Etc. Such as MikeHarrington here and we will rack it
off similar contestants using irreverent, everchanging questions. So, Mike, if
you are ready to go, we'llget started with this thing. Hell yeah,
let's do it, alrighty. Questionnumber one we are going to pit

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Clever Lang versus Tommy Gunn. Andthe question here is which one of these
two is less likely to whip yourass if you publicly pulled an embarrassing prank
on them? What do you think? Okay, I mean this is a
tough one. I M all right, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say

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less likely, Yes, less likelyhe's the winner. Yeah, that's the
way we roll here. Sometimes Idon't like this. I don't like this
one bit because I think that I'lltell you what, we'll flip it.
This is the cool thing about theshow. We can do that. More
likely, let's go with that.Okay, more likely it's got to be
Clever Lang. Dude. Clever Langhas no off switch. He's always looking

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for a fight. He's always lookingdoesn't matter in public. In the ring
wherever Tommy Gunn. The famous linewith him was like you know he does
it in the ring, Tommy Gunnonly does it in the ring, like
you know you you clown on TommyGunn. He's got his don king figure
to like jump in between and stophim from actually retaliating, whereas Clever Lang
is just by himself, living ina shitty and apartment trying to get Adrian

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to come by. You know,well, I will say this, I'm
not sure exactly who I'm gonna gowith, but I'm at least going to
think about both of them here.Clever Lang, let's be honest, straight
up, killed Mickey, and somehowor another, they let this guy continue
boxing. I don't understand that he'sborderline murder, and that's okay. As
far as Tommy Gunn, the thingis about him, like you're saying he

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had his don king figure, Buthow long is that guy gonna hang out
with him after he got beat inthe street by a brain damaged man.
There was no cell phones back then, you know what I mean. So
it's like that was just a wordof mouth thing, kind of like how
you know, Chuck Zito beat theJean Claude Van dam Jean Claude vandam kept
making movies after that. It didn'treally hurt you too bad without the phone
camera on it. So I thinkthat would still get a pass until he

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gets beaten badly in the rain.Okay, I think I'm going to agree
with you on the CLUBB Lane.I'm still a little concerned that. Again,
Tommy Gunn is volatile. Obviously,He's this nice guy at first,
and then next thing you know,he's like he turns his back completely on
Rocky. You spent all this timetraining him, and then at the end
he knows Rocky's got brain problems,and yet he's willing to fight a man

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with brain damage, which seems likeif you're gonna do that, you've got
a weird fuse to begin. Man. That's true, I mean, but
here's the problem, right, TommyGunn, Like all that you're saying kind
of just gives me almost like schoolshooter vibes, you know what I mean.
That like these people took him in, like they tried to do right
by him, and he still isjust like lashing out at them, Like
there's something like genuinely unhinged and alittle scary about that guy. And I

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appreciate where you're coming from with thatClub or Lange, though, is the
one where it's like, dude,just imagine trying to do something where you're
going to embarrass club or Lang,Like that's true, be like you know,
trying to trying to pant Frances andGhanu right now. It's like,
dude, he's taking your head off, period, Like you're not doing that
to the man. So it's like, Tommy, I could see you like

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doing something embarrassing to him and thenhim going home and like stewing on it,
you know what I mean, andlike just really brooding over like what
a piece of shit you are,and like thinking of some Mockavellian way to
get back at your club. Langis the guy who's like, no,
I'm gonna keep like I can runfast than you and longer than you,
So try to run from me.I will catch you and beat the shit
out of you when I do.I think you've talked me into it again

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the school shooter vibe. That's actuallya great point as well as we don't
really know Tommy Gunn's background. Idon't think we do knew no club or
laying was incarcerated for five years.Do we know why he was incarcerated?
I don't know. Five years islike what is five years? I'm gonna
say aggravated assault. Maybe I thinkit was five years is how long he

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was incarcerated for if I recall,But it's been a it's been a minute.
I mean, I'm just trying tothink, like, um, yeah,
I mean aggravated assault is one totwenty years. I mean, you
know, robbery, Like I'm justtrying to think of like one of the
crimes you could do that are likeborderline violent and kind of scary and would
match up with his personality where you'dbe out in five years. Yeah,
that could be anything Yeah, heis. He is a volatile man,

(05:50):
We'll put it that way. So, yeah, Tommy, he's probably he
no backduck Calholm and fuck some moresheep. As far as I'm concerned,
I'm done with Tommy Gunn. I'mglad that he was not pursued in future
Rocky endeavors. Not a character thatwas appreciated in the Rocky series, I'll
put it that way, at leastfrom me. Yeah, I mean I

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for me, at least, itwas one of those things where I was
looking, I was like, damn, where's Mason the line Dixon in this
exactly? You know, like whywhy does Tommy Gunn get the rub?
But I do I understand that,Like it is, it's two very different
types of guys. Like if itwas Clubber versus whatever Tarver's character's name was,
Like, there's no question it's goingto clubber. Tommy, you do
kind of get that, Like,yeah, like you said, willing to

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beat up his former mentor who heknows has you know, Parkinson's or whatever
brain problems he's got. Calling right, you're a real piece of shit.
So I like that. Not agood dude, but more reason to eliminat
him. I don't want to talkabout Tommy Gunn anymore. So even if
I was leaning towards Tommy gun I'mtalking about this bitch. Let's go ahead
and keep Clubber in. So I'mglad we didn't go with less likely.

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Otherwise we'd had to go with TommyGunn. And I do have to say
about Clubber is I am of aparticular age. I remember when mister T
was the fucking biggest thing since slicedbread. This motherfucker had. They had
Mister T cereal, he had hisown cartoon, he was on the A
team every week, just amazing,headlining WrestleMania one. Yeah, I mean
it's that's he really parlayed, justlooking like a badass. And really I

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don't think the mohawk was generally athing, yeah before mister T. T
just kind of made that a thing. Yeah, I don't remember seeing a
mohawk ntil I saw mister T withthe mohawk and I was like, this
is the baddest motherfucker on the planet. That's pretty sweet. So yeah,
club Laying going to go on tothe finals of the Wag Brackets versus,

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of course, one of these twoIvan drago or Apollo Creed. And the
question is here, who flags downthe waiter first when they aren't being served
quickly enough at an Applebee's. Okay, I mean this one, this one
felt too easy, Okay, Okay, So a couple of things to remember
here. Ivan Drago is coming fromSoviet Russia, so it's like the USSR

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where I'm convinced he was eating nothingbut like bortion beats um, you know,
and and and you know, coldstews, and you know, had
never seen something as glamorous as theinside of you know, American just strip
mall Applebee's. So he I genuinelydo think he's gonna be sitting there just
too wowed by the amount of choiceson a menu, like you know,

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you can have all this, there'sno restrictions based on like where we are
in the country, and like thegovernment delivering enough bacon, right, we
can definitely get bacon on this cheeseburgerfor real. Like, I think he
would just sit there, very quiet, very stoic. The other side of
it is that one of these peopleis obviously the more outspoken, the more
brash, the more he is clearlythe talker, where the other one had

(08:48):
his wife and premier or whoever thatguy was doing all his talking for him.
So you know, I don't thinkI think Drago would legit sit there
for like two hours not being servedand just he would expect somebody else to
take care of it for him.I'm at least going to think about this
for a second, because you couldgo one of two ways here, Creed

(09:09):
Apolo Creed. I guess I shouldstate loves a good party, and I
guess it's just going to depend howmany people are there, how many four
dollars beers he can get, whatkind of alcohol he can get from the
bar. If he's got the ladieswith him, of course he's gonna be
hard to talk ladies and go toApplebe's. But it is Apolo Creed,
who's a damn fine good looking manfor Carl Weathers still a good looking man

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into this day, let's be honest, way fine heavyweight champman of the world,
says, Hey, you want togo to Applebee's. You're going to
pull to that booth at Applebee's.What waiter or waitress doesn't want to be
at this party with Apolo Creed WhereDrago is setting there with his woman,
his manager and two words that youhave to consider here, Mike Royd rage.
We know this guy is loaded onthe juice, and he may be

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setting there fine and then all ofa sudden he just SAPs loses all the
shit. Okay, point counterpoint though, what that would come down to,
it would be Drago snapping at hislady and his advisor, like those two
people and just flipping out on themand then going back to being very stone
quiet, And it's their responsibility thento go flag down the waiter, you

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know what I mean? Whereas likeApollo, if he's sitting there, Apollo
Creed is like, I have blessedyour Applebees with my presence, As Apolo
Creed, I brought twenty five peoplehere on a Friday. Why have I
not gotten any sort like? Ifeel like he would interrupt everyone else in
the restaurant's meal to be like,why have I not been asked? You
know what kind of flame grilled steakI'm having? Yeah? Where are the

(10:39):
chicken fries? Man? Yeah?As well as I'm going to even guess
this, Apolo Creed seems like thekind of person that would probably just rent
out the entire Applebees. Yeah,he was gonna go to an Applebees.
You're right, he would, yeah, but it's like, all right,
at that point, that doesn't makeany sense to me, So you're telling
me he's way. He has thisentire apple Bees to himself and the waiters

(11:00):
just aren't coming. Then he wouldbe doubly pissed. He'd be like,
yeah, uche well played. Iwill give you that. I don't see
a world in which Apollo Creed walksinto anywhere and isn't like tipping the waiter
one hundred bucks, like yo,keep the ice cubes cold, you know,
like that's the one hundred like hisstyle. And then just if they

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aren't coming and asking him every threeminute, hey do you need something,
Champ, He's gonna let the waiterknow, like, yo, you're fucking
up right now. Yeah. Ithink the tipping aspect is a part that
I didn't take into this. Yeah, I could see, Yeah, there's
no tipping in the USSR, likethere's very little tipping in all of Europe.
I guarantee there's no tipping in theUSSR. It's not baked into their

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culture, like yeah, and Idon't think the Rubel conversions very good anyway,
So I'd feel like I was gonnafeel entitled, man, you know,
and I was gonna feel like Iam happy to be in America.
And not only that, this isa fight I wanted to see. Anyway.
We've got Club or Lang coming inand I would love to see it
Apollo Club or Laying fight. Oh, trying to think that's the problem with

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that, right, It's like thegreatest of one generation versus the scariest hitter
of another generation. You know.It's like I'm trying to think, like
prime Kane Velasquez versus current Frances andGhano. I don't know. If it
goes that's fun, I like it. Yeah, well we're gonna get to
do it in the in the finalsegment as wage bracket. Now that being
said, you're saying old generation versusnew generation, But forget not. I

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believe it was the end of Rocky. It was the end of Rocky three
where Rocky and Clubber have the exhibitionmatch Rocky Apollos, Oh sorry, Apollo
and Rocky and Creed. In oneof the later Creed movies, Rocky admits
that Apollo Creed beat him, sohe still had he still had it going
in Rocky three. He just wasn'tfighting anymore, right, But I mean

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we're talking about you know, Rockywho made his bones on having the granite
chin. Oh yeah, so it'slike the it's it is a styles make
fights kind of thing. You know, Rocky was never going to hit a
polo hard enough to like rearrange hiswhole face. One movie later, Drago
fights Apollo in an exhibition and Apollogets put out within two rounds, Clubber

(13:09):
laying as hard as they were settinghim up as like the power puncher.
He could have caused some real,real problems for Apollo. I think it
would be interesting to me this mightbe more of a four men Muhammad Ali
comparison, where oh I love it. So yeah, Creed is he dances,
he takes some punishment, he wearsClubber out. Next thing you know,

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he's got the victory, and heis pretty much Muhammad Ali for all
intensive purposes. Hell yeah, wasn'tthat the wasn't the thing? It was
Ali? Chuck Webner was the Rockystory. I think it was was the
Webner fight Ali. I can't remember, Okay, Apparently there was like a
slip for a long time. Itlooked like Webner was the first guy to
knock down Ali Um it was.It was very clearly a slip. Gotcha.

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We will actually put this fight inmotion. We will take clubber Lang
and put him against Apollo Creed onthis final question, and I think this
question is going to be a littlemore interesting than it appears on the surface,
because it is going to be whichone of these two would make a
more interesting ken Burns documentary of theirlife. M Dang, that is tough.

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I mean, first and foremost,the issue I have with it being
a ken Burns documentary specifically is thatit's you gotta fill like seven hours with
this thing, you know what Imean? He just goes comically along with
the length of his documentary, soexactly for me, the only one that
makes sense is Apollo Creed because it'slike, Okay, I understand who would

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make a better thirty for thirty Youcould make the argument it's a Club or
Lang, But for ken Burns documentary, where we got to break down everything
from like where Apollo was like born, what he was raised from, what
his teenage life was like, whathis early successes in boxing were, and
his run to the title was,what his title run was. His eventual

(15:03):
first fight against Rocky the rematch againstRocky, his career as a coach and
an analyst after that Rocky fight,and then eventually, you know, taking
a look at the legacy of hisson, after just carrying on that Creed
name. There's enough in there tofill six seven hours versus you know,
what do we really know about ClubberLanging? The thing about cluber Lang is

(15:26):
we do know. I think moreabout his backstory, at least from what
I understand, then what we knowabout Apollo Creed's backstory. Do we know
much about Apollo before he's in theRocky verse so to speak, I don't.
I really just think it's that hewas the consensus like best boxer on
the planet. Yeah, that's beenmy understanding too. Whereas Clubber, we

(15:46):
do know he had problems as ajuvenile, He had anger issues. He
ended up in prison for five years. This is a whole story in and
of itself. And then Clubber goeson. From what I've read after the
fact, there were some scripts writtenwhere one Clubber was supposed to be an
announcer in Rocky five, and theywrote him out. I'm pretty sure it

(16:07):
was Rocky five. He was supposedto be an announcer for I think it
was Mason Dixon. What's his name? Yeah, oh, that would be
Rocky six. Then oh okay,sorry, yeah, he's supposed to be
an announcer. Yeah, I'm gettingI'm getting confused. I'm getting my Rockies
confused, my Rocky verse here.But also I read somewhere that I think
it was that same script. Ithink it was Rocky six that he was

(16:30):
supposed to go on to become aborn again Christian and go by the name
his given name, James Clubber.Yeah. Interesting. Now whether or not
even shaves off the mohawk or not, I hope to god not because that's
the whole image, right, dude, how much did I nail it?
I just look a club langs Wikipedia. He was sent to prison for five

(16:51):
years for felony aggravated assault bomb right, okay. Durning his time in prison,
discovered boxing is a way to letout a frustration anger released the ends
up Rocky three Okay, so fiveyears in prison, gets out immediately just
starts beating people up. Cool iswhat it is. It's is like,
this is kind of a Derek Lewisstory, which is super interesting. I'll

(17:11):
give you that. But dude,I mean he never won a title,
right, His boxing record was twentynine sorry, twenty eight and one,
but he never he never got tothat place where he was Oh he was
sorry, he was. He wasa very he was very shortly the world
heavyweight champion, took the belt offof Balboa and then lost it back to
him. Did he did he everdefend the belt? Because it's like the

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timeline is he'd lost He won thebelt off Rocky in August of eighty one
and lost it back to Rocky inJuly of eighty two, and then never
had a fight after. Yeah,my guess is as he probably did not
defend the belt between then, it'spossible. I guess this could be.
This could be he beats the shitout of people so fast. Situation,
he takes no damage and just makesa lot of money. It reminds me

(17:56):
a little bit too much of RazorRuddick. Okay, you know what I
mean, Like the guy who comesup like one of the hardest hitters of
all time. You know, avery interesting and dynamic style, has like
gains the public's attention, takes itabsolutely takes it too. Tyson. The
first time that they fought you know, and then the second time he comes
out gets obliterated and his career isreally never the same after. Yeah,

(18:18):
that's interesting for about an hour ifyou're doing a thirty for thirty on him,
Like I said, you have myundivided attention, right seven hours out
of that, it's a little tough. Whereas I actually do want to know
what it was like growing up forApollo creed in I'm assuming middle of the
country, right, Like I putthat Ali backstory on him, So I

(18:38):
put his birthplace somewhere in like Missourior Kansas or something, and give him
like that whole you know, likewhat it was like growing up during the
very tal end of segregation in theSouth, you know. I mean we're
thinking, like the first rocking movie'sout, What seventy eight sounds about,
right, seventy seven seventy eight,I would say, somewhere in the neighborhood.
So it's like he went through hisdeveloping an adolescent years in a very

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different time in a very different partof the country, I'm assuming than where
you know, most of these moviestake place. So it's like there's a
lot of meat on that bone anywayyou slice it, you know, it's
like, and that documentary is goingto be interesting anyway that you bring it
about versus somebody like laying where it'slike, all right, he yeah,
James was his name. So youknow Clubber James Laning, he you know,

(19:23):
had a rough past in Chicago,ended up with a you know,
aggravated assault, five years in jail. You could maybe talk to his jailhouse
cohorts, but it's like, howwould you even stack a seven hour,
six hour dock on him? Yeah, I guess it depends on how much
of the backstory you can get fromit the jail situation. Of course,

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you get to a point most ofthe time, this is probably a rash
assumption here. Most of the time, if you're incarcerated, it wasn't the
first thing you did that got youincarcerated. Sure, But like you said,
I think I'm more interested in Clubber'sbackstory. I'm more interested in the
hard upbringing, the prison et cetera, et cetera of the Derrick Lewis.

(20:04):
As you said, that's an interestingstory. I think the thing that converted
me to Apollo here because I wasgoing to come in with CLUBB. But
when you mentioned the title reign etcetera, the analyst, he had a
lot more. The only thing Iwould say is that, particularly with Apollo's
career, he died young. Okay, I'll give you that, But how

(20:27):
young was he forty three? Ithink was he that young? Uh?
Yeah, forty three, you're correct, okay, um okay. Born in
Los Angeles in nineteen forty two.Oh okay, that's interesting. Forty eight
fights, forty six wins, fortysix wins. Yeah, one loss,

(20:48):
the one loss to create Yeah.I mean, I don't know there there's
you have. So you have overten more boxing bouts in there. You
have the death in the ring againstwhich is huge, and you have the
legacy of his son's Yeah. Soboth of those things are are massive.
You have his wife who was likesteadfast and by his side. You have

(21:11):
Duke like his time as a trainertraining Rocky for you know, the fight
against Clubber. You know, Ifeel like there is there's just so much
more in there where it's like,you know, Apollo has a has a
very interesting story and it's like Clubberas far as I'm concerned, he lost
that bout to Rocky and then disappeared. He just went off into the Sunset,
like Tommy Hearns like went off toItaly and started, you know,

(21:33):
filming B movies and you know,retired with his wife in Brockton, Massachusetts.
Like I don't know who knows,you don't know, I don't know,
but that that would make a hellof a ken Burns documentary if he
did run off to Mexico and startedfilming like spaghetti westerns. Maybe, but
I don't know. Would it makea better or thirty would it make a
better ken Burns documentary than like,you know, we're doing a full hour

(21:56):
on his prep for the Drago fight, why he took a Drago fight,
his wife in tears, you know, twenty years later saying I begged him
not to take the fight, breakingdown Rocky's decision to throw in the towel
or not, dude, having Rockyon camera talking to ken Burns about what
was going through his head, Dukelooking at the camera being like, I

(22:17):
still never forgave Rocky for not throwingin that towel, Like there's so much
there, dude, And and ofcourse ken Burns would there would be some
letter my lovely wife Ivan Drago wouldbe smirched. My honor, I must
take this fight. I know thatI am in danger. I'm no,
I'm not in the best shape ofmy life, but I feel like I
must stand up not only for myselfbut for America. Yeah, okay,

(22:41):
you've persuaded me, you got me, you got me. I'll go with
the Polo Creed then, Yeah,I actually had it originally that Apolo Creed
was gonna be the thirty for thirty. It's a but I think the more
you've more you've given men all wouldmake the better thirty for thirty than Cluver
I did originally. Okay, maybeagain, I think I'm agreeing with you
here. Now is that we doknow a little more again about Clubber's backstory,

(23:06):
because I think that makes him theviolent individual he is, where we
don't know as much about Creed's backstory. Maybe his backstory is equally interesting,
We're just not aware of it.Yeah, and I think, well,
I think what makes it thirty forthirty interesting is the it's often the guys
who don't win in thirty for thirty, like those are the best thirty for
thirties, Like Broke. The storyof the USFL was super interesting. This

(23:27):
is the XFL was super interesting.The best who never was the Marcus de
pre Yeah, Like, there's somany of those stories that work really well
as thirty for thirties Because thirty forthirty was initially the concept behind the project.
Well, Bill Simmons has was like, Yeah, there's so many events
that happened in the last thirty yearsthat we didn't get to fully cover because

(23:49):
we didn't we history typically only remembersthe winners somebody like clubber Lang, where
it was such a brief title runand it was such like a meteor rise
and then you know, fade offinto nothingness that would get lost in history,
where I think thirty for thirty wouldhave a really thirty for thirty would

(24:10):
shine like a light on that onsomething that had been lost, Versus Apollo
Creed, who in that universe I'msure is still considered to this day either
one A or one B next toRocky, you know, for his run
before Rocky and after Rocky, Sodoing that deep dive on him I think
makes the most sense. Yeah,we need like a Rocky whatever number they

(24:30):
are on nine or ten now whereBoxing's in the ship can and some YouTube
like the Paul Brothers is trying topull it, back out and save it.
It's interesting. I feel like theissue I have is that Creed still
lives in a world like the movieis, in a world where boxing is
as popular, you know, eighteenas it was in nineteen eighty eight.

(24:51):
Right, it would be super roughfor me to picture like Michael B.
Jordan his character going and fighting likeyou know, some punk fucking YouTube,
you know, Like that would stinkin my mind, like let him,
let him keep fighting, let himfight Clever Lang's kid, Like who cares?
Right? Tell me that wouldn't besick? And bring back mister t
for a cameo. Everyone wins,everybody wins there. Just please don't bring

(25:15):
back Tommy Gunn. It's not evenpossible for starters. But I guess we
could bring back his child, Sogo it is what it is. That's
some motherfucker. We're all getting there. But with that said, I believe
we agree. No arguments. Actually, Mike brought in a lot of great

(25:36):
points, well versed on Rocky.I appreciate your knowledge because it's been a
Watsons. I've seen a lot ofthese, so it was a little more
difficult for me. But with thatsaid, Apollo Creed wins the rocky opponent
whack bracket, and before we go, I will let THEE M. Harrington
tell you where you can reach himon all his social media platforms and good
stuff like that. Yeah, pleasecome argue this with me. This is

(26:00):
like what I love to do.It's my favorite thing ever. So you
can catch me on Twitter and Instagramat them, Harrington. Yeah, just
shoot me a tweet over there andtell me why. You know. Ivan
Drago would for sure throw a stinkin an Applebee's. I can't wait to
hear this, trying to think hima favorite restaurant to see Ivan Drago in
in the wild Applebeas would be upthere. But see him at like a
shake Shack, I don't know.No, it would definitely be like a

(26:22):
Dick's Last Resort, you know,like the one where the where the waiters
are all assholes to you. Ohyeah, you with any of those places?
Oh yeah definitely, But like,yeah, just having a waiter tell
him like yeah, go go,you know, just cursing out somebody like
Drago and just having Drago have todeal with that would be so fun for
me. Yeah, I'd love tosee him in a Hooters because he's all

(26:45):
business. Oh I like that,Yeah, especially because like he was married
to Brigitte Nielsen's character, right right, not going anywhere in America without her.
So it's like just have him likeneeding to stay ten and two,
like just looking at his chicken wings, not trying to like, you know,
talk to any like you know,just fat ass Latina chicks who he
just doesn't have at home in Russia. Oh, it's lovely, that's so

(27:07):
fun. Yeah, they don't makeasses in Russia like they do and Latin
America will just put it that way. That's the thing. So with all
that said, thank you Mike forbeing a guest, and we have another
episode to record. It's gonna befun. We won't spoil that one for
you. You just have to waitfor it. But until then, I
will say see you later and we'lllet Mike say goodbye. Thanks Mike Hull, y'all,