November 9, 2023 • 51 mins
Unlock the transformative potential of money with our insightful conversation featuring Judy Wilkins-Smith, a leading authority on family patterns and systemic constellations. We embark on a captivating journey to understand the profound links between genealogy, money, and success. Judy sheds new light on Genealogy 3.0, unraveling how multi-generational events shape our financial destinies and how we can alter these patterns to attain financial liberation.
We delve deep into the psychology of money, unraveling how early interactions and familial attitudes can significantly shape our outlook on wealth and success. Have you ever paused to realize that setting financial goals and prioritizing self-care can pave the way to monetary success? Together with Judy, we discuss the invaluable lessons of wealth and debunk the common misconceptions clouding our perspectives on affluence.
The path to financial success often meanders through the terrains of failure and commitment. Judy shares her wisdom on mastering the mindset of money, asserting the power of positive thoughts, self-belief, clear intention, and commitment. Learn to tune into the signals money sends you and understand how to harness this energy for your financial abundance. Join us for this enlightening exploration into the world of money, and get ready to unlock the doors to financial success.
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Douglas James Cottrell (00:43):
Hello everybody.
This is your host, DouglasJames Cottrell.
I'm here with my guest and goodfriend, Judy Wilkins-Smith.
Judy is a world-renowned familypatterns, systemic work and
constellations expert.
She's the author, motivationalspeaker and founder of System
Dynamics for Individuals andOrganizations.
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Welcome back to the show, Judy.
It's a pleasure to have youagain back on our show.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (01:09):
It is such fun to be with you again.
Douglas James Cottrell (01:11):
Tell us what's coming up and all about
what's going on in the Disneyworld.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (01:16):
So what's coming up is a lot about
genealogy.
Genealogy 3.0.
So genealogy 1.0 everybodyunderstands where they belong,
in other words, where in thefamily tree am I?
In genealogy 2.0, I say topeople, if you haven't done it,
go spitting a bottle and findout where you come from and what
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were the big events around inyour family system all the way
back, because those big eventsare what start to create the
patterns that becomemulti-generational patterns that
then, of course, echo all theway down to you and Douglas.
Of course you'll have pickedthis up in the work you do.
When we look at something likehealth, you can see it quite
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clearly and that pattern keepsechoing it until somebody
chooses to change it.
So genealogy 3.0, then, is alittle bit of what I'm going to
be doing at Disney.
You bring what you know andthen you say to me hey, here's
where I'm stuck.
I seem to fail here, I can'tget past this.
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And we sit together and we lookat the history of of what
you're bringing, and then we weidentify the parts of the
pattern that you're strugglingwith and then we choose live
representatives.
And because you're now seeingwhat you've got in your mind in
front of you you're seeing it in3D, you're hearing it, you're
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seeing it, you're walking in it.
So you're literally moving in a3D living pattern that you've
taken outside and put in frontof you, which means you're
engaging multiple senses, andthat that's what then generates
that aha moment, because youstart to realize where it came
from, what wants to stop, what'strying to start through you as
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your new purpose, and why theone needed the other.
And so you, the brain, startsto rewire, and so does the body,
and, as you know, we're quitecapable of doing that.
So that's, broadly speaking.
If we then get to November, I'mdoing money DNA because, as I
said to somebody this morning,we're great spellcasters and
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spell buyers and we don'trealize that.
I say, oh, douglas, you'relooking really annoyed.
And you go, yeah, and you canfeel it, you just bought the
spell I sold.
And we have the same thing withmoney.
We get told oh, you're no goodwith money, I know, you're a
great genius with money, I know.
And so we buy those spells.
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So when they come to me inNovember, it's what is your
money DNA?
Where did it come from, how didit begin, what's it doing to
you and for you right now, andhow do we reframe that so that
you create new money DNA and, ofcourse, new emotional DNA?
Douglas James Cottrell (04:09):
Well, I think that's one of the
universal secrets, if I can callit that.
Maybe a cover-up is a betterway of describing it, because
there is so much unknown and yetsome people seem to make
fortunes effortlessly.
I know that's true, but it seemsthat way, and so it makes
perfect sense that if youuncover what's holding you back
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and then you can give somebody,let's say, a direction or a path
, and they follow it, then theymust be more successful, because
where they are right nowthey're not satisfied.
They're looking for somedirection, and if you can give
it to them and they take thesteps, then I would think they
ought to be a Disney world.
Listen to you real fast.
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You know like this makesperfect sense.
Everybody says I haven't gotenough money, or why is somebody
else so rich and I'm not, orwhatever.
But that's the spell.
I guess you, as you're calling,it's a spell.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (05:06):
It's also the multi-generational trance
and the multi-generationalpattern.
You've heard them in yourfamily say we all struggle.
In your family.
You've heard them say it's loveor money, it's relationships or
money, it's ethics or money.
That's not true.
Money is an and it is not anall.
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It's also not a commodity.
It is a living, breathing forceand it interacts with you the
way you interact with it thatmakes perfect sense.
Douglas James Cottrell (05:39):
I know if you're not happy where you
are, then number one, if you'rea thinking person to be wise is
to say whatever I've done and ithasn't worked.
I need somebody like Judy totell me what to do.
So this idea of money, dna andthe idea that your family or the
family attitude is sabotagingyour own success makes perfect
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sense.
I'm the black sheep of myfamily and I never believed that
you had to work harder to makemore money.
I came to the idea you had towork smarter to make more money.
I had to work.
I had an author here to saidmoney does grow on trees.
That the lady was in Turkey andit was kind of a play on words,
but she had to work very, veryhard to to make her fortune.
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But the idea is that shechanged.
Everybody comes to that pointthat you're talking about.
There's that aha moment.
There's that oh my god.
There's that hallelujah.
It's like I got it.
Where do you start when peoplelike me come and say, judy, help
what I do is I say, yay, I.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (06:45):
When somebody says I'm stuck, I go
congratulations.
And they go what?
And I say, yes, you're tellingme you've officially outgrown
your small box, you don't wantto be there anymore.
So what we're going to do iswe're going to look at your
small box and then we're goingto see how you get out of that
box.
I love what you said aboutbeing the black sheep of the
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family.
No, you're not.
You're the way.
Show it, because guess what'sgoing to happen.
They look at you and they gowell, god didn't smite him with
a piece of two by four.
Maybe we should try some ofthat.
So you're just the way.
Show you.
You stepped.
People always say, oh, I gotkicked out of the family.
No, you didn't.
You got evicted up, you got tomove ahead of the system.
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But the system will catch upbecause you've shown what more
is possible.
And that's the other thing.
We've been taught that money isa sin.
It's not.
It's a wise friend, it's amentor, it's very much wanted.
When you have a lot, you canshare a lot, you can do a lot.
People would say, well, I giveaway.
I give away and I say, well, isyour cup full.
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If your cup is full, give.
If your cup is not, concentrateon your own cup first, because
when your cup is full, you willgive, you will share, you will
encourage.
But don't give from scarcity,don't live in scarcity and don't
think it and people say, well,just changing your mind's not
going to do anything.
Yes, it does, because if you'reborn with the idea that money
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is a sin or you're taught thatit's love or money, it doesn't
matter what's happening.
You can't see it because youhave just that narrow lens.
In fact, my one of my favoritesI don't think I told this on
your last one, but stop me, if Idid I had a situation where
money couldn't have gotten nearme if it tried.
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Or when I went through a certainperiod of life and I went to
casino and I had to, I had mylittle thing of coins and I had
the other person's jar of coins.
And in my family the saying isethics and honor before anything
.
You've got to be honorable,you've got to be honest.
Then you look around and yousee what you could do.
So I took three coins and I putthem into into those slot and I
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hit the jackpot.
And then I realized, oops, Itook it out of the other
person's job.
I mistake.
Now anyone else would have justtaken those three coins from
that and put not me.
I went to it was mymother-in-law and I gave her the
jackpot and I said to her Imade a mistake, I took them out
of yours so I guess it belongsto you.
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And she took it and everybodysaid to me oh, she's awful.
And I said no, she didn't haveproblems with money.
I did.
Money could not hear me if ittried.
Douglas James Cottrell (09:35):
Wow, you know the moral question.
There is like, okay, you tookthe money out of my jar, you
made this money, you keep it.
I'll keep my $3.00, a, b well,I'll split it with you, or C.
She said thank you very much,walked away.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (09:52):
She said thank you very much and walked
away.
I had a bit of a sore heart butI really realized that I was in
a hole with money.
I wasn't talking to it, Icouldn't be friends with it, I
didn't know what to do about it.
And then I went for a moneywalk and on the walk I suddenly
remembered that as a littleteeny, tiny kid my mom had
always planted cannolillies andI'd harvested the seeds.
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It was great fun for me becauseI figured the more seeds I had
and gave to her, the morecannolillies we could grow.
So I had an association withmoney already, but I'd forgotten
and I had to reestablish thatand really make a clear
connection with it.
Douglas James Cottrell (10:33):
You have to know what your feelings are
about money.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (10:35):
Exactly your thoughts, your feelings and
your behaviors or actions.
So we explore those.
What are your thoughts, whatare your feelings, what are your
actions?
When did those first start foryou?
When did you become aware ofmoney?
What were you doing at the timein your life?
What did it mean for you?
What did you make it mean aboutyou?
What did you make it mean aboutothers?
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Because that's become yourdominant pattern now.
Douglas James Cottrell (11:01):
A man I love very much, a relative, when
he would have a windfall ofmoney meaning something he
worked very hard at paid off andhe'd have a lot of money.
He had three or four peopleworking for them.
He would give them bonuses andat the end of giving them
bonuses he ended up with, ofcourse, not very much money.
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He was the owner of the company.
He should have kept all themoney and maybe given somebody a
5% or 10% bonus, but I thinkthe feeling is he wanted
everybody to feel good, becauseeverybody was struggling with
money, and he wanted them tofeel good, but at the sacrifice
of him giving away the rewardsof his efforts.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (11:44):
Exactly I do not deserve.
There's an underlying sentencethat says I feel guilty if I
hold on to it.
I do not deserve to be wealthy,and so of course, money says
okay, if you don't, you don't,and it will act that way around
you.
So with someone like that, Iwould say to him where does that
come from?
When did you first startfeeling that way?
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Who else in the family has thispattern?
And a question I would ask ofhim would be so who in your
family may have made money offthe backs of others that you are
now returning?
Douglas James Cottrell (12:22):
Good karma point.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (12:24):
Yeah, and we see this.
We see this a lot inmulti-generation.
Like you have somebody whomakes the money off the backs of
others, you'll see one of twopatterns the unhealthy one,
which is what you've described,or the healthy one, which says
you know what, I'm going to doit differently, I will pay it
forward, which is the wiser one.
Everybody will get some and Iwill get some, so nobody is
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excluded.
Douglas James Cottrell (12:50):
This emotional feeling towards money.
It's multi-generational.
You learn from your observationas a child.
People look at people are verywealthy and they admire them and
they go and they associate withpeople very wealthy and I think
success rubs off.
So they must be having a newassociation with money at that
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point.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (13:13):
Exactly.
That's exactly what they'redoing.
So one of the ways that you'llsee it is you watch your mother
and father struggle and struggleand struggle and you go I am
not doing that.
I will go and get a goodeducation or I'm going to get a
good job, but I am not going tostruggle like that.
You've already gone, it startedthe switch and then you go I am
going to and you start workingtowards a goal.
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Money loves the goals because itloves to have a place to flow
to and in fact, during thatNovember event, I have a very
specific gift or piece thatpeople will receive that's going
to teach them to give money agoal.
You start that switch and thenyou go I'm going to do this and
this.
Then you begin to realize thereare other people ahead of you
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who have done very well in theirlives, and so you do go and
associate with that, becausethey have a very different
mindset, they have verydifferent thoughts and very
different feelings and verydifferent behaviors and they
will say things to.
I've had people say to me youneed to learn to be rich and
I've gone?
What?
And they go.
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Yes, it is a mindset and it is away of being, which I've really
had to embrace and learn,because we otherwise keep
ourselves stuck in the minorleagues and then we think it's
everybody else's fault, it's us.
So it's learning how tograduate yourself to the major
leagues.
And guess what?
The world really likes it.
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The big things that have beendone in the world have all
needed money.
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Douglas James Cottrell (16:04):
So just before the break, we were
talking about money and howpeople need to know how to make
money, to be educated, to learnhow to be rich.
One of the things that a manonce said to me was you never
get rich giving money away.
That was a wake-up call to me,because we want to always help,
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but I think there's lessons tolearn on how to help as well.
As you said, fill your cup up,because, again, you can't get
rich giving money away if youhaven't made it yourself yet.
So one of the attitudes aboutpaying back that comes later.
You can always help later inyour life or when you make it
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like Warren Buffett.
He didn't give money away mostof his life or is very stingy,
but then he retired and he gaveaway billions.
Exactly that's how to do it.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (16:59):
Exactly so we could say he was stingy.
Or we could say this man knewwhat he was doing, he had a go,
he kept accumulating and then hewent.
Now I can make a difference.
Douglas James Cottrell (17:10):
He knew.
That's one of the lessons aboutlearning how to be rich is to
go and talk to somebody likeyourself and find out where are
the weaknesses of my character,what don't I know, what do I
need to know, and then find outabout how people who had great
wealth, how they act and youwere right when you said they
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act differently, verydifferently.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (17:36):
Yes, they do .
They don't have the same fearsas we do.
They've put those down.
They won't say that they don'thave other fears, but they don't
have the same fears.
They have a little bit more.
Go get it.
They've learned that money isnot the enemy.
That's one of the biggestthings.
They've also learned that moneyis a relationship.
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And you said earlier on, it'sabout looking at the weaknesses
in your character.
It's more like a gap analysis.
So what don't I have that Icould really use?
What do I have that I couldmaximize?
Where did that come from?
In my family?
Because if you've got that inyour family, it'll keep echoing
through until somebody changesit.
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But they have to give it itsplace.
You cannot exclude the pattern.
You use the pattern as wisdom.
So if everybody was reallyscared in the family, they were
all scared around money.
You actually acknowledge thefear that lives in the family
and then you bring the opposite,which is security or happiness.
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But it needed the one to seethe other.
So it's really about buildinggood, strong money steps and
understanding that flow comesfrom somewhere.
Money isn't evil.
It's never been evil.
It comes from source.
It's what we do with it, butit's what we do with anything
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and what would we like to dowith it?
And it's climbing out fromunder the little mushroom that
says you should?
What?
What is that lovely?
One Lesson or the poor?
Well, yes, we could take that alittle too literally.
Blessed also are the wealthy.
Somebody said to me the otherday you know what?
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I have this beautiful newartifact that I bought.
It's expensive and I feelguilty.
And I looked at them and I saidexpensive things need to be
loved too.
Douglas James Cottrell (19:32):
I found that there is that attitude out
there, where people are, youknow, they feel undeserving,
perhaps, or they have the fearof well, if I get something,
somebody's going to take it awayfrom me.
And we talked to some timepreviously where the fear of
success is.
You know, I have to pay taxes,oh my God, you know somebody's
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going to take the money awayfrom me, oh my God.
And it's like, well, would yourather be rich and happy or poor
and happy?
You could be either, but whatwould you rather be?
Well, I'd rather be rich.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (20:07):
Many people would say I'd rather be poor,
because that's what God said.
God didn't say that.
I think God sits up there andgoes.
Who wrote this stuff?
Yes, so I gave you a brain, Igave you the capability.
What are you doing?
Douglas James Cottrell (20:23):
I like to describe it this way, Judy is
that when you're thirsty, youcan go down to the ocean and
take as much water as you like.
God provides the water.
And when you get there, Goddoesn't care if you come with a
teacup full to get water or atanker truck, it doesn't matter.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (20:39):
Exactly.
In fact, I think God goes yes,somebody with a little bit of
chutzpah.
We're actually moving people.
Speak to this person, they'reopen, Speak to their brain.
We have so much that we'recapable of and we've pulled
ourselves down into the smallerversions.
Why, why?
Douglas James Cottrell (20:59):
It makes perfect sense.
I'm listening here and I'mgoing through my mind, of course
, what's happened in my lifepeople that I've counseled over
the years and I'm listening andI can almost hear the
conversations where people havehad these difficulties, where
they don't know or they haveassumptions, and they just make
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things up and it's like, well,would you make assumptions about
the grocery store, that theydon't have good food there or
there's not enough food for me,or they don't have what I want?
No, you would go there and findout and so, listening to you
checking off the boxes, so tospeak, as I asked you before,
when somebody comes in front ofyou, whether they're rich or
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poor, they have some blanks orsomething to be filled in.
And I asked you how did youfind that out?
And you sort of have delineatedthat and said these are some of
the things that happen.
But as people in the audienceare listening here and they
ought to get your book you havesome wonderful books that's
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decoding your emotionalblueprint.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (22:09):
That's the one.
Decoding your emotionalblueprint is the new one.
Douglas James Cottrell (22:12):
What's the newest event?
It's in November.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (22:14):
The newest event is the money DNA one, and
that that is the one that reallylooks at the myths that we have
around money and says not sofast.
I love what you said aboutassumptions, because assumptions
are dreadful little beasts.
They really are.
I have had people in fact, Ihad a client recently who has
been on this planet for aboutthe last six decades and based
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their entire life on oneassumption and when we
challenged it I said please goand ask this.
They came back and said I don'tknow what to do now because I
was completely wrong.
I made an assumption that'sthat I've been unhappy with and
I've been small with my wholelife, and it was never true.
Don't make assumptions.
Douglas James Cottrell (22:59):
Yes, and when you have, when you make
mistakes.
I always say mistakes arestepping stones to success.
When you lose money or you'vemade a mistake, what would you
say to people about getting overthat guilt or beating
themselves up?
Judy Wilkins-Smith (23:18):
I would say good, so you're feeling guilty
about losing money.
Who else in the family lostmoney and how guilty did they
feel?
Well, great uncle son, so goodYou're repeating great uncle son
and you're going to feel guiltyso that your kids can feel
guilty.
Or what can you learn from thisthat you can turn around and
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make even more with, Because thechoice is yours you can steer
in the guilt or you can turn itaround and make something
remarkable.
I mean, if you look at manysuccessful people, what they did
was they failed up over andover.
They kept failing up.
They failed, they learned, theygot up.
They failed, they learned, theygot up.
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And eventually and money knowsthis and success knows this If
you're committed, you will getthere, you will get there.
But what happens is people go.
Well, I tried that once.
Okay, good luck.
How was that for you?
Because that's not how it works.
Douglas James Cottrell (24:16):
I've heard that so many times.
I tried that once.
It never worked.
So try it again, you learn.
No, I don't want to do that.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (24:24):
No, you've got to commit to it.
If you don't commit to a way oflife, you know what Life is
going to have its way with you.
Douglas James Cottrell (24:33):
This is so true.
You're very wise, Judy, and youknow what you're.
When they're listening to it, Ican see them nodding their
heads.
Of course, of course, of course.
But get up off the couch right,Put it to work.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (24:46):
Get up off the couch, put it to work, start
doing things like giving moneygoals and really concentrating
on that I mean November andfigure out what you're going to
do.
That's going to start showingyou how to give those goals,
because, yes, we do it in 3D soyou can see it, hear it, feel it
.
For someone like you, it wouldprobably you'd go crazy because
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you'd bemulti-sensorializationing all
over the place.
You'd be picking it up fromeverywhere.
But the lovely thing aboutmoney is it really does talk to
you and it works with you.
And I know on the odd occasionand I've said well, never mind
the money, I can, I can justabout hear the visible pop.
On the other end of that, themoney goes oh really, never mind
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me, fine, I'll just come backwhen you're good and ready, and
I go uh-oh, reorienting,reorienting, rerouting, stop.
Douglas James Cottrell (25:41):
Again, money has no emotional
attachment at all.
It goes where it goes.
You have to learn how to grabit and break it into yourself.
You have to hang on reallytight to it, otherwise, because
it's energy, it just goes back.
And so these are major lessonsthat you only learn by
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experience or by going to seeJudy in November and finding out
all about these amazing things.
Listen, it's kind of like it'sgreat to see you, it's good to
listen to you, it's good to havethis event, but really this is,
in my opinion, an investment inthe person's own success.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (26:22):
Couldn't stated better it is.
And people don't invest inthemselves.
They think that's cliche.
It is not cliche.
Until you do invest in yourselfas the most important being in
your world, you're going nowhere.
Douglas James Cottrell (26:38):
That's true.
You need a mentor, you need away shower, you need some
instruction, you need some trialand error, you need belief in
yourself.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (26:47):
And total commitment.
Douglas James Cottrell (26:49):
Total commitment.
That's right.
That's one of the things.
Let's talk about that, becausethis is a thing that people
don't understand.
Commitment is laser focused.
It's step by step, and howwould you describe the
commitment that people need?
Judy Wilkins-Smith (27:06):
So I'm going to tell you first that people
understand commitment.
They just don't know that theyunderstand it.
Let me explain.
I look at something.
I go oh you're so stupid, howcould you do that?
You knew that was an idioticthing to do.
You're such an idiot.
I'm totally committed to thatand I know how to do that one.
It's called trash talkingcommitment and we all know how
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to do that.
We keep beating ourselves andtelling ourselves how bad we are
.
We don't watch horror movies,but we do tell horror stories
about ourselves and believe themall day long.
So we're pretty committed.
What we haven't been taught tocommit to is I can do this.
I can figure it out.
I'm going to do X, yeah, butbut, but, but, but, but, but no,
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no, I'm still doing X, andwe're able to do that.
If you decide you're going onvacation, it doesn't matter if
anybody tells you you're not,you're going on vacation.
Money is absolutely nodifferent.
The only difference is we'vebeen taught that money is tricky
.
It's not.
You've got to have a clear mind.
You've got to have a clearintention and you don't deviate.
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And if you do deviate, get up,start again.
You're at a new starting point.
Keep going, but that commitmentto doing that rather than buying
cigarettes, a magazine.
If you give yourself solidgoals and they excite you
because they must excite you, ifthey excite you enough, they'll
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pull you past all of yourexcuses for sitting on the couch
and you'll go all the way toyour goal and before you know it
you'll actually be sittinggoing.
I did that.
And then you get this kind offunny little tickle that hovers
somewhere between the throat andsolar plexus and you go I
really did that and the brainstarts to light up and now
you're building the winnereffect.
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And if you do it once, you'lldo it again and again.
And suddenly that becomes a way.
Then you start to say well, mythinking is different.
I'm not thinking about oh, Ican't get that bunch of bananas
at the store because that's 34cents.
You're going.
Thank you, beautiful bananas,I've got the money.
Here we go and the thinkingstarts to change, and then that
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keeps growing.
We are evolving human beings,and that includes with money.
Money is a means of evolution.
Douglas James Cottrell (29:26):
That poverty thinking that you're
talking about well, I can'tafford the bananas, or well,
I'll need the money for the pay,the bills, and I'll buy my soup
lunch later, that's.
That's comes from guilt.
I don't know where itoriginates, but it probably goes
back to a relative in thefamily of oh, we have to save
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for the rainy day, we have to.
Oh, my God, we're not going tohave enough.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (29:52):
That's it, or the Great Depression.
You have an event that sparksthat.
So take the Great Depressionand you'll have had two sets of
people one who said hold on toeverything because we don't know
what we've got tomorrow, andthe others who would have looked
and said there's opportunityhere, what can we do?
And that's what's going to makeand break in the pandemic.
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Same thing I saw lots of peopleget wiped out.
I saw other people go.
You know what?
I looked at that and I thoughtthis is the time for me to make
the change.
Douglas James Cottrell (30:23):
Yeah, a wise man a long time ago said I
was a young man and where I haveasked him, he was successful,
reasonably so.
And I said so how do you getrich?
And he said, douglas, there'smoney all over the ground.
All you have to learn is how tobend over and pick it up.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (30:45):
That's it.
That's it.
And learn the energy of money.
Because people go, moneydoesn't have an energy, it does.
I'm as grateful when I pick upa penny in the parking lot as I
am when I get a check.
I'm so excited because I knowthat money is playing with me.
Somebody takes me out to dinnerand I go thank you and then I
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go thanks, because money isplaying with me.
I go to be able to give a giftand money and I went and did
something together, so I'm veryaware that money will play with
me.
Douglas James Cottrell (31:18):
Well, that's a that's a wonderful way
to do it.
I was in New York City talkingto a lady who's a Fifth Avenue
successful person and she saysmoney just comes to me all the
time.
And she was very wealthy andher family and I was, of course,
should have been your New Yorkbusiness woman.
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And we're walking across thestreet from the restaurant going
back to her office and there onthe on the road were bright,
shiny, shiny pennies about 100of them.
How they got there, I don'tknow what.
They were brand new pennies.
She was in high heels and avery tight business skirt or
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suit.
She almost kneeled down andpicked them all up.
I have helped.
I, of course, helped.
Nobody else would have beenbeneath me, walking by.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (32:11):
I mean I'm like that lady, I will pick that
penny up and I'm so excited itmade my day.
Douglas James Cottrell (32:17):
Well, we were just talking about that
before head and she said you see, what I mean was making her day
, but here's icing on the cake.
We took a little few more stepson the sidewalk and there was
$20 on the on the sidewalk.
She bent over and picked thatup and she says you see, douglas
, the angels are taking care ofme.
I never forgot that and I dothis.
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I see a penny or 10 centswalking through an airport Pick
it up.
I believe that's a message fromthe divide, you know, so I'm
glad to do it.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (32:49):
It really is .
And I said I'll tell you astory that I don't always tell.
I went for a money walk.
After I'd hit the wall withmoney, I went outside and I went
OK, god, I need to talk tomoney and I'm waiting to get
smacked on the back of the headand nothing happened.
So I go OK.
So I start talking and prettysoon I'm remembering as a kid
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how I did do well with money andthen how things got sticky when
I started to listen to otherthings and we were, we'd moved
here and it was really tight andI said to money, I'd like to be
friends again.
I'd really like to be friends.
I started talking and on theway back I picked up a $1, $5,
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$10, $20, $50 and 100.
Douglas James Cottrell (33:37):
I've never heard anybody say money, I
want to be your friend, andthen for that to come to you
like that money must come foryears.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (33:49):
It has is an .
I made it after that.
I made a very clear promisethat I would teach people about
it, because everybody had notsuch or not everybody, many
people had not good ideas aboutmoney.
And money is a wonderful mentor, it is a wise friend, it is a
good lesson giver, it's a greatcompanion and it is it's a great
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gift giver.
Douglas James Cottrell (34:16):
Well, I'm listening to and I'm
agreeing.
You know you ask, ask and youshall receive.
You know you have to go andknock on doors and seek and make
that prayer come true.
But talking to money, does thatnot take away all the fear?
You know all your family sayingyou can't have, you don't
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deserve it.
Who do you think you are?
You know all the things thatyour siblings might become
jealous of if you're successfulyour friends, which does happen,
unfortunately, when peoplesuccessful.
But as you learn these things,Money is your friend.
And then what are you expecting?
Friendly money coming to youall the time.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (35:03):
Exactly, I notice if I go with money it
it'll break.
But the minute I breathe outwith it, there we go and then
you can very much feel it.
You can feel money around andpeople will go how you think
about when you've been given abonus, think about when you have
a check.
You can feel it.
Douglas James Cottrell (35:24):
When you do that, that puts in play all
those law, manifestation, law ofattraction, being a magnet for
money, things all those clicheswe've heard all over.
But I think you've hit the nailon the head and I think you're
going to educate people whenyou're decoding your emotional
blueprint in your book, but alsohow this money DNA works.
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I mean, I've learned from youin the interview we did last
time and this time that I havesome Apprehensions about money,
or I may have some concerns withmoney that you know, you don't,
you don't think about, butthey're there and then when
somebody goes and attend your,your event at Disney World in
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November, it's going to be awake-up call, I think, and I
encourage everybody listening tothis interview to Go to your
website and find out how theycan buy tickets and how can they
do that, by the way, judy, they, if they go to Judy Wilkins,
hyphen, smithcom, the event islisted there and all they've got
to do is register and Be at theevent.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (36:38):
And I think the other thing, when I listen
to you saying I have concernsabout money, what you have is
you have an adventure in waiting.
It's not a concern, it's only.
It's something that's going hey, hey and it's trying to get
your attention.
Once you give it your attentionand you look at it, you then
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begin to figure out.
So what do I want this to looklike?
Not, oh, my goodness, what do Iwant this to look like?
What do I need to do for thisto look this way?
How do I need to feel and, bythe way, if you use elevated
emotions with money, it worksreally well how do I need to
feel?
And and what do I need tocomplete?
What goal do I need to givemoney?
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So that I don't have anyapprehensions around it.
We're good, we're good, we'resecure, we're happy.
And then what do I want to do?
Because I will tell you thatthe next adventure After
security is how do I share, howdo I teach, what do we do
together?
It's a grand adventure and it'sa big adventure.
Douglas James Cottrell (37:42):
Well, I agree with that.
And learning how to, learninghow to go the distance, as you
just put out there, step by stepAgain back to Warren Buffett is
like keep all your moneyworking, it's yours, and then at
that point, when you want togive back to the world, you'll
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have plenty of Extra to giveback.
But not to be concerned now.
Not to be concerned what peopleare going to say oh look.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (38:14):
People are going to say.
What people are going to say.
I got that one a long time ago.
All of the greats, all of thegreat prophets, are great
prophets with lots of Criticism,and if they couldn't get it
right to have everybody likethem?
I'm not wasting the time either.
I'm not.
I will teach people what it isthat they need to do, because
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there are very clear money stepsfor each person, and I'm happy
to teach them to do that andtake it to the max.
Warren Buffett has anotherthing.
He has money working its ownthing at this point, because
that money is now making money,is now making money, is now
making money.
So of course, he's not going topull it out.
He can pull out pieces, but youdon't want to break the engine
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that's working so beautifully.
You want that to keep reachingpeople, which is what he's doing
.
It's what Bill Gates does too.
They've learned.
Get money to where money can bejoyful in your presence and
then keep flowing, becausethere's a lot of adventure you
can create with that.
Douglas James Cottrell (39:14):
I, when I was a kid actually, I had a
penny jar and I found as long asI kept putting punny pennies in
it, it seemed to grow.
It's what.
I took the pennies out and andDid something you know by
chocolate bars did.
It didn't happen, but as longas I was, you know, feeding the
jar, I Even as a child I'mtalking under 10.
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I was amazed at how moneyseemed to be.
Absolutely.
That was amazing.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (39:45):
So it grows and then you've got to put it in
a place where it can grow andyou can keep flowing into it so
it can grow bigger and biggerand then you can you can use
what it is that you want.
I've always said one day I wanta great big wine vat and then I
want to put all the money thatI find Into that wine vat.
I'll tell you the other thingthat I I do now is I write down.
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I have a journal and I don'ttypically use journals, but I
actually have a journal and Ihave an envelope in the journal.
Every day I write down notgratitude, I write down what
went right and Then in myenvelope anytime I get
unexpected money, it goes inthere.
I don't touch it at the end ofthe year I want to see how much
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unexpected money money broughtme.
Douglas James Cottrell (40:37):
Well, I like you will be.
Yes, I, I've been visiting thiswine vat which is gigantic, and
I was going to say he didn'tsay piggy bank, you said wine
that Think big.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (40:55):
Yes, that is the other thing that we do with
money is we don't think big.
You've got to learn to thinkbig, even if that takes you
steps.
You've got to learn to thinkbeyond your current limitations,
which means saving it, growingit, investing it, reinvesting it
, being wise with it.
So you've got to be a wisesteward of money.
(41:16):
Money likes that, and With thatyou've also not got to just
save it, you've got to put it indifferent spaces.
My dad taught me that when Iwas a little kid said here are
five envelopes this in this,this in this, this in this, this
in this and you never borrowfrom this one for this one.
So when it comes to vacationsor when it comes to whatever it
is, I go to that envelope and itcomes out of only that envelope
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and I'm always reallypleasantly surprised at the
amount that's in there.
I'm like this is awesome.
I just keep putting it in.
Then, when I need to, I use it,and the trick for many people
is oh no, well, I don't want touse it now.
Ah, ah, ah, you put it intothere for use for that.
A vacation is not a silly thing.
A vacation means you're goingto go and get some experience
(42:02):
and find new ways for money toflow.
So don't short yourself whenyou have a wish either.
It's a reward to yourself,money, money is also a reward to
self.
It teaches you to bedisciplined, to have direction,
to have goals, to build a winnereffect, to be kind, to be
generous.
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It teaches you so much.
Money is not just a coin.
Douglas James Cottrell (42:28):
Money is not static.
Money goes, goes, and if youdon't know how to hang on to it,
it will leave you really fast.
So Learn how to hang on to ittoo.
But of course that goes withthe same thinking.
If if you're learning how toAttract money and get money for
all the various purposes, I'mgoing to do this.
(42:48):
I'm going to start talking tomy bank account.
I'll start talking to myInvestment account.
Up here we have a tax-freesavings account.
We love money in there.
I'm going to say, okay, I wantyou to grow, that's it.
Yeah, I'm gonna.
I'm gonna take that advice andI learned that from you today.
I mean I pray and, but I'malways like someday the money
(43:13):
will come, or I know this ispart of the DNA, someday the
money will come and or or youknow, like out of the ether.
I mean okay, and it does come,sometimes a surprise, but
talking to it, I guess whathasten its arrival?
Judy Wilkins-Smith (43:32):
It would someday, it can be someday
forever.
Douglas James Cottrell (43:36):
True.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (43:37):
It's really okay to say, okay, money, come
on in, come on in, let's talk.
There's a lot that I want to do.
Here's what I want toaccomplish.
Here's where we could start.
Let's have a look at what we'redoing together.
I.
Douglas James Cottrell (43:50):
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break.
We'll be right back with moreof this amazing woman who is
going to make you rich bygetting you to talk to money.
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Douglas James Cottrell (45:32):
And welcome back everyone.
I'm talking to JudyWilkins-Smith about money, dna
and how you, my friends, shouldtake the trip in November that
would be November, I believeit's the 5th to the 8th at the
World Facility and take in this,I guess I could say this
(45:56):
life-changing event.
I'm sure when people come outof there they're going to be
like oh my God, I didn't realizethat.
Now I know what to do.
So tell us a little bit more aswe wind up, to show a little
bit about what people can expectwhen they get there, other than
life-changing, amazing things.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (46:18):
Actually a whole lot of it.
I did it at Disney Worldbecause it's a bit of a stretch
to go to Disney World and I didit at the Beach Club for the
same reason.
But there's a whole lot ofmagic and if you're going to
start with a whole lot of magic,you want to start somewhere
like Disney World with someonelike Walt and Roy, because there
was a Roy.
If there wasn't a Roy, wewouldn't have had Disney World,
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because Walt didn't have a clueabout money, he just had a clue
about making magic.
Roy was the one who knew whatto do with the money, to keep it
kind of humming and moving.
And so what we do is we workhard during the day from about
nine until four.
Then you get about half an hourand then you get to go play in
the parks and really look atwhat you've learned during the
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day and how you see it in action.
At Disney World, who has made afortune because of happiness
and because of magic, so youcould see money, happiness and
magic all belong.
Now, when you're with me, whatyou will experience is everybody
gets a chance to do a piece ofwork, whether it's in group or
(47:25):
individually.
I do some of the individual andI have facilitators with me and
so everybody gets a chance tolook at their piece and you're
going to see that money is goingto pop up for you in the most
unexpected ways and in the mostunexpected places.
And you're going to look atyour history with money and your
(47:46):
future with money and logicallyand doably see how to get from
where you are to where it is youwant to be.
And then, as I say to people,if you commit and if you put it
into practice I have a number ofpeople who have attended my
money DNA before who are nowsaying my commitment got me
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seven figures.
So some people absolutelycommit and get it right, but
whatever happens, you willchange your money outlook.
Douglas James Cottrell (48:18):
You know , I can't see why not.
That would be a foregoneconclusion.
Even if they got 10% of whatyou have to say, their life is
going to get better, 100%.
I mean some of the things thatare.
People are nodding their head,and we also have heard that
before, but what you're going todo is isolate that point or
(48:41):
points that people can actuallyachieve what they want to
achieve.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (48:46):
Absolutely.
I think.
The other piece for them toknow, though, is it's not just
me talking.
They're going to be interactingand doing, and people who look
for those aha moments whereeverything changes, those aha
moments are right there.
We have a lot of those thathappen for a lot of people.
Most people will walk away withit at the minimum, quite an aha
(49:10):
.
So many people will walk awaywith a switch, a flip switch.
Douglas James Cottrell (49:15):
And a lot of confirmation what they
were thinking.
Anyway, you've laid it out.
Okay, it makes sense and I wasalways going to add to that.
When they get to those points,can they come back and see you
again, or do you offercounseling for counseling for
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them?
You know, carrying, carryingbeyond that moment, that date.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (49:42):
People who want to see me can get a hold of
me via the website, and they do.
What I've found that'sinteresting, though, is the way
that I teach people become moreof the captains of their own
ship, so they need less of mearound, because they suddenly
realize they are the adventure,not me.
But yes, I'm always availableif people want to follow up,
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they want to come and talk to meabout it, if they want to talk
to me before it.
I've just finished teaching amoney course for the publishing
company that I'm with as well,and people are well aware that
money is not just money.
It is a whole adventure.
It is an adventure.
Douglas James Cottrell (50:26):
It's been a pleasure having you here.
Judy Wilkins Smith, renownedfamily patterns systemic worker
and constellations expert,author, motivational speaker,
motivated us today and founderof system dynamics for
individuals and organizations.
Thank you, judy, for being heretoday.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (50:46):
Such a pleasure.
Douglas James Cottrell (50:48):
I've really enjoyed it.
I really have.
Until next time, remember, thejourney doesn't stop here.
It's just the beginning.
We wish you well Until nexttime.
May I wish you peace andprosperity.
By the way, on behalf of Judyand I, we want to wish you a
little magic for today.
That's Judy's magic words.
Take care, my friends.
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Douglas James Cottrell (00:43):
Hello everybody.
This is your host, DouglasJames Cottrell.
I'm here with my guest and goodfriend, Judy Wilkins-Smith.
Judy is a world-renowned familypatterns, systemic work and
constellations expert.
She's the author, motivationalspeaker and founder of System
Dynamics for Individuals andOrganizations.
(01:04):
Welcome back to the show, Judy.
It's a pleasure to have youagain back on our show.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (01:09):
It is such fun to be with you again.
Douglas James Cottrell (01:11):
Tell us what's coming up and all about
what's going on in the Disneyworld.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (01:16):
So what's coming up is a lot about
genealogy.
Genealogy 3.0.
So genealogy 1.0 everybodyunderstands where they belong,
in other words, where in thefamily tree am I?
In genealogy 2.0, I say topeople, if you haven't done it,
go spitting a bottle and findout where you come from and what
(01:37):
were the big events around inyour family system all the way
back, because those big eventsare what start to create the
patterns that becomemulti-generational patterns that
then, of course, echo all theway down to you and Douglas.
Of course you'll have pickedthis up in the work you do.
When we look at something likehealth, you can see it quite
(02:00):
clearly and that pattern keepsechoing it until somebody
chooses to change it.
So genealogy 3.0, then, is alittle bit of what I'm going to
be doing at Disney.
You bring what you know andthen you say to me hey, here's
where I'm stuck.
I seem to fail here, I can'tget past this.
(02:20):
And we sit together and we lookat the history of of what
you're bringing, and then we weidentify the parts of the
pattern that you're strugglingwith and then we choose live
representatives.
And because you're now seeingwhat you've got in your mind in
front of you you're seeing it in3D, you're hearing it, you're
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seeing it, you're walking in it.
So you're literally moving in a3D living pattern that you've
taken outside and put in frontof you, which means you're
engaging multiple senses, andthat that's what then generates
that aha moment, because youstart to realize where it came
from, what wants to stop, what'strying to start through you as
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your new purpose, and why theone needed the other.
And so you, the brain, startsto rewire, and so does the body,
and, as you know, we're quitecapable of doing that.
So that's, broadly speaking.
If we then get to November, I'mdoing money DNA because, as I
said to somebody this morning,we're great spellcasters and
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spell buyers and we don'trealize that.
I say, oh, douglas, you'relooking really annoyed.
And you go, yeah, and you canfeel it, you just bought the
spell I sold.
And we have the same thing withmoney.
We get told oh, you're no goodwith money, I know, you're a
great genius with money, I know.
And so we buy those spells.
(03:49):
So when they come to me inNovember, it's what is your
money DNA?
Where did it come from, how didit begin, what's it doing to
you and for you right now, andhow do we reframe that so that
you create new money DNA and, ofcourse, new emotional DNA?
Douglas James Cottrell (04:09):
Well, I think that's one of the
universal secrets, if I can callit that.
Maybe a cover-up is a betterway of describing it, because
there is so much unknown and yetsome people seem to make
fortunes effortlessly.
I know that's true, but it seemsthat way, and so it makes
perfect sense that if youuncover what's holding you back
(04:32):
and then you can give somebody,let's say, a direction or a path
, and they follow it, then theymust be more successful, because
where they are right nowthey're not satisfied.
They're looking for somedirection, and if you can give
it to them and they take thesteps, then I would think they
ought to be a Disney world.
Listen to you real fast.
(04:53):
You know like this makesperfect sense.
Everybody says I haven't gotenough money, or why is somebody
else so rich and I'm not, orwhatever.
But that's the spell.
I guess you, as you're calling,it's a spell.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (05:06):
It's also the multi-generational trance
and the multi-generationalpattern.
You've heard them in yourfamily say we all struggle.
In your family.
You've heard them say it's loveor money, it's relationships or
money, it's ethics or money.
That's not true.
Money is an and it is not anall.
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It's also not a commodity.
It is a living, breathing forceand it interacts with you the
way you interact with it thatmakes perfect sense.
Douglas James Cottrell (05:39):
I know if you're not happy where you
are, then number one, if you'rea thinking person to be wise is
to say whatever I've done and ithasn't worked.
I need somebody like Judy totell me what to do.
So this idea of money, dna andthe idea that your family or the
family attitude is sabotagingyour own success makes perfect
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sense.
I'm the black sheep of myfamily and I never believed that
you had to work harder to makemore money.
I came to the idea you had towork smarter to make more money.
I had to work.
I had an author here to saidmoney does grow on trees.
That the lady was in Turkey andit was kind of a play on words,
but she had to work very, veryhard to to make her fortune.
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But the idea is that shechanged.
Everybody comes to that pointthat you're talking about.
There's that aha moment.
There's that oh my god.
There's that hallelujah.
It's like I got it.
Where do you start when peoplelike me come and say, judy, help
what I do is I say, yay, I.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (06:45):
When somebody says I'm stuck, I go
congratulations.
And they go what?
And I say, yes, you're tellingme you've officially outgrown
your small box, you don't wantto be there anymore.
So what we're going to do iswe're going to look at your
small box and then we're goingto see how you get out of that
box.
I love what you said aboutbeing the black sheep of the
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family.
No, you're not.
You're the way.
Show it, because guess what'sgoing to happen.
They look at you and they gowell, god didn't smite him with
a piece of two by four.
Maybe we should try some ofthat.
So you're just the way.
Show you.
You stepped.
People always say, oh, I gotkicked out of the family.
No, you didn't.
You got evicted up, you got tomove ahead of the system.
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But the system will catch upbecause you've shown what more
is possible.
And that's the other thing.
We've been taught that money isa sin.
It's not.
It's a wise friend, it's amentor, it's very much wanted.
When you have a lot, you canshare a lot, you can do a lot.
People would say, well, I giveaway.
I give away and I say, well, isyour cup full.
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If your cup is full, give.
If your cup is not, concentrateon your own cup first, because
when your cup is full, you willgive, you will share, you will
encourage.
But don't give from scarcity,don't live in scarcity and don't
think it and people say, well,just changing your mind's not
going to do anything.
Yes, it does, because if you'reborn with the idea that money
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is a sin or you're taught thatit's love or money, it doesn't
matter what's happening.
You can't see it because youhave just that narrow lens.
In fact, my one of my favoritesI don't think I told this on
your last one, but stop me, if Idid I had a situation where
money couldn't have gotten nearme if it tried.
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Or when I went through a certainperiod of life and I went to
casino and I had to, I had mylittle thing of coins and I had
the other person's jar of coins.
And in my family the saying isethics and honor before anything
.
You've got to be honorable,you've got to be honest.
Then you look around and yousee what you could do.
So I took three coins and I putthem into into those slot and I
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hit the jackpot.
And then I realized, oops, Itook it out of the other
person's job.
I mistake.
Now anyone else would have justtaken those three coins from
that and put not me.
I went to it was mymother-in-law and I gave her the
jackpot and I said to her Imade a mistake, I took them out
of yours so I guess it belongsto you.
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And she took it and everybodysaid to me oh, she's awful.
And I said no, she didn't haveproblems with money.
I did.
Money could not hear me if ittried.
Douglas James Cottrell (09:35):
Wow, you know the moral question.
There is like, okay, you tookthe money out of my jar, you
made this money, you keep it.
I'll keep my $3.00, a, b well,I'll split it with you, or C.
She said thank you very much,walked away.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (09:52):
She said thank you very much and walked
away.
I had a bit of a sore heart butI really realized that I was in
a hole with money.
I wasn't talking to it, Icouldn't be friends with it, I
didn't know what to do about it.
And then I went for a moneywalk and on the walk I suddenly
remembered that as a littleteeny, tiny kid my mom had
always planted cannolillies andI'd harvested the seeds.
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It was great fun for me becauseI figured the more seeds I had
and gave to her, the morecannolillies we could grow.
So I had an association withmoney already, but I'd forgotten
and I had to reestablish thatand really make a clear
connection with it.
Douglas James Cottrell (10:33):
You have to know what your feelings are
about money.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (10:35):
Exactly your thoughts, your feelings and
your behaviors or actions.
So we explore those.
What are your thoughts, whatare your feelings, what are your
actions?
When did those first start foryou?
When did you become aware ofmoney?
What were you doing at the timein your life?
What did it mean for you?
What did you make it mean aboutyou?
What did you make it mean aboutothers?
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Because that's become yourdominant pattern now.
Douglas James Cottrell (11:01):
A man I love very much, a relative, when
he would have a windfall ofmoney meaning something he
worked very hard at paid off andhe'd have a lot of money.
He had three or four peopleworking for them.
He would give them bonuses andat the end of giving them
bonuses he ended up with, ofcourse, not very much money.
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He was the owner of the company.
He should have kept all themoney and maybe given somebody a
5% or 10% bonus, but I thinkthe feeling is he wanted
everybody to feel good, becauseeverybody was struggling with
money, and he wanted them tofeel good, but at the sacrifice
of him giving away the rewardsof his efforts.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (11:44):
Exactly I do not deserve.
There's an underlying sentencethat says I feel guilty if I
hold on to it.
I do not deserve to be wealthy,and so of course, money says
okay, if you don't, you don't,and it will act that way around
you.
So with someone like that, Iwould say to him where does that
come from?
When did you first startfeeling that way?
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Who else in the family has thispattern?
And a question I would ask ofhim would be so who in your
family may have made money offthe backs of others that you are
now returning?
Douglas James Cottrell (12:22):
Good karma point.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (12:24):
Yeah, and we see this.
We see this a lot inmulti-generation.
Like you have somebody whomakes the money off the backs of
others, you'll see one of twopatterns the unhealthy one,
which is what you've described,or the healthy one, which says
you know what, I'm going to doit differently, I will pay it
forward, which is the wiser one.
Everybody will get some and Iwill get some, so nobody is
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excluded.
Douglas James Cottrell (12:50):
This emotional feeling towards money.
It's multi-generational.
You learn from your observationas a child.
People look at people are verywealthy and they admire them and
they go and they associate withpeople very wealthy and I think
success rubs off.
So they must be having a newassociation with money at that
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point.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (13:13):
Exactly.
That's exactly what they'redoing.
So one of the ways that you'llsee it is you watch your mother
and father struggle and struggleand struggle and you go I am
not doing that.
I will go and get a goodeducation or I'm going to get a
good job, but I am not going tostruggle like that.
You've already gone, it startedthe switch and then you go I am
going to and you start workingtowards a goal.
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Money loves the goals because itloves to have a place to flow
to and in fact, during thatNovember event, I have a very
specific gift or piece thatpeople will receive that's going
to teach them to give money agoal.
You start that switch and thenyou go I'm going to do this and
this.
Then you begin to realize thereare other people ahead of you
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who have done very well in theirlives, and so you do go and
associate with that, becausethey have a very different
mindset, they have verydifferent thoughts and very
different feelings and verydifferent behaviors and they
will say things to.
I've had people say to me youneed to learn to be rich and
I've gone?
What?
And they go.
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Yes, it is a mindset and it is away of being, which I've really
had to embrace and learn,because we otherwise keep
ourselves stuck in the minorleagues and then we think it's
everybody else's fault, it's us.
So it's learning how tograduate yourself to the major
leagues.
And guess what?
The world really likes it.
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The big things that have beendone in the world have all
needed money.
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Douglas James Cottrell (16:04):
So just before the break, we were
talking about money and howpeople need to know how to make
money, to be educated, to learnhow to be rich.
One of the things that a manonce said to me was you never
get rich giving money away.
That was a wake-up call to me,because we want to always help,
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but I think there's lessons tolearn on how to help as well.
As you said, fill your cup up,because, again, you can't get
rich giving money away if youhaven't made it yourself yet.
So one of the attitudes aboutpaying back that comes later.
You can always help later inyour life or when you make it
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like Warren Buffett.
He didn't give money away mostof his life or is very stingy,
but then he retired and he gaveaway billions.
Exactly that's how to do it.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (16:59):
Exactly so we could say he was stingy.
Or we could say this man knewwhat he was doing, he had a go,
he kept accumulating and then hewent.
Now I can make a difference.
Douglas James Cottrell (17:10):
He knew.
That's one of the lessons aboutlearning how to be rich is to
go and talk to somebody likeyourself and find out where are
the weaknesses of my character,what don't I know, what do I
need to know, and then find outabout how people who had great
wealth, how they act and youwere right when you said they
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act differently, verydifferently.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (17:36):
Yes, they do .
They don't have the same fearsas we do.
They've put those down.
They won't say that they don'thave other fears, but they don't
have the same fears.
They have a little bit more.
Go get it.
They've learned that money isnot the enemy.
That's one of the biggestthings.
They've also learned that moneyis a relationship.
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And you said earlier on, it'sabout looking at the weaknesses
in your character.
It's more like a gap analysis.
So what don't I have that Icould really use?
What do I have that I couldmaximize?
Where did that come from?
In my family?
Because if you've got that inyour family, it'll keep echoing
through until somebody changesit.
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But they have to give it itsplace.
You cannot exclude the pattern.
You use the pattern as wisdom.
So if everybody was reallyscared in the family, they were
all scared around money.
You actually acknowledge thefear that lives in the family
and then you bring the opposite,which is security or happiness.
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But it needed the one to seethe other.
So it's really about buildinggood, strong money steps and
understanding that flow comesfrom somewhere.
Money isn't evil.
It's never been evil.
It comes from source.
It's what we do with it, butit's what we do with anything
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and what would we like to dowith it?
And it's climbing out fromunder the little mushroom that
says you should?
What?
What is that lovely?
One Lesson or the poor?
Well, yes, we could take that alittle too literally.
Blessed also are the wealthy.
Somebody said to me the otherday you know what?
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I have this beautiful newartifact that I bought.
It's expensive and I feelguilty.
And I looked at them and I saidexpensive things need to be
loved too.
Douglas James Cottrell (19:32):
I found that there is that attitude out
there, where people are, youknow, they feel undeserving,
perhaps, or they have the fearof well, if I get something,
somebody's going to take it awayfrom me.
And we talked to some timepreviously where the fear of
success is.
You know, I have to pay taxes,oh my God, you know somebody's
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going to take the money awayfrom me, oh my God.
And it's like, well, would yourather be rich and happy or poor
and happy?
You could be either, but whatwould you rather be?
Well, I'd rather be rich.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (20:07):
Many people would say I'd rather be poor,
because that's what God said.
God didn't say that.
I think God sits up there andgoes.
Who wrote this stuff?
Yes, so I gave you a brain, Igave you the capability.
What are you doing?
Douglas James Cottrell (20:23):
I like to describe it this way, Judy is
that when you're thirsty, youcan go down to the ocean and
take as much water as you like.
God provides the water.
And when you get there, Goddoesn't care if you come with a
teacup full to get water or atanker truck, it doesn't matter.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (20:39):
Exactly.
In fact, I think God goes yes,somebody with a little bit of
chutzpah.
We're actually moving people.
Speak to this person, they'reopen, Speak to their brain.
We have so much that we'recapable of and we've pulled
ourselves down into the smallerversions.
Why, why?
Douglas James Cottrell (20:59):
It makes perfect sense.
I'm listening here and I'mgoing through my mind, of course
, what's happened in my lifepeople that I've counseled over
the years and I'm listening andI can almost hear the
conversations where people havehad these difficulties, where
they don't know or they haveassumptions, and they just make
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things up and it's like, well,would you make assumptions about
the grocery store, that theydon't have good food there or
there's not enough food for me,or they don't have what I want?
No, you would go there and findout and so, listening to you
checking off the boxes, so tospeak, as I asked you before,
when somebody comes in front ofyou, whether they're rich or
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poor, they have some blanks orsomething to be filled in.
And I asked you how did youfind that out?
And you sort of have delineatedthat and said these are some of
the things that happen.
But as people in the audienceare listening here and they
ought to get your book you havesome wonderful books that's
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decoding your emotionalblueprint.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (22:09):
That's the one.
Decoding your emotionalblueprint is the new one.
Douglas James Cottrell (22:12):
What's the newest event?
It's in November.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (22:14):
The newest event is the money DNA one, and
that that is the one that reallylooks at the myths that we have
around money and says not sofast.
I love what you said aboutassumptions, because assumptions
are dreadful little beasts.
They really are.
I have had people in fact, Ihad a client recently who has
been on this planet for aboutthe last six decades and based
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their entire life on oneassumption and when we
challenged it I said please goand ask this.
They came back and said I don'tknow what to do now because I
was completely wrong.
I made an assumption that'sthat I've been unhappy with and
I've been small with my wholelife, and it was never true.
Don't make assumptions.
Douglas James Cottrell (22:59):
Yes, and when you have, when you make
mistakes.
I always say mistakes arestepping stones to success.
When you lose money or you'vemade a mistake, what would you
say to people about getting overthat guilt or beating
themselves up?
Judy Wilkins-Smith (23:18):
I would say good, so you're feeling guilty
about losing money.
Who else in the family lostmoney and how guilty did they
feel?
Well, great uncle son, so goodYou're repeating great uncle son
and you're going to feel guiltyso that your kids can feel
guilty.
Or what can you learn from thisthat you can turn around and
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make even more with, Because thechoice is yours you can steer
in the guilt or you can turn itaround and make something
remarkable.
I mean, if you look at manysuccessful people, what they did
was they failed up over andover.
They kept failing up.
They failed, they learned, theygot up.
They failed, they learned, theygot up.
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And eventually and money knowsthis and success knows this If
you're committed, you will getthere, you will get there.
But what happens is people go.
Well, I tried that once.
Okay, good luck.
How was that for you?
Because that's not how it works.
Douglas James Cottrell (24:16):
I've heard that so many times.
I tried that once.
It never worked.
So try it again, you learn.
No, I don't want to do that.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (24:24):
No, you've got to commit to it.
If you don't commit to a way oflife, you know what Life is
going to have its way with you.
Douglas James Cottrell (24:33):
This is so true.
You're very wise, Judy, and youknow what you're.
When they're listening to it, Ican see them nodding their
heads.
Of course, of course, of course.
But get up off the couch right,Put it to work.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (24:46):
Get up off the couch, put it to work, start
doing things like giving moneygoals and really concentrating
on that I mean November andfigure out what you're going to
do.
That's going to start showingyou how to give those goals,
because, yes, we do it in 3D soyou can see it, hear it, feel it
.
For someone like you, it wouldprobably you'd go crazy because
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you'd bemulti-sensorializationing all
over the place.
You'd be picking it up fromeverywhere.
But the lovely thing aboutmoney is it really does talk to
you and it works with you.
And I know on the odd occasionand I've said well, never mind
the money, I can, I can justabout hear the visible pop.
On the other end of that, themoney goes oh really, never mind
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me, fine, I'll just come backwhen you're good and ready, and
I go uh-oh, reorienting,reorienting, rerouting, stop.
Douglas James Cottrell (25:41):
Again, money has no emotional
attachment at all.
It goes where it goes.
You have to learn how to grabit and break it into yourself.
You have to hang on reallytight to it, otherwise, because
it's energy, it just goes back.
And so these are major lessonsthat you only learn by
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experience or by going to seeJudy in November and finding out
all about these amazing things.
Listen, it's kind of like it'sgreat to see you, it's good to
listen to you, it's good to havethis event, but really this is,
in my opinion, an investment inthe person's own success.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (26:22):
Couldn't stated better it is.
And people don't invest inthemselves.
They think that's cliche.
It is not cliche.
Until you do invest in yourselfas the most important being in
your world, you're going nowhere.
Douglas James Cottrell (26:38):
That's true.
You need a mentor, you need away shower, you need some
instruction, you need some trialand error, you need belief in
yourself.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (26:47):
And total commitment.
Douglas James Cottrell (26:49):
Total commitment.
That's right.
That's one of the things.
Let's talk about that, becausethis is a thing that people
don't understand.
Commitment is laser focused.
It's step by step, and howwould you describe the
commitment that people need?
Judy Wilkins-Smith (27:06):
So I'm going to tell you first that people
understand commitment.
They just don't know that theyunderstand it.
Let me explain.
I look at something.
I go oh you're so stupid, howcould you do that?
You knew that was an idioticthing to do.
You're such an idiot.
I'm totally committed to thatand I know how to do that one.
It's called trash talkingcommitment and we all know how
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to do that.
We keep beating ourselves andtelling ourselves how bad we are
.
We don't watch horror movies,but we do tell horror stories
about ourselves and believe themall day long.
So we're pretty committed.
What we haven't been taught tocommit to is I can do this.
I can figure it out.
I'm going to do X, yeah, butbut, but, but, but, but, but no,
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no, I'm still doing X, andwe're able to do that.
If you decide you're going onvacation, it doesn't matter if
anybody tells you you're not,you're going on vacation.
Money is absolutely nodifferent.
The only difference is we'vebeen taught that money is tricky
.
It's not.
You've got to have a clear mind.
You've got to have a clearintention and you don't deviate.
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And if you do deviate, get up,start again.
You're at a new starting point.
Keep going, but that commitmentto doing that rather than buying
cigarettes, a magazine.
If you give yourself solidgoals and they excite you
because they must excite you, ifthey excite you enough, they'll
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pull you past all of yourexcuses for sitting on the couch
and you'll go all the way toyour goal and before you know it
you'll actually be sittinggoing.
I did that.
And then you get this kind offunny little tickle that hovers
somewhere between the throat andsolar plexus and you go I
really did that and the brainstarts to light up and now
you're building the winnereffect.
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And if you do it once, you'lldo it again and again.
And suddenly that becomes a way.
Then you start to say well, mythinking is different.
I'm not thinking about oh, Ican't get that bunch of bananas
at the store because that's 34cents.
You're going.
Thank you, beautiful bananas,I've got the money.
Here we go and the thinkingstarts to change, and then that
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keeps growing.
We are evolving human beings,and that includes with money.
Money is a means of evolution.
Douglas James Cottrell (29:26):
That poverty thinking that you're
talking about well, I can'tafford the bananas, or well,
I'll need the money for the pay,the bills, and I'll buy my soup
lunch later, that's.
That's comes from guilt.
I don't know where itoriginates, but it probably goes
back to a relative in thefamily of oh, we have to save
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for the rainy day, we have to.
Oh, my God, we're not going tohave enough.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (29:52):
That's it, or the Great Depression.
You have an event that sparksthat.
So take the Great Depressionand you'll have had two sets of
people one who said hold on toeverything because we don't know
what we've got tomorrow, andthe others who would have looked
and said there's opportunityhere, what can we do?
And that's what's going to makeand break in the pandemic.
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Same thing I saw lots of peopleget wiped out.
I saw other people go.
You know what?
I looked at that and I thoughtthis is the time for me to make
the change.
Douglas James Cottrell (30:23):
Yeah, a wise man a long time ago said I
was a young man and where I haveasked him, he was successful,
reasonably so.
And I said so how do you getrich?
And he said, douglas, there'smoney all over the ground.
All you have to learn is how tobend over and pick it up.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (30:45):
That's it.
That's it.
And learn the energy of money.
Because people go, moneydoesn't have an energy, it does.
I'm as grateful when I pick upa penny in the parking lot as I
am when I get a check.
I'm so excited because I knowthat money is playing with me.
Somebody takes me out to dinnerand I go thank you and then I
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go thanks, because money isplaying with me.
I go to be able to give a giftand money and I went and did
something together, so I'm veryaware that money will play with
me.
Douglas James Cottrell (31:18):
Well, that's a that's a wonderful way
to do it.
I was in New York City talkingto a lady who's a Fifth Avenue
successful person and she saysmoney just comes to me all the
time.
And she was very wealthy andher family and I was, of course,
should have been your New Yorkbusiness woman.
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And we're walking across thestreet from the restaurant going
back to her office and there onthe on the road were bright,
shiny, shiny pennies about 100of them.
How they got there, I don'tknow what.
They were brand new pennies.
She was in high heels and avery tight business skirt or
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suit.
She almost kneeled down andpicked them all up.
I have helped.
I, of course, helped.
Nobody else would have beenbeneath me, walking by.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (32:11):
I mean I'm like that lady, I will pick that
penny up and I'm so excited itmade my day.
Douglas James Cottrell (32:17):
Well, we were just talking about that
before head and she said you see, what I mean was making her day
, but here's icing on the cake.
We took a little few more stepson the sidewalk and there was
$20 on the on the sidewalk.
She bent over and picked thatup and she says you see, douglas
, the angels are taking care ofme.
I never forgot that and I dothis.
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I see a penny or 10 centswalking through an airport Pick
it up.
I believe that's a message fromthe divide, you know, so I'm
glad to do it.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (32:49):
It really is .
And I said I'll tell you astory that I don't always tell.
I went for a money walk.
After I'd hit the wall withmoney, I went outside and I went
OK, god, I need to talk tomoney and I'm waiting to get
smacked on the back of the headand nothing happened.
So I go OK.
So I start talking and prettysoon I'm remembering as a kid
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how I did do well with money andthen how things got sticky when
I started to listen to otherthings and we were, we'd moved
here and it was really tight andI said to money, I'd like to be
friends again.
I'd really like to be friends.
I started talking and on theway back I picked up a $1, $5,
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$10, $20, $50 and 100.
Douglas James Cottrell (33:37):
I've never heard anybody say money, I
want to be your friend, andthen for that to come to you
like that money must come foryears.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (33:49):
It has is an .
I made it after that.
I made a very clear promisethat I would teach people about
it, because everybody had notsuch or not everybody, many
people had not good ideas aboutmoney.
And money is a wonderful mentor, it is a wise friend, it is a
good lesson giver, it's a greatcompanion and it is it's a great
(34:14):
gift giver.
Douglas James Cottrell (34:16):
Well, I'm listening to and I'm
agreeing.
You know you ask, ask and youshall receive.
You know you have to go andknock on doors and seek and make
that prayer come true.
But talking to money, does thatnot take away all the fear?
You know all your family sayingyou can't have, you don't
(34:39):
deserve it.
Who do you think you are?
You know all the things thatyour siblings might become
jealous of if you're successfulyour friends, which does happen,
unfortunately, when peoplesuccessful.
But as you learn these things,Money is your friend.
And then what are you expecting?
Friendly money coming to youall the time.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (35:03):
Exactly, I notice if I go with money it
it'll break.
But the minute I breathe outwith it, there we go and then
you can very much feel it.
You can feel money around andpeople will go how you think
about when you've been given abonus, think about when you have
a check.
You can feel it.
Douglas James Cottrell (35:24):
When you do that, that puts in play all
those law, manifestation, law ofattraction, being a magnet for
money, things all those clicheswe've heard all over.
But I think you've hit the nailon the head and I think you're
going to educate people whenyou're decoding your emotional
blueprint in your book, but alsohow this money DNA works.
(35:50):
I mean, I've learned from youin the interview we did last
time and this time that I havesome Apprehensions about money,
or I may have some concerns withmoney that you know, you don't,
you don't think about, butthey're there and then when
somebody goes and attend your,your event at Disney World in
(36:14):
November, it's going to be awake-up call, I think, and I
encourage everybody listening tothis interview to Go to your
website and find out how theycan buy tickets and how can they
do that, by the way, judy, they, if they go to Judy Wilkins,
hyphen, smithcom, the event islisted there and all they've got
to do is register and Be at theevent.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (36:38):
And I think the other thing, when I listen
to you saying I have concernsabout money, what you have is
you have an adventure in waiting.
It's not a concern, it's only.
It's something that's going hey, hey and it's trying to get
your attention.
Once you give it your attentionand you look at it, you then
(36:58):
begin to figure out.
So what do I want this to looklike?
Not, oh, my goodness, what do Iwant this to look like?
What do I need to do for thisto look this way?
How do I need to feel and, bythe way, if you use elevated
emotions with money, it worksreally well how do I need to
feel?
And and what do I need tocomplete?
What goal do I need to givemoney?
(37:20):
So that I don't have anyapprehensions around it.
We're good, we're good, we'resecure, we're happy.
And then what do I want to do?
Because I will tell you thatthe next adventure After
security is how do I share, howdo I teach, what do we do
together?
It's a grand adventure and it'sa big adventure.
Douglas James Cottrell (37:42):
Well, I agree with that.
And learning how to, learninghow to go the distance, as you
just put out there, step by stepAgain back to Warren Buffett is
like keep all your moneyworking, it's yours, and then at
that point, when you want togive back to the world, you'll
(38:05):
have plenty of Extra to giveback.
But not to be concerned now.
Not to be concerned what peopleare going to say oh look.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (38:14):
People are going to say.
What people are going to say.
I got that one a long time ago.
All of the greats, all of thegreat prophets, are great
prophets with lots of Criticism,and if they couldn't get it
right to have everybody likethem?
I'm not wasting the time either.
I'm not.
I will teach people what it isthat they need to do, because
(38:34):
there are very clear money stepsfor each person, and I'm happy
to teach them to do that andtake it to the max.
Warren Buffett has anotherthing.
He has money working its ownthing at this point, because
that money is now making money,is now making money, is now
making money.
So of course, he's not going topull it out.
He can pull out pieces, but youdon't want to break the engine
(38:57):
that's working so beautifully.
You want that to keep reachingpeople, which is what he's doing
.
It's what Bill Gates does too.
They've learned.
Get money to where money can bejoyful in your presence and
then keep flowing, becausethere's a lot of adventure you
can create with that.
Douglas James Cottrell (39:14):
I, when I was a kid actually, I had a
penny jar and I found as long asI kept putting punny pennies in
it, it seemed to grow.
It's what.
I took the pennies out and andDid something you know by
chocolate bars did.
It didn't happen, but as longas I was, you know, feeding the
jar, I Even as a child I'mtalking under 10.
(39:37):
I was amazed at how moneyseemed to be.
Absolutely.
That was amazing.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (39:45):
So it grows and then you've got to put it in
a place where it can grow andyou can keep flowing into it so
it can grow bigger and biggerand then you can you can use
what it is that you want.
I've always said one day I wanta great big wine vat and then I
want to put all the money thatI find Into that wine vat.
I'll tell you the other thingthat I I do now is I write down.
(40:10):
I have a journal and I don'ttypically use journals, but I
actually have a journal and Ihave an envelope in the journal.
Every day I write down notgratitude, I write down what
went right and Then in myenvelope anytime I get
unexpected money, it goes inthere.
I don't touch it at the end ofthe year I want to see how much
(40:33):
unexpected money money broughtme.
Douglas James Cottrell (40:37):
Well, I like you will be.
Yes, I, I've been visiting thiswine vat which is gigantic, and
I was going to say he didn'tsay piggy bank, you said wine
that Think big.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (40:55):
Yes, that is the other thing that we do with
money is we don't think big.
You've got to learn to thinkbig, even if that takes you
steps.
You've got to learn to thinkbeyond your current limitations,
which means saving it, growingit, investing it, reinvesting it
, being wise with it.
So you've got to be a wisesteward of money.
(41:16):
Money likes that, and With thatyou've also not got to just
save it, you've got to put it indifferent spaces.
My dad taught me that when Iwas a little kid said here are
five envelopes this in this,this in this, this in this, this
in this and you never borrowfrom this one for this one.
So when it comes to vacationsor when it comes to whatever it
is, I go to that envelope and itcomes out of only that envelope
(41:40):
and I'm always reallypleasantly surprised at the
amount that's in there.
I'm like this is awesome.
I just keep putting it in.
Then, when I need to, I use it,and the trick for many people
is oh no, well, I don't want touse it now.
Ah, ah, ah, you put it intothere for use for that.
A vacation is not a silly thing.
A vacation means you're goingto go and get some experience
(42:02):
and find new ways for money toflow.
So don't short yourself whenyou have a wish either.
It's a reward to yourself,money, money is also a reward to
self.
It teaches you to bedisciplined, to have direction,
to have goals, to build a winnereffect, to be kind, to be
generous.
(42:22):
It teaches you so much.
Money is not just a coin.
Douglas James Cottrell (42:28):
Money is not static.
Money goes, goes, and if youdon't know how to hang on to it,
it will leave you really fast.
So Learn how to hang on to ittoo.
But of course that goes withthe same thinking.
If if you're learning how toAttract money and get money for
all the various purposes, I'mgoing to do this.
(42:48):
I'm going to start talking tomy bank account.
I'll start talking to myInvestment account.
Up here we have a tax-freesavings account.
We love money in there.
I'm going to say, okay, I wantyou to grow, that's it.
Yeah, I'm gonna.
I'm gonna take that advice andI learned that from you today.
I mean I pray and, but I'malways like someday the money
(43:13):
will come, or I know this ispart of the DNA, someday the
money will come and or or youknow, like out of the ether.
I mean okay, and it does come,sometimes a surprise, but
talking to it, I guess whathasten its arrival?
Judy Wilkins-Smith (43:32):
It would someday, it can be someday
forever.
Douglas James Cottrell (43:36):
True.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (43:37):
It's really okay to say, okay, money, come
on in, come on in, let's talk.
There's a lot that I want to do.
Here's what I want toaccomplish.
Here's where we could start.
Let's have a look at what we'redoing together.
I.
Douglas James Cottrell (43:50):
Okay, we're going to take a quick
break.
We'll be right back with moreof this amazing woman who is
going to make you rich bygetting you to talk to money.
We're talking to JudyWilkinsmith, world renowned
family patterns, systemic workand constellation expert, author
, motivational speaker, founderof System Dynamics for
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Douglas James Cottrell (45:32):
And welcome back everyone.
I'm talking to JudyWilkins-Smith about money, dna
and how you, my friends, shouldtake the trip in November that
would be November, I believeit's the 5th to the 8th at the
World Facility and take in this,I guess I could say this
(45:56):
life-changing event.
I'm sure when people come outof there they're going to be
like oh my God, I didn't realizethat.
Now I know what to do.
So tell us a little bit more aswe wind up, to show a little
bit about what people can expectwhen they get there, other than
life-changing, amazing things.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (46:18):
Actually a whole lot of it.
I did it at Disney Worldbecause it's a bit of a stretch
to go to Disney World and I didit at the Beach Club for the
same reason.
But there's a whole lot ofmagic and if you're going to
start with a whole lot of magic,you want to start somewhere
like Disney World with someonelike Walt and Roy, because there
was a Roy.
If there wasn't a Roy, wewouldn't have had Disney World,
(46:40):
because Walt didn't have a clueabout money, he just had a clue
about making magic.
Roy was the one who knew whatto do with the money, to keep it
kind of humming and moving.
And so what we do is we workhard during the day from about
nine until four.
Then you get about half an hourand then you get to go play in
the parks and really look atwhat you've learned during the
(47:03):
day and how you see it in action.
At Disney World, who has made afortune because of happiness
and because of magic, so youcould see money, happiness and
magic all belong.
Now, when you're with me, whatyou will experience is everybody
gets a chance to do a piece ofwork, whether it's in group or
(47:25):
individually.
I do some of the individual andI have facilitators with me and
so everybody gets a chance tolook at their piece and you're
going to see that money is goingto pop up for you in the most
unexpected ways and in the mostunexpected places.
And you're going to look atyour history with money and your
(47:46):
future with money and logicallyand doably see how to get from
where you are to where it is youwant to be.
And then, as I say to people,if you commit and if you put it
into practice I have a number ofpeople who have attended my
money DNA before who are nowsaying my commitment got me
(48:07):
seven figures.
So some people absolutelycommit and get it right, but
whatever happens, you willchange your money outlook.
Douglas James Cottrell (48:18):
You know , I can't see why not.
That would be a foregoneconclusion.
Even if they got 10% of whatyou have to say, their life is
going to get better, 100%.
I mean some of the things thatare.
People are nodding their head,and we also have heard that
before, but what you're going todo is isolate that point or
(48:41):
points that people can actuallyachieve what they want to
achieve.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (48:46):
Absolutely.
I think.
The other piece for them toknow, though, is it's not just
me talking.
They're going to be interactingand doing, and people who look
for those aha moments whereeverything changes, those aha
moments are right there.
We have a lot of those thathappen for a lot of people.
Most people will walk away withit at the minimum, quite an aha
(49:10):
.
So many people will walk awaywith a switch, a flip switch.
Douglas James Cottrell (49:15):
And a lot of confirmation what they
were thinking.
Anyway, you've laid it out.
Okay, it makes sense and I wasalways going to add to that.
When they get to those points,can they come back and see you
again, or do you offercounseling for counseling for
(49:36):
them?
You know, carrying, carryingbeyond that moment, that date.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (49:42):
People who want to see me can get a hold of
me via the website, and they do.
What I've found that'sinteresting, though, is the way
that I teach people become moreof the captains of their own
ship, so they need less of mearound, because they suddenly
realize they are the adventure,not me.
But yes, I'm always availableif people want to follow up,
(50:05):
they want to come and talk to meabout it, if they want to talk
to me before it.
I've just finished teaching amoney course for the publishing
company that I'm with as well,and people are well aware that
money is not just money.
It is a whole adventure.
It is an adventure.
Douglas James Cottrell (50:26):
It's been a pleasure having you here.
Judy Wilkins Smith, renownedfamily patterns systemic worker
and constellations expert,author, motivational speaker,
motivated us today and founderof system dynamics for
individuals and organizations.
Thank you, judy, for being heretoday.
Judy Wilkins-Smith (50:46):
Such a pleasure.
Douglas James Cottrell (50:48):
I've really enjoyed it.
I really have.
Until next time, remember, thejourney doesn't stop here.
It's just the beginning.
We wish you well Until nexttime.
May I wish you peace andprosperity.
By the way, on behalf of Judyand I, we want to wish you a
little magic for today.
That's Judy's magic words.
Take care, my friends.
(51:08):
Bye for now.
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