November 20, 2023 • 66 mins
Our journey in life is shaped by the experiences we go through and the choices we make. Today's episode offers profound insights from an extraordinary woman, Esra Ogut, whose life journey has been nothing short of inspiring. Raised as a diplomat's child, she has lived in various corners of the world. Her experiences of diverse cultures and her transformative journey of personal growth, from Turkey to America, offers a fascinating perspective on life and the universe.
Esra's journey didn't just stop at experiencing different cultures. She shares her spiritual awakening through yoga and the impact it had on her life. Her bold decision to move to America and the transformative journey that followed is a testament to the power of determination and self-worth. Through Unlimited Me, she emphasizes the power of choice and the hindrance of a victim mentality. We delve into her experiences that shaped her understanding of prosperity consciousness and how we can retrain our ego to align with our desired reality.
The episode concludes with Esra's recounting of her near-death experience and how it pushed her further into her self-discovery journey. She shares about her initiative, Ike and Esra, and her ambitions for its expansion. Host Douglas James Cottrell leaves us with the reminder that the journey to self-realization is not easy, but it comes with invaluable growth and understanding. Tune in to this episode to hear Esra's compelling story and enrich your perspective on personal growth and transformation.
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Hosted by Douglas James Cottrell. This episode was produced by Paul Hughes, with co-production by Jack Bialik and audio engineering by Doug M Cottrell.
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Douglas James Cottrell (00:43):
Welcome to the show, my friends, with
another wonderful addition.
My guest today is Esra Ogut,who is an amazing lady, who has
a wonderful story and an amazinglife, and she's written a book
that you must absolutely go andget.
It's Money Does Grow on Treesand she explains the myths we
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create and live by Now.
I've spoken to Esra before and,as you may have read or seen in
our podcast, the Wake Up, andor on our Global Village radio
show, but today we're going tocontinue the conversation and
we're going to find out moreabout this fascinating woman and
her journey.
Welcome to the show.
(01:24):
It's great to have you heretoday.
Esra Ogut (01:26):
Thank you so much for inviting me.
I love talking to you the lasttime, so I'm so happy we're
getting to do it again.
Douglas James Cottrell (01:33):
Well, I guess we're becoming good
friends.
So I've been North America.
Are you in Europe?
Esra Ogut (01:40):
I'm in Turkey.
I just got back from Egypt andGreece because you know, all
those places are close enough tojump around from Turkey.
But currently, for the lastyear I've been living in Turkey
after many, many years in the US.
Douglas James Cottrell (01:54):
Well, I asked because I know from before
the show Communication you werein Egypt and I don't know you
travel a lot.
Esra Ogut (02:03):
I do, I do.
I really have a gypsy DNA and Ican't stand still.
Douglas James Cottrell (02:09):
Well, if I remember, your whole life
started off you were the childof an ambassador who was moved
from country to country, and wetalked a little bit about that.
Maybe you would like to tellour listeners about that and how
you got started in yourwonderful sojourn from being a
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child sort of on the road withan ambassador father and some of
the disciplines you had toendure, and then how you got to
America and how you became theamazing person that you are a
life coach, a yoga instructor,an author.
You have a wonderful websitethat people can check out more
about the amazing things you do.
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So tell us a little bit abouthow you went from that little
girl when you were younger andyou were sort of, I guess,
conditioned to a certain way,which ultimately became your
life's work.
Esra Ogut (03:06):
Well, let's see how I can like fit that all in a very
brief paragraph Pick your time.
Douglas James Cottrell (03:13):
We have plenty of time.
Esra Ogut (03:15):
Well, yeah, I mean my father.
You know who was an ambassadorlater on, because in Turkey,
like you go, have to, you know,work for 15, 20 years before he
can become that.
So he had the good life when Ihad already left home.
But yeah, I was born in Ankara,in Turkey, in the capital, and
then, just when I was threemonths old already, I was living
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in Belgium, then Bulgaria, thenGreece and Spain, austria.
So every three, four years itwas a different country and in
between we would always have tocome back for two years or a
year back to Turkey and then goback out.
So there was an incrediblejourney, not just from country
to country, but from a veryEastern mindset to bouncing to a
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very Western mindset and thenback, which, as a child, was
very difficult because some ofthe values are completely
reversed.
For example, the educationalsystem in the East is very much
based on authority.
You just like listen to theteacher, you spit out whatever
the teacher says.
If you like kind of sayanything else or give your own
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opinion, you get kind ofpunished.
You see, then you go to theWestern side and if you don't
have your own point of view tospeak about, then you get a bad
grade.
You know, so I was usually inAmerican schools, and especially
when I was a teenager.
In the West, when you'realready 14, 15, 16, you know to
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be engaged with having aboyfriend and everything is very
, you know, natural at a veryyoung age compared to the
Eastern point of view.
So there, if you're not toointeractive, there was a period
of time where everybody thoughtI was a lesbian.
Then you go back to you know,the Eastern part of the world
and it's like, oh God forbid.
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If a guy touches you, you know,on your arm, oh my God, what
are you doing, you know?
So it was, in a way, veryconfusing in that sense.
Douglas James Cottrell (05:16):
I can well imagine oh my God, what a
nice.
Esra Ogut (05:20):
It was, it was.
You know that was tough.
Maybe just moving from aEuropean country to European
country of course also has itschallenges.
So one of the things that mylifestyle taught me very early
on is kind of learning to bedetached, because every time you
get on a plane, your life asyou knew it for four years is
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over, because you know yourparents aren't going to bring
you back to that country, you'renever going to see some of your
friends again.
My God that was a harsh training, but I got that one early.
And I think the other, mostimportant one that contributed
to my work is to see how youknow how there is no fixed truth
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or reality.
It's all very relative.
Reality is a very relativething depending from what
perspective you're looking at.
The third thing I want to sayvery quickly is that I got
trained on this whole concept ofprejudice also very early on in
my life.
I remember distinctly when Iwent to Greece as an eight year
old kid.
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Of course, greece and Turkeyhistorically are not very, you
know, friendly.
I didn't speak a word ofEnglish yet at that time.
I was in an American school andall I know is I'm going to
school and everybody in theschool hates me, but everybody.
So I was traumatized, you knowfrom A to Z.
I'll never forget, like whenwe're getting our coats.
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If anybody like touched me,they'd be like, eh, like that,
and I'm like oh my God, what isgoing on?
And I was very upset, of course.
Douglas James Cottrell (06:52):
Were you bullied, you think.
Esra Ogut (06:54):
Well, I didn't know what was going on.
It was worse because I couldn'tspeak the language.
So when I learned English inabout a year, I realized that
Sophia I'll never forget hername the most popular girl in
school, was Greek, was told byher grandparents or something,
that Turks eat babies or someweird you know myth like that.
Douglas James Cottrell (07:17):
Oh, my God.
Esra Ogut (07:18):
So this is what she told everybody and of course
they're all kids, they allbelieved it, and so I realized
how this thing that comes fromour parents or grandparents, you
know, these kind ofconditionings can completely
distort reality.
So I had to, at a very youngage, learn not to take prejudice
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personally, and I didn't.
I managed to not take itpersonally, understood where
she's coming from, talk to her.
We became the best of friendsand we even sat down and wrote
the then president Papandreou.
I'll never forget that, as aTurkish and a Greek, you know,
eight year old girl, if we canfind friendship, so can the two
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countries.
Douglas James Cottrell (08:04):
Oh, my God Wonderful.
Esra Ogut (08:07):
It's interesting because, see, this is how belief
systems work.
Because I know this prejudicething is very heated in America
right now.
Because I realized prejudice isnever about me, it's the
perspective.
If it's hurting me, then it'sabout me, because I'm agreeing
with what's being said.
But since I was very clear noone in Turkey eats babies I
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didn't have a space to take itpersonally anyway.
And after that lesson ofrealizing prejudice is never
about me, never again did Iexperience prejudice ever
anywhere.
I went neither as a you knowTurk, neither as a woman,
neither as anything, because Iwas done with that belief system
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and since I didn't occupy it,it never got reflected back in
my life to me.
Douglas James Cottrell (09:00):
Well, that sounds like wisdom in the
making.
And for two eight year oldgirls to sit down after this
character assassination based oncomplete fabrications and
prejudice and rumors and whoknows what, you managed to, I
guess, be somewhat leaders ofyour Schoolmates and then
(09:26):
extending it further, to write aletter, how many little
children, how many little kidsdo that?
You know Fascinating.
You know so, as you move fromcountry to country, you know
life is life is brutal, as youhave just recounted, and
Obviously you were astute andyou were taking things in and
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analyzing.
You know, on the job, training,if you will, to be somewhat
wise, and I'm gonna, I'm goingto say indifferent to the boogie
man fears that are out there,which are now, as you alluded to
, there there's an awful lot ofrumors and prejudice, but I like
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the line, don't take itpersonally.
It's not you, it's the persona,it's the Attitudes.
A rumor, it's the reflection ofpeople who are ignorant and
they don't know any better.
I know I've traveled to a lotof countries myself and,
although you've kind of skippedover it, learning the language
and the customs, well, to methat was scary.
(10:30):
I mean, yeah, going up to thefood teller and say with a
handful to change and say goahead, take the money.
You know I'm buying groceriesor something, so I can relate to
what you're going through.
And and as you continued inyour life, you, you, made that
big jump from from Europe, fromTurkey, to America, america.
(10:51):
Tell us a little bit about that.
Esra Ogut (10:52):
That was a that was an adventure for sure it was
because I had never even come tothe United States as a tourist
in my life and and because Igrew up in American schools but
in Europe, and I loved theAmerican kind of system of
education that was in Europe.
I Found it kind of moresophisticated than what we had
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in Turkey.
I just, and because I justloved everything we were taught,
you know, the freedom toFreedom of speech, freedom of
thought.
You're not guilty until proven.
So everything that is about theConstitution, which I think is
now on very shaky ground in theUS, unfortunately, and that's
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why we left, but at that time itwas very to me, it was.
It resonated deeply, itinspired me.
So I just had to come toAmerica.
I knew it like that statue ofliberty Was my thing, it was the
symbol of my life.
I felt like I would find Myself, my freedom, everything I was
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looking for in America had thatthought and my parents were like
not happy about it.
They did not want me to go.
They said I can't, and I waslike, well, watch me.
And so I Kind of, you know,manifested a scholarship from
the place I was working at thetime.
I was working in a TV station inTurkey at the time and I
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manifested a friend that also myparents knew the parents of to
go and stay with, and I had verylittle saved up money, without
knowing what I was going to do.
Once I showed up there and Ijust, I actually had a boyfriend
too, which, for the sake ofthat statue of liberty, I had to
leave behind, and I just jumpedon a plane and blindly arrived
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in Los Angeles.
So that's how the entry to LosAngeles, you know, happened.
And after that point Life wastough, because I was studying at
UCLA, you know, television andfilm, but I wasn't allowed to
work.
But I didn't have money, so Ihad to do anything I could to
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pay rent.
So I did all kinds of jobs,like selling shoes, selling
Carpets, you know, just doingwhat whoever would give me
whatever job at minimum wage.
And it was all for that statueof liberty and the three
principles of the Constitution Imentioned.
Douglas James Cottrell (13:21):
And you didn't go home, you didn't fail.
One day, as I understand it,you were walking down the street
with, when you say, very littlemoney I think you told me
before it was very little moneyand you're at a another
continent, another side of theworld, in a place you've never
been before, and so I can onlythink that that was some
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spiritual Motivation or guidancefrom above to get you to where
you were.
But tell us the story how youcame down the street and saw
this yoga.
Yoga studio would seem to be abeacon of hope for you.
Esra Ogut (13:57):
Well I can't really say I didn't fail.
I think I kind of failedmiserably the first easy five
years.
Douglas James Cottrell (14:06):
Let me say this you didn't quit I
didn't quit.
Esra Ogut (14:09):
But, yeah, I experienced failure over and
over and over and over, againand again and I was very
depressed, and I think I waskind of a depressed type before
I even came to America.
But I thought all my problemswere because of this, because of
that, because of you know,whatever turkey, because of the
society, and that's the thingyou know, no matter where you go
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, you take yourself with you.
So once I got to the States,thinking I was just going to
have all this freedom, Irealized that I was the problem.
And, yeah, there was very low,several levels of self-worth, a
lot of depression.
I was kind of doing drugs, Iwas drinking alcohol like crazy
(14:51):
and all these things, and I wasvery depressed things and just
feeling a lot of pain insideabout how I was seeing myself,
how I was perceiving myself.
I really had a very, very low,very low self-esteem.
So one day what happened is it'swhat we call a being choice in
our system.
I didn't know that that's whatit was called, I hadn't heard
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that terminology before, butit's like whenever we decide
with all of our being what we'regoing to belong to and what
we're not going to belong to,that's like almost like a
magical key that shifts yourwhole reality around.
But it's not an intellectualthing.
It has to be a thing beingchoice.
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You choose with all yourbeingness.
You say Notice certain realityso you can say yes to another
reality.
So the night before I foundthis yoga center, I was so
miserable, douglas, I remember Ijust kind of got on my knees, I
cried, I cried, I cried fromthe Incredible amount of pain I
was carrying and I said you knowwhat?
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I'm not going to continue lifelike this, if this pain is going
to be with me all my life,right here, right now, I'm
quitting.
Wow either this is going tochange or I'm going to quit, and
that's it.
It was like no more of thisdepression anymore.
It was a being choice.
Now, the next morning, when Iwoke up, I went for a walk to
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cry.
And as I was walking, crying, Isaw this amazing building with
red bricks and I was all of asudden attracted to this
building.
I didn't know why.
I went inside and there was allthese people dressed in white.
You know, they were kind ofdressed weird too.
I could have like been like oneon earth and just left, but I
didn't.
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And I said you know, what areyou guys doing here?
And they said oh, we doKundalini yoga.
Would you like to have a?
You know, your first class isfree.
I'm like, okay.
So I sat down, I had my firstclass.
I cried my eyes out like a babyfrom beginning to end.
Douglas James Cottrell (16:56):
Oh my gosh.
Esra Ogut (16:57):
And though, in that very first class, I realized I'm
like, oh my god, I have so muchto heal, and I realized that I
was going to be in love withmyself for my inner child,
because I just Saw that innerchild, I saw how scared she is,
how hurt she is, how low she is.
And I realized that withoutfirst healing myself, without
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first coming back intorelationship of love with myself
, that nothing else in my lifewas going to work.
So that was kind of like thefirst, let's say, I would call
it kind of a revelation moment.
Douglas James Cottrell (17:35):
That's a pretty profound Understanding.
You came to, yeah, the lowestof the lowest point, that
somehow you're drawn to this bigred brick building.
Esra Ogut (17:48):
Yeah, but it was.
It was that decision the nightbefore like no way to this
Missouri anymore.
It was just like you knowanother way, or the highway,
that's it, but not this way.
And whenever we do that reallyfrom our heart, from our
beingness, everything changes.
I've seen.
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I mean this is one of the majorthings we teach.
Douglas James Cottrell (18:12):
That's what I was just gonna say, and
you've incorporated some ofthese amazing lessons or wisdoms
that you've gained over thattime.
Tell us a little bit more howsomebody who might be at a
similar point, how they can findout more about you.
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We'll be right back.
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Douglas James Cottrell (19:42):
So just before the break, I was asking
how people who have reached sucha point, a point of no return
let's call it to be positive howcan they come to you and gain
from your wisdom and experienceto help them in that turnaround
or pivotal point that's veryserious in life.
Esra Ogut (20:05):
Yeah, I will give the website.
Is that what you mean?
Douglas James Cottrell (20:11):
Yes, website, how to contact you, but
then what people can?
Esra Ogut (20:16):
give you.
First of all, I would say don'tcome until you have decided to
change your life, because beforethe person is ready and clear
about the change they want,actually no help really reaches.
Because the power of helpdoesn't ever come from the
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outside, it always comes fromthe inside.
Once we decide we want to helpourselves, whether they end up
coming to me or a book hits someover the head with one sentence
like always, the help will beavailable.
So that's the thing.
Like we don't work, like Iwouldn't work with myself before
I arrived at the point that I'mtalking about, because I was in
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a state of victim psychology.
I was stayed in feeling verysorry for myself, and as long as
we're in that psychology and wedon't choose to get out of it
first, nothing and nobody canhelp, period.
So unless you're decided, don'teven contact me briefly.
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But if you have decided to getoutside of your box, it's
wwwikie and esraesranowcom.
You can get the email fromthere.
You can contact our assistant.
But my recommendation would beto read the book first, because
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there's a lot of exercises thereand not everything resonates
with everybody.
Like they should read the book,see the information and if
there's a resonance then, ofcourse, welcome.
I'd be very happy to work withyou.
Douglas James Cottrell (22:00):
They can also come and see you.
At the Unlimited Me the journeybegins, I guess, conferences or
public events to meet you or tosee you and to listen to you as
well.
Esra Ogut (22:12):
Yes, I mean, what they can do is when they get on
our website, we have a placewhere they can give their emails
.
And once we have their emails,whenever we're doing a workshop
and we always do it on Zoom oron Instagram if it's just a
little kind of a podcastymeeting, we'll do it on
Instagram.
If it's a workshop, we'll do iton Zoom, and if it's a private
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session, we do it on phone.
So usually we do everythingonline or on the phone rather
than in person.
Douglas James Cottrell (22:41):
Yeah, it makes sense and I know in
person is a whole differentambience and energy sharing and
things like that.
But Zoom and conferences onlineare the way the world's going
now and you can come with peopleall over, so that's how people
can find you and find out moreabout you through your website,
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and I was quite impressed.
Don't come and see me until andI think that's true when you
get to that point where you'rewilling to do anything else.
You know, everything you'vedone up to this point obviously
hasn't worked.
Perhaps it's considered failure, but at that moment in time,
when people are ready, that'swhen you'll help them.
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That's a pretty good point forpeople to know.
Esra Ogut (23:29):
That and also to realize that the frequency of
victim and the frequency ofsolution they're so far away
from one another that theycannot occupy the same space.
It's impossible.
So if you're going to be avictim, at least don't try to
look for a solution.
And if you want a solution, thenyou've got to drop the sense of
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feeling sorry for yourself,because that is like a huge cage
and I know it, I had it, I kindof lived it for a very big
chunk of my life and I can tellyou right now it doesn't work.
You know, it really doesn'twork.
And usually we have a victimpsychology that we stay and sit
with if we have some sort of abenefit from it, like we're
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trying to get sympathy fromother people or we're trying to
find a savior that's going tosave us or we need to hear
loving words from a person buteven if we get that very
temporarily, it's very temporary.
We can't really reach a realsolution.
So I love that saying.
I think it's maybe an Americansaying, maybe British, I don't
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know but God helps those thathelp themselves.
It's right there.
You've got to do that firststep.
Douglas James Cottrell (24:44):
I agree, people, they hear their prayer,
ask and you shall receive, andeverybody goes OK, I'm going to
pray, I'm going to ask foranything and say yes, but
there's two conditions Seek andyou shall find, knock and it
shall be open unto you.
And that means you have to goand do something yourself.
You have to make it happen.
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And so that's right.
God provides everything.
You just have to go and do it.
I mean, you had to get on thatplane, leave your boyfriend,
your family and Turkey behindand go to a country that you
never, ever, were at before.
And you did.
Esra Ogut (25:23):
And it's interesting that you bring that up, as you
just said it, because prior toactually going, I had, since
high school, wanted to go.
So I wanted and I wanted and Iyearned for it.
And I'm like, ah, it can neverhappen.
I wanted, I wanted, I keptremaining in the space of the
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one who wants, but about twomonths before I actually got on
the plane, all of a sudden Iswitched from being the person
who wants to being the personwho chooses, and that's what
made everything all of a suddenrealign Again.
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If we're going to go back to thebeing choice, it was a
five-minute second, afive-second decision.
I was pouring coffee from amachine in this workplace and I
remember thinking to myself likethis can't be my life.
I'm not going to do thisregular thing in Turkey, where
you graduate from university,you get a good job and then you
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get married and then you havebabies.
That's just not me.
And I said, oh my god, I don'tsee my life in Turkey, I see my
life in America.
And then I said you know whatI'm going, and it was a choice
with all of my being.
I wasn't anymore wanting, Imade a decision that you know,
no matter what the conditionswere, and I didn't have any
conditions going for me.
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I'm just going to go.
That's when the scholarshipcame, that's when the help came,
that's when the friend whom Icould say with came.
You see, all the problems gottaken care of once.
I decided to belong to thatreality being choice.
Douglas James Cottrell (27:02):
I found the same in my life.
It's exactly right.
You can want and want and want,you can try and try and try,
but until you decide, and thenthere's no doubt, then the
enthusiasm, the assurance you'redefinitely going to do it, and
then, as you just recounted,I've had that magically if I can
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call that magically all thesethings come to you to get you to
where you want to go.
So I guess that's part of whenyou also coach high profile
individuals.
You're very well known in thefield for what you do and, as
we're talking a little bit, someof the, I guess, the initial
steps for people to get to thatpoint, when it seems like
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everything's hopeless, you couldsay no, just choose.
And as you choose, and thenyou're willing to take the steps
.
You had to get on the plane,you had to buy the ticket, you
had to pack the bag, had to doall these things.
It just didn't arrive.
You had to do these thingsyourself and I believe in that
self-sustaining.
If you want something, if youcan do it yourself, go do it.
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That's your duty.
If you can't do it yourself,then there's always somebody to
help.
That's your responsibility totry to get that person to help
you and a combination of dutyand responsibility, you can
achieve everything.
I mean, you're a verysuccessful woman.
You're probably modest as well,but you've done a lot and I'm
not going to put you on the spotand say, what have you done.
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People can read your books andfind out more about you.
They don't need to be lazy.
They could find out a lot aboutyou and I encourage them to do
so, because people like you areleaders in the world.
You've gone through thedifficulties.
You've gained a wisdom andlife's experience so that when
you talk to people, when youteach people, you're teaching
from the heart, but also fromlife's experiences, so you're
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telling the truth.
It's not academic.
You know.
This is how I did it, so followalong.
So again, people with a websiteis a place to start and to buy
the book.
Again, you know, money doesgrow on trees.
How did you come up with thattitle?
I love it.
Esra Ogut (29:08):
Well, again, it was a being choice.
I don't know if last time wespoke I mentioned the story
maybe briefly, I don't remember,but I experienced.
I mean, my definition ofprosperity changed so much.
I really kind of arrived afterstruggling about money like, but
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so badly.
You know, it was always payingrent at the last time and not
knowing each month if I'mactually going to make rent, and
I had the shittiest apartmentwhich was a thousand dollar, you
know rent.
So it wasn't even a big wowapartment or anything, was the
bare minimum.
So after having you know this,when I grew into the prosperity
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consciousness, I realized thatprosperity is all around, it's
there all the time.
It's not a limited principle,it's a very unlimited principle.
But our belief systems aboutmoney and prosperity that all
life is hard or you can't getmuch unless you have to work, or
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you know money is the root ofall evil we have all kinds of
belief systems that we've comeup with as we were growing up,
as we were children.
That separates us from theprosperity that's all around.
So I was definitely on thattrain myself and I remember
after I met my husband, who thenlater became my husband, I was
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already in my mid 30s, I wasreally, really broke and I
realized that I didn't even havethe luxury of having a baby if
I wanted to, because I didn'thave enough money to take care
of a baby.
And at that moment, that thoughtso shocked me Again.
I made a being choice and Isaid I remember the moment again
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.
Being choices happen like infive seconds.
It doesn't take any longer thanthat, and I'm going to give an
exercise after this for peopleto activate that being power
that we actually all have.
You know, something we're bornwith.
We don't even need to be taught, we need to just remember.
I jumped to the middle of theliving room and I said to myself
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you know what?
I will never experience, everany problems in regarding money
again, I am choosing to belongto great prosperity.
I didn't know the how.
I wasn't the finance person.
I was more, like you know,artist person.
I had no idea about the how,but once I made that being
choice, just like the yoga, aweek later I met my life coach
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and he was able to take me tothe memory where I decided I
don't know if I shared thismemory before Should.
Douglas James Cottrell (31:52):
I let's hear it again.
It's a wonderful story.
Esra Ogut (31:54):
Yeah, so I'm watching TV.
You know, I'm like seven oreight years old.
My grandmother has friends andthey're all talking about how
there was an arranged marriageand a young girl has been
married off to this very richdoctor who's 75, you know age of
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her grandfather and they'rethinking it's a good thing.
And I'm like sitting therewatching you know, pretending to
watch cartoon, like, like whatin my head?
Douglas James Cottrell (32:25):
This could happen to me.
Esra Ogut (32:26):
Oh, this could happen to me, you know exactly, and I
was like, no, this ain'thappening to me for sure.
But you know, there were just Imean, it's not how, how you
know even in Turkey that wasn'teven at that time that normal.
But you know, anyway, it wasjust this one example, but the
whole point is there like, ohgood, she did.
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Well, you know, it's importantto find a rich husband.
A woman should never follow,you know, her heart.
She should follow basicallystatus and money, otherwise
she's a stupid woman.
Douglas James Cottrell (32:58):
Oh gosh.
Esra Ogut (32:59):
And I'm listening to this and I'm like I remember
getting like shocked and scaredfrom this conversation and
feeling like, oh my God, likehow are these people going to be
?
You know the wayshowers of mylife and I remember being very
frustrated, I remember beingvery like not in agreement and
so, because I couldn't sayanything, I went to the bathroom
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, I shut the door, I looked atthe mirror and I said you know,
dear universe, I will alwaysfollow the way of love and I
will always say no to money.
Douglas James Cottrell (33:34):
There it was.
Esra Ogut (33:36):
So that was the belief system that created as a
seven year old and that is thatwas, exactly to the T, my
experience up to the age of 35,before I woke up to my own
programming and that, and that'swhy that juncture of waking up
to the program was so important,because up until that point I
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thought from my conscious mind Iwant to manifest prosperity.
But here I had this beliefsystem from a seven year old
girl that said love and moneycan't be experienced together.
You have to choose one or theother.
So I always went after jobs.
I loved countries I wanted tolive in.
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You see, I was very successfulin following the love, but the
love always came with beingpenniless, being in America,
being penniless, falling in lovewith guys that had no money.
If any wealthy person asked meout, it was a no, directly.
I didn't know why I was sayingno.
But really, when I went backand looked, any guy lost
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immediately if he had, if he hadmoney, you see, but it's all
unconscious, I would justinterpret as like I'm not
attracted to this person.
No, I'm not attracted to whyare you attracted to all the
poor ones?
You know, that's the reason forthat.
Douglas James Cottrell (34:56):
That's as I said.
That's an amazing story youtold me before and listening to
you tell it again, perhapsreliving it again.
You're telling the story.
That's fascinating.
The wisdom there is, if I canuse the word.
We self sabotage ourselves fromthese beliefs that those old
ladies were just going to be,they were talking foolish, but
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that imprinted on you as a young, impressionable young girl.
Esra Ogut (35:25):
No, no, no, actually didn't imprint on you, because
the exact imprint would havebeen I have to go after money
and rich man.
Douglas James Cottrell (35:32):
You see, excuse me All right.
Esra Ogut (35:35):
Even, even, even as a seven year old.
We're actually very free in ourchoosing in terms of what we
choose to conclude Right.
And then the rest of it wasexactly like I believed I
created my reality.
So I was very successful tocreate my reality as I believed
in.
It's just that I wasn'tremembering the belief system.
Douglas James Cottrell (35:58):
That's what you're teaching people is
to go back to that time and findit.
How do you do that?
How can you know what peoplediscover that?
Esra Ogut (36:07):
There are many ways, like through the coaching.
Through, you know, when youtalk to people in the coaching,
you get them to see how they'recontradicting themselves and
from that contradiction ofthemselves you just slow them
down.
From there you can enter andget them to fish out the belief
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system.
That's one way.
The other way that we use isdoing inner child work where,
for example, in my case, itwould have been that, say, if
inner child was being done to me, well, how do you feel about?
You know, money, I don't know.
There's an uncomfortable feeling.
Where is it in your body, in myheart?
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Well, ask, when did I firstmeet this feeling?
And then, from there, yourconsciousness, usually with the
right direction, will take youto the memory where you first
made up your mind aboutsomething.
This could be about men, itcould be about marriage, it
could be about prosperity, butin that sense I don't.
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I absolutely don't believethere's such a thing as
self-sabotage.
We're all experiencing verysuccessfully and to the T,
whatever we have chosen tobelieve in the past.
But these beliefs are often thebelief of a six-year-old,
seven-year-old, eight-year-old,nine-year-old, and that's the
problem.
Douglas James Cottrell (37:33):
Well, since we spoke last, you've
taught me a lesson or two and Istarted to look back at some of
the things, and one of myproblems is people pleasing.
Esra Ogut (37:44):
Oh.
Douglas James Cottrell (37:45):
How is it that you can get meaning
generically?
How could people?
I think it's widespread.
How can you overcome peoplepleasing?
I sort of know how, but in away that people are listening to
this, I'm sure there are manypeople.
They can't say no, everybodycomes first, they pay themselves
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last, they're unsure abouttheir own success or ability to
achieve, they always defer tosomebody else.
So I take that as peoplepleasing.
But because it's reallyimportant for people to say this
woman has walked the walk,she's been there.
So I guess what I saw.
(38:30):
Do you find people pleasing asone of those?
You can choose and say no, buthow do you choose not to people?
Please, to become sort of meanand nasty?
I'm kidding, I'm just puttingthat out there.
Esra Ogut (38:39):
Being nasty.
Well, I think one of theunderstandings is to realize
first of all, that aim of tryingto please everybody is a
delusion.
Something like that is not evenpossible, even like it just
doesn't exist.
It can't be done.
So when we have an aim to beginwith that is an absolute
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impossibility, then weconstantly drop ourselves back
into this pattern and sense ofI'm not good enough, because
obviously, if you're chasing agoal that's impossible, you're
constantly going to feel extraI'm not good enough.
Now, people are alwaysexperiencing us according to
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their belief systems.
So let's say, for somebody it'sa great thing to laugh and they
see me while talking to youlaughing.
They're going to be like oh,you know, she's so joyous, how
nice.
But let's say, according toanother one, laughing too much
is equivalent of not being veryserious or, you know, being the
real important thing.
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Well then that person is goingto judge me like, oh my God,
what a loser she is.
You see what I mean.
But I'm being the same person,of course.
So you know, in a way, otherpeople's opinions in that sense
don't matter.
But I think I mean I had, oh, Iwas a total people pleaser
myself.
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I needed approval right, leftand center, like I was so the
queen of it, and I still haveresidues, if it sometimes it'll
come up, you know, unexpectedly.
But I've overcome in a very,very big amount.
But I still definitely haveresidues and I, you know, work
on myself too.
But having a high degree ofthat again comes from a very
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childlike psychology, when wehaven't overcome needing the
approval of our parents to exist, you know, because we
definitely needed their approvalto go to our fence party or
whatever be able to, you know,not be grounded or do something.
But there comes a point whenthe authority has to leave the
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side of the parents, hopefullyas early as our teenage hood,
but since we're not coached orcoaxed in that way, it usually
happens way later and to decideagain, make a being choice to
bring the authority back insideand the only way to penetrate
that is making it okay thatpeople don't like us.
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I mean there's always people whodon't like us, you know.
But that pain of not beingliked or that pain of not being
loved, I have found in my lifethat it's because I wasn't
giving it to myself.
So I took a very big, longjourney of doing all these
techniques to approve myself, tolove myself.
And the more that approval ofthe self, approval of the love
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grew well, the less you need itfrom the outside.
You're just like oh, whatever,you know, if somebody doesn't
like you, they have a right andyou can still keep liking them
because really it's not evenpersonal.
Douglas James Cottrell (41:49):
I think that's a very good lesson for
people to learn.
Wherever you go, even in church, there are people who don't
like you because you're too tall, too short, too thin, too thick
, too smart, too stupid.
But that's their values andother people's values.
You shouldn't accept them orimpose them upon yourself.
Loving yourself is basicallysaying well, that's their
(42:09):
opinion.
You know, and whatever theirinfluence is upon you, you
become Teflon.
But sensitive people you knowit's hard to get over that and
you and I are people like us arevery sensitive or astute.
Esra Ogut (42:25):
But again, inner child work is great for that
integration to happen, like togo back and give that approval
to our child's self from all thetimes and directions.
We didn't get that and I had awhole, like you know, truckload
of that, starting with, you know, being hated by a whole school
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was an eight year old, I meanman for a year.
Announcer (42:48):
That was tough.
Esra Ogut (42:51):
That was really tough .
Douglas James Cottrell (42:52):
It's so bad, oh my gosh.
And you know.
Kudos to you for being so braveto go back to school every day,
knowing the next day it's goingto be the same, oh my God.
But somewhere along the lineyou mentioned that you had a
mentor who showed up, and thementor was a long time in your
life, and your husbands as well,and I think that's how you met,
(43:13):
so to speak.
But it's important that peoplehave a mentor like yourself who
you can instill incrementally.
People can't change overnight.
I think we have to establishthat you can.
Esra Ogut (43:24):
Oh yeah.
Douglas James Cottrell (43:26):
But that one thing when you get to that
point of no return and youdecide you choose, this is what
you're going to be, it's likegetting out of bed, right?
That moment comes when you'rein bed and it's hard to get out
of bed.
You know it's a struggle.
But to come some moment you say, okay, I have to put my foot on
the floor.
And for me that's how I relate,that, okay, when I would go
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someplace I confess this when Iwould have a trip, I'd be going
to Spain, or I would go toPoland or Norway, or someplace I
would.
The day would come, I have to,you know, the bags packed or
almost packed, and I have toleave, I would procrastinate, I
wouldn't want to go.
I would, you know, like, oh no,I don't want to go to the
(44:11):
airport, the immigration, thesecurity, the taxis, the
struggle, if you will.
And then I would say okay, tomy bed, I'm coming back in two
weeks, you'll be here and I'lltell you all about my trip.
And this is my first step.
And I would take that firststep in my bedroom.
And from there on, it was okay,and I think that's how I see my
(44:34):
whole life.
There was that struggle toinitiate or get started, but as
soon as I said I'm taking thatfirst step, there was no looking
back, there was no holding back.
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Douglas James Cottrell (46:02):
Welcome back, my friends.
You're listening to thisamazing lady, esra Ogart.
Oh God, sorry, I'll say itagain.
Esra Ogut (46:12):
No, you said it great , you said it great.
Douglas James Cottrell (46:14):
Okay, then I won't get Paul to edit it
out, so it's just struggle.
Life is always a struggle and Ican remember trying to learn
how to ride a bicycle.
It was a struggle.
I can remember trying to put myfootball outfit on.
I didn't know how the equipmentwent.
It was a struggle.
Everything in life is astruggle and when you make that
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point and you say okay, and fromthat moment on, after you say
okay, you take that step, it'sno longer a struggle, it's your
choice, you have nothing.
There's no reservations, nomental reservations, there's
nothing holding you back.
But doing the next thing,what's keeping I call it, what's
keeping me back or what'sholding me back?
Oh, I need, I need to getdressed.
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Oh, I need to pack the bag, youknow that kind of thing.
So, as people come to you, Iguess the question is how do you
help them get past that pointthat, as a mentor or somebody
assessing, your question.
Esra Ogut (47:18):
Yeah, how do you get?
Well, first of all, we explainto them very well how the ego
works, how it's a very importantfunction.
It's not anything to get rid of.
But it's a very because I mean,this is the thing like people
bad mouth ego, rate right, leftand center, especially the
(47:40):
spiritual circles, and it's like, well, if it wasn't meant to be
there, we wouldn't have had itas a mechanism.
So ego is like the anchor of aship.
Once we make a choice, like inmy case, money and love don't go
together was one choice.
Being in pure misery for a verylong time was another choice.
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What happens is the egoimmediately comes and
encapsulates that belief systemso that we can experience it as
a reality.
Another way to explain it islet's say, we're the programmer
on a computer.
We put a program in.
It's our choice.
It's not even an imprint.
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Even as a child, we have a freechoice.
The way I can express thatbefore I continue is if we
didn't have free choice, everysibling from the same family
would be exactly the same.
Douglas James Cottre (48:39):
Absolutely .
Esra Ogut (48:39):
That's the evidence of it.
So we put a program into thecomputer.
The ego is the database wherethat program is kept for us, so
that we keep watching the samescreen until we change with a
new being choice.
What new thing we're going tobelieve in Now, the moment we
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get outside of our box I mean,if this were my box right now
the minute I'm like deciding toget out through changing my
belief system which, forprosperity for me, was like, oh
my God.
You know, my whole financiallife up until my mid 30s has
been run by the mind of a sevenyear old.
This is ridiculous.
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Of course, love and prosperitycan be together.
The minute I make this beingchoice, the very first thing my
ego is going to do is try tokeep me back in the old reality.
It's going to try to keep me inthe box.
That's when the struggle starts, when where we want to go is
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this direction and we have abelief system that's lying in
the opposite direction.
The ego is there to sustain theold reality in place.
It's going to fight you veryhard as you're trying to make
that change, as you're trying tostep outside of the box.
One very good exercise is tolearn to talk with your ego like
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you would to a child.
Again, to retrain your ego, notaccording to the old reality
but according to the new reality.
Retraining the ego, talking toyour ego, learning not to take
your ego too seriously while itchatters away, maybe saying, oh,
(50:30):
you need approval, you needapproval, or hey, you know what?
Again, you're not good enough.
You're not good enough, it'sjust chattering.
It's just how a three, four,five-year-old version of you
felt.
You don't have to take itseriously If you want to change
it.
You got to talk to it, you gotto relate to it.
That's how you change thedatabase.
(50:51):
Renew it On your computerscreen.
You can begin to watch a newreality.
Again, it's with practice.
Douglas James Cottrell (51:00):
You have to repeat that often, I would
think, because you don't justchange, you're just like a
process.
Esra Ogut (51:07):
My husband.
When we first met, he was anextremely jealous guy and he
realized very early on that I'mnot up for a relationship of
jealousy, because I wanted toexperience a relationship based
on trust.
His story was coming from hismother, something about his
mother choosing another childthat he thought she loved more,
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or something like that, where hemade a decision if you don't
hold your mother's hand orcontrol your mother's love, then
you're in trouble.
It's again seven eight-year-oldchild actually trying to have a
relationship which isn't goingto work very successfully, not
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with a lady like you.
Douglas James Cottrell (51:53):
That for sure.
Esra Ogut (51:56):
So he was very smart and he said you know, I'm going
to get out of this jealousy.
Well, I remember he would talkto his ego in the way that we
teach 10, 15 times a day, butyou know what, In six months he
was a complete non-jealousperson.
There are people who experiencethat for lifetimes and
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lifetimes, over and over again.
He was done in six months.
Douglas James Cottrell (52:23):
I congratulate him.
I find jealousy is one of thegreatest difficulties to
overcome, because jealousy willmake you allow you to do really
bad things.
Somehow you justify them inyour mind and it's terrible.
But jealousy not that I'msaying it's the thing, but it's
one of the top difficulties toovercome and I congratulate him
(52:47):
for that.
Wow, you know, it's amazing howwonderful we are as beings, how
multifaceted we are, and Ithink the awakening comes when
we begin to understand thatwe're multifaceted and that we
can love ourselves, coachourselves, talk to ourselves.
(53:10):
But I think that we need amentor to start.
There has to be somebody toshow you the way, to reassure
you, to give you a few wordsthat you can nibble on to
improve yourself.
I'm assuming you would agreewith that.
Esra Ogut (53:25):
Well, that has definitely been my experience as
well, because we worked with mymentor both of us, our mentor,
darryl Rutherford, by the way,you know.
May he rest in peace.
He lived till he was 98, wasstill writing books until his
very last breath.
You know, I would advise peopleto check him out as well.
(53:47):
We were with him for 20 years,every week, every week, every
week.
And this is the thing.
It's not like we don't have thepower to self-transform, but
the trouble is that we have theego who's trying to sustain
whatever was our latest reality,and the ego is very good at
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keeping us in that illusion andnot letting us jump into a new
reality.
So, since we are our own ego24-7, it's very important to
have the help of someone elsethat's outside of our box.
Douglas James Cottrell (54:24):
I agree.
I think that you know you needsomebody to say have you thought
of this way when you weretalking about ego?
I'm agreeing that I've heardmany times.
You have to kill the ego.
The ego has to be a sass andyou have to put it down.
I turn that around and I sayyou have to have a good ego.
You're not supposed to beegotistical, but you have to
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have a pretty sound personalityimage of yourself.
You have to be you and in partof learning not to people please
and part of my career, mycharacter's been assassinated.
I've been challenged by peoplewho don't know me, they don't
like me, they've never heard ofme or should have never met me.
(55:06):
And so, coming to thatself-assurance, you know, and
I'm relating to a lot of thingsof my life, as you were going
through your life and thosetimes as a child, being very
sensitive and saying that's notright, you know, but I don't
want to belabor the point butgoing to school every day
knowing you're going to be hated, god bless you.
(55:26):
That was courageous.
Esra Ogut (55:29):
That was hard, but yeah, it's so funny.
Ego in Latin means I, so peoplewho say the ego has to be put
down, the ego has to beassassinated.
If you take the word ego andput there what it really means I
have to be assassinated, I needto be put down Look at like
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what a relationship ofself-aggression that turns on
into.
Douglas James Cottrell (55:57):
Very well said.
Esra Ogut (55:58):
Yeah, so people, I mean I look at people who have
that concept that the ego is bad, and really I haven't yet found
one who has that idea and has apeaceful, harmonious, loving
relationship with the self.
Douglas James Cottrell (56:12):
I never met one myself.
Usually they become bitter.
They think they've been takingadvantage all their life.
They have been victimizedbecause a giver always meets a
taker.
And it's impossible.
It's impossible.
Sooner or later they stand upand they throw out all the books
and all the when they get itand they get to that point, they
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say that's all baloney.
Esra Ogut (56:37):
Exactly.
Douglas James Cottrell (56:38):
Be first .
Esra Ogut (56:39):
Douglas, you're so right about throwing all those
books out the window and abouthow these kind of journeys take
a while.
I mean again in the Americanpublic, I see that like
everything needs to be fast,fast, fast.
Give me the nine steps, give methe five, whatever's principles
, and it just doesn't work thatway, because people are
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confusing knowledge with theconsciousness of that knowledge.
Just because you hear awonderful wisdom in your life
and you resonate with it and youagree with it and it lifts you
higher, doesn't mean justbecause you have the information
, that you have it in yourconsciousness.
Now, for that information totransform into your
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consciousness just likeeverything else, it takes
practice.
It's again over and over.
You make mistakes, you get out,and then you understand this
perspective, that perspective,until it becomes to as natural
as the air we're breathing.
Then it becomes a part of youand then that information
(57:42):
because now it's in yourconsciousness works.
Otherwise it doesn't.
It's just intellectual.
Douglas James Cottrell (57:47):
That's right.
Knowledge without experience,it's just academic.
But knowledge plus experienceequals wisdom, absolutely right.
Very well said, I think, theway people are listening to this
show right now.
If they have any questions,they can go to your website,
(58:09):
ikandesranowcom.
Okay.
So I encourage everybody to goto the website first.
And you've got more than onebook.
I assume you must have a ton ofbooks out there, but the one
we're talking about today ismoney does grow on trees.
The myths we create and live by.
Esra Ogut (58:29):
No, actually I just have that one book.
I haven't written a second oneyet.
Douglas James Cottrell (58:35):
I must be intuitive or clairvoyant,
seeing a whole bunch of books ona shelf here yellow ones, brown
ones, purple.
Maybe, In sort of a summary waywhat are your future projects,
workshops and what's coming up?
Esra Ogut (58:53):
Well, right now we're very busy with doing our
certification program.
That's a very long program fora year and a half long but for
our Turkish clients, next year,in 2024, we want to open one
long workshop about prosperity,where it's going to be kind of
like a nine month journey inEnglish, and after that one,
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probably somewhere towards theend of 2024, I want to open up
the life coaching certificationprogram in English, because
that's what we love to do andthe transformations we see of
people there are just absolutelyamazing.
So those are the two things wehave in line wanting to ground
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for 2024 in the language ofEnglish.
Douglas James Cottrell (59:44):
Well, I'm happy to hear that, because
I don't speak any other languagereally well, so it gives me
hope.
Well, listen, it's been justdelightful to once again have a
visit with you and to find outmore about your amazing life.
I'm sure anybody who's listenedto this has any part of their
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life that they can relate tosome of the things you've gone
through.
They can take hope from this.
People who are way showers,pathfinders, lights in the world
, go through the struggle, as itsays in the good book, the way
to self-realization or toempowering yourself spiritually.
(01:00:25):
It's through long suffering andthere's no other way.
You know that this rite ofpassage is going through.
All the times that you, if youlook back, all the difficulties,
they've taught you something.
They've reshaped you.
You're the person you are todaybecause of these times, and I'm
going to remind everybody, youhad a near-death experience.
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Did that reshape your thinkingtoo?
From that time, that experience, that time you almost drowned.
Esra Ogut (01:00:54):
Of course I mean.
Since I spoke about it lasttime, I was like you know, maybe
like one time is enough, but ofcourse I mean I of course it
did.
Yeah, it was a drowningexperience where, just as I was
Not able to come up to thesurface of the water, I Heard on
my right ear this is a dreamand you're about to wake up.
(01:01:17):
So I was for sure, on my wayout.
I was about 16 or 17, and eventhat drowning experience though
in retrospect it wasn't just acoincidence I had, since I was
again in my miserable cycles.
At the time there was kind of afeeling of like oh, I don't
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want to be on the planet, Idon't want to be on the planet,
I don't want to be on the planetwas my inner mantra.
So I almost got that.
Wow and.
You know, when I heard thatvoice though this is the dream,
meaning the earth plane andYou're about to wake up I went
from fear to kind of like aremembrance.
(01:01:59):
It's like, oh, that's right,home Isn't here.
You know, as Jesus would say,be in this world, but not of it.
So I kind of like immediatelywoke up to the not-oftenest part
and all of a sudden forget thefear.
There was kind of like a weirdexcitement almost within me, and
One of the lessons was I sawvery, very like fast, little
(01:02:26):
parts, fragments of my life whenI either gave love or received
love or gave love, and Iremember thinking like, oh my
god, this love vibration is soimportant.
No matter how ridiculous we'rebeing on the planet let's say, a
murder, a rapist or whatever,even if we're in that role, the
essence of who we are is Love,and that's true for everyone,
(01:02:51):
every single one of us.
So there was a remembrance ofthat, and Then I remember
feeling extremely connected toeverything.
I kind of left the body and Iwas a part of the wave, a part
of the cloud, the sky,everything, zero fear, so much
love, so much harmony and somuch expansion, and Also the
(01:03:14):
realization, not just for me,but for all of us, that what we
look for is Ourselves.
We are the fabric of what wecall God.
God and us are one, and therewas a complete Remembrance of
that because I was all knowing,all fearless, all seeing.
But I'm not like that in theregular earth, and Everyone I
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know is that way too, in theirreality, and awakened self on
the other side.
So it was this incredible,incredible freedom.
And the very last thought Iremember having was like ah, how
did I forget this?
How did I forget this?
How to like, how does oneforget all of this?
I wish I could go back to theplanet.
(01:04:02):
I thought, now that I remember,and Before I could even
complete the thoughts, bam, Iwas back in the body.
The struggle was finished.
I immediately, like gracefully,got lifted out of the water.
Another big wave came, the onethat had taken me under before,
but I was like I knew it wasn'tgonna do anything to me.
(01:04:25):
So, like the Moana movieCartoon, the wave came and I
knew it would do that.
It just like took me andcarried me to the shore, and
then, of course, I ran for mylife and I felt like a newborn
baby.
I mean, the Sun was beautiful,the Sun was amazing, the sea was
like heaven, and I had thislike three days of absolute
(01:04:47):
delirium, of like so muchecstasy.
And so the remembrance was nomatter what victim role we're
playing, no matter what kind ofmischief we're up to as a role
on this planet, our true senses,our true Identity is love, and
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we are all the part of the onecreator.
Douglas James Cottrell (01:05:10):
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Douglas James Cottrell (00:43):
Welcome to the show, my friends, with
another wonderful addition.
My guest today is Esra Ogut,who is an amazing lady, who has
a wonderful story and an amazinglife, and she's written a book
that you must absolutely go andget.
It's Money Does Grow on Treesand she explains the myths we
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create and live by Now.
I've spoken to Esra before and,as you may have read or seen in
our podcast, the Wake Up, andor on our Global Village radio
show, but today we're going tocontinue the conversation and
we're going to find out moreabout this fascinating woman and
her journey.
Welcome to the show.
(01:24):
It's great to have you heretoday.
Esra Ogut (01:26):
Thank you so much for inviting me.
I love talking to you the lasttime, so I'm so happy we're
getting to do it again.
Douglas James Cottrell (01:33):
Well, I guess we're becoming good
friends.
So I've been North America.
Are you in Europe?
Esra Ogut (01:40):
I'm in Turkey.
I just got back from Egypt andGreece because you know, all
those places are close enough tojump around from Turkey.
But currently, for the lastyear I've been living in Turkey
after many, many years in the US.
Douglas James Cottrell (01:54):
Well, I asked because I know from before
the show Communication you werein Egypt and I don't know you
travel a lot.
Esra Ogut (02:03):
I do, I do.
I really have a gypsy DNA and Ican't stand still.
Douglas James Cottrell (02:09):
Well, if I remember, your whole life
started off you were the childof an ambassador who was moved
from country to country, and wetalked a little bit about that.
Maybe you would like to tellour listeners about that and how
you got started in yourwonderful sojourn from being a
(02:30):
child sort of on the road withan ambassador father and some of
the disciplines you had toendure, and then how you got to
America and how you became theamazing person that you are a
life coach, a yoga instructor,an author.
You have a wonderful websitethat people can check out more
about the amazing things you do.
(02:51):
So tell us a little bit abouthow you went from that little
girl when you were younger andyou were sort of, I guess,
conditioned to a certain way,which ultimately became your
life's work.
Esra Ogut (03:06):
Well, let's see how I can like fit that all in a very
brief paragraph Pick your time.
Douglas James Cottrell (03:13):
We have plenty of time.
Esra Ogut (03:15):
Well, yeah, I mean my father.
You know who was an ambassadorlater on, because in Turkey,
like you go, have to, you know,work for 15, 20 years before he
can become that.
So he had the good life when Ihad already left home.
But yeah, I was born in Ankara,in Turkey, in the capital, and
then, just when I was threemonths old already, I was living
(03:37):
in Belgium, then Bulgaria, thenGreece and Spain, austria.
So every three, four years itwas a different country and in
between we would always have tocome back for two years or a
year back to Turkey and then goback out.
So there was an incrediblejourney, not just from country
to country, but from a veryEastern mindset to bouncing to a
(04:02):
very Western mindset and thenback, which, as a child, was
very difficult because some ofthe values are completely
reversed.
For example, the educationalsystem in the East is very much
based on authority.
You just like listen to theteacher, you spit out whatever
the teacher says.
If you like kind of sayanything else or give your own
(04:24):
opinion, you get kind ofpunished.
You see, then you go to theWestern side and if you don't
have your own point of view tospeak about, then you get a bad
grade.
You know, so I was usually inAmerican schools, and especially
when I was a teenager.
In the West, when you'realready 14, 15, 16, you know to
(04:47):
be engaged with having aboyfriend and everything is very
, you know, natural at a veryyoung age compared to the
Eastern point of view.
So there, if you're not toointeractive, there was a period
of time where everybody thoughtI was a lesbian.
Then you go back to you know,the Eastern part of the world
and it's like, oh God forbid.
(05:07):
If a guy touches you, you know,on your arm, oh my God, what
are you doing, you know?
So it was, in a way, veryconfusing in that sense.
Douglas James Cottrell (05:16):
I can well imagine oh my God, what a
nice.
Esra Ogut (05:20):
It was, it was.
You know that was tough.
Maybe just moving from aEuropean country to European
country of course also has itschallenges.
So one of the things that mylifestyle taught me very early
on is kind of learning to bedetached, because every time you
get on a plane, your life asyou knew it for four years is
(05:41):
over, because you know yourparents aren't going to bring
you back to that country, you'renever going to see some of your
friends again.
My God that was a harsh training, but I got that one early.
And I think the other, mostimportant one that contributed
to my work is to see how youknow how there is no fixed truth
(06:01):
or reality.
It's all very relative.
Reality is a very relativething depending from what
perspective you're looking at.
The third thing I want to sayvery quickly is that I got
trained on this whole concept ofprejudice also very early on in
my life.
I remember distinctly when Iwent to Greece as an eight year
old kid.
(06:22):
Of course, greece and Turkeyhistorically are not very, you
know, friendly.
I didn't speak a word ofEnglish yet at that time.
I was in an American school andall I know is I'm going to
school and everybody in theschool hates me, but everybody.
So I was traumatized, you knowfrom A to Z.
I'll never forget, like whenwe're getting our coats.
(06:43):
If anybody like touched me,they'd be like, eh, like that,
and I'm like oh my God, what isgoing on?
And I was very upset, of course.
Douglas James Cottrell (06:52):
Were you bullied, you think.
Esra Ogut (06:54):
Well, I didn't know what was going on.
It was worse because I couldn'tspeak the language.
So when I learned English inabout a year, I realized that
Sophia I'll never forget hername the most popular girl in
school, was Greek, was told byher grandparents or something,
that Turks eat babies or someweird you know myth like that.
Douglas James Cottrell (07:17):
Oh, my God.
Esra Ogut (07:18):
So this is what she told everybody and of course
they're all kids, they allbelieved it, and so I realized
how this thing that comes fromour parents or grandparents, you
know, these kind ofconditionings can completely
distort reality.
So I had to, at a very youngage, learn not to take prejudice
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personally, and I didn't.
I managed to not take itpersonally, understood where
she's coming from, talk to her.
We became the best of friendsand we even sat down and wrote
the then president Papandreou.
I'll never forget that, as aTurkish and a Greek, you know,
eight year old girl, if we canfind friendship, so can the two
(08:03):
countries.
Douglas James Cottrell (08:04):
Oh, my God Wonderful.
Esra Ogut (08:07):
It's interesting because, see, this is how belief
systems work.
Because I know this prejudicething is very heated in America
right now.
Because I realized prejudice isnever about me, it's the
perspective.
If it's hurting me, then it'sabout me, because I'm agreeing
with what's being said.
But since I was very clear noone in Turkey eats babies I
(08:31):
didn't have a space to take itpersonally anyway.
And after that lesson ofrealizing prejudice is never
about me, never again did Iexperience prejudice ever
anywhere.
I went neither as a you knowTurk, neither as a woman,
neither as anything, because Iwas done with that belief system
(08:53):
and since I didn't occupy it,it never got reflected back in
my life to me.
Douglas James Cottrell (09:00):
Well, that sounds like wisdom in the
making.
And for two eight year oldgirls to sit down after this
character assassination based oncomplete fabrications and
prejudice and rumors and whoknows what, you managed to, I
guess, be somewhat leaders ofyour Schoolmates and then
(09:26):
extending it further, to write aletter, how many little
children, how many little kidsdo that?
You know Fascinating.
You know so, as you move fromcountry to country, you know
life is life is brutal, as youhave just recounted, and
Obviously you were astute andyou were taking things in and
(09:48):
analyzing.
You know, on the job, training,if you will, to be somewhat
wise, and I'm gonna, I'm goingto say indifferent to the boogie
man fears that are out there,which are now, as you alluded to
, there there's an awful lot ofrumors and prejudice, but I like
(10:08):
the line, don't take itpersonally.
It's not you, it's the persona,it's the Attitudes.
A rumor, it's the reflection ofpeople who are ignorant and
they don't know any better.
I know I've traveled to a lotof countries myself and,
although you've kind of skippedover it, learning the language
and the customs, well, to methat was scary.
(10:30):
I mean, yeah, going up to thefood teller and say with a
handful to change and say goahead, take the money.
You know I'm buying groceriesor something, so I can relate to
what you're going through.
And and as you continued inyour life, you, you, made that
big jump from from Europe, fromTurkey, to America, america.
(10:51):
Tell us a little bit about that.
Esra Ogut (10:52):
That was a that was an adventure for sure it was
because I had never even come tothe United States as a tourist
in my life and and because Igrew up in American schools but
in Europe, and I loved theAmerican kind of system of
education that was in Europe.
I Found it kind of moresophisticated than what we had
(11:16):
in Turkey.
I just, and because I justloved everything we were taught,
you know, the freedom toFreedom of speech, freedom of
thought.
You're not guilty until proven.
So everything that is about theConstitution, which I think is
now on very shaky ground in theUS, unfortunately, and that's
(11:38):
why we left, but at that time itwas very to me, it was.
It resonated deeply, itinspired me.
So I just had to come toAmerica.
I knew it like that statue ofliberty Was my thing, it was the
symbol of my life.
I felt like I would find Myself, my freedom, everything I was
(11:59):
looking for in America had thatthought and my parents were like
not happy about it.
They did not want me to go.
They said I can't, and I waslike, well, watch me.
And so I Kind of, you know,manifested a scholarship from
the place I was working at thetime.
I was working in a TV station inTurkey at the time and I
(12:20):
manifested a friend that also myparents knew the parents of to
go and stay with, and I had verylittle saved up money, without
knowing what I was going to do.
Once I showed up there and Ijust, I actually had a boyfriend
too, which, for the sake ofthat statue of liberty, I had to
leave behind, and I just jumpedon a plane and blindly arrived
(12:42):
in Los Angeles.
So that's how the entry to LosAngeles, you know, happened.
And after that point Life wastough, because I was studying at
UCLA, you know, television andfilm, but I wasn't allowed to
work.
But I didn't have money, so Ihad to do anything I could to
(13:04):
pay rent.
So I did all kinds of jobs,like selling shoes, selling
Carpets, you know, just doingwhat whoever would give me
whatever job at minimum wage.
And it was all for that statueof liberty and the three
principles of the Constitution Imentioned.
Douglas James Cottrell (13:21):
And you didn't go home, you didn't fail.
One day, as I understand it,you were walking down the street
with, when you say, very littlemoney I think you told me
before it was very little moneyand you're at a another
continent, another side of theworld, in a place you've never
been before, and so I can onlythink that that was some
(13:44):
spiritual Motivation or guidancefrom above to get you to where
you were.
But tell us the story how youcame down the street and saw
this yoga.
Yoga studio would seem to be abeacon of hope for you.
Esra Ogut (13:57):
Well I can't really say I didn't fail.
I think I kind of failedmiserably the first easy five
years.
Douglas James Cottrell (14:06):
Let me say this you didn't quit I
didn't quit.
Esra Ogut (14:09):
But, yeah, I experienced failure over and
over and over and over, againand again and I was very
depressed, and I think I waskind of a depressed type before
I even came to America.
But I thought all my problemswere because of this, because of
that, because of you know,whatever turkey, because of the
society, and that's the thingyou know, no matter where you go
(14:30):
, you take yourself with you.
So once I got to the States,thinking I was just going to
have all this freedom, Irealized that I was the problem.
And, yeah, there was very low,several levels of self-worth, a
lot of depression.
I was kind of doing drugs, Iwas drinking alcohol like crazy
(14:51):
and all these things, and I wasvery depressed things and just
feeling a lot of pain insideabout how I was seeing myself,
how I was perceiving myself.
I really had a very, very low,very low self-esteem.
So one day what happened is it'swhat we call a being choice in
our system.
I didn't know that that's whatit was called, I hadn't heard
(15:12):
that terminology before, butit's like whenever we decide
with all of our being what we'regoing to belong to and what
we're not going to belong to,that's like almost like a
magical key that shifts yourwhole reality around.
But it's not an intellectualthing.
It has to be a thing beingchoice.
(15:36):
You choose with all yourbeingness.
You say Notice certain realityso you can say yes to another
reality.
So the night before I foundthis yoga center, I was so
miserable, douglas, I remember Ijust kind of got on my knees, I
cried, I cried, I cried fromthe Incredible amount of pain I
was carrying and I said you knowwhat?
(15:56):
I'm not going to continue lifelike this, if this pain is going
to be with me all my life,right here, right now, I'm
quitting.
Wow either this is going tochange or I'm going to quit, and
that's it.
It was like no more of thisdepression anymore.
It was a being choice.
Now, the next morning, when Iwoke up, I went for a walk to
(16:19):
cry.
And as I was walking, crying, Isaw this amazing building with
red bricks and I was all of asudden attracted to this
building.
I didn't know why.
I went inside and there was allthese people dressed in white.
You know, they were kind ofdressed weird too.
I could have like been like oneon earth and just left, but I
didn't.
(16:39):
And I said you know, what areyou guys doing here?
And they said oh, we doKundalini yoga.
Would you like to have a?
You know, your first class isfree.
I'm like, okay.
So I sat down, I had my firstclass.
I cried my eyes out like a babyfrom beginning to end.
Douglas James Cottrell (16:56):
Oh my gosh.
Esra Ogut (16:57):
And though, in that very first class, I realized I'm
like, oh my god, I have so muchto heal, and I realized that I
was going to be in love withmyself for my inner child,
because I just Saw that innerchild, I saw how scared she is,
how hurt she is, how low she is.
And I realized that withoutfirst healing myself, without
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first coming back intorelationship of love with myself
, that nothing else in my lifewas going to work.
So that was kind of like thefirst, let's say, I would call
it kind of a revelation moment.
Douglas James Cottrell (17:35):
That's a pretty profound Understanding.
You came to, yeah, the lowestof the lowest point, that
somehow you're drawn to this bigred brick building.
Esra Ogut (17:48):
Yeah, but it was.
It was that decision the nightbefore like no way to this
Missouri anymore.
It was just like you knowanother way, or the highway,
that's it, but not this way.
And whenever we do that reallyfrom our heart, from our
beingness, everything changes.
I've seen.
(18:09):
I mean this is one of the majorthings we teach.
Douglas James Cottrell (18:12):
That's what I was just gonna say, and
you've incorporated some ofthese amazing lessons or wisdoms
that you've gained over thattime.
Tell us a little bit more howsomebody who might be at a
similar point, how they can findout more about you.
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Douglas James Cottrell (19:42):
So just before the break, I was asking
how people who have reached sucha point, a point of no return
let's call it to be positive howcan they come to you and gain
from your wisdom and experienceto help them in that turnaround
or pivotal point that's veryserious in life.
Esra Ogut (20:05):
Yeah, I will give the website.
Is that what you mean?
Douglas James Cottrell (20:11):
Yes, website, how to contact you, but
then what people can?
Esra Ogut (20:16):
give you.
First of all, I would say don'tcome until you have decided to
change your life, because beforethe person is ready and clear
about the change they want,actually no help really reaches.
Because the power of helpdoesn't ever come from the
(20:37):
outside, it always comes fromthe inside.
Once we decide we want to helpourselves, whether they end up
coming to me or a book hits someover the head with one sentence
like always, the help will beavailable.
So that's the thing.
Like we don't work, like Iwouldn't work with myself before
I arrived at the point that I'mtalking about, because I was in
(21:00):
a state of victim psychology.
I was stayed in feeling verysorry for myself, and as long as
we're in that psychology and wedon't choose to get out of it
first, nothing and nobody canhelp, period.
So unless you're decided, don'teven contact me briefly.
(21:21):
But if you have decided to getoutside of your box, it's
wwwikie and esraesranowcom.
You can get the email fromthere.
You can contact our assistant.
But my recommendation would beto read the book first, because
(21:43):
there's a lot of exercises thereand not everything resonates
with everybody.
Like they should read the book,see the information and if
there's a resonance then, ofcourse, welcome.
I'd be very happy to work withyou.
Douglas James Cottrell (22:00):
They can also come and see you.
At the Unlimited Me the journeybegins, I guess, conferences or
public events to meet you or tosee you and to listen to you as
well.
Esra Ogut (22:12):
Yes, I mean, what they can do is when they get on
our website, we have a placewhere they can give their emails
.
And once we have their emails,whenever we're doing a workshop
and we always do it on Zoom oron Instagram if it's just a
little kind of a podcastymeeting, we'll do it on
Instagram.
If it's a workshop, we'll do iton Zoom, and if it's a private
(22:34):
session, we do it on phone.
So usually we do everythingonline or on the phone rather
than in person.
Douglas James Cottrell (22:41):
Yeah, it makes sense and I know in
person is a whole differentambience and energy sharing and
things like that.
But Zoom and conferences onlineare the way the world's going
now and you can come with peopleall over, so that's how people
can find you and find out moreabout you through your website,
(23:05):
and I was quite impressed.
Don't come and see me until andI think that's true when you
get to that point where you'rewilling to do anything else.
You know, everything you'vedone up to this point obviously
hasn't worked.
Perhaps it's considered failure, but at that moment in time,
when people are ready, that'swhen you'll help them.
(23:26):
That's a pretty good point forpeople to know.
Esra Ogut (23:29):
That and also to realize that the frequency of
victim and the frequency ofsolution they're so far away
from one another that theycannot occupy the same space.
It's impossible.
So if you're going to be avictim, at least don't try to
look for a solution.
And if you want a solution, thenyou've got to drop the sense of
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feeling sorry for yourself,because that is like a huge cage
and I know it, I had it, I kindof lived it for a very big
chunk of my life and I can tellyou right now it doesn't work.
You know, it really doesn'twork.
And usually we have a victimpsychology that we stay and sit
with if we have some sort of abenefit from it, like we're
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trying to get sympathy fromother people or we're trying to
find a savior that's going tosave us or we need to hear
loving words from a person buteven if we get that very
temporarily, it's very temporary.
We can't really reach a realsolution.
So I love that saying.
I think it's maybe an Americansaying, maybe British, I don't
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know but God helps those thathelp themselves.
It's right there.
You've got to do that firststep.
Douglas James Cottrell (24:44):
I agree, people, they hear their prayer,
ask and you shall receive, andeverybody goes OK, I'm going to
pray, I'm going to ask foranything and say yes, but
there's two conditions Seek andyou shall find, knock and it
shall be open unto you.
And that means you have to goand do something yourself.
You have to make it happen.
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And so that's right.
God provides everything.
You just have to go and do it.
I mean, you had to get on thatplane, leave your boyfriend,
your family and Turkey behindand go to a country that you
never, ever, were at before.
And you did.
Esra Ogut (25:23):
And it's interesting that you bring that up, as you
just said it, because prior toactually going, I had, since
high school, wanted to go.
So I wanted and I wanted and Iyearned for it.
And I'm like, ah, it can neverhappen.
I wanted, I wanted, I keptremaining in the space of the
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one who wants, but about twomonths before I actually got on
the plane, all of a sudden Iswitched from being the person
who wants to being the personwho chooses, and that's what
made everything all of a suddenrealign Again.
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If we're going to go back to thebeing choice, it was a
five-minute second, afive-second decision.
I was pouring coffee from amachine in this workplace and I
remember thinking to myself likethis can't be my life.
I'm not going to do thisregular thing in Turkey, where
you graduate from university,you get a good job and then you
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get married and then you havebabies.
That's just not me.
And I said, oh my god, I don'tsee my life in Turkey, I see my
life in America.
And then I said you know whatI'm going, and it was a choice
with all of my being.
I wasn't anymore wanting, Imade a decision that you know,
no matter what the conditionswere, and I didn't have any
conditions going for me.
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I'm just going to go.
That's when the scholarshipcame, that's when the help came,
that's when the friend whom Icould say with came.
You see, all the problems gottaken care of once.
I decided to belong to thatreality being choice.
Douglas James Cottrell (27:02):
I found the same in my life.
It's exactly right.
You can want and want and want,you can try and try and try,
but until you decide, and thenthere's no doubt, then the
enthusiasm, the assurance you'redefinitely going to do it, and
then, as you just recounted,I've had that magically if I can
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call that magically all thesethings come to you to get you to
where you want to go.
So I guess that's part of whenyou also coach high profile
individuals.
You're very well known in thefield for what you do and, as
we're talking a little bit, someof the, I guess, the initial
steps for people to get to thatpoint, when it seems like
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everything's hopeless, you couldsay no, just choose.
And as you choose, and thenyou're willing to take the steps
.
You had to get on the plane,you had to buy the ticket, you
had to pack the bag, had to doall these things.
It just didn't arrive.
You had to do these thingsyourself and I believe in that
self-sustaining.
If you want something, if youcan do it yourself, go do it.
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That's your duty.
If you can't do it yourself,then there's always somebody to
help.
That's your responsibility totry to get that person to help
you and a combination of dutyand responsibility, you can
achieve everything.
I mean, you're a verysuccessful woman.
You're probably modest as well,but you've done a lot and I'm
not going to put you on the spotand say, what have you done.
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People can read your books andfind out more about you.
They don't need to be lazy.
They could find out a lot aboutyou and I encourage them to do
so, because people like you areleaders in the world.
You've gone through thedifficulties.
You've gained a wisdom andlife's experience so that when
you talk to people, when youteach people, you're teaching
from the heart, but also fromlife's experiences, so you're
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telling the truth.
It's not academic.
You know.
This is how I did it, so followalong.
So again, people with a websiteis a place to start and to buy
the book.
Again, you know, money doesgrow on trees.
How did you come up with thattitle?
I love it.
Esra Ogut (29:08):
Well, again, it was a being choice.
I don't know if last time wespoke I mentioned the story
maybe briefly, I don't remember,but I experienced.
I mean, my definition ofprosperity changed so much.
I really kind of arrived afterstruggling about money like, but
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so badly.
You know, it was always payingrent at the last time and not
knowing each month if I'mactually going to make rent, and
I had the shittiest apartmentwhich was a thousand dollar, you
know rent.
So it wasn't even a big wowapartment or anything, was the
bare minimum.
So after having you know this,when I grew into the prosperity
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consciousness, I realized thatprosperity is all around, it's
there all the time.
It's not a limited principle,it's a very unlimited principle.
But our belief systems aboutmoney and prosperity that all
life is hard or you can't getmuch unless you have to work, or
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you know money is the root ofall evil we have all kinds of
belief systems that we've comeup with as we were growing up,
as we were children.
That separates us from theprosperity that's all around.
So I was definitely on thattrain myself and I remember
after I met my husband, who thenlater became my husband, I was
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already in my mid 30s, I wasreally, really broke and I
realized that I didn't even havethe luxury of having a baby if
I wanted to, because I didn'thave enough money to take care
of a baby.
And at that moment, that thoughtso shocked me Again.
I made a being choice and Isaid I remember the moment again
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.
Being choices happen like infive seconds.
It doesn't take any longer thanthat, and I'm going to give an
exercise after this for peopleto activate that being power
that we actually all have.
You know, something we're bornwith.
We don't even need to be taught, we need to just remember.
I jumped to the middle of theliving room and I said to myself
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you know what?
I will never experience, everany problems in regarding money
again, I am choosing to belongto great prosperity.
I didn't know the how.
I wasn't the finance person.
I was more, like you know,artist person.
I had no idea about the how,but once I made that being
choice, just like the yoga, aweek later I met my life coach
(31:43):
and he was able to take me tothe memory where I decided I
don't know if I shared thismemory before Should.
Douglas James Cottrell (31:52):
I let's hear it again.
It's a wonderful story.
Esra Ogut (31:54):
Yeah, so I'm watching TV.
You know, I'm like seven oreight years old.
My grandmother has friends andthey're all talking about how
there was an arranged marriageand a young girl has been
married off to this very richdoctor who's 75, you know age of
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her grandfather and they'rethinking it's a good thing.
And I'm like sitting therewatching you know, pretending to
watch cartoon, like, like whatin my head?
Douglas James Cottrell (32:25):
This could happen to me.
Esra Ogut (32:26):
Oh, this could happen to me, you know exactly, and I
was like, no, this ain'thappening to me for sure.
But you know, there were just Imean, it's not how, how you
know even in Turkey that wasn'teven at that time that normal.
But you know, anyway, it wasjust this one example, but the
whole point is there like, ohgood, she did.
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Well, you know, it's importantto find a rich husband.
A woman should never follow,you know, her heart.
She should follow basicallystatus and money, otherwise
she's a stupid woman.
Douglas James Cottrell (32:58):
Oh gosh.
Esra Ogut (32:59):
And I'm listening to this and I'm like I remember
getting like shocked and scaredfrom this conversation and
feeling like, oh my God, likehow are these people going to be
?
You know the wayshowers of mylife and I remember being very
frustrated, I remember beingvery like not in agreement and
so, because I couldn't sayanything, I went to the bathroom
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, I shut the door, I looked atthe mirror and I said you know,
dear universe, I will alwaysfollow the way of love and I
will always say no to money.
Douglas James Cottrell (33:34):
There it was.
Esra Ogut (33:36):
So that was the belief system that created as a
seven year old and that is thatwas, exactly to the T, my
experience up to the age of 35,before I woke up to my own
programming and that, and that'swhy that juncture of waking up
to the program was so important,because up until that point I
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thought from my conscious mind Iwant to manifest prosperity.
But here I had this beliefsystem from a seven year old
girl that said love and moneycan't be experienced together.
You have to choose one or theother.
So I always went after jobs.
I loved countries I wanted tolive in.
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You see, I was very successfulin following the love, but the
love always came with beingpenniless, being in America,
being penniless, falling in lovewith guys that had no money.
If any wealthy person asked meout, it was a no, directly.
I didn't know why I was sayingno.
But really, when I went backand looked, any guy lost
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immediately if he had, if he hadmoney, you see, but it's all
unconscious, I would justinterpret as like I'm not
attracted to this person.
No, I'm not attracted to whyare you attracted to all the
poor ones?
You know, that's the reason forthat.
Douglas James Cottrell (34:56):
That's as I said.
That's an amazing story youtold me before and listening to
you tell it again, perhapsreliving it again.
You're telling the story.
That's fascinating.
The wisdom there is, if I canuse the word.
We self sabotage ourselves fromthese beliefs that those old
ladies were just going to be,they were talking foolish, but
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that imprinted on you as a young, impressionable young girl.
Esra Ogut (35:25):
No, no, no, actually didn't imprint on you, because
the exact imprint would havebeen I have to go after money
and rich man.
Douglas James Cottrell (35:32):
You see, excuse me All right.
Esra Ogut (35:35):
Even, even, even as a seven year old.
We're actually very free in ourchoosing in terms of what we
choose to conclude Right.
And then the rest of it wasexactly like I believed I
created my reality.
So I was very successful tocreate my reality as I believed
in.
It's just that I wasn'tremembering the belief system.
Douglas James Cottrell (35:58):
That's what you're teaching people is
to go back to that time and findit.
How do you do that?
How can you know what peoplediscover that?
Esra Ogut (36:07):
There are many ways, like through the coaching.
Through, you know, when youtalk to people in the coaching,
you get them to see how they'recontradicting themselves and
from that contradiction ofthemselves you just slow them
down.
From there you can enter andget them to fish out the belief
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system.
That's one way.
The other way that we use isdoing inner child work where,
for example, in my case, itwould have been that, say, if
inner child was being done to me, well, how do you feel about?
You know, money, I don't know.
There's an uncomfortable feeling.
Where is it in your body, in myheart?
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Well, ask, when did I firstmeet this feeling?
And then, from there, yourconsciousness, usually with the
right direction, will take youto the memory where you first
made up your mind aboutsomething.
This could be about men, itcould be about marriage, it
could be about prosperity, butin that sense I don't.
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I absolutely don't believethere's such a thing as
self-sabotage.
We're all experiencing verysuccessfully and to the T,
whatever we have chosen tobelieve in the past.
But these beliefs are often thebelief of a six-year-old,
seven-year-old, eight-year-old,nine-year-old, and that's the
problem.
Douglas James Cottrell (37:33):
Well, since we spoke last, you've
taught me a lesson or two and Istarted to look back at some of
the things, and one of myproblems is people pleasing.
Esra Ogut (37:44):
Oh.
Douglas James Cottrell (37:45):
How is it that you can get meaning
generically?
How could people?
I think it's widespread.
How can you overcome peoplepleasing?
I sort of know how, but in away that people are listening to
this, I'm sure there are manypeople.
They can't say no, everybodycomes first, they pay themselves
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last, they're unsure abouttheir own success or ability to
achieve, they always defer tosomebody else.
So I take that as peoplepleasing.
But because it's reallyimportant for people to say this
woman has walked the walk,she's been there.
So I guess what I saw.
(38:30):
Do you find people pleasing asone of those?
You can choose and say no, buthow do you choose not to people?
Please, to become sort of meanand nasty?
I'm kidding, I'm just puttingthat out there.
Esra Ogut (38:39):
Being nasty.
Well, I think one of theunderstandings is to realize
first of all, that aim of tryingto please everybody is a
delusion.
Something like that is not evenpossible, even like it just
doesn't exist.
It can't be done.
So when we have an aim to beginwith that is an absolute
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impossibility, then weconstantly drop ourselves back
into this pattern and sense ofI'm not good enough, because
obviously, if you're chasing agoal that's impossible, you're
constantly going to feel extraI'm not good enough.
Now, people are alwaysexperiencing us according to
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their belief systems.
So let's say, for somebody it'sa great thing to laugh and they
see me while talking to youlaughing.
They're going to be like oh,you know, she's so joyous, how
nice.
But let's say, according toanother one, laughing too much
is equivalent of not being veryserious or, you know, being the
real important thing.
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Well then that person is goingto judge me like, oh my God,
what a loser she is.
You see what I mean.
But I'm being the same person,of course.
So you know, in a way, otherpeople's opinions in that sense
don't matter.
But I think I mean I had, oh, Iwas a total people pleaser
myself.
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I needed approval right, leftand center, like I was so the
queen of it, and I still haveresidues, if it sometimes it'll
come up, you know, unexpectedly.
But I've overcome in a very,very big amount.
But I still definitely haveresidues and I, you know, work
on myself too.
But having a high degree ofthat again comes from a very
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childlike psychology, when wehaven't overcome needing the
approval of our parents to exist, you know, because we
definitely needed their approvalto go to our fence party or
whatever be able to, you know,not be grounded or do something.
But there comes a point whenthe authority has to leave the
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side of the parents, hopefullyas early as our teenage hood,
but since we're not coached orcoaxed in that way, it usually
happens way later and to decideagain, make a being choice to
bring the authority back insideand the only way to penetrate
that is making it okay thatpeople don't like us.
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I mean there's always people whodon't like us, you know.
But that pain of not beingliked or that pain of not being
loved, I have found in my lifethat it's because I wasn't
giving it to myself.
So I took a very big, longjourney of doing all these
techniques to approve myself, tolove myself.
And the more that approval ofthe self, approval of the love
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grew well, the less you need itfrom the outside.
You're just like oh, whatever,you know, if somebody doesn't
like you, they have a right andyou can still keep liking them
because really it's not evenpersonal.
Douglas James Cottrell (41:49):
I think that's a very good lesson for
people to learn.
Wherever you go, even in church, there are people who don't
like you because you're too tall, too short, too thin, too thick
, too smart, too stupid.
But that's their values andother people's values.
You shouldn't accept them orimpose them upon yourself.
Loving yourself is basicallysaying well, that's their
(42:09):
opinion.
You know, and whatever theirinfluence is upon you, you
become Teflon.
But sensitive people you knowit's hard to get over that and
you and I are people like us arevery sensitive or astute.
Esra Ogut (42:25):
But again, inner child work is great for that
integration to happen, like togo back and give that approval
to our child's self from all thetimes and directions.
We didn't get that and I had awhole, like you know, truckload
of that, starting with, you know, being hated by a whole school
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was an eight year old, I meanman for a year.
Announcer (42:48):
That was tough.
Esra Ogut (42:51):
That was really tough .
Douglas James Cottrell (42:52):
It's so bad, oh my gosh.
And you know.
Kudos to you for being so braveto go back to school every day,
knowing the next day it's goingto be the same, oh my God.
But somewhere along the lineyou mentioned that you had a
mentor who showed up, and thementor was a long time in your
life, and your husbands as well,and I think that's how you met,
(43:13):
so to speak.
But it's important that peoplehave a mentor like yourself who
you can instill incrementally.
People can't change overnight.
I think we have to establishthat you can.
Esra Ogut (43:24):
Oh yeah.
Douglas James Cottrell (43:26):
But that one thing when you get to that
point of no return and youdecide you choose, this is what
you're going to be, it's likegetting out of bed, right?
That moment comes when you'rein bed and it's hard to get out
of bed.
You know it's a struggle.
But to come some moment you say, okay, I have to put my foot on
the floor.
And for me that's how I relate,that, okay, when I would go
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someplace I confess this when Iwould have a trip, I'd be going
to Spain, or I would go toPoland or Norway, or someplace I
would.
The day would come, I have to,you know, the bags packed or
almost packed, and I have toleave, I would procrastinate, I
wouldn't want to go.
I would, you know, like, oh no,I don't want to go to the
(44:11):
airport, the immigration, thesecurity, the taxis, the
struggle, if you will.
And then I would say okay, tomy bed, I'm coming back in two
weeks, you'll be here and I'lltell you all about my trip.
And this is my first step.
And I would take that firststep in my bedroom.
And from there on, it was okay,and I think that's how I see my
(44:34):
whole life.
There was that struggle toinitiate or get started, but as
soon as I said I'm taking thatfirst step, there was no looking
back, there was no holding back.
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Douglas James Cottrell (46:02):
Welcome back, my friends.
You're listening to thisamazing lady, esra Ogart.
Oh God, sorry, I'll say itagain.
Esra Ogut (46:12):
No, you said it great , you said it great.
Douglas James Cottrell (46:14):
Okay, then I won't get Paul to edit it
out, so it's just struggle.
Life is always a struggle and Ican remember trying to learn
how to ride a bicycle.
It was a struggle.
I can remember trying to put myfootball outfit on.
I didn't know how the equipmentwent.
It was a struggle.
Everything in life is astruggle and when you make that
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point and you say okay, and fromthat moment on, after you say
okay, you take that step, it'sno longer a struggle, it's your
choice, you have nothing.
There's no reservations, nomental reservations, there's
nothing holding you back.
But doing the next thing,what's keeping I call it, what's
keeping me back or what'sholding me back?
Oh, I need, I need to getdressed.
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Oh, I need to pack the bag, youknow that kind of thing.
So, as people come to you, Iguess the question is how do you
help them get past that pointthat, as a mentor or somebody
assessing, your question.
Esra Ogut (47:18):
Yeah, how do you get?
Well, first of all, we explainto them very well how the ego
works, how it's a very importantfunction.
It's not anything to get rid of.
But it's a very because I mean,this is the thing like people
bad mouth ego, rate right, leftand center, especially the
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spiritual circles, and it's like, well, if it wasn't meant to be
there, we wouldn't have had itas a mechanism.
So ego is like the anchor of aship.
Once we make a choice, like inmy case, money and love don't go
together was one choice.
Being in pure misery for a verylong time was another choice.
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What happens is the egoimmediately comes and
encapsulates that belief systemso that we can experience it as
a reality.
Another way to explain it islet's say, we're the programmer
on a computer.
We put a program in.
It's our choice.
It's not even an imprint.
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Even as a child, we have a freechoice.
The way I can express thatbefore I continue is if we
didn't have free choice, everysibling from the same family
would be exactly the same.
Douglas James Cottre (48:39):
Absolutely .
Esra Ogut (48:39):
That's the evidence of it.
So we put a program into thecomputer.
The ego is the database wherethat program is kept for us, so
that we keep watching the samescreen until we change with a
new being choice.
What new thing we're going tobelieve in Now, the moment we
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get outside of our box I mean,if this were my box right now
the minute I'm like deciding toget out through changing my
belief system which, forprosperity for me, was like, oh
my God.
You know, my whole financiallife up until my mid 30s has
been run by the mind of a sevenyear old.
This is ridiculous.
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Of course, love and prosperitycan be together.
The minute I make this beingchoice, the very first thing my
ego is going to do is try tokeep me back in the old reality.
It's going to try to keep me inthe box.
That's when the struggle starts, when where we want to go is
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this direction and we have abelief system that's lying in
the opposite direction.
The ego is there to sustain theold reality in place.
It's going to fight you veryhard as you're trying to make
that change, as you're trying tostep outside of the box.
One very good exercise is tolearn to talk with your ego like
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you would to a child.
Again, to retrain your ego, notaccording to the old reality
but according to the new reality.
Retraining the ego, talking toyour ego, learning not to take
your ego too seriously while itchatters away, maybe saying, oh,
(50:30):
you need approval, you needapproval, or hey, you know what?
Again, you're not good enough.
You're not good enough, it'sjust chattering.
It's just how a three, four,five-year-old version of you
felt.
You don't have to take itseriously If you want to change
it.
You got to talk to it, you gotto relate to it.
That's how you change thedatabase.
(50:51):
Renew it On your computerscreen.
You can begin to watch a newreality.
Again, it's with practice.
Douglas James Cottrell (51:00):
You have to repeat that often, I would
think, because you don't justchange, you're just like a
process.
Esra Ogut (51:07):
My husband.
When we first met, he was anextremely jealous guy and he
realized very early on that I'mnot up for a relationship of
jealousy, because I wanted toexperience a relationship based
on trust.
His story was coming from hismother, something about his
mother choosing another childthat he thought she loved more,
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or something like that, where hemade a decision if you don't
hold your mother's hand orcontrol your mother's love, then
you're in trouble.
It's again seven eight-year-oldchild actually trying to have a
relationship which isn't goingto work very successfully, not
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with a lady like you.
Douglas James Cottrell (51:53):
That for sure.
Esra Ogut (51:56):
So he was very smart and he said you know, I'm going
to get out of this jealousy.
Well, I remember he would talkto his ego in the way that we
teach 10, 15 times a day, butyou know what, In six months he
was a complete non-jealousperson.
There are people who experiencethat for lifetimes and
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lifetimes, over and over again.
He was done in six months.
Douglas James Cottrell (52:23):
I congratulate him.
I find jealousy is one of thegreatest difficulties to
overcome, because jealousy willmake you allow you to do really
bad things.
Somehow you justify them inyour mind and it's terrible.
But jealousy not that I'msaying it's the thing, but it's
one of the top difficulties toovercome and I congratulate him
(52:47):
for that.
Wow, you know, it's amazing howwonderful we are as beings, how
multifaceted we are, and Ithink the awakening comes when
we begin to understand thatwe're multifaceted and that we
can love ourselves, coachourselves, talk to ourselves.
(53:10):
But I think that we need amentor to start.
There has to be somebody toshow you the way, to reassure
you, to give you a few wordsthat you can nibble on to
improve yourself.
I'm assuming you would agreewith that.
Esra Ogut (53:25):
Well, that has definitely been my experience as
well, because we worked with mymentor both of us, our mentor,
darryl Rutherford, by the way,you know.
May he rest in peace.
He lived till he was 98, wasstill writing books until his
very last breath.
You know, I would advise peopleto check him out as well.
(53:47):
We were with him for 20 years,every week, every week, every
week.
And this is the thing.
It's not like we don't have thepower to self-transform, but
the trouble is that we have theego who's trying to sustain
whatever was our latest reality,and the ego is very good at
(54:09):
keeping us in that illusion andnot letting us jump into a new
reality.
So, since we are our own ego24-7, it's very important to
have the help of someone elsethat's outside of our box.
Douglas James Cottrell (54:24):
I agree.
I think that you know you needsomebody to say have you thought
of this way when you weretalking about ego?
I'm agreeing that I've heardmany times.
You have to kill the ego.
The ego has to be a sass andyou have to put it down.
I turn that around and I sayyou have to have a good ego.
You're not supposed to beegotistical, but you have to
(54:44):
have a pretty sound personalityimage of yourself.
You have to be you and in partof learning not to people please
and part of my career, mycharacter's been assassinated.
I've been challenged by peoplewho don't know me, they don't
like me, they've never heard ofme or should have never met me.
(55:06):
And so, coming to thatself-assurance, you know, and
I'm relating to a lot of thingsof my life, as you were going
through your life and thosetimes as a child, being very
sensitive and saying that's notright, you know, but I don't
want to belabor the point butgoing to school every day
knowing you're going to be hated, god bless you.
(55:26):
That was courageous.
Esra Ogut (55:29):
That was hard, but yeah, it's so funny.
Ego in Latin means I, so peoplewho say the ego has to be put
down, the ego has to beassassinated.
If you take the word ego andput there what it really means I
have to be assassinated, I needto be put down Look at like
(55:51):
what a relationship ofself-aggression that turns on
into.
Douglas James Cottrell (55:57):
Very well said.
Esra Ogut (55:58):
Yeah, so people, I mean I look at people who have
that concept that the ego is bad, and really I haven't yet found
one who has that idea and has apeaceful, harmonious, loving
relationship with the self.
Douglas James Cottrell (56:12):
I never met one myself.
Usually they become bitter.
They think they've been takingadvantage all their life.
They have been victimizedbecause a giver always meets a
taker.
And it's impossible.
It's impossible.
Sooner or later they stand upand they throw out all the books
and all the when they get itand they get to that point, they
(56:34):
say that's all baloney.
Esra Ogut (56:37):
Exactly.
Douglas James Cottrell (56:38):
Be first .
Esra Ogut (56:39):
Douglas, you're so right about throwing all those
books out the window and abouthow these kind of journeys take
a while.
I mean again in the Americanpublic, I see that like
everything needs to be fast,fast, fast.
Give me the nine steps, give methe five, whatever's principles
, and it just doesn't work thatway, because people are
(57:00):
confusing knowledge with theconsciousness of that knowledge.
Just because you hear awonderful wisdom in your life
and you resonate with it and youagree with it and it lifts you
higher, doesn't mean justbecause you have the information
, that you have it in yourconsciousness.
Now, for that information totransform into your
(57:22):
consciousness just likeeverything else, it takes
practice.
It's again over and over.
You make mistakes, you get out,and then you understand this
perspective, that perspective,until it becomes to as natural
as the air we're breathing.
Then it becomes a part of youand then that information
(57:42):
because now it's in yourconsciousness works.
Otherwise it doesn't.
It's just intellectual.
Douglas James Cottrell (57:47):
That's right.
Knowledge without experience,it's just academic.
But knowledge plus experienceequals wisdom, absolutely right.
Very well said, I think, theway people are listening to this
show right now.
If they have any questions,they can go to your website,
(58:09):
ikandesranowcom.
Okay.
So I encourage everybody to goto the website first.
And you've got more than onebook.
I assume you must have a ton ofbooks out there, but the one
we're talking about today ismoney does grow on trees.
The myths we create and live by.
Esra Ogut (58:29):
No, actually I just have that one book.
I haven't written a second oneyet.
Douglas James Cottrell (58:35):
I must be intuitive or clairvoyant,
seeing a whole bunch of books ona shelf here yellow ones, brown
ones, purple.
Maybe, In sort of a summary waywhat are your future projects,
workshops and what's coming up?
Esra Ogut (58:53):
Well, right now we're very busy with doing our
certification program.
That's a very long program fora year and a half long but for
our Turkish clients, next year,in 2024, we want to open one
long workshop about prosperity,where it's going to be kind of
like a nine month journey inEnglish, and after that one,
(59:18):
probably somewhere towards theend of 2024, I want to open up
the life coaching certificationprogram in English, because
that's what we love to do andthe transformations we see of
people there are just absolutelyamazing.
So those are the two things wehave in line wanting to ground
(59:40):
for 2024 in the language ofEnglish.
Douglas James Cottrell (59:44):
Well, I'm happy to hear that, because
I don't speak any other languagereally well, so it gives me
hope.
Well, listen, it's been justdelightful to once again have a
visit with you and to find outmore about your amazing life.
I'm sure anybody who's listenedto this has any part of their
(01:00:04):
life that they can relate tosome of the things you've gone
through.
They can take hope from this.
People who are way showers,pathfinders, lights in the world
, go through the struggle, as itsays in the good book, the way
to self-realization or toempowering yourself spiritually.
(01:00:25):
It's through long suffering andthere's no other way.
You know that this rite ofpassage is going through.
All the times that you, if youlook back, all the difficulties,
they've taught you something.
They've reshaped you.
You're the person you are todaybecause of these times, and I'm
going to remind everybody, youhad a near-death experience.
(01:00:47):
Did that reshape your thinkingtoo?
From that time, that experience, that time you almost drowned.
Esra Ogut (01:00:54):
Of course I mean.
Since I spoke about it lasttime, I was like you know, maybe
like one time is enough, but ofcourse I mean I of course it
did.
Yeah, it was a drowningexperience where, just as I was
Not able to come up to thesurface of the water, I Heard on
my right ear this is a dreamand you're about to wake up.
(01:01:17):
So I was for sure, on my wayout.
I was about 16 or 17, and eventhat drowning experience though
in retrospect it wasn't just acoincidence I had, since I was
again in my miserable cycles.
At the time there was kind of afeeling of like oh, I don't
(01:01:39):
want to be on the planet, Idon't want to be on the planet,
I don't want to be on the planetwas my inner mantra.
So I almost got that.
Wow and.
You know, when I heard thatvoice though this is the dream,
meaning the earth plane andYou're about to wake up I went
from fear to kind of like aremembrance.
(01:01:59):
It's like, oh, that's right,home Isn't here.
You know, as Jesus would say,be in this world, but not of it.
So I kind of like immediatelywoke up to the not-oftenest part
and all of a sudden forget thefear.
There was kind of like a weirdexcitement almost within me, and
One of the lessons was I sawvery, very like fast, little
(01:02:26):
parts, fragments of my life whenI either gave love or received
love or gave love, and Iremember thinking like, oh my
god, this love vibration is soimportant.
No matter how ridiculous we'rebeing on the planet let's say, a
murder, a rapist or whatever,even if we're in that role, the
essence of who we are is Love,and that's true for everyone,
(01:02:51):
every single one of us.
So there was a remembrance ofthat, and Then I remember
feeling extremely connected toeverything.
I kind of left the body and Iwas a part of the wave, a part
of the cloud, the sky,everything, zero fear, so much
love, so much harmony and somuch expansion, and Also the
(01:03:14):
realization, not just for me,but for all of us, that what we
look for is Ourselves.
We are the fabric of what wecall God.
God and us are one, and therewas a complete Remembrance of
that because I was all knowing,all fearless, all seeing.
But I'm not like that in theregular earth, and Everyone I
(01:03:39):
know is that way too, in theirreality, and awakened self on
the other side.
So it was this incredible,incredible freedom.
And the very last thought Iremember having was like ah, how
did I forget this?
How did I forget this?
How to like, how does oneforget all of this?
I wish I could go back to theplanet.
(01:04:02):
I thought, now that I remember,and Before I could even
complete the thoughts, bam, Iwas back in the body.
The struggle was finished.
I immediately, like gracefully,got lifted out of the water.
Another big wave came, the onethat had taken me under before,
but I was like I knew it wasn'tgonna do anything to me.
(01:04:25):
So, like the Moana movieCartoon, the wave came and I
knew it would do that.
It just like took me andcarried me to the shore, and
then, of course, I ran for mylife and I felt like a newborn
baby.
I mean, the Sun was beautiful,the Sun was amazing, the sea was
like heaven, and I had thislike three days of absolute
(01:04:47):
delirium, of like so muchecstasy.
And so the remembrance was nomatter what victim role we're
playing, no matter what kind ofmischief we're up to as a role
on this planet, our true senses,our true Identity is love, and
(01:05:07):
we are all the part of the onecreator.
Douglas James Cottrell (01:05:10):
My guest today has been Esra.
Oh God, the website is hike.
And Esra, now calm.
I've been your host, douglasJames Cottrell.
Until next time, remember thejourney doesn't end now, it's
just beginning.
I wish you health, wealth,peace of mind, peace and
prosperity.
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