Stepping into the unknown, your host, Douglas James Cottrell, invites you on an extraordinary journey with our gifted guest, Barbara With. Renowned as a remarkable medium, Barbara opens up about her life-changing experiences that transformed her from a young songwriter to an incredible communicator for spirits. Brace yourself as she recounts her astonishing experiences of playing the piano, writing songs, and her early interactions with the spirit world - a world that has allowed her to connect with the likes of Albert Einstein.
A pivotal point in Barbara's story is her encounter with the Psychic Sorority in 1993. This was no ordinary meeting - voices claimed to be angels, not only acknowledged her supernatural abilities but also assigned her a monumental mission for world peace. Barbara will take us through her life-altering experiences of conversing with famous personalities from beyond the grave. Listen as she retells her conversations with the spirit of Princess Diana and Albert Einstein, including Einstein's profound insights about his Unified Field Theory. This theory reveals the intricate connection between human consciousness and our physical world in ways you've never heard before.
Lastly, Barbara generously offers guidance on exploring your spiritual path. She shares the importance of patience, skepticism, openness, and utilizing your imagination. As we delve deeper into the supernatural realm, we'll discuss the significance of the Russell Einstein Manifesto and introduce you to our free online Conflict Revolution classes. So, join us on this awe-inspiring journey into the world of Barbara Witt, and experience the extraordinary intersection of the living and the deceased, discussing world peace and our shared consciousness. Prepare to have your mind opened and your beliefs challenged as we embark on this exceptional exploration of life, death, and the spaces in between.
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Douglas James Cottrell (00:43):
Well, welcome to the program again.
My friends, I have a wonderfulguest today who's going to tell
us all about what it's like totalk to Albert Einstein and
other famous people.
I'm joined with Barbara Withtoday, who is a medium
extraordinaire and she has beenpracticing her abilities, her
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work, for a long time, so shehas great experience.
And again, we're all curiousabout that question is there
life after death?
Well, I certainly believe so.
I think anybody that isconvinced they have a soul would
also believe that.
But today we're going to getsome evidence about that.
So I'm going to say welcome tothe show, Barbara.
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It's great to have you heretoday.
Barbara With (01:31):
Thank you, douglas .
It's so great to be here.
I love, love, love having thesekinds of conversations and
everybody wants to have themmore and more right now.
So my intuitive gift startedwith music.
When I was very young, had akind of supernatural ability to
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climb up on the piano and figureout how to play the piano and
then by 12, I was writing songs,these kind of goth folk songs.
This is the 70s, 60s, 70s andand to me that was later on I
figured out that's channeling.
I would go into some spacewhere I like, outer space and
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listen and I would hear thesongs already written and I
would listen for them andremember them and bring them
back.
So how I transitioned from thatto being knowing that I talked
to Albert Einstein is kind of anepic lifetime journey that I'd
like to try to condense downinto a short time, but bear with
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me if I if it gets a littleconvoluted.
There's so many moving parts toit.
I was this extraordinary youngsongwriter and during high
school I ended up going to seemy friend.
Mike had a mom named Eunice whogave readings, air quotes.
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We didn't call her a channeler,it's she.
He just said come and see whatmy mom can do.
So here was his beautifulBuddha, like mother, who sat
before this picture of Jesus andlit a candle and said, just
kind of went out of her and hervoice changed and she said the
most amazing, divine, insightful, inspiring things about me and
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the music and where I was goingwith it and what it was meant
and the healing power of themusic.
And so I had an experience ofgoing to see a psychic when I
was young, but she didn't talkto anybody, she would just said
she was an antenna and she wouldgo into outer space and she
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would listen for my higher power, what I wanted to ultimately
tell myself.
So that's how I grew up,knowing it.
Douglas James Cottrell (03:56):
Well, that's interesting.
So she kind of told you thequestion before you asked it,
because your high self was sortof giving her the nudge or or
some indication.
Wow, how old were you when thatwas going on?
Barbara With (04:10):
I think my first reading I was probably 16.
And I'd been writing music forfor three or four years in
response to, I must say, a veryhellish childhood.
I had a lot of abuse anddissociation and all of that
ugly.
There was no place in my familywhere there was, but in any
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case I was taking it out inthese songs that I was writing
and she was able to give me some.
I mean, I'm 16.
My father's long gone, mymother's working 60 hours a week
and an alcoholic anyway, soshe's giving me some spiritual
guidance that I could figure outfor myself.
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I didn't go to church and Ididn't really have a family per
se that I could spiritually besafe with, so so it was self
learning as you go.
Douglas James Cottrell (05:07):
Did you feel alienated?
Did you feel like on your own,like sort of like alone in a
crowd, kind of thing?
Barbara With (05:13):
I mean as far as an upbringing.
Douglas James Cottrell (05:15):
Yeah.
Barbara With (05:17):
Yeah, I was the baby of four and my mother and
father fought, from the momentlong before I was born,
viciously at each other and hewas sexually abusive and
emotionally abusive and theywere both alcoholics and she was
a speed freak in the fifties.
You know diet pills and we allpicked up just terrible,
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horrible self images and beingsubjected to that much screaming
and yelling and people justfighting to the bitter end,
everybody getting as ugly asthey can.
Douglas James Cottrell (05:52):
So I've heard other musicians, like
Johnny Cash, who said that heheard in his dream one of his
songs where the trumpets wereplaying.
And so he wrote the song and hehired three musicians to come
in and play the trumpet and theysaid what should we do?
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He said, well, you'll figure itout, just listen to the song.
And so they went over and I'msorry I can't remember the title
of that song that it was veryfamous and very popular, but it
had the trumpets in thebackground and basically it was
from his dream or something.
He, I think in a way similar towhat you do, channel that
information.
So, as you're writing songs andyou're getting information from
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the ethers, how, when was thatfirst time you made the leap, if
I can call it that, to gettingin contact with a?
I like to call them ghostpeople.
You know disease that's my termfor it but can you remember how
that happened the first time orhow you got?
Was it a surprise or was itsomething you will attempt to do
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?
Barbara With (07:01):
Well, as far as becoming a channel like Eunice
was, I did that before beforethe ghost people.
I started automatic writingspontaneously and knew what it
was, but obviously.
But when I asked them who theywere, they just said sound.
Douglas James Cottrell (07:26):
So you're pulling information from
the ethers, if I can call itthat, or from beyond your own
intellect, and you did that fora long time, I guess.
And was it become like a dailypractice or it was natural for
you?
Barbara With (07:41):
Well, I started giving readings all those many
years ago.
Douglas James Cottrell (07:45):
Really Wow.
Barbara With (07:46):
In 1987, I started giving readings and I nobody
people came, it was all referral.
I just I gave a couple ofpeople readings and said, hey,
if you know, refer people,people would come maybe twice a
year and nobody ever reallytalked much about what was said
(08:06):
actually in the reading and Idon't really remember people's
readings in that way.
But in 1993, I wanted to do agroup channel because I was
really into Edgar Cayce and JaneRoberts both both channels in
their own nature, and I wantedto know what these voices of we
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because when I would channel itwould be we would say to a bunch
of people and I couldn't findanybody within my circle that I
was already working with.
But then started to come thesewomen first came Teresa, and
then she sent Jeanine and thenshe sent, and so there were like
five or six referral women whohad come for private readings.
(08:53):
And then they sent Kim and whenKim came my energy level of the
reading was significantlythrough the roof.
I was like talking a mile aminute and blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah and Kim took herreading, went home, transcribed
it and then called me to ask meto talk about what did it mean?
(09:13):
What does this mean.
What does that mean?
And this is the first timeanybody had ever done such a
thing, and I was fascinated.
Well, I don't know, let's talkabout it.
So they were the first groupreading that I did in December
of 1993.
We call ourselves the psychicsorority and we started meeting
on a regular basis and I wouldchannel for the group, we would
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record them, transcribe them andmake those transcripts
available to whoever we hadcalled in that day or who was
ever there to be a part of thisinformation.
And so that December 1993transcript is the first time I'd
ever really listen to what theinformation that was coming out
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of me.
What is this, what is thisreally all about?
And it rapidly turned intosomething.
I had no idea what.
And so they told us right fromthe beginning you're on a
mission and we have arevolutionary way to resolve
conflict that we need to test onyou For world peace.
(10:26):
We call it world peace, oneperson at a time, starting with
self as an antidote for worldpeace.
And we need some humans to testthis revolutionary way to
resolve conflict with unrealconflicts.
And when Kim and Teresa askedwho are you in a reading, they
(10:50):
said you can call us angels,thank you.
Douglas James Cottrell (10:54):
Wow, you have this sorority or this
group of invisible friends, if Icould say that is for people
listening to this who might not,might be kind of wondering what
is you talking about?
Kind of thing you know, becausea lot of people this is very
foreign to them and the idea oftalking to deceased people
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there's always a fear thatyou're being misguided by the
dark side or the negative side.
But it seems to me you wentthrough a transition of being
somewhat, you know, outside yourfamily and at a troubled home,
which a lot of the people I'veinterviewed have had
difficulties, experiences ontheir own and been very poor,
(11:36):
slept in cars, had trauma intheir early life, but it seems
to be a consistent I don't knowif that's that's the case for
everybody, but there seems to bea lot of this inward looking
sort of a sense of as a childwondering about justice, and
this isn't the way it's supposedto be.
But you went through thisevolution of reaching out at
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automatic writing, which againfor people to explain that it's
kind of getting information inyour hand, those that are
writing, and you don't thinkabout the word, so to speak, and
then you read it later, whatyou wrote, if that's what you're
yes exactly.
That's my understanding of it.
I don't do it myself, so, butanyway, you were expert at that.
(12:18):
And then, surprise, you do thisgroup reading and everybody's
absolutely amazed at theinformation you're getting, and
then you have to read it backyourself to find out what you
said.
Well, that's astounding as faras the average person would say.
So, as you're doing this,obviously there's a group of
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people interested in what you'resaying.
It's meaningful, they're comingback for more research.
And then you have this missionto go on of world peace,
starting with one person at atime, which I love.
I think that's just an amazinginitiation, if you will, of
people doing this.
How did you make the transitionto talking to some of the
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famous people and did they havethe same intention of speaking,
if they will, through you to geta message, like Albert Einstein
?
How did that happen?
Barbara With (13:10):
Well, the three of us, Kim and Theresa and I,
published our diaries about thattime, about our first initial
time together.
We published them in 1997,diaries of a Psychic Sorority.
And at that time I had an agent, a literary agent, and a
tabloid in London reached out toher, a paranormal sort of
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metaphysical tabloid, who waslooking for an interview with
Princess Diana from Beyond theGrave on the one-year
anniversary of her death.
And you asked me, how did I getfrom an antenna?
Well then we went to Angels,which we could talk about in a
second.
My skepticism even of what doesthat mean?
(13:56):
How do we know any of this?
But to speak to people who hadpassed on, that started
happening to me.
A friend of mine, my firstfriend who ever died, died and
there was a significant shift inmy ability to communicate.
But these were her friends whohad passed on, or Kim's mother
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who had passed, not like me,pretending I could go to some
famous person and talk andinterview them.
That sounded a little gratuitousalmost to me and kind of not
what I was about, like cheapseeking.
But I thought about it andthought about it and I thought,
well, what will it hurt to try?
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I have a big imagination and soI'll just do it.
So I sat down and in automaticwriting, what you sort of do is
you get out of your head a bit,you just get out of the way.
What I do is I make my egovoice, that you know that, that
I imagine it really tiny andit's sitting in a little chair,
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so there's all this room, andthen I just imagine and I let
whatever comes through me,because at this point you can't
be wrong about it.
You're not going to.
It's not something that I thinkwould overtake you if some
demon came in.
It's not like that at all.
It's more like imagination,trusting your imagination.
(15:27):
So I imagine I was talking toher.
I saw apparently was channelingthe questions and the answers
and I typed them and I printedit and I went to read it and
that was when I started to getthis feeling that there was
something more here, because itwas very profound and had some
very detailed information.
But what's most profound isthat her whole message is about
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peace, that if all the 40million people who put flowers
on her grave would make peace,that we could get to world peace
.
And because of that the tabletdidn't really want it.
They wanted to know aboutCharles and Camilla.
Douglas James Cottrell (16:08):
I wanted that dirt on the couple and the
rumors and that you know, likethat, most watering details
about the intimacies between theroyal family members and the
whatever, whatever you know,Camilla and her friend, et
cetera.
I could see that that would beexciting, but that's not what
you're all about.
It gives it sort of a tone ofbeing genuine, so to speak.
Barbara With (16:33):
And Diana, diana would never.
It took me all this time I didthat interview in 1998, took me
till this year to realize shenever would have said anything
about them.
Anyway, that's who she was.
She would not have mentionedthem in her space because she
was and wouldn't go there.
(16:54):
And I love that.
I love that about her.
Douglas James Cottrell (16:56):
But we're all waiting for you to
come up with some secret.
So, in lieu of that, what wasit that she said about peace?
I mean encouraging people tohave world peace and putting
that energy of remorse and griefin a positive way forward to
help people.
What would she actually havesaid that you could tell her
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audience?
Barbara With (17:20):
about peace.
Douglas James Cottrell (17:21):
Yes.
Barbara With (17:23):
Oh well, after she told us in great detail what
she and Dodie were at odds aboutin their relationship, which is
also very intriguing.
Douglas James Cottrell (17:36):
That's the point I'd like you to
elaborate on.
Everybody wants to know aboutthat, Well what she?
Barbara With (17:41):
said was no, what she said was they were.
They kind of had this argumentbecause she did not want to be
worshiped.
She did not want to beworshiped and he was an Arab man
who has had a culture behindhim as well, as he worshiped her
.
And so she said, when we wereout to dinner that night we were
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having this kind of playfulconversation, but it was all
about how I don't want to beworshiped.
Douglas James Cottrell (18:12):
Well, does that ever make sense?
Wow, I know.
Barbara With (18:15):
And I could relate to it.
Not that people rush all overthe world to worship me, but
I've been in dynamics ofsituations where somebody has a
little bit of worshipy thinggoing on and like you don't want
it anyway, but of course Diana,of course she would not want to
be worshiped, her, in where shewas at that time and she made
some predictions about the boysthat they weren't.
(18:39):
You know, it wasn't a greatdeal of brain surgery in them,
but she just talked about theirnatures and how Harry, it's
Harry and William, right, Isthat it?
I can't remember.
Douglas James Cottrell (18:53):
Harry and yeah.
Barbara With (18:56):
That the younger one was gonna be much more like
her, much more emotionally, andthe older one was gonna follow
in.
You know, charles is more likein Charles's way, but they were
gonna make this kind of switchwhen they got older and you'd
see them going and doing a lotof work for the world.
So there's a lot of stuff thatI can't remember right off the
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top of my head.
But it was really profound toread all that and think that
maybe this was really, but whynot?
Maybe there's more.
My agent and I decided to seeif there were more more famous
dead people who wanted to talkto me.
Douglas James Cottrell (19:36):
And you got to Albert Einstein.
Barbara With (19:39):
Well, we made a list and, oddly enough, he
wasn't on the first list.
Douglas James Cottrell (19:43):
Who would say, let's see Albert
Einstein, let's channel him?
No, I'd be thinking MarilynMonroe.
I'd be.
You know some.
You know other world famouspeople.
You know maybe Henry.
Gandhi.
Yeah, you know so well how didthat happen?
How did Albert show up?
Barbara With (20:03):
Well, now, remember by this time this is
1998, we had been the three ofus in the psychic sorority, had
been giving these step-by-stepinstructions for world peace,
one person at a time, thisrevolutionary way to resolve
conflict first within the self,as a way to get to global peace.
(20:26):
You don't go right at globalpeace, you have to go first in,
right here.
And so we had this process andwe were trained by these angels
to do this and we did it.
We had fights, the three of us,and we would get the
transcripts and we would peaceour way.
It's like building a nest,almost.
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It's like you have to.
Just what does this mean?
And how does this mean?
We had to test it when we wereactually fighting, and so it was
really a monumental effort onthe three of our parts to take
these angels seriously.
But the point was and this getsto what people say well, how do
you know it wasn't you know badangels?
Douglas James Cottrell (21:07):
They were being deceived.
Barbara With (21:09):
Yeah, what they were telling us to do was
transforming our lives inbasically I'll just say it
basically they were teaching ushow to love ourselves, how to
take care of ourselves, how tohonor ourselves, how to resolve
our own conflicts, how toarticulate ourselves, how to be
inspired and inspiring.
And ending with, what does itmean to be compassionate?
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So that was what we werelearning and it was having
profound effects on all ourrelationships and our
opportunities and clearing upconflicts within.
All that was creating moresynchronicity.
So it was a grand experimentthat we were in.
So when we were asking whomight be next in this to step up
(21:55):
to talk Elvis or who second wasNicole Brown Simpson.
Douglas James Cottrell (22:03):
Really, that's interesting.
Barbara With (22:07):
And we asked Gandhi and Mother Teresa and
probably Elvis before we got toNicole Brown Simpson.
But when she stepped up, thatwas also a very profound
conversation, cause I itdispelled this idea that you
just die and suddenly you'rejust in this happy place, no
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matter what.
She's like oh no, not when youget murdered by your husband and
you see your children leftbehind with him.
Douglas James Cottrell (22:36):
Okay, hold it right there.
We're going to take a shortbreak, we'll be right back.
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Douglas James Cottrell (23:54):
So just before the break, you were
talking about Nicole Simpson andshe was conveying to you what
it was like after she had passedover and was watching her
family, or, let's say, thefallout from that.
So what did she say?
How did she convey that to you,how she felt?
Barbara With (24:16):
Well, I think, to sum it up, her point was that
forgiveness is the test, andthat was her test right now,
because she was still in a placewhere she was in that courtroom
every day.
She was all around her kids,she was not gonna let go and she
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had her own turbulent emotionalbody in her hologram, however
you wanna say it, that had hertotally connected.
And so she was reallyarticulate about outlining how
he grew up, what influencescreated, what dynamic, what's
(25:03):
kind of socio-cultural, racialdynamic within him as a black
man in a white world, et cetera.
And then about abuse, about howdomestic abuse, kind of the
dynamic of what went on withthem.
Douglas James Cottrell (25:19):
So she was understanding and forgiving
him, so to speak.
Barbara With (25:23):
She was working on it.
Douglas James Cottrell (25:26):
Well, yeah, working on it is probably
a good term, a work in progress.
I know it's interesting to sayshe was around watching all this
in the courtroom and thingslike that.
So that speaks to questionabout the people.
When they pass over, they canhang around like sort of the
earthbound.
They don't necessarily go toheaven or some other place.
Barbara With (25:49):
Well, and later on we can get a touch on how
Einstein maps out in his unifiedfield theories why there's
really nowhere to go.
Douglas James Cottrell (25:59):
Okay, well, let's do that now, because
that sounds like the answer.
Well, how about that?
Barbara With (26:06):
Well, when he got, when I was decided in 2005, it
was the 100 year anniversary ofE = MC squared and I wanted to
do just a book for Einstein.
So I channeled a bunch ofsessions and then I set him out
to edit, imagining he was hereguiding my editing, and so that
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time is where he was bringingforth his unified field theory,
which he never did when he wasalive.
That includes these maps ofhuman consciousness that explain
not only how matter is manifestbut our relationship
consciously to it.
(26:49):
So in the basic premise is thatthe beginning of all life
begins in the center of theearth and with a compilation of
consciousness.
So you have one, I have one.
It's a compilation of all of themathematics that make up
everything that's here, and fromthat compilation there's a
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gravitational wave that flows.
It's my wave, you have yourwave, and on that wave it's
flowing up literally through theplanet to the surface of the
planet.
And when it gets to the surfaceand it gets to the outside,
there's the inner and the outer.
That's where the lens iscreated, that's where we are
sitting here separate thecomputer is now separate from me
(27:32):
, but it's all originating onthis wave that's coming up
through separating out and thewave continues on out into the
heavens until it reaches theearth's electromagnetic field
and it goes back up through theNorth Pole, back down into the
center of the planet, whichEinstein says serves like a
black hole.
It operates like a black holeand then it spins again, and it
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spins at the speed of light,squared.
And what slows it all down andseparates it all out is this
thing they call the humanintention.
So it's like a mechanism, it'slike a prism.
Here's the spinning string,it's got all your mathematics
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and so there's the mathematicsof your DNA in your body and
there's like a hologram.
You can't see in that darkenergy, but you can see the
gravitational waves in thatspinning string.
But when the human intentioncomes out of the source, out
into the heavens, to theobserver, and then the lens,
almost like a prism, lowers downover the spinning string and it
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creates that lens that we'resitting in and everything
separates out through our bodies, because our body is the
projector and the perceiver ofthe world.
So when we lose our bodies andgo to be ghost people, all of
that mathematics that spins onforever, that hologram of who
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we'd been, and it's literally inthat space.
So, as you, we're not going any.
There's like we're of adifferent frequency and light
matter or anti, anti matter,whichever you'd call it, but
there's really not anywhere thatwe go.
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And when Einstein wants to talkthrough me, he rides that wave
up.
I give him permission to be apart of my body that's
coagulating and we sharethoughts, feelings and senses.
Douglas James Cottrell (29:37):
And he speaks, and, or whomever Well,
does he talk to you often or isthis you know, every once in a
while?
Or do you see Volunteer to showup?
I'm sure he's pretty busy overthere and lots to do on the
other side.
You know, we're keeping theworld together.
Barbara With (29:53):
There's a lot to do on the other side, and that's
what he is doing.
Well, I have to tell you,though, in going back to party
to, to Nicole Brown, simpson andthis, these people who wanted
to talk, by the time we did John, john F Kennedy, and, and and
that also has been now what hesays what had now been proven
(30:16):
about what really happened tohim.
But it was him who said now,we're gonna tell you, from here
on in, who is coming, because wehave, we've been writing this
book, and, and we want theseinterviews to go in this book,
and we'll tell you who's comingnext.
It's like, okay, and then itwas Einstein.
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Wow and when I sat down and Openmyself up and got out of the
way that energy Was longfamiliar.
It was Not just the voice thathad been coming through me in my
private readings that I wasdoing when I was just an antenna
, it Was something so far backin the music, because Einstein
(31:04):
too was was a Musician.
In fact he probably would havepreferred to have been a
musician than a scientist inthis last life.
So I felt really like that'swhen I decided I had to do just
a book for him.
But they also sent SigmundFreud and I had no idea about
(31:27):
these people.
I didn't, I wasn't.
I mean, I knew who he was,basically, but I couldn't have
told you much about his life.
Or did he know Einstein?
Or?
Douglas James Cottrell (31:36):
so you get to know these, these
personalities, if I can callthem that, after they've, you
know, signed up to toparticipate in your, in your
research?
Have some of the things you'vesaid Actually told me that John
F Kennedy, some of the thingsthat happened that were told to
(31:59):
you and then they were verifiedlater in the news or whatnot?
There are other things likethat that happened with Einstein
and had some of these otherpersonalities.
Barbara With (32:07):
Oh my gosh, I learned Just recently that so,
so there's fraud.
This is a book that becameparty of 12, the afterlife
interviews, and it was Freud,einstein, hitler, anwar Sadat
holy moly and their whole pointof this book was they ended with
(32:33):
a manifesto to the destiny ofworld peace.
So they State and they signwe're gonna do this until life,
after life, but it's a destinythat we're going to create this
world, where that's based oncompassion, that we're, we're
meant to really learn how to do.
(32:54):
So their whole, their whole, acommission, is world peace.
Douglas James Cottrell (33:00):
Well, that's really interesting.
You had some light beingsbringing intellectual things in
the world, like Einstein and therevelations, like Mrs Brown, if
you will, nicole to Diana, whoyou know had some world
influence while she was walkingthe earth, and now is joined up
(33:21):
with a, a group of like-mindedghost people and Seems like
they're working, reaching back,trying to help us.
You know like I Like that ideain this day and age.
We now are going through a timeof great difficulty in the
Middle East and in Europe withUkraine and Russia.
(33:42):
So these people coming into theworld in the past Through you,
you think they were trying toprepare us for now.
Barbara With (33:54):
Well, most definitely, and also remember
that these people, when theywere alive, were working on this
.
In 1932, the League of Nationshad a Special committee called
the Intellectual CooperationCommittee To try to bring
together the nations of theworld that it were torn apart by
(34:16):
World War one, and One of theways they were going to do it
was to stimulate publicconversation by thought leaders
such as Einstein and Publishthem, because this is 1932,
right, there's no internet, etc.
So they asked Einstein and hesaid yes, I want to write to
(34:37):
Sigmund Freud.
So they published this seriesof letters back and forth, and
his question was how do we endwar?
And Freud said maybe we haveone world government.
And very quickly they talkedabout it and thought no, that's
not a good idea, because it'seasier to denature plutonium
(35:00):
than it is to get evil out ofmen.
And so Freud didn't really knowwhat to say.
But he said I'm giving you somethree informal ideas.
So the first way to end war isto nurture really hungry, open
minds that are seeking for thetruth.
The second thing is to buildcommunity where you know each
(35:25):
other and you're connected.
And the third was to tellpeople the truth about how
horrible war is, and let themunderstand and be moved that
they have to stand up to say noto it because it's so awful.
So in 1955, einstein his lastpaper that he was working on.
(35:48):
They read it after he died.
It was called the RussellEinstein Manifesto, and he did
just that.
He urged nations to settletheir differences peacefully and
to create community amongst theworld, but he also warned
(36:09):
exactly what would happen if wewent to World War III.
And this was before what wehave now.
This was just after the bombsin Hiroshima, but they were
speculating in the RussellEinstein Manifesto that if
there's a war waged with thehydrogen bombs that are coming
(36:30):
out now, you might think that,oh yeah, moscow will get bombed
and that won't hurt us.
No, no, those people get to gofirst, and then we get to suffer
the long, slow death ofwatching our grandchildren be
poisoned by the air and the foodand die these deaths.
So he really did take itseriously what Freud had said to
(36:54):
him.
So what getting back, though?
Those are the sorts of thingsthat I've unfolded through the
years that have made given methe evidentiary pieces of it
that make me go.
Yeah, this is everything's amystery at its root, but I
(37:15):
believe that this is the, theghosts of these people who, in
real life, were attached to theidea of peace and went into the
afterlife with the intention andwho else but Einstein would go?
His two big things, the unifiedfield theory and world peace,
he took with him into afterlife,figured it out, found a way,
(37:39):
found out the answer, made hisunified field theory and then
found a way to get it back tohumans.
I mean, that's an Einsteinianas far as.
As far as I'm concerned, I findthat amazing.
Douglas James Cottrell (37:50):
What's in my mind is nights at the
round table, cabalot, you know.
Everybody coming together forthe greater good.
And these people in some placebeyond the earth are holding
meetings, conversations, debates.
Freud and Einstein, my gosh.
So did they ever tell you whatit's like over there?
(38:11):
Did they ever describe theenvironment?
Barbara With (38:15):
Well, einstein, in my first tribute to him,
imagining Einstein essays on Mtheory, world peace and the
science of compassion, he triesin the beginning to describe
what it was like when he died,and he said what I've heard over
and over again since then wasthat it was like more than
(38:35):
getting shot out of a cannonthat you just accelerate when
you lose matter, you gain, whenyou lose mass, you gain speed
and so, but that makes sense.
Yeah, and it's mathematical Ifyou, you know, turn the math
around to a sweet or speed, youknow and if you slow down the
(39:00):
energy, then you get mass.
So and don't ask me, I I'm not amathematician or a scientist, I
just always wanted to be a rockstar myself.
But anyway, that's what he says.
So it's what he says is that weinterface in the non physical.
(39:20):
So you and I and everybodysitting here with bodies, we
have it's called our biggeroperating system, that's in the
non physical part of reality,and there is a non physical part
and there's this physical part,and then there's outside the
lens, and so we share thatenergy, whether we have a body
(39:42):
or not.
Most of us don't remember inthe course of a day what our non
physical is doing, but it'sthere.
And when we die, I think that'swhy it feels like coming home,
it's not like, oh, I have toleave, it's like, oh, oh,
there's this part of me that'sbeen here all the time and I
just never even knew it.
So, and then a lot withimagination and intention of
(40:05):
what they experience.
Douglas James Cottrell (40:08):
Well, listen, Barbara, how could
people get a hold of you?
They keep in contact with you.
Maybe you're going to do asession for them or they could
buy your book again.
What's your website and howcould people get a hold of you?
Barbara With (40:21):
Well, I've got several websites.
So, barbarawith.
com, that's where you can book areading or read about that.
I also have .LLC .
(40:42):
LLC, and that's everything.
That's Einstein, that's all thepsychic sorority, that's all
the events.
I've got some live in personevents coming up and they're all
listed there too, and I'mcurrently on a world tour.
I'm calling for theparticipation of the willing to
take part in a worldwidenonviolent action to end the age
(41:03):
of war, and it's basicallyabout us first going inside
ourselves and finding where whatlittle wars we have going on
that are contributing and takingcare of it here right now and
contributing to world peace andother ways.
Douglas James Cottrell (41:19):
So well, that's a very noble mission, so
can you you want to tell uswhere you're going to be in the
next little while we're inOctober here, 2023.
Any states coming?
Barbara With (41:34):
Yes, I, I'm in November 1.
I'm in Minneapolis and November26.
I'm also in Minneapolis, atLake Superior spiritual
community in South Minneapolis,on the first time having a night
of the day of the dead channelat my friends art bar.
(41:57):
And then I am going to be downin Austin, texas, on November
10th and 11th doing Einsteinchannel and then presenting all
the unified fields and the mapsof tuning consciousness and
walking us all through aconflict revolution, which is
really a miraculous process Iwish everyone would do.
But then I'm off to Georgia andthen in December I leave for
(42:20):
Oslo, norway, for two monthswhere I'm going to be base
camping, I guess.
So I've got some UK stuff goingon.
I've been invited to Romaniaand Denmark and I was invited to
Tel Aviv, but we'll see.
We'll see how that goes.
Douglas James Cottrell (42:37):
Don't go there.
Barbara With (42:38):
No, I don't think that anybody's going.
Douglas James Cottrell (42:39):
there, you can have all the protection
you like of all the angels.
We don't go there for time.
Barbara With (42:46):
That's my protection is no, not going
there.
Douglas James Cottrell (42:49):
So, as we get near the end of this
wonderful interview, you knowpeople are sitting here
listening to you, they'rethinking in their own mind.
They're, you know, going backand forth about life after death
and some people might want todo what you do.
So any advice or directionabout people who may want to
(43:10):
become a medium or get in touchwith their relatives?
You know, as you have said, andI believe as well, that we just
change.
It was like a wearing out apair of shoes.
We discard them and we go backto the, the post existence,
which is where we came from inthe first place, and then we get
(43:31):
to do parachutes and get tocome over and do it all over
again.
But any advice or directionabout.
People are sitting here nowwondering, either for the first
time, that maybe there is lifeafter death or, more exactly, I
want to know how, if Barbara cando this, I can do this.
Do I have to do automaticwriting first?
(43:52):
What?
What direction advice would youhave for people who are
seriously interested in doingthis, and are there any things
to watch out for?
Barbara With (44:02):
Well, I would say that, first of all, know that
this is innate in all of us,that we all have the capacity to
be in touch with a far moreintuitive, non physical side of
us.
So it's not unique to me andthat, at the root of everything,
(44:24):
this is my advice.
After all these years and now Istarted in 1987 and I'm old now
so is that if you're reallyserious about it, then you need
to go and test yourself.
What I used to do was I wouldtake Eunice's readings and I
would write down what I thoughtwas going to happen, what I
anticipated it meant that wasgoing to happen, and then I
(44:45):
would watch and see what reallyhappened.
And then I would see.
You know, I would learn thatway, very, very.
And now it's not aboutpredicting the future.
It's about being in touch withyour own intuitive self, say a
prayer of protection and knowthat there's it's afterlife, and
(45:08):
spiritual life is not a lotdifferent than physical life in
terms of there's people on thestreets.
There's people on the streetswho can hurt you.
There's probably demons thatcan hurt.
I've never had them when I havepeople who are being plagued by
them, we work conflict,revolution, back down into the
(45:30):
self, to find out what'sconflicted in the self that's
attracting those things.
So those are.
Those will be your tests,though you have to be willing to
be tested and to admit, at theend of the day, it's all a
mystery.
It took me this long, douglas.
I mean I'm talking about soundto antenna, to angels, to famous
(45:54):
dead people, to Albert Einstein.
This is it's maddening.
It can be maddening, and so youhave to really take time, be
skeptical but open and use yourimagination and then ask to be
guided and get out of your headand listen for what your
intuition is going to say.
Your intuition is going toimpel you to do and take those
(46:16):
steps and figure out what allthat means.
There's certainly a plethora ofinformation and guidance, and
everywhere there's spiritualawakening, information and help,
and I can help to.
We do a free online conflictrevolution classes on zoom on a
regular basis and offering tothe world what I think we need
(46:38):
to do to help us get throughthis.
Douglas James Cottrell (46:42):
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Douglas James Cottrell (48:01):
Well, here we are at the end of this
amazing interview.
We've got a few minutes left inthe show.
Barbara, as we said before,people might want to go down the
same path that you're on.
I'm sure that there are people.
This is not what they should do, and I am sure just as well
that there are people that couldhave some synergy with this and
(48:26):
they could do it.
They need a mentor, I believe,and they could contact you for
mentoring or to find out whatyou do or to have a reading, and
I think that's a good place tostart as people go through this
process.
It's summary of what you've beenthrough and, as you, just
before the break, had said, youstarted off with something, went
to something else, somethingbigger, something bigger and
(48:48):
something bigger.
So it developed and, as yousaid earlier, you didn't think
of Albert and the other famouspeople when you started out.
You were doing earnest researchand attempting to find out if
this mediumship really was whatit was, and it is, of course.
So I'm saying now, as acostiary note to people go slow.
(49:11):
My mentor, reverend Alex Holm,told me the same thing a long
time ago Go slow and I wasdelighted to hear you saying the
same thing.
So, as we conclude theinterview, how can people get a
hold of you again and where areyour books available?
And tell us all about that aswe go to the end.
Barbara With (49:32):
Yes, barbara with.
com is where you can go to booka reading with me, and synergy
alliancellc will take you toeverything else all my events,
my online classes, all of ourbooks.
Our books are also on Amazoncom, and you can find events on
(49:54):
synergy alliance.
And if you're just interestedat all in my music, I have a
whole music website at Barb withB A R B W I T H, and so there's
some videos, music videos andmusic over there too.
So that's where I am.
Douglas James Cottrell (50:10):
A smorgasbord of things to examine
, learn, see.
Thank you for mentioning aboutyour music website.
That's amazing.
You're a busy lady, obviously.
Barbara With (50:22):
Oh, and also YouTube Barb with.
I have a lot of.
I bought about 200 videos upthere of everything different
channeling sessions and thepsychic sorority videos and
Douglas James Cottrell (50:43):
hmm, All that right Okay
Barbara With (50:45):
Yes
Douglas James Cottrell (50:46):
Okay, well, listen, it's been
delightful having thisopportunity.
I'm your host, douglas JamesCottrell.
It's been a wonderful interviewlistening to Barbara with today
.
Remember the journey doesn'tstop here, it continues on, so
we encourage you to continuetaking your steps.
We're all in the same pathindividually together.
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Douglas James Cottrell (00:43):
Well, welcome to the program again.
My friends, I have a wonderfulguest today who's going to tell
us all about what it's like totalk to Albert Einstein and
other famous people.
I'm joined with Barbara Withtoday, who is a medium
extraordinaire and she has beenpracticing her abilities, her
(01:06):
work, for a long time, so shehas great experience.
And again, we're all curiousabout that question is there
life after death?
Well, I certainly believe so.
I think anybody that isconvinced they have a soul would
also believe that.
But today we're going to getsome evidence about that.
So I'm going to say welcome tothe show, Barbara.
(01:28):
It's great to have you heretoday.
Barbara With (01:31):
Thank you, douglas .
It's so great to be here.
I love, love, love having thesekinds of conversations and
everybody wants to have themmore and more right now.
So my intuitive gift startedwith music.
When I was very young, had akind of supernatural ability to
(01:52):
climb up on the piano and figureout how to play the piano and
then by 12, I was writing songs,these kind of goth folk songs.
This is the 70s, 60s, 70s andand to me that was later on I
figured out that's channeling.
I would go into some spacewhere I like, outer space and
(02:16):
listen and I would hear thesongs already written and I
would listen for them andremember them and bring them
back.
So how I transitioned from thatto being knowing that I talked
to Albert Einstein is kind of anepic lifetime journey that I'd
like to try to condense downinto a short time, but bear with
(02:40):
me if I if it gets a littleconvoluted.
There's so many moving parts toit.
I was this extraordinary youngsongwriter and during high
school I ended up going to seemy friend.
Mike had a mom named Eunice whogave readings, air quotes.
(03:00):
We didn't call her a channeler,it's she.
He just said come and see whatmy mom can do.
So here was his beautifulBuddha, like mother, who sat
before this picture of Jesus andlit a candle and said, just
kind of went out of her and hervoice changed and she said the
most amazing, divine, insightful, inspiring things about me and
(03:27):
the music and where I was goingwith it and what it was meant
and the healing power of themusic.
And so I had an experience ofgoing to see a psychic when I
was young, but she didn't talkto anybody, she would just said
she was an antenna and she wouldgo into outer space and she
(03:47):
would listen for my higher power, what I wanted to ultimately
tell myself.
So that's how I grew up,knowing it.
Douglas James Cottrell (03:56):
Well, that's interesting.
So she kind of told you thequestion before you asked it,
because your high self was sortof giving her the nudge or or
some indication.
Wow, how old were you when thatwas going on?
Barbara With (04:10):
I think my first reading I was probably 16.
And I'd been writing music forfor three or four years in
response to, I must say, a veryhellish childhood.
I had a lot of abuse anddissociation and all of that
ugly.
There was no place in my familywhere there was, but in any
(04:32):
case I was taking it out inthese songs that I was writing
and she was able to give me some.
I mean, I'm 16.
My father's long gone, mymother's working 60 hours a week
and an alcoholic anyway, soshe's giving me some spiritual
guidance that I could figure outfor myself.
(04:55):
I didn't go to church and Ididn't really have a family per
se that I could spiritually besafe with, so so it was self
learning as you go.
Douglas James Cottrell (05:07):
Did you feel alienated?
Did you feel like on your own,like sort of like alone in a
crowd, kind of thing?
Barbara With (05:13):
I mean as far as an upbringing.
Douglas James Cottrell (05:15):
Yeah.
Barbara With (05:17):
Yeah, I was the baby of four and my mother and
father fought, from the momentlong before I was born,
viciously at each other and hewas sexually abusive and
emotionally abusive and theywere both alcoholics and she was
a speed freak in the fifties.
You know diet pills and we allpicked up just terrible,
(05:40):
horrible self images and beingsubjected to that much screaming
and yelling and people justfighting to the bitter end,
everybody getting as ugly asthey can.
Douglas James Cottrell (05:52):
So I've heard other musicians, like
Johnny Cash, who said that heheard in his dream one of his
songs where the trumpets wereplaying.
And so he wrote the song and hehired three musicians to come
in and play the trumpet and theysaid what should we do?
(06:15):
He said, well, you'll figure itout, just listen to the song.
And so they went over and I'msorry I can't remember the title
of that song that it was veryfamous and very popular, but it
had the trumpets in thebackground and basically it was
from his dream or something.
He, I think in a way similar towhat you do, channel that
information.
So, as you're writing songs andyou're getting information from
(06:38):
the ethers, how, when was thatfirst time you made the leap, if
I can call it that, to gettingin contact with a?
I like to call them ghostpeople.
You know disease that's my termfor it but can you remember how
that happened the first time orhow you got?
Was it a surprise or was itsomething you will attempt to do
(07:00):
?
Barbara With (07:01):
Well, as far as becoming a channel like Eunice
was, I did that before beforethe ghost people.
I started automatic writingspontaneously and knew what it
was, but obviously.
But when I asked them who theywere, they just said sound.
Douglas James Cottrell (07:26):
So you're pulling information from
the ethers, if I can call itthat, or from beyond your own
intellect, and you did that fora long time, I guess.
And was it become like a dailypractice or it was natural for
you?
Barbara With (07:41):
Well, I started giving readings all those many
years ago.
Douglas James Cottrell (07:45):
Really Wow.
Barbara With (07:46):
In 1987, I started giving readings and I nobody
people came, it was all referral.
I just I gave a couple ofpeople readings and said, hey,
if you know, refer people,people would come maybe twice a
year and nobody ever reallytalked much about what was said
(08:06):
actually in the reading and Idon't really remember people's
readings in that way.
But in 1993, I wanted to do agroup channel because I was
really into Edgar Cayce and JaneRoberts both both channels in
their own nature, and I wantedto know what these voices of we
(08:29):
because when I would channel itwould be we would say to a bunch
of people and I couldn't findanybody within my circle that I
was already working with.
But then started to come thesewomen first came Teresa, and
then she sent Jeanine and thenshe sent, and so there were like
five or six referral women whohad come for private readings.
(08:53):
And then they sent Kim and whenKim came my energy level of the
reading was significantlythrough the roof.
I was like talking a mile aminute and blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah and Kim took herreading, went home, transcribed
it and then called me to ask meto talk about what did it mean?
(09:13):
What does this mean.
What does that mean?
And this is the first timeanybody had ever done such a
thing, and I was fascinated.
Well, I don't know, let's talkabout it.
So they were the first groupreading that I did in December
of 1993.
We call ourselves the psychicsorority and we started meeting
on a regular basis and I wouldchannel for the group, we would
(09:37):
record them, transcribe them andmake those transcripts
available to whoever we hadcalled in that day or who was
ever there to be a part of thisinformation.
And so that December 1993transcript is the first time I'd
ever really listen to what theinformation that was coming out
(10:00):
of me.
What is this, what is thisreally all about?
And it rapidly turned intosomething.
I had no idea what.
And so they told us right fromthe beginning you're on a
mission and we have arevolutionary way to resolve
conflict that we need to test onyou For world peace.
(10:26):
We call it world peace, oneperson at a time, starting with
self as an antidote for worldpeace.
And we need some humans to testthis revolutionary way to
resolve conflict with unrealconflicts.
And when Kim and Teresa askedwho are you in a reading, they
(10:50):
said you can call us angels,thank you.
Douglas James Cottrell (10:54):
Wow, you have this sorority or this
group of invisible friends, if Icould say that is for people
listening to this who might not,might be kind of wondering what
is you talking about?
Kind of thing you know, becausea lot of people this is very
foreign to them and the idea oftalking to deceased people
(11:16):
there's always a fear thatyou're being misguided by the
dark side or the negative side.
But it seems to me you wentthrough a transition of being
somewhat, you know, outside yourfamily and at a troubled home,
which a lot of the people I'veinterviewed have had
difficulties, experiences ontheir own and been very poor,
(11:36):
slept in cars, had trauma intheir early life, but it seems
to be a consistent I don't knowif that's that's the case for
everybody, but there seems to bea lot of this inward looking
sort of a sense of as a childwondering about justice, and
this isn't the way it's supposedto be.
But you went through thisevolution of reaching out at
(11:56):
automatic writing, which againfor people to explain that it's
kind of getting information inyour hand, those that are
writing, and you don't thinkabout the word, so to speak, and
then you read it later, whatyou wrote, if that's what you're
yes exactly.
That's my understanding of it.
I don't do it myself, so, butanyway, you were expert at that.
(12:18):
And then, surprise, you do thisgroup reading and everybody's
absolutely amazed at theinformation you're getting, and
then you have to read it backyourself to find out what you
said.
Well, that's astounding as faras the average person would say.
So, as you're doing this,obviously there's a group of
(12:39):
people interested in what you'resaying.
It's meaningful, they're comingback for more research.
And then you have this missionto go on of world peace,
starting with one person at atime, which I love.
I think that's just an amazinginitiation, if you will, of
people doing this.
How did you make the transitionto talking to some of the
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famous people and did they havethe same intention of speaking,
if they will, through you to geta message, like Albert Einstein
?
How did that happen?
Barbara With (13:10):
Well, the three of us, Kim and Theresa and I,
published our diaries about thattime, about our first initial
time together.
We published them in 1997,diaries of a Psychic Sorority.
And at that time I had an agent, a literary agent, and a
tabloid in London reached out toher, a paranormal sort of
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metaphysical tabloid, who waslooking for an interview with
Princess Diana from Beyond theGrave on the one-year
anniversary of her death.
And you asked me, how did I getfrom an antenna?
Well then we went to Angels,which we could talk about in a
second.
My skepticism even of what doesthat mean?
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How do we know any of this?
But to speak to people who hadpassed on, that started
happening to me.
A friend of mine, my firstfriend who ever died, died and
there was a significant shift inmy ability to communicate.
But these were her friends whohad passed on, or Kim's mother
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who had passed, not like me,pretending I could go to some
famous person and talk andinterview them.
That sounded a little gratuitousalmost to me and kind of not
what I was about, like cheapseeking.
But I thought about it andthought about it and I thought,
well, what will it hurt to try?
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I have a big imagination and soI'll just do it.
So I sat down and in automaticwriting, what you sort of do is
you get out of your head a bit,you just get out of the way.
What I do is I make my egovoice, that you know that, that
I imagine it really tiny andit's sitting in a little chair,
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so there's all this room, andthen I just imagine and I let
whatever comes through me,because at this point you can't
be wrong about it.
You're not going to.
It's not something that I thinkwould overtake you if some
demon came in.
It's not like that at all.
It's more like imagination,trusting your imagination.
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So I imagine I was talking toher.
I saw apparently was channelingthe questions and the answers
and I typed them and I printedit and I went to read it and
that was when I started to getthis feeling that there was
something more here, because itwas very profound and had some
very detailed information.
But what's most profound isthat her whole message is about
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peace, that if all the 40million people who put flowers
on her grave would make peace,that we could get to world peace
.
And because of that the tabletdidn't really want it.
They wanted to know aboutCharles and Camilla.
Douglas James Cottrell (16:08):
I wanted that dirt on the couple and the
rumors and that you know, likethat, most watering details
about the intimacies between theroyal family members and the
whatever, whatever you know,Camilla and her friend, et
cetera.
I could see that that would beexciting, but that's not what
you're all about.
It gives it sort of a tone ofbeing genuine, so to speak.
Barbara With (16:33):
And Diana, diana would never.
It took me all this time I didthat interview in 1998, took me
till this year to realize shenever would have said anything
about them.
Anyway, that's who she was.
She would not have mentionedthem in her space because she
was and wouldn't go there.
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And I love that.
I love that about her.
Douglas James Cottrell (16:56):
But we're all waiting for you to
come up with some secret.
So, in lieu of that, what wasit that she said about peace?
I mean encouraging people tohave world peace and putting
that energy of remorse and griefin a positive way forward to
help people.
What would she actually havesaid that you could tell her
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audience?
Barbara With (17:20):
about peace.
Douglas James Cottrell (17:21):
Yes.
Barbara With (17:23):
Oh well, after she told us in great detail what
she and Dodie were at odds aboutin their relationship, which is
also very intriguing.
Douglas James Cottrell (17:36):
That's the point I'd like you to
elaborate on.
Everybody wants to know aboutthat, Well what she?
Barbara With (17:41):
said was no, what she said was they were.
They kind of had this argumentbecause she did not want to be
worshiped.
She did not want to beworshiped and he was an Arab man
who has had a culture behindhim as well, as he worshiped her
.
And so she said, when we wereout to dinner that night we were
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having this kind of playfulconversation, but it was all
about how I don't want to beworshiped.
Douglas James Cottrell (18:12):
Well, does that ever make sense?
Wow, I know.
Barbara With (18:15):
And I could relate to it.
Not that people rush all overthe world to worship me, but
I've been in dynamics ofsituations where somebody has a
little bit of worshipy thinggoing on and like you don't want
it anyway, but of course Diana,of course she would not want to
be worshiped, her, in where shewas at that time and she made
some predictions about the boysthat they weren't.
(18:39):
You know, it wasn't a greatdeal of brain surgery in them,
but she just talked about theirnatures and how Harry, it's
Harry and William, right, Isthat it?
I can't remember.
Douglas James Cottrell (18:53):
Harry and yeah.
Barbara With (18:56):
That the younger one was gonna be much more like
her, much more emotionally, andthe older one was gonna follow
in.
You know, charles is more likein Charles's way, but they were
gonna make this kind of switchwhen they got older and you'd
see them going and doing a lotof work for the world.
So there's a lot of stuff thatI can't remember right off the
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top of my head.
But it was really profound toread all that and think that
maybe this was really, but whynot?
Maybe there's more.
My agent and I decided to seeif there were more more famous
dead people who wanted to talkto me.
Douglas James Cottrell (19:36):
And you got to Albert Einstein.
Barbara With (19:39):
Well, we made a list and, oddly enough, he
wasn't on the first list.
Douglas James Cottrell (19:43):
Who would say, let's see Albert
Einstein, let's channel him?
No, I'd be thinking MarilynMonroe.
I'd be.
You know some.
You know other world famouspeople.
You know maybe Henry.
Gandhi.
Yeah, you know so well how didthat happen?
How did Albert show up?
Barbara With (20:03):
Well, now, remember by this time this is
1998, we had been the three ofus in the psychic sorority, had
been giving these step-by-stepinstructions for world peace,
one person at a time, thisrevolutionary way to resolve
conflict first within the self,as a way to get to global peace.
(20:26):
You don't go right at globalpeace, you have to go first in,
right here.
And so we had this process andwe were trained by these angels
to do this and we did it.
We had fights, the three of us,and we would get the
transcripts and we would peaceour way.
It's like building a nest,almost.
(20:48):
It's like you have to.
Just what does this mean?
And how does this mean?
We had to test it when we wereactually fighting, and so it was
really a monumental effort onthe three of our parts to take
these angels seriously.
But the point was and this getsto what people say well, how do
you know it wasn't you know badangels?
Douglas James Cottrell (21:07):
They were being deceived.
Barbara With (21:09):
Yeah, what they were telling us to do was
transforming our lives inbasically I'll just say it
basically they were teaching ushow to love ourselves, how to
take care of ourselves, how tohonor ourselves, how to resolve
our own conflicts, how toarticulate ourselves, how to be
inspired and inspiring.
And ending with, what does itmean to be compassionate?
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So that was what we werelearning and it was having
profound effects on all ourrelationships and our
opportunities and clearing upconflicts within.
All that was creating moresynchronicity.
So it was a grand experimentthat we were in.
So when we were asking whomight be next in this to step up
(21:55):
to talk Elvis or who second wasNicole Brown Simpson.
Douglas James Cottrell (22:03):
Really, that's interesting.
Barbara With (22:07):
And we asked Gandhi and Mother Teresa and
probably Elvis before we got toNicole Brown Simpson.
But when she stepped up, thatwas also a very profound
conversation, cause I itdispelled this idea that you
just die and suddenly you'rejust in this happy place, no
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matter what.
She's like oh no, not when youget murdered by your husband and
you see your children leftbehind with him.
Douglas James Cottrell (22:36):
Okay, hold it right there.
We're going to take a shortbreak, we'll be right back.
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Douglas James Cottrell (23:54):
So just before the break, you were
talking about Nicole Simpson andshe was conveying to you what
it was like after she had passedover and was watching her
family, or, let's say, thefallout from that.
So what did she say?
How did she convey that to you,how she felt?
Barbara With (24:16):
Well, I think, to sum it up, her point was that
forgiveness is the test, andthat was her test right now,
because she was still in a placewhere she was in that courtroom
every day.
She was all around her kids,she was not gonna let go and she
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had her own turbulent emotionalbody in her hologram, however
you wanna say it, that had hertotally connected.
And so she was reallyarticulate about outlining how
he grew up, what influencescreated, what dynamic, what's
(25:03):
kind of socio-cultural, racialdynamic within him as a black
man in a white world, et cetera.
And then about abuse, about howdomestic abuse, kind of the
dynamic of what went on withthem.
Douglas James Cottrell (25:19):
So she was understanding and forgiving
him, so to speak.
Barbara With (25:23):
She was working on it.
Douglas James Cottrell (25:26):
Well, yeah, working on it is probably
a good term, a work in progress.
I know it's interesting to sayshe was around watching all this
in the courtroom and thingslike that.
So that speaks to questionabout the people.
When they pass over, they canhang around like sort of the
earthbound.
They don't necessarily go toheaven or some other place.
Barbara With (25:49):
Well, and later on we can get a touch on how
Einstein maps out in his unifiedfield theories why there's
really nowhere to go.
Douglas James Cottrell (25:59):
Okay, well, let's do that now, because
that sounds like the answer.
Well, how about that?
Barbara With (26:06):
Well, when he got, when I was decided in 2005, it
was the 100 year anniversary ofE = MC squared and I wanted to
do just a book for Einstein.
So I channeled a bunch ofsessions and then I set him out
to edit, imagining he was hereguiding my editing, and so that
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time is where he was bringingforth his unified field theory,
which he never did when he wasalive.
That includes these maps ofhuman consciousness that explain
not only how matter is manifestbut our relationship
consciously to it.
(26:49):
So in the basic premise is thatthe beginning of all life
begins in the center of theearth and with a compilation of
consciousness.
So you have one, I have one.
It's a compilation of all of themathematics that make up
everything that's here, and fromthat compilation there's a
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gravitational wave that flows.
It's my wave, you have yourwave, and on that wave it's
flowing up literally through theplanet to the surface of the
planet.
And when it gets to the surfaceand it gets to the outside,
there's the inner and the outer.
That's where the lens iscreated, that's where we are
sitting here separate thecomputer is now separate from me
(27:32):
, but it's all originating onthis wave that's coming up
through separating out and thewave continues on out into the
heavens until it reaches theearth's electromagnetic field
and it goes back up through theNorth Pole, back down into the
center of the planet, whichEinstein says serves like a
black hole.
It operates like a black holeand then it spins again, and it
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spins at the speed of light,squared.
And what slows it all down andseparates it all out is this
thing they call the humanintention.
So it's like a mechanism, it'slike a prism.
Here's the spinning string,it's got all your mathematics
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and so there's the mathematicsof your DNA in your body and
there's like a hologram.
You can't see in that darkenergy, but you can see the
gravitational waves in thatspinning string.
But when the human intentioncomes out of the source, out
into the heavens, to theobserver, and then the lens,
almost like a prism, lowers downover the spinning string and it
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creates that lens that we'resitting in and everything
separates out through our bodies, because our body is the
projector and the perceiver ofthe world.
So when we lose our bodies andgo to be ghost people, all of
that mathematics that spins onforever, that hologram of who
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we'd been, and it's literally inthat space.
So, as you, we're not going any.
There's like we're of adifferent frequency and light
matter or anti, anti matter,whichever you'd call it, but
there's really not anywhere thatwe go.
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And when Einstein wants to talkthrough me, he rides that wave
up.
I give him permission to be apart of my body that's
coagulating and we sharethoughts, feelings and senses.
Douglas James Cottrell (29:37):
And he speaks, and, or whomever Well,
does he talk to you often or isthis you know, every once in a
while?
Or do you see Volunteer to showup?
I'm sure he's pretty busy overthere and lots to do on the
other side.
You know, we're keeping theworld together.
Barbara With (29:53):
There's a lot to do on the other side, and that's
what he is doing.
Well, I have to tell you,though, in going back to party
to, to Nicole Brown, simpson andthis, these people who wanted
to talk, by the time we did John, john F Kennedy, and, and and
that also has been now what hesays what had now been proven
(30:16):
about what really happened tohim.
But it was him who said now,we're gonna tell you, from here
on in, who is coming, because wehave, we've been writing this
book, and, and we want theseinterviews to go in this book,
and we'll tell you who's comingnext.
It's like, okay, and then itwas Einstein.
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Wow and when I sat down and Openmyself up and got out of the
way that energy Was longfamiliar.
It was Not just the voice thathad been coming through me in my
private readings that I wasdoing when I was just an antenna
, it Was something so far backin the music, because Einstein
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too was was a Musician.
In fact he probably would havepreferred to have been a
musician than a scientist inthis last life.
So I felt really like that'swhen I decided I had to do just
a book for him.
But they also sent SigmundFreud and I had no idea about
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these people.
I didn't, I wasn't.
I mean, I knew who he was,basically, but I couldn't have
told you much about his life.
Or did he know Einstein?
Or?
Douglas James Cottrell (31:36):
so you get to know these, these
personalities, if I can callthem that, after they've, you
know, signed up to toparticipate in your, in your
research?
Have some of the things you'vesaid Actually told me that John
F Kennedy, some of the thingsthat happened that were told to
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you and then they were verifiedlater in the news or whatnot?
There are other things likethat that happened with Einstein
and had some of these otherpersonalities.
Barbara With (32:07):
Oh my gosh, I learned Just recently that so,
so there's fraud.
This is a book that becameparty of 12, the afterlife
interviews, and it was Freud,einstein, hitler, anwar Sadat
holy moly and their whole pointof this book was they ended with
(32:33):
a manifesto to the destiny ofworld peace.
So they State and they signwe're gonna do this until life,
after life, but it's a destinythat we're going to create this
world, where that's based oncompassion, that we're, we're
meant to really learn how to do.
(32:54):
So their whole, their whole, acommission, is world peace.
Douglas James Cottrell (33:00):
Well, that's really interesting.
You had some light beingsbringing intellectual things in
the world, like Einstein and therevelations, like Mrs Brown, if
you will, nicole to Diana, whoyou know had some world
influence while she was walkingthe earth, and now is joined up
(33:21):
with a, a group of like-mindedghost people and Seems like
they're working, reaching back,trying to help us.
You know like I Like that ideain this day and age.
We now are going through a timeof great difficulty in the
Middle East and in Europe withUkraine and Russia.
(33:42):
So these people coming into theworld in the past Through you,
you think they were trying toprepare us for now.
Barbara With (33:54):
Well, most definitely, and also remember
that these people, when theywere alive, were working on this
.
In 1932, the League of Nationshad a Special committee called
the Intellectual CooperationCommittee To try to bring
together the nations of theworld that it were torn apart by
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World War one, and One of theways they were going to do it
was to stimulate publicconversation by thought leaders
such as Einstein and Publishthem, because this is 1932,
right, there's no internet, etc.
So they asked Einstein and hesaid yes, I want to write to
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Sigmund Freud.
So they published this seriesof letters back and forth, and
his question was how do we endwar?
And Freud said maybe we haveone world government.
And very quickly they talkedabout it and thought no, that's
not a good idea, because it'seasier to denature plutonium
(35:00):
than it is to get evil out ofmen.
And so Freud didn't really knowwhat to say.
But he said I'm giving you somethree informal ideas.
So the first way to end war isto nurture really hungry, open
minds that are seeking for thetruth.
The second thing is to buildcommunity where you know each
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other and you're connected.
And the third was to tellpeople the truth about how
horrible war is, and let themunderstand and be moved that
they have to stand up to say noto it because it's so awful.
So in 1955, einstein his lastpaper that he was working on.
(35:48):
They read it after he died.
It was called the RussellEinstein Manifesto, and he did
just that.
He urged nations to settletheir differences peacefully and
to create community amongst theworld, but he also warned
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exactly what would happen if wewent to World War III.
And this was before what wehave now.
This was just after the bombsin Hiroshima, but they were
speculating in the RussellEinstein Manifesto that if
there's a war waged with thehydrogen bombs that are coming
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out now, you might think that,oh yeah, moscow will get bombed
and that won't hurt us.
No, no, those people get to gofirst, and then we get to suffer
the long, slow death ofwatching our grandchildren be
poisoned by the air and the foodand die these deaths.
So he really did take itseriously what Freud had said to
(36:54):
him.
So what getting back, though?
Those are the sorts of thingsthat I've unfolded through the
years that have made given methe evidentiary pieces of it
that make me go.
Yeah, this is everything's amystery at its root, but I
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believe that this is the, theghosts of these people who, in
real life, were attached to theidea of peace and went into the
afterlife with the intention andwho else but Einstein would go?
His two big things, the unifiedfield theory and world peace,
he took with him into afterlife,figured it out, found a way,
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found out the answer, made hisunified field theory and then
found a way to get it back tohumans.
I mean, that's an Einsteinianas far as.
As far as I'm concerned, I findthat amazing.
Douglas James Cottrell (37:50):
What's in my mind is nights at the
round table, cabalot, you know.
Everybody coming together forthe greater good.
And these people in some placebeyond the earth are holding
meetings, conversations, debates.
Freud and Einstein, my gosh.
So did they ever tell you whatit's like over there?
(38:11):
Did they ever describe theenvironment?
Barbara With (38:15):
Well, einstein, in my first tribute to him,
imagining Einstein essays on Mtheory, world peace and the
science of compassion, he triesin the beginning to describe
what it was like when he died,and he said what I've heard over
and over again since then wasthat it was like more than
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getting shot out of a cannonthat you just accelerate when
you lose matter, you gain, whenyou lose mass, you gain speed
and so, but that makes sense.
Yeah, and it's mathematical Ifyou, you know, turn the math
around to a sweet or speed, youknow and if you slow down the
(39:00):
energy, then you get mass.
So and don't ask me, I I'm not amathematician or a scientist, I
just always wanted to be a rockstar myself.
But anyway, that's what he says.
So it's what he says is that weinterface in the non physical.
(39:20):
So you and I and everybodysitting here with bodies, we
have it's called our biggeroperating system, that's in the
non physical part of reality,and there is a non physical part
and there's this physical part,and then there's outside the
lens, and so we share thatenergy, whether we have a body
(39:42):
or not.
Most of us don't remember inthe course of a day what our non
physical is doing, but it'sthere.
And when we die, I think that'swhy it feels like coming home,
it's not like, oh, I have toleave, it's like, oh, oh,
there's this part of me that'sbeen here all the time and I
just never even knew it.
So, and then a lot withimagination and intention of
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what they experience.
Douglas James Cottrell (40:08):
Well, listen, Barbara, how could
people get a hold of you?
They keep in contact with you.
Maybe you're going to do asession for them or they could
buy your book again.
What's your website and howcould people get a hold of you?
Barbara With (40:21):
Well, I've got several websites.
So, barbarawith.
com, that's where you can book areading or read about that.
I also have .LLC .
(40:42):
LLC, and that's everything.
That's Einstein, that's all thepsychic sorority, that's all
the events.
I've got some live in personevents coming up and they're all
listed there too, and I'mcurrently on a world tour.
I'm calling for theparticipation of the willing to
take part in a worldwidenonviolent action to end the age
(41:03):
of war, and it's basicallyabout us first going inside
ourselves and finding where whatlittle wars we have going on
that are contributing and takingcare of it here right now and
contributing to world peace andother ways.
Douglas James Cottrell (41:19):
So well, that's a very noble mission, so
can you you want to tell uswhere you're going to be in the
next little while we're inOctober here, 2023.
Any states coming?
Barbara With (41:34):
Yes, I, I'm in November 1.
I'm in Minneapolis and November26.
I'm also in Minneapolis, atLake Superior spiritual
community in South Minneapolis,on the first time having a night
of the day of the dead channelat my friends art bar.
(41:57):
And then I am going to be downin Austin, texas, on November
10th and 11th doing Einsteinchannel and then presenting all
the unified fields and the mapsof tuning consciousness and
walking us all through aconflict revolution, which is
really a miraculous process Iwish everyone would do.
But then I'm off to Georgia andthen in December I leave for
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Oslo, norway, for two monthswhere I'm going to be base
camping, I guess.
So I've got some UK stuff goingon.
I've been invited to Romaniaand Denmark and I was invited to
Tel Aviv, but we'll see.
We'll see how that goes.
Douglas James Cottrell (42:37):
Don't go there.
Barbara With (42:38):
No, I don't think that anybody's going.
Douglas James Cottrell (42:39):
there, you can have all the protection
you like of all the angels.
We don't go there for time.
Barbara With (42:46):
That's my protection is no, not going
there.
Douglas James Cottrell (42:49):
So, as we get near the end of this
wonderful interview, you knowpeople are sitting here
listening to you, they'rethinking in their own mind.
They're, you know, going backand forth about life after death
and some people might want todo what you do.
So any advice or directionabout people who may want to
(43:10):
become a medium or get in touchwith their relatives?
You know, as you have said, andI believe as well, that we just
change.
It was like a wearing out apair of shoes.
We discard them and we go backto the, the post existence,
which is where we came from inthe first place, and then we get
(43:31):
to do parachutes and get tocome over and do it all over
again.
But any advice or directionabout.
People are sitting here nowwondering, either for the first
time, that maybe there is lifeafter death or, more exactly, I
want to know how, if Barbara cando this, I can do this.
Do I have to do automaticwriting first?
(43:52):
What?
What direction advice would youhave for people who are
seriously interested in doingthis, and are there any things
to watch out for?
Barbara With (44:02):
Well, I would say that, first of all, know that
this is innate in all of us,that we all have the capacity to
be in touch with a far moreintuitive, non physical side of
us.
So it's not unique to me andthat, at the root of everything,
(44:24):
this is my advice.
After all these years and now Istarted in 1987 and I'm old now
so is that if you're reallyserious about it, then you need
to go and test yourself.
What I used to do was I wouldtake Eunice's readings and I
would write down what I thoughtwas going to happen, what I
anticipated it meant that wasgoing to happen, and then I
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would watch and see what reallyhappened.
And then I would see.
You know, I would learn thatway, very, very.
And now it's not aboutpredicting the future.
It's about being in touch withyour own intuitive self, say a
prayer of protection and knowthat there's it's afterlife, and
(45:08):
spiritual life is not a lotdifferent than physical life in
terms of there's people on thestreets.
There's people on the streetswho can hurt you.
There's probably demons thatcan hurt.
I've never had them when I havepeople who are being plagued by
them, we work conflict,revolution, back down into the
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self, to find out what'sconflicted in the self that's
attracting those things.
So those are.
Those will be your tests,though you have to be willing to
be tested and to admit, at theend of the day, it's all a
mystery.
It took me this long, douglas.
I mean I'm talking about soundto antenna, to angels, to famous
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dead people, to Albert Einstein.
This is it's maddening.
It can be maddening, and so youhave to really take time, be
skeptical but open and use yourimagination and then ask to be
guided and get out of your headand listen for what your
intuition is going to say.
Your intuition is going toimpel you to do and take those
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steps and figure out what allthat means.
There's certainly a plethora ofinformation and guidance, and
everywhere there's spiritualawakening, information and help,
and I can help to.
We do a free online conflictrevolution classes on zoom on a
regular basis and offering tothe world what I think we need
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Douglas James Cottrell (48:01):
Well, here we are at the end of this
amazing interview.
We've got a few minutes left inthe show.
Barbara, as we said before,people might want to go down the
same path that you're on.
I'm sure that there are people.
This is not what they should do, and I am sure just as well
that there are people that couldhave some synergy with this and
(48:26):
they could do it.
They need a mentor, I believe,and they could contact you for
mentoring or to find out whatyou do or to have a reading, and
I think that's a good place tostart as people go through this
process.
It's summary of what you've beenthrough and, as you, just
before the break, had said, youstarted off with something, went
to something else, somethingbigger, something bigger and
(48:48):
something bigger.
So it developed and, as yousaid earlier, you didn't think
of Albert and the other famouspeople when you started out.
You were doing earnest researchand attempting to find out if
this mediumship really was whatit was, and it is, of course.
So I'm saying now, as acostiary note to people go slow.
(49:11):
My mentor, reverend Alex Holm,told me the same thing a long
time ago Go slow and I wasdelighted to hear you saying the
same thing.
So, as we conclude theinterview, how can people get a
hold of you again and where areyour books available?
And tell us all about that aswe go to the end.
Barbara With (49:32):
Yes, barbara with.
com is where you can go to booka reading with me, and synergy
alliancellc will take you toeverything else all my events,
my online classes, all of ourbooks.
Our books are also on Amazoncom, and you can find events on
(49:54):
synergy alliance.
And if you're just interestedat all in my music, I have a
whole music website at Barb withB A R B W I T H, and so there's
some videos, music videos andmusic over there too.
So that's where I am.
Douglas James Cottrell (50:10):
A smorgasbord of things to examine
, learn, see.
Thank you for mentioning aboutyour music website.
That's amazing.
You're a busy lady, obviously.
Barbara With (50:22):
Oh, and also YouTube Barb with.
I have a lot of.
I bought about 200 videos upthere of everything different
channeling sessions and thepsychic sorority videos and
Douglas James Cottrell (50:43):
hmm, All that right Okay
Barbara With (50:45):
Yes
Douglas James Cottrell (50:46):
Okay, well, listen, it's been
delightful having thisopportunity.
I'm your host, douglas JamesCottrell.
It's been a wonderful interviewlistening to Barbara with today
.
Remember the journey doesn'tstop here, it continues on, so
we encourage you to continuetaking your steps.
We're all in the same pathindividually together.
(51:08):
Until next time, I wish youpeace, of prosperity.
God bless.
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We wish you all of God'sblessings health, wealth and
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