Episode 129. Synchronicity, the I Ching, and the Secrets of the Subconscious Mind | A Deep Dive with Atom Bergstrom - Wake Up with Miya

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What is kundalini? Is that part of this
enlightenment process? Yes, no, maybe as he would
answer. Here's the deal on kundalini, we
are a sperm in an ovum. If you look at a spine, does it
not look like an ovum? Does the sperm not wiggle its
tail? Well, what do they say happens

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with kundalini? You wiggle your tail and it
brings the energy up to your head.
Well, according to Adono, the kundalini ends at the medulla
oblongata and the medulla oblongata is where it joins the
obum. So we have two chakras, We have
a system of spermal chakras and we have a system of oblum

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chakras. So in Saint Montt and religions,
they say that the 10th door is here and that is the entrance to
go back. Some say here.

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Aloha, and welcome to another show, guys.
I'm beyond excited for today's guest because he's truly in a
league of his own. Adam Bergstrom.
He is a researcher and author and a deep thinker who has spent
decades uncovering the hidden truths about health, energy, and

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the way our body really functions.
His wealth of knowledge challenges what we think we
already know, and his insights have changed lives.
Today, he's here to share them with you.
You can find more of Adam's workat solartiming.com and on his
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this episode guys, is a truly deep dive into the mind, body

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spirit concept with a unique andBergstrom twist.
Today we are exploring the phenomenon of by location that's
being in two places at one time,the influence of karma and
synchronicity in our lives. We've delved into the idea of
consciousness as a holographic experience and discuss insights

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from the AI Ching. This conversation was a deep
dive into how these elements interconnect within the mind,
body, spirit triad, offering a unique perspective on health and
reality. All right, guys, enough from me.
Let's dive into this mind expanding conversation with Adam

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Bergstrom. Enjoy the episode.
Well, Aloha, Adam, and welcome back to this show.
The last time we explored mesmerism and I guess the
profound impact on healing. And as always, you brought
insights that push beyond the mainstream narrative.

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So this time I'm really curious.I guess I believe you wanted to
speak a little bit about a Rigo.He was born Jose Pedro de
Fritas. He's a Brazilian healer who's
also, I guess he was known for psychic surgery.

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I, I watched the video that you sent then it was hard to watch
and he was said to go into thesedeep trance channelling a spirit
guide named Doctor Fritas Fritas, something like that.

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And he performed these procedures with the like crude
instruments, like usually just 4inch blade, dull blade knives.
And, and that video showed him going in some guy's eye socket
and but he was reported to have miraculous recoveries with these

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patients. So I know his methods were
controversial and it drew both all and scrutiny, I think, from
the medical community. But maybe if you can help us
understand who this arrigo was and what made his approach to

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healing so extraordinary? You know, there was a book
called A Rigo, This Surgeon of the Rusty Knife, and I read it
that I managed the metaphysical bookstore in Houston called the
Phoenix Metaphysical Bookstore. But it was the rise of the
Phoenix bird, not the Phoenix City.

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And I happened to have a regularcustomer of ours was Henry Bilk,
and he was one of the two doctors that went down there.
Actually, he wasn't a doctor. He had a chain of stores in the
East Coast and he had plenty of money and he was interested in

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psychic abilities and he found alot of fakes.
In fact, he would come to the store regularly and tell us that
person is a fake. That person is a fake.
And believe me, there are a lot of fakes.
The Saint John of God was one ofthem.
I, I recognize it right away. A lot of my friends, even Wayne
Dyer, went down there to get healed of cancer.

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It didn't work and he was found to be doing stuff he shouldn't
be doing. Also on top of that, Rigo never
took a took any money at all andhe was he was put in prison for
what he did because Brazil was avery Catholic country and you
don't want competition with Christ healing people.

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So they put him in prison. He was supposed to be there for
years, but he got out in a matter of months because the
president of Brazil son had beenhealed by him.
The most famous they had like their version of Elvis Presley,
he got healed or one of his relatives and a famous soccer

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player. I don't know if it was Pele or
whoever it was, but they got healed too.
So they sent the doctors to expose them.
The doctors just shook their heads and said, this guy, I
can't explain it, how is he doing this?
And Henry Belk and Doctor Baharich, those were the two
people went down there, the two Americans, they would experiment

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with touching, just touching theeye with anything.
And it hurts. I, I actually work for a
tenometer company where where you get tested for glaucoma.
And I had trouble just having the thing touch my eye, much
less cut into it. So you saw how dramatic it was.

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He just cut into it. Now at that time there were a
lot of psychic healers and thereare magicians, David Copperfield
type, who were very dishonest and they would use like pig guts
and things like that and bring it out and make it look like it
was psychic healing. Lots of that went on and Henry
Belk exposed a lot of that, but he couldn't expose a Rigo.

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So there are people who have powers like that.
And even in mesmerism, mind hacking for the millions that I
teach is for people who have no abilities at all, like me for
instance. I really don't have any
abilities to speak up. But if you don't then you have a
way of accessing the subconscious for everybody.

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But with mesmerism you have powers of healing as well as
access. And just like there are sports
superstars, some people can throw a baseball 102 miles an
hour and other people can only get can barely get it thrown.
So with mesmerism you have the Babe Ruth's of mesmerism, you

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have the the star, the superstars of it and it just
depends on your abilities. In my book, Mesmerism and
Miracles, it's really about why can't we do this ourselves?
I mean, why have someone else? Because when you do get
mesmerized, you are connected tothat person and you may not want

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to be connected connected with them.
It's as as Swami Nitty Gritty and Donald Leigh said that it's
more personal than hypnotism. And a great hypnotist, Milton
Erickson actually said that onceyou're connected with hypnotism
alone, you you're connected for life.

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That's it. Whatever that means.
I don't really know, but it doesn't sound like a good thing.
And since we have these superpowers, almost like Neo in
The Matrix, he thought he was Thomas Anderson until he finally
realized, wow, I'm not. But people had to come and tell
him. And usually that's the case you

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need if you're born in a prison,you won't know there is any
outside until someone comes in from the outside and tells you,
hey, there's an outside there. It's like Plato's cave.
They saw the shadows in The Caveand they thought it was the real
thing and wouldn't believe anybody who told them no,

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there's a real outside there. Psychedelic drugs kind of opens
that up to at least other levels, but there's even levels
beyond that that we don't understand.
And I've studied with people whohave been there and they have
taken me there themselves for brief periods of time, almost

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like, what was the name of that movie, The Dragon Slayer, do you
remember? He was, he was a boy that had a
guru that died and he was slaying Dragons and doing all
kinds of valiant things. And he got to think he was doing
it when it was actually his gurubehind the scenes that was

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protecting him. And he then realized how how
much danger he was in. And he had such a big inflated
ego over it at the end when he realized he was being helped.
And that happens a lot. We have help from beyond
wherever it comes from. Hard to say, but I've met a,

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I've hung out with a lot of gurus who have had of all
persuasions. I've had rabbis, I've had Sufi
merchants. In fact, I have a picture here
and I just found recently and put on Facebook.
This is me as a soupy a long time ago.
When you had hair. I actually had hair back then.

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Wow. What year was that?
That's really cool. That was back in 75, just before
I met Adono Lay, and after that I met Adono and of course,
that's one picture of us together.
Anyway, I have a lot of photographs here of Adnan and

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various gurus that I've. We're going through a lot of
things that I'm finding photographs that were buried
under boxes and boxes and boxes and things.
Anyway, Adnan was definitely at a stage of enlightenment.
I think people come in differentstates of enlightenment.

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I have ideas about that. But we when you're, when you're
not enlightened, you can't tell what state these people are in.
I do know that Donnell Lace seemed to have the most
understanding of how the cosmos works of anybody I've ever met.
And he is probably my main mentor and my guru, so to speak,

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for a Western person to say that, whatever that means.
And he just had insights and could do supernatural things.
I even have a friend that says that she levitated with him.
And a lot of it depends on your how much you can believe you

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know to to know is actually or to believe it's to know.
And when you go to the state of knowing instead of belief, you
actually can do these things andthen you know how they're
operating. A miracle is the yeah, a miracle

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is the cosmetics of the actual experience, as the Donald Lay
put it. In other words, we see it as a
miracle. Just like if we went to the
Amazon and showed a native who had never seen a civilized
person. We showed him ATV set.
We could tell him it was magic, right?
Well, the same thing happens with the miracles that these

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gurus and merchants and various teachers show.
They're actual physics, but we don't understand it.
And Rigo is a classic case. He's probably one of the most
dramatic healers that have ever come down the Pike.
I have actually had a session with a Brazilian healer before,

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Alberto Aguas and he he actuallyworked on me where he I had
teeth problems at that time and he actually caused my mouth to
get numb. So that was pretty impressive,
but nothing on the scale of a Rigo.
He would basically hold his hands in the polarity position

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for 1/2 hour and just stand overyou.
And during that time you would get effects and people, people
obviously went to him because hewas internationally famous.
He came from Brazil to the United States, he went to Europe
and and he was well known, but certainly nothing of a regal

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estate. I have working in a metaphysical
bookstore for five years. I obviously saw a lot of fakes,
but I saw the real thing and there were real people who
showed up, including Sean Harabance, who was the most.
He was psychic, but he was the most psychic ever tested by

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Doctor Rhine, who was a famous investigator, and Dr. Rowell,
who was another one. So he would give sessions to
make some money because he he worked for no money for the
universities. When they were examining him, he
used the Zener cards and all the, the trappings that they do
to bring about psychic abilities.

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And there are psychic people we,we communicate.
I, I probably could, could, I probably had about 500
experiences myself at least. And I could sit here if we had
time all day. I could go through it until the
incidents that happened. It's like you probably, and most
people have had some kind of experience, like, OK, Vibrant

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Gal was talking about a friend that she had in Hawaii that she
hadn't seen in years. And as soon as she started
talking, the phone rang and it was her friend after years.
And another time when I was at the Phoenix Metaphysical
Bookstore, the owner and I were talking about a friend of ours

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we hadn't seen in a year. He was in Mexico and the phone
rings and the owner said that's probably Terry now.
And it was he had actually escaped from Mexico because
they, they had a warrant out, because they, they took his
property because there were valuable artifacts on it.

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So it was like a like a adventure movie out of it.
But those psychic things happen all the time and many times
people discount them. Many times they're very big and
many times they're just small. You think about pineapple juice
and somebody shows up at the door with it, those kind of
things. Is that like synchronicity?

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Some of these things. That's the word and it started
happening to me as a high schoolstudent, maybe even earlier.
I remember dramatic effects of it happening.
And so I became fascinated with Carl Jung who wrote about it and
that led to the EJ. So I studied the EJ for years
and even even taught it not as aSinologist where I I could I

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speak very poor Chinese and not at all even it pronouncing the
words. But the idea of how the E Jing
worked and worked in my life, Itactually directed many of the
things in my life where I used that at one time.
So I taught the principle of synchronicity to people.

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I even taught it at a Catholic University night school.
So they they let me do it because I taught meditation
there too. And the Catholics are actually
very Catholic. If you look at the dictionary,
Catholic also means broad minded.
I was surprised how they let me teach meditation.

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I had I had the biggest night school class.
It was so many people signed up.They had to have an auditorium
and have two classes, these separate ones, because they
couldn't accommodate everybody in one class.
So that's how many people signedup.

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Of course, they had to get rid of me the second semester
because the rich donors said that guy's the devil, he's a
teaching meditation. But the Catholic fathers had no
problem with me. But they said, you know, we get
most of our money from these donators, even though you're
providing a lot of money by teaching these workshops.

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But but we got to let you go. But we like you.
That's a shame. Stranger World.
So with synchronicity, do you think it to happen?
Is that what you do? You know, it's, it's beyond

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thinking even. All you have to do is show up
for the experience. When I first met Swami Nitty
Gritty, I was really into the EJ.
So I asked him what is synchronicity?
And he said, you ever set your alarm clock?
I said, yeah, does it go off at six O clock in the morning when

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you set it for six? Yeah, that's synchronicity.
So that seemed like a really simple explanation.
But then he had an interesting explanation which he used a lot
to show the principle. There's a principle called photo
finish in horse racing. When both horses come in at the

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same time, they're nose to nose.That's where the expression
making it by a nose comes to also.
So they show the horses coming in and if they both come in
exactly the same, that's a photofinish.
And O'Donnell said that's explanation that is

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synchronicity. But then he said an interesting
thing when all the horses come in at the same time, that's
Nirvana. And that blew my mind.
I'm still think about that today.
Because if everything happens atthe same time, nothing happens.
And that's the definition of Nirvana.

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No thing. So enlightenment is actually no
thing. But as Donald said, the action
is actually in the action, not in the Nirvana.
So Nirvana is an abstract, abstract principle that we can
achieve. But as he said, our real, a real

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enlightenment is to enjoy the movies.
That's what the Enlightenment isbecause you need light to see
the picture. But the real Nirvana is blank.
It's black, it's darkness, it's not light.
Light is what happens when we start moving around and and
having the action of what goes on and.

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He doesn't mean death, does he? Well, well, According to him,
there is no death. They and Yogananda and all the
gurus say that it's a concept that we got to have in our mind.
It's hard to remember that when you have relatives die and when
you think about having a close cause yourself.

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But he was very much into that. Like it or not, we survived our
decent burials, as he would say.And when he left, there were
signs that he was still hanging around too.
Although, although he said usually we just move on to the
next step. But he said an interesting
thing. You're not completely dead for

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three days. So it's always made me nervous
about that when you die and thenpeople bury you ahead of time.
There was a book called The Romeo Era by Lyle Watson I
believe was his name. And in England 6000 people a
year are buried prematurely. They're not dead.

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Still today. That book was written in the
70s, so I'm supposed it's still going on.
In fact, that was well known about 150 years ago. 100 years
ago. That's why they would bury
people who had money with an airvent down into their grave and a

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bell so they could ring it. The most famous story about that
is a pioneer family had their son died.
I think they had other sons too,but this one died and they
buried him in a coffin. The wife had a dream that he was
alive in the coffin and trying to get out.

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And the husband thought, you know, she's obviously in grief,
so I'll just show her. I'll dig the grave up.
The son was alive. He came to out of death.
And these states happen commonly, according to Liane
Watson, and they happen in Haitia lot.
That's why, why Wade, I don't even remember his name now, but

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Wade, something went down there to investigate the zombie
phenomena and they had a drug that did it.
It's related to something calledfugu, which is in Japan.
You might have heard of that one.
It's a gallbladder or you eat the yes.
And, and there have been so manypeople die of eating fugu in

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Japan that they have a three daylimit on people dying.
For instance, one time two people ate food and were
paralyzed in that state. One of them, they got the
relatives, they buried the person and finished it.

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The other guy, they couldn't find his relatives.
He came to a week later and he was pronounced dead.
There was no pulse, no anything,and Wade Davis I believe was his
name. He went down to Haiti to
investigate it and found out it was a very real thing and wrote
a book about it called Serpent in the Rainbow.

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I believe it made a really cornymovie out of it.
It was a good movie, but it was pretty much made-up.
But his book The Serpent in the Rainbow, I recommend reading it.
It's a very good book. I think back in the 17 or 1800s
were tuberculosis here in America and I believe in in in

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Europe when it was prevalent andpeople were dying from it.
I think they called it consumption before they were
dying. But I think there is a
phenomenon back then when they thought that they were Draculas
or something, or they were doingsomething to where they would

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open the coffins and they would take the heart and the lungs and
whatever out, and they were burning it and then having
people drink it. I don't know if you've heard of
that story. So when they were doing that,
they had found a lot of people that were still obviously buried
alive because they saw scratch marks in the coffins.

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So, yeah, so that happened a lot, and that's pretty scary.
They have, they have a lot of cases of that scratching on the
coffin. And in fact, the story goes that
because Christ rose from the dead, they started burying
people 6 feet down because they could dig out in 2 feet.

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They didn't want the competition, supposedly.
At least that's Lyle Watson's version of the story.
But there are there are such cases.
Since I read that book, which was quite phenomenal to me at
the time. I believe it was written in the
in the 70s. He also wrote a book called
Super Nature. Very interesting about things.

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We can't explain the nature and it's valid.
People do go into these paralytic States and and there's
no breathing, no anything. Of course, I've talked before
about the Yogi who was buried for 40 days and 40 nights and
validated by the British military and the highest Indian

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in India, their their Raja and whoever was the head of the
particular state that they were in.
So it happens. I had heard that story about the
Yogi. It was a New age story going
around. But then I found the actual
documentation. It's in the British military and

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a Colonel Townsend was his name,learned the technique.
A British Colonel learned the technique.
He could die for shorter periodsof time, a day or whatever.
And one time he didn't come backthough.
So he didn't quite master the technique.
He did it one time and never came back.

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So it takes a bit of caution when you when you do things like
that. Yeah.
So I guess I don't know what thepolicies are like if you pass
away in a hospital, they put youin one of those freezer places,
right? The cold places.
So should we have something in our will that says don't, don't,

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don't autopsy us until three day, until the 4th day,
something like that? Because what if you're still
alive? You know, I think there should
be such a thing because I've read, I've lived in libraries,
so I've read widely and in all cultures I found this three day

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thing. It's three day resurrection in
Christianity, it's three days here and there.
And in all cultures, so-called primitive ones as well as
civilized ones, they have this three day rule.
It's three days for a butterfly.It's all kinds of things.
So, so I would, if I were in charge, I would definitely have

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a rule about that, to watch the body.
I have a friend who was dead for18 minutes and he had an
interesting experience. I bet he did.
He claims he went to heaven and he talked to Saint Peter and
Saint Peter told them you're notsupposed to be here, but it's up
to you. You you can leave or you can go

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back, but you could go back because there's things to do.
He said, OK, I'll go back. Well, what happened?
He was in that the room they have in the hospitals, they
shoved the bodies in after they die and under a sheet, a nurse
for some unknown reason, call itsynchronicity or whatever, she

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walked in and started pounding on the body.
And he woke up and I hung out with him.
Yeah. He was he.
He learned hypnotism. He learned other things.
He hung around to Donald Lay andwas with another friend who had
one of those death experiences, too.
They both gravitated toward eachother.

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Swami Nitty Gritty initiated both of them because he said
they had both experienced death.And so they know.
They know there is no death. And so he initiated them.
And they were very good friends of mine.
So I think a lot of people in different religions agree that

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death is just of the physical body and something happens to
the soul eventually, whether it's three days after or, you
know, later on. But they believe that the body
itself is what dies. Exactly.
And, and by the way, Donald Leigh, you hear a lot of people

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talking about soul and spirit and all of that.
He had a unique idea about it that you don't hear often and it
makes perfect sense, he said. What dies or or what do we lose
is the spirit and you may have had stories about when a person
dies they lose like 3/4 of an ounce or something like that in

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in weight and that is the so-called spirit.
But the soul, there is no individual soul.
If anything, it's, according to O'Donnell, it's actually
mistranslated. It should be soil.
And it's what he called 144 elements.
In other words, what what makes the drama go on?

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But it's a hologram, so there isno actual soul.
It's a, it's a, it's a misconcept.
But the spirit comes and goes. That's why he said in most law,
when a child dies after they come out of the the womb, if

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they take no breasts, there's nothere's no funeral.
But if they take one breast, there's a funeral.
It is now a person. So the personhood is actually
legally someone who takes a breath.
If you don't take a breath, you're not a person yet.
And that's the way it works. Besides all the arguments about

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abortion and things like that, this is how the spirit works.
That's interesting. I've also heard where people
have seen when you pass away, like truly pass away, that their
soul, spirit, whatever it is, kind of hovers around the body

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for the again, the three days again.
That's kind of weird too. You know, it's, I believe the
the, the spirit or whatever it is, something hovers around or
is in the vicinity. I don't think it's maybe can
find the space. I had a a girlfriend back in the

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day and she told me when she wasa child, a young child, her
grandfather appeared at the footof her bed.
And this is a common story. I'd studied those.
I was interested in that in grammar school, about how the
spirits would come to the foot of the bed.
Jung had those experiences too. And anyway, they it scared her

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so she ran into her parents roomand said, grandpa just appeared
at the foot of my bed and she's sobbing and crying and the
parents, of course you had a baddream, you'd be OK, be fine when
you know. And then the phone rings, the
news that her grandfather had just died.
So there are so many stories like that.

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And I've met people who have hadthose stories that something's
going on there, whatever it is, if it's there's some kind of
replay from the past or futurismor something else as an
explanation. But it does happen.
And of course, in grammar school, I was interested in that
kind of stories. I didn't have the concept of

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yoga and other things at that point, not until I came to
California and I read a book. No, I read a serialized version
of a book before it was releasedcalled The Search for Bridie
Murphy, about a woman who was hypnotized and went back into a
past life in Ireland, an American girl.

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And they, they gave addresses, street names, everything, the
whole life in detail. And in that book also was
measured. Edgar Cayce.
So right away I had to know who Edgar Cayce was, so I got into
Edgar Cayce. At that time, there were only
four or five books at the most on Edgar Cayce.

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Once the 60s came along, whatever his name was, that made
him famous. Now I'll bet you can find 2000
books on Edgar Cayce. And I was so fascinated with
Edgar Cayce in the 9th and 10th grade and through high school

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that I wanted to go back to Virginia Beach.
And it turned out that Adonalay had taught at Virginia Beach
with the son of Casey and we hadan Adano reunion back there.
And I finally got to go to Virginia Beach and to the to the
Edgar Cayce Center that was there too, so.

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Wow, that's interesting. I didn't know that you mentioned
hologram. So you think the spirit is in a
hologram? Or do you think we are in a
hologram? I think holograms exist in some
mysterious ways. We can't say that each of us in
reality or actuality, there is no us.

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This is a movie. Just like in The Matrix, there
is different characters, there are not there.
Something exists beyond it. But in The Matrix, it's more
people. But that's not the way it works,
according to O'Donnell. This is a movie and, and we're
experiencing it, but it's enjoyable.
Just like we go to a movie theater and watch it.

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It's the same thing. We we enter the reality by
darkening our reality that we have now.
So that you enjoy the the movie,you don't leave the lights on in
the theater. You can with television, but in
the theater, to make it more real, the lights are darkened
and then you fade into another dimension.

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Meditation works like that. If you wish to get to another
dimension, you must have darkness to find the light
within. And then all these shows exist
within. Obviously when people dream that
happens, they go to I've had, I've had dreams so realized I
thought they were actually happening to me and when I woke

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up it was almost still continuing so.
Yeah, that's weird. I talked to a person that
thought we were living in a hologram, and my question to
that person was, well, how are we feeling then?
If we're in a hologram, How can we feel not only pain and

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physical touch, but love and allthat stuff too?
How does that work? You know it's called the Ouch
principle. O'Donnell called it a That's the
hardest and the the ultimate, ultimate dimension to him is the
first chakra, not the last one. He said.

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It's easy to walk through walls in the astral and in dreams and
to fly and things like that. But when you can do it in the
actual. That's why he was actually able
to levitate do things like that buy locate master Chen said he
could too and Adnan had a picture of his guru, his teacher

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with a sword through his belly and he said he was able to whirl
through a wall saw him whirl through a wall.
Now that's a physical wall. How did that happen?
So what we call touch again is programmed in just like if you,
if you are subjected to Elon Musk, the you could feel things

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that aren't even there and you can feel and you can see and you
can smell and you can do all of those things.
So all these things could be easily explained by smelling.
The problem with the Silicone Valley gang is they don't under
they confuse mind with consciousness.
Mind is the action that goes on.Consciousness is called the

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watcher, where you experience what's going on and that may not
be pleasant or it may be pleasant, it depends.
But the watcher just watches, and ultimately enlightenment is
watching. It's not doing anything.
Once you start doing things, even good works, you're still

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not enlightened because you're caught in the Matrix.
Imagine instead of getting out of the Matrix, if Neo had gone
back and said I'm going to join a political party and change the
company I work for. There's no company, it's all a
fiction. So this is something I get

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caught in. I get caught in politics until I
start to really think about it, that it's all a dream.
These people are bringing karma back from on and on and on.
It's the Bhagavad Gita. Have you ever heard anything by?
Jason Risa Giordani. No.

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I don't agree with a lot of things he said, but he
understands that principle of the the big drama involved and
and how there's always going to be a reckoning for a karma.
Oswald Spengler understands thatthat civilizations come and go.
They age just like a human being.

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They start in the spring and then they end in the winter.
He, by the way, said that the West is in decline.
This is all faded. He he actually predicted in his
book over 100 years ago that when the end would start to come
is when we would have a synchrony of ideas.

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In other words, before math was math, physics was physics,
engineering was engineering. But now they put it all
together. They do spectrum analysis of
chemistry, not just chemistry, and then they do math on top of
that, and they do all these things.
So. So when I read that book, it

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blew my mind because I realized he was predicting what's
happening today and it's even more relevant.
I'd like to read the book again.It's a huge book with powerful
insights, and historians hate them because they can't
understand them. In fact, reading that book,
frankly, there was a lot of it Ididn't understand either.

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But anybody who wants to get a good read, if you can find the
unabridged 1, they hide it. I mean, it's really hard.
I don't even think it's being printed anymore.
Maybe I think it is on the Internet now.
But when I read it in the library, I couldn't find, I
could only find abridged versions because I wanted copies

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for myself. And I even ordered two other
unknown books by him to come to the library where you read them.
You know, when you get a couple of weeks to read them and you
give them back and they send them to wherever they, they came
from? But, but anyway, there are,
there are mysteries in our livesthat we, we just are told this
is how it is. You're born, you work a job,

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you're 8 to 5, you help society,you do that and then you die.
And that's just not the case. So are you afraid of death?
Or do you believe there's because you believe that there's
something more? Are you OK with death?
The the little boy in me is afraid of death.

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Yeah. I don't like the idea at all.
I'm actually. I've been very lucky, though.
Despite the tragedies that had in my life, I've had a really
good life. I've had, I, I have met 100
gurus of different types. I've just been at the right
place at the right time for these experiences to happen.

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But I see other people being bombed and killed and murdered
and serial killers and all of that.
And I don't like that at all. So, so every time I hang around
with a real teacher, though, they say it's it's not an
illusion, but it's a delusion. What actually happens is not

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what we think happens. Something is happening.
It's not like totally not there.An illusion is not there, but
the delusion is. We put our feelings in it and
say that's how it must feel, butwe don't know that.
It's just a supposition that theother person is feeling what you
would feel when you have that experience.

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So as Donald Light put it, everybody is subject to what
they can stand and no more. And I kind of had some insights
on this. One time I used to go up to
Bouquet Canyon and sleep on the ledge of a Cliff.
And it would be fascinating. What would it feel like to jump,

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to fall off the Cliff? And it really bothered me.
Well, one day I I got up and I slipped and I fell and I'm
falling through the air and I thought, wow, this is how it
feels and I hit a ledge. Now what is talk about
synchronicity? I hit a ledge that I didn't see
and suddenly I'm on a ledge. Oh good, I don't have to fall.

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I know what it feels like now when you let go and what can you
do? You can't do anything and and
survive. That's crazy.
That was a case of synchronicityand believe me, I had my my
share of the lucky saves from being in accidents or being

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killed or whatever. Yeah, that, that is amazing.
Yeah. I I'm certainly terrified of
death and. And just recently my stepfather
passed away so that, you know, it's on my mind.
So it's kind of Yeah, it's So what it's like what happens

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after death, you know, you have those thoughts.
What about the ghosts or spirits?
Are they part of this three day thing or part of your soul?
Or what do you? What do you believe that is?
You know, you would probably saythey were spirits and how they

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exist is a good question. There might even be multiple
ones. There's a story of a Tibetan St.
who when he died there were different versions of the
religion that religions as it formed around them.
So he gave them bodies, physicalbodies in multiple locations.

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So bilocation is supposed to be a reality?
Master Chen, when I studied withhim, said he could bilocate and
an interesting thing happened tome one time we were out doing
Tai chi on an abandoned, what would you call it, a non

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functioning tennis court at a ranch that I was staying at.
And while we were doing it, a jet flew over and I felt this
like wow, Chen just connected with that jet somehow and I had
this strong feeling about it andthen just forgot about it.
So we went in the in to do the workshop inside and at that

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point, Chen said while we were out there, I went up into a jet
and was sitting beside the lady and she was worried about
crashing. So I told her what can happen.
You know you can't do anything about it, so don't worry about
it. And I thought and I thought,
well, I felt and can connect with that jet now Chen could

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read minds. So he could have been just
tricking me. You know, you, you never know
when when a person could read minds like he could.
And both the Donald prude, he could do that.
Chen proved that, hot non provedthat.
And those are the three people who definitely have proved to me

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that they could read my mind. Yeah, yeah.
That's that's yeah, that's something.
But that still doesn't explain spirits or ghosts do.
Do they believe anything of that?
Well, sort of Donna believe thatwhen you leave, you leave but

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you leave perturbations of you behind.
So, so he said you a dead dentist can't pull your tooth
tooth. So don't worship a God or or a
guru that has left, left switch to the next one.
So he was very explicit about that.

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But something exists after deathbecause with him alone after
after he left, he left the smellof roses behind.
And that was very unique. In fact, his girlfriend, when we
flew back from from the so-called funeral, her trailer,

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she had left a statue of Saint Jude burning.
And I smelled roses coming out of the trailer and saw her
crying. And I knew there were no roses
in that trailer, that that smellhad occurred.
And by the way, the the Saint Jude statue had burned down,

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leaving a heart in the middle ofit.
The heart was carved out of it and so very unique.
The roses experience happened three times after his death.
Actually a fourth time too, thatI smelled it after his death.
What was that about? How did that happen?
He was associated with roses, and when he died, he smelled the

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roses, which he predicted that that would happen.
He said the psychologists are familiar with it and scientists,
but they call it holy neurosis. How do they get, how do they get
such names out of things like that?
Because he definitely smelled byroses.

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I was there at the funeral, so Iknow about it.
And by the way, talk about synchronicity.
I came back and they were going to print a funeral thing out and
I said I didn't come here for a funeral.
I came here for a resurrection. And I walked over to a Bible

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that was lying on the table and I opened it up randomly and
pointed my finger to Lazarus arising from the dead.
Will you think that didn't freakout the people in the room?
So my friend Tom Lumpkin got on the phone and called.
Can you change the the flyer? Sure.
I'm just about to print it. Timing again to a resurrection

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service that by the way, broughtabout we got in the news over
someone who's rising from the dead.
So the news got the, the Mortuary and everything have
caused a big thing where they limited people and tried to slow
it down. But he wasn't rotting.

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He wasn't, he wasn't frozen or anything.
And he he wasn't breaking down. And we had the mortician was so
fascinated that he came to the funeral.
He came to the funeral and investigated it.
And his and Donald had also predicted that his brown eyes

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would turn blue and they did. And I asked him if he had ever
heard of anything like that, andhe said he'd been morticing for
a long time and he had never heard of a case like that, or a
case of the body not breaking down like it had.
So he was actually at the funeral a week later.
A week had gone by and the body wasn't decomposing.

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Wow, but he was actually dead though.
He was dead. He never did resurrect, even
though I kept on finding things about resurrection.
I on the plane just before we landed in Richmond, VA, I opened
a book up to There Was a Guru. His name is not coming to me.

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But anyway, he said I'm going togo away for three days if I
don't come back, bury the body. And so he just died for three
days. But they didn't bury the body
and they came back. So there are many cases of
Yogi's doing that and about the the death, not into the death
and the resurrection cases in the body are not just exclusive

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to the Bible. They have happened in many other
places where people have seemingly rise, risen from the
dead. Apollonius, I believe Apollonius
of Tyre was one of those people.So, and of course, I was even
fascinated with Apollonius. I believe in grammar school

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there were a lot of things I I was studying and just led to as
a kid who had access to books and libraries even then.
Wow, how how long did you work with them or mentored with the
Donnelly? You know, I met him, it would be
14 years on and off. And I spent a lot of that time

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with him. I went to his school, the Texas
Institute of Reflex Science witha lot of people who there are
still people on Facebook that were in that school with me that
I'm still friends with. And, and it was, it was like
living in a fairy tale, frankly.So I missed that kind of thing.
There was a there was a miracle going on constantly and

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synchronicity. One time, I'll just give you a
small instance. We're in a Chinese restaurant
and the Donna was telling us be careful who you learn a language
from because their traumas in their voice are transferred to
you in the teaching so you can actually get their traumas.

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Well, we were in a booth and next to us was a lady.
And she said, excuse me, I couldn't help overhearing you,
but I'm a professor at, at UCSB.And that's exactly my
conclusion. Recently, by the way, I saw her

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obituary that that woman, I recognized her from the from the
booth in the picture in the local newspaper that she had
gone on cosmic vacation, as O'Donnell preferred to call it.
And O'Donnell, he wasn't very old, was he, when he went on
cosmic vacation? No, he wasn't.

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And he had to see. He had fallen off a building
when he was in his 30s. Yeah.
And he had broken so many bones in his body and had died three
times. He said everything was three
with a dollar. He he had died three times.
He claimed Yogananda pushed him off the building, by the way,

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But but he said that showed thatthere was no deaths.
He was in the hospital as a hospital, not as he called it
for one year and nine months lying in a bed and he became
friends with the Doctor Who actually turned him on to
colonic therapy and other thingsafterwards.

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They the hospitals were more progressive back then.
Obviously for a doctor doing that was the head of the
hospital. I later find out he worked for
the CIA too through the program operation not paper clip.
What was the other one? There was another one that.
Bluebeam. Which is it?
Bluebeam or Blue Book or blue? Something like that.

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I don't remember either. There's so many.
One of those, it was definitely where they were doing
experiments on people with with LSD.
In fact, he did those experiences, experiments on the
Donna with LSD and he's lucky they didn't.
They didn't go in because they went in and did.
They went in and entered the brain and cut parts out of the

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brain and did all kinds of really terrible experiences.
He talked about that and it tookme 10 or 15 years to validate
that. One of them, there was three
places in Canada they did that because they didn't want to do
it in the United States and get busted.
So they moved the CIA program toCanada, and Canada cooperated in

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three locations. Yeah.
Those Cias, I tell you, they do a lot of things that I don't
think is very good. They're still operating and I, I
know some things about them I'm not going to say because I don't
want you to get in trouble in YouTube.
Mum's the word. I have actually come across a

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lot of conspiracies and actuallybeen in the right place at the
right time for the right experience to see things happen.
And but anyway, Mum's the word. Did did O'Donnell A believe in
demons or do do those people believe in demons?

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O'Donnell believed God is his own devil.
So if it's all a movie, you're you're you're not going to.
What you think is a demon is notthe demon.
It's something to work out your karma however you want to work
it. He actually called, he said
Satan was Uncle Natus. He said Satan is the director,

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goddess, the producer and you'rethe actor in the drama.
So he really took it and lived his life like that.
Like he wasn't afraid of things happening because he he was in,
I was even in several dangerous situations with him from time to

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time and also situations where it didn't look like it could
work out possibly, but it did. And, and things just fell
together for him all the time from the edge of the precipice.
I like the in the tarot there's a card called the Fool.
And to me that is real enlightenment.
He's stepping off the Cliff, buthe's going to be saved because

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that's the zero card. And you get 1-2.
Then you go through the whole deck after that.
So obviously he survived, but here he is with a thing of one
of the hobo things over his backand he's walking off the Cliff
and yet he knows he's OK. I have attempted to have that
attitude, but the synchronicities and the miracles

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that happened to me, I somehow have embraced the idea that
worry is part of the process of synchronicity, and that's not a
good idea. I don't know what used to say.
I refuse to worry on the groundsthat it will corrupt my divine

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mechanism. That's interesting.
Did he or do you believe in kundalini?
I mean, what is kundalini? Is that part of this
enlightenment process? Yes, no, maybe as he would
answer. Here's here's the deal on

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Kundalini. We are a sperm and an ovum.
If you look at a spine, does it not look like an ovum and and
does the sperm not wiggle its tail?
Well, what do they say happens with kundalini?
You wiggle your tail and it brings the energy up to your

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head. Well, according to Adano, the
kundalini ends at the medulla oblongata and the medulla
oblongata is where it joins the obum.
So we have two chakras, we have a system of spermal chakras and
we have a system of obum chakras.

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So in Saint Montt and religions they say that the 10th door is
here and that is the entrance togo back.
Some say here, but actually Adono said to the medulla, the
mouth of God directly behind themouth of man.
And the mouth of God is the onlyinstant part of the brain.

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It is where consciousness starts.
Assassins call it the sweet spotbecause if you kill a person
there, they can't yell any placeelse.
You shoot them in the head or stab them in the head or
whatever you do, they can yell, but they can't yell there
because it's instantaneous. So the spermal chakras come up

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the body and they can't get any further because they have to get
to the sperm to form an Organism.
So the first chakra is actually in the middle of your forehead
where they wear a bende. In India they say it's the third
eye is here, but the third eye is the tents door which is the

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way up. Whoops is the way up and and it
goes to the medulla oblongata. So you basically have 8 chakras
starting here and going up to the flat spot.
There is a flat spot in the backof your head.
Can you feel like a ski slope? They never show that in an
anatomy. And then there's a bump and then

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you go into the medulla. So the medulla is number 8, the
bump is number 7, and the flat spot is #6 and the flat spot is
the control of what Adano said is mind acting on mind.
At that point, if you have mastered the mind over mind

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area, it's all mind and then youcan make play out of this
universe. Any other level below you don't
have that and above you're not interested in it anyway.
It's the ascended master level, the God level, and it doesn't
have anything to do with the drama.
But he said if you become the dealer, then you have mastery

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over the environment. So it's all a movie and you just
watch it and you know, it's a movie.
Most of us suspect it's a movie from time to time, but out that
hurts when you fall and have accidents and whatever happens.
So other people don't seem to mind.

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You see people walking on buildings and everything where
they don't seem to be bothered by death.
And there are soldiers who actually can develop a force.
I I met a soldier one time that got all of his troops in Vietnam
through the war without a singledeath.

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And I asked him, did you have precognizance?
Did you know where the enemy wasgoing to be and where the
bullets were going to come? And he said, yeah, I did.
And the reason I asked him that,the founder of Akito, Akito
Yeshiba, he said he could do that.

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He survived the war by knowing where the bullets were going to
be. So he just wasn't where the
bullets were going to be. And Chen apparently has that
ability, too. Is that even?
Could that be something like synchronicity or thinking it?
It's close to it and and it evengoes beyond thinking.
It's experiencing it without thethinking where you get past it.

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It's an, A causal principle, as Jung called it, where basically
two things should be connected. Like if I push this domino over,
it hits another domino. Well, in this case, you push a
domino over here and, and in another country, the domino
falls over. So there's no obvious
connection. And of course that fascinated

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me. I, I read books on
synchronicity. There were there were other
authors of it that called it andPaul Camera.
I believe he had his own versionof it.
So I would I just became fascinated with it because I was
living it. I have so many synchronous
experiences. Even in high school, I, I had a

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friend, for instance, I, I go toDisneyland after we graduated
and he's at Disneyland with his family that same day.
What are the odds? And by the way, my parents
thought I went home with him. He thought I went home with my
parents. I started walking home from
Disneyland 50 miles. I got rescued finally, but

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another time I went walking someplace and I realized I had
my 20 mile walk was more than I could really do.
So I started jury come and come and pick me up, come driving
over the hill, driving over the hill and there he came driving
over the hill said what are you doing here?
I said waiting for you because I'm tired.

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Could that be something like a prayer?
That kind of things, you know, like you, you, I don't say wish

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it to come true, but kind of prayer, you know?
I think prayers work. You know it it George Carlin
says if, if, if God has divine will, aren't you messing with
divine will to have prayer? So it's a complicated thing, but
but I've seen it happen and whether it's part of the drama

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or what it is, I've seen it happen.
I've seen people wish for things.
I've I've been rescued out of serious situations and I've
also, I'm going to tell this story again.
I may have told it already, but it's just an example of things
that happen. I drive down, I used to drive
down to Hollywood early in the morning and it was an all night

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newsstand and I would buy bodybuilding books.
So coming back, I, I thought I wish a, a store like this would
form in carpentry or Santa Barbara so I didn't have to
drive 100 miles down to 80 milesdown to Hollywood to get these
magazines. So I come back and the bank was

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not quite open yet. It was 5 minutes at 10.
So I meditated sitting on the front of the bank and I open my
eyes and I look across the street and I seek a sign, bills,
novels and news. And I thought what?
So I go running across the street and I said how long have

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you been here? I just opened 1/2 hour ago.
I said, wow. I said, you know, if this is
true, I thought to myself, I'm going to quit the gym and, and
I'm going to work out at the beach because they're going to
build monkey bars and everythingdown at the end of the beach.

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And so I'll just wait for them to do that since that was
possible. So I go back and I open the
health food store. I would open it at about 11:00
or 10:00. When I open, someone comes in,
hey, go back and get your your refund.
They're closing the gym. So on the exact day, I thought
that I get my money back, and then it took seven months for

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them to buy, to build the monkeybars at the end, exactly where I
wanted it, at the end of the street.
They're still there as far as I know, and I worked out as it at
the bars. Now what is that?
Those kind of synchronicities are just amazing.
Yeah, it is. No, I never heard that story.

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That's the first time I heard that one.
That's pretty cool. Yeah.
So when things materialize like that and and my Sedona trip for
one month, I won't go into because that's that's a whole
show in itself. I had remarkable, I've actually
had remarkable things happen in Sedona.

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It is that, well, you've you've been there.
It's beautiful, isn't it, those red rocks just absolutely
beautiful. But there are a lot of things
happening in that town. Definitely, absolutely,
absolutely wow. And is it because the people
come together? Is it because we think that and

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then it allows it to happen? But things do happen in Sedona.
Yeah, I don't know what that is.Do you think prayer works better
when there's more than one? When it's like a group?
When two or more are gathered in, yes, I do.
I do. It works for meditation, it

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works for prayer and it works for That's why a lot of times
for peace. They have people organized.
If more people did that, there would eventually be peace
because it would actually spreadour thoughts are real things.
They can, they can kill people. They can they can heal people.

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There are healers at distance. It's been proved that people can
think of someone and then they get they get better and this has
been done for a long time. Yeah, I guess it works the other
way too, because I think what they call the evil eye, if
somebody doesn't like you and they got that evil eye against

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you, it could cause bad things to happen too.
You know they can, and the military uses it, and I think
they're still using it today. I probably told you I had a
friend named Frank Broski who was very athletic.
He could do an Iron Cross in high school.
He was in gym and everything. And I phoned him 1000, No 1500,

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miles away from Houston to Sepulveda, California.
And on the phone I said, you want to do an experiment.
He said sure. So I had him hold out his arm
and I had his sister-in-law press down on it and he's really
strong. Then I simply lowered my hand in

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front of his central Meridian, visualizing it and being in the
direction and I said now test him and his hand went right
down. This is like almost 2000 miles
away. And then I said, OK, let's try
another experiment. And I lifted it up and now he's

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stronger than he was before. So if I can do that at a
distance, what is happening to us?
We actually have to be careful when we move our hands up and
down. That's why I didn't do it in
front of you because you can lower it.
We even say I'm feeling down, I'm feeling up.
There's a reality behind it. That same Bill at Bill's Novels

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and News, by the way, one time Ishowed him, I showed him a
technique where if you do this, you can weaken a person.
I demonstrated on him and then Iwent up.
Well, a martial artist friend ofhis came in the store after that
and he said you want to see something.
And his friend said sure. He said hold out your arm.

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And he did that to him and weakened and strengthened him.
And he said, my teacher never showed me that.
So it definitely works. There's no doubt about it that
we have energy and we we can. And some people have more of
that energy than other people where they can do more.

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So it can be done for damage or it can be done for good.
And that I'm convinced that not only there are there psychics
that are hired by the military, but there are psychic assassins
as well. So.
Yeah, I agree. I know sometimes I hear people

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on the Internet and stuff because they don't like a
politician or whom whomever and they will all try to pray or do
whatever they do In Sync to stopthis person or stop whatever.
So you know, whether it works ornot, but I don't know, but it

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could I think. I think that evil eye definitely
can with enough energy and focus.
Rupert Sheldrake has done many experiments and shown that you
can feel eyes looking at you andthat it can be done.
And even if you have a video camera, you can feel someone

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looking at you. And, and he's a scientist.
He just didn't make this stuff up.
He did numerous experiments. Another thing he found out that
dogs know when their owners are on the way home and and I've
experienced that. My friend is a psychologist in
La Jolla, Sandia Gouge, and she has these two dogs.

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So I noticed that they would be at the garage door about 5
minutes before she'd get home and I thought can I really be?
So one time they ran to the doorand I went to the front window.
5 minutes later she comes driving up and I thought wow
those dogs know. I mean either they have super
hearing and getting in the car amile away or something else is

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going on. Yeah, that's right, a mile.
Away in in a car and we're in the house, yeah.
Could be. That's incredible.
Yeah, that's incred. Yeah.
Synchronicity is a pretty interesting topic, that's for
sure. It's I've been obsessed with all

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of my life and of course the E Jing.
I studied that quite extensivelyand all the perturbations of it,
how it works and actually used it to actually the aging has
made me so mad. I've thrown 3 copies in the
ocean because I didn't like whatit said.
And what what came is the one time it said I was moving back

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to Texas from California and I didn't want to go back.
So I threw in the ocean and I was, I was at the beach with my
friend Sandhya Gouge, by the way, and she said what are you
doing? I don't want to go back to
Texas. It said I'm going back to Texas.
2 weeks later I'm back in Texas.So do you use that to know like

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with with your moving, do you try to, I don't know what you
have to do to synchronize that, but do you do that to help with
what you want to have outcome happen?
You do it to find out what's thebest for you and then but the EJ
says you don't have to follow its rule because sometimes they

(01:15:50):
go against it. You find out what's happening.
So one time I asked the EJ if I should go to Reno and I wanted
it to be a good outcome, but I didn't ask for money or
anything. But it turned out it made money.
It was a very good trip. And so it it what happened,
happened. So actually, yeah, the E Jing

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has worked for me dramatically sometimes and.
What is E Jing? Is that the same thing as
synchronicity, just like in Chinese terms or something?
I think it's really translated as the book of Change or they or
they. There's a lizard book because
lizards are like chameleons where they change.

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It's been called and I'll give you a classic example that
really changed my life. When I first met Adano, one day
I I was in the shower and I threw something.
I threw the soap and it hit the soap dish.
For some reason, I took it on myself.
That means I'm supposed to move back to California.

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And even though I just met Adanoand that seemed like a wild
idea, but I started giving stuffaway.
Then I said, well, you better ask the easing first.
What about moving back to California?
Thumbs down. Now I was upset because I really
wanted to move. What about moving to Colorado?
Thumbs down. What about moving to.

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I went to about 8 or 9 places and each one gave me a miserable
forecast. So finally I said OK, I hate to
ask this question but should I stay here in Houston?
Yes, you should stay here in Houston.
After that, I, I decided to, I was going to have a class, that

(01:17:43):
class at that Catholic University and, and I decided I
was going to put my energy into helping Adono have a workshop
down in Houston and organize it.Well, I got called by the
newspaper because the head of the program decided since I'd

(01:18:04):
helped him get some classes together, he let me do the
talking. That's how I ended up with so
many people in my workshop. I ended up in the front page of
the newspaper of the Today section, whatever they call it,
in Houston, and my whole life changed.
I ended up going to a school andthe whole bag of works.

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And probably I might not have continued with Adano because I I
had met him only three, 4-5 months before and I had decided
to go back to California on the whim.
Didn't quite work. So is each ING a card deck or is
it like a heads or tail kind of thing?

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It's a book of what they call 50gua or or hexagrams.
You're often called there's 6 lines and on the six lines you,
you, you get a reading out of it.
You get a first one and then youget where it's going out of
moving lines. If a hexagram has no moving

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lines and how do you get it? Now there's ways to do Yarrow
sticks, which are complicated. I used to do it like that, but I
do I do it simpler these days. You basically 3 heads is a
moving straight line, 2 heads and one tail is a non moving

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broken line, one straight line and two broken lines are a Yang
and then three heads or a yin. So basically you get a reading
out of that without explaining it deeper, and then it tells you
things. And the idea is though you kind

(01:20:03):
of use your intuition to what itsays, but often it says
something very dramatically withkeynotes.
That say something that don't actually relate in the same way
Golly, it is hard to understand or to explain the E Jing in a

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few minutes or less. I used to do workshops on it and
teach people how to how to do it.
And that doesn't mean again, I'mnot an expert in China.
It just made perfect sense when I started using it and and for
synchronicity. It has told me things and I have
actually we directed a certain amount of my life from what that

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book said. So interesting.
I'm kind of here today because of the E Jing even.
Have you used E Jing to to to set forth where you will be
going in the near future? Yes.
Well, not. Not now.
Actually. Maybe I should do it now.
Come to think of it, this is theobvious time to do.

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It yes, Yes, exactly. Exactly.
I have two copies of that. I'm going to keep both copies I
have. I also have explanatory volumes
about it. There there are some good, there
are some real BS versions of theeating out there and the Wilhelm
Baines is my favorite. It's just filtered through Carl

(01:21:27):
Jung and who did the introduction to it and is
favored by him. It it of all the versions and
I've I've owned just about all the versions there are or were
lately. I don't know.
They probably have new spin offs.
I'm talking about the 70s or 80swhen I was really into it and I

(01:21:48):
was buying every book on the eating I could possibly find.
And anyway, it it just it it because it had to do with
synchronicity. Now, Adano made it simpler.
He said if you have a decision to make, flip a coin.
And here's one of the rules, by the way, you don't flip a coin.

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Should I play on the freeway? Anyone can.
You don't have to think about that, but it's something you're
honestly split at. Should I, should I move to
Ventura or should I move to Galita?
And then I really don't know because there's benefits on
both. I've analyzed it.
That's when you ask and it givesyou insights on it.
Again, the aging says you don't necessarily have to follow it

(01:22:33):
because sometimes you follow it's a sea what had happened,
what it warns you about. If if the warning is really
great, maybe you shouldn't follow through.
But anyway, it, it, it just, I favored it.
It worked for me and I enjoyed it.
And I really liked how they explained how it happened.

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The book by itself. Even if you don't use the
Wilhelm Baynes book as a, as an Oracle and you just read it,
there's good advice in it. There's good advice on how it
came about in the history of theejang, how the hexagrams build,
and just fascinating. How old is that aging?

(01:23:19):
How long ago has it been around?It's kind of like the Bible that
was written at different, different times, you know, But
it was older. It goes back, I'd say maybe 3 or
4000 years when it was first started.
First started as etchings on turtle shells and other places.
They saw these markings and theymade sense.

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Kind of like tea leaf reading orseeing certain things in the
environment. A lot of times I have used
incidences like birds and spiders telling you certain
things about life. Donald told me that when he was
living with the American Indians, they they slowed down

(01:24:04):
at one point and he said, why are you slowing down?
The bird just told that that that a bird just told us that
the police car is around the corner and there it was.
So one time I'm in Carpinteria and I'm going to speed down the
normal Rd. I used to go down the side the
frontage road and I see a crow flies right in front of me so I

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slow down to really slow and there was a police car waiting
right around the corner. Vibrant gal has We've
experienced that when we see a bird flying in front of the car
we slow down. Doesn't always happen, but the
odds are that there's a police there and maybe the other times
we don't see the police car. He's didn't do well.

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That's interesting. I have a sign for me is not for
the police car, but whenever I see a butterfly that things are
going to be OK. Every time I see a butterfly,
I'm like, OK, that's going to beOK.
That's one with me too. Yeah, really.
Yeah, the butterfly is a sign ofresurrection, and Donna called

(01:25:12):
it Butterfly Hood. And I actually wrote a book
called Butterflies Need No Taxidermist, which is off of his
statement because, as he said, all a Caterpillar has to do is
eat itself. The butterfly hood, it doesn't
have to be smart, doesn't have to do anything, just eat.
That was the basis of solar nutrition.

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And he said if you stomp, a Caterpillar will rot, but a
butterfly won't rot. You don't have to preserve it.
You just stick it on the board when you have a butterfly
collection. And it is a remarkable thing.
And he said this is what the body can do.
What the human body can do is shown in nature.

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Nature gives us examples of whatyou can do and can't do.
And the butterfly, he said, is the highest, the highest that my
that mankind can meet, can, can go to.
So butterfly hood. That's interesting, I have a

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citrus trees in on my lanai and for some reason the what is it
called? It's the green butterfly.
It's the oh, I can't remember it's it's a green butterfly and
they lay eggs and eat from the citrus tree here and I just I

(01:26:39):
have a video of it. I just saw a green butterfly
female obviously laying her eggsall over my tree.
It's not a tree. It's just a little the
houseplant basically on my lanai.
It's because every every three months probably another green
butterfly comes and will lay eggs and then the whole bunch of

(01:27:01):
caterpillars will come and you know, they eat the tree up and
the leaves will be pretty much gone by the time they cocoon and
then they become butterflies to fly away.
But it's not that generation that comes back.
It's like probably what, 6 or 7 generations later will come back
because now the tree has to growback.

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And then it just grew back because probably about four
months ago I had a bunch of other caterpillars come.
So they they recycle here on my lanai all the time.
It's the green butterflies. Wow.
Yeah, it's beautiful. I have.
It's really weird when I, when Inoticed that they're butterfly

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or, excuse me, caterpillars out there.
I, I really enjoy them. I'll pet them and I'll talk to
them and I'll pick them up and I'll talk to them, you know, and
then I'll put them back on the, on the leaves and, and there's a
couple of times when I didn't notice that there was a
Caterpillar till it was too late.
It was already pretty big and itcocooned.

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So the the butterfly or the the butterflies, when they were
caterpillars, when I talked to them and pet them, they weren't
afraid of me. When they became a butterfly
after they were born, they wouldcome right on my finger and I
could talk to them. And eventually when their wings
dried, they would fly away. And they will come and visit a
little bit and they'll go away. But the ones that I didn't get

(01:28:32):
to interact with, they were afraid of me.
I mean, they would actually, when I would, when it became a
butterfly and I would talk. Oh, hi.
And I would try to get to it andput my finger, it winced back.
And he was afraid of me. Yeah.
So they, they, I don't know if they recognize my voice or they
recognize me, but yeah, they, they would be afraid if I didn't

(01:28:54):
start grooming them when they were little by petting them and
talking to them. Yeah, yeah, there are
connections with animals like that.
I've had some myself. What are the most remarkable
things by the way? I think about this.
Adonal always said that before you start killing the insects in

(01:29:15):
your home, like roaches and stuff, put a notice up that
you're going to kill them if they don't evacuate.
And so and so. But it never seemed to work.
But then, but then the co-authorof or yes, no, maybe
Chronobiotic Nutrition, Marcellavon Harding, I told her about

(01:29:38):
that. So she never put any kind of,
she only, she only would be interested in any kind of
roaches that were in the house, but never outside.
Well, one time it became so great outside which Adonal said

(01:29:59):
don't kill. She decided to get traps to get
them outside. So she did and now suddenly all
the roaches came inside. These were these big tree
roaches. They all started coming inside
included in a huge one I saw in the guest house.
They came in the main house. So I told her, you remember that

(01:30:20):
Adonal said only take care of him in the house, not outside
and I think you should stop trapping him outside.
So she went and took the trap away and all that were in it
were crickets. There was not a single Roach in
the trap anyway. But she took the trap away.

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And then one day they were all out of the houses.
They just still outside around the pool and around the
backyard, but they were out of the houses.
So it actually worked for her. I don't like cockroaches,
especially the big ones. We call them here kamikazes
because they're so big. They do the dive bombs, right?

(01:31:02):
So we call them kamikazes here in Hawaii.
Oh my gosh, I hate those roacheswith a passion.
And I don't like the little roaches either.
And I don't know if I want to. It's almost inevitable here in
Hawaii that you're going to haveroaches in your house.
It's, it's just a warm climate. But yeah, I don't like them and
they have to go. I, I will save the spiders.

(01:31:27):
They're allowed to stay, but notNot the roaches, no.
You know, I don't know if you'reaware of this, but in Hawaii
there is a folklore where you drink Roach tonic.
For a cold, no. A friend of mine is Japanese,
her name is Mary Kisanaga, and she said when they were raised

(01:31:51):
they didn't get sick because youhad.
To drink Roach tonic? No thank you.
Never heard of that. I don't know if that's made-up,
but I've never heard of that. Yeah, she's disgusting.
Actually had to. And they did that also in
Australia. So one time on a interview show,
they said if you could come out up with a a remedy that I don't

(01:32:17):
know about, then we'll send you a recording of my recording.
And I called in with that and gave three sources and I said I
never heard of that one. You got the recording.
I'd rather drink my own urine than than drink roaches.
McDonald said they were the bestsource of selenium.

(01:32:40):
He said selenium works in the dark for light and dark, and he
said the Roach has that. That's why they're so high in
Selenium. So he recommended it too.
No thank you. My husband used to be a pest
control at one time and he wouldgo around killing these roaches
and stuff. And he said he talked to this
one homeless guy before and theywould eat these big the, the

(01:33:06):
kamikaze ones. And he said that they are hard
going down because of the, the, the spines and you know, I can't
even think about it makes me sick.
But it was hard going down because of the Spurs or whatever
on them. I won't be eating any either.
I can tell you that too. No way.

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No, I cannot no that that just. I was so freaked out when I went
to Texas and I I stayed in a house where there were so many
roaches that when I got up in the middle of the night, no
exaggeration, there were about 1000 on the kitchen table alone.

(01:33:49):
I believe it. And when I tried to kill him, it
was like they came out of everywhere.
There were millions of roaches in that house.
Yeah. Texas is famous for roaches, and
they come in new homes, too, andthey're really hard to get rid
of. So we have a few once in a while

(01:34:10):
here, but they just don't proliferate like in the South
and Texas particularly, especially the wetter part of
Texas and East Texas, Houston, Port Arthur, Beaumont, those
places. Whoa.
Yeah, I, I think that's like here in Hawaii.
In fact, I can smell them because they have a particular
smell, right? So whenever we go into

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restaurants, when you walk in, if I can smell it, I'm I'm not,
I'm out of there. Yes.
I have another friend of mine that used to do pest controls
and he said he had to spray thiselevator shaft and for some
reason they were just infested with roaches.

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I think it was because it was next to a trash chute.
And he said there was millions upon millions and upon there was
so many roaches. And of course, once you start
spraying, they go crazy, right? They start running and all.
He said there were so many ones that molted.
So they're white. I guess they change color.

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I don't, I don't know the anatomy of of roaches.
But he said those are rare to see, and there were so many in
this shaft that it was incredible, he said.
And of course he was spraying it.
Yeah, it's pretty gross. I have actually a couple of
Donald Lay wrote stories, never one.

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I asked him about roaches. I asked him is it OK to kill
another animal? Because I got into that whole
thing of, you know, you don't want to kill anything.
And he said it is absolutely immoral to kill any, any
creature. And then he looks across the

(01:36:01):
room and he goes stomping acrossthe room and swats a Roach and
says be a honey bee. And my other story, to show how
he could read minds, I had a friend that was very violent
when he was a teenager and when he was young and when he first
met Adono, he had these violent thoughts.

(01:36:24):
So he said he was actually sitting across from Adono, they
were meditating and he just feltmurderous thoughts like he, he
wanted to, he wanted to do something.
And Adono opens his eyes after they meditated a while and
without looking swats his hand backwards and squashes a big

(01:36:46):
Roach on the wall without even looking.
And he looks at my friend and said funny the thoughts we have.
That is really weird. I think I heard a story with it
was Graham Hancock on another podcast and he was saying that

(01:37:10):
he was at doing some meditation,but I think he was doing the
meditation with the ayahuasca and he said there's some people
that was in the group of people that they were meditating upon.
I guess they can jump in on to your thoughts or something or in
your mind somehow and and they are very dangerous.

(01:37:33):
I forget the whole story, but hewas saying something about the
meditation and people coming into his thoughts and that was
very dangerous. So just just made me think of
what you just said. Yeah, it is.
It can happen. People can can read your mind.
When I first I experimented withthat when I first was

(01:37:54):
experiencing psychedelics, I wasmarried to my second wife and we
decided to do mind experiments. And the first thing I thought
not ayahuasca's. This was a this.
It was either LSD or it could have been another.
Type of LSD. I think you told me this.
Yes, Yes. And she, so I said, I'm thinking

(01:38:18):
of a woman's name. And so I thought, Gertrude, I
don't know where. And she said Gertrude.
I said, yes, So those you know, it definitely does increase your
sight, your psychic power, whichbeing can't get you in trouble
too. Yeah, but it does.
Meditation does also another thing that does.

(01:38:41):
I ran experiences holding a person's feet and thinking
thoughts and we could. We actually had some success
that way well before. We weren't able to read each
other's minds, but we could. We definitely increased our odds
and certain thoughts came through.
So touch is another one, physical touch instead of

(01:39:02):
distant touch. But the good psychics, they can
tell from a distance and there are real psychics who can do
that by, according to a Donald Lee, microwave is actually what
they use. We have it in our brains and
everything the scientists are trying to do.
If we really weren't within, we could develop all of these.

(01:39:24):
It just takes training. Just like you don't just start
walking on a tight walk right away.
You may have to fall quite a fewtimes on the low tight walk
before where you can do it. The same thing with meditation
phenomena. You have to work to get there.
It just doesn't happen. You don't just sit down for 20

(01:39:44):
minutes and say what happened, Ishould be enlightened or I
should be having psychic powers.It takes it takes real work.
Hours of hours of work. Yeah, that's true.
Well, thank you again, Adam, forsharing your deep knowledge and
insights with us. Every time we have these

(01:40:05):
conversations, you challenge thenorm, that's for sure.
You open your doors of understanding and you always
push us to question what we think we know.
So your work is invaluable and Itruly appreciate your time, your
wisdom, your energy. That you bring to the show.
But before we go, where can, where can anyone can, where can

(01:40:30):
they find you? Where can they find your work?
Where can, where they, where canthey go to find you and follow
you to learn more from you? Wait a minute, do you have that
vibrant Gallon is going to hand me a little visual.
We like visuals here. Yeah, solar timing dot com.

(01:40:52):
Awesome. OK.
And when? What can they find at solar
timing? All your books.
Too many books, lots of books and and he mounted his horse and
rode off in all directions. So I've got books on mind
hacking for the 1,000,000 on mesmerism, color therapy.
You almost can't name the books I have.

(01:41:15):
I particularly recommend the Solar Nutrition books and the
The Mind Hacking for the Millions and the Mesmerism
books. Butterfly needs no Taxidermist
is. I still use that as a reference
book. Also, I sometimes forget to
mention Sun Sync. Nutrition.com for $99 one time

(01:41:41):
only. We I have about 2000 blogs
there, an explanation of Solar Nutrition or Sunsink Nutrition,
same thing, and all kinds of other information on herbs and
what time to take them and many other features on that.

(01:42:03):
And again, I write regular blogson there.
I've been writing them since 2014.
I have a Indian friend from India that lives in Appleton, WI
right now. How I got that site is I was on
Patrick Timponi show while he was still alive and I said I

(01:42:27):
need an Internet guru. So he phoned up to show and said
my name is Guru and I'm an Internet person and so he set up
the site for his. Wow.
Synchronicity. Wow.
There, there it was, yes. That's amazing.
He's a good friend of mine, I don't see him much like he's off

(01:42:48):
at other places worldwide lately, but really nice person.
But anyway, sunsyncnutrition.comfor 99 bucks one time only and
then we have all kinds of thingson there, including my regular
blogs. Awesome.
Well, I'm looking forward to ournext conversation.

(01:43:08):
We'll see where that one leads us to.
Same here, We may be at a new location at that time.
You think? We, we're hoping so we our, our
plan, by the way, if we'd, if weraise money, we would like to
start a center and a studio and really get hybridology color

(01:43:29):
therapy. I mean, the whole works out
there to the public. But if not, we'll just we, we
are OK to get a new home. It just will, will continue like
we are. We'll be on Facebook, we'll be
on your show. We'll be selling books and will

(01:43:50):
be mostly booksellers and I always give advice on Facebook
for anybody who wants to know. Basically, a Donald taught me
something called Selfless service.
And I, I enjoy helping people. So and so many people make
health complicated. Like you need all these
medicines and everything. And actually, it's often very

(01:44:13):
simple. So keep it simple.
Stupid is one of my maxims. And I, I like the idea we, we
just make things too complicated.
And health, health does not needmuch money.
Fresh air, fresh water, fresh sunlight.
Yeah. And light.
That's all red light. We have one behind us right now.

(01:44:37):
You can probably even see is that red light shining?
Well, anyway, we have a red light going.
I see, yes, I I do see a a tingeof orange from from this side,
yes. That's what that is.
Awesome. And again, it doesn't have to be
a $500 lighting array. This is like a $12.00 chicken

(01:45:02):
warmer. Oh.
Yeah, yes. Yep, Yep, Yep.
That's awesome. Well, thank you again and I
appreciate it. And I can't wait for our next
conversation. So I will.
I will e-mail you. Please thanks.
Hello. And that brings us to an end of

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another episode. I want to thank my special
guest, Adam Bergstrom for sharing his invaluable insights
and deep knowledge with us today.
It's been a fascinating journey through the world of mind, body
connection. If you found today's discussion
and lightning and want to learn more, remember to visit
adam@solartiming.com and check out his Facebook page, Sun Sync

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Nutrition and a huge Mahalanui Lua.
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sensibly Until the next time. This is your host reminding you
to listen to your body, sink with the sun and keep chasing
the deeper truths. Aloha to our next journey
together guys. Bye.
I see you coming, talking in.

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That's why my dad is pumping. Yeah.
I'm up to balance through your fingers.
Tighten up. I can't escape you now.
I can't escape you now. Come on, baby.
I know you want. Don't.
Don't make us up. Come on, baby, I know you wanna.
Don't, don't make us up. I'm moving, speeding up the

(01:47:57):
track and keep them swimming notuntil 3 as my fingers.
I can't escape yet. I can't escape yet now.

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None.

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