Episode 133. Reloaded : The Second Coming of Saturn┃Derek Gilbert

Join Derek Gilbert as he traces Saturn’s evolving identities across ancient civilizations, from Kronos and El to Dagon and Molech. Explore the rituals, symbols, and veneration of the Rephaim—spirits of the dead—central to Saturn worship in Mesopotamian and Amorite cultures.

Learn how families summoned ancestors to ritual meals using teraphim idols, a practice that shaped early Christian traditions and persists in modern saint veneration. Derek uncovers how these ancient beliefs connect to biblical prophecy, pagan symbolism in the U.S. Capitol, and events like the 2020 Great Conjunction and January 6, 2021.

Discover why understanding Saturn’s motives matters today.

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Episode Transcript

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The Hurrians had a similar storywhere their old gods were led by
one named Kumarbi and he was overthrown by the storm God,
whose name was Teshup, who became the king of the gods.
And after the 1940s, scholars looking at this realize, oh,
this is the same story the Greeks in the Romans told about

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the Titans and, you know, Zeus, Jupiter.
But you can even take it back farther.
And you find that in Mesopotamia, there's a similar
story with Anu, the sky God being replaced by Enlil, who in
turn is replaced by Marduk. In Canaan, you had a a sky God,
Shemayim, who is barely mentioned in the Canaanite text,
but he's replaced by El, who in turn is replaced by Bail, the

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storm God. It's the same pattern over and
over. Even in the the Norse pantheon
you've got Odin, the old king who's replaced by Thor the storm
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guest, Derek Gilbert. He's an author, a broadcaster
who dives deep into the connections between ancient
mythology, biblical prophecy, and spiritual warfare.
You've probably seen him on Sky Watch, TVA, View from the

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Bunker, Unraveling, Revelation, PID Radio, and Gilbert House
Fellowship. This conversation is loaded with
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Welcome to this show. You are a renowned author, a
broadcaster known for your deep dives of ancient myths, biblical
prophecy, modern culture, and today we're especially excited
to talk to you about your fascinating work on your second
coming of Saturn. But before we dive in, you have

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several platforms, including A View from the Bunker, Skywatch,
TVPID Radio, Gilbert House Fellowship, and something I
found out today was unraveling Revelation.
You also have an app with all ofyour podcast on there, which is
how I found the unraveling revelation called GHTV or

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Gilbert House TV. Yeah, Sharon and I've been doing
this podcasting since 2005. We started podcasting way back
when Apple was still begging people to submit RSS feeds.
So I think there's like 6 monthsafter the Code to Syndicate
podcast have been developed by was it Adam Curry and Dave

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Weiner. And so we were early on in the
game, but I, I had a broadcasting background.
So we were just trying to look for tools that we had where we
could try to market a series of novels that we were working on
back then. And it turned out that we
started podcasting not to marketour novels.
We started writing. So we'd get into the podcasting
and that led to interviews with people like the late Doctor

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Michael Heizer, LA Marzulia, whoI know has been a recent guest
on your program, the late DoctorTom Horn and and others.
And that led to where we are now.
I mean, just essentially one thing led to another.
It became a passion, this investigation, this research,
putting the pieces together. And so podcasting became a means
of learning from these other folks, but then diving into

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other academic works, scholarship, we found a number
of good sources online where peer reviewed scholars or
scholars will will upload their peer reviewed research for
others to access and benefit from.
So you know, a lot of what we domay sound fringe.
In fact, I know if you go to a certain some of the AI tools out

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there and ask, you know, who is Derek Gilbert, who is Sharon
Kate Gilbert? We are fringe pseudo
archaeologist, pseudo historian whose beliefs?
All right, fine. We'll wear that as a badge of
honor because all of the information that we're drawing
from to come up with these conclusions that may sound
fringe to people who've not beentaught this stuff is based on

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sound academic research by people who have done the digging
in the field. People, you know, epigraphers
who've translated the original text and then published it and
had their work cross checked andcross referenced by others.
So our conclusions may be wrong,but at least it's not based on
speculation and it's what we were designed to do.
Yeah, I I don't even know how you have time to do everything

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that you do. You do so much.
No kids at home. No kids at.
Home that helps. That does 2 dogs, but two dogs.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're like children
though, that's for sure. Is that how you met your wife,
through broadcasting? Because she also has a voice
like broadcasting, like you. She does, but she was actually a

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professional singer. Oh, I didn't know that she.
She's, oh, yeah, yeah. She spent more than 20 years
making a living with her voice, both fronting bands.
I mean, she was a rock'n'roll singer, but she also trained to
sing opera. She sang jingles at a studio in
Indianapolis for some time, singing with the likes of Patty
Sandy Patty and Steve Green. So she's got a trained voice in

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that regard. I just got into broadcasting
when I was in in college, started out at a campus radio
station, got involved in in broadcasting, which I am willing
to admit now was because of a basically being insecure and
finding out that there is a certain segment of the
population, young ladies who areimpressed by a guy who can talk

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into a microphone. You know, at the time that was,
hey, if I can do this and get paid for it, then why bother
with something like, you know, going to law school or getting a
business degree? I did get a degree in econ, but
I wound up going into broadcasting was in that for a
number of years and that really looking back on it was training
for what we're doing now. But no, we did not meet this

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way. At the time we met, I was
selling steel, steel pipe specifically for a company in
Saint Louis and Sharon was an adult student at Indiana
University. So we were living a couple 100
miles apart and back in 1997, she had been divorced for some
time. My marriage was falling apart.

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And so, you know, I was just, I was a Mr. Mom with a, with a six
year old daughter at the time, 7year old daughter at the time,
and thought, OK, I'd like to meet somebody else.
I really don't fancy spending the rest of my life as a single
dad, but I'm not, you know, I tried the bar scene when I was
younger, in my 20s and that didn't work out so well.

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So I thought, all right, I, I know that there are personal ads
in these newspapers and, and whatnot.
You know, Saint Louis has got analternative paper called the
Riverfront Times, but their personal ads are at least back
in the 90s, they were really scary.
So then I heard about this thingonlinecalledmatch.com and you
know, again, this is 1997. So this is when only 20% of

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America was even getting online.So think about that. 80% of
America was not online at the time.
I went online and like within hours I found this beautiful
woman in Indiana whose interestswere really intriguing.
And so I sent her an e-mail. She sent me an e-mail.
At the time it was, you know, through usernames.

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And then eventually we exchangedphone numbers.
This was when you still have to pay for long distance calls.
And so, you know, one thing led to another.
We met that I think we first communicated in July of that
year. We met, we met in September, we
married in January of 1998. So here we are 26 years later.
And you know, it's clear that the the Lord had a plan in this

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because I can't imagine anyone else in this world who gets me
the way she gets me and vice versa.
So, and just to show you the hand of God in this, there's a
little survey when you sign up for these sites.
What kind of woman are you looking for?
What kind of man are you lookingfor?
How far are you willing to travel?
And I checked the box that said 200 miles.
And later we looked and from my house to hers in Bloomington, IN

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was like 195 miles. So my friends thought I was
crazy. Might like they're two and a
half million people living within 50 miles of you.
What's the what's your, What's your?
Hey look, if she's worth spending the rest of my life
with, I'll go 200 miles and lo and behold, it's a good thing I
checked that box. Yeah, that's amazing.
I never heard that story before.That's so cool.

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Yeah, I mean. There are some people who say,
have you actually seen a miracle?
It's like, well, sometimes we have to maybe expand our
definition of what miracle is. It's not always a bolt from
heaven, you know, consuming and a Pagan sacrifice with fire.
Sometimes it's something a little more mundane, like why

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did I make that decision? Things turned out radically
differently than they might haveif I had made a different
decision. Why was I moved?
OK, I'll I'll call that a miracle.
Yeah, God certainly did answer your prayers, because she
definitely was, yes. Wow.

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That's amazing. Well, thank you for that story.
That's beautiful. So there is hope that even if we
don't always get it right the first time, because many of us
when we get involved in our first relationships are a little
too young to have the wisdom needed to choose wisely.
The Lord can help you the secondtime around or even the third

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time around. And so that that is true for
both Sharon and me. And we are just happy as can be
and and the Lord again has placed us exactly where He wants
us for what He wants us to be doing.
My background broadcasting and just a love of trying to figure
out puzzles and mysteries. Sharon's background, both, both

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in terms of performance, not that what we do involves
performing, but just trying to communicate ideas, how to, you
know, teach and and present ideas in a way that will be
received well. But also her when she decided to
give up a career in music, she decided she didn't want to be a,
a diva. She went back to school and got

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a degree in molecular biology. So.
Wow. That that training is is come in
handy as well. Yeah.
She's got both halves of her brain going on.
She is the smartest person I know.
So yeah. And she married me anyway.
You both are very fortunate to have each other.
That's amazing. I love that story.

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Indeed. You guys make great companions.
When you talk on the radio, it'samazing.
You guys both just click really well, so it comes out really
good. Yeah, I again, I've got the the
broadcast experience, but I am the first one to admit that the
two of us together as you know, whether it's hosting a program

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must be Amazon. Yeah.
That is Grace the rescue dog whois alerting for whatever reason,
Amazon, UPS, FedEx and U.S. Postal Service, those are all
her mortal enemies. So when she she comes out here
to the barn with me to to work and generally she will just lie
quietly and she'll look out the door.
We got a storm doors so she can see out.

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But boy, when a delivery arrives, we know it.
Anyway, I'm I'm the first one toadmit that Sharon and I together
are much more effective at communicating than just me by
myself. So even though I host the Daily
News update for Sky Watch TV, when Sharon and I are together
on unraveling Revelation or a podcast or Bible study, it's

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it's much, much better if there's a dynamic there that
having been in radios and I was in radio for more than a decade
before getting out when I realized it was not a good way
to try to raise a family. I saw a lot of morning show
teams where program directors would partner together a couple
of guys or a guy and a gal, and they'd have to work really hard

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to get a good chemistry. And we, we had it just from the
very first podcast. So, and since we've been doing
this now for 20 years going on, yeah, we've had, we've had a
little time to, you know, practice.
Yeah, I found you both that way.I think it was the Gilbert
house. That's how I found you a long

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time ago. I think it was 2015 or 16,
something like that. I heard you.
But not long after we started itthen.
Yeah, Yep, Yep. I've been following you folks
since, so it's just great. And I love your book.
You your latest or your newer book, the second coming of
Saturn. It's it was truly, I'm truly

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impressed by the depths of your research.
It's incredible. It's clear that you put a lot of
effort into exploring these complex themes in your book.
You mentioned that Saturn has been known by many names over
the last 6000 years, each reflecting different cultures

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and understanding. Could you elaborate on some of
these names and explain how Saturn's identities has shifted
and evolved over various civilizations?
Sure, Saturn is not just the name of a planet.
It of course was the name of a deity in the Roman pantheon.
He was the father of Jupiter whobecame king of the pantheon by

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overthrowing Saturn and throwingSaturn and his that generation,
the older generation of gods called Titans into Tartarus and
locking him up. This is the same myth told by
the Greeks about their king of the gods, Zeus the storm God who
overthrew Kronos and threw Kronos and the Titans into the

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underworld. Interestingly if you it's in his
own. This has only been known now
since the 1940s when texts from the Hurrian culture who occupied
what is roughly the the Kurdish regions of northern Iraq,
northern Syria, northwest Iran today.
But also the Hurrians were founddown into what became Canaan and

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then Israel. In the Bible they're called
Horites, so they're a well knownculture to archaeologists and
historians, but not so much to us today.
The Hurrians had a similar storywhere their old gods were led by
one named Kumarbi, and he was overthrown by the storm God,

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whose name was Teshub, who became the king of the gods.
And after the 1940s, scholars looking at this realize, oh,
this is the same story the Greeks and the Romans told about
the Titans and, you know, Zeus, Jupiter.
But you can even take it back further.
And you find that in Mesopotamiathere's a similar story with
Anu, the sky God being replaced by Enlil, who in turn is

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replaced by Marduk. In Canaan you had a a sky God,
Shemaim, who is barely mentionedin the Canaanite text, but he's
replaced by L, who in turn is replaced by Bail, the storm God.
It's the same pattern over and over.
Even in the Norse pantheon, you got Odin, the old king who's
replaced by Thor, the storm God,the Indian pantheon, ancient

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Hindu, well, not Hindu, but it'slike the the Vedic tradition
where you've got a a storm God named Indra who becomes king of
the pantheon. The Slavs with their storm God
Perrin. It's the same story over and
over in that part of the world. And it all seems to derive from
Mesopotamia. But there's, there's even more

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recent research suggesting that it comes from the region between
the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea, which makes sense if you
believe the biblical history is true.
And Noah's ark came to rest in the mountains of Ararat, which
is right in between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea.
So in tracing this, this character and really this this
came out of the study of Genesischapter 6 and the book of first

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Enoch, which expands on the story in Genesis 6 verses one
through 4, which is, you know, tells how the the sons of God
saw that the daughters of man were fair and took wives of any
they chose. And from these unions, when the
sons of man went into sons of God went into the daughters of
man, which is a euphemism for physical relations, giants were

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born the nepheline. This story expanded on in the
Book of First Enoch, the 1st 36 chapters called the Book of the
Watchers. They were led by a one who is
called chief of the Watchers, called Shemiasa, which is a
Hebrew word that roughly translates as the name Hashem.
The name has seen. In other words, God saw what he

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did and didn't like it. Well, according to First Enoch,
he gets confined to the netherworld along with his
colleagues. In the New Testament, both Peter
and Jude make reference to angels who'd sinned, who were in
chains in gloomy darkness. In fact, in Second Peter 2 verse

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4 he's very specific and says that God did not spare the
angels when they sinned, but thrust them down to Tartarus.
Our English Bibles say hell, butthe word in Greek is not Hades,
it's Tartarosis, literally meaning thrust down to Tartarus.
Now, in Greek religion, this wasa separate level of the
netherworld reserved for supernatural threats to the

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divine order of things. This is where the gods were
confined. This is not where the dead went.
This is where you would put the giants.
This is where you put the Titans.
This is where you put the typhoon, the chaos monster.
This is this is where the ones that really needed to be under
maximum security were kept. And Peter used that word

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deliberately under the influenceof the Holy Spirit.
So you look at that and it's like, OK, now the Greeks say
that they're old gods. The Titans were sent to
Tartarus. Is there any chance that these
are the same group? And I would suggest that yes, it
is in fact the same group. The Mesopotamians had stories of
a similar group called the Opkalu, and in one of their

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myths called the Epic of Era, their chief God Marduk tells of
how he got angry and he sent a massive flood after which he
told the Opkalu to go into the Opsu or the Abyss and never
return. So it's what we what we get in
the Pagan stories, you know, Long story short, the Pagan

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mythologies, which is really just the Pagan religions of the
ancient world are the fake news versions of what's in the Bible.
So I was really curious if we know that there is this, this
creature called Shemiyaza, who God considered so dangerous that
he and his colleagues were confined in chains in gloomy

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darkness in the bottomless pit Tartarus, according to Peter,
while Satan is still wandering the earth, Why don't we see
anything more about this entity in history?
Why did he just disappear? And so I started pulling in
those threads of researching andI think the evidence shows that
this entity, Saturn Chronos known to the Canaanites as El,

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to the to the Philistines and the Amorites as Dagon, to the
Akkadians and Babylonians as Enlil, to the Hurrians and the
Hittites as Kumarbi, the Assyrians called him Asher, the
Hebrews called him Molech. I think this is the same entity
that we're seeing in First Enochas Shemiyaza.

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And when you start digging into the Old Testament, you see that
there are references in the Old Testament that I think point to
this entity. So essentially, I was just
trying to untangle where did this character go?
If he was so dangerous that God had to throw him in chains in
the bottomless pit, why is therenothing more about him in
history? And I think there is.

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It's just been sort of translated out over the
centuries, even though the pagans around ancient Israel
continued to worship him. I mean, the most popular annual
festival in the Roman calendar was the Saturnalia, but the
Greeks had a similar festival called the Cronia.
And apparently the ancient Hurrians, whose version of this

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entity, Kumarbi, is the oldest 1, attested in writing going
back to about 3000 BC. You know, maybe, you know, maybe
there's, there's more going on here.
And we we can learn something about this entity and what what
his motives are and what he hopes to achieve.
Because I think then when we look at Revelation 9 and the

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opening of the bottomless pit, this would be the leading
candidate for the identity of the king over those in the
bottomless pit. Abaddon or Apollyon the
Destroyer? Wow.
Yeah, I was going to ask you about some of these rituals.
Your analysis cover how the worship of Saturn, or Saturn

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like figures has shaped rites and rituals and society
structures across various civilizations from ancient times
to medieval times and even our modern day practices.
Could you elaborate on specific rituals and symbols from history

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that you believe are remnants ofthis ancient worship?
Yeah, the the spirits of the giants destroyed in the flood,
the spirits of the Nephilim later called Raphaim in the
Bible. And it's clear in in the
references in the the Old Testament that the Raphaim were
believed to occupy a place in the in the midst of shale.

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That's in Ezekiel chapter 32, but they're also mentioned
elsewhere in Proverbs, Proverbs chapter 2 as being in shale.
It's usually though the the reference to the Raphaim because
translators until the last 40 years or so when it became
accepted that there was a cult of the dead that it's surrounded

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ancient Israel and at the veneration of the Raphaim was a
regular feature of the religion of the Amorites, the Canaanites
who lived around the ancient Israelites.
The English translations of our Bible generally rendered the
word Raphaim except in places where it's clear that it was a a

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proper name like the Raphaim tribes defeated by the kings
from the east. Ketter Laomer, the king of Elam
in Genesis chapter 14 they defeated the Raphaim tribes in
the trans Jordan. That's the area east of the
Jordan River, but elsewhere in Isaiah 14, In Isaiah 26, a

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couple of places in the Proverbs, in Job, the the word
raphaim, rather than being translated as spirits of the
giants, is rendered the dead or the shades or the departed, as
though they're referring to justthe run-of-the-mill human dead.
And that's not how the Hebrew prophets understood it.
And it's clear when you read in context.
In fact, it's clear when you read the Septuagint translation

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of the Bible, which was translated by Jewish religious
scholars around the year 200 BC,so a couple 100 years before the
birth of Jesus. Working with texts of what we,
you know, Gentiles would call the Old Testament, or what we
Christians would call the Old Testament.
They understood in many of theseplaces that that reference to

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the Raphaim was referring to thegiants, and we'll translate
those verses as such. So when we we do our Bible study
now, we make a point of looking at the Septuagint when we're
going through the Old Testament just to compare how things are
different. After the 2nd century AD, Jewish
religious scholars tried to de emphasize in the Hebrew Bible

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references to other spirit beings because those annoying
Christians kept pointing to things like the Angel of the
Lord in the Old Testament sayingwe know who that is, that was
Jesus of Nazareth. And that's not acceptable in in
in Jewish religious thought. But there's some good scholarly
work showing that until the timeof the rise of Christianity, it

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was accepted in Jewish religiousthought.
There, there was a second power in heaven, the Angel of the
Lord, you know, Yahweh, but not Yahweh.
I mean the physical manifestation of Yahweh, it's
Yahweh, but it's not Yahweh, OK,It's he's like the vice Regent.
It's it's a multi dimensional thing that we humans can't
really get our heads around verywell.

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But that was part of Jewish religious thought until
Christians came around and said we know who that second power in
heaven is. And so there are a number of
subtle changes in the Old Testament, nothing doctrinal,
but just enough there so that you kind of de emphasize it.
So the veneration of the Raphaimwas was central to the religion

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really in in all of Mesopotamia.And you can trace this to the
Amorites in our book Veneration.Sharon and I did a deep dive
into this and found that according to scholars, the
earliest references to this a monthly ritual where people
would summon their dead ancestors by name to a meal, a
ritual meal. It was a necromancy ritual and

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then you would feed the ancestors using terrifying.
Those are those little householdgods or household idols that
Jacob stole from his father-in-law, Laban.
Those were really a big deal. You had to maintain contact with
the spirits of the ancestors. So every month on the 30th of

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the month, which is the night when there was no moon, you
know, the night before the new moon when you start a new month,
30 day cycle on a lunar calendar, the night of no moon
when everything is dark, the veil between the world's was
thinnest, apparently. And so families would sit down
to this ritual meal and they would call the ancestors by
name. I summon the oh, grandma, I

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summon the oh, great Uncle Fred,whatever.
And then they would feed them. They'd take the little statues,
they'd smear a piece of bread onthe face of the OK, that's how
we're feeding Great Uncle Fred. And then they would pour out a
drink, offering a libation. And in some Amorite communities,
in fact, I I read 1 scholar who wrote that in all of the Amorite

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communities that have been excavated in Syria and Iraq,
Canaan, they have yet to find a communal cemetery because people
were buried underneath the floors of the houses.
I guess they didn't want dead grandpa to have to travel more
than about 6 feet to get to the ritual meal.
But they found that in these burials there were often

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libation tubes. They would put a tube to the
body, so when you did the monthly ritual, you would pour
out the drink offering and it would go right to the corpse.
That's how they sustained their ancestors in the afterlife.
And so it was believed by peoplein that day and age, the time of
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, that unless you had heirs, family

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members, descendants who would perform these rituals, you would
starve in the afterlife. You would have to eat clay and
drink rotten, dirty water, eat rotten straw.
You could not, you would not be sustained in the afterlife.
You would fade away to nothing. And this, I think, explains why
Abraham and Sarah were so distressed about not having a
son of their own. But this was so important in

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Amorite culture that scholars have found what amounts to wills
where people would will the ownership of the family gods to
a favored child. Usually it would go to the
eldest son who would take over the ritual.
He would inherit the household gods and inherit contact with
the household gods, the ancestors, and have to keep up
the communication with them. Add, you know, another

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generation to the list of names that you got to memorize and
some in every month. But this tradition continued.
I mean, you remember the story of David trying to hide from the
guards that King Saul sent to get him and his wife, Michael
put one of the terrifying in thebed so that the guards would

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think they were, you know, Davidwas here.
He's in the bed. Great.
We've got the drop on him. Let's let's arrest him.
Oh, it's just a household idol. Why did David even have one of
those things? Because the culture still
believed in this and still there.
There was a, there's a referenceto David's son Absalom in the
second Samuel. It was a First Samuel, might be

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First Samuel, 1818. Anyway, I'd have to look it up
again, but Samuel erected a pillar for himself in the valley
of the, what I call it the Valley of the Kings.
Anyway, he erected this pillar to for for himself to keep his
name because he had no son to keep his name in remembrance.
In a way, this is a reference again to that practice that was

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done by the Amorites. He didn't have any kids to say
his name and keep him alive in the afterlife, even though he
was the son of David, who had gotten a lot of revelation
directly from God the Father. The culture was that pervasive.
This continued into the Christian era.
This continued into the Christian era where the the when

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Constantine the Great, who legalized Christianity in the
early 4th century, 313 AD, the earliest Christian churches
built in Rome, including Saint Peter's Basilica, which is on
the grounds of the Vatican. Now we're built in the middle of
cemeteries because even 300 years after the resurrection,
Christians were still having these ritual meals for their

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ancestors, even though they've been taught by evangelists, by
bishops, you know, priests of the, or pastors of the local
churches. This is not how this works.
The human spirits do not hang around waiting to be fed.
They're with the Father now. They're in better shape than we
are. They continued this rich because

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it was so ingrained in the culture that they wouldn't stop
doing it. And finally, in the 5th century,
Augustine said, well, look, they're not going to stop doing
this, so let's try to Christianize it.
Hey, the spirits of the Saints, the righteous men and women of
years gone by can intercede for us in the world today.
So let's give them offerings andpray to them.

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And this is where the practice of venerating Saints entered
into Roman Catholicism and also the Orthodox churches that can
be traced to Augustine trying toredeem this practice of
venerating the spirits of the dead.
But all of this can go All of this goes back to Shemyazza,
Saturn, Chronos, whatever you want to call them, and the

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rebellion on Mount Hermon where they decided to take human wives
and create this hybrid race to try to take dominion of the
Earth away from the children of Adam and Eve.
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our journey. Now back to the.
Show that's crazy every all of that that's like the day of the
dead that the Hispanic or the Mexicans they.
Exactly. And yeah, and to and to this
day, there are places on earth from Africa to East Asia where

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people still venerate the ancestors.
And if you don't, you can be in big trouble.
There are stories. There's a story last year of a
girl who was beaten in Vietnam because her family had converted
to Christianity. And it stopped offerings,
stopped make giving offerings tothe ancestral dead.
And so the village was like, theancestors will be angry with us.
And so, yeah, it got violent. So this still happens all over

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the world and here in the UnitedStates too.
I mean, look, it's one thing to leave flowers on the, the, the
at the cemetery for your father,your mother, your grandparents,
whatever. That's that's just decorating
the gravesite. That's not sitting down and
inviting them to a ritual meal because you believe that their
spirits will intercede for you in life and give you special

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revelation. That's, it's not venerating
them. That's there's nothing wrong
with that, but leaving them offerings on a little altar in
your home, This is a practice. It goes back to Mount Hermon.
Wow, You know the Japanese do that too.
My mom's side is from Japan and they do the same thing.

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They have that little altar in their, in their home where they
have their dead, their photos oftheir dead.
And they will light up the incense and, and give them
water, beer and whatever food all the time.
Yeah, I it's, I guess it goes back all the way like you said.
No, it continues to this day in Madagascar.

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They take the, the, the corpses of the ancestors and take them
out of the tombs that they builtfor them every few years and re
wrap the bodies and dance with them.
And we, we've talked with a Lutheran pastor who has been
there, in fact wrote a, his doctoral dissertation on that
experience on demonic possessionand exorcism, a book called I Am

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Not Afraid. Reverend Doctor Robert Bennett
is the author. And he said this is, this is
their lives. They, they believe that unless
they appease the ancestors by building them, the, the tombs in
the crypts in which the, the ancestors are kept are nicer
than the homes, than the people of Madagascar.
You know, they've got homes of stone for the dead while they're

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living in, you know, mud huts. And it's, it's because of fear.
They're afraid that the spirits of the ancestors will be angry
And demonic possession is so common there that they've got
that the Christians there have trained lay people in in
spiritual warfare and deliverance ministry because it

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is so often required. And he got there, he saw this
happening right in front of right in front of him.
The first day he was there, a woman manifested and he thought
they were playing a joke on the American until he realized,
wait, they didn't have time to set this up.
What's going on? Because he saw a team of lay
people casting out the demon of a woman who was on the ground
frothing at the mouth and screaming.

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And he said, yeah, this happens a lot.
This is why we are trained to dothis.
So suddenly his dissertation topic changed on how the idea of
demonic possession and deliverance or exorcism is is
scriptural. And again, this all goes back to
the spirits of the demons, the spirits rather of the the dead,
the giants who died in the floodof Noah.

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This was the common understanding of the early
church. Again, we wrote about this in
the book Veneration, and again it comes up in the second coming
of Saturn, because this is how this entity and his rebellion
still affects the world to this day.
Or one of the ways. I I don't think any of us who
are serious Christians would argue that demons are not a
problem in the world today. There are people who do things

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that are just so inexplicably evil and so illogical that they
must be spiritual. Now, whether it's demonic
oppression, influence or possession, that's a matter for
people who are more trained in this than I am.
But there's nothing in the Biblethat says the demonic activity
of Jesus day. And this is a central, a central

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focus of his, of his ministry there.
There's nothing in the Bible that suggests that demons just
stopped at the end of the Apostolic era, but the early
church understood where they came from.
In fact, even the Pagan Greeks understood this.
The poet Hesiod, who wrote a lotof what we know about Greek
religion back in the classical era, he was roughly contemporary

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with the prophet Isaiah, 7th century BC.
He wrote that the spirits of themen who lived during the golden
age when Kronos ruled in heaven.And the term that he used for
and this is really fascinating. A scholar by the name of Amar
Anus wrote this in a paper in 1999.
So this is still really new in the terms of, you know,

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Christian doctrine. He wrote a paper titled Were
There Greek Raphaim? He was looking at a phrase that
was used by the poets Hesiod andHomer, who wrote the Iliad about
the Trojan War and the Odyssey. The the term used for the
demigods, the heroes of the Golden Age.
And that's what hero originally meant.
It was a demigod Nephilim, you know, not, not a quarterback who

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can throw for 400 yards. This was a hybrid, divine human
hybrid, a hero. That's what that meant to the
ancient Greeks and Romans, the term for those beings, according
to Homer and Hesiod, Moropase, anthropoi.
OK anthropoi. It's where, you know, we get the
word anthropology, the study of humanity.
OK, Moropase derives from the same Semitic root word as

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Raphaim. And Hesiod wrote that when the
men of that generation died, their spirits became damons and
they traveled the earth helping humanity and they were kindly
and saving from harm, etcetera etcetera.
The Greeks had a very different view of Damons than Jews and
Christians. That is in fact where the word

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demon comes from. Hesiod nailed it.
When the demigods, the hybrids, the Nephilim of that generation
died, their spirits became demons.
And the early church fathers whowrote about the giants and the
origin of demons. This was the consensus until the
time of Augustine. Augustine is the one who

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popularized the idea that Genesis 6 didn't really mean
angels slept with women. It meant that the sons of Seth,
who were good guys, cohabited with the daughters of Cain, who
were all evil. They were bad girls, and that's
what created these. They weren't really giants, they
were just evil rulers. It makes no logical sense, but
it also ignores what the words in Hebrew actually mean.

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The term translated sons of God,Benet Elohim always, always,
always refers to spirit beings, never to humans.
So This is why we're even interested in this as a topic.
Sharon and me, because we can look at the world today and say,
yeah, demonic influence, it's there.
The Roman Catholic Church, for all of its doctrinal issues, at

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least recognizes this and is trying to train exorcists now.
Their rituals for casting out demons are our friend.
Deliverance Minister the late Russ Dizdar said demons don't
care if you read poetry to them.OK?
It's not about the ritual. It's about calling on the power
of Jesus Christ to cast them out.

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But the fact is, demons exist. They're here.
They were caused by this rebellion in the ancient world
led by this entity, Shemiyazza, who was known throughout history
as Kumarbi, Enlil, El Dagon, Molech, Saturn, Kronos, Baal,
Haman, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
And this struggle against these spirits continues to this day.

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That is crazy. I never knew about hero.
That's something I learned new today.
That's crazy. You mentioned about powerful
people believing that the stars being aligned to to bring them
back to the old God Saturn. How did these astrological
beliefs influence our political leaders today?

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Yeah, it sounds crazy. And as I want to say upfront,
just so people are clear on this, that we as Christians know
that our fates are not determined by the movement of
the planets in the sky. But there are wealthy, powerful
people who do think that. In fact, Ronald Reagan, who is
considered by many conservativesto be one of the greatest

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presidents of the last century, if not in American history, his
daily calendar was set by his wife, Nancy, in consultation
with her astrologer Jean Dixon. And our friend, Lieutenant
Colonel Robert McGinnis is the son of Jean Dixon's personal
secretary. So he can attest.
Yes, this really is a thing. This is what happened.
Ronald Reagan would make his appointments based on the

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alignment of the stars and the planets and so on.
So it shouldn't shock us to to realize that there are others
who really understand that. Yeah, this is, you know, how we
ought to, we ought to do things.Well, on December 21st of 2020,
there was a very interesting astronomical alignment the the
great conjunction of the planetsJupiter and Saturn.

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Interesting for a couple of reasons.
Number one, this happens about every 20 years, but it was the
closest observable conjunction of the two planets, the closest
the two of them have gotten together since the year 1226.
Also, it occurred on the winter solstice, which is a date that
is significant in the the Pagan calendar.
It fell right in the middle of the ancient cycle of Saturnalia,

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the Roman festival in honor of the old gods Saturn, who once
ruled over a golden age. Which is why the Romans kept the
gold in their National Treasury in the temple of Saturn.
But astrologers call this one a great mutation.
See as the conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn move across

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the the Zodiac, across the constellations, they move into
different signs. There are four different types
of signs, Air, Wind, Earth and Water.
And even though Aquarius is the water bearer, it is an Earth
sign. But whenever there is a great
conjunction that finally moves out of one type of sign fully

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into another type of sign, I think we're moving from air into
Earth, if I remember right. I'd have to look it up again,
that that is called a great mutation in addition to being a
great conjunction. So here on December 21st of
2020, which the corporate media was calling the Christmas Star,
this is what the wise men saw. Well, no, it wasn't.

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It was kind of neat. I mean, here in the Ozarks, we
get really dark skies at night. And it was kind of cool seeing
those two bright Points of Lightclose together.
Not enough to get me on a camel for three months like the Magi.
But this, the great mutation in astrology occurs every 200 years

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and signals massive changes in human civilization rises and
the, the, the rise and fall of empires, say 200 years ago.
You go back to the the 1840s, ofwhich I think was the last great
mutation. We had the industrial revolution
really taking hold and the rise of the United States as a world

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power. So here they're looking at this
conjunction in 2020, signaling asimilar sort of civilizational
shift. The United States perhaps about
to fall from its position or decline from its position as the
world's global superpower. You know, the 20th century was
the century of America, The 21stcentury, the Chinese are trying

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to make it the the century of China.
They still want payback for whathappened to them between the
1840s and about 1945, what they call the century of shame in
China. They're looking for a a world
that is, they say, more decentralized, which is ironic
because they're trying to centralized power in their own
hands. The World Economic Forum, I

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would argue not coincidentally amonth after the Great Mutation
announced their plans for the the Great Reset.
And again, I think this part andparcel of the of what these
wealthy and occult adapts, wealthy powerful people and
occult adapts especially see signified in what happened on

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December 21st of 2020. And even more interesting is
that when Jupiter and Saturn met, they met at 0° of the
constellation Aquarius, meaning that 50 years after the 5th
dimension sang that famous song,we are now finally fully into
the Age of Aquarius, which is ruled by the planet Saturn.

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In other words, this is sort of symbolizing a return to the
Golden Age. Jupiter is handing the baton of
power back to old Dad, who's nowback and ready to herald a new
Golden age. And the World Economic Forum,
UNESCO, the Bilderberg Group, the United Nations, they think
they're going to help shepherd this in by fundamentally

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transforming civilization, whichbasically means less power for
us, less freedom for us, more power and more money for them.
You'll own nothing and you'll behappy.
You'll just rent it from the people who do own stuff.
Wow, that's incredible. Wow, I didn't know all that
connection there. You also pointed out occult

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symbols embedded in United States capital that I guess the
hint of the return of Saturn's reign.
Can you describe some of these symbols and historical reigns or
origins? Sorry.
This this really started with Tom Horne's book Apollyon Rising
2012 and then Zenith 2016. He kind of recapitulated some of

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this in his most recent one of his recent book Zeitgeist 2025.
But in that book, Sharon pointedout something that took place
just after the great conjunctionof December 21st of 2020, and
we'll get to that in a minute. Tom had shown in his books that
the United States capital encapsulates some really

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striking Pagan imagery. The National Mall, you've got
the the world's tallest obelisk,the Washington Monument, much
taller than anything that came out of Egypt.
But it symbolizes in Egyptian religion the the male member of
of Osiris, who, according to themyth, had been deceived by his
brother Set cut into 14 pieces. His wife Isis was able to

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reconstruct 13, but was missing the 14th piece.
And so she fashioned one out of magic and stone or whatever and
impregnated herself to give birth to the the Falcon headed
God Horus. Tom argued that the, that the
United States capital with the Dome symbolized the womb of ISIS

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and the, the, the National Mall being the, the, the, the, the
member, the degenerative member,let's put it that way, of, of
ISIS and that the United States capital would be used to then
engender the, the Antichrist andbring him forth in looking at

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what is inside the United StatesCapitol.
And, and Tom has written about this as well, The painting on
the underside of the Capitol Dome, the apotheosis of
Washington, some very interesting imagery in that
painting, a fresco that was painted by a, a Greek artist by
the name of Constantino Brumidi in 1865.

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So this was, you know, 70 years after the the US Capitol was was
built, which by the way, is named at the Capitol because,
and this was at Thomas Jefferson's insistence, he
demanded that it be named the capital, you know, capital OL,
not capital AL. Washington, DC is the capital AL
of the United States. Congress meets in the capital OL

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because that's the name of the temple of Jupiter in Rome, the
capitolium. In 1799, when Jefferson was
arguing with the architect aboutthis, there was not a single
building on planet Earth where alegislative body met in a
building called a Capitol, except for the state of Virginia

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at Williamsburg. And again, it's because
Jefferson wanted to evoke this image of the Roman Republic.
So he insisted that Congress that the architect, Pierre
Charles Lenfon, wanted to call it Congress house.
And Jefferson insisted, no, no, we're going to call it the
Capitol. All right, So it's named for the
temple of Jupiter. Why is that relevant?

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Well, I suggest it because the storm God Zeus Jupiter Bale in
Matthew 12, beginning of verse 22 in Revelation 2 verse 13,
Jesus identified the storm God of the pagans as Satan.
I'm not saying Thomas Jefferson was a Satanist.
He probably had no idea of that connection.
He just wanted to evoke the image of the Roman Republic.

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But if we as Christians acknowledge the, the influence
of the unseen realm, principalities, powers, rulers,
you know, of cosmic darkness, then we've got to wonder if
maybe something was whispering in Jefferson's ear.
And this is a grand old joke, the design of the Capitol

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included in its lower level. I mean, most of us are familiar
with the Rotunda. That's where visitors will come
in. You look up, you see the, the
painting, the apotheosis of Washington down in the lower
level, which is called the crypt.
And there's no bodies down there, but there was supposed to
be. George Washington was supposed
to be kept in a chamber off of the crypt.
And there was a hole in the floor of the Rotunda so that

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visitors could look down and seeWashington lying in state
forever in this room below the Rotunda.
And then look up and see the Oculus, which is the Roman word,
Latin word that means I in the the Dome above.
Now, again, that painting was not there until 1865, long after

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Washington's death. The Dome was inspired by a
building in Rome called the Pantheon.
The Temple of Jupiter in Rome actually looks like the the
Supreme Court building looks like what Jupiter's temple
looked like. Most of our government
buildings, federal government buildings anyway, look like
Pagan temples, and that's by design.

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The the Dome though, comes from a building in Rome built during
the reign of Caesar Augustus by a a friend of his named Marcus
Agrippa. And the Dome.
Amazingly, it's a concrete Dome built 2000 years ago without
rebar in the concrete and it still stands.
The Romans were good engineers. The Oculus in the Pantheon, so

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named because it honored all thegods of Rome.
The Oculus. The eye opens to the sky now.
They got it covered with with plexiglass or something now so
it doesn't rain into the building like it used to.
But the point of the Oculus was to symbolize the portal through
which the apotheosized. In other words, the Caesar who'd

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become a God would join the the gods in in heaven.
Marcus Agrippa wanted his his good friend and patron, Caesar
Augustus to be honored in this way.
Now, Octavian Caesar Augustus was a smart politician and knew
the Romans wouldn't be too keen on that idea.
Who does this guy think he is? We're not even supposed to have

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kings. And now he's saying he's a God.
So Augustus said, no, no, we're not doing that.
Now look, if you want to say my uncle Julius was a God and put a
statue of him in there, that's fine.
So they they put a statue of Julius Caesar in there, said,
OK, he was apotheosized, he became a God.
And there's the portal that led him up into heaven.

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Now in the US Capitol, the Dome does not open under the sky, but
there is an Oculus there. And in 1865, Brumidi put this
painting up there showing GeorgeWashington becoming a God up
there with Pagan gods like Minerva and Hephaestus or Vulcan

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and and Ceres, the grain goddesses up there.
It is, I think, something that George Washington, regardless of
what you think about his actual religion, probably would have
found horrific. He would not have agreed to it.
His body is not in the is not inthe capital because before they
could move his body from Mount Vernon, where, where which was

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his property there in Virginia, because Martha had agreed to it.
Martha Washington But then the War of 1812 came, and the Brits
burned the capital. And so after the war, there were
your typical construction delayswhenever you get government
involved in a project. So by the time they got the
building rebuilt and expanded because Congress was bigger,

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because the United States had grown, George's descendants
said, no, we're not going to do that.
So they covered up the hole. The hole is no longer in the
floor of the Rotunda and the crypt is empty, but they did put
this painting there. So when you're looking up
towards the sky through the portal, you see George
Washington surrounded by these Pagan deities.

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Now I argued that I think Tom Horne was on the right track,
but rather than the Antichrist being engendered there in the
capital, I think what this symbolizes is the return of Old
Saturn to herald a new golden age.
According to a poem written by the Roman poet Virgil in the

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year 40 BC, he was another one who benefited from the
generosity of Caesar Augustus. He wrote a poem called the 4th
Eclogue which was for another political figure in Rome back in
the day, but he wrote this now. The last stage by Kumay's Sybil
sung the command Sybil very important in Roman history and

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the majestic role of circling centuries begins anew.
Justice returns, returns old Saturn's reign with a new breed
of men sent down from heaven. And then he goes on in this poem
to say how you, O Gaius Asinius polio again, trying to flatter
the politicians with your with your new administration, we'll

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have a new golden age brought inby Saturn.
I think that's what's represented on the inside of the
capitol Dome. Washington is shown seated with
his legs wrapped in purple cloth, purple being the symbol
of royalty. And in the Temple of Saturn in
ancient Rome, the statue of Saturn had his legs wrapped in

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wool for 51 weeks out of the year, except during Saturnalia
in December when his legs were unwrapped, which symbolized
Saturn's return to the world of the surface before he was sent
back down to Tartarus. I think that the symbols
involved in the United States capital, and there's some other

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things too, like the Great Seal of the United States and some of
the Freemasonry. Some of the teachings of
Freemasonry also are, are related to this.
But I think the bottom line is this.
What we see in the United Statescapital in that painting
especially, but even in the art,in the architecture of the
building itself. A sort of a prophecy in stone,

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if you will, of the return of this entity who once ruled over
the world as Shemiyaza, who has been known since then by many
names, including Saturn, Kronos,Molech.
And who thinks, thinks somehow that when he gets out he is
going to resume his place or take his rightful place in the

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heavens as the ruler of creation.
I think, and I argued in the book The Second Coming of
Saturn, that the the polemic in Isaiah chapter 14 know how art
thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the Morning
refers to this entity, Saturn not Satan, Shemiyaza not Satan.
The entity who is considered so dangerous by God that he is

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locked up in Tartarus, the bottomless pit, while Satan is
still roaming the earth. That is what I think is inside
the United States Capitol and the events of January 6th, 2021.
Not an insurrection, but actually a demonstration.
I think a symbol of what this entity thinks.

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Remember how the politicians, the political class in DC
described the riot at the the Capitol on the 6th of January?
They've desecrated our temple ofdemocracy.
Over and over again. We heard that phrase.
They've desecrated America's temple of democracy.
Liz Cheney, former representative from Wyoming,

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actually said the most sacred space in our Republic, like,
wait, excuse me, it's just an office building.
The most sacred space in our Republic is wherever you are
when you are praying. This is but this was repeated
again and again by multiple politicians.

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And I think that's how they viewit, a sacred space.
Well, sacred to who? Based on with the legislation
they're passing, they're certainly not sacred to the God
of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. This, this is and the fact that
the, the rebellion so-called wasled by the Buffalo hat guy in
the book and in previous books, we've gone into how common bison

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or bull imagery is among the Pagan gods of the ancient world.
In fact, even the name Kronos, even though he's a Greek God,
because of the influence of the Semitic world, the, the, the,
the Canaanites, the Amorites andthe Hebrews on Greek religion,
the name Kronos actually derivesfrom a Semitic word that means
horns. So I, I, I think there are a lot

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of connections here. And the, the, the take away for
me though, as a Christian is that God has seen all of this
from the beginning of time. And none of us should be
panicked or afraid. It just helps to understand what
is going on in the world around us.
And then to step back and say, yeah, OK, Psalm 2.
Why do the nation's rage and imagine a vain thing?

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He who sits in the heavens laughs.
The Lord holds them in derision.So don't panic.
Well, I know you're pressed for time and I thank you so much.
It's been absolutely enlightening discussing these
profound topics with you today. Thank you so much for sharing
your incredible insights and foryour significant work that you

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explore and your wife connectingthese ancient texts and modern
beliefs. We really appreciate it.
I I really appreciate you and thank you.
Very much for coming. No, it's been my honor.
You're very gracious. And I am blessed to be equally
yoked with the a person, my bestfriend, who sees this as

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fascinating, as exciting as I do.
And I know I get kind of long winded in these answers sitting
on the other side of the microphone as I do.
I know that guests with short answers are a lot easier
sometimes. But so I appreciate letting me
roll on here. But I get so excited when I see
what's in the word of God and how these puzzle pieces fit
together. These things made no sense to me

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when I was in church as a kid, you know, 10-12 years old.
Why is this here? You just telling me you got to
have faith, you got to believe, but this doesn't make any sense.
But the information is there when you start digging into the
original Hebrew, the Greek, the Aramaic, start looking at loan
words. And then what are the pagans
around the ancient Israelites believe?
Oh, wow, The prophets knew what their neighbors believed.

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Shock. And a lot of what they wrote was
in response to that. God has seen all of this.
He delivered this information tous, and it's all there.
And if we're getting anything right, well then credit to him
for preserving all of this. And God bless the scholars who
dig into this and help us to seewhat's in the text.

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I don't read Hebrew. I don't speak Hebrew, but we
read the work of people who do. And so credit to the
epigraphers, to the translators,to the archaeologist.
That's not my calling. Sharon and me, man, when the new
heaven, the new earth get here, we want to, we want jobs in the
library. Lord, please, jobs in the
archives. And we'll, we'll, we'll do our
best until then to try to share that the excitement that we find

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in these texts with the world because we as Christians, it's
like our friend LA Marzulli says, it describes the Bible.
This is the guidebook to the supernatural.
It's all in here. We just need to do a little
digging. Yeah, So where can our guest
find you? The easiest way is to go to
gilberthouse.org, gilberthouse.org and from there

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you'll find links to our social media sites.
You can find the link to our appthat is really getting a lot of
use and we're we're very grateful for that, not just
because it delivers content, butthere's also a messaging section
that's connecting people who areinterested in these things and
who are lifting one another up and praying for one another and
sharing needs with one another. So that is really a blessing.

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But it's all available at gilberthouse.org.
And that brings us to an end of another episode.
I want to thank my special guestDerek Gilbert for such a
powerful and thought provoking conversation.
If this was your first time hearing him, I highly recommend
you diving deeper into his work.And to my incredible supporters,

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Stephanie, Jen, Carla, David, Zai, Andrew, Kevin, thank you
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You guys make this podcast possible and it helps keep me
speaking the truth even when platforms try to silence it.

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So thank you to everyone who listens, who watches, who shares

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and comments. I may not get to reply to each
and everyone of your messages, especially the weird crazy ones,
but I see you. Thank you for your support, it
means everything. And remember, the ancient
scriptures hold keys to future revelations.

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So until the next time guys, keep watching the signs and keep
questioning everything. Mahalo nui loa.
And my getaway car. Let's go just for the night.

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Nowhere is ever too far, baby. All we got is time.
A small town runs down. So let's run away from here.
From the coast to the coast where everything is clear.
Follow me from the fastest of the future.

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We don't need any bad story. Any pastors?
Let's be in the prison. I don't want to sweat.
I just want to start all over. Just want to start all over, all
over. We don't need the memories, Just

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need to wipe the sight clean, gofrom chaos to the peace.
I need to focus on me, a small town front tower.
So let's run away from here, from the coast to the coast
where everything is clear. I love me from the past days of

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the future. We don't need any bags or any
pastors. Let's be in the present.
I don't want to sweat. I just want to start all over.
Just want to start all over, allover.

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Follow me from the past into thefuture.
We don't need any bags or any pastors.
Let's be in the present. I don't want to sweat it.
I just want to start all over.