Episode 142. Paranormal Forces in Relationships | The Dark Side of Cupid with Eve Lorgen - Wake Up with Miya

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That is actually acting like this octopus feeder.
So it's like this large entity and it could be any numbers of
types of entities that may take different forms.
It's not just quote a reptilian,OK, it could be like a fallen
Angel. It could be a it could be one of
these bird we're called the Orisraw beings.
It could be an insectoid being and they may take different
forms, but they are psychic energy feeders in some capacity

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and they may use a particular cult or religious or new age
belief system to manage that control.
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Today we're diving deep into therealms of alien encounters, mind
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of The Love Bite and The Dark Side of Cupid, where she
examines how alien influence canimpact love and relationships.
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Aloha, welcome to the show, Eve.Well, you know, I've recently

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heard you on another podcast andyour discussions on alien
phenomenon and mind control in relationships are incredibly
thought provoking. But for those who may not know
your work or are new to your work, could you share a little
bit about yourself and what yourprofessional background is and
what led you to this fascinating, complex topic?

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Well, originally back in the day, and I won't say how, I'm
from the San Francisco Bay Area and my father worked as an
aeronautical engineer for Lockheed Space and Missile
Company out in Sunnyvale. So for my entire childhood, he
had that job. And he also held an interest in

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aerial phenomena and UFOs and some of the early books that
were out even in the 60s and the70s.
So he had a personal interest. But our family, actually, we all
had abductions. And I didn't realize it until
much later what this phenomena really was.
Because when you're young and you exist in this and you
haven't heard of it before, you think you're just having dreams,

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or you see a craft or this beingappears in your room and you
don't know if it's real and you think you just don't make the
connections. So our family actually had had
that even before my dad had thismilitary industrial complex
career, which that is part of the phenomena which we can go
into later. But Long story short, I think

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it's a genetic bloodline thing where they actually follow a
bloodline, both mother's and father's lines long before any
kind of military industrial complex kind of involvement or
collusion, which we know now with certain alien groups.
So that was how I was kind of raised to actually normalize
that this, that the aliens existed.

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But my world view at the time with my parents, since they
didn't, they didn't know about abductions.
They just thought they were friendly beings from these other
planets who are here to raise our consciousness.
And they were kind of more into the, the new channeling
contacting movement, which started more in the 50s, right?
So I had a different world view of what I felt this was.
And I wanted to think it was good, but behind all that was

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like this weird trauma and blackouts and not remembering
like what happened when the craft came and pulled me up and
like weird stuff like that. So anyway, so that was how I was
raised, but I really didn't start investigating the
phenomena itself until after. Well, I, my first degree is in
biochemistry. Actually before that I did

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hospital pharmacy tech. I thought I'd go into medical
school and I changed my mind. I just did biotech as a, as a
career, did that for about 7 years and realized now I want to
do that. So I studied Oriental medicine
for a year thought, no, I don't want to be poking people with
needles. I mean, really interested in the
Taoist Oriental medicine way andthe eastern and the Western
combined. But I'm like, Nah, I don't want
to touch people. I don't want to like poke them
with needles. People hate that.

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So I ended up studying psychology because I really knew
that there was an something thatwasn't being addressed with a
not what I call anomalous trauma, which really started
with, wait a minute, there's these alien abduction things
going on and it's being investigated more from a
scientific investigative kind ofway, but we're not really

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addressing it from the psychological trauma recovery
and the paranormal. What's this?
What does this really mean on these deeper levels?
So as I worked with more people who had these alien abduction
histories in their family line, which means they have repeated
not abductions since childhood and in their family line.
So as we studied and delved moredeeply into these experiences

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beyond the medical or the missing time or the classic
things you heard about in the 90s, I, I learned from the late
doctor Carla Turner and Barbara Bartholick, who are both now
deceased. But they their work was
instrumental in going deeper into understanding a more deeper
influence and manipulation of humans, especially sexuality and

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human relationships. And this is where the whole
alien love bite thing came out, which really aliens were like
manipulating and setting up loverelationships or others or
breaking them up depending on what their agenda was.
So and there was a classic syndrome and dynamic of how this
played out and how we could recognize it.
But if it hadn't been for Barbieand Doctor Carla Turner, I would

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have been caught in the then youknow what I call the death
throes of the of the alien love bite because it's so profound
and powerful and strong and, andit reaches you on spiritual soul
levels and even physical energy levels that most normal love
relationships or even love obsessions wouldn't do.

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So this called into question a much deeper investigation, which
I did. And then then I wrote my first
book called The Love Bite in 2000, the year 2000, which by
the way, on this is a picture, Idon't know if you can see it's a
little bit glossy. And I'm doing updated second
edition with more material because I've had so many cases

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over the years. So this one addresses more of
the alien ET angle of influence with respect to the
experiencers. And then so I did that for I
don't know until I just kept getting more and more cases of
people who's like, I think I gotthis like love by it, false twin
flame thing. And I don't know if I had
experiences, but my parents did.So we, we put things together,

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created questionnaires on what things really connect to be able
to figure out what really happened and what are the
markers for being an alien abductee and your bloodline.
And you know, how does this might show up if you're having
these relationships being manipulated, which they do.
And it's not just because of having children who might be
quote, hybrids or some selectivegenetic what we could eugenics

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or something. It's not just that.
So anyway, I don't know if I'm going overboard, but that was
the first book. So the second book, which is an
extension of going deeper into people who get kept coming to me
like they think they have a manipulated relationship, but
they don't remember having like UFO sightings or they don't know
if they're quote having contactee stuff.

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But they have a dynamic in the relationship that suggests some
third party entity, an interdimensional interference or
this false twin flame kind of thing or energy vampirism kind
of evidence. And of course, narcissistic
abuse has become a big thing that now we can recognize those
psychological dynamics. But with the Dark Cupid, which

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I'll show you, I just updated this one, also a second edition.
So this one has a new cover and this is just the sample.
So that's why there's that like thing going through it.
But this one has like 30,000 more words from the original
edition. So I have much more material
case studies in there. It's like fantastic.
So anyway, we went into, I went into a lot more detail based on

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what people were sharing and especially like this false twin
flame thing and interdimensionalbeings and how it goes deeper
even into what people might recall in past life memories,
for example, or agreements of entrapment with hosted gurus and
sorcerers or blood oath covenants with people in your

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ancestry, that kind of thing. So yeah, it goes deep.
But I believe that this is important in that if we can
identify a type of culprit whichis unhealthy and toxic.
And people come to me because they're in distress, usually
like a relationship that's just obsessive or weird or they, they

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can't stop this connection between someone else, even
though maybe it, they broke up along time ago or, or they're
having like an astral connectionwith someone they only might
maybe met once or talked to once.
But there's this ongoing astral corded connection and they can't
get rid of it. So these things are much more

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deeply involved than a simple love obsession with a simple
psychological explanations. Wow, wow, that's a that, that
was very deep. Could you share more about your
personal experiences and how they're how they influence your
research on topics involving aliens and possible other
entities? Yeah, I think I forgot to answer

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part of your last question because I attended Big Go off
and off, but I do have a mastersin counseling psychology that I
did get back in 1992. So I was able to, I was going to
go for what they call marriage and family counseling.
So the emphasis was on interpersonal family and
relationships. And then in addition to that, I
took many different hypnotherapycourses on, you know, what are

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these different strategies we can work with hypnotic
regressions and internal family systems and all this trauma
stuff, complex trauma. So I had to learn a lot of
things along the way as a, as a way to go deeper and really work
with the complex trauma, paranormal, spiritual aspects of
how are they doing this and whatcan we do about it?

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So having said that, I did have the quote alien Lopi of course,
and I, I wouldn't have known unless Barbara Bartholick was
close to myself and James Bartley and many others who were
having first hand experiences that we just kind of
corresponded back in the 90s. I started a support group for

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people who've had alien abduction and similar
experiences. And we met up in San Diego
County and my home in Fallbrook,CA.
And so we would do maybe like monthly meetings and, and then I
would have ongoing conversationswith Barbara Bartholick
basically on the phone. And we would talk about like
what happened in the group and the, and the weird woo woo that

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would happen before the group and how they'd cut your phone
off and, you know, manipulate people before they got to my
door. So they'd get sick and want to
turn around and run away and helicopters following people and
being followed by white vans. I mean, the whole 9 yards of the
Woo woo X file stuff. But really when we started the
group, this was following the death of the late doctor Carla

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Turner in January of 1996. And she died of cancer, which
was a targeted, it was a targeted death.
So it was it was really a homicide.
It was really a murder from we think the aliens.
And Barbie knew much more details about that and the
medical consequences and the reports, which is actually in my

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book. I think I put that in The Love
Bite and The Dark Side of Cupid.There was actually much more
detail on what really happened to Doctor Carla Turner.
So we were very concerned. But as as part of this, getting
this going with James Bartley, who is a well known researcher
and podcaster in Australia now. But he lived in Southern
California along with me and we did a lot of stuff together and

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investigated cases in the high desert of Southern California in
the in the Southwest. But in the beginning though, I
started having like one of theselove obsession things with
someone who I had met inadvertently, like at a UFO
conference. And I was already married,
already had like my child. My son was only 5 or 6.
He was really young and, and I didn't have any intentions on

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being interested in anyone else.It was just something that
happened within a year or two after meeting a particular
person where there was an instant psychic telepathic
connection and, and then I wouldhave dreams and it would be like
remote viewing dreams. And then I would be like
accurate of all this stuff with this other man and, and have

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like just phenomenal connection.And so that developed and I, I
didn't understand what was happening at the time until I
talked to Barbie and then I realized, Oh my God.
And then we would have strange interference when we even talked
about it on the phone. Nike get caught off on the phone
and being buzzed by black helicopters.

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When we talk about certain people who are like very
powerful in the field, who are connected on some strange level
as gatekeepers. I mean, I mean, we're talking
about X-Files. In fact, many of the early
episodes of The X-Files, some ofthe characters in many of their
episodes were names of people who we worked with, like their
name and, and similar, like so similar was like, Oh my God,

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they knew about that. And it was like a show that made
it like a, a joke about like thealien love bite with a
particular person who's like a classic.
I don't even want to say who because I don't want to say
names, but all I know is like, Oh my God, they knew whoever
their consultants were, they knew all these shit, all the
shit that was going on, you know, with our dramas and you

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know, MUFON lectures in LA and, and stuff like that.
So anyway, that was a learning experience and it was very on my
personal level, it was, it was so profound and very painful.
I mean, it's like, I don't know how to explain it being an
emotional concentration camp of being put at your NTH degree of

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your emotional and spiritual capacity of being able to handle
it. So that you almost have a small
death where like if you succumb to the love obsession and then
maybe the negative psychologicalaspects of a core wound, then it
can destroy you. It could cause suicide.
And there were many who had suicidal ideations and

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depression for many years who are on medication, who had come
to me, who didn't know what was going on and some people who
have killed themselves. But luckily I knew because
Barbie knew and I prayed. I was very, I had a strong
faith. So I had a type of, I just call
it a type of near death experience where it was like the
death of a death of myself and my identity and what I believed

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and just letting go to God because it was nothing else I
could do or I would just die because that's how bad it was.
And then having to keep this a secret really from my husband at
the time. And people who didn't
understand, even like regular doctors or psychologists
wouldn't understand this. They would think you're nuts.
So having to keep that quiet andonly talk with people who you

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could trust who actually realized what was going on.
So anyway, God came through for me and my own walk with this and
I was able to let go, let God and then get AI felt.
It was a transcendental understanding and connection
with God. For me.
It's through Christ that helped me understand and connect with
a, let's say, a higher aspect ofmyself and God.

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You can call it your oversoul and call it God.
That was able to get a a transcendental understanding of
the whole thing as it happened. And knowing that once I was able
to let go of the obsession and even my own, let's say,
illusions of myself, the other person in reality let go of that

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and see it from another perspective.
I could see how all this took place, let's say, from a higher
authority. And so let's say there's God
that orchestrates everything through all these different
multi dimensional levels. And that when you're connected
with God in this higher level, or really who we are in our
eternal spirit, we can come to an understanding of, let's say,

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all these things that are happening on these other, we
could say lower levels. And that it doesn't negate,
let's say, be alien. Let's say the alien beings who
are the intermediaries functioning on this other
dimensional level. And they are who they are.
They do what they do because it is their nature.
Just like a snake is a snake or a dog is a dog or is a, a what

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is a what they continue in doingwhat their nature is and what
their agenda is on those levels.So it doesn't mean, oh, they're
good, they're working for God, all of your spiritual whatever.
That's not what it means. It just means that I came to an
understanding of perceiving the how they were intermediates in a
larger picture, which for me wasan was a learning experience of

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self discovery and and really learning how to recover from my
own traumas, which really drove the process of how shall I say,
our vulnerability to being manipulated even by narcissists,
by the way, or other entities orthe aliens or the maybe the ones
who want to use us as a resource.

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Our own traumas and misperceptions of our true
identity or our normalization oftraumas in the family can cause
us to be vulnerable and not see the red flags of let's say, a
manipulator who's just like using US or manipulating us or
whatever. We won't perceive it.
But once we be clear on who we are, we work on our traumas and

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we get deeper in our own. It's our identity with eternal
spirit, if you ask me. Then we can we get out of the
they don't access as much, so they don't manipulate us as
much. And sometimes actually many, I
have pretty much stopped the abductions.
So the abductions didn't happen anymore, at least in the same
ways. And so this now became a study

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of what do we need to do or not do or become aware of to notice
more and more subtle levels of accessing.
Abductions or manipulation of our perception that causes us to
create reality for them, the aliens or whoever to live
through us. So they live through us as hosts
that give them energy to create reality for them.

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So this becomes even like a really spiritual woo woo kind of
question that how subtle of our perception and how clear must we
be in ourselves to be able to notice these things and then not
allow them access to manipulate our perceptions to basically get
inside and mess with us. Wow.

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Well, how do you differentiate between experiences involving
extraterrestrial beings and those maybe that are associated
with demonic encounters? Are there difference?
Are they the same? It's fine.
There's, there's an overlap for sure, but there's definitely
physical beings that they can, you know, manifest physically
and do physical things and appear that way like in craft or

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whatever. And there are definite cases of
the physical things. So, but there's also where they
can go from physical, they can basically come in your room,
open a portal and then take you through a portal into a craft or
whatever physically. And then somehow your physical
body might go through molecular,I don't know, changes in density
so that you end up on a craft oranother environment and then

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they affect you there in whatever way.
But it still has its manifestation, let's say as an
implant in your body physically that could be physically seen on
X-rays like Doctor Roger Lear's work with the implant studies.
So we know there are some who'vebeen, you know, described in
history like the, you know, the classic alien greys, the mantis
insectoids, the saroid, reptilian alligator, draconian,

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even what do they call it? Dragon like beings, bird like
beings. They're more rarely seen.
But there's also bird like beings that are much larger and
different and or very human oneswho look just like humans or
very big humans. Yeah.
So there's all kinds of beings described it within the

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abduction and contact phenomena.But there's also
interdimensional ones that will manifest in in pretense like
aliens. And this is something that I
believe the case is in. Oh my God, 'cause I just worked
on my books. I think it's in my Dark Side of
Cupid book. I put a new case in there which

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is the Sheila Broughton story which came to me sometime in the
mid 2000s. But Long story short, I have
seen some cases where someone seems to be under a targeted
attack by forces which appear demonic.
But also maybe there's a technology involved.
Or it seems technological or alien related where they do

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things that look like classic demonic taunting and you know,
like writing on the ceilings. Like the classic paranormal
hauntings where you know, shit would show up on your lawn or
like riding on the ceiling and stuff appearing on your skin.
And then things where they do what they call the virtual
surgeries, which are very similar to what people might

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experience within a, let's say, a reptilian alien abduction
where they're doing implant surgeries and they're working on
your spine or they doing something on some part of your
body. So, and some who have had the IT
seems like the more reptilian demonic, they can have what you
call the virtual surgeries that make it seem like it's an alien
abduction, but in fact, it may not be.

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So there is a overlay of sometimes we're not so sure, but
I don't think it's a black and white situation at all.
Because when, when we go into the history of people who've
studied, you know, what were thewatchers?
What really happened with humanity?
And then the hybrids of them were the Nephilim, who were the
part human part watchers. And then there were like

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reptilians and then there were bloodlines.
And so there is, and then the, the half breeds who were the
Nephilim giants in the old days who got wiped out in the flood.
Well, a lot of them, not all of them.
Then their spirits, because theywere mixed with the counterfeit
spirit, disconnected from God because the, the ones that bred
them on the, I guess on the maleline, right, the Y chromosome,

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when you think about it, they, they're not from heaven anymore.
I mean, they had spiritual properties, but they
disconnected from God by rebelling and doing things they
weren't supposed to. So their spirits basically
stayed in the lower realms on the earth and then the earth
astral realms and under the earth.
So those, those beings who are actually the, the Nephilim
spirits who died and stayed earthbound are like the demons

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who were, who were the ones who were the, the, the half breeds
of the watchers and the humans in the in the beginning.
So those are actually the demonsthat people talk about.
But then there's some cultures, for example, this kind of goes
off on a a tangent, but the I know that the Sufi Mystics and
many people in the Islamic traditions know a heck of a lot

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about the the jinn. And, you know, like whole
societies of jinn on the earth, under the earth, under the sea.
There's so much more that we really don't know in our
classic, let's say, canonical biblical scriptures, you know,
So there's a lot we don't know. And I think we assume we know.
But really, there's a lot of variations.

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Yeah, exactly. Wow, have you encountered any of
these stories in your your clinic?
Oh, yeah, yes. Can you give?
Us some. Gosh.
Let's see, the nose is running. It's an allergy thing.
Hold on. Sorry.
I can take this part out, don't worry.
I'm sorry, don't. Be sorry.
No, no, no. I'm trying to think, well, I

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mean, because there's so many, so many.
Do you have one that stands out that you can tell most?
Of the time they come to me because of the, the alien love
bite or the relationship thing. Whereas in the beginning I was
interested in, in all aspects of, well, you think that you've
had abductions throughout your life and your family history and
what are the commonalities? So I created a questionnaire,

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two different questionnaires actually, one of them is from
Doctor Corrado Malonga of Italy,who is a very brilliant like
APHD in organic chemistry from the University of Pisa in Italy.
And he did his own studies with alien abductions, UFOs and
people who had experiences for 30 years.
But he a, a big part of his study was not only doing

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hypnotic regressions in a particular way to assess
information and regain power from the abductee, from the
aliens and how they were manipulating us.
And so he came to understand thealiens in a unique way that
helped us understand their modusoperandi and how and why they're
working. And I'm trying to remember why I

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even brought this up, but there's many cases that had
helped me in, in learning how tobecome free from accessing
because of what they're really doing.
As opposed to the the popular opinion, which tends to be maybe
a more scientific view of what'shappening physically, medically,

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the craft and that kind of thingand physical medical evidence.
But in reality, there's much more going on that if we know
how to deal with that, we would have more power over it.
Because I believe we're not seeing things correctly.
We're not making the connectionsthat let's see one side.
I knew enough about Malanga's work as well as the alien love

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bite and how they were manipulating.
Then I created another questionnaire that makes
connections between things that I have found like these are
relevant connections that in thebeginning we weren't asking
these questions about family histories, For example, and I
hate to say it, but let's say narcissistic abuse family
systems where there might be sexual abuse over the

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generations, which could predispose them to MK Ultra
targeting. Like Kathy Phillip, Kathy
O'Brien, she's very famous and has described this in detail,
how they Illuminati families will target specific family
lines because they know. And let's say there's sexual
abuse in that line, which creates a high propensity that's

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genetically inherited for high dissociation, high intelligence
and high psychic ability as wellas a sexual energy manipulation,
which they do. And that's the primary traumas
that will enable a greater degree of dissociation, which is
necessary for the control and manipulation of mind control.
So I would say that aliens are doing something similar or there

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is a spiritual permission, some kind of spiritual law happening
in certain family lines and bloodlines, which people are
more predisposed in certain family lines.
And what I call the occult secret society, black magic,
let's say the darker blood oath covenant like Illuminati satanic

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lines for example. But there's many secret
societies where there's people who are taken from them, and
there's many different kinds of secret societies, but they're
all kind of connected to the same kind of thing.
So I learned this over time, like, OK, so do you have this,
this, this, this in your family?And then sure enough, they've
got it. And sometimes it seems

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opportunistic where they have a,what do you call a love bite or
a false twin flamey thing with someone.
And they've never really had this history.
They're not abductees. It's not necessarily in their
bloodline. They don't know.
But after they had met or had a encounter with a powerful, let's
say reptilian host, for lack of a better term, let's say they're

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hybrids. They're hosting a non human
spirit that is reptilian in nature, that has a particular
nature and their nature has a high degree towards sexual
energy manipulation and courtingyour psychic, your life force
energy and your sexual energy tohumans who are hosted by these

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beings or their hybrids hosting this kind of spirit.
And they're good at being like cult leaders and having
narcissistic qualities. And they might want to do a lot
of the sexual Tantra kind of thing or a high interest in a
cult leader sexual Tantra, you know, or they're a meditation
leader or they think they're a healer or they do your astrology

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chart or they do this or they dothat.
And then after like interacting with this person, maybe doing
one retreat or just being part of their, their small little
group and they just maybe talk online or, and then all of a
sudden they're actually connecting to all these hundreds
of people that are like their online harem.
And then they start doing these weird sexual astral twin flamey
things with all their quote clients or T or students or

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whatever. And and so it's, it's an entity
that's working through a human could be a hybrid that is
actually acting like this octopus feeder.
So it's like this large entity then it could be any numbers of
types of entities that may take different forms.
It's not just quote a reptilian,OK.
It could be like a fallen Angel.It could be a, it could be one

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of these bird we call the Oris raw beings.
It could be an insectoid being. And they may take different
forms, but they are psychic energy feeders in some capacity.
And they may use a particular cult or religious or New Age
belief system to manage that control system of that

(31:41):
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Force. Yeah, so when you.

(32:23):
Sing hosting within you're saying within their body
physically like being possessed almost, yeah.
Yeah, and a lot of times it's a full possession and they know
it. And other times they, they seem
like they're not aware, but thenthey act kind of, I don't want
to say stupid, but like super like really, really unaware of

(32:45):
like they, they have total attachment.
And sometimes the attachments are like, you know, on certain
chakras. And there may be a, like there
was even an article written on my website by a, a person where
she talked. The article was called the the
birth of a host. And it was how she observed like
someone who became hosted over time by an increased dominance

(33:08):
and connection to a reptilian being, to someone who is
predisposed based on a personality type, which is
largely narcissistic personalitydisorder.
And how over time, and maybe it started out less hosty and as
time went on, it became more hosted.
And then like an inversion happened with their energy

(33:28):
field, something shifted and changed.
And then then they become more healthy and maybe even had
better longevity and even more control and like, charming
control over people. So yeah, this can happen over
time, even like in drug addictions.
And this is something. Bring yourself up.

(33:49):
Is that why when you do drugs orsomething like that, you open
yourself up to them and they come in?
Yes. That's very possible.
Not not that doesn't happen to everybody who has like an
addiction, but I know that I have had reports of people,
let's say methamphetamine, they called it crack cocaine in the
old days. And this is something Barbara
Bartholick had found where therewas clusters of cases where

(34:12):
reptilian hosting an extreme psychic ability and other things
would happen with these crackheads.
He just got hosted and then theystarted having like reptilian
UFO and alien abduction encounters.
But they also had telepathic weird psychic abilities that
came along with the use of the drug because of like the drug
itself and the reptilian. So like if you have one of these

(34:36):
entities like sorcerer's and black magicians, will they do
this? They they get a familiar spirit,
for example. And that familiar spirit
basically gives them informationlike a spy, and it makes them
telepathic so they can see things and hear things and they
get like these visions or whatever, but it's coming from
the entity who's, like, doing their jobs and they made a pact
or something. So I see a lot of that, you

(34:58):
know? Yeah, speaking.
Of packs. So you were talking about
bloodlines and a family line. Do you think that it's a
spiritual contract basically that maybe has happened 100
years ago, 300 years ago? Yes, and sometimes it can be
identified and I, I believe thatthis is where it becomes
actually exciting part of a, youknow, a revelation and a

(35:22):
discovery of your own history when you're really serious about
recovering and, you know, connecting with your original
identity of your eternal spirit,not past life this or past life
that. That's not what it means.
It means recovering from trauma and these malevolent aspects of
complex trauma and family histories, but also working on

(35:42):
actually renunciation prayers and breaking curses with
Christian prayers tend to be more powerful.
But I believe they need to be done in a in a specific way that
people who are in the field who have worked with, let's say
ritual abuse families that you're talking about the highest
level Illuminati family, people who are defecting and getting
well and and then discovering the blood oath covenants that

(36:05):
had come through rituals, not only in their life through
ritual abuse, for example, but maybe their ancestors.
And So what what I do now, I mean, I work with not only
complex trauma recovery and whatmethods we could use to get
deeper insights, but also with prayers and working.
If we work directly with Christ and with the Holy Spirit, then

(36:28):
the Holy Spirit basically just gives you the truth or will show
you what you need to know, when you need to know it.
And it will actually give you the insights and the memories
and whatever it actually shows you in your unique case, what's
happening and what might be connected things that allowed
these access. And basically it's a hijack of

(36:50):
your timeline and your birthright.
So when we, when we cut those curses off and we, you know, re
establish our true blessings andour true birthright, which is
not, we are on, how shall I say it, humanity has been largely
hijacked and we are property. Many people have thought, well,

(37:10):
we are property like the CharlesFort from the 30s talked about
like is is humanity property of another predatory unseen race
that are kind of controlling humanity.
And many believe that that is true based on the reports like,
you know, like the David Icke materialist classic who had

(37:31):
brought a lot of this out in thepublic domain in a big way.
But I believe that when we discover these things, and I
think we always have to take what we self discover based on
how the spirit of truth is revealing itself to us.
When we connect to our authenticidentity in Christ or eternal
spirit. And instead of let's say saying

(37:52):
what a psychic told you or what a channeler told you, don't do
that. Like they can say all kinds of
things. They may or may not be correct,
but it's we have to discover this based on our own direct
connect to truth, which we can do and then that things are
revealed in amazing ways really.And then it it can show you
like, oh, and this happened and it and it actually shows you or

(38:16):
even how subtle contracts happenin traumas.
And we know this from even non woo woo stuff, so to speak.
Where if you have an early trauma and this caused you to
have an emotional strong emotional reaction and a belief
system or judgement at the time of that occurrence, which could

(38:38):
have been dissociative. And then that is kind of sinks
into your subconscious mind to make you believe like all men
are bad and all this or all that.
Because of that particular experience, all dogs will bite
you or all whatever they make you have these phobias or these
belief systems that then can turn into self fulfilling
prophecies. So we get to the root of what

(39:01):
caused that false belief or thatjudgement through that trauma
and we bring healing to that part at that time.
Could be a four year old child, you know, could have been a
teenager, could have been a 2 year old, could have been in the
womb. So that's part of the healing
process so that we can get deeper truth and unwind the lies
we believe about ourselves or others that kind of direct a

(39:23):
faults. You know, it screws up our
timeline or our relationships too, you know, right.
So do you do hypnosis? Yeah, I.
Have a, a style of like a hypnotherapeutic process, which
is really more like a guided visualization under a relaxed
state and where you just kind ofself discover things as they

(39:46):
appear to you and as you're directed.
I like to do prayers with it if people are open and that helps
bring a type of because there's a lot of interference in this
work. I mean, Oh my goodness, you
know, your power turning off andyour Internet suddenly going off
and the video's stopping. And I mean, endless things that,
you know, people getting sick before their session or, you

(40:06):
know, things happening. So we learned this early on,
actually in the, you know, abductee support group days
where it's like, Oh my goodness,you know, all these things
happen like they're trying to stop us from sharing and finding
out truth of well, we find out alot by talking to each other.
And support groups are very helpful in in discovering like,
oh, I didn't think that was related.

(40:28):
You mean that happened to you too?
Well, then we figured out, well,many people who are in these
secret projects, like now they call it the secret space
program, right? That became popular in 2014.
Fifteen with the Corey Goode stuff and Gaia TV.
But really this has been going on a very long time with the
early Montauk MK Ultra super soldier or how whatever that in

(40:51):
your early, let's say, school days, you might have had these
special tests and they always would come and test you again
and again, like the hearing testor another type of test.
Or you would be in the gifted students program.
And then they would take you on these special field trips and
then you drank the kool-aid. And then you're like, what did
they do when you after you that drank that Kool-aid and you went
on this special hidden thing experimental group that got you

(41:16):
involved in a project kind of thing.
So there's all kinds of variations to these secret woo
woo projects that are connected with clandestine alphabet soup
agencies or whatever, but also connected to the alien abduction
phenomena. And I believe that they, if they
know you're in online where I think they they followed people

(41:37):
after they really knew this was happening officially since this
whole Eisenhower Grenada contract.
What do you want to call it? Way back when?
And then they had the, the list of the families who were being
abducted because somehow they got a list.
If they, you know, brought them back and didn't hurt them, then
exchange for technology. You can access our population.
We give you permission, right? So they just kept doing what

(41:59):
they're doing over time. And then, you know, didn't stick
with the contract and just messing with people even more
and more and more. And then and then other human
groups started knowing who thesepeople were and like, how are
these people different and how can we utilize them and sheep
that dip them into another project and use them as an asset
in a, in a MK Ultra or a secret space program kind of thing.

(42:23):
So that's what you're getting a lot nowadays.
And then these people have a stronger evidence or
manifestations of manipulation in their lives and in the
relationships with being handledand targeted with like Love
Bitey. You know, they may be set up or
there's this profound connectionwith somebody they think is

(42:43):
their twin flame or whatever. And then they're both like
assets in a secret project. But then they may use them to
handle each other or one handlesthe other.
So when we're, you know, we wantthem to go into a recovery
process so that if they have these altered personalities that
are trained in these secret programs or by the aliens or

(43:07):
with the aliens, the whole idea is to integrate and to heal the
trauma so that we have control over the parts that they're
accessing without our permission.
So that we're not we're no longer handled if the altar
hasn't been healed. But if they're connecting us in
the unhealed altars and these love bitey things, which they

(43:28):
can do. I mean, we've learned about
this. It gets very complex.
That's why I wrote the book so that we can know all these
little details of, you know, howis it really happening in your
life? And what do we know about the
partner and their history? And why do you think you guys
have this special connection? And sometimes they remember past
life connections. Sometimes they remember that
they've been on these. It wasn't a past life, but it

(43:50):
was a, let's say, a time travel op and some secret space program
thing. Like a, a real X Filey kind of
thing. So yeah, I get a lot of weird,
rude reports. Are there certain markers or
signs that people are hosting orpossessed or whatever you want
to call it by these entities? Yeah, some of these probably the

(44:17):
first thing we noticed, and thisis let's see, it's in the love
bite. I think I put there's so many
stories. The first thing we noticed that
was dramatic. Let's say someone had a a love
bite or like in one case. I don't think that's in my book.
It should be, but it's not. It was, it was sounds funny, but
it's not funny. It was the the reptilians in the

(44:39):
strip club case of a woman who was married to a husband who
started going to these strip clubs, right?
And so he had a a narcissistic personality disorder, really
wasn't very aware drinking goingto strip clubs like got addicted
sex, sex addicted to these stripclubs.
And so after going and then he picked up a reptilian entity

(44:59):
from the, you know, the day and the lap dancers or whatever,
right? And then got hosted so that when
the woman had sex with her husband, she started noticing
this overshadowed reptilian thoroid entity.
Like, you know, you basically see it right there when you're,
you know, having sex with someone.
And like during orgasm, it wouldcome in and to, to like get the

(45:20):
energy and then you would, you would just see it right there as
if it's overshadowing during that sexual contact or during
the orgasmic phase sometimes. But it, it go, it will go in and
out. But then pretty soon it's always
hanging around. Like it would be like you'd
always see something on the shoulder or the back or there's
different ways that clairvoyant people would see this.
So that's one way to get it would would be like a

(45:43):
narcissistic person who gets it through something like that.
But sometimes it's through sexual contact with a person who
is already hosted. Then you get that linking and
sometimes it's sometimes you think they're born a hybrid and,
and they have that spirit already in them.
And a lot of abductees, some famous ones, have claimed that

(46:07):
they have, you know, 3 spirits, or like they have part
reptilian, part human and part insectoid soul, or they have,
you know, different soul parts or whatever.
But if Doctor Corrado Malanga did an assessment and a
hypnotherapeutic process with them, they might find out a

(46:28):
different story other than the one that the abductee is being
told by their entities. OK, or what they believe.
So it would be more of a the thealiens will link in different
kinds of aliens will link in literally in your brain mind,
let's say. And then they will feed off your

(46:50):
eternal spirit as a battery to power their will and their
consciousness as a host living through you so that you think
your soul is part reptilian or part insectoid or part this or
part that. And that ain't, they're just
hosting and they're just manipulating the original soul
by hosting. So, and there can be genetics.

(47:11):
So there's the thing, there's the thing that's very
interesting is that there can begenetic modifications and
augmentations. And we've heard this many times
with people they like about, they say they're a hybrid or
they may have unusual things where they're told they are.
And there may be, I believe thatthere are some people who are
augmented and there's, I'm not sure where that occurs on the

(47:33):
genome, whether it's mitochondrial or autosomal, but
there's maybe medical markers, bloodline markers, and maybe
even physical characteristics that some people know what to
look for, which is interesting. And I'm going to jump to a case
that's in my Love Bite book, which was a famous case
investigated by the late Bud Hopkins way back in the 90s.

(47:58):
And it was the I think he calledthe book witnessed the woman
abductee who he followed with many different abduction
accounts and investigations. Linda Corteel was the name they
used in that book. So in in my love Bite book, what
I did is I would just focused onthe aspect of her experience

(48:18):
that was in Bud's book and alongwith, you know, corresponding
with her that I wanted to just do it on the love obsession and
how they set her up as a child several times with another man
who was also an abductee who became like the FBI agent later
in life who actually observed her being abducted out of her
Manhattan story window floating through the sky.

(48:40):
So it was definitely witnessed. So this was a very, very famous
case. And I think there was like a
Netflix show on this as well. It's it's.
On now it just yeah it just cameyeah I think they I.
Didn't see the whole because they made it like this big
fiasco between, you know, the two people and wife, I can't
remember her name, Bud and Linda.
And they kind of maybe had some personality differences, which

(49:04):
that's understandable. You know, these things happen,
but it doesn't discount that Linda had very genuine
experiences with absolute evidence.
And these things did happen and she was set up through childhood
and it happened to not only her,but this other man.
And so anyway, so I just did a zoom in on what are the
qualities of this love obsessionsetup in her case.

(49:24):
And just to show that, you know,this is happening.
And this is like a good classic case of a little a closer view
of how they're manipulating actually several people within
the entire drama that in in a different way by these, let's
see, overseeing aliens and what their agenda might be with many

(49:45):
different people involved in theentire investigation.
And because we know now it's more than just the relationship
or setting two people together because she was married to
another man, had children with another man and she's still
married, far as I know, and has kids and grandchildren with her
original partner. So they don't do this just to
have like some hybrid child withthe person they're setting them

(50:06):
up with. It's like a love obsession.
It's just like disrupts their whole friggin life.
You know, I mean, it does for many people.
So anyway, so I focused on that case to just highlight this is
what happens. And you know, Budd Hopkins seem
to think at the time that, well,this doesn't happen in the
majority of the cases. This is rare.

(50:28):
But and when I investigated whenBarbara Barthlick did we're
women. What are the what's important to
women relationships, you know, relationships.
This is a woman thing, man talking about relationships.
So once Barbie had started seeing these things over and
over again and we know what to look for.
And now we start to see these similar childhoods and these

(50:49):
markers like, wait a minute, this is happening a lot more
than people are letting on. And you know, in the early days,
the investigations had to stay credible.
We want to keep it scientific. We want to keep it credible.
So they want to like, no, no, no, we got to sweep that under
the rug. No, that's not credible.
That's not science. That's that's not important.
It's important. It's very important.
In fact, I think it could be thekey behind everything.

(51:11):
So in in the dark side of Cupid,I definitely made the statement
that if we ever do have quote, UFOET alien disclosure, this
better be part of it or you ain't getting the whole story.
Because I think the root cause of everything is hidden within
this. And that's, that's my view as a
woman and as a spiritually focused person to see what are

(51:36):
the hidden dynamics based. Also Doctor Corrado Malonga's
research is absolutely excellent.
And by the way, just as a side, there has been recent research
on the, I believe it is the Gizapyramid in Egypt, the main one
in the Sphinx and all that. And how they had done, I think
sonography and other satellite based systems to view what is

(51:59):
underground. And then found structures
underground that go way deep that suggest the pyramids are
more than just those structures on top.
There's something deep underground that connects to a
type of energy collection or transformation on a very high
advanced scientific level. But see, Doctor Karata Milanga

(52:19):
was part of that investigation, bringing that out and his
research with the aliens. I could tell you he knows some
deeper insights about all of this and I don't a lot of people
know like they know him associated with this recent Giza
thing and some other scientists.But you know, his stuff in the
alien abduction phenomena is excellent.

(52:40):
I think that it needs to be known that there's so much more
going on in people's experiencestoo, which I mean, I can go on.
In one case in the dark Side of Cupid, which is one of the
additional cases, it was phenomenal in terms of the depth
of nuances and deep recovery insights that this woman had to

(53:05):
go through. But Long story short, she did
have what she believed to be past life connections and
agreements with I think a reptilian.
Maybe it could have been a winged reptilian or different
reptilian types of beings in theancient past as this whole thing
about the sacred priestess thingand like ancient, ancient times

(53:27):
or being a sacred prostitute priestess kind of thing.
And then she remembered something having to do.
It's in my book, being underneath the pyramid.
I don't know if it was the Pyramid of Giza, but you know,
the pyramid is the four sided thing.
But underneath it she saw basically an inversion of a
pyramid. And at the base of the inversion

(53:48):
of the pyramid underground, theywould do these rituals that had
to do with like a sexual Tantra thing, but it involved like a
reptilian connection that used the women for the power to power
up these beings and these sorcerers or these men in these
culti groups. OK.
So that alone, you know, keyed me to, you know, she remembered

(54:11):
this reptilian lifetime after lifetime manipulating the the
loved by partners that kept entering into her life through
cults or gurus or this or that. So when you see, you know, how
far this goes back, maybe even in ancient history with ancient
religions, ancient cults, ancient practices.
And I believe now, based on whatI've heard, I think they try to

(54:34):
glorify this sacred sexuality, ancient priestess, goddess,
blah, blah, blah, blah. And then it's just like being
manipulated by these beings are doing the same thing they've
been doing for thousands of years.
And they're taking our energy and our life force and our
creative energy and trying to make us think we're working for
them or doing a good thing or have a special mission and they

(54:57):
do all that. So that's all I'll stay for now
because I don't want to get overboard.
But no, I was going. To ask you that question, so
it's funny that you answered. I was going to ask you have you
explored any cases that you know, individuals when they were
going under undergoing regression therapy, if they are,
if they discovered any connection between their

(55:18):
experiences and ancient mythology, even involving demons
or malevolent spirit. So you that kind of touched it
right right there. What is it with them sexuality
that that these entity needs to use?
Maybe for our, I don't know whatthey use it for energy or

(55:39):
whatever else. What?
What is it with that? It seems so perversed all the
time, the way you know that they're involved in this.
Why? Yeah, I believe it goes back to
the Tantra thing that they do like when you, if you talk to
people who are from Illuminati bloodline or the, let's say
Satanic ritual abuse families and they they do these different

(56:03):
rituals and a lot of times it's,I know it's gross.
Sometimes it's murder, blood sacrifice the the blood, but
sometimes it's sexual tantric encounter with a they use a
woman or a man and they do a tantric sexual thing within a
ritual format. And then beings are invoked and

(56:23):
they're involved in the energy that's produced through this
tantric connection. And so that energy can be used
towards magical operations because it's power.
So a lot of these, you know, tantric things are used for like
sex magic, basically a type of sex magic.
And so I think these beings on these like reptilians are very

(56:45):
good at being able to, let's say, spontaneously activate your
kundalini energy, sometimes through another person, but
sometimes it seems to be spontaneous in a way that it's
not. It's very unpleasant.
It could be scary, you know, forsome people and other people,
they could say it's pleasant, but it could drain their energy.

(57:05):
But Long story short, it is an energy harvesting for power.
And it, you know, leads me to believe that why would they need
that from us if they don't got it or they lost it or they lost
some connection to the divine. So they have to use us for
energy and then all while makingus think they're gods or think

(57:26):
we're special and doing a special mission for their
whatever. And then, Oh my God, we're just
being used like you. Just lost your connection, let

(57:48):
me know. When it stops because I know.
Of course, just when you're getting into the.
It's frozen. We'll have to talk about the
root of it, like, OK. Why?
Why do they do that? They just don't want the

(58:08):
information out. How do they I mean, there's
millions, probably you have billions.
I don't know people talking about stuff.
How do they hone into just us? How does that work?
I. Suppose we have something they
don't got that they want. That's.
True. So it's all and, and it's
amazing. I I've actually reduced it to, I

(58:30):
don't want to say I reduced it to a single way of trying to
understand the difference between authentic, real, eternal
spirit, goodness like Christ, whatever, versus say the
counterfeit spirit, which is talked more about in the
Gnostic, let's say tractates of the Nag Hammadi library and some

(58:51):
of these other systems of belief.
But it's also known as the adversary in the canonical
biblical Scriptures. But it really is, I think one in
the same. But I think you get a deeper
explanation of how the counterfeit spirit operates
within, let's say the Gnostic perspective.
But I believe it is all the samethat what they say, that the

(59:14):
beings who are, let's say the fallen, let's say the fallen
angels, for lack of a better term.
If they disconnected from the original eternal God by
rebelling and doing whatever they're doing and they lost that
connection, that means they got to get it from somewhere else to
continue to create or to have a form of immortality through

(59:36):
those who still have that connection.
Then use us as batteries, but trick us into thinking we're
doing a good thing and that they're they're gods.
And since they were so much smarter, I mean, you have this.
I mean, I think it's, I think there's a lot of things that
blame us, blame the victim kind of ideologies.

(59:57):
But if anybody is born and raised in a family system where
you were raised into human trafficking or ritual abuse or
even alien abduction, it's like it ain't your fault.
You were born into it, you know,So it's not your fault.
And and how could a young child or even an adult know when what
these beings are so much more intelligent and have histories

(01:00:18):
of being able to groom us and manipulate over centuries and
thousands and thousands of yearsthrough different systems?
Maybe different religions, different beliefs, whatever.
Then we really don't have an effective defense if we really
are not as smart as they are to figure out what they're doing
until after the fact. But we find out after the fact

(01:00:39):
when we're adults, that oh, and this happened when I was a
child. I couldn't help it then, but now
I can regain my, you know, that altered personality that's still
living in trauma. And I could heal that inner
child. And now that I know that this
was a predator and this was a cult group that took advantage
of, you know, young children. And now, so when you're an
adult, you know better. And you can reintegrate these

(01:01:01):
qualities of wisdom and truth sothat this doesn't have to happen
again. And we can help protect others
who wouldn't have that defense. And children don't have that
defense naturally. And a lot of normies don't know
this stuff and they would have really no way of defending
against it, just like alien abductions, if you don't know

(01:01:22):
your, your easy Pickens, you know what I mean?
So the more we know how they operate and and why and how they
access and how we can build our strengths, the more we can be
resilient to these manipulations, whatever they
are. Have your ideology of aliens
changed over time? Like did you think that they may

(01:01:44):
have been good trying to help and and now you realize they're
more demonic and evil? Well, the ones I think the ones
abducting tend to be more manipulative, and I found out
through my own personal experience.
The ones with let's say the the bad ones tended to stop as I did
my own recovery work, but it didn't necessarily stop me from

(01:02:07):
perceiving them when they were interdimensionally peeking in
because I became aware of them in different ways.
But it doesn't necessarily give me a black and white view
because I also know that I've had experiences with benevolent
beings who have different forms and ways of interacting in my
consciousness and in my reality that we're absolutely loving and

(01:02:28):
joyful and wonderful and showed me things.
And they're not bad. And they, they weren't
associated with abductions, but they were associated with just
communicating to me or appearingto me at a particular time, just
like an Angel. Well, yeah, I've had angelic
intervention more than once. And the angelic intervention
happened as a result of prayer. And I was afraid for my life in

(01:02:51):
particular time. Actually, it happened more than
once. But in those kinds of
encounters, in my experience, ithas been that you can't just
call upon them and like channel this being and always have,
always have like little businesswith this benevolent being.
In my experience, They come whenthey come.
If it's necessary they come, butthey come on their own volition.
And we don't have control over always having this contact with

(01:03:12):
this benevolent being. And I, I believe the ones that
are playing benevolent being andoh, you have this special
contact and then you keep channeling them, then that might
be the fake ones, you know. So that's my view now did.
You do you. Ever, maybe, I don't know if
you've encountered this or not when or while being abducted or

(01:03:35):
during their research, if peoplecall upon the name of God or
Jesus or Jehovah, Yahweh, does it stop?
Have you, have you come across that at all?
Or you say Jesus, does it still keep going?
Yes and no. I believe that you can pray and

(01:03:56):
it does stop a lot of things like the Sheila Broughton case,
that was the one I mentioned earlier with the virtual
surgeries and this demonic attack that was part of a
targeting connected to her family.
But she finally did do deliverance and prayers and had
to be more, had to learn a little bit more about.
So sometimes just say in the name of Jesus doesn't help.
We have to go deeper into connecting with Christ and

(01:04:20):
understanding our identities, our identity in Christ as the
grace that comes through faith in our connection of belief that
allows this deeper connection and protection.
And then it works more powerfully when you're really
active in your faith, you know, really applying the way, the
truth, the life, which is the gospel of peace, not passivity

(01:04:43):
and not enabling the predators. Because I have a thing about
that. So I could say yes and no.
Like there was a case that Barbara Bartholick had given to
me that's in my dark side of Cupid of a very unusual case
that seemed to be an opportunistic abduction with an
unusual kind of being that did do a possession and a strange

(01:05:04):
thing where like markings would appear on her body and certain
symbols. And she actually had like a
possession where Barbie tried todo scriptures when she was she
was literally being possessed, fighting off this being and it
didn't work. But at other times, some people
it did work. So I think we have to really

(01:05:25):
apply our faith and, and I believe now in hindsight that
it's not just faith and prayers,it is we must work actively to
do. I say that the complex trauma
recovery is one of the biggest missing pieces and a lot of
spiritual modalities towards healing that they're
overlooking. And that if we can understand

(01:05:45):
trauma and dissociative dissociiv identity disorder or
that spectrum and really work onhealing it just from how we
understand humans and psychologyin the nervous system in the
brain. When we incorporate that in self
understanding, we have a much better chance of healing and not
being misunderstood. Because there's some people who

(01:06:06):
have, let's say, compartmentalized altered
personalities from ritual abuse or whatever, or could be
abductions where that's like an altar that holds the rage or
holds like grief or holds a negative emotion.
And then somebody who's unqualified trying to do a
deliverance ministry saying, oh,that's a demon.

(01:06:27):
We got to exercise that demon. And that ain't a demon.
It's an altar personality. So we have to be careful in and
how we work with the recovery process to really be sensitive
to, you know, trauma histories in the family and working on
every level that we can. Because I tell you, there's so
many people have been hurt. I mean, many people in the early

(01:06:49):
days, like when they went publicwith their alien abduction
testimonies on some of these early talk shows.
And and then they got totally like creamed and bad mouth and
ridiculed and bad shit happened.They lost their marriage, they
lost their job. I mean, there's so many things
that happened to people in the early days where they just shut
up. They just said they don't talk
about it. But I think now more people are

(01:07:12):
a little more open, but it stillhappens in families and a lot of
them keep quiet sometimes because our own, there's,
there's clandestine human groupsthat keep an eye on some of
these lines and, and then they harass them or they target them.
So there's all kinds of unusual things that happen with

(01:07:32):
different people. And they they just like they,
just won't keep quiet. You know, yes, that's amazing
and powerful. Yes, I want to thank you Eve for
sharing your insights with us today.
And I, I want to respect your time.
But before we wrap up, could youplease let our listeners know
where they can find you and moreabout your work?

(01:07:54):
OK, well, I'm. Working on the second editions
of both books and The Dark Side of Cupid 1 is out now.
I know it's out on Amazon Kindleand hard copy and maybe also
through some of other distributors.
And I'm working on an Italian version, which hasn't come out
yet, but that's going to be an Italian simply because there was

(01:08:14):
many people in Italy who are aware of this with Malanga's
research as well. So that and then we're working
on the second addition to the love bite, but it's in progress.
But that Kindle of the original version is still available like
on Amazon. So I just wanted that to be
known. And I do have a website.
It's it could be used updating, but hey, I'm not IT savvy, but

(01:08:36):
it's evelogan.com. And then I have a telegram group
that I do more updated things called alien love bite.
It's a private group. So you have to like contact me
on a e-mail or a web contact thing on my website.
It just ask and I'll send a link.
And so I'm only really on, you know, X and I'm not even on

(01:08:59):
Facebook. I'm on LinkedIn and I'm trying
to get more social media. But really there's it's just
e-mail and alien loved by Telegram and my website and I'm
on a lot of different shows. Like I've appeared on many with
James Bartley on the cosmic Switchboard show and I have, oh,
I have two. What do you call it?

(01:09:20):
Non YouTube because it's censored so much.
I mean, Odyssey, I have an Odyssey and a Rumble channel
with a lot of different interviews that someone who's
very special has done for me to do a mini interviews.
So that that is available on Odyssey and Rumble many
interviews. So because I've got so many, I'm
at the Bundis for 30 years now. So I have a lot of interviews

(01:09:43):
and and I have changed views over the years, like refined my
views also. And that's that's just something
that happens that I want people to know that maybe 10 years ago
I might have had a particular view that now I'm a little more
reserved. So, but that happens right as we
learn and as we grow. Yeah, we grow.

(01:10:03):
Yeah. Well, thank you again for coming
on to the show. Eve, I really appreciate you
taking the time to delve into these fascinating topics with
us. And your expertise has shed
light on some truly intriguing areas of research.
And thank you again. And I would love to have you
come back because I didn't even get to finish asking a lot of
the questions. So I would love to have you come

(01:10:24):
back. That would be.
Great, we could talk about the lucid dreaming.
I want to thank my special guest, Eve Lorgan for sharing
such fascinating insights with us today.
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Bye. I have one too far I can't

(01:11:30):
focus. You say who you are and I've
noticed if I fall apart. Could you all this, I mean,
digging way too deep in the feelings and I'm over here
looking for all the reasons. So if you're going to stick

(01:11:53):
around and if you plan to hold me down, be patient 'cause I'm
finding down, then I might need you.
Yeah, don't. Want to mess up?
I can't lose you. So if.

(01:12:40):
You're going to stick around. And if you.
Plan to hold me down the patient'cause I'm finding out that I
might need you, yeah. I can't lose you.

(01:13:21):
I can't lose you. I can't get along.
And I'm going to keep my heart by my side.
I can't act up, I can't turn. Don't need a You can't be alone.
There's nothing. You must just be surprising.

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