Episode 145. Doll Programming Exposed: SRA Survivor Jessie Czebotar on Occult Truths | Wake Up with Miya - Wake Up with Miya

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An element of the monarch program is the complete and
total mind control. And you know with that it gets
into the building of altars, which are altar personalities
where you know they're going to be segmenting the mind into
like, the easiest way to describe it is like a file
system. You have, let's just say you

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have 4 drawers. Each of those drawers are going
to be given a different name, you know, So one of the things
like with the adult programming,just for example, what they
would start with was the Thumbelina.
That drawer is going to be connected to a spiritual entity
and altar, like an actual physical altar that would be

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sacrificed on because they're going to make the contract with
the spiritual entity. So it's not just that they're
splitting the mind or trying to control the mind.
Aloha and welcome to another show.
Guys. I'm really glad you're here
today because we are peeling back the layers on a dark and

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disturbing topic, doll programming.
Joining me once again is my returning guest and friend,
Jesse Saboder, a survivor and truth teller who brings rare
first hand insights into hidden systems that most people have
never even heard of. In this episode, we dive deep

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into doll programming while alsotouching on related systems like
mannequin, toy soldier, and Monarch programming.
Jesse helps us to understand howthese systems operate.
Please note that this conversation may be difficult
for some listeners, so listener discretion is advised.

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If you or someone you care abouthas experienced this kind of
trauma, know that you're not alone.
There are people like Jesse who are actively helping survivors
heal and reclaim their lives. You can learn more about her
work and find resources at Kingdom Living with jesse.com

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Now let's welcome Jesse to the conversation.
Enjoy the show. Hello Jesse and welcome back.
It's a pleasure. To have you back again, I always
love our conversation and today we're going to explore something

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that we haven't fully touched onbefore, doll programming.
I know many of our listeners arefamiliar with terms like MK
Ultra or the Monarch. We talked about that before, but
this is more specific, like a specific branch that I think
doesn't get talked about much. So I'd love for you to walk us

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into the programming, what it really is, where it starts, how
it's used, what makes it different from other
programmings that we've discussed.
Yeah. So I think like when we begin,
it's good to kind of just talk about the structure of

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programming. And you know, the system is
notorious for using symbols, images, all to represent what
they're doing. You know, at face front,
everything just looks like random images at all, you know,
looks like it's very disconnected or uncoordinated.

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But it really is a collaborated effort.
So you know, it's important to start with, you know, the image
of the monarch program, Monarch program is, is the overall name
of the system's program. And, you know, the image is

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actually fivefold, but most people would see it fourfold
because it, they usually show animage of a monarch or a
butterfly. And you've got the kind of, you
know, the, the wings sectioned off into 4 sections.
The fifth section is actually seen as the head and the body.

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So, you know, going back to, youknow, this goes all the way back
to centuries, but the common denominator of the program is
that, you know, the system needed to ensure that it kept
going. So each generation, you know,
there's individuals that they'regoing to raise up who are going

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to be in charge of teaching the foundational frame of the system
to the next generation so that it continues on.
And how they did that usually was that, you know, they would
choose one person that would know the entire, the entirety of
the programs, meaning, you know,what are the programs, who,

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who's overseeing those programs?And you know, who has the pieces
that they're overseeing. And they would safeguard it, you
know, this way where you know that there would only be one
person that would know the entirety.
And then they would, you know, have four other individuals that

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each would have a piece based onwhat was their sphere or scope
of training. So, so therefore you had then
where, you know, the, the whole thing was divided into 4 parts,
each of those four parts having an element that is going to be

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run through the regional departments of the system that
are working in connection to theeducational system.
So you had it split into, you know, 4 parts that were divvied
up between the Masons, the Mormons, the Jesuit, Catholic,
the Kabbalah, and the Satanist. Therefore, there was a blend

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between, you know, religion, thehome life and the educational
system and all of that, you know, operating in their
training the children up in the ways that they should go
according to, you know, what they're chosen to do in the
system. And yet, you know it's it.

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Nobody understands the wholenessof what's happening.
They just think, oh, we have ourhome life, we have our church
life and we have our education, but not understanding that all
of that is working together in order to train program or MK

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Ultra, the hierarchy children being born into the brotherhood
system. So that's the purpose of of
monarch is, you know, to basically be that unseen entity
that you know, is connecting allthose pieces of the training,

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the programming and the MK Ultra.
So based on, you know, what position the children are chosen
for in the system is going to, you know, depend on what is
their training, what are the programs they're going to be
involved in and do those does that training or programs

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include MK Ultra? So there's a aspect of this
that, you know, that kind of crosses spheres because, you
know, a bulk of the training that happens is all based, you
know, it, it's, it's based on just teaching a child what

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they're supposed to do, how they're supposed to act.
You have things like, you know, manners, etiquette, you know,
being a good steward of your school be, you know, doing
chores, living life. All of those became avenues of
just teaching or training a child up.

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You know, when you go to church,here's how you act.
Here's what you do. Now that happens both in their
cover life as well as in, you know, their brotherhood roles.
You know, they're going to just,they're going to, you know,
whoever's doing their training is going to model for them.

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You know, if you're in this situation, here's how you act.
So training is more natural. It's usually done by example.
It includes Kabbalah knowledge which is passed on orally.
So all of that, you know, is more of a natural aspect of the

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teaching within that monarch training versus, you know,
programs are, you know, the program part.
That could be two ways you you have projects or programs that
you know, children will participate in.
It could include experiments. You know, think about things

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like vaccines where, you know, those were going big.
They were monitoring the health of the children.
You know, with the programs you're going to have, usually a
specialist who's overseeing, you're going to have a
monitoring aspect to it. There's going to be feedback.

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You know, they're wanting to seewhat's happening.
You know, how do you feel? How is this impacting you?
You know, so they'll be more people involved, whether that's
in the school, whether that's through the military or, you
know, if that's through your church, you you'd get it.

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Even with some of the priests that were involved, you know,
where, how are they going to monitor?
How are they going to control? How are they going to figure out
and assess how you're doing? A lot of times that's going to
come through confession. You know you're going to go for
appropriations and you know you're going to confess and

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that's how they're going to know.
Is the teaching working or not? Are.
You. Are they getting the moral and
the ethical results that they want in your cover life or are
you struggling with those things?
What are the struggles? Well, now you're gonna confess
on in order to be right with Godand they're going to give you

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tasks, things that you have to do to write the, the areas where
you're out of compliance, right.So, you know, if that's not
working well, then they also hadthe virtue squad, which are
going to be, you know, the olderwomen in the church, the, you

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know, the secretaries, those whoalways have eyes, the nuns at
the school or teachers, those who are going to, you know,
remind you that, you know, you don't speak unless you're spoken
to or when you enter the library, you must be quiet, you

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know, and they're going to give you the rules.
They're going to direct you whenyou're out of compliance and
give you that chance to come back into compliance.
Now, if you don't, well, then there's they're going to put
into effect the secondary compliance, you know,

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punishments which, you know, forme as a child and many other
children, that would include, you know, usually pits or, you
know, being locked in a basement, being locked under the
staircases. You know, they would isolate,
separate you so that you have time to think, you know, about

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what you're not doing right and you have time to pray and you
have time to get right with God,which basically was all their
wording that would be focused on, you know, controlling your
cover life. You know you need to have that

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emotional capacity to control yourself and self regulate.
They're not going to. Do it for you, but they
certainly will put you into situations that are conducive to
that self emotional and physicalregulation, even to the point

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of, you know, tying down or whatever they need to do to get
that child under control. And you know, if if that's not
enough, then they're going to take more drastic measures to
make sure you're silent and thatyou aren't telling things that
aren't supposed to be told. So you know, all of that

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connected with your you know, what would be more considered
programs because you know there's going to be a more you
know, it kind of goes across programs and training, but you
know, in that they're ultimatelywanting you to come to the

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conclusions you to make the the choice.
You know, it's your will, how you're going to act and behave
and how you're going to respond.So all of that is different from
then the next phase of of the programs, which is the the MK

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Ultra. And with that, you know it's not
your choice. It's not your will even, you
know, force choice is different than the MK Ultra because
they're going to, you know, be more evasive in it and you know,
they're going to usurp any will that you or choice that you may

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have. They're just going to get in
there and they're going to get control.
And that can start at a very young age.
The earliest doll programming begins usually around age 2 to
4, and that's the Thumbelina programming.

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So with that, you know, it's common for the programming to be
associated with stories. And that became a way that they
could easily cover if, you know,if a child's talking, even a
young child, you know, if they start bringing out the name
Thumbelina and people are like, what is she talking about?

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Why is she bringing that out? Then it gets to, oh, you know, I
shared a story with her. We read the story of Thumbelina.
But in that program, you know, it's, it's about giving that
person who's going to be controlling that child, you

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know, access. And so, you know, an element of
the monarch program is, is the complete and total mind control.
And you know, with that, it getsinto the building of alt altars,
which are altar personalities where you know, they're going to

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be segmenting the mind into like, the easiest way to
describe it is like a file system.
You have, let's just say you have 4 drawers.
Each of those drawers are going to be given a different name.

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You know, So one of the things like with the doll programming,
just for example, what they would start with was the
Thumbelina, you know, and that that drawer is going to be
connected to a spiritual entity and altar, like an actual
physical altar that would be sacrificed on because they're

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going to make the contract with the spiritual entity.
So it's not just that they're splitting the mind or trying to
control the mind. The purpose is to give control
to a spiritual entity in this, you know, for whatever they're
purposing in the system. So, you know, so they're going

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to, you know, next after they, you know, they'll have a main
principality that's then connected to the oversight of
the drawer itself. So only those who, you know,
have connection to that entity or spirit can gain access.
Well, then, you know, as the drawers opened up, they're going

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to start putting files in there.Each of those files are going to
be connected to a traumatic experience.
And each is separate within itself.
It becomes its own, you know, its own memory, all separated
from the other memories within that drawer.

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Each an experience that you know, they can choose what is
the, what's going to be part of the conscious memory, what's
part of the subconscious memory and all of those, each of those
files can be connected to additional entities that will
oversee that file. So with the Thumbelina, you

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know, the purpose was basically in a nutshell to, you know,
create a begin to create the disassociation.
You know, Thumbelina's were usually silent, they wouldn't
fight when it's triggered, you know, the the child sees herself

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or himself as a baby doll where they're innocent, they're not
able to do anything. And usually the trauma would be
sexual assault and it was commonfor that to that initial sexual
assault to be with the father where you'd have the, you know,

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that's part of it, the father gaining control of the daughter
or the son through that sexual assault.
So then every time that altars brought up, you know, the the
child becomes very, you know, become silent, doesn't fight,

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just lays there, you know, experiences what happens, but
you know, has no control to react in the situation.
So that was kind of the initial one.
Then from there you get, you know, based on the seasons, the
times you get other dull programs that are going to be

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brought in. Some of the more, you know,
common ones are going to be likeyou've got your Tiger Lily
program that is going to be connected with those that you

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know that they're maybe, let's put it this way, there's a
connection with that in your order of the Red Men.
You know, that gets into some ofthe programs that operate out of
the Pacific Islands and the Palisades, California base,

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which in connection to those youhave a area that they're going
to call Neverland. So it gets into the Peter Pan
stories and brings in the Disney, Walt Disney movies where
they bring in the character, thetiger Lily, the chief's
daughter, you know, and the connection with Peter Pan, the

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Lost boys, the mermaids. All of that imagery is then
brought into that. You know, they'll be certain
times and seasons that you're going to have the programming
occur like usually, like in the fall, you get another that's not

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quite the same. You know, it's, it's similar to
the base stall programs, but youget programs like the Tin Man
programming that's going to get into the characters of the
Wizard of Oz where, you know, you've got the good witches, the
bad witches. You've got Dorothy who's got,

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you know, power on her own to get places.
And in that, you know, the Tin Man program is, you know,
they're told that they have no heart, you know, which really is
to impact any emotional or ethical morals that a child

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would have, especially a male child.
You know, when they're in that role of Tin Man, you know,
they're they don't have a heart,they're not seen as human.
And that was one of the like initial aspects that then like

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the Tin Man program, then funneled into some of the more
super soldier programs with the MK Ultra, you know, where
initially you either with the Tin Man, you were the Scarecrow
or you were the lion, all of those having different

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characteristics that they would bring out to children that were
being, you know, programmed together.
The Scarecrow, you know, was onethat, you know, also was seen as
not, you know, would see themselves as not human.
Would, you know, all of a suddenlose strength because they're

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not flesh, they don't have bones, you know, versus your
lion would be seen as, you know,a scaredy cat.
But then all of a sudden is confident and brave.
And all of that had to do with situations that they would put
the children in, you know, basically in creating them to

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be, you know, super assassins where, you know, if you're a Tin
Man, you know, you're not. You see yourself as, you know,
immortal, and you can take whatever and it's not going to
impact you because you're not human, right?

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So, you know, that's where you get the superhuman strength.
And some of these situations or those that are, you know,
assassins that are, you know, nomatter how many bullets you put
in and they're gonna still keep coming, you know, to fulfill the
job. It's because in their mind they
see themselves as something other than human in that

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construct, you know, keeps them going because there isn't any
fear there of death or anything.So those were some of the
initial. And then, you know, your
mannequin programs was another line that can't, you know,
became very similar to the MK Ultra, the superhumans, but

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that, you know, that one stemmedfrom some of the sorcery and the
journeys that they would put theKnights through.
You have, you know, some of the initial training for those that
are sovereign military Knights is that they have to complete

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journeys so as they enter into the sovereign military as a
knight. You know, they're defining
themselves according to equilibrium within the system.
According to the equilibrium, there always has to be, you
know, the two sides where you have one that's going to be

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considered good, one that's, youknow, considered light or the
sun. One that you know is considered
male, you know, and that has to do with the giving or the
receiving of energy. One that's considered fire magic

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versus you have the other that'sconsidered, you know, the
feminine, the weaker yet, even though you know, they can still
be strong in that, but you know,one that operates off the blue
light spectrum versus the yellowlight spectrum of magic.
So more the water magic, more the nighttime magic, you know,

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that one is usually considered the female the receipt can
receive versus the other gives out energy.
So all of that, you know, as children enter the training in
the programs they're going to bedefining, you know where they
fall into that. And so, you know, your mannequin

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program stemmed from, you know, as your kids would go to some of
the different training areas, one of the common ones were the
islands of Malta. And there they would have to
visit with the Oracles. You know, it goes along the
stories of Hercules. You know, they see themselves as

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Hercules. They have certain objectives
that they're given, you know, God forbid they run into Medusa
in that. And what does Medusa do?
Turns children into stone. That initially, you know, was
where the mannequin program stemmed out of those that were
stoned and basically then subject to, you know, whoever

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the Medusa, whoever the controlling sorceress is, you
know, they're they're controlledby that sorceress.
You know, they come to life whenthey're given commands.
Usually those commands revolve around killing and then they're
stoned again, you know, no life in them.

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So in that there's also a built in freeze program.
You know that if you're looked at your frozen, you know you're
not going to move. As long as you're looked at the
moment you're not looked at, youcan move.
So same with the mannequins havethat built in freeze and move

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programming. So they'll be given an
objective, but there's regulations with it that control
that objective, so. That's crazy, I've never heard
of so many different programmings.
My goodness, yeah. There's, I mean, there's more.

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It's, it's absolutely crazy, youknow, that's.
Ridiculous. Is is this through the military?
Or. Both, I mean, it's the upper
levels of the system like he had.
Gloria Vanderbilt was one she you know, they she used her doll

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houses for divination. So that's one where they teach
how do you know, use the doll houses to create scenarios to
make things will things to happen between the physical and
the spiritual worlds in that youalso had, you know, she would

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teach classes on the making of China dolls.
They would usually teach girls how to make the China doll face
mask. But that's a whole another
program. You get the China doll face and
you know those that are very beautiful but very fragile.

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So, you know, if the face gets broken, then there's things that
happen. So that became a whole program
where you get the very fragile and you know, if your face gets
broken or shattered, then that dealt with your soul and the
imagery of losing control, not having authority or power.

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You know, that would also be used in connection with initial
rituals where you know you'd always have to hide your face.
So they'd have the kids make their own masks, and you'd have
to, you know, keep your face hidden in spite of whatever was
happening at the ritual. Yeah.

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So there. I mean, there's just so many.
They have the Russian dolls too,where you end up with layer upon
layer upon layer of hidden, you know, personalities.
Just when you think you found the one, there's more.
And you know, it gets down to how many can they create in a
person? How many splits can they do in

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the mind? That's.
That's crazy and creepy too. Yeah.
Is there, I guess a spiritual demonic entity often associated
with thought programming? Or each programming is a
different? Yeah, you have the main, you

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have the kind of the main 4 hidden which are going to go
back to your main Egyptian gods,which are, you know, raw
Ashtaroth. They give you know when they.
Refer to her. In connection to the Egyptian,

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it's going to be ma, so you haveO, Ma RA and set O being an oak.
And then so those are the main four that they're going to hide
in programming and they're recognized only by their the
colors that they're connected to.

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So you'll see like you'll see itin the layout of the base
Rosicrucian cross with the Rose.You'll see a rose with the very
inner layer. In the inner layer you'll see
the yellow, the red, and the blue that goes back to those
Egyptian gods in that first layer of program, which is the
Omaha set. Then you have the next layer,

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you know it's going to connect to Ashtaroth and then usually
Avidon and Leviathan. And then you'll start to get the
subletting into other additionalprincipalities like Ball, Molec,
Befamat as as AL Toth and Samuelare kind of the next layers.

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And then from there, they'll continue to layer based on, you
know, what areas you're in, which commanders under those
principalities, you know, whose authority are you going to be
under. So they may get into specifics
with that, but. Yeah.
Are there's Are there public figures or characters in pop

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culture that you believe exhibitsigns of thought programming?
Yeah, there are some. Definitely.
I would say, you know, where we would see it more like your
classic, you had a lot of the kids that were involved, let's

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say with your Mickey Mouse Club or Disney, right where, you
know, in their initial, they start their careers young,
they're seen as innocent. They're all involved in very
family friendly things and wholesome things.
And then all of a sudden they hit 18 and all of a sudden

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there's a switch and you're like, what the heck, Like now
they're erotic. They're doing things that you
know, are blatant in in your face and you're like, what in
the world happened? I think those are good examples
of, you know, that doll program happening where you know, you

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have somebody that's controllingthem, somebody that's setting
the narrative. All that we see is the good
cover life that they're all going by.
But then, you know, as soon as they turn 18, they begin to
choose, you know, what they're, what they want, what they're

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going to display. And I think that shows, you
know, either their good side or their their dark side.
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Their dark side. Are there any triggers commonly
used to activate or reinforce these dull programming people?
Yeah. You know, I think some of the
ones that they would use especially like I would say like

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in the Disney or some of those you'd get color triggers.
So the change in lighting, you know, like if all of a sudden
things went and we see this evenhappening in homes now think
about how we used to all have light bulbs that were a yellow

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spectrum and all of a sudden allthe light bulbs change and now
everything is according to the blue spectrum.
Why is that right? We don't even think about stuff
like that. So you'd get lighting changes,
which, you know, could even include things with red light.

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You know, a lot of your exit signs were specifically made
with red lights, not to help youfind the exit better, but to
trigger, you know, if you had kids that were trying to get
away or get out, that red light would all automatically make
some of them pause and become very fearful.

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They may not even know why. But but they would hesitate and
be very fearful to, you know. They would start looking for, is
there another way out? You know, because there would
just be a natural fear that would be triggered with that red
light. So lighting was something that

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would often be used sound sometimes basic hypnosis
techniques like, you know, finger snaps or pen clicks.
You know, teachers would teachers, whether in the school
or in the churches, you would get the pen clicks or the

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tapping of the. Pencils was a huge one that they
would use in that or the rulers where they would tap the rulers
against the desk or the back of the chair.
All of that to trigger certain things.
You know that control. Wow.

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Are there known locations like schools or elite clubs or
training centers where doll programming is concentrated?
Yeah, I think, you know, the area of Chicago, that military
base was a big one that was known for that.

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You know, for the initial 'causeit's going to depend on, you
know, your kind of, I've broken down the training where you have
your main military bases that are going to do the initial
training, but they're going to work in connection with schools.
So you're going to get all thoseworking with the elementary or

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the preschools, the big areas with those that are going to be
involved at some level. But you know, so I would put
that as in, you know, the main few that I've named your
Palisades, California, you're going to have your Chicago, IL

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military base underground. You're going to have the three
bases that are considered Ragnarok, which is going to be
your South Pole. And then the northern Ragnarok's
are the Aleutian Islands, Alaskaand the Greenland military base.
And then you're going to have Cardarock Naval War Center at

(40:01):
Cardarock. They're going to more outsource
that. You know in that area because
it's the eastern quadrant. You get a connection to the
grand high priestesses of the East, which, you know, when I
was a kid, you had Gloria Vanderbilt, Laurie Cabot, Kent.
So those were kind of the big individuals who were doing it in

(40:22):
that area. Do these programs like the doll
program, are they in specific bloodlines or is this like
random they just. Yeah, I think it goes.
That's a great question. But I, you know, from what I
experienced it, it doesn't matter, you know, what bloodline

(40:46):
you're from in the hierarchy. You know, a hierarchy child is
just someone who's born into thesystem and they've, you know,
decided that you're going to have some position in the
system, even though it might notbe defined yet.
You know, they've chosen you to help continue the system on.

(41:09):
And then within that, you know, they're going to start to define
your your bloodline, not necessarily based on what family
name you come from, but those family names go back to your
tribes of Israel. And you may or may not actually

(41:30):
come from those tribes. You know, they're just going to
stick you in a house. And that house is going to be
defined by the name of a tribe of Israel further back.
It's going to connect to, you know, which Israel mother are
they putting you under, You know, Rachel, Leah or one of the

(41:52):
two maidservants. That's really what's behind
that. And all of that's going to
connect to your cherubic sign that they put you under
initially, which is going to go to, you know, the eagle in the
north, the lion in the east, theside of the man in the South or
the, you know, farm animal, the sign of the ox in the West.

(42:14):
So that's, you know, and all of that gets into, you know, your
elemental magical abilities and where they're going to stick you
in the circle groups that you'rein.
So that's kind of how it's defined in the system, you know.

(42:35):
So certainly, you know, any child that's chosen kind of for
to be to play that escort role in the system, you know, whether
low level or high level X escort, you know, they're more
likely to get the doll programming.

(42:56):
Certainly anybody chosen for MK Ultra programs to be super
soldiers. You know, we've talked a little
bit about the Voice of God project and how connected to
that project. You have two super soldier
groups, the one being the Alpha warriors, the other being the

(43:17):
Omega warriors. The Alpha are going to be in
charge of prepping time, seasonsand events for end time things,
making sure things are in place for when those times come.
And then your Theta Warriors being those that are going to,
you know, be called when it's time for those events and

(43:41):
they'll be participating in those events.
So those super soldier programs,both the Alpha and the Theta,
you know, they have an element of that, you know, dull
programming as well. Even though they're not gonna
call it, you know, they'll classify it under MK Ultra,

(44:02):
meaning they're specifically trained with, you know, not just
escort, but you get the warrior aspect to the dolls as well,
which goes back to like how theyclassified it in the old days
was the dolls were more connected to your wife's, those

(44:26):
that would be parts of the breeder program.
You know, your wife's, your princesses, your Queens, all of
those would be classified as youknow the women that were going
to be married into or married tofor the purpose of producing
hierarchy children. Then you have, you know your

(44:50):
priestesses which are more connected to your escorts.
You know, they're going to be servicing, providing that sexual
pleasure. Then you get where there's a
intermix with that with, you know, some were then used for

(45:11):
assassins where they would, you know, train them in the
different CIA assassin programs.But then that, you know, so you
had your doll programs, which mostly dealt with, you know, the
breeder programs and the escort services.
And then you had your toy soldier program, which is

(45:34):
originally what the MK Ultra was, was you would get those
that were just, you know, they were programmed basically to to
go into war, whatever it was, and to basically die.
You know, their job was to be a soldier and whoever controlled

(45:57):
them, you know, dictated whetherthey lived or died.
So. And, you know, you do,
interestingly enough, you get the imagery.
There's a mural of the toy soldiers in the Halloween room
at Biltmore. Yeah.

(46:20):
So you get a, you know, that that initially, like you had a
program that dealt with both thedolls and the soldiers known as
The Nutcracker. And, you know, they came out
with that imagery of The Nutcracker and then the doll

(46:42):
program for that they called theballerina program.
And you had the toy soldiers in there too, where the toy
soldiers job was to protect, to help save, to rescue.
Yeah. So.
Wow. Yeah, to me it seems like, I'm
not saying all ballerinas, I'm, I'm not saying that, but the

(47:04):
ballet program, especially the ones that are really rigid in
Russia from what you see in movies anyway, and how they
train you is very rigorous. And it's like doll like program.
It seems like 'cause they're just, they have to be a certain
way. Wow.

(47:26):
Yeah, so these doll. Program.
I thought initially it was more for maybe entertainment or
politics, but it it can be used for anything for.
Anything. Yeah, for anything.
So. Wow.
And how are these doll identity maintained over time?
Are there handlers involved or are there other self?

(47:49):
From my understanding, initiallythey had, you know, those in the
system that were classified as programmers, so they would be
the ones initiating the program.And then from my understanding,
and a lot of this comes from Cisco Wheeler, who is the top

(48:11):
programmer in the system. You know, she has a book, The
Total Mind Control Program. You can look that up by Cisco
Wheeler and Fritz Springmeyer. She gets into some of the
programs in there, but it seemedlike the average programs were,

(48:33):
you know, what they found was that they would stick if they,
you know, were initiated. Well, they would usually stick
for 30 years and then around the30 year mark, they would begin
to break down. The person would start to have
memories, puzzle pieces coming up, flashbacks.

(48:54):
And that's when they would have to they initiated put into
place, you know, the ISSTD therapist who then became those
who managed those who had been programmed.
And you know, there would be a reprogramming that would take

(49:16):
place. And then from there, you know,
it still seemed like the programs reprograms, you know,
stick about 30 years. And then, you know, if, if the
reprogram did not stick, that's where you had the mental health
services put into place because you'd have people that, you

(49:40):
know, literally would be like, they were crazy.
And they would put them into theasylums.
They would medicate them, silence them and shut them up so
that they weren't, you know, compromising the system or the
structure of the system. Wow I never saw this movie but
is doll programming I guess and a woman would look something

(50:05):
like a Stepford wife. The show or that movie Stepford?
Yeah, for those that like that would be under like where we
talked about that they can be, you know, that would be used to
for them to be used in breeding.So as wives, as you know,

(50:25):
Queens, as princesses, Yeah, you'd get kind of that step,
first wife type feel. Creepy vibe, yeah.
Wow. What about dolls like Barbie and
things like that? Are these used on purpose?

(50:46):
You know, for like these doll programming for for girls to to
look perfect, to be perfect. Yeah.
And it wasn't, you know, it wasn't necessarily even the
perfect look. It was a it's a form of
perfectionism and it binds them under the sin usually connected
to gluttony. But you've got the reverse of

(51:09):
gluttony, which is anorexia or bulimia, you know, where it's a
self destruct program that you know they're going to not even
realize they're doing damage to their body.
And you know, it's basically theself destruction.

(51:29):
Yeah, yeah. So what would someone look for
either in someone else or even themselves if they been
programmed? I mean, is there certain signs
that they can see? Not necessarily.
You know, because they're they're all designed where
you've got that cover life, you know, and most of it is so good

(51:55):
that, you know, you don't even notice anything, which that then
becomes sometimes the biggest foreteller, you know, how do you
know the kids that have been in the system?
Usually the one identifying markis the perfectionism.
You know, these are your perfectfamilies, your perfect kids.

(52:18):
They excel in school, they excelin sports and all these other
extracurricular activities, including church.
They have time for it all, and they're the best of the best.
Usually those are your kids and your families that are in the
system, you know, And so you know that perfectionism becomes

(52:39):
the mark, that form of godliness, you know, where even
they've got that relationship with God.
They pray everything right in conjunction with those that have
extreme night terrors. That's the other one is the
nightmares and the night terrors, because usually they're

(53:02):
being either called up at night or there's stuff happening in
the spirit world at night, you know, or they're having memory
surface during those times. Yeah.
So when you say night terrors, is that them when you get frozen
and in bed and can't get up? That's night, that's

(53:25):
paralyzation, which that can go hand in hand with the nightmares
and the night terrors, but you know two different things.
So nightmares is going to be, you know, where you're getting
the horrific dreams. Night terrors is those that are
gonna like they'll kind of enterinto state.

(53:46):
They may even be physically active.
So like they could be, you know,walking at night, they could be
good getting out of the house. But the biggest thing, like with
the night terrors is they'll just, you know, they won't be
responsive, but they'll sit up in bed, they'll be screaming
these horrific screams. They'll be terrified, but

(54:10):
they're asleep and you know, you've got to try to break them
out of that, wake them up. So that's more the night
terrors. I see.
Yeah, like a Nightmare on Elm Street kind of thing.
Yeah, and the paralyzation wouldbe where they, you know, they
can't move sometimes they can't breathe.

(54:32):
They stop breathing in their sleep with different, I think
there's an aspect to sleep apneathat connects with that.
And then you can get the actual,you know, those who are getting
physical demonic attacks when they sleep.
You know, that can be play a role in that as well.

(54:54):
You mentioned red men in the Pacific region.
What is that? The Order of the Red Men is one
of considered one of the more ancient orders of the
Brotherhood. So you can look them up and
usually, you know, it has nothing to do with Native
Americans, even though they're gonna use that symbology in that

(55:18):
order, you know, but they're going to usually be involved in
politics the way that they. Structure that order.
You know, they take a lot of a Native American things or
imagery. You have positions like
Pocahontas, which is going to bethe individual within that order

(55:40):
who schedules the meetings, tells everybody where the
meetings are at, you know, and they're gonna, they work hand in
hand with your nights group called the Sons of Liberty.
There's so many different branches within branches within
branches, it's crazy. I don't know how you keep it

(56:02):
straight. Oh my goodness, Neverland.
That reminded me of Michael Jackson.
Isn't that what his place was called?
The Neverland or something like that?
I don't know. About that, but that'd be
interesting. Huh?
Yeah. 'Cause he was liked children and

(56:25):
he act like a child and I think his place in California, he
called it the Neverland. I thought I know weird.
I know a lot of these missing children, are they part of these
programs or not? I guess some not necessarily OK.

(56:49):
Yeah. You're more, I think like you're
missing children like you would see in connection with those
like that you see up in the signs at Walmart or things.
I think those are going to be more your expendable children
that are used for rituals or forsexual exploitation within the

(57:10):
system. Yeah.
Wow. Now if someone has been in this
one of these programs, how do you get out of it?
Is there is there a way to breakfree?
How can they break free? Where do they get help?
There is, yeah. And you know, for me, I'm going

(57:31):
to be a little unconventional here because, you know, if
you're going off of the specialist side, you know, those
that dealt with, you've got a whole aspect, the psychological
aspect to that. And your specialists are going
to tell you that only somebody who understands those things can

(57:51):
deprogram or, you know, help youget that under control, which
usually is going to come through, you know, having
somebody basically handle or control you.
And usually that will be with medication and other things.

(58:13):
Which you know, I encourage people pray, ask the Lord.
You know, the Lord knows the extent of what was done to you.
He also knows the extent of whatyour body needs.
So don't take my suggestion as medical advice.
You know, look into it all, prayand ask the Lord about it all.

(58:34):
But with that said, all of thoseavenues, they never speak cure.
They only speak of ways to manage.
You know, that's what you're gonna get.
You're gonna get to manage symptoms.
I'm somebody who is a firm believer in the complete work of

(58:56):
Christ. You know, I know the work the
Lord did in my life, and I see the Lord do the complete work in
people's lives. You know, who created our mind,
who knows everything about us, Who, you know, is the one who is
the sovereign Lord over all things in our lives, it's Jesus

(59:18):
Christ. So I'm a firm believer in the
complete work of Christ. And within that, you know, you
have a component of, you know, working through deliverance with
the Lord. How does that look?
It starts with first John 19. Confess the sin.

(59:39):
Sin is the enemy's only legal ground.
And that's one thing that the system is big, is putting people
into a place of sin, a state of unrighteousness.
How do they get away with, you know, attaching all these
spirits, attaching all of that stuff that you know, comes on

(01:00:01):
survivors? It's through sin, acts of sin,
right? So how do we remove the
stronghold that the enemy has over us?
And that's an important word in Scripture.
You know what is the basis of these programs?
It's all strongholds in the spiritual realm.

(01:00:22):
It's all connection to spiritualentities, right?
How do we deal with those? Scripture says that we have the
authority to rebuke them. We have the authority to cast
them out. Where do we start?
It starts with that confession when we confess our sins.
According to first John 19, the Lord is faithful to cleanse us

(01:00:47):
and to to remove all unrighteousness.
So that puts us in a different state.
When that happens, when we confess, we are now restored to
a state of righteousness, right?Standing before God.
And in that state, we have authority in Christ.

(01:01:07):
We have the authority to rebuke.We have the authority to bind.
We have the authority to cast out.
So that's where I start. And you know, by the time you're
done working through all the things that the Lord shows you
to work through, you're in that place of right standing and

(01:01:28):
standing in your authority in Christ, fully dressed in your
spiritual armor, which He gives to each of us.
And with that, you know, how arewe standing in that armor?
You know, what does it say? Our loin is girded with truth.
We have on the breastplate of righteousness.
Our feet are shod with the gospel of peace.

(01:01:51):
We have the helmet of salvation,that assurity that we know
exactly where we're going. You know, we are saved.
And with that, we have our shield of faith and our sword of
the Spirit. And, you know, we're able to
stand against the evil one. What is the final outcome of

(01:02:13):
that? You know, it tells us in the
Book of Revelations, you know, they overcame the evil 1 by the
blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony.
That's really what this is about.
You know, when we manage symptoms, we lose out on going

(01:02:34):
forward in the authority and thepower of the blood of the Lamb
and the word of our testimony. So.
That's why I put it those ways. I don't think there's anything
too difficult for the Lord. He knows exactly, you know, what
each of us has gone through. He knows that you know the
damages that was caused to us and He is able to heal.

(01:02:59):
You know the Lord is our healer and heal, restore, renew.
Yet, with that said, there may be times that we can't deal with
those strongholds alone. You know, find someone that you
know is going to promote your healing, that is going to be

(01:03:23):
there alongside of you as you work through that journey if you
have to. But you know, trust the Lord
too, don't you know? I guess my biggest thing with
that is, you know, don't subjectyourself to the wisdom of men.
You know we have a mighty Holy Spirit who can display his power

(01:03:48):
and if you need help walking through things to someone that
is walking in that. Display of the Holy Spirit's
power, not just in the wisdom ofmen, Yeah.
Yeah, yes. Well, thank you so much, Jesse.
I always appreciate your honesty, your depth and your
courage. Thank you and for those who want

(01:04:12):
to follow your work and to learnmore, where's the best place
where they can find you? Yeah, you can find me on my
website, Kingdom Living with jesse.com.
I encourage you to check that out.
I've got a great new series, TheUnveiling of the System, which,
you know, I'm breaking down the different aspects of how the

(01:04:36):
system works and operates. Just yesterday I had one of my
newest episodes, The Princess ofJerusalem and the Councils go
up. I also have the Leviathan system
Part 1 and 2 that just went up. So those are great for helping
you understand, you know, what is this system, how is it

(01:05:00):
working and operating at the quadrant and regional levels?
How can I know? How can I recognize the signs,
the symbols and where it's working?
So in those episodes, I really start to get into that.
So I encourage you to check thatout on my website.
You'll find my courses, the coachings that I have available

(01:05:23):
and I do have a great a new workshop coming up in August
here. Let me quick check, I think it's
August 10th and 17th to Thursdaynights, but I'm going to start
to get into decoding. Like we've talked a little bit
about the structure of the buildings, I'm going to get

(01:05:45):
further into the architecture and how the architecture
connects to the altars and how you can know by the architecture
which deities and which alters they have available in the
areas. So that's brand new up for
people to sign up and register. That will be again, August 10th

(01:06:10):
and 17th. That's going to be packed with a
lot of information. I also have another
international land assignment people can sign up to start to
learn how to decode the Crest, the different symbols that you
would see internationally in theCrest, what those mean.

(01:06:31):
And that is July 26th, so lots of new stuff coming out.
Yes, yes. Well, thank you again, Jesse,
for being with us and speaking so boldly.
Your courage and clarity always bring steps to these
conversations. And I know the listeners are
going to walk with a lot to think about.

(01:06:53):
So thank you for that. No, thank you.
I want to give a heartfelt thankyou to my special guest and
friend, Jesse Supporter for coming on and sharing her
powerful insights and lived experience.
These conversations aren't easy,but they matter, and your
courage to speak the truth brings light where it

(01:07:16):
desperately needs it. So thank you, Jesse.
To learn more about Jesse's work, please visit.
Her. At her.
Website Kingdom Living with jesse.com and to all of you
listening, thank you so much forshowing up and staying curious
and for being part of this space.
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