Faith vs. Doubt: Examining God's Existence

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody and welcome to today's episode of
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that nature.
I, believe it or not, Iabsolutely love it.
I do, I do, I um, and it's notbecause I think I know, so I got
I think one guy was saying allthat stuff but it's not because
I think I know so much.
Actually, I feel like I knowvery little, um about the word
of god.
Like I, if you were to put justto kind of make it a size

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comparison if you were to put,like a drop of water, you put it
in a spoon and then you turn itaround and put that spoon in a
bucket and then put that bucketin the middle of a lake, that I
believe would be that drop ofwater, would still represent
what I think I know about theBible.
So we are exploring this thingtogether, you and I.

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So thank you for joining us.
Thank you.
Now there are some things I doknow and there's some things
that I don't know and things Idon't know.
I'll tell you that I don't know.
If there's something that Ihave to give an opinion on, I'll
tell you it's my opinion,because I don't want you to
think I'm God, because I knowI'm not God and I'm thankful at

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least twice a month that I amnot God.
Maybe twice a week.
A couple times I've beenthankful twice in a day that I
wasn't God, because what Ithought about a situation was
completely wrong.
But I don't want to get off inthe weeds with that.
Thank you all so much forliking and sharing.
You've been listening to thispodcast.
I can't thank you enough.

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I can't thank God enough forbringing you here, for bringing
us together, so we're just goingto jump right into it.
We've got a little ground tocover, so I just want to get
right into it okay into it.
We got a little ground to cover, so I just want to get right
into it, okay Now.
Last week we were talking aboutwho spoke the word of God and

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that inspired the question well,who is God and does he really
exist and believe it or not?
We could have 36 podcasts onthis subject and have and have
it turn out 36 different waysbecause, believe it or not,

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there are so many different umavenues that try to express,
like, a disbelief in god, likean atheist um atheism
perspective where, hey, there'sno such thing as a higher thing,
but then they don't evenrealize that to have that belief
is atheistic belief and we'llgo into that.

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But understanding that thesethings come from the universal
belief, the universal acceptancesomewhere deep down in our soul
that we know that God exists,that there is a God that exists,
I mean you could be like theagnostics where they kind of
believe that, yeah, we know Godexists, but it's so ridiculously

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overwhelming that the punyhuman brain could never have
never comprehend any of it,whereas the atheist kind of
believes like, well, no, we justsort of showed up here out of
nowhere and we don't believe inGod and we're not going to try
to believe in God, because if wedo, our brains will explode.

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Try to believe in God becauseif we do, our brains will
explode.
And then you have other peoplewho worship different things as
God or different spirits, stufflike that, like spirituality.
You worship spirituality asit's God.
Then you will tell yourselfthat it's not a religion that
you're not worshiping andbecause of the contradiction
that you set up in your mind,you think that this is true.

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So this belief, this universalthing, this universal drive to
worship a higher being or a god,proves that god does exist.
Now we use a little few extrawords here.

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You say what is the argument ofcause?
Now, by that means there's acause for everything.
Like how did it happen?
Are man and the universeeffects of something, which we
are?
But if we are the effects ofsomething, because cause comes

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before effect, then there mustbe a cause.
I'll say that again because itseems a little confusing.
If everything we see is aneffect and everything we go
through is a cause and an effect, what was the original cause?
God would have had to have beenthe original cause.
Oh well, then when you starttalking about that, people start

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saying, well, the Big Bang.
And OK, well, how did the BigBang happen?
Oh, because, and OK, so, and if, if the one Big Bang happened
and what you have is an entiregroup, an entire universe of, of
material or matter, how did youget any matter?

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Oh, um, okay, it was all onespec and then it exploded, right
?
So you mean to tell me that thebuilding blocks of human
existence existed in the oneatom of matter at the center of
the universe?
Once you start picking thisstuff, it starts to fall apart.

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So, um, we have to understandthat the world did not just come
into existence by itself.
The bible didn't write itself.
And it would be more sensible tohave a situation where you walk
into a library and then claimthat there were no authors in
the world who wrote these.

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That would actually make moresense Than to try to think that
this world wasn't created, thatthe universe wasn't created.
Everything you see on thisplanet, everything you
experience, was created.
Walking into a library andsaying there's no such thing as
an author, it would make moresense, but that absolutely makes

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no sense because it's anillogical thing, right?
Man exists, we all exist, you,I exist, and I know that
sometimes your existence may begood, sometimes it may be not so
good, sometimes it may be bad,sometimes it may be horrible,
but we all owe our existence tosome cause.
We are the effect.

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We did not always exist.
We will.
Some of us will cease to existon this plane, and that means we
were created, and we werecreated by God.
Now, there's a design argumenttoo, and I like this design

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argument and basically how theargument works is that you take
this watch right.
The watch proves that not onlythere is a maker of a thing, or
the person that thought it out,but also someone who designs it.
The universe and nature, inthis regard, proves that there

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is a superintending intelligence.
Now, I know I used a veryracist set of words to say that
was God, but it's important thatwe level the groundwork, lay
the groundwork first, tounderstanding what a design
argument is.
This is a design argument, andthere's several different

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arguments.
And then there's, like, thebeing argument, which is one of
the ones that I like to dealwith, because you can go down a
rabbit hole quickly.
Now, this means this isbasically from an ontological
point of view, okay, this meansthat we have an area, have an

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idea, rather than you know, ofan infinite and perfect being.
Now, how would we generate thatsort of thought that there was
an infinite and perfect, thatthat existed outside of
ourselves?
I mean, it couldn't have comefrom ourselves.
Therefore, that being has toexist and it can't be just a

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mere thought, because it kind ofwas inspired on us and it's
something that is so far downinto our psyche that we, even if
we try to hide it, we sort ofaccept, even if that acceptance
takes a different form, we'llget into that.
Um, then there's like the moralargument.

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That is also a very interestingone, and especially in the last
three or four years, where wetry to accept the fact that
morality is obligatory, it's notan optional thing.
You have to do this.
You will see somebody looksomeone dead in their face and
say, well, you have to do this.

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Clearly, they don't have to dostuff.
No, you have to put that hammerdown.
No, I don't have to dosomething now.
You have to put that hammerdown.
No, I don't.
I could take this hammer and dothings that I'll regret later,
but I can still do them.
When they, when people speaklike that, they're speaking of
morality and what it is that weas men have an intellectual and

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moral nature, like a consciousand emotional nature, which is
not only like a being of goodpower, love and wisdom and
holiness, but that is how ournature is, kind of subscribing

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to God's nature, right, and it'sat least on a subconscious
level and I say subconscious Imean way deep down that it
acknowledges the being, itacknowledges the supreme being,
it acknowledges the judge and itacknowledges the lawgiver.

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Now, notice, I used the termsupreme being.
It acknowledges the judge, itacknowledges the law giver.
I noticed I used the termsupreme being.
We're talking about God.
I don't want to get thatconfused Right Now.
Here's the most difficult andsort of kind of fluid argument
to make and I say fluid inquotation marks, and basically

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it's called a congruity argumentand and you probably want to
take notes on these I probablyshould have said that at the
beginning.
Right, the congruity argument.
Now, what that means is youtake the key, you put it in the
lock and you and if it turns youhave the right keyief in is
sort of a self-existent personal.
God is in harmony with ourmental and moral nature of being

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self-sufficient and thinkingthat we're good people and then
we.
This is why we initially wetalk about being naive.
This thing sort of goes intohow we look at the world around
us.
We believe people that weshouldn't believe.
We disbelieve people that weshould.
So if God exists, then allquestions regarding the creation

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, religion, nature, humanhistory would be answered.
You wouldn't have to makethousands of books trying to
figure it out.
Now, atheism leaves all thesematters without explanation.
Basically, they just kind ofsay, well, these things just

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showed up out of nowhere.
But then he asked them what isshowing up now out of nowhere?
They can't answer that.
So it's important to understandthe difference of why atheism is
a religion of faith, believe itor not, it is a believer of
faith.
Is a a religion of faith,belief system of faith?

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I was trying to say belief andreligion at the same time.
I didn't know.
Now, these, what we talkedabout were arguments of logic
and, believe it or not, some ofthe worst things you can do is
go into the Word of God withpure logic.
And the reason why that is isbecause if you argue the

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existence of God from a logicalperspective, all the arguments
for the existence of God from alogical perspective, all the
arguments for the existence ofGod are all sound.
They sound great, they are,they make sense, but the only
problem is the argument.
Same argument made in reversewould also make sense.

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If you're going from a purelylogical position, then the
arguments against God would alsomake the same sort of sense.
So what the writers tend to doin the Bible is they write from
what's called the personalexperience, and this is a
different argument from any ofthe other ones we talked about

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before and where you knoweverybody, everybody that's in
church, everybody that's had amiracle happen to them.
They could, we could testifythat, hey, I was praying and god
, this thing for me, I was goingthrough this and this happened
for me, you know.
So this is a thing right, andhow that works out is that when

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we testify about theseexperiences that we've had at a
personal level with a personaland living God, then it provides
us sufficient proof by itselfthat God lives.
Now these experiences could bedivided under several different

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ways, under several differentteachings.
Like you know, god asks forprayer, god saves someone.
We know, hey, listen, thisguy's really been going through
it, god, I've been praying forhim to get the Holy Ghost, to
get the Holy Ghost, and we say,oh yeah, god exists.
And then we have ourgrandmother there, our
grandfather there, who will prayfor somebody, whose offspring

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will pray for them to get well.
They've been sick for a longtime.
And we find out that God, thattheir bodies are just
miraculously healed, and they goback to the doctor.
The doctor says man, I can'tfind any reason why you were
sick anymore.
These miracles that take placecan't help but explain the

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presence of a uh, an omnipotentGod.
And when we have our fellowshipwith God, when we pray to God
and we worship Him, and we feelHim coming, you know, we feel
Him coming inside and we justsort of, and it sort of feels

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electric.
That's all the food we need MeY'all.
I'm going to tell you walkers,I'm going to tell you just like
this I have been doub.
All the proof.
We need Me Y'all.
I'm going to tell you what?
Because I'm going to tell youjust like this I have been
doubting the existence of Godfor a long time, a long time.
But two things happened thatabsolutely solidified my belief

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in God.
Number one the devil came andsaid what if God ain't real?
Okay, well, if God ain't real,you ain't real.
And I'm having a hallucination,which I'm not, so therefore we
aren't.
So then the other one was whatif heaven didn't exist?
So if heaven doesn't exist andhell doesn't exist, this is a

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problem.
So you have to really take intoconsideration what you are
experiencing right now when itcomes to doubting whether God
exists.
Your fellowship with God provesthat God exists, exist.

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Now, just to understand that weare able to experience the real
presence of God in his soulleaves no room for further
argument.
It's kind of like when you'respeaking to an atheist that
really don't understand that.
Now the best argument I havefound to talk to an atheist
about it is ask him what hasbeing atheist done for them?

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Now they'll say well, you know,I, I didn't spend my money in
tithes and I didn't do this andthat.
Third, and I didn't, uh, Ididn't spend all this time in
church and I'm not church-heardanymore and I'm free.
But you will find out,especially that last observation

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about being free they are notfree.
They are not free, they thinkthey're free.
And this is where the atheisthas more faith than the
Christian, because some atheistsyou cannot, you cannot shake
them from that faith, and someof the biggest atheists you will
find used to be Christians,because some atheists you cannot
.
You cannot shake them from thatthing, and some of the biggest
atheists you will find used tobe Christians Say that again

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Some of the biggest atheists youwill find used to be Christians
.
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