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Now let's get down to business,because I know we're going to be
short on time Because we have alot of scripture to go through
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and a very serious question toask.
And, catherine, this is for youbecause you put your name in
the subject matter, so, in thesubject line, that means I'm
going to address the questiondirectly to you.
Thank you for the question, um,and also, before I even get
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started on that, let's talkabout that.
Uh, if you have any questionsor comments, or uh, shout outs
questions if you put your namein the subject line, I'll
address you directly.
Uh, in the you, directly in theepisode.
And these are for questions thatreally take more than one or
two scriptures to answer, or aquestion that I'm getting
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repeatedly, because I don't wantto copy and paste the email,
because that's really generic.
I don't want to do that.
So if we're getting two, three,four, five questions around the
same topic, so if we're gettingtwo, three, four, five
questions around the same topic,I'll probably pick the one
that's more in depth and then Iwill answer that question.
And if you have any follow upquestions, go ahead and send
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them to walkwithmebiblestudy atGmail.
And since we're going to betalking about scripture, one
thing I will always say is thatwe have a rule on this podcast
Always read a verse or two abovethe scripture or a verse or two
below, preferably the wholechapter, because context is key.
I had a guy who tried to wrestlewith me for two days over
slavery in the Bible and hepulled out everything he could
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find.
He finally got to Exodus,chapter 20, and he thought he
had won.
But he didn't understand thatthere was a reason why certain
things were allowed.
Polygamy was allowed in theBible too, but that was because
of the hardness of your hearts.
So a lot of things were allowedin the law but was restricted
by the law.
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In other words like say, forexample, doing weed this today
it's not the smartest thing todo, but since you're going to do
it, let's figure out a decentway to do it.
You know what I'm saying, so, uh, that's neither here nor there,
but this question and it boilsdown to this.
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I'm not going to read the wholeemail because it was a long one
, but the whole question boilsdown to this is why do you serve
a hateful god?
Why do you serve a god thathates us?
And people generally say thatwhen the subject of LGBTQIA
whatever new letter they'readding this week people
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generally say that when thatsubject is brought up, your God
hates us.
We don't have the right toexist.
What other things, oh?
And then some right person inthe crowd will say well, jesus
was trans.
No, he wasn't.
No, jesus did not wear a dress,and someone literally said that
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to me yesterday.
Well, jesus wore a dress.
No, jesus wore robe.
And he got dressed, which meanshe put on his clothing, which
was robe.
So that was the dressing of thetime.
So this is why context is key,ladies and gentlemen.
But this is a very, also seriousquestion that I don't think is
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addressed enough.
And even though the LGBTQ well,you know, it's too many things,
I'm just going to call it thePurdy movement.
Even though the Purdy movement,you know, tries to own this
argument or own this questionthat God hates them, I'm here to
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tell you God doesn't hate youany more than anybody else.
He's already saved, and if hehad hated anyone he'd already
saved, then it wouldn't make anydifference for him to hate
those he'd already saved.
That's not what this is about.
This is about you, and I'm byyou.
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I'm not talking about younecessarily, catherine, because
I don't know your life, but byyou I mean generally, by you or
me living a life with sin in itand accepting the sin and
codifying the sin and embracingthe sin.
There's one thing to havesomething in your life that
you're struggling with, that youare desperately repenting of
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and trying to get over.
Let's, just for the sake ofargument here, let's talk about
drug use.
Like you said, drug use You'restruggling with an addiction.
You're struggling with heroinaddiction, for instance.
God doesn't hate you becauseyou're addicted to heroin.
God actually died so that youcan get over that.
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Jesus hung on the cross so youcan get over that.
But it's easy for us to assumethat, just because we think
something is wrong, that someonehates it, and this is not
really the case.
It is actually more hateful totell someone that you're doing
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okay when you know for surethey're not, or when the
parameters that you're using forthe word okay says that they're
not.
Let's say, for example, I was adriving instructor and or no
more like a driver, like theperson who gives you the driving
test at the DMV.
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And I'm telling the person,yeah, you're doing great, you're
doing great.
They haven't stopped at anystop signs, there's no turn
signals, they're just switchinglanes.
They're driving 42 miles overthe speed limit.
And I say, yeah, you're doinggood, you're doing good.
But when we get back to the DMV, I give them a big F or a zero
and I say, yeah, come back andsee me in 30 days.
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That's actually not love.
That is not love.
Well, we tell them that we evenjust pass them because we just
don't want to see them anymore.
It's been the sixth or seventhtime that they've been out there
and they get out there and theycause a wreck and they kill
somebody with a family of four.
That's not love.
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Not only have we condemned thatdriver, but we've also
condemned any one of the peoplethat he or she touches.
So it's not love to sit thereand pat them on the back.
It's really love to say, hey,listen, this thing is wrong and
you should probably stop doingit.
And if you can't stop doing it,you feel like you're too far
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into it you might need help.
This is where prayer comes inand repentance comes in.
You need help.
This is not hate.
This is not hate.
And the fact that someone iswilling to tell you that,
knowing the amount of abuse thatyou're about to unleash upon
them, because of all the timesI've been either behind a
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microphone, which has gone onfor years now, or have been
listening to these conversationsyou tell some people that
they're doing the wrong thing.
They just unleash physical andverbal abuse upon you like you
never would think.
But we know where that comesfrom.
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If you're living for God, youknow where that comes from.
And you still cannot lay thatto the person Because it's
something that they did, but weknow where it's coming from.
It's coming from inside them.
It's coming from the influencesinside of them that they don't
even know that they're living in.
So no, catherine, it's not.
We don't serve a God that hatesyou.
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We serve a God that loves youenough to tell you that this is
wrong.
Now here's where the rubbermeets the road on this, because
at the end of the day, when weall die, we all have to be
judged.
So I would rather be judgedrighteously now than judged
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righteously later.
And some of the things you saidin the email was like you don't
believe that God would send usto hell for engaging in love.
Here's the thing In aroundabout way.
God doesn't send us to hell.
We make the choice to go tohell Because God didn't even
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increase, god didn't even makehell for us.
God made hell for the devil andhis angels.
Matter of fact, let's look atMatthew 25 and 31.
Now I am going to read it outof the King James Version I
really like again.
If you've been following me forany length of time, I've
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recently started readingeverything through the New
Living Translation and I lovethe way it's written in the NLT.
So I'm going to read it firstin Matthew 25, 41.
Yeah, 25, 31.
When the Son of man shall comeinto his glory?
Nope, I meant 25, 41.
Yeah, 25, 31.
When the Son of man shall comeinto his glory?
Nope, I meant 25, 41.
All right, matthew, 25 and 41.
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And granted, if you read abovethat it's talking about what
you've done to people and stufflike that.
But this is.
I want you to pay attention tothe last part of this verse.
Then shall he say unto you, tothose on the left hand, depart
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from me.
You cursed into everlastingfire, prepared for the devil and
his angels.
So that tells you right there.
It wasn't about making a hellto put people in.
This was about making a hellfor the devil and his angels.
And you just decided to gothere because you thought it was
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better than going where youshould go, which is heaven.
And even in the New LivingTranslation it says the king
shall turn to those in the leftand say away with you, cursed
ones, into eternal fire,prepared for the devil and his
demons.
Now it's the same thing thathas happened twice here.
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In King James Version, the KJVhas talked about everlasting.
In NLT it talks about eternal.
So what that means and this isgoing to answer a question that
someone else said.
There is no kind of a burn upand you're done.
The fire is eternal, it goes onforever and there's no way for
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our minds to truly wrap aroundwhat that is.
It's no way to really explainthis on the radio.
If you were to take a littletiny drop of water and drop it
onto a granite rock and continuedripping that water onto the
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granite rock until you can dripall the way through that rock to
and I'm not talking about likea little pebble, I mean like the
size of the grand canyon lookat how they talk about it took
so long for the grand canyon tobe carved.
They talk about it took so longfor the Grand Canyon to be
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carved.
That is not even a drop ofwater in eternity.
That is not even just thebeginning of eternity.
That's like a blink of an eyeto eternity.
Eternity is eternity.
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And again, it's not a thingabout God hating you.
It's about the fact that you'vechosen to live this life, even
if it's on a subconscious level.
At one point you made thechoice to live this life, to do
these things that God does notlike and as a person, as being,
as God is concerned, he has thepower to separate himself from
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the things he does not like, andthe Bible talks about that
where it talks about theseparation between God and sin.
He does not like it.
Isaiah 59 too.
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But your iniquities have made aseparation between you and your
God, and your sins have hiddenhis face from you.
That he does not hear.
So I kind of am in awe here.
There's so many differentscriptures.
We're going to talk a lot aboutthe permanence of hell and what
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separates us from hell, but Iwant to say I just want to say
for any of you self-righteousChristians out there, you
churchianity folks, it ain'tjust LGBTQ or the birdie
movement that we're talkingabout.
This is about stealing, this isabout lying.
This is about knowing youshould do the right thing,
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because there's a verse in therethat the Bible that says if you
know you do good and you do not, him, it is sin.
I can see somebody drowning andyou don't jump in and help them
.
That's a sin.
If you see somebody living aself-destructive life, you don't
tell them hey, man, listen, Iknow a better way to be.
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It may hurt you for a moment,but I know a better way to be.
You don't do that, that's it.
It may hurt you for a moment,but I know a better way to be.
If you don't do that, that'ssin.
You're going to be in the samehell as the person that you're
looking down your nose at.
Sorry, sorry, catherine, I kindof got off track there for a
second.
But here's the thing.
We don't really go into detailabout why God separates himself
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from sin and believe it or not,it's kind of hard.
It just tells us that we'veseparated, but it doesn't really
tell us why.
Because God doesn't like evil,god doesn't like sin.
That's the reason why he droveAdam and Eve out of the garden.
We just see that he does it andhe explains hey, because you
have done this thing, I willforsake you, I will move away
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from you.
Romans 9 and 3 says for I wishthat I myself were accursed,
separated from Christ, for thesake of my brethren, my kinsmen.
According to the flesh, he he'ssaying if he was cursed, he
would be separated from God.
Ephesians 2 and 12.
Remember that you were, at thetime, separate from Christ,
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excluded from the commonwealthof Israel, strangers to the
covenants of promise, having nohope and without God in the
world.
So absolutely.
There are things that willseparate us from the love of God
, and we're not talking abouttrial.
We're not talking about highsand depths or poverty.
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We're not talking about that.
You can be the poorest person inthe world and you could be the
richest person in the world.
You could have the I don't know.
Whatever diametric opposite youcan think of is in the physical
sense.
But if you are still living aholy life, you're still living a
life where you are notaccepting of sin.
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If you are doing these, you aregetting away from enduring
repentance and you're trying tolive for God.
God still accepts you.
On the other hand, if you'redoing every sinful thing you can
think of in the book, god stillloves you, but he doesn't love
your sin and because you'veembraced that sin, it's now a
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part of you.
You have to get rid of it.
I have to get rid of it.
I have to get rid of it.
I don't want you to think I'mcoming down on you and I don't
know your situation, but I haveto get rid of the things that I
know I shouldn't do, and if Idon't, god's going to let me
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burn in the same hell as him.
So God is not about hatingpeople.
God hates the sin that we do.
Because he hates that?
Because by us doing the sinthat we do, we are actually
making a choice.
We're choosing to serve thedevil, satan, lucifer, whatever
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you want to call him.
I'm not one of those guys whereyou can't call him Lucifer
because he's no longer Lucifer.
You say, yeah, I know what theBible says, but for the sake of
simplicity, whatever that is theworld, your flesh, the devil,
whatever, if you're not servingGod in your actions and I'm not.
And let me just stop right hereand say I'm not saying, you
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know, churching all the time andwalking around holier than thou
, because that's a problem too.
But we have to stop thinkingthat just because someone tells
us that, hey, we should not bedoing a thing, it doesn't mean
that we hate them.
It doesn't mean that God hatesthem.
And it doesn't mean that, asbad as I am at the moment, if I
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repented and turned around, itdoesn't mean that God was like
well, you were a sinner backthen, so I can't message you.
That's not it.
That's not it at all.
That's not it.
That's not it at all.
That's not it.
If I say God, I need help.
I gotta get rid of this thingbecause I realize now that you
don't like me.
It's a sin.
It's a sin in your Bible thatyou've given us.
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I've heard it preached and justbecause wait, hold on, I know I
know will you say anything,because it's preached doesn't
mean it's biblical.
I get it, I get it.
I get it, but I've heard itpreached, I've heard it spoken
about, I've heard it confirmed,I've heard it dealt with and you
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know what the Holy Ghost in meis telling me that, hey, this
might be something I need to payattention to and you know, it's
something that I really have topray and ask to help me get
over.
And these things happen.
And that doesn't mean that Godhates me.
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God just hates the sin that'sattached to me.
And there's no way of removingthat sin unless I make the
choice to ask him to remove it.
And how does that work?
Acts 2.38.
Repent, in other words, turnaway from Ask for forgiveness,
just give it up, just stop doingit.
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It's going to suck for a littlewhile.
It's going to suck Especiallylittle while it's going to suck,
especially if you go on coldtrack.
It's going to suck, and I'mtrying to be as forthcoming as I
can, because there is nobiblical formula for making it
suck less, except by prayer, andeventually it gets cleaned out
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of your system, repent and bebaptized in Jesus Christ, the
name of Jesus Christ, and havein the Holy Ghost.
That is the formula.
That is the only formula thatworks.
Accepting the Lord as yourpersonal Savior ain't gonna work
and I'm sorry, I'm sorry tocome at you, churchianity, folks
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again, believe in the LordJesus Christ.
It's just the beginning.
You still have to repent,because you have to believe when
you're repenting too.
So, yeah, you still got to dothat.
And you have to be baptized inthe name of Jesus Christ,
because by being baptized in thename of Jesus Christ, you're
being baptized in his symbolicblood, which actually is the
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symbolic blood of the sacrifice,and that's a four-episode Bible
study right there.
We'll talk about that.
But no, it's not that the Godthat we serve is hateful.
And yeah, yeah, I know he'sdone some things where he's
demonstrated how much hedislikes sin.
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We talk about Sodom and Gomorrahall the time.
You know why?
Because those people wereunrepentant.
We talk about the great flood.
You know why those people wereunrepentant.
We talk about the variousgenocides that God told Israel
to do.
You know why?
Because those people wereunrepentant, and God gives us
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faith they were.
Whoever was unrepentant didn'tjust decide I'm going to steal a
candy bar today and I'm notgoing to repent of it by this
afternoon, and then, you know,here comes the judgment.
That's not how that works.
God always gives people a spaceto repent.
You know what, matter of fact,let me just let me pull that up
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for you.
I can read, I can tell you, butI can show it to you.
But I can show it to you.
Alright, here we go.
Revelation.
Revelation 2 and 21.
I gave her time to repent.
She does not want to turn awayfrom her immorality.
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Okay, ezekiel 33 and 9.
If you want her to repent andthey don't repent, they will die
in their sins, but you havesaved yourself.
This is.
I tell people about this, um,because in in the original, in
ezekiel, they talk about how, uh, you're, we're supposed to warn
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people.
Matter of fact, let's go backto that.
33 and 8, I believe it is Nowson of seven.
33 and seven.
This is going to be our newliving translation Now, son of
man.
I'm making you watchmen for thepeople of Israel.
Therefore, listen to what I sayand warn them for me Now, by
son of man.
He's talking about people.
He's not talking about Jesus.
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He's talking about people.
I'm making you a watchman forthe people of Israel.
Now that watchman in today'sday are the pastors who are
preaching right and living right.
I know I know Serious concept.
Very few are, and I know I'mnot trying to discredit that.
And I recognize the argumentthat you made in the email.
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If I announce that some wickedpeople are sure to die and you
fail to tell them to changetheir ways, then they will die
in their sins and I will holdyou responsible for their deaths
.
But if you warn them to repentand they don't repent, they will
die in their sins.
But you have saved yourself.
He's telling you, he's givingpeople warning.
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He's giving you warning rightnow.
If God was such a hateful God,then he would just come by and
just strike you down the wayit's being portrayed by people
who don't know any better.
He would just come by a randomlightning bolt and just start
popping people like mosquitoeson a mosquito lamp.
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So please understand, it's notabout that.
I can go on and on about howsin separates us from God.
But then, if you go into it,there's only two places to go.
God didn't make a purgatorywhere you can somehow cleanse
your sin.
I can't remember where I firstran into that doctrine when you
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can go to some place.
Well, you're not quite badenough for hell, but you're not
quite good enough for heaven.
So you go to this kind of likespiritual boiling place or
cooking place or washing machineplace and just get the sins
washed off of you and then youcan go to heaven.
The Bible does not say that atall.
The Bible only talks about twoplaces heaven and hell.
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And both are eternal.
Why?
Because our souls are eternal.
There's no way for a soul todie.
God made souls eternal.
God made angels eternal and,like it or not, the devil and
his angels, the devil and hisdemons, are actually angels, so
they are also immortal.
But you will be burning withthe same devil that lied to Eve,
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I know, I know, I know.
But you will be burning withthe same devil that lied to Eve.
I know, I know, I know.
It's a hard thing to kind ofwrap your head around and I'm
not trying to say again AgainGod does not hate you, he hates
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this thing that you're doing.
He hates this thing that you'redoing.
He hates this thing that I'mdoing.
He hates this thing thatwhoever is doing a sin, if we
are doing a sin, god hates thesin.
And if we decide to choose thatsin over God, then that's why
we end up going to hell, becausewe have taken that.
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Now, I know, and it wasn't loston me, it was a little dig you
gave me at the end about howeverybody's a sinner.
Not exactly, because and thisis very difficult to sort of
explain as far as and I knowwe're running out of time, but
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this is sort of hard to explain,maybe we'll do a part two in
this because, as a person who isliving for God, we are.
Our struggle is living above sin.
That's not to say that we areliving without sin.
If that makes sense, because hethat sins is of the devil,
right Then if we're of the devil, we're going to hell.
But if we have an advocate thatwe can live above sin and we
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can then it doesn't put us injeopardy of the other scripture
that you tried to quote about.
If he that says he's withoutsin is in danger of hellfire,
because that is to say that thatmeans we are not.
We are without sinful desire.
So and we're going to talkabout that we're out of time.
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But listen, catherine, pleaseunderstand.
I'm not coming at youpersonally.
Yeah, I don't know how manytimes I've said it during this
episode.
I am not coming after youpersonally, and the only reason
why we've been airing this isbecause this is a common theme.
For the last month or so, I'vebeen getting a lot of questions
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about this.
I hope it means that somebodyis looking for a way out.
You know, we're here.
God is here.
He's reaching out to you.
So no, he doesn.
We're here, god is here, he's.
He's reaching out to you, um.
So no, he doesn't hate you.
He loves you.
He may send some, some donkeylike me, around to tell you
about it, but that just meansthat's the thing.
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He's reaching out to you.
He's trying to save you.
I can't save you and I can'tcondemn you.
Only thing I can tell you isthat this is the right road to
heaven and that's the right roadto hell.
That's the only thing I can do.
I can't judge you.
Here's another thing that wetalked about.
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It was a big revelation to me.
I don't know how.
But it was a big revelation tome when Jesus was talking about
you know, he's without sin castthe first stone.
He was talking about anexecution of a judgment.
He wasn't talking about thejudgment.
The judgment was already made.
The woman was an adulterer.
She was an adulterer.
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They caught her in the very act.
This is done and settled.
What do you think we should dowith her?
They're asking for theexecution, not the judgment.
They're asking for theexecution and they were trying
to do that to trick him upbecause of some things he had
said before and so and we'regoing to go through all that,
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but again, we are out of time.
But when he said he's withoutsin, cast the first stone.
He was saying he was withoutsin.
Be the one to execute thejudgment.
We can tell you all day that youare doing a marvelous thing.
We can tell you all day thatyou are doing a terrible thing,
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and we can judge that.
The Bible talks about judgingthat Us, for us to judge that.
The Bible talks about judgingthat Us, for you know, for us to
judge that.
However, we cannot and I repeat, we cannot send you to hell.
I can't look at you and say Ihereby send you to an eternity
in hell.
All I can say is hey, man, ifyou don't fix your life, that's
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where you're going, becausethat's what the Bible says.
I don't have any authority,because if I had authority, I
would be able to go into helland pull people out.
So no, there is no, we're notserving a hateful God.
I get it.
We'll talk more, but right nowI got to sign off because we are
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over time.
Love you.
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Please follow up.
Please follow up.
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Anybody that you I don't care.
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They may reject it if you'rebringing it from God.
So I get it, but just tell themGod loves them.
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See you all on the next one.
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So good to have each and everyone of you here, love each and
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You're the reason actually whywe do this podcast.
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thank you, thank you for that.
Now let's get down to business,because I know we're going to be
short on time Because we have alot of scripture to go through
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and a very serious question toask.
And, catherine, this is for youbecause you put your name in
the subject matter, so, in thesubject line, that means I'm
going to address the questiondirectly to you.
Thank you for the question, um,and also, before I even get
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started on that, let's talkabout that.
Uh, if you have any questionsor comments, or uh, shout outs
questions if you put your namein the subject line, I'll
address you directly.
Uh, in the you, directly in theepisode.
And these are for questions thatreally take more than one or
two scriptures to answer, or aquestion that I'm getting
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repeatedly, because I don't wantto copy and paste the email,
because that's really generic.
I don't want to do that.
So if we're getting two, three,four, five questions around the
same topic, so if we're gettingtwo, three, four, five
questions around the same topic,I'll probably pick the one
that's more in depth and then Iwill answer that question.
And if you have any follow upquestions, go ahead and send
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them to walkwithmebiblestudy atGmail.
And since we're going to betalking about scripture, one
thing I will always say is thatwe have a rule on this podcast
Always read a verse or two abovethe scripture or a verse or two
below, preferably the wholechapter, because context is key.
I had a guy who tried to wrestlewith me for two days over
slavery in the Bible and hepulled out everything he could
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find.
He finally got to Exodus,chapter 20, and he thought he
had won.
But he didn't understand thatthere was a reason why certain
things were allowed.
Polygamy was allowed in theBible too, but that was because
of the hardness of your hearts.
So a lot of things were allowedin the law but was restricted
by the law.
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In other words like say, forexample, doing weed this today
it's not the smartest thing todo, but since you're going to do
it, let's figure out a decentway to do it.
You know what I'm saying, so, uh, that's neither here nor there,
but this question and it boilsdown to this.
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I'm not going to read the wholeemail because it was a long one
, but the whole question boilsdown to this is why do you serve
a hateful god?
Why do you serve a god thathates us?
And people generally say thatwhen the subject of LGBTQIA
whatever new letter they'readding this week people
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generally say that when thatsubject is brought up, your God
hates us.
We don't have the right toexist.
What other things, oh?
And then some right person inthe crowd will say well, jesus
was trans.
No, he wasn't.
No, jesus did not wear a dress,and someone literally said that
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to me yesterday.
Well, jesus wore a dress.
No, jesus wore robe.
And he got dressed, which meanshe put on his clothing, which
was robe.
So that was the dressing of thetime.
So this is why context is key,ladies and gentlemen.
But this is a very, also seriousquestion that I don't think is
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addressed enough.
And even though the LGBTQ well,you know, it's too many things,
I'm just going to call it thePurdy movement.
Even though the Purdy movement,you know, tries to own this
argument or own this questionthat God hates them, I'm here to
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tell you God doesn't hate youany more than anybody else.
He's already saved, and if hehad hated anyone he'd already
saved, then it wouldn't make anydifference for him to hate
those he'd already saved.
That's not what this is about.
This is about you, and I'm byyou.
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I'm not talking about younecessarily, catherine, because
I don't know your life, but byyou I mean generally, by you or
me living a life with sin in itand accepting the sin and
codifying the sin and embracingthe sin.
There's one thing to havesomething in your life that
you're struggling with, that youare desperately repenting of
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and trying to get over.
Let's, just for the sake ofargument here, let's talk about
drug use.
Like you said, drug use You'restruggling with an addiction.
You're struggling with heroinaddiction, for instance.
God doesn't hate you becauseyou're addicted to heroin.
God actually died so that youcan get over that.
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Jesus hung on the cross so youcan get over that.
But it's easy for us to assumethat, just because we think
something is wrong, that someonehates it, and this is not
really the case.
It is actually more hateful totell someone that you're doing
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okay when you know for surethey're not, or when the
parameters that you're using forthe word okay says that they're
not.
Let's say, for example, I was adriving instructor and or no
more like a driver, like theperson who gives you the driving
test at the DMV.
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And I'm telling the person,yeah, you're doing great, you're
doing great.
They haven't stopped at anystop signs, there's no turn
signals, they're just switchinglanes.
They're driving 42 miles overthe speed limit.
And I say, yeah, you're doinggood, you're doing good.
But when we get back to the DMV, I give them a big F or a zero
and I say, yeah, come back andsee me in 30 days.
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That's actually not love.
That is not love.
Well, we tell them that we evenjust pass them because we just
don't want to see them anymore.
It's been the sixth or seventhtime that they've been out there
and they get out there and theycause a wreck and they kill
somebody with a family of four.
That's not love.
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Not only have we condemned thatdriver, but we've also
condemned any one of the peoplethat he or she touches.
So it's not love to sit thereand pat them on the back.
It's really love to say, hey,listen, this thing is wrong and
you should probably stop doingit.
And if you can't stop doing it,you feel like you're too far
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into it you might need help.
This is where prayer comes inand repentance comes in.
You need help.
This is not hate.
This is not hate.
And the fact that someone iswilling to tell you that,
knowing the amount of abuse thatyou're about to unleash upon
them, because of all the timesI've been either behind a
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microphone, which has gone onfor years now, or have been
listening to these conversationsyou tell some people that
they're doing the wrong thing.
They just unleash physical andverbal abuse upon you like you
never would think.
But we know where that comesfrom.
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If you're living for God, youknow where that comes from.
And you still cannot lay thatto the person Because it's
something that they did, but weknow where it's coming from.
It's coming from inside them.
It's coming from the influencesinside of them that they don't
even know that they're living in.
So no, catherine, it's not.
We don't serve a God that hatesyou.
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We serve a God that loves youenough to tell you that this is
wrong.
Now here's where the rubbermeets the road on this, because
at the end of the day, when weall die, we all have to be
judged.
So I would rather be judgedrighteously now than judged
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righteously later.
And some of the things you saidin the email was like you don't
believe that God would send usto hell for engaging in love.
Here's the thing In aroundabout way.
God doesn't send us to hell.
We make the choice to go tohell Because God didn't even
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increase, god didn't even makehell for us.
God made hell for the devil andhis angels.
Matter of fact, let's look atMatthew 25 and 31.
Now I am going to read it outof the King James Version I
really like again.
If you've been following me forany length of time, I've
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recently started readingeverything through the New
Living Translation and I lovethe way it's written in the NLT.
So I'm going to read it firstin Matthew 25, 41.
Yeah, 25, 31.
When the Son of man shall comeinto his glory?
Nope, I meant 25, 41.
Yeah, 25, 31.
When the Son of man shall comeinto his glory?
Nope, I meant 25, 41.
All right, matthew, 25 and 41.
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And granted, if you read abovethat it's talking about what
you've done to people and stufflike that.
But this is.
I want you to pay attention tothe last part of this verse.
Then shall he say unto you, tothose on the left hand, depart
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from me.
You cursed into everlastingfire, prepared for the devil and
his angels.
So that tells you right there.
It wasn't about making a hellto put people in.
This was about making a hellfor the devil and his angels.
And you just decided to gothere because you thought it was
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better than going where youshould go, which is heaven.
And even in the New LivingTranslation it says the king
shall turn to those in the leftand say away with you, cursed
ones, into eternal fire,prepared for the devil and his
demons.
Now it's the same thing thathas happened twice here.
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In King James Version, the KJVhas talked about everlasting.
In NLT it talks about eternal.
So what that means and this isgoing to answer a question that
someone else said.
There is no kind of a burn upand you're done.
The fire is eternal, it goes onforever and there's no way for
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our minds to truly wrap aroundwhat that is.
It's no way to really explainthis on the radio.
If you were to take a littletiny drop of water and drop it
onto a granite rock and continuedripping that water onto the
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granite rock until you can dripall the way through that rock to
and I'm not talking about likea little pebble, I mean like the
size of the grand canyon lookat how they talk about it took
so long for the grand canyon tobe carved.
They talk about it took so longfor the Grand Canyon to be
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carved.
That is not even a drop ofwater in eternity.
That is not even just thebeginning of eternity.
That's like a blink of an eyeto eternity.
Eternity is eternity.
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And again, it's not a thingabout God hating you.
It's about the fact that you'vechosen to live this life, even
if it's on a subconscious level.
At one point you made thechoice to live this life, to do
these things that God does notlike and as a person, as being,
as God is concerned, he has thepower to separate himself from
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the things he does not like, andthe Bible talks about that
where it talks about theseparation between God and sin.
He does not like it.
Isaiah 59 too.
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But your iniquities have made aseparation between you and your
God, and your sins have hiddenhis face from you.
That he does not hear.
So I kind of am in awe here.
There's so many differentscriptures.
We're going to talk a lot aboutthe permanence of hell and what
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separates us from hell, but Iwant to say I just want to say
for any of you self-righteousChristians out there, you
churchianity folks, it ain'tjust LGBTQ or the birdie
movement that we're talkingabout.
This is about stealing, this isabout lying.
This is about knowing youshould do the right thing,
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because there's a verse in therethat the Bible that says if you
know you do good and you do not, him, it is sin.
I can see somebody drowning andyou don't jump in and help them
.
That's a sin.
If you see somebody living aself-destructive life, you don't
tell them hey, man, listen, Iknow a better way to be.
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It may hurt you for a moment,but I know a better way to be.
You don't do that, that's it.
It may hurt you for a moment,but I know a better way to be.
If you don't do that, that'ssin.
You're going to be in the samehell as the person that you're
looking down your nose at.
Sorry, sorry, catherine, I kindof got off track there for a
second.
But here's the thing.
We don't really go into detailabout why God separates himself
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from sin and believe it or not,it's kind of hard.
It just tells us that we'veseparated, but it doesn't really
tell us why.
Because God doesn't like evil,god doesn't like sin.
That's the reason why he droveAdam and Eve out of the garden.
We just see that he does it andhe explains hey, because you
have done this thing, I willforsake you, I will move away
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from you.
Romans 9 and 3 says for I wishthat I myself were accursed,
separated from Christ, for thesake of my brethren, my kinsmen.
According to the flesh, he he'ssaying if he was cursed, he
would be separated from God.
Ephesians 2 and 12.
Remember that you were, at thetime, separate from Christ,
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excluded from the commonwealthof Israel, strangers to the
covenants of promise, having nohope and without God in the
world.
So absolutely.
There are things that willseparate us from the love of God
, and we're not talking abouttrial.
We're not talking about highsand depths or poverty.
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We're not talking about that.
You can be the poorest person inthe world and you could be the
richest person in the world.
You could have the I don't know.
Whatever diametric opposite youcan think of is in the physical
sense.
But if you are still living aholy life, you're still living a
life where you are notaccepting of sin.
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If you are doing these, you aregetting away from enduring
repentance and you're trying tolive for God.
God still accepts you.
On the other hand, if you'redoing every sinful thing you can
think of in the book, god stillloves you, but he doesn't love
your sin and because you'veembraced that sin, it's now a
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part of you.
You have to get rid of it.
I have to get rid of it.
I have to get rid of it.
I don't want you to think I'mcoming down on you and I don't
know your situation, but I haveto get rid of the things that I
know I shouldn't do, and if Idon't, god's going to let me
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burn in the same hell as him.
So God is not about hatingpeople.
God hates the sin that we do.
Because he hates that?
Because by us doing the sinthat we do, we are actually
making a choice.
We're choosing to serve thedevil, satan, lucifer, whatever
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you want to call him.
I'm not one of those guys whereyou can't call him Lucifer
because he's no longer Lucifer.
You say, yeah, I know what theBible says, but for the sake of
simplicity, whatever that is theworld, your flesh, the devil,
whatever, if you're not servingGod in your actions and I'm not.
And let me just stop right hereand say I'm not saying, you
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know, churching all the time andwalking around holier than thou
, because that's a problem too.
But we have to stop thinkingthat just because someone tells
us that, hey, we should not bedoing a thing, it doesn't mean
that we hate them.
It doesn't mean that God hatesthem.
And it doesn't mean that, asbad as I am at the moment, if I
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repented and turned around, itdoesn't mean that God was like
well, you were a sinner backthen, so I can't message you.
That's not it.
That's not it at all.
That's not it.
That's not it at all.
That's not it.
If I say God, I need help.
I gotta get rid of this thingbecause I realize now that you
don't like me.
It's a sin.
It's a sin in your Bible thatyou've given us.
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I've heard it preached and justbecause wait, hold on, I know I
know will you say anything,because it's preached doesn't
mean it's biblical.
I get it, I get it.
I get it, but I've heard itpreached, I've heard it spoken
about, I've heard it confirmed,I've heard it dealt with and you
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know what the Holy Ghost in meis telling me that, hey, this
might be something I need to payattention to and you know, it's
something that I really have topray and ask to help me get
over.
And these things happen.
And that doesn't mean that Godhates me.
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God just hates the sin that'sattached to me.
And there's no way of removingthat sin unless I make the
choice to ask him to remove it.
And how does that work?
Acts 2.38.
Repent, in other words, turnaway from Ask for forgiveness,
just give it up, just stop doingit.
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It's going to suck for a littlewhile.
It's going to suck Especiallylittle while it's going to suck,
especially if you go on coldtrack.
It's going to suck, and I'mtrying to be as forthcoming as I
can, because there is nobiblical formula for making it
suck less, except by prayer, andeventually it gets cleaned out
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of your system, repent and bebaptized in Jesus Christ, the
name of Jesus Christ, and havein the Holy Ghost.
That is the formula.
That is the only formula thatworks.
Accepting the Lord as yourpersonal Savior ain't gonna work
and I'm sorry, I'm sorry tocome at you, churchianity, folks
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again, believe in the LordJesus Christ.
It's just the beginning.
You still have to repent,because you have to believe when
you're repenting too.
So, yeah, you still got to dothat.
And you have to be baptized inthe name of Jesus Christ,
because by being baptized in thename of Jesus Christ, you're
being baptized in his symbolicblood, which actually is the
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symbolic blood of the sacrifice,and that's a four-episode Bible
study right there.
We'll talk about that.
But no, it's not that the Godthat we serve is hateful.
And yeah, yeah, I know he'sdone some things where he's
demonstrated how much hedislikes sin.
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We talk about Sodom and Gomorrahall the time.
You know why?
Because those people wereunrepentant.
We talk about the great flood.
You know why those people wereunrepentant.
We talk about the variousgenocides that God told Israel
to do.
You know why?
Because those people wereunrepentant, and God gives us
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faith they were.
Whoever was unrepentant didn'tjust decide I'm going to steal a
candy bar today and I'm notgoing to repent of it by this
afternoon, and then, you know,here comes the judgment.
That's not how that works.
God always gives people a spaceto repent.
You know what, matter of fact,let me just let me pull that up
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for you.
I can read, I can tell you, butI can show it to you.
But I can show it to you.
Alright, here we go.
Revelation.
Revelation 2 and 21.
I gave her time to repent.
She does not want to turn awayfrom her immorality.
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Okay, ezekiel 33 and 9.
If you want her to repent andthey don't repent, they will die
in their sins, but you havesaved yourself.
This is.
I tell people about this, um,because in in the original, in
ezekiel, they talk about how, uh, you're, we're supposed to warn
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people.
Matter of fact, let's go backto that.
33 and 8, I believe it is Nowson of seven.
33 and seven.
This is going to be our newliving translation Now, son of
man.
I'm making you watchmen for thepeople of Israel.
Therefore, listen to what I sayand warn them for me Now, by
son of man.
He's talking about people.
He's not talking about Jesus.
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He's talking about people.
I'm making you a watchman forthe people of Israel.
Now that watchman in today'sday are the pastors who are
preaching right and living right.
I know I know Serious concept.
Very few are, and I know I'mnot trying to discredit that.
And I recognize the argumentthat you made in the email.
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If I announce that some wickedpeople are sure to die and you
fail to tell them to changetheir ways, then they will die
in their sins and I will holdyou responsible for their deaths
.
But if you warn them to repentand they don't repent, they will
die in their sins.
But you have saved yourself.
He's telling you, he's givingpeople warning.
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He's giving you warning rightnow.
If God was such a hateful God,then he would just come by and
just strike you down the wayit's being portrayed by people
who don't know any better.
He would just come by a randomlightning bolt and just start
popping people like mosquitoeson a mosquito lamp.
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So please understand, it's notabout that.
I can go on and on about howsin separates us from God.
But then, if you go into it,there's only two places to go.
God didn't make a purgatorywhere you can somehow cleanse
your sin.
I can't remember where I firstran into that doctrine when you
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can go to some place.
Well, you're not quite badenough for hell, but you're not
quite good enough for heaven.
So you go to this kind of likespiritual boiling place or
cooking place or washing machineplace and just get the sins
washed off of you and then youcan go to heaven.
The Bible does not say that atall.
The Bible only talks about twoplaces heaven and hell.
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And both are eternal.
Why?
Because our souls are eternal.
There's no way for a soul todie.
God made souls eternal.
God made angels eternal and,like it or not, the devil and
his angels, the devil and hisdemons, are actually angels, so
they are also immortal.
But you will be burning withthe same devil that lied to Eve,
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I know, I know, I know.
But you will be burning withthe same devil that lied to Eve.
I know, I know, I know.
It's a hard thing to kind ofwrap your head around and I'm
not trying to say again AgainGod does not hate you, he hates
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this thing that you're doing.
He hates this thing that you'redoing.
He hates this thing that I'mdoing.
He hates this thing thatwhoever is doing a sin, if we
are doing a sin, god hates thesin.
And if we decide to choose thatsin over God, then that's why
we end up going to hell, becausewe have taken that.
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Now, I know, and it wasn't loston me, it was a little dig you
gave me at the end about howeverybody's a sinner.
Not exactly, because and thisis very difficult to sort of
explain as far as and I knowwe're running out of time, but
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this is sort of hard to explain,maybe we'll do a part two in
this because, as a person who isliving for God, we are.
Our struggle is living above sin.
That's not to say that we areliving without sin.
If that makes sense, because hethat sins is of the devil,
right Then if we're of the devil, we're going to hell.
But if we have an advocate thatwe can live above sin and we
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can then it doesn't put us injeopardy of the other scripture
that you tried to quote about.
If he that says he's withoutsin is in danger of hellfire,
because that is to say that thatmeans we are not.
We are without sinful desire.
So and we're going to talkabout that we're out of time.
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But listen, catherine, pleaseunderstand.
I'm not coming at youpersonally.
Yeah, I don't know how manytimes I've said it during this
episode.
I am not coming after youpersonally, and the only reason
why we've been airing this isbecause this is a common theme.
For the last month or so, I'vebeen getting a lot of questions
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about this.
I hope it means that somebodyis looking for a way out.
You know, we're here.
God is here.
He's reaching out to you.
So no, he doesn.
We're here, god is here, he's.
He's reaching out to you, um.
So no, he doesn't hate you.
He loves you.
He may send some, some donkeylike me, around to tell you
about it, but that just meansthat's the thing.
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He's reaching out to you.
He's trying to save you.
I can't save you and I can'tcondemn you.
Only thing I can tell you isthat this is the right road to
heaven and that's the right roadto hell.
That's the only thing I can do.
I can't judge you.
Here's another thing that wetalked about.
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It was a big revelation to me.
I don't know how.
But it was a big revelation tome when Jesus was talking about
you know, he's without sin castthe first stone.
He was talking about anexecution of a judgment.
He wasn't talking about thejudgment.
The judgment was already made.
The woman was an adulterer.
She was an adulterer.
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They caught her in the very act.
This is done and settled.
What do you think we should dowith her?
They're asking for theexecution, not the judgment.
They're asking for theexecution and they were trying
to do that to trick him upbecause of some things he had
said before and so and we'regoing to go through all that,
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but again, we are out of time.
But when he said he's withoutsin, cast the first stone.
He was saying he was withoutsin.
Be the one to execute thejudgment.
We can tell you all day that youare doing a marvelous thing.
We can tell you all day thatyou are doing a terrible thing,
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and we can judge that.
The Bible talks about judgingthat Us, for us to judge that.
The Bible talks about judgingthat Us, for you know, for us to
judge that.
However, we cannot and I repeat, we cannot send you to hell.
I can't look at you and say Ihereby send you to an eternity
in hell.
All I can say is hey, man, ifyou don't fix your life, that's
(31:05):
where you're going, becausethat's what the Bible says.
I don't have any authority,because if I had authority, I
would be able to go into helland pull people out.
So no, there is no, we're notserving a hateful God.
I get it.
We'll talk more, but right nowI got to sign off because we are
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over time.
Love you.
Thank you very much, catherine,for the question.
Please follow up.
Please follow up.
I love you.
This podcast is for you.
Anybody that you I don't care.
Come after me if you want.
I'm just saying I love you all.
Thank you all for liking andsharing.
(31:47):
Thank you all for sending mecomments and stuff like that.
Remember, if you have questions, if you want me to address you
directly, put your name in thesubject line.
Love you all.
Thank you all.
You all have a great day and ifyou are listening to this
podcast, tell somebody else thatGod loves them.
It's probably the only timeyou'll hear it.
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So just tell that person thatGod loves them or somebody loves
them.
They may reject it if you'rebringing it from God.
So I get it, but just tell themGod loves them.
Anyway, all right, love you all.
Thank you all.
See you all on the next one.
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