January 17, 2025 • 28 mins
Do women belong in the pulpit, or is this a role reserved for men? Join us as we tackle this provocative question and explore the complex subject of women pastors in Christianity. This episode was inspired by a spirited social media debate, prompting us to examine biblical perspectives on gender roles within church leadership. Our commitment is to God's word, even when it goes against societal norms. We encourage listeners to reflect on their personal beliefs and responsibilities as believers, all while aligning choices with faith rather than external pressures.
The conversation delves into the qualifications for church leadership, as outlined in scriptures such as 1 Timothy and Titus. We explore the writings of Paul and other biblical texts, which have traditionally favored male leadership in spiritual roles. Galatians 3:28 is examined to clarify its focus on equality in salvation, rather than roles within the church, underscoring the need to consider context to avoid misconceptions. By drawing on Old Testament examples, we discuss the characteristics expected of church leaders, highlighting both the importance of these roles and the rationale behind them.
Finally, we broaden the discussion to consider the traditional roles and responsibilities of men and women as portrayed in the Bible. Reflecting on the story of Adam and Eve, we stress the significance of men as protectors and providers, while recognizing the indispensable role of women as supporters in maintaining balance and order. Through engaging analogies and thought-provoking insights, we invite listeners to consider the divine instructions provided in scripture and the consequences of straying from these roles. We welcome thoughts and questions from our community, eager to continue this journey of faith and understanding together.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody and welcome to today's episode of
Walk With Me.
I am your host, jj.
It's so good to have each andevery one of you here.
I love the fact that you guyslisten to this podcast every
week.
I'm really humbled andappreciate that.
I'm really humbled and Iappreciate all the emails that I
get and the questions.
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We're going to be dealing withone today.
It actually spawned from adebate I was having with someone
on social media.
You know how those debates get.
But if you have any questionsbiblical questions I don't
really want to do politicalquestions so if it's not
directly biblical now you canask a question.
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Let me finish one thought first, if you do have a question, go
ahead and email me atwalkwithmebiblestudy at gmailcom
.
Walkwithmebiblestudy atgmailcom.
Now, what I was going to saybefore is don't ask me who I'm
voting for.
Like overtly political things.
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I'm not going.
Overtly political things.
I'm not going to answer.
I will thank you for the email,but I'm not going to give you
any answers for that, becausethat's the choice that you have
to make between you and God.
And why do I say that?
I say that because what yousupport is what you're
responsible for.
So you know Paul talks aboutdon't wish people God's speed,
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because if you do, don't supportthem.
If you do, you are partakers intheir sin.
And that's the way I do mypolitics, that's the way I live
my life, because I do not wantto be partaking of anyone's sin.
I got my own problems.
I got my own sins that I fight.
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I got my own repentance that Ihave to do.
I'm not going to be doing yourrepentance.
That being said, I'm going to bedealing with a kind of a
question that is sort ofpolitical, but it's political,
within what we call Christianity, but I will call it
churchianity, and it's a prettytouchy subject and it's amazing
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how people will pull scripturesout of different places to try
to justify their beliefs and Isay crazy, but it's really
amazing.
It's really amazing and I doappreciate.
I so appreciate the fact thatyou guys are asking me about
this, because you can askanybody.
You can ask a pastor, you canask anyone of your local
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preachers, but you're asking meand I really do appreciate it
and I even understand thatsometimes local preachers or
local pastors don't want tooffend you or don't want to
offend anyone.
They kind of hem and haw aboutit.
I have no such compunction.
While I'm here for you, I'mhere really for God and I have
to just go by what the Biblesays and I get that.
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You may not get a direct answerif you ask someone directly.
So the question is well, andthe question really became about
women pastorship, femalepastorship and I.
It's touching because generallyyou don't have a lot of men
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that ask you this question.
You have a lot of females thatask you this question and women
that ask you this question, andthey ask you this question not
necessarily in a position ofcuriosity, but in what I've
learned over the last two weeks,in a position of a challenge.
So, that being said, some of thethings I may say today may come
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off as a little harsh, but I'mtelling you, I'm only giving you
what the Word of God said.
Okay, I love each and every oneof you.
I do not dislike any of you.
I love each and every one ofyou.
And listen to this podcast.
I love you.
If you don't listen to thispodcast, if this is the last one
you listen to, I still love you.
Okay, before we get into that, Igotta do my shout out to my
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So, that being said, let's getinto today's subject now.
Again, it will offend somepeople, um, and if it, if it
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offends you, then you have toquestion why you are offended,
and this is the way I am anyway.
Like, even if things that thatare sinful, they don't offend me
because I'm not doing them.
But I ask myself, why am Ioffended?
Because it's against the wordof God, or is it something I
just don't like?
So, that being said, let's getinto it.
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So now, walk with me on this.
You don't, we don't get to makeup the rules as we see fit, and
how it really, how it reallycame to me and how it really
came to me was we were talkingabout something and it was
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really kind of off the way wewere talking about it, we
suddenly shifted over into womenpastors.
I do not, jj speaking, jjspeaking do not have an issue
with women preachers and what Iwill say that the Bible seems to
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be very against womenpastorships, and this is by the
writings of Paul, this is by theexamples we have in the Old
Testament of who the leaderswere, who the prophets were and
how.
It seems to follow one thingalong the Bible that God created
Adam and then created Eve fromAdam and then told Eve that you
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will be subject to your husband.
Now, it's kind of weird ifyou're subject to your husband
in the natural but not in thespiritual.
It just doesn't make any sense.
So a lot of people will tell mewell, what about Esther and
what about Deborah the judge?
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Well, neither one of thesepeople, even though they were
mentioned in the Bible, or Ruth,even though they were mentioned
in the Bible, because they hada very pivotal role in the
coming of the kingdom of God.
They were not actually leaders.
They were not leaders.
Yet Deborah was a judge.
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She was a judge among many andwhat she did was very important.
And so that's not to say womenare not important in the church,
women are not important in thehouse of god and working in the
kingdom of god.
Please don't get that twisted.
Women are not Not shareholdersor placeholders.
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They're not.
They are a very important role.
However, the Bible does notallow it, not even on a
Metaphorical sense or in aliteral sense.
It does not say a woman shouldbe a pastor.
And if you look, if you reallylook around and this is really
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going to make a lot of peopleangry If you really look around
to places that have womenpastors or women co-pastors, or
the woman's the pastor and thehusband's the co-pastor, you
will see a lot of confusiongoing on in that church.
You'll see a lot of confusiongoing on in that congregation, a
lot of things that areanti-biblical going on in that
church.
You'll see a lot of confusiongoing on in that congregation, a
lot of things that areanti-biblical going on in that
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congregation.
Now, let me stop right thereand let you know that I'm not
saying that women buildings ororganizations without women
pastors are somehow great andglorious.
I'm not saying that at all.
Not saying that at all.
Two things can be true at thesame time.
You can have a man leading hisflock astray, just like you can
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have a woman leading a flockastray.
That's not the issue.
What I'm telling you is thatunless everything is done the
way the Bible has said it to bedone, you're being led astray.
So one of the big scripturesthat they somebody tried to use
on me was Galatians 3 28.
Now this is still Paul writingto the church, the Galatian
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church, where he says 3 28.
It says there neither do norgreet, there's neither bond nor
free, there's neither male norfemale.
You are all one in Christ Jesus.
Yes, that scripture does exist,but it is now taken out of
context because in this context,you read a verse or two above.
Remember, that's the rule ofthis podcast you always read a
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verse or two above or a verse ortwo below, because context is
key.
What we're talking about here isnot about equality in roles in
the church.
What we're talking about hereis equality in the role of
salvation.
That is a huge difference,because verse 26, leading up to
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28 says you are all children ofGod by faith in Christ Jesus.
Verse 27 says For as many ofyou have been baptized into
Christ as put on Christ, so nowverse 28 is meaning there's no
difference between whetheryou're a Jew or a Gentile,
whether you're a man or a woman,whether you're a slave person
or a free person.
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Once you're put on Christ youbelong to Christ.
And if you go down one moreverse, where you be Christ, then
you are Abraham's seed andheirs according to the promise.
So again, context is key.
Do not let people mislead you bytaking the scripture out of
context and then, you know, justmaking all kinds of doctrine.
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That's where a lot of us getlost.
We are reading, we're reading averse and saying, oh wait, what
does that mean?
Because the devil's right theretelling you hey, this is what
this may mean.
What if?
Uh, and what he will do is hewill come to you and say he'll
ask you a question and thequestion will be a loaded
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question and the question willbe based on a fallacy.
And that fallacy would meanlike in this case well, what
does that mean?
Does that mean that?
No, it doesn't mean that awoman could be a pastor.
It doesn't mean that adulteryis okay.
It doesn't mean that all itmeans is that, in salvation, in
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the eyes of salvation, justgetting to heaven sitting on the
pew, not leading choir, notleading, it does not mean
anything, whether what kind ofbackground you are, what kind of
background you have, whatgender you are, what you do for
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a living.
Now, let me just stop rightthere, because if you're still a
stripper, you're probably goingto be convicted to get out of
that profession.
I'm just saying, however, let'skeep going.
So it describes in Timothy andin Titus I believe in Ephesians
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no, not in Ephesians In 1Timothy 3 and 2, 1 Timothy 3 and
12, and then in Titus 1 and 6.
Titus 1 and 6.
It all basically describes thedescriptions of the officiants,
in other words, the pastors, thedeacons, any of these things,
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and they all say the same thing.
Let's go with 1 Timothy 3 and 2.
A bishop, which means a pastor,must be blameless, which means
he can't have any sin.
He's got it.
So all these people who aretelling us, hey, you can't live
without sinning, I'm telling youright now the Bible says a
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bishop must be blameless, whichmeans he can't have sin in his
life, then the husband of onewife.
One wife, not the wife of ahusband not married to one
person.
The husband of one wife.
It is very specific Vigilant,which means he's always got his
eyes open, he's always lookingout Sober Okay, he's not drunk
Of good behavior.
He doesn't pop off at the mouth.
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That's what JJ has a problemwith.
Probably not a pastor yet, butgiven the hospitality mouth,
that's what JJ has a problemwith.
Probably not a pastor yet, butgiven the hospitality aptitude
not given to wine, again, it wasso important that Paul had to
mention it again.
No, striker, not somebody whogreedy.
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Now people will use that verseright there and say you can't be
rich.
No, no, no, no.
Not greedy of filthy lucre, notthat he has it, not that he has
money.
He's not greedy of filthy lucreto the point where he's willing
to do anything or say anythingto get the dollar.
And that should have made awhole bunch of so-called male
preachers or male pastors popinto your head right there.
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But patience.
Bunch of so-called malepreachers or male pastors pop
into your head right there.
But patient.
You got to be patient withpeople.
You got to be able to tell youhey, man, god loves you, but he
doesn't love your sin.
You know, not a brawler, he'snot running around in the street
corners.
If you know somebody sayssomething against god, you know,
just run up and punch him inthe mouth.
No, no, no, not that Notcovetous.
Not covetous means listen.
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God gave me this flock.
I don't want your flock.
God gave me this one, and Idon't want to.
And even in my personal life.
You got a nice car, I want anice car too.
No, our job is I'm saying our,like me.
But the job of a bishop is toonly be concerned with what God
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wants us to do, one that ruleswell his own house, having his
children in subjection, with allgravity.
Again, we're talking about notonly is the bishop being able to
control his church or controlhimself, but now also to control
his house.
And then, if he can't rule hisfirst five, he doesn't know how
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to rule his own house.
How should he take care of thechurch of God?
So, and it goes further andfurther and further into what
the qualifications of a bishopis, and this is just, just just
a bishop.
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But he does not stop there.
He does talk about the role ofthe wise In the bishop's life.
So in verse 11 and you shouldjust read the entire chapter,
this is a good chapter, just toread To know.
Even so, must their wise begrave?
In other words, I'm not sayingthey gotta have the upside down
Bitter church lady face.
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They have to be a seriousperson.
Because you know why?
Because when, when the devilcan't get that bishop, he's
coming for that wife.
He is coming for that wife, andyou will see, if you have not
seen it yet, you will.
A lot of quote unquote pastors,wives and I'm saying that in
quotes, because what happens isthey come for the wife.
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The wife starts doing stuffthat doesn't even make any sense
.
And then there was I can'tremember the name of that pastor
, but his wife started runningaround and revealing clothing
and talking about how God toldher to do this.
And this is not a bishop's wife, not slanderous, sober,
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faithful in all things, goingback to 1 Timothy, chapter 3.
So the women do have a veryserious role in this, but
basically it is to support theman of God who can then protect
you.
That's where a lot of this isreally getting off track here.
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It is to support the man of Godwho can then protect.
You See, that's where a lot ofthis is really getting off track
here, and I'm just going todiverge a little bit, because
this is where we this is, Ithink, where we as men, have
failed Our job.
From the beginning of beginnings, adam and Eve our job was to
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protect the wife.
Our job is to protect the wife,protect and provide.
That was our job.
Not in the garden so much,because God provided.
But Adam was lazy in the factthat he did not protect his wife
and we can go back and look atthe description.
Maybe we will, maybe that'll beour subject next week but Eve
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was allowed to be seduced by thedevil because Adam wasn't there
.
And even so, much now we have,as men, have pretty much
responded to our abilities, ourresponsibilities as far as the
women that we are supposed toprotect.
And so then they get out ofline, because they know when I
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say out of line, I don't meanthat to be misogynistic, but
they get out of their roles thatthey're supposed to be, that
they were created for, and tryto take on a role that we were
supposed to be for.
But we fell out of that roleand got lazy and and try to take
on a role that we were supposedto be for, but we fell out of
that role and got lazy, and sonow the whole thing is upside
down.
Let's continue in.
1 Timothy, 3 and 12.
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I told y'all at the beginningthat some of y'all may not
listen after today, so let'scontinue.
1 Timothy, 3 and 12.
Let the deacons be the husbandsof one wife.
So the deacons.
3 and 12.
Let the deacons be the husbandsof one wife.
So the deacons.
And we ain't talking about youknow, we're not talking about
having a bunch of mistresses, wegot one wife.
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Yeah, the deacons should bealmost as blameless as the
bishops Ruling their childrenand their own house as well, for
they that have used the officeof the deacon will purchase to
themselves a good degree withgreat boldness in their faith
with the Christ Jesus.
So again, this is Paul tellingTimothy that you know, because
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where he was at they had a lotof followers, everybody running
around trying to be fast.
If you see that now in certaincommunities it's like a church
on every corner and no one ispreaching the full truth, like
it's a little bit over here anda little bit over there, and
some of it over here and some ofit over there, and there's
always some sort of kind ofungodliness in it, some sort of
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kind of ungodliness in it.
And again, I'm just saying.
I'm just saying that whenpeople use these scriptures out
of context, it really sort oftakes away from the idea that
God is there to rescue us fromdeath.
When you start talking about,well, what about the pastors?
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What about this?
What about that?
What about this?
What about this?
Hey, what we're trying to do isescape hell, and if we're
trying to escape hell, we've gotto follow the instructions.
One of the things that I learnedwhen I first started cooking
was you can't take shortcuts.
For instance, I used to frychicken.
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I love frying chicken.
I know that sounds cliche To alot of people.
That sounds very simple.
I love frying chicken.
I love taking the chicken afteryou've cleaned it.
So, yeah, you gotta clean itapparently.
So you take the chicken, youput it in the egg, you put it in
the batter mix and then you fryit.
Well, one day I got a wild hairin my face and said, hey, why
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don't I mix the egg and theflour?
Right, because you got theflour, you got the egg, you got
the flour.
We'll put it all in onetogether and let's just skip a
step Right.
What I came out with, and andstacy, whatever, oh what, what?
What I came out with was thisbig, monstrous thing that was
like eight times the size of apiece of chicken.
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The outside of it was burnt andthe inside of it was raw.
At At the end of the day, itwas inedible.
It didn't work.
We cannot walkers.
We cannot.
We cannot take the steps thatGod has given us and try to
shortcut it.
We cannot, and as men of God,as women of God, we all have a
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role to play.
Only when I did that did Irealize that the role of the egg
was not to be mixed with theflour.
The role of the egg was to havethe flour stick to the chicken,
and this is the way that Goddid that for us.
The role of the man is and a lotof people take this is that,
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okay, the man gets to rule overeverything.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no, no, no.
That's not how this goes.
That's not how this goes.
It's not like we are kings andwomen are just lowly servants
Without women, without women tosupport us in that role.
That job becomes increasinglydifficult.
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That job really becomesincreasingly difficult.
And one of the things Paul saidwas that, yeah, I'm not going
to marry because basically hedoesn't want that trouble.
Now, that's not to say that,okay, you know, ministers should
marry.
We have an organization thatdoes that and guess what kind of
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problem that they have?
They're getting lawsuits everysix weeks.
Somebody's paying out asettlement from something that
happened ten years ago, but heclearly says let the deacons
have one wife, let the bishop behusband of one wife, and we can
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go into Solomon, we can go intoinstances where people had more
than one wife and how thatended up being a problem.
Important to understand thatthings like this take away from
the argument or take away fromthe time that we should be
talking about how God can savepeople from drugs and alcohol.
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God can save people from mentalillness.
God can save people from sinfullives.
I mean, we literally have aperson over in the UK and I'm
trying not to be too graphic,because this is a family show
about a woman being with athousand men in 12 hours.
First it was a hundred men in aday, then she did a thousand in
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a day and then another one saidI could do twice that many and
apparently they did.
And it's insane, y'all.
And I mean, do you understandthat?
The amount of mental andspiritual damage you do to that
that's.
But you know we say that thatstuff, society is saying, oh,
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that's funny, let's click onthat.
But God can save you from thatkind of stuff.
God can save you from that kindof stuff.
God can save you from thatone-upism that seems to have
taken the world by storm thesedays.
I mean, how do you think someof these other things got
started?
It's more of a one-upism.
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I'm a weirder person than you,so show me attention.
I'm a weirder person than you,so show me attention.
I'm a weirder person than thatguy.
Show me attention.
Where is that fervor for livingfor God?
And I'm not talking about beingholier than thou, that's a
completely different story.
That's a completely differentproblem that people have and
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people do that and when you seeit, it's really off-putting
towards people who are lookingfor God, because oh well, I
could quote more scriptures thanyou this turns into a contest
and we don't want that contestsort of shift in the church.
We don't want that in ourspiritual lives because it ends
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up leading us astray.
And this is where the termcovetous comes in, as far as
being a bishop.
Hey, listen, you've got 200members, that's great.
I've got two members, that'sgood.
You know why?
Because this is what God gaveyou.
This is what God told me to do.
And so now the problem is thatwhen you say this is what God
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told you to do, can you linethat up with the word of God?
The reason why I say that isbecause what people will say
then is that well, what aboutthese female pastors say well,
god told me to preach.
Well, that could be true.
God could have told them topreach.
Just like Deborah is a judge,just like Esther was a queen,
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they were still subject to amale ruler.
I get that in this day and age,that's not popular.
So please understand, I'm notsaying that women are worthless.
That's what the devil willprobably tell you right now.
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I'm not saying that women areworthless.
Women play a very vitalsupporting role.
It helps men carry that load.
It's a very heavy load.
On the same token, we now havea position to protect.
We're in a position now we haveto protect them.
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We have to protect them notonly from the wiles of the devil
, but we also have to protectthem from the voices coming out
of the world.
About how I could get intoanother whole discussion.
We're running out of time.
We got to protect our women.
We got to protect our women.
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We talked about how women aresupposed to love their wives.
But what about the other women?
I'm not saying we love them.
I'm saying we have to protectour daughters, our nieces, our
sisters.
We've got to protect them, too,from the voices of the world
trying to lead them astray.
So maybe, just maybe, thiswould be like episode one of a
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Bible study, to where we talkabout the roles of men and women
.
There are distinct roles.
There are.
We'll do that.
We'll talk about it.
If you have any questions.
Hopefully I spawned somequestions in your mind.
If so, hit me up atwalkwithmebiblestudy at gmail.
Walkwithmebiblestudy at gmail.
Tell us what you want to talkabout.
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If you want your name in thesubject mentioned in the podcast
, put it in the subject line,like our friend did last week.
But hey, listen, I'm here foryou.
I'm here for you.
I love you all.
Tell somebody that Jesus lovesthem.
Tell somebody that Jesus diedfor them for no cost at all.
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All right, love you all, godbless.
You See y'all in the next one.
Hello everybody and welcome to today's episode of
Walk With Me.
I am your host, jj.
It's so good to have each andevery one of you here.
I love the fact that you guyslisten to this podcast every
week.
I'm really humbled andappreciate that.
I'm really humbled and Iappreciate all the emails that I
get and the questions.
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We're going to be dealing withone today.
It actually spawned from adebate I was having with someone
on social media.
You know how those debates get.
But if you have any questionsbiblical questions I don't
really want to do politicalquestions so if it's not
directly biblical now you canask a question.
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Let me finish one thought first, if you do have a question, go
ahead and email me atwalkwithmebiblestudy at gmailcom
.
Walkwithmebiblestudy atgmailcom.
Now, what I was going to saybefore is don't ask me who I'm
voting for.
Like overtly political things.
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I'm not going.
Overtly political things.
I'm not going to answer.
I will thank you for the email,but I'm not going to give you
any answers for that, becausethat's the choice that you have
to make between you and God.
And why do I say that?
I say that because what yousupport is what you're
responsible for.
So you know Paul talks aboutdon't wish people God's speed,
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because if you do, don't supportthem.
If you do, you are partakers intheir sin.
And that's the way I do mypolitics, that's the way I live
my life, because I do not wantto be partaking of anyone's sin.
I got my own problems.
I got my own sins that I fight.
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I got my own repentance that Ihave to do.
I'm not going to be doing yourrepentance.
That being said, I'm going to bedealing with a kind of a
question that is sort ofpolitical, but it's political,
within what we call Christianity, but I will call it
churchianity, and it's a prettytouchy subject and it's amazing
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how people will pull scripturesout of different places to try
to justify their beliefs and Isay crazy, but it's really
amazing.
It's really amazing and I doappreciate.
I so appreciate the fact thatyou guys are asking me about
this, because you can askanybody.
You can ask a pastor, you canask anyone of your local
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preachers, but you're asking meand I really do appreciate it
and I even understand thatsometimes local preachers or
local pastors don't want tooffend you or don't want to
offend anyone.
They kind of hem and haw aboutit.
I have no such compunction.
While I'm here for you, I'mhere really for God and I have
to just go by what the Biblesays and I get that.
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You may not get a direct answerif you ask someone directly.
So the question is well, andthe question really became about
women pastorship, femalepastorship and I.
It's touching because generallyyou don't have a lot of men
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that ask you this question.
You have a lot of females thatask you this question and women
that ask you this question, andthey ask you this question not
necessarily in a position ofcuriosity, but in what I've
learned over the last two weeks,in a position of a challenge.
So, that being said, some of thethings I may say today may come
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off as a little harsh, but I'mtelling you, I'm only giving you
what the Word of God said.
Okay, I love each and every oneof you.
I do not dislike any of you.
I love each and every one ofyou.
And listen to this podcast.
I love you.
If you don't listen to thispodcast, if this is the last one
you listen to, I still love you.
Okay, before we get into that, Igotta do my shout out to my
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So, that being said, let's getinto today's subject now.
Again, it will offend somepeople, um, and if it, if it
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offends you, then you have toquestion why you are offended,
and this is the way I am anyway.
Like, even if things that thatare sinful, they don't offend me
because I'm not doing them.
But I ask myself, why am Ioffended?
Because it's against the wordof God, or is it something I
just don't like?
So, that being said, let's getinto it.
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So now, walk with me on this.
You don't, we don't get to makeup the rules as we see fit, and
how it really, how it reallycame to me and how it really
came to me was we were talkingabout something and it was
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really kind of off the way wewere talking about it, we
suddenly shifted over into womenpastors.
I do not, jj speaking, jjspeaking do not have an issue
with women preachers and what Iwill say that the Bible seems to
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be very against womenpastorships, and this is by the
writings of Paul, this is by theexamples we have in the Old
Testament of who the leaderswere, who the prophets were and
how.
It seems to follow one thingalong the Bible that God created
Adam and then created Eve fromAdam and then told Eve that you
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will be subject to your husband.
Now, it's kind of weird ifyou're subject to your husband
in the natural but not in thespiritual.
It just doesn't make any sense.
So a lot of people will tell mewell, what about Esther and
what about Deborah the judge?
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Well, neither one of thesepeople, even though they were
mentioned in the Bible, or Ruth,even though they were mentioned
in the Bible, because they hada very pivotal role in the
coming of the kingdom of God.
They were not actually leaders.
They were not leaders.
Yet Deborah was a judge.
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She was a judge among many andwhat she did was very important.
And so that's not to say womenare not important in the church,
women are not important in thehouse of god and working in the
kingdom of god.
Please don't get that twisted.
Women are not Not shareholdersor placeholders.
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They're not.
They are a very important role.
However, the Bible does notallow it, not even on a
Metaphorical sense or in aliteral sense.
It does not say a woman shouldbe a pastor.
And if you look, if you reallylook around and this is really
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going to make a lot of peopleangry If you really look around
to places that have womenpastors or women co-pastors, or
the woman's the pastor and thehusband's the co-pastor, you
will see a lot of confusiongoing on in that church.
You'll see a lot of confusiongoing on in that congregation, a
lot of things that areanti-biblical going on in that
church.
You'll see a lot of confusiongoing on in that congregation, a
lot of things that areanti-biblical going on in that
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congregation.
Now, let me stop right thereand let you know that I'm not
saying that women buildings ororganizations without women
pastors are somehow great andglorious.
I'm not saying that at all.
Not saying that at all.
Two things can be true at thesame time.
You can have a man leading hisflock astray, just like you can
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have a woman leading a flockastray.
That's not the issue.
What I'm telling you is thatunless everything is done the
way the Bible has said it to bedone, you're being led astray.
So one of the big scripturesthat they somebody tried to use
on me was Galatians 3 28.
Now this is still Paul writingto the church, the Galatian
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church, where he says 3 28.
It says there neither do norgreet, there's neither bond nor
free, there's neither male norfemale.
You are all one in Christ Jesus.
Yes, that scripture does exist,but it is now taken out of
context because in this context,you read a verse or two above.
Remember, that's the rule ofthis podcast you always read a
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verse or two above or a verse ortwo below, because context is
key.
What we're talking about here isnot about equality in roles in
the church.
What we're talking about hereis equality in the role of
salvation.
That is a huge difference,because verse 26, leading up to
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28 says you are all children ofGod by faith in Christ Jesus.
Verse 27 says For as many ofyou have been baptized into
Christ as put on Christ, so nowverse 28 is meaning there's no
difference between whetheryou're a Jew or a Gentile,
whether you're a man or a woman,whether you're a slave person
or a free person.
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Once you're put on Christ youbelong to Christ.
And if you go down one moreverse, where you be Christ, then
you are Abraham's seed andheirs according to the promise.
So again, context is key.
Do not let people mislead you bytaking the scripture out of
context and then, you know, justmaking all kinds of doctrine.
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That's where a lot of us getlost.
We are reading, we're reading averse and saying, oh wait, what
does that mean?
Because the devil's right theretelling you hey, this is what
this may mean.
What if?
Uh, and what he will do is hewill come to you and say he'll
ask you a question and thequestion will be a loaded
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question and the question willbe based on a fallacy.
And that fallacy would meanlike in this case well, what
does that mean?
Does that mean that?
No, it doesn't mean that awoman could be a pastor.
It doesn't mean that adulteryis okay.
It doesn't mean that all itmeans is that, in salvation, in
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the eyes of salvation, justgetting to heaven sitting on the
pew, not leading choir, notleading, it does not mean
anything, whether what kind ofbackground you are, what kind of
background you have, whatgender you are, what you do for
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a living.
Now, let me just stop rightthere, because if you're still a
stripper, you're probably goingto be convicted to get out of
that profession.
I'm just saying, however, let'skeep going.
So it describes in Timothy andin Titus I believe in Ephesians
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no, not in Ephesians In 1Timothy 3 and 2, 1 Timothy 3 and
12, and then in Titus 1 and 6.
Titus 1 and 6.
It all basically describes thedescriptions of the officiants,
in other words, the pastors, thedeacons, any of these things,
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and they all say the same thing.
Let's go with 1 Timothy 3 and 2.
A bishop, which means a pastor,must be blameless, which means
he can't have any sin.
He's got it.
So all these people who aretelling us, hey, you can't live
without sinning, I'm telling youright now the Bible says a
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bishop must be blameless, whichmeans he can't have sin in his
life, then the husband of onewife.
One wife, not the wife of ahusband not married to one
person.
The husband of one wife.
It is very specific Vigilant,which means he's always got his
eyes open, he's always lookingout Sober Okay, he's not drunk
Of good behavior.
He doesn't pop off at the mouth.
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That's what JJ has a problemwith.
Probably not a pastor yet, butgiven the hospitality mouth,
that's what JJ has a problemwith.
Probably not a pastor yet, butgiven the hospitality aptitude
not given to wine, again, it wasso important that Paul had to
mention it again.
No, striker, not somebody whogreedy.
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Now people will use that verseright there and say you can't be
rich.
No, no, no, no.
Not greedy of filthy lucre, notthat he has it, not that he has
money.
He's not greedy of filthy lucreto the point where he's willing
to do anything or say anythingto get the dollar.
And that should have made awhole bunch of so-called male
preachers or male pastors popinto your head right there.
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But patience.
Bunch of so-called malepreachers or male pastors pop
into your head right there.
But patient.
You got to be patient withpeople.
You got to be able to tell youhey, man, god loves you, but he
doesn't love your sin.
You know, not a brawler, he'snot running around in the street
corners.
If you know somebody sayssomething against god, you know,
just run up and punch him inthe mouth.
No, no, no, not that Notcovetous.
Not covetous means listen.
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God gave me this flock.
I don't want your flock.
God gave me this one, and Idon't want to.
And even in my personal life.
You got a nice car, I want anice car too.
No, our job is I'm saying our,like me.
But the job of a bishop is toonly be concerned with what God
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wants us to do, one that ruleswell his own house, having his
children in subjection, with allgravity.
Again, we're talking about notonly is the bishop being able to
control his church or controlhimself, but now also to control
his house.
And then, if he can't rule hisfirst five, he doesn't know how
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to rule his own house.
How should he take care of thechurch of God?
So, and it goes further andfurther and further into what
the qualifications of a bishopis, and this is just, just just
a bishop.
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But he does not stop there.
He does talk about the role ofthe wise In the bishop's life.
So in verse 11 and you shouldjust read the entire chapter,
this is a good chapter, just toread To know.
Even so, must their wise begrave?
In other words, I'm not sayingthey gotta have the upside down
Bitter church lady face.
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They have to be a seriousperson.
Because you know why?
Because when, when the devilcan't get that bishop, he's
coming for that wife.
He is coming for that wife, andyou will see, if you have not
seen it yet, you will.
A lot of quote unquote pastors,wives and I'm saying that in
quotes, because what happens isthey come for the wife.
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The wife starts doing stuffthat doesn't even make any sense
.
And then there was I can'tremember the name of that pastor
, but his wife started runningaround and revealing clothing
and talking about how God toldher to do this.
And this is not a bishop's wife, not slanderous, sober,
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faithful in all things, goingback to 1 Timothy, chapter 3.
So the women do have a veryserious role in this, but
basically it is to support theman of God who can then protect
you.
That's where a lot of this isreally getting off track here.
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It is to support the man of Godwho can then protect.
You See, that's where a lot ofthis is really getting off track
here, and I'm just going todiverge a little bit, because
this is where we this is, Ithink, where we as men, have
failed Our job.
From the beginning of beginnings, adam and Eve our job was to
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protect the wife.
Our job is to protect the wife,protect and provide.
That was our job.
Not in the garden so much,because God provided.
But Adam was lazy in the factthat he did not protect his wife
and we can go back and look atthe description.
Maybe we will, maybe that'll beour subject next week but Eve
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was allowed to be seduced by thedevil because Adam wasn't there
.
And even so, much now we have,as men, have pretty much
responded to our abilities, ourresponsibilities as far as the
women that we are supposed toprotect.
And so then they get out ofline, because they know when I
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say out of line, I don't meanthat to be misogynistic, but
they get out of their roles thatthey're supposed to be, that
they were created for, and tryto take on a role that we were
supposed to be for.
But we fell out of that roleand got lazy and and try to take
on a role that we were supposedto be for, but we fell out of
that role and got lazy, and sonow the whole thing is upside
down.
Let's continue in.
1 Timothy, 3 and 12.
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I told y'all at the beginningthat some of y'all may not
listen after today, so let'scontinue.
1 Timothy, 3 and 12.
Let the deacons be the husbandsof one wife.
So the deacons.
3 and 12.
Let the deacons be the husbandsof one wife.
So the deacons.
And we ain't talking about youknow, we're not talking about
having a bunch of mistresses, wegot one wife.
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Yeah, the deacons should bealmost as blameless as the
bishops Ruling their childrenand their own house as well, for
they that have used the officeof the deacon will purchase to
themselves a good degree withgreat boldness in their faith
with the Christ Jesus.
So again, this is Paul tellingTimothy that you know, because
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where he was at they had a lotof followers, everybody running
around trying to be fast.
If you see that now in certaincommunities it's like a church
on every corner and no one ispreaching the full truth, like
it's a little bit over here anda little bit over there, and
some of it over here and some ofit over there, and there's
always some sort of kind ofungodliness in it, some sort of
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kind of ungodliness in it.
And again, I'm just saying.
I'm just saying that whenpeople use these scriptures out
of context, it really sort oftakes away from the idea that
God is there to rescue us fromdeath.
When you start talking about,well, what about the pastors?
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What about this?
What about that?
What about this?
What about this?
Hey, what we're trying to do isescape hell, and if we're
trying to escape hell, we've gotto follow the instructions.
One of the things that I learnedwhen I first started cooking
was you can't take shortcuts.
For instance, I used to frychicken.
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I love frying chicken.
I know that sounds cliche To alot of people.
That sounds very simple.
I love frying chicken.
I love taking the chicken afteryou've cleaned it.
So, yeah, you gotta clean itapparently.
So you take the chicken, youput it in the egg, you put it in
the batter mix and then you fryit.
Well, one day I got a wild hairin my face and said, hey, why
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don't I mix the egg and theflour?
Right, because you got theflour, you got the egg, you got
the flour.
We'll put it all in onetogether and let's just skip a
step Right.
What I came out with, and andstacy, whatever, oh what, what?
What I came out with was thisbig, monstrous thing that was
like eight times the size of apiece of chicken.
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The outside of it was burnt andthe inside of it was raw.
At At the end of the day, itwas inedible.
It didn't work.
We cannot walkers.
We cannot.
We cannot take the steps thatGod has given us and try to
shortcut it.
We cannot, and as men of God,as women of God, we all have a
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role to play.
Only when I did that did Irealize that the role of the egg
was not to be mixed with theflour.
The role of the egg was to havethe flour stick to the chicken,
and this is the way that Goddid that for us.
The role of the man is and a lotof people take this is that,
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okay, the man gets to rule overeverything.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no, no, no.
That's not how this goes.
That's not how this goes.
It's not like we are kings andwomen are just lowly servants
Without women, without women tosupport us in that role.
That job becomes increasinglydifficult.
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That job really becomesincreasingly difficult.
And one of the things Paul saidwas that, yeah, I'm not going
to marry because basically hedoesn't want that trouble.
Now, that's not to say that,okay, you know, ministers should
marry.
We have an organization thatdoes that and guess what kind of
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problem that they have?
They're getting lawsuits everysix weeks.
Somebody's paying out asettlement from something that
happened ten years ago, but heclearly says let the deacons
have one wife, let the bishop behusband of one wife, and we can
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go into Solomon, we can go intoinstances where people had more
than one wife and how thatended up being a problem.
Important to understand thatthings like this take away from
the argument or take away fromthe time that we should be
talking about how God can savepeople from drugs and alcohol.
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God can save people from mentalillness.
God can save people from sinfullives.
I mean, we literally have aperson over in the UK and I'm
trying not to be too graphic,because this is a family show
about a woman being with athousand men in 12 hours.
First it was a hundred men in aday, then she did a thousand in
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a day and then another one saidI could do twice that many and
apparently they did.
And it's insane, y'all.
And I mean, do you understandthat?
The amount of mental andspiritual damage you do to that
that's.
But you know we say that thatstuff, society is saying, oh,
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that's funny, let's click onthat.
But God can save you from thatkind of stuff.
God can save you from that kindof stuff.
God can save you from thatone-upism that seems to have
taken the world by storm thesedays.
I mean, how do you think someof these other things got
started?
It's more of a one-upism.
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I'm a weirder person than you,so show me attention.
I'm a weirder person than you,so show me attention.
I'm a weirder person than thatguy.
Show me attention.
Where is that fervor for livingfor God?
And I'm not talking about beingholier than thou, that's a
completely different story.
That's a completely differentproblem that people have and
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people do that and when you seeit, it's really off-putting
towards people who are lookingfor God, because oh well, I
could quote more scriptures thanyou this turns into a contest
and we don't want that contestsort of shift in the church.
We don't want that in ourspiritual lives because it ends
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up leading us astray.
And this is where the termcovetous comes in, as far as
being a bishop.
Hey, listen, you've got 200members, that's great.
I've got two members, that'sgood.
You know why?
Because this is what God gaveyou.
This is what God told me to do.
And so now the problem is thatwhen you say this is what God
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told you to do, can you linethat up with the word of God?
The reason why I say that isbecause what people will say
then is that well, what aboutthese female pastors say well,
god told me to preach.
Well, that could be true.
God could have told them topreach.
Just like Deborah is a judge,just like Esther was a queen,
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they were still subject to amale ruler.
I get that in this day and age,that's not popular.
So please understand, I'm notsaying that women are worthless.
That's what the devil willprobably tell you right now.
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I'm not saying that women areworthless.
Women play a very vitalsupporting role.
It helps men carry that load.
It's a very heavy load.
On the same token, we now havea position to protect.
We're in a position now we haveto protect them.
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We have to protect them notonly from the wiles of the devil
, but we also have to protectthem from the voices coming out
of the world.
About how I could get intoanother whole discussion.
We're running out of time.
We got to protect our women.
We got to protect our women.
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We talked about how women aresupposed to love their wives.
But what about the other women?
I'm not saying we love them.
I'm saying we have to protectour daughters, our nieces, our
sisters.
We've got to protect them, too,from the voices of the world
trying to lead them astray.
So maybe, just maybe, thiswould be like episode one of a
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Bible study, to where we talkabout the roles of men and women
.
There are distinct roles.
There are.
We'll do that.
We'll talk about it.
If you have any questions.
Hopefully I spawned somequestions in your mind.
If so, hit me up atwalkwithmebiblestudy at gmail.
Walkwithmebiblestudy at gmail.
Tell us what you want to talkabout.
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If you want your name in thesubject mentioned in the podcast
, put it in the subject line,like our friend did last week.
But hey, listen, I'm here foryou.
I'm here for you.
I love you all.
Tell somebody that Jesus lovesthem.
Tell somebody that Jesus diedfor them for no cost at all.
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All right, love you all, godbless.
You See y'all in the next one.
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