Everything Bigfoot Part 2 |Episode 92 | Lodge Tales, Weird Maine Paranormal, & Ghostlee Hunter - War Cry Podcast

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What's going on guys? And welcome to another edition,
a compilation edition of the WarCry podcast.
This is everything Bigfoot on the podcast, Part 2.
This features Rod from Lodge Tails, Ghostly Hunter from
Hunters of the Paranormal and our buddy Ryan Knights over at
Weird Maine Paranormal. They share, you know, pretty

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crazy Bigfoot information and then you hear from yours truly
on kind of what I think. I appreciate everyone that
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But I'm also trying to roll out a YouTube membership too as

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well. I want to be available to
everybody that's coming here. Probably the next little while
it'll be the same content that'son Patreon will be on but on but
on the YouTube memberships. So be on the lookout for that
guys. These are some pretty crazy.
I for you know, I honestly forget about half of the stories
that people tell me. And I was going through old

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audio and I was like, you know, I'm gonna go ahead and do a
Bigfoot part too. Man, I was surprised that I
forgot all these these these stories in this information, but
it's really good stuff and I appreciate you guys who support
the podcast. Enjoyed.
Very, very dangerous if he's fighting.
Since, you know, I was like, oh,something.

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'S off. I'm just like, man, I'm waiting
to hear something, you know? When I talk to him with Magnus,

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Evan is, you know, when I was telling him that story about the
CIA agency and some type of beast or shapeshifter type
thing, you know, in his in the, in the cabin up there.
So, you know, it could be, it could be, it could be really
anything, you know, But I don't,I don't know, the werewolf dog

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man thing is just kind of a weird thing to me because, you
know, I've had people describe to me what shapeshifter looks
like. I've had somebody who was
Cherokee see one in broad daylight in the city here in
Tulsa. Eventually I'll tell that story,

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and there's a few other stories that are tagged with that.
But he had seen one and he described it to me as like
someone that's really thin with a coat on, like it's like a fur
coat. So do with that as you will.
Let me see what's riches. Here in New Jersey we have a lot

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of Bigfoot, dog man encounters and not to mention the Jersey
devil. We have a lot of woods in New
Jersey farmland the Pine Barrensare 1.2 acres.
Northwest Jersey in the mountains have over 4000 acres
of protected lands. A ton of.
Squatch call them the red, The big red eye.

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Interesting. Hey, I didn't know New Jersey
had it like that. This gentleman, you know, has
sent me his original story. I'm going to read the original
story. Then eventually I'm going to do
a follow up because there's morethings that I need to flush out.
He's been to that area of of a few times over the last couple
years and has seen some other kind of weird things going on,

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such as like he saw a deer carcass that had just the, I
think it was just the liver eating out, which is
interesting. But this encounter goes like
this. My encounter happened around
2000 or 2001. I wanted to relate an experience

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my uncle and I had from my childhood.
I grew up in a small town calledHamptonville, NC.
Some people pass by and on the highway and literally never knew
it was there, never existed. It's just a rural farming
community community. But there is a road about a mile
from us where my experience tookplace.
Growing up, I heard different creepy stories about a

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particular section of the of thewoods.
On the end of that road there's a good sized Creek that zigzag
through and create a couple swampy areas within it.
I overheard a group of girls talking on the bus one day when
I was young. One of them was relaying a story
about her older sister partying and swimming with a group of
friends by the Creek. She said she saw a figure in the

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woods that she called the devil,hightailed it out of there and
you know, out of there after they saw the figure.
Fast forward a couple years later, I was probably 11 or 12,
and my Uncle Frank would visit from Boone during the summer to
fish and hunt with my dad and vice versa.
Well, one particular summer we had started fishing on that road

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about 1/2 mile down. There was a small bridge on the
the small bridge. Jeez.
On the path on the right hand side of the road that would lead
to one end of the Creek the pathwas in.
The path was inaccessible by vehicle so you had to walk about
a mile down get to that particular area.

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One time my father and uncle andI had went fishing there,
probably around lunchtime. My uncle pointed something out
after we parked the truck at thebeginning of the path that was
underneath the small bridge. It was a blue tit coonhouse
hunting dog laying dead in the Creek and its stomach had been
eaten out. The rest of him was virtually
untouched. My dad and I own Coon dogs and

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hunt regularly at this point in time and they can be very
expensive and most hunters don'tlet them just roam around when
they aren't hunting. Unless he was lost from a hunt,
maybe the owner couldn't locate him.
There wasn't a house for probably another mile or two up
the road from that particular spot.
It was very odd. Isn't kind of what we all
thought? Well a couple weeks later my

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uncle had come down and wanted to fish that area once again.
My dad was busy and I told him Iwanted to tag along.
It was probably around 4/30 5:00when we headed out.
We parked his old black Ford pickup, grabbed our fishing gear
and started our hike in that area was that area always gave

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me the creeps and not just the stories or the dog that we had
found, but just the looks and vibes of the area was super
anonymous or anonymous, super ominous, heavily forested on
both sides of the path all the way down to the fishing spot.
That evening we had a fairly decent We had fairly decent luck
and stayed until it was dark. I hated the idea of walking back

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in the pitch darkness. We didn't.
We didn't think to bring a flashlight because we hadn't
intended on staying that long. As we start up the path we began
to hear on the right side of us in the woods a raccoon
screaming. I knew the sound well because I
because like I said I had Coon hunt a lot with my dad.
Well the screaming got extremelyclose to us and then it got

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really far away from us really rapidly.
At first we thought it was two different ones screaming and
then realized what was going on.We could hear leaves and
branches smack being smacked towards the top of the trees
when the screaming was near and we could still hear it but not
as loud when it was farther away.
Something was throwing the raccoon into something and it

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would catch and throw it back. I've been in the woods my whole
life and Coon hunting as well asdeer haunted since I could walk
and I've never heard anything like this before.
Coons are stealthy and can move quickly but this thing was being
thrown over the treetops 4050 feet higher in the air.
What could possibly what could possibly throw this thing?

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Pitch black darkness with several trees surrounding and
see that good enough to catch it.
Now his answer is, is Sasquatch.Now my dad and uncle had grew up
in the mountains of Boone, NC hunting, fishing their entire
lives and they knew the woods and its inhabits very well.
I've never seen my uncle Frank scared a day in his life until

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that night. He said hair hairs on his arms
are sticking straight up from the goosebumps he had.
He said he I wish I wouldn't have left my pistol pistol
locked in the damn truck. He kept repeating what in the
hell is that? As we got to the truck, silent.
The raccoon let out one last ungodly shriek and everything in
the in the forest grew silent. No crickets, no living things,

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nothing in the woods was making a peek.
We drove back to the house and told my dad about the encounter.
My uncle mentioned if what if whatever killed a dog had a hand
in what we experienced that night.
If you look on the BFRO website,look for reports in Yadkin
County, you will find 2, one of which is from a former music

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teacher in elementary school whoencountered a white colored
Bigfoot when he was a child in Hamptonville, probably 4 to 5
miles on from this road. Man, I didn't know I could read
that long. You know, I had no idea I had it
in me. But man, that's that's

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interesting, you know, because raccoons are Pretty Little
fierce creatures, you know, they're pretty mean.
And for, you know, him to basically have these things like
whatever this was throw this raccoon and kind of like playing

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ball with it. You know, it's interesting.
It's it's pretty, pretty crazy. You know, I haven't heard much
about, you know, them in terms of like killing and taking
certain parts. No, I have heard that in cattle
mutilations and there have been a few cattle, cattle mutilations
here in Oklahoma. Eventually I'll get to that

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topic too. That's another deep dive.
But but to for them to take a specific organ, you know, to me
is very interesting. And if you guys have any
theories, you let me know because that's, that is very,
very interesting, especially when it comes to, you know,
Bigfoot or even, you know, maybethere might be a, a werewolf or

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dog man or, you know, whatever it could be.
But but one thing about to me about Bigfoot that I, I just
don't know how to quantify it interms of like how to say it like
what I think it is. You know, I've been quoted on
other podcasts saying that it's a type of tribe or type of clan,

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and people always assume that I'm saying human and it's not
really what I'm trying to say. I'll get to the point of of
saying it like how I want to sayit.
But what my thought is, is I think that there's some type of
hint of human in that or some type of intelligent being inside

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that brain. I was harking back and I was
using an example when I talk to people about Bigfoot is, you
know, there's been on record through, you know, oral history,
you know, Chitto Harjo, he's messing around in Honeycomb
Bluff and you follow around thatarea that he was taught how to

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do those things. And he had used that at
Honeycomb Bluff to evade, I guess you could say, the
prohibition, federal agents. And there's this level of
intelligence that's more than just a monkey.
Now, we all seen Planet of the Apes.

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I've done a review over it. I don't know if it's that level,
but I think it's enough to wherethey know how to take care of
themselves. They know how to do the old, the
old ways, you know, from the root, you know, of the, of the
plant using, you know, differenttypes of plans to fix certain

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things or, excuse me, to not infect certain things too.
And you know, that's one thing about that.
And I always have non natives being like, oh, well, where are
you saying they're using magic? And I'm like, well, maybe, yeah.
But like, you know, the cloakingthing always comes up.
Like how how did I see? And it stepped over and it's

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gone. Yeah, it could be camouflage.
But I think also too, I think it's they know things, you know,
they know how to navigate through their living room
essentially. Like you're not saying that I'm
sitting on my couch and I'm likea chameleon, but like in a sense
of they know exactly where to goif they see something they don't

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know. But also too, I also think too
that they know things, you know,I would say medicine and you
know, medicine is used in a lot of different ways.
You know, I always hear people say, Oh, yeah, they're they're
using practice of medicine. They know things or like, oh,
they're oh, that's that bad medicine.
Oh, you're on mad medicine, you know, things like that.
But maybe that's true. And also I have a another theory

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that like people always assume, Oh, natives, you know, if you're
native, you, you look native andthis and this you must know the
old ways. And my thought is I, I look at
different tribal nations and I look at Bigfoot as similar when
it comes to their ways. I believe that over time through

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with natives. Well, I know over time, you
know, we have had things taken away from us.
We've been essentially bred out in some family lines, you know,
more they, you know, more white people, you know, trying to, you
know, Europeans or colonists, you know, marrying in, you know,

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and, and you lose the original ways in certain family lines,
family lineages. And that's kind of what my
thought is about Bigfoot, is that I think that there are some
clans that know things. You know, Matt Sieber from East

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Tennessee, Bigfoot had his crew have an encounter with one of
these Bigfoot that was messing with the technology.
And a crazy story that I have that it made me think when he
told that story was I was out atmy grand, my grandma at her

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headstone, and I had just boughtmy parents for Christmas or
Christmas or one of those holidays had bought me a, a
camera phone, like a brand new phone.
I might like I said, I might have been in college still for
Christmas or some of those holidays.
And when I went to take a picture, it was blurry of her

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headstone, you know, in the areas around her headstones, it
was blurry. So then we go back to the, you
know, I go to take another picture of something else and it
wasn't blurry anymore. And I'm like, God, I can't, I
don't know what's going on with my camera.
And I remember telling him that now I don't know, it could have
been the camera. I don't know.

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But hearing that made me reminded me of, you know, when
Matt was telling that story about his people getting their
stuff messed with. She knew things.
And I, and like I said, I think that clan that they were running
into in that area, new thing. And so it's hard to quantify.
It's hard to like communicate that thought to people who

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believe that Bigfoot is flesh and blood or Bigfoot is
interdimensional or Bigfoot. Is this that the other And
that's like the divisiveness that I absolutely can't stand
about the Bigfoot community because everyone thinks they
know everything. I'm just giving my theory
because I'm just like, that's a very interesting because I hear
different things that fit with my in the way that I see things

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in my head because I think of like I said, medicine's always
passed down in the family. It's not given to someone else
outside the family. And then they start, oops, they
started, but it always, it always trickles down into the
family. So once that person stops doing
it or doesn't want to do it, it's over.

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Like it doesn't, you know, unless they, you know, they have
permission to teach or whatever,whatever however it shakes out.
Being around all the different tribes, I heard a lot of ghost
stories there. So that just knowing that
there's so much out there and atthe same time realizing that a
lot of indigenous people are, are reluctant to share on social

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media or or podcast formats or anything like that.
And I wanted to create a place where they could come and share
freely. See, because a lot of these
natives and indigenous people were sharing with non natives
and I could tell sometimes the, the reluctance and their, their

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voices that they were, you know,kind of struggling with it.
So it's always easier to talk toa, a fellow indigenous person
about these things, you know, because we don't feel like we're
judged and we're more at home. So I kind of wanted to create
something like that. And, and I've started it off and
I'm 55 episodes in and it's beengoing good.

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Yeah, man, you, you have a lot of stuff too.
And I was, you know, I was kind of digging through that and, you
know, kind of getting, you know,more towards the beginning, you
know, before the podcast and before you started putting this
stuff down in audio format. You know, you said you grew up
in an Indian school and you wentto an Indian school.
What was that like, man, you know, growing up?

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It was really good out there. And Shamal and then school, see,
that's the second boarding school I went to.
I went to the boarding school onmy res too.
But today the boarding schools are more geared toward like
catering to the native student, right?
Like there's a lot more history there.
There's a lot more, how would I say it?

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The education is geared toward the native way.
I guess, like you have teachers that'll support you, like, hey,
you guys sign up. There's a drum group right here.
They're having drum practice or,you know, things like that.
There's going to be a sweat lodge this weekend if anybody
wants to go over just to put outthe word, you know, they're
going to be down there and starting at this time.

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And that's kind of how the school went.
It was like that. It was, it was pretty good.
It was really good. Yeah, where I'm, where I'm from
in Tahlequah, we have Sequoia High School and, you know, it's,
you know, it's got dorms and allthat and all that stuff.
So I'm a little bit familiar, but I just thought it was always
interesting, you know, to hear from different parts of the
country, especially you hear allthose ghost stories out in these

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different older, you know, boarding school type places.
And you know, when you're at those schools, what were some of
the ghost stories or stories that you were hearing from
different people? Well, some of them would be
like, you know, they would talk about different spirits from
where they were from. Like I would hear of little

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people from Alaska. I would hear of skin.
I really don't want to say that the Skinwalker, I don't mind
saying it, but. You know, because it's not my
tribe, but still there's a stigma around that.
So I guess for all intents and purposes, I'll just say
Southwest on this podcast. But I would hear stories of

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them, these things they call stick people or stick endings.
I remember them saying they werecalled different sorts of little
people. You know, I've heard of and
alcohol, spirits, things like that.
I would, I would hear a lot about stuff like that.
And the school itself kept us supplied with their own

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experiences. You know what?
We used to look out, my roommateand I used to look out across
the to the cafeteria from our dorm room at night.
And we always heard stories of people like, yeah, if you stare
over there, you know, late at night for long enough, you'll
eventually see things moving around.
Well, there's so many different beings like that, entities like

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that. You know, there's a horseman dog
man, there's a goat man. I've even heard of this Bunny
man, believe it or not. Sounds really strange and goofy.
But yeah, Bunny man, there's allthese different things like
that. And you know, of course you got

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the emojit to be too. That Bigfoot.
They, they're all these man ape.They're always these things,
half man have something or or whatever.
But I think myself that they're,they're spirits, but they have
the ability to become physical. You know, they have that ability

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to, to walk this, this land if they want, But I don't think
they can do it all the time. You know, they, they do come
here. They are seen, but they can
disappear just like that too, just out of thin air.
They can influence things here, but you know, by like goat man

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can get you to go gamble. He can get you drunk.
He can, you know, encourage you to do misdeeds, things like
that. You'll see him, you'll be
talking and you'll buy you drinks at the bar, that kind of
thing. So these other ones too, having
ability to influence things going on here, but they ain't
real, you know, like, as we think real, like humans are

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real. They're not like us, you know,
what we perceive to be real. They're, they're like spirits,
but they have the ability to influence things to, to appear
real, to even grab you, throw you, you know.
But like I think with Bigfoot, Ithink there's, I think there's a
physical 1 of it that, you know,I must hide or got medicine that

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can disappear, do these things. And there's also a spirit, just
straight spirit of those too, you know, those are the ones
that become the helpers of certain holy people, things like
that. You know, they have Bigfoot
medicine, you know, so I think it's a wide spectrum.
But in in general, I think they're all spirits is what I
think. And they have the ability to

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turn real except for that, that Bigfoot, I think.
I think the ones that are just straight physical have really
powerful medicine, you know, if they're not in, if they're not
in spirit. You know, I believe the same
thing. You know, I just that's one
thing that I was, I had people misquote me a little bit to say,

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oh, it's, you know, you think it's a tribe of people as
Cherokees, we believe that are. Kind of a.
Secret tribe type of, you know, thing where they, they're their
own, you know, they have their own ways of life and, you know,
they understand how to evade us and they know how to disappear.
And one thing that I always findinteresting about Bigfoot is

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there's people that say, oh, well, you know, they have, they
have cloaking ability, like theycan just snap, you know, and,
and go invisible. And they they try to do the
scientific thing where it's like, Oh, well, you know, if
it's standing next to a tree andit turns its head and the
sunlight hits just right and they can disappear, you know,

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but I've heard stories, you know, back especially like
before, you know, things are thehow are you know how they are
now of people basically sitting on one and they think it's a
stump and they get up and they kind of turn back and there's
nothing there. And what, you know, the stump
they sat on was a Bigfoot. You know, that what's what's a

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crazy legend, you know, that I always like to talk about
because it's interesting to me is there's a man named Chito
Harjo and he was on the run fromthe federal agents during I
think prohibition era. I think is what he was doing.
But he had snake gang in my my ancestor Edward Scott was a part
of that, that snake gang. And, you know, Chitto would

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would talk about Bigfoot bringing him medicine and
showing him how to quote, UN quote cloak or, you know,
disappear basically, or, you know, turn into a stump or, or
become a Bush or, you know, and my grandpa always said this
growing up, he said if you don'twant to be seen, you have the

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the ability to not be seen. And I always thought that was
interesting, you know, kind of, you know, that whole dynamic
with with Bigfoot. Yeah, because you can't measure
medicine with any of these science tools that we have
today. That's not how you measure that.

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You know, there's is there a wayto measure it?
I have no idea. But you can witness it and you
can experience certain medicines.
You can see that they do that a lot of times they're, you know,
they're called miracles and other religions miracles, how
they do that and that that's what that is, you know, because

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that Emily to be he's more, he'smore in tune with nature than we
are. You know, if we're just
measuring his bushcraft versus our bushcraft, he's it's like we
might as well just be newborns and he's a well educated older
man. They are so good at, you know,

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living with nature and all that.And, and when you live out there
with nature, that's where all the life forces, that's where
all the spirits are. Of course, you're going to
start, you know, being closer tothose spirits and they'll teach
you things and you'll be able tolearn from them.
Because in our way, we live in this duality where we have this
physical world and, you know, that spirit world and they,

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they, a lot of times they're connected, you know, so those
spirits do come around. People that are humble that
don't you don't like say, say this, you need to be like, if I
was to compare it to us, say there was people using medicine
in bad ways, it would come back really hard on them.
I suspect that they have the same set of rules they have to

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abide by when using medicine. That's why they're not, you
know, creating tornadoes to justdevastate a whole town because
that would go against, you know,their medicine.
So they can't do that. They're not allowed to do that
or sort of go away. They'll just disappear.
They'll take it back. So I think they kind of have the
same sort of restrictions that we do.

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And a lot of times, I mean, here's a story of an old story
of expanding Sun calf who got ina fight with his dad up in
Canada and he end up hitting hisdad and knocked him down,
knocked him out, thought he had,you know, killed him.
So he, he took off and those Mounties were chasing him and he

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hidden one of those old death lodges where they had the bones
in there just kind of all piled up in there.
He hid under a lot of those. He could hear those mounties
coming around, coming around. And finally they left and he, he
was too scared to get up. So he, he just stayed in there.
And when he stayed in there, he,he was hearing voices.

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There are people talking. He's like, yeah, let's take pity
on him. He came here for a reason.
Let's help him. And in another voice, I'd say,
no, no, let's just kill him. Yeah, we're just going to kill
him. Yeah, Yeah, we're just going to.
They just kept talking and finding you because he thought
he had, you know, made his dad pass away.
So he says, well, if you're going to do that to me, then do

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it. And then the other ones start
talking. Oh, let's help him.
Let's help him. So that night they gave him a
bunch of medicine. Those different spirits gave him
medicine. One of them was to to unlock any
lock, to go invisible, to travelto doctor to heal people.
Like I want to say he had that, that doctoring that that fixes

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pregnant women. You know, when you're carrying a
child, you can't use a lot of medicine.
We had that medicine to heal them.
Different things He got well, he, he finally went and turned
himself in and he had all these medicine pouches like around his
neck and the stockade that they put him in was just a hole in
the ground. So all you could do is just

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stand up walk in a little circleand it's just a bench carved out
of the the dirt. And they had him in that for
longest time and they got a new,a new, what is that called guard
or whatever prison guard there. And and these were Indians too.
They were that older. And then just kind of looking at

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that younger guy says, why is hewearing that stuff?
Nobody gets to wear things like that.
We should take it from him. He said, I might take it.
And so he did. He took it from him and he was
just going to bring it to his house and you know, like store
it so it wouldn't get lost in that place, I imagine.
But jeez, he was riding his horse home.
It was gone. He couldn't find it was gone.
It wasn't in his jacket no more.And when he gets back the next

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day, he's he's just kind of walking around in a down there
and he's got his medicine pouches on and they had him
shackled too. And the shackles are off and
he's just kind of walking arounddown there.
And so he stayed there for like 3 years.
Dang. And he figures not in just that
they move him out too, but you know, all over the place in

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there they would. But that was one of the places
they kept him too, was in that that hole.
So they would move him out and put him in a regular cell and
whatever. But one day he said, I, I think
I stayed here long enough. I think I'm going to leave
tomorrow like I've done my time.This is fair for what I did.
And you know, because he didn't,I'm alive.
His dad, he just thought he did.So he's like, all right, so I'm

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just going to I'm going to probably head out tomorrow.
He's in there doing count. That one time they were doing
head count, he wasn't there. And so they start riding the
direction they know he lived andthey seen him crossover this one
hill and they'd ride up to that hill and he was just walking by
the time they crested that hill and they were getting ready to

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ride down on him, She'd just been over that hill.
Jesus would be Plumb across thatvalley just going over the next
hill and they couldn't catch himbecause he had that ability.
And finally they, you know, he, he went back again and he left
again. And this time when he left
again, he'd just make himself totally invisible.
They'd just ride right by him. He'd just keep walking and get

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home. He end up living his life out
in, in Glacier, Canada, up that way.
And he married into the Cree tribe and he doctored those
creeps for a long time before hefinally passed away.
But you know, that's medicine. Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
That's. Like, big food medicine right
there. Yeah, yeah.

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Man, yeah, that's that's like, you know, it's just crazy cuz
you saying that, you know, I don't know why, but you ever
heard of the Oklahoma Girl Scoutmurders?
You heard of? Heard of that?
No, I haven't. So there's a Cherokee guy, Leroy

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Hart. Is he, I guess allegedly.
I'm gonna say allegedly, but buthe had murdered these girl,
these these girls at this camp. And he was on the run for quite
some time. But what he would do, and they
said that he, he, he had that medicine, that kind of evade.

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And there'd be times where he just, he'd be sitting across the
police station just kind of hanging out, you know, and the
police would be like, oh, we gothim.
We can get him right now. And so they'd go and go try to
go get him and, and they'd look over, he's like on down the way,
you know, like he's just just far enough.
But yeah, that that reminded me of that.

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And and you know the one thing, and I'm sure you have a plenty
of Bigfoot, but have you heard any stories about Bigfoot kind
of being evil or kind of being, you know, not, not the not the
nicest. Yeah, there are stories of that.
You know, the ones that come to mind, though, are are really.

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Well, All right, I'll tell this one.
Jeez, can I hate to tell this one.
Here we are. OK, so here is the sky back
home, and I'm keep it really general early in general.
I have a friend that was talkingto me about this.

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Seen the pictures. Talk to this gentleman that this
happened to told me the whole story cuz he actually
investigated it told me what happened there.
And so according to my friend this is what happened.
But I know the guy this happenedto personally I know him as
well. And OK, so as it goes his he

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keeps getting bothered at his house where he where he'd hunt
and he'd have his deer hanging that would get stolen.
Doors back there would get brokeopen.
Things are getting disturbed and, you know, kind of being a
nuisance. And then one day his dog end up

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killed and thrown on his front porch.
And that must have really kind of pissed him off last straw.
So he posted up and he waited and he waited and he waited and
he waited. He had his rifle with them and
one of those Imoyitipis came outand he he shot it and it goes

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down and this huge one comes out.
So he figures he shot a female, this huge one comes out and it's
holding, holding it in its arms and it's screaming, like
screaming at the sky, like it's really sad.
And this guy starts taking pictures of all this, taking

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pictures of this. And that thing stands up and
carries that body off. And right after that, things
pick up. I mean, even his, his horse was
killed and thrown on his front porch after that and a lot of
other things have happened. And he had pictures of all of
these things that were going on there and what happened with all

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that. And so, yeah, at at times, I
don't know if they're bad, but mean to kill a dog and it's
still on your. I think that's bad, man, That's
terrible. So, yeah, some of them can be.
But see, traditionally these these people, because, you know,

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we most natives will describe them as a people.
We won't say that they're an animal because they're not an
animal. You know, they're they're like a
people. They're their own people.
They predate us. You know, one other word
translates to the nowhere people.
We don't, you know, there's they're nowhere.

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And another one is don't know where they come from translates
to that too. So they've been here for a long,
long time. But what they used to do for us,
my tribe is when you go out and you'd fast, they would protect
you out there that make sure no bears, mountain lions,
Wolverines, you know, any anything going to get at you

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enemies. They would keep you safe out
there while you're fasting or for people that don't really
know what that is. The other word to use a
mainstream is vision quest, but it's fasting is what we call it.
And so they would protect you while you're doing that.
It kind of cleared out and make sure that you're all right and

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you get back OK. You know, when you're fast goes
good. But they would be in the in the
in the background, You know, they're there, they're just
watching over you. But that was one of the, you
know, traditionally the, the, I guess, role they played in the
average black, black feet life was was that, you know, aside

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from the medicines and things like that.
Yeah, I mean, that's, you know, I, I've heard stories of them
being out. You know, there was, I can't
remember what I have this, I have the audio, but I can't
remember exactly what tribe thiswas.
But they were doing, they're outthe grounds of the ceremonial

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grounds and they had that drum go on and that and all of a
sudden they look over and there's, you know, Bigfoot, you
know, kind of on the edge of theclearing.
You know, they could see him andhe was out and it was sitting
there swaying like it was swaying to the drum, drum beat.
Have you heard anything like that or heard anyone tell a
story about that? Yeah, the swaying.

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My wife seen one when it was doing that, but it was up in a
tree and it was like standing onone branch reaching above its
head and it was swaying but making that whole tree move and
it end up chasing her out of there.
Long story short, it paced her. She was running on this dirt
road and it was in the trees andit was a short one like small

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she said, but really powerful. That thing was powerful when it
jumped that 30 feet down and barely made any noise.
Said it should have been a big giant crash but it wasn't.
And she was out picking peppermint by the slew and when
it jumped well she said it got quiet.
That's it got her attention. So it got so quiet even, you

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know, all the even the insects said I couldn't hear the river
anymore. Isn't that really quiet?
That's what I heard, that swishing sound.
I looked up and I seen it and itwas looking at me.
Then it kind of tilted its head,cocked its head sideways like,
you know, hmm should I or shouldI not?
She said it really scared that Isaid, well, did its face look

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like ape like or human like? No, it's human, like really
human. And said it was short, though it
was really short, but powerfullybuilt.
And since all of a sudden just dropped from that tree, that's
when I bolted. And it was this toying with me.
So it could have caught me, it could have could have harmed me,
but it chased me all way back upto that house.

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Man. Yeah, there's, there's so many
of those things around, you know, like uncut, Savage was
saying. Like there's a spectrum of them
there, you know, because of thatbalance that exists in the
universe, there's always going to be some good and some bad and
everything in between. You know, some of them want to
raise hell, some of them want tohelp.

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Some of them don't want nothing to do with nothing.
But you go further north into Alaska, they're really mean.
They're, you know, like aggressive, really aggressive.
Listen to those Alaskan stories about him.
Those natives up there, older, they're mean.
You know this one guy got a rockthrown right at his head.
If he didn't lean down to grab his to tie his shoe, that would

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have taken his head off. He said he was really lucky that
day, but they got the heck out of there.
Wasn't even a Pebble. It was like AI bet.
It was like a boulder, Yeah. I'll tell you what got me into
it, was I It would have been in November of 1994.
I'd moved down here with my cousins to go to college and I

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just absolutely love to deer hunt.
And during October of that year I had gotten my first deer with
a bow and we was excited and everything and we haunted this
little farm. It was an old guy that he would
go down to Florida for the winter.
So a buddy of ours, he kind of watched over the farm.
So we got permission to go in there, you know, as long as you

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don't tear nothing up. So basically we was all going in
there to hunt, but we were watching out for the place too,
at the same time. And so me and my cousins back
then I didn't have, I didn't have a tree stand and I do now.
I hunt now a tree stands and I didn't have a climber or
anything that I haunted down on the ground.
And it was opening day. It was opening day of gun

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season. And when we left the house, we
left an hour early because we wanted to get there before
daylight because we figured theywould run the some, you know,
the other hunters would run the deer into US, you know, in the
little area where we was at. And so prior to to this, we had
went in there and scouted and everything.
And my cousins are going to hunton the outside edge of the

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field, you know, overlooking thefields to maybe get some shots
that you're running by on the field.
Well, I went inside the woods about AI don't know good hundred
200 yards, but I went back in the in the back of this little
woods and it connected up to this great big section of woods,
like a a deep section of woods. But in this area that I picked
out, I was standing up on a Ridge top and I was overlooking

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at an area that looked like a bowl, like, you know, like a
depression in the ground, a bowl.
And there was 4 Ridge tops that come in there.
And I was standing on one of them, but there was one to my
left. There was one to my right and
and one straight across from me.But if anything come in there,
they would come in within 30 yards and I'd have a perfect
shot, you know, perfect broadside shot.
If they come down any, any of the four ravines, I'd have a

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shot at them. So that morning when we left the
house, it was, it was real foggy.
And down here where I'm at, the fog is really, really bad.
Like it's like driving in a bowlof milk when you're trying to
drive through this stuff. It's like you got to go real
slow and turn your rights off and try to, you know, make your
way down the road. Well, this was one of those
particular mornings when it was just super, super foggy and it

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was overcast as well. I remember that.
And when it's overcast and foggy, it's not only not only
dark, it's dark dark. Like you can't see your hand in
front of your face or nothing. And so I decided when I went in
in the woods, I was young and dumb and stupid and I, I
probably shouldn't have done this, but I decided I wasn't
going to use, I wasn't going to use a flashlight going in the

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back in that wood. So yeah.
That's crazy. Yeah, it is.
So I, I'm in the dark and I'm feeling my way back back there
and I get about halfway back andI hear something.
And so I, I, I flashed the lighton and I just kept it down,
pointed at the ground, flashed the light on thinking maybe it's
100. You know, I didn't want to get
shot, so I flipped it on. I know it's stupid, but I
flipped the light on and it lit everything up around me and I

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could see a doe and a little 1 standing up on a like a little
rise to my left. And so I shut the I shut the
shut that flashlight off real quick.
And I thought, I'm just going to, I thought, man, I've already
spooked them out of here becausethey kind of they kind of took
off when they seen me. So I thought, man, I've already
bloated. I've, I've run them out of here,

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but I'm just going to keep on going because I'm, I want to
hunt, you know. So I get back there, I get all
the way back to the back, find my spot still in the dark.
And that in this particular spotthat I found, there were 4 trees
coming up and out of the, the ground.
And you could get kind of in themiddle of these 4 trees and you
had like a little natural blind there.
So I get in there, I set my, I was using old 20 gauge Remington

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pump shotgun with a slug barrel on it.
And I leaned it up against the, the tree and I'm standing there
in the dark. And, you know, when you're
standing in the dark, I mean, time, you know, time, you don't
know really what the time is, you know, because it could be a
minute or two or whatever. But it seemed like I was there
for maybe, maybe 10 minutes at the most.
And off to my right, where this Ridge, Ridge is to my right, is

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that where the deepest part of the woods is?
And I hear movement coming. And I'm thinking, oh, man, this
is going to be good because the hunters must be moving in here
and there. They're trying to run the deer
in here or they're going to run the deer in here to me, you
know? And so this thing comes down the
hill and it gets right past me. It gets just right past me.
And probably, I don't know if you're looking at the clock,

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it'd probably be at about the 11O clock position just past me.
And it's standing there and it got real quiet.
And so I'm, I'm looking down in the dark.
You know, you can't see it at this point in time.
You can't see a silhouette, nothing.
You can just hear hear walking down in there.
So it's no more than 20 yards. It may have even been a little
closer than that to me. And so I'm looking down in there

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and then all the sudden these eyes, I just appeared in the
dark and they was glowing and they were like an amber color,
like an amber yellow color. And they had these, they had
these black slits in them. And when I first saw it, my
first thought was, are you really seeing this?
And you know the best, my best way to describe it to you is

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they were about the size of a, like a tennis ball maybe.
And they were, I don't know, they was probably 6-8 inches
apart. And they, we're probably up, I'm
guessing they was probably up off the ground about 8 feet.
And, and so it's looking right up.
It looks right up at me and when, and I'm thinking to
myself, am I, am I really seeingthis?

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Am I really seeing this? You know, like it's not
computing. And I'm thinking, the only thing
I can think of that looked like it was Felix the cat.
You remember those old clocks? That's the Felix the cat with
the eyes that move back and forth.
Well, that's what it looked like, but a yellow like ambery
color to it. And so I'm sitting there looking
down at it and then while I'm looking at it, all of a sudden,

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it's not like I don't know it's they call it mine speak or
whatever. I don't know, maybe mine mine's
playing tricks on me or whatever.
But I thought at first I thought, well, that somebody's
coming here with coal miner lights on and they're messing
with me trying to run me out of here, you know, But the thing
about the eye shot, it wasn't eye shine.
It was like a bioluminescence, Iguess you could call it.

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So it was lit up, you know what I'm saying?
It didn't light anything up around it.
That was the weird thing about it.
Yeah, that is, yeah. Yeah, it didn't light anything
up around it, but it was lit up itself.
That makes sense. And so I'm sitting there looking
at it and then I get this message and it says, I just
wanted you to know that I was here.
And then it, it either closed its eyes or turned its head and

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looked the other direction. And then it started walking off
and it just walked and it went straight up the hill to my left.
And then I could hear it going on out into the field.
And that's something that I, I've always found odd about this
whole thing is, and I know people ain't going to believe
this, but this is the God's honest truth.
I didn't run, I didn't get scared.

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I was so bewildered and thinkingwhat in the world?
And I just see, I just stayed right there and I haunted, I
haunted the whole time. But I never told anybody that
story ever. And never especially my cousins
that were with me. They were on the outside and I
never told them word 1 of that story.
So that happened. And then I had a friend, he was

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a Vietnam vet, and I hung out with him for, for a while and he
was my neighbor, you know, and he'd come down and we'd talk and
this nap and stuff. And this one time he was
talking, we got to talk about Bigfoot one time.
And he was telling me where the river is here where I live.
He said a buddy of his, he said it would have been in the 70s.

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He said his buddy was running commercial Nets in the river.
You know how they, they got those big hoop Nets that they
catch fish in and they have to, you know, like they anchor him
down in the ground, tie him off to the bank and then they
harvest the, the fish or whatever.
Well, he was, he went to check his net and he got up, he got up
under a tree and he was pulling his net up.
And he's, this is what he said, a baby Bigfoot jumped in the

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boat and just about beat him to death.
And he shot that thing and killed it and he shot it and
killed it. He took it to the boat ramp.
He took it to the boat ramp and he called the game wardens
because he said that thing just about beat him to death and he
and he called the game wardens and he's he just about went to
prison over that whole ordeal. They made him shut up and the

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whole 9 yards. Man.
So that go ahead. I'm I'm processing that and
what, what, what year would thathave been?
It would have been in the 70s and I think I remember him
saying it was like 787778 or something like that.
Wow. And then this is and so he's a

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Vietnam veteran. Yeah, and it wasn't him.
It was a buddy of his that that that went down.
But it was somebody that he knewvery, very well that wouldn't
just make up a a story like that.
So what I'm getting at him, I'm telling, I'm telling you that
other people down here have seenhim as well.
So. Man, no IA 100% because
especially it's a different people, a lot of people don't

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really realize that today is notthe 70s.
That's why I wanted to know likethe time frame because it's just
because like they're not seeing things like that anymore.
Hardly. You don't hear those types of
stories and there's not a lot ofpeople who are just going out.
I think it's maybe you know the convenience of having a, a
Walmart, you know, half a mile down the road or you know,

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within a couple miles. Well, they've encroached,
they've encroached on a lot of wildlife and a lot, a lot of
wildlife areas. They've cut a lot of them down.
And just in the short time that I've been alive, I mean, I'm 52,
I remember, I, I remember this like the late 70s, early 80s and
everything was so much more wildthan it is now.
And when I say wild, I mean, there was more trees back then.

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They, there wasn't like subdivisions that they put in or
nothing like that. There was a lot more wilderness
at that time, but they've, but we've since lost that and we're
put and they're pushing them, you know, whatever these things
are, they're pushing them into like areas where I'm at now
where there's, you know, there'sthousands of acres of forest
that nobody ever goes in, you know what I mean?
Yeah. And and so to kind of get back,

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so you heard that story and he told you that story.
What other things did he did he tell you about?
He told me he lived down in an area down around the Vincennes
area, but it was it's called Decker Chapel is the name of the
place that's his most that's themost information that I'm going
to say about where I'm at. But anyway, he told me that when

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he was a kid, his dad, they would go to town and there was
an old man that would come into town and his dad kind of
befriended, was friends with this old man.
And his dad told him, he said, he said buddy said if that old
man tells you something, he saidyou can believe it because he's
not a man of many words and he don't just like to talk to
anybody if if that makes sense to you.

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And so he he told me he got to talking to that old man one time
and he said he was telling him he was down on the river and he
was fishing and it was getting to be evening time.
And he said he watched the Bigfoot come down the bank and
start noodling for catfish, reaching up underneath the
riverbanks trying to catch catfish.

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So yeah, that was another one that I had heard.
Man, so he, so he was out. He's out in the middle of
nowhere. He's, he's just seeing all types
of animals. Did he mention anything,
anything else other than Bigfootbeing out there?
No, pretty much that was about that was about the the gist of
that. He didn't nothing else that I
know of that that was the only story he ever told him.

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He told me about that. But there was another time and
that we went on the river where I told you that guy that thing
had jumped in the boat and the Bigfoot baby.
He said it was a baby Bigfoot. I, I, you know, who knows what
it was, but I couldn't see somebody making up a story like
that, that, you know, 'cause it Bud, Bud knew him and saw how
shook up he was when it happened.
So he, Bud, it happened when Budwas around.

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So Bud knew that what was going on.
But anyway, me and Bud, we get in a boat and we head down the
river and that's around time he was telling me some of those
stories. And there was this place where
along the river that we would goto and there was a Rockwall and
we, we'd have to take a, we go down the, the main river and
then we'd have to take a little like a Creek that flowed into

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it. We'd take it the boat up into
that probably about 100 yards orso.
And then we get out and then we go up in the big timber there.
And there was a bluff up in there.
And where, where this bluff was?It had riding on the, on the
wall there from 1790s. So like people that would come
down the river, they would, would stop there and then they'd
make camp and then they'd etch their names on the, the wall and

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this and that. And it's really, really neat
place to see. But what had happened there was
there, there's a lot of limestone down in this area.
And there was a great big, I'm telling you, this was a, it, it
looked like a big boulder, but it was a, is the size of a
house, if you can imagine that. And this thing broke off of that
Rockwall and it hit the ground and it created a cave underneath
the underneath this rock. And so he took me up in here and

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showed me all that. And so when he was in Vietnam,
he was a he was a sniper. So he was good at sneaking in
places and sneaking out quiet, you know.
And so we, we go in there, we sneak in there and I go in and
look at The Cave and I thought, well, I'll just go back in there
and check it out, you know. So I walked in and and looked at
it. And then I come back to where he

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was at because he was stayed along the edge of the riverbank
and I see him and he is intentlylooking like he can hear
something or see something goingon.
And I walk up there and I kind of whispered to him.
I said, I said, what's going on,Bud?
And he threw his hand out like, like be quiet.
Like be, be quiet. And so I'm standing, we're
standing there and we're watching across the river.
And here comes six or seven deerrunning right down along the

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edge of the river and coming right behind him.
It stayed in the woods. I don't know how far it was back
up in the woods, but it was backalong where they was at.
You can see, you can catch a glimpse of them running, running
between the trees, just one right after another.
And here come this thing and it's knocking trees overcoming
right behind them. And then deer turn and they head
right into the end of the woods and right straight across from

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us. But man, whatever that thing was
like we was watching the trees fall down right behind whatever,
whatever they were chasing thosethings.
I, I don't, it could have been aBigfoot.
I think I probably was because the area where the that was at,
it was about 03 or 4000 acres ofwoods.
And it takes a good to drive back in there, would take you

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probably about 20 minutes to getback into there along the river.
And there's no houses or anything in there.
But I I'd have no idea what thatwas.
Man, I mean, and that's one thing, you know, especially with
him, I always, you know, I always have a lot of respect
for, you know, for Vietnam Veterans and like for for
people. That's one thing about your the

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stories or the stories that his story specifically is that to
survive Vietnam, you got to be abad man.
Like you got to be, you got to be somebody who you know, can
survive. And and so one thing that's very
interesting to me, did he, did he, I guess teach you any, you
know, mate, like you said, sneaking up on things and.

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He taught me a lot of he he was like a like a mentor to me.
He taught me a lot of things. Oh yeah, my dad was in Vietnam
too. And my dad, I don't he like I
was telling you her before the show that my dad's got some
Native American in him. And you know how like in the in
the fall when your deer hunting the woods is it seems like it's

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almost a foot thick with leaves that are crunchy and you know,
you a little squirrel or chipmunk, they can't even move
without making a noise. So might me and my dad was
hunting 1 morning and he off to my right.
He is where he was hunting and he was probably hunting a good,
I don't know, 100 yards away from me.
And he, he had to come all the way across those leaves to get

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up to me. And I should have heard him
coming. And I was looking, I looked over
in that direction, didn't see him.
And I closed my eyes and I looked down at the ground and
just for a split second and I looked, I heard something.
I and he stepped his foot down and he was standing right in
front of me. He never made one sound.
Man. Never made one sound.

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Those guys are tough, man. Yeah, that's, that's what I was
thinking too, when you're I was like, oh, he's a Vietnam veteran
and he's out here, you know, just kind of being, you know,
silent but deadly in these, you know, these Indiana woods.
You know, I just thought that was that's really cool.
And what do you think Bigfoot is?
I think he's, it's flesh and blood creature and I think it
has abilities that we as human beings don't have.

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And what my after I've had that encounter, I want to, I just,
I've been trying my best to get a look at them, to have an
encounter with them. And I know that sounds stupid,
but I want to because I believe that I believe they're good.
And I know people think some people think they're bad and I
believe there could be good onesand bad ones, but I think they

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know how to camouflage yourself so well that they have it's
almost like magic And it, if we could learn, if we could learn
from these, you know, we could become better human beings.
You know what I'm saying? If we could learn from the
Bigfoot. So that's what I'm I, I think
they're real and I believe they,where I think they live is I
think they live underground and I believe they live underground.

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Like a, like a Beaver would makea, like a nest underground.
And possibly that because they see them in the Creek around the
creeks and small ponds and they could Burrow up underneath a
Creek bank or a riverbank and oreven up underneath a, a pond
bank. And like the area that I go to,
there's it's a bedrock Creek. So it's like got a solid bottom

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on it. But there's area there, areas
there where I can hear the waterfalling down to sound like it's
falling down 2030 feet down underground.
So if, and here's where, where Ithink they're at, I think
they're like I said, undergroundlike that.
But if, if something is that big, you know, weighs 1200 lbs
and you know how big they say they are and they're huge and

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they can lift, they can basically push a tree, a full
grown tree over or carry a tree or throw it or whatever.
Then they could pull big boulders out the side of a hill
and, and get in a cave and pull that thing back across the
entrance of it. And you'd never even know they
was there. You'd never get a crane back in
there big enough to pull a thingopen, you know what I'm saying?

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And and so and so with Bigfoot and so that's kind of given your
what you think, what do you think?
What do you think UF OS are? I think they're the maybe the
progenitors of life here on Earth and I think they, I think
the Bigfoot are a victim to themjust as we are and that they get

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upgrades just like we do. That's what I think.
But that's that's about all I can say about that right now.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
And so let me let me ask you this.
So this is basically we get taken, we get taken and they get
taken. Does that make sense?
Yeah, and and. And they get abducted.
And so about it abductions, that's where I was kind of

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leading you. I was hoping you'd you'd
mentioned something like that. And so the connection, you know,
the obviously the title of this,of this live stream, this
podcast episode is the connection between Bigfoot and
UFOs. Can you, can you give me, you
know, maybe what you think or what you know of what that
connection is? They use them, they, you know

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how this all goes back to UFO abduction, abduction, Ufology.
And there are accounts where people are on board and they see
them, them on board as well. And they, they say like if you
were in a state forest and they talk about the 411 people
missing in the state forest, sayif there was a craft that was

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hovered over the state forest inan area where it's a remote,
nobody hardly ever goes in there.
And somebody goes in there to encroach.
You know what I'm saying? They, they go in there and they
encroach into their area where their perimeter is.
These things are these things are become under their control
and they can control them to go out and abduct people.

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Does that make sense? Yeah, I mean, and that's, that's
interesting. I've heard of this is kind of a
crazy and it kind of pertains todog man too as well.
And I've heard this theory kind of passed around over the last
probably year. Is that the the the orbs that we
see the UFO paranormal type entity or whatever that could be

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is that it's like a runoff effect that like the UFOs have
some type of control or some type of say with the Bigfoot's
in the Bigfoot have a say on thedog man.
Have you heard anything about that?
The the orbs, from what I've been told is they are a
sophisticated drone that comes in, they, they're the scanning

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devices that come in the area and they scan the device before
an abduction is going to take place.
And, and you know, you know the rods that they talk about
seeing. You know what the rods are.
Yeah, I've, I've heard of them. Could you explain it to the
audience? The rods are they, they catch
them on film and they move so fast.
People think sometimes that they're bugs or whatever, but
there's, there's a lot of stuff out there you can, you can watch

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on them. But those rods will, they'll,
they'll dart in and dart out of the, the area and right before
an abduction, they'll see those and they'll see orbs.
And there's, there's video footage where you'll see orbs in
the House of ductees. And they say that those will
come in the house. And basically it's, it's like

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they're scanning the area for danger.
You know what I'm saying? And they can, and they can come
in in a second and scan the whole area.
That because their technology isso much more sophisticated than
us. And I had AI had a doctor that
told me that she, she was abducted as a child.
And before the abduction happened, an orb, an orb came

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down the hallway in her and wentinto her mom and dad's room,
looked over there and then came into her room.
And then she was abducted. And when she when they brought
her back, they put her in bed and she was like banging her
head on the wall like she had like, like they had just pulled
her through the wall. You know what I'm saying?
Whoa. So, and, and that's, that's

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that, that's a doctor that stilltold me that.
So I mean, they just don't make stories up like that, you know
what I mean? Because yeah, they don't want to
be the the kooky Dr. But yeah, they don't want.
To be the crazy person like his.Right.
Because like that, yeah. Her business?
Absolutely. But they, you know, friended me
in in such a way that they, you know, they knew that I would

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hold their secrets for him. But I mean, I didn't give you
any names or anything, but thereyou go.
That's just fine you. Know and I, you know, and that's
the thing I, I, I hate sometimesabout this people say, oh, that
my source says this and my source says that and I'm doing
it to protect people that I knowbecause I know that that's

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things can go wrong real quick because I've seen them, I've
seen them in the area monitoringthings the, you know, like the
game wardens, they're involved in it.
In what way let me? Ask you in what way, I'll tell
you exactly what way I went intoI took my mom mushroom hunting
one time and we went into this state forest and what had

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happened was it would it been kind of cold, but the we had
some rain and it was in April solike the temperatures like the
warmest it got would've been about 45°.
So this was early mushroom season so like it would been
like 20s at night and it get up and it started we had a week
where it got into maybe like 40sand at noon, you know, but it'd
be like 30° at night or whatever.

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And so the water came up in thisplace along the Creek bed and it
had pushed the cleaves out. And so I didn't want my mom
falling. I wanted to have a clear, a good
place to walk around to look formushrooms, you know, And we
thought we'd get there a little early and get to jump on
everybody. And so I ended up going in this,

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got ahead of a little bit and I got in this Creek bed.
I did about 1/2 circle. And then I come up in this
little washout and as soon as I get up in this washout, they say
there's some kind of a weather phenomenon that happens when,
when this, when Bigfoot's aroundor whatever.
Now, can I prove it? I, I can't, but I can just tell
you what happened to me. The wind starts whipping up just

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as I step up on that out of thatlittle washout.
I step up in it as like a littlejust look like a little cut
where the water rope comes down.So I step up in there and the
wind just all of the sudden it, I mean, it was went from looking
like a nice clear day, sunny, clear day to overcast and the
trees are whipping around like there's a tornado coming through

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there. And as I'm as as that happened,
I can hear something just hauling to the north of me.
It's just going crazy running through the woods, knocking
trees over. I heard it breaking branches and
going and it it didn't sound like a deer to me.
I've I found it for over 30 years and I know what a deer
sounds like running through the woods and that's not what I
heard in this. So as I I hear that noise run

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running and it was running into a pine thicket and I looked down
and down in the the dirt, refreshed dirt where the leaves
had had pushed out was a perfectfootprint and it looked like it
was 4 inches long and it was just one footprint.
It was one right footprint. And if that thing would have
took a step, it would have made another footprint.

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So I stopped and I'm looking at it and I and when you see a
little footprint like that, you think to yourself, well, there's
a there's a kid in here somewhere because it was just
fresh, man, like it was just made.
And so I, she yelled at my mom and I said, come, I said, come
up here where I'm at. I want to show you something.
And so she circled around and I said, make sure you circle way

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around because I don't want you to disturb the area in front of
me where we're at, because I'm going to track this and see if I
can, you know, find it. And so she come around and I, I
showed her and I said, what do you think that is?
And she, she said, I don't know.She said, that is weird.
I said, you think there's a little kid in here?
I said, I'm going to, I'm going to track it and see if I can't

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find, find this little kid. And so I spent probably about an
hour or so, you know, walking ahead looking, trying to find
it. I couldn't find nothing.
And so I finally looked at her and I said, you know what?
I think this was a gift that wasgiven to us.
And I think it I think it was probably a juvenile Bigfoot.
And so I told her, I said I'm going home and we're going to
get some plaster, you know, plaster cast and we're coming

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back and we're going to cast it.So I come back and I plaster
casted that thing and I took it to a Bigfoot conference and I
found this thing in 2018 and I met Cliff Brockman at this.
It was a Crypticon down in Kentucky.
And I, I had it in a shoe box wrapped up, you know, so it

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didn't break. And man, this thing looked
pristine. It looked really good and you
can see all the toes, everything, the arch of it,
everything. And so I took it and I, my, my
wife and my mom's watching CliffBrockman there.
And so as we're standing there, there's these people ahead of us
and he's got picture that looked, I mean, it was one of

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the best Bigfoot pictures I everseen.
And he looked at it and he, he looked at the guy and he said
nice try. Like just Pooh poohed him, you
know, like, yeah, that's a fake 1.
And so the guy left. And so I walked up there and I,
I just told him, I said, listen,I said I, I found something you
might be interested in. I said, I'm not claiming it,
it's anything I said, but it's, it was odd where I found it and

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I only found 11 footprint and there should have been more.
And so I opened the box and he starts looking at it.
My mom and my wife is watching him and he's getting excited
like looking at it and he startsexamining it and looking at it.
And then he looks at me and he'sgot like all this stuff on the
table and like books and autographed stuff and T-shirts.

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And he looked at me and he, he said, what would it take for me
to get that from you? And I said, I told him, I said,
well, if you want it, he I said,I just give it to you.
And he goes, I will give you anything on this table right now
for, for that, if you, if you would let me have it.
And I said, I will give it to you because you'll be able to do
more within a lifetime than I'llever be because you know, you've

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got good connections and everything.
So basically I ended up giving him the footprint and he wrote
an article of he wrote an article which you can find it on
his Cliff Brockman. It's in it's and if you go to
his web official web page, you can go there and look under
impressions and it's it says 2018.

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I think it's the last one on thelist.
But he wrote a really nice article about it and everything.
And he called me on the phone and told me it was one of four
of the smallest juveniles Bigfoot that footprints that
they'd ever found. And there's some kind of a
detail. There's some kind of a detail on
those tracks that they know about.
Like I don't, I think it's called a, is it a like a some

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kind of a like a hinge on the foot, You know what I'm saying?
They call it like a mid tarsal. Yeah, mid tarsal brake, yes.
And I take it that that had it on there, the mid tarsal brake.
And so Fast forward deer season the next year I'm I'm over at.
Well, no, let me go back I go that say it was the same year I

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went, I got a nice buck during your bow season and I went and I
turned him in and I was checkingin my deer out in the back and I
was talking. I befriended this guy 'cause I
take deer there all, all the time and whenever deer season's
in. And he was standing out there
and I said, well, where do you? I said, you been doing much

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hunting? He said, no, I ain't been doing
much. I said, well, where do you like
to hunt at? And he told me the county that
he liked to hunt in. And I said, dude, I said you got
to you got to look at this footprint that I found, man.
He said you, I told him, I said,you ain't going to believe this.
So I so I show him his footprint, he's and he's looking
at it and then he looks up at meand he and he just like, it just

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looks like the blood rushed out of his face, like he got pale.
And he said, he said I'm, he said, I'll tell you something
here in a minute. He's because he had to go back
in the thing. And so he, he laughed and he
waited because there were some people outside around us at the
time. And he, he waited till everybody
left and went inside the house or not the house, but the little
meat locker went in and he said he come back out and he told me,

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he said, dude, he said that place over there where you're
talking about, He said, I saw three of them over there.
And so then he started telling me the story about he saw a
male, he saw a Gray, it was a Gray male.
He saw a dark colored female anda little 1A baby one.
And they were while they were mushroom hunting.
And he said they threw rocks at him, at him and his buddy and

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him and his buddy both saw him. And so Fast forward to the after
the next be spring, I was at another I was at a rummy cell
with my wife and I was talking to a guy that was a real estate
agent and somehow we was talkingabout mushroom hunting and I
didn't say anything about the Bigfoot or nothing.

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And he starts telling me, you know my buddy that likes to
mushroom hunt, he was a mushroomhunting and he said he saw
Bigfoot come down the hill and he hurt him and he looked up and
seen him and he said they lockedeyes and he said it was a big
Gray, a big Gray one. And he said that thing saw him
and spun around and went back upthe hill.
He didn't try to attack him or nothing, but that's 2 two people

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in two different, you know, in the same area, but in two
different places that seen the Gray one.
And my neighbors that live across the street, they, he's a
preacher and then it's his wife and and his dad.
We're coming down our road and they have probably about 7 miles
north of where we're at was coming down the road and it was

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in the middle of the night and they was coming up a hill and
they saw somebody walking alongside the road.
And him being a preacher, they like to take care of like the
homeless people and, you know, help everybody out.
And when they first seen the guywalking down the road, they
thought it was because it was like late at night.
They thought, well, maybe he's this is a, this is a homeless
guy, you know, and he's going tostop talking to him.
And so the closer they get, the bigger he gets, the more a dirty

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and mangy this guy looks. And they get right up next to it
and he's walking in the oppositedirection that they're coming in
the other lane of the, the road he's walking.
And he, I don't know if you looked at him or not, but as
soon as they got right up there,they were looking out the
window. They had to lean down to look up
at him. That's how big he was.
And they said he just went rightup the right up the ravine, like

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the, the hill going off side of the road, which is pretty steep
in the area where they showed mewhere he went.
But they, he went up the hill, went down over the, the bank and
then headed towards the river bottoms.
So there's another river bottom connection and now that area
there, you know those lights I was telling you about those

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orange orbs or whatever they are, I see them, I still see
them to this day and I see them in that area.
And I, I sent you some video of that white one, the, the white
one that's taking off. There's if you watch that video
real close, you'll see the whitedisk, it'll shoot into the
clouds. And then if you look behind it,
there's two white Tic Tacs that follow right in behind it that's

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at a court that's at a quarter speed I had that's as slow as I
could get it to slow down. Dang, that was fast.
Too Yeah and when I I took that video, I took that video and it
I was getting ready to delete itand I thought, well, I better I
better look, I better look and see if there's anything on this
while I was at work. So I just pulled it out and I'm

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looking and boom, I seen that thing streak across the sky.
And here's the weird part about it, the area where I caught it,
I was with my wife. We were driving down the road.
The sky looked funny, like it was orangey, Just, it just
looked odd to me. And then I get that thought and,
and, and that feeling. I, I told my wife, I said, I
need to, I need to record this. I need to take a video of these

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clouds because I feel like they're around.
And that area where I got that video was right where I had that
encounter with the the eyes in the woods.
So that crap that you see right there, there's some, there's
some more proof that there's some high strangeness going on
in this area. Let me ask you this too.
Yes, I'm sorry. I'm just I want to go back to

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the question that I'm just I'm very I'm like I'm wanting to
know kind of what you think is the cover up of the park, Park
Rangers. What did Is that happening?
I think so. I think it is, but, but you
know, I got to think, I don't know if you've heard about the,
the, the elite hunting parties, you know what I'm talking about.
I I've, I have, I'm. That's kind of a how to say.

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I probably we probably shouldn'tmention.
It Yeah, I was about to say I was like, that's kind of a Dane.
But anyway, it's, it's going to be either one or two things.
It's either going to be that or it's going to be the, the UFO
things. And I I think they're using the
dog man and the Bigfoot to basically capture people in the
forest. I think that's what they're
doing. And when I say they're using

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them like they like all if you go to the abduction ufology
thing, like a lot of people try to poopoo it and you know, they
don't. But there's a lot of research.
If you get to research and you know who to look for, a lot of
that stuff has been taken down. But, and a lot of those people
were, were murdered or, you know, mysteriously come down
with illnesses or were hit by hit by cars or whatever.

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But they can take those people under control.
They can take human beings undercontrol and make them make them
walk on the ship. You know what I'm saying?
And do they? Do they they?
Did the game right? Do the game wardens have
something to do with this though?
Well, I was going to get get back to that.
OK, I'm sorry, yeah, I don't mean to, I don't mean to take
y'all. I just I'm so curious about
this. That's OK.
Well, when I met the, when I found that footprint and met

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Cliff Brockman or whatever, I met a guy that was, he lived in
Rhode Island and he ended up coming and he was, what he was
going to do was he was going to start on one side of the United
States and go through where there'd been Bigfoot encounters.
And he was, you know, traveling all the way to the West Coast,
you know, and what he was looking for was, believe it or
not, for the Bigfoot was he was looking for healing because he
had heard that they, they had, they was able to kill people.

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That's what, that's what his belief was.
You know, I, I don't think any bad about him or anything.
If I mean, if that's the way he thinks, that's the way he
thinks. So I met him and I was telling
him about the eyes that I seen in the woods and he wanted to
come and stay. And I said, I said I'd let him
camp out in the front yard and stuff.
And I told him, I said, if you want to, if you want to have an

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experience, we'll go down there.And I, I, I looked on Google
Earth where I figured that they might be in that state forest
area where me and my mom had found the footprint.
And so you're going to like thisone.
I took him, I took him to this place.
And so we go back in there and this was right after I found the
footprint and I took him in. I showed him the exact spot

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where I found it. You know, the water came up and
down so much it washed everything away.
So of course it wasn't there, you know, because it was months
and months later. So I'm looking and there's a guy
in the in your chat room here. His name is Bushwhackin with the
rooster. You can see him in the chat room
right there and he goes in and he looks for tree bins and axes

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and different things like different He looks for sign and
he tries to track, you know, so that's what we were doing.
We were going in looking for structure.
We looking for tree bins and anddifferent things.
So I go in there and I'm lookingand then we didn't find any tree
bins or anything. So I took him down to the this
road that we were on. If you go down so far on it, it
says the state Indiana no longermaintains this road.

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So it goes basically to a kind of a rougher, rougher Rd. and
you go back in there and there'sa campground back in there.
And so on Google Earth, I lookedto see where the, the largest
tract of land was. And I thought, well, if, if
there, it's going to be anythingin here, they're going to be in
this part of it because it's thedeepest part of the woods, you
know. And so we pulled in, we, we, he

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pulls his van in and what he hadwas he had like one of those
like AI don't know. It was like a sprinter van type
thing that he'd converted into atrailer And in the in his van it
he had his pots and pans hangingup, You know what I'm saying?
Like, and he had some things magnet magnetized to the wall so
it wouldn't fall off while he was driving.
But some of that stuff like if the vehicle would rock back and

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forth, it would shake and you know, like make no pots and pans
would clean or whatever if the vehicle would shake.
So he parks his van there and weget out, he gets a little fire
going. And when he had pulled in, there
was like a like a little potholein the parking lot where he
parked to where? It's that one of his back wheels
was off the ground, like it wasn't down in that down in the

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pothole. So like if you stepped up in
that van, it everything would sway in the van and it'd make a
lot of noise, you know, like there's a lot of rattles and
stuff going on. And so he, he gets the fire
going and he, he's, he's smokinga cigar and he cuts the back of
the cigar off and he's getting ready to throw that tobacco

(01:20:37):
away. And I said, I said, I said, can
I have that tobacco? And he said, yeah.
I said, what are you going to dowith it?
And I said, well, I'm going to, I'm going to offer the tobacco
to him and I'm going to say a little prayer.
And so I went over to the fire. I did the, the four directions
offered the tobacco told him, I said, we're not going to, we're
not going to try to record you. We're not going to try to take

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any pictures of you. We're not here to cause any
trouble. We just want to have a, have an
encounter with you. We want to know that you're here
and we come in peace and we wantto leave in peace, you know, and
then I, so then I tossed the tobacco in the fire or whatever.
And so Long story short, the fire goes down, it gets late,

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we're sitting at a picnic table and I just, I had a Native
American flute with me and, and I since then, we've learned
you're not supposed to whistle in the woods at night and.
So. I decided I'm going to play them
in a little tune, you know, likeI'm, I'm come in peace and I'm
going to play them a little tune, you know.
So I start playing the flute andthe fire gets basically just

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goes out and it's dark. You can't see nothing.
Like, you couldn't even see the hand in front of your face
because we're talking big timberhere, you know, like big oak
trees and old growth forests. What we're in.
So we're sitting there and I'm looking at him across the picnic
table. His van is right behind him.
Off to the left of me is a whereI parked at.

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And then off to the side the left of that is some trees
that's maybe about 6 inches in diameter.
And there's two of them that's sticking up, you know, kind of
like forked out or whatever. But you can see through, see
through those trees, but not, not in the dark.
You know what I'm saying? You can't see in the dark.
But anyway, that's the location.So as we're sitting there, I

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just happened to turn and I lookover towards my vehicle in the
in the pitch dark. And these blue, electric blue
eyes light up in the dark. And I said, look, I said they're
right there. I said he's right there.
And he looked over there at it and it was lean.
It had, it looked like to me, itleaned around those SAP, those
little sapling trees and it had its head cocked at an angle.

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And I and they, they were probably the, the eyes, those
eyes were about the size of 1/4,but they were almond shaped, you
know what I'm saying? Like the bigger round part would
have been towards the nose and then the point would have went
out towards the ears, you know what I'm saying?
But they were almond shaped and they were electric blue, if that
makes sense. But they didn't like, they
didn't light up to the extended where it lit anything up like

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the other eyes. So we're sitting there looking
at it and he starts talking to it.
And he said, thanks for coming and seeing us.
He said, I, I like your eyes. Your, your eyes are really
pretty. And this thing, this thing tilts
its head back and forth. You know how a dog, if it's very
curious, it tilted its head backand forth.
But this thing was at least, I would say at least 4 foot tall.
At least it wasn't like a it wasn't like a dog looking around

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the tree. They were silent.
And so those eyes go out and then I'm looking off behind him
and then between my car and his van, more eyes appear.
So I don't know if this thing walked over there in the dark or
if there was another one. And so we're, I'm looking at it
and I said, well, I said, there's one, there's a set of
them right there behind you. And so he, he looked over here,

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started talking to him again, started doing the same thing.
They was about the same height, about four feet tall.
And blue eyes, electric blue eyes.
And I, I don't, I've never seen anything like it other than
those yellow eyes that I saw in 94.
But anyway, those finally went out and then off to my right,
another set appeared. But I, I should have told you

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before that started when I hit that flute, we could hear
something down in the bottom talking back and forth and it
sounded like gibberish like likethat, like this ravine that goes
down, probably goes down probably a good eighty to 100
foot just down like like straight down.
And I, we can hear him down in the bottom.
And it sounded like it was kind of muffled, but it was it was

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kind of like the, oh, the what are they called the Sierra
sounds, you know, like that samurai chatter.
Well, it was like that. And you could hear him down in
there and it was like they was talking back and forth and
they'd be like, you know, back and forth.
But before that started, a big hoot owl thing started hooting
right, right beside us in the inthe dark and in this big tree.

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And after that thing hooted, it sounded like something slid down
the tree and then it jumped fromone side of the ravine to the
other and then hit with a great with a big thud, like you could
fill it in the ground. And so anyway, that happened.
So we're sitting there and that thing left or, you know, the
eyes went out or whatever. And so then one appeared to my
right and then that one went out.

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And so we were sitting in the dark for a while and we got to
talking and we were talking about something and it was like
something that was aggravating, you know, like an an aggravating
conversation of, you know, how like you talk to your buddy
about you frustrated about this or frustrated about that.
It was one of them conversation.And so he said, he thought to

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yourself, he said, well, maybe we probably should change the
subject and try to, you know, goback because they're probably
listening and they don't want tocome in because they think we're
getting aggravated or scared or whatever.
And so I played the flute one more time.
And when I did, I set it down onthe table and I, the hair stood
up on the back of my neck. And I told him, I said, dude, I

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said, I don't know how I know this, but I said, whatever those
things are, I said, they're right behind me.
And there was this little hill that kind of went up in the
woods right there behind me. And he looks up behind me and I,
I didn't even turn around and look.
He looks up behind me and he said, man, he said there's not
just one up there. He said, there's three of them.
And I turned and I look up the, I look up the hill and there's,

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there's three sets of eyes rightup right above the hill.
They're looking, looking down atus.
So then, so then those go out and then we are sitting there
again. And the last one that we saw
appeared behind his van and whenthe eyes went out, this thing
either got up on top of his van or got inside of his van and was
looking around because it shook his van.

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Whatever this thing was, it shook his van and that that
happened and. Were you scared at all?
No. Oh my.
Goodness. And I really wasn't.
And I've, and I've, but I'll tell you, I'm, I'm kind of, I
don't know why, but like, I usedto go down the river bottoms and
deer hunt and I'd bow hunt and Iwould bow hunt by myself.

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And it'd take me, it'd take me 20 minutes to walk along the
riverbanks in the dark, you know, and like most mornings,
we, I'd have moonlight to walk by, you know what I mean?
And we're talking like we're talking big acreage.
And I would walk in the dark by myself along the riverbanks.
I never really was scared, but there was, there's been times
when I've haunted, I've had things circle me or, or

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whatever. But I, I don't go out in the
woods now without a flashlight. I can tell you that.
But really, any of these encounters that I'm telling you
about, I know, I know people's going to say, yeah, right, you
know, that this is a lie or whatever.
It's not. It happened to me.
I can't Unsee it, you know, and I was not afraid.
And there is that part of the UFO connection, you know what

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I'm saying? Do they have a way that they can
calm you down? You know what I'm saying?
Because I would never was afraid.
I never was afraid of it. Man, I'd be, you know, I'd be
out of there and hang a lot. I know, I know most people, most
people. Well, that guy told me he he
basically told me he said you'reone of the bravest SO BS that
I've ever met. And this is an older man.

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You know that telling me this and.
Do you think that it's because it's, it's probably because of
your childhood and, and having amentor like the guy, the, the
vet, the Vietnam vet? Yeah, I think so.
Kind of just letting you know, hey, I see these things all the
time. This is how you, this is how you
interact with them. That to make it to where they

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don't try to run you off basically.
Right. Yeah, I think so.
I think so. But I've never ran.
I've never ran from anything like that.
Well. They never say.
They never say run like they always say Yeah, because like
they'll that's when they it's like the what is it the predator
prey instinct or whatever they call that just with any really
any animal, you start running, they go it's it's just something

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in them, I think. I had one the only, the only
thing that I've ever really beenscared of in the woods while I
was deer hunting is I was comingout one night and the coyotes
was all around and there was there was 14 of them that down
on the ground. And I had, I had, I had two
hunting knives on me and I, I had both hunting knives in my,
in my hands walking, you know, but that, that was, that's the

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scare, the most scared that I I'd ever been to get back to the
the game worn thing. So anyway, I saw those eyes or
whatever. And he traveled all the way
across country. Do you know who Greg Yost is
with Squatch Man? Then that sounds very familiar.
Well, he had stayed with SquatchMan before he came over here
where I'm at, and he had the same kind of experience with

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Squatch Man. He saw the same kind of eyes,
but they're the color of the eyes were different.
He saw pink, pink eyes and orange and yellow, but he never
saw the blue like we saw where Iwas at.
And he went all the way across the country and he met up with
Matthew Johnson. I don't know if you have ever
seen Matthew Johnson was like Anba player and I think he was a

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psychologist or something like that.
But anyway, he's got a place outWest where you can actually go
and try to have an experience with Bigfoot because he saw one
and it scared him. He saw one watching his family
while they were walking on a trail.
He went up in the woods and could see this thing watching
his family. But anyway, my friend David, he
went all the way out there and he told me, he called me after

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he got to where he was going outthere.
And he told me, he said he because he had some kind of an
experience out there, but it wasn't nothing like what he had
with me. And he told me, he said, I just
wanted to let you know that thatexperience that I had with you,
he said that just totally made my year.
So after I did, we had that experience with the eyes.
You know, I'd found the footprints.

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I send you the picture of that little footprint.
I went back a year, like a year to the day because I thought,
well, then they're moving through that area in that time
of year. And so I thought, well, I'm
going to go back in there and look.
And so me and my mom, we go backin there again and we get back
here where that footprint was. And I'm not kidding you.
There was a tree in there about 8 inches, about 8 inches in

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diameter, which is a pretty goodsized tree.
It was probably 30 foot or 40 foot tall and something had bent
that tree. That tree was alive.
It wasn't like a, it wasn't liketop of a tree had broke over or
and fell on it and bent it or anything like that.
Whatever did this, they bent that tree over, wrapped it
around another tree and then they jam the top of it in, in

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the ground in the Creek bed. So it made a perfect bow and it
was probably, I couldn't have touched it.
I mean, if I'd have lifted up, you know, put my hand up in the
air, but I it made a perfect arch and it was in the exact
spot where I found that footprint.
It was like, it was like they marked that area.
You know what I mean? So last, let's see, it would

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have been last February. It was last February.
I go in that area and I'm I go back in there by myself and I'm
looking around and I had went down.
It would have been, let me thinkit would have been West of where
between it was in between where I found the original footprint
and where I had the encounter with the eyes with my friend.

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And so I went in between there and I, I bought one of those,
those Nikon 900 cameras that zoom way back up in the woods.
So I was basically what I was doing was I was walking 100
yards, zooming in, filming, taking, taking pictures all the
way around. There's a guy by the name of
Paul Chafe and they go in and they take pictures, photographs.
And then they're, they're catching stuff that looks like

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dog man and different things like that.
And so that's what I was doing. And I was like, oh, Rooster does
here. I was going in and looking for
structures as well. But anyway, I'd go in there, I'd
move about 100 yards and take and then nothing will zoom in
way out. I don't know if you can like
zoom in on craters with the moon.
And I think NASA bought the patent out for it.
And I don't think you can even get those anymore because you

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can see such, so clear photographs on the moon with
them or, and it'll and it'll take video of the moon.
So anyway, I've got one of those.
I'm, I'm moving 100 yards through the woods.
I go up the Ridge top and I'm coming back out.
And as I'm coming out, I get within, I'm up on top of great
big Ridge top, but I'm within probably 100 yards or so, or

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maybe maybe about 250 yards, I'dsay of the road.
Well, I'm up there in the big timber.
So I'm, I'm behind big trees, you know, and there's no way
they could have seen me because I was just barely peeking around
the tree. I can hear a car coming down the
road and so I'm watch his car, it comes down and he if he had
a, he may have had a thermal on me.
He come down and he stopped. He had some kind of emblem on

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the side of his vehicle. And what I thought was unusual
about it was it had like a one of those wrapped things on the
steering wheel. It was like a pink color or
flarerescent orange or something.
And it had some kind of emblem on there like some kind of a
business thing. And so he stops there in front
of me. So I waited.
I waited till he gets on down the road and he's heading

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towards where my vehicles parked.
So I make my way out. I go down the road, I get down
there and I get to my vehicle and I, I don't know if you deer
hunt or not, but hunters are notorious for looking at looking
at detail. You know like we you can go when
you haunted as long as I have orwhatever.
You go in an area and you looking at everything, you know,

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every branch and twig or whatever.
And so, and then my dad being a Vietnam vet and Bud, they always
told me you always look at the detail, you know, you look at
you're looking for footprints orwhatever.
They taught me how to track and do all kinds of stuff.
So I get up there to the truck. There's a, there's a cigarette
butt laying right behind my truck door.
Whoever it is has come up there and they've looked in my truck

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truck window. And so I got in the truck and I
went down the road where I foundthe first set of footprints.
So I get out of the truck and it's cool out.
It's nice and cool. But like I said, it was in
February. So I get out, I get out of the
truck, I go up and then this Creek that with the bedrock in,
it's got a little bit of water in it.
So you got to kind of navigate these boulders to get back up in

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there. And then once you get in there,
it's kind of flat, but you got to really watch because it's
slick, you know, slick mud or whatever.
And I've been up in there once before and I it was dry.
We kind of had like a little dryspell and it had dried up the
Creek, but there was this one little puddle there.
And this was before this happened.

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But anyway, I walked in there and I walked around the corner.
I wasn't there maybe a minute. And I turn around and I come
back and there was a footprint, one footprint where he had
walked into water and he had walked on the, on the bedrock
and it was probably 14 inches long at least big, big
footprint. And he, and it looked to me like
he, he made one leap down off the rocks on one foot and then

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hopped up onto the other side. And I didn't see any other.
I looked around, couldn't find no footprints.
I didn't hear nothing either. And so that specific morning
where that car went by, I went down in there, got out of the
truck, started heading, heading down the Creek.
What I, what my plan was, was I was going to go up the Creek,
take that Nikon and, and move about 100 yards and start

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hitting, taking photographs, youknow, every 100 yards or so,
panning around, zooming in, taking series of shots so that I
can go back and, and look at the, the photographs.
So I go over there, I get right to those boulders and get ready
to start heading up in there. And I, I get this feeling like

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you better pay attention becausethere might be, there might be
something here you might want tosee.
And so I backed up, I backed up out of that Creek and I got out
in the the gravel. And I kid you not, right there
in the gravel was a juvenile bigfootprint and a adult footprint.
And they were toe to toe and they were perfect.

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And they were right in the, it was right in the gravel Rd.
Like, like they had come out of the Creek.
They had come out of the Creek, walked into the gravel road, and
they walked in such a way that when a car run over it, it was
going to smash that, smash that down to where you wouldn't be
able to see it. And I'll send you the
photographs that I've got of I took.
Photographs. Definitely.
So I made a little short video and was saying I feel like I'm

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blessed. I, I said this is just awesome
because every time I find something like that, I feel like
it's a gift, you know, like I, I, I just feel like it's a
blessing you. Know well you were meant to see
it. Yes.
And the only thing that I can figure, the reason why they're
doing this is because my mother-in-law, my mother-in-law
was handicapped. So she was on a Walker and then

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later on she's on a wheelchair. Well, before I found that little
footprint I took, I took my mother-in-law.
I went in there before I went inthere with a picnic table and I
set a picnic table up with balloons and different things
like that because it was just a beautiful area and she really
loved beautiful, you know, like nature scenes and stuff, like
scenery and stuff. And so my wife, I told her, I

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said, I'll go ahead, get everything set up and then you
guys come. So we ended up having a birthday
party right there in that Creek where I found that those
footprints. And I think they may have been
watching and then I think they may have seen me and my mom in
there. And I, I think they put that.
I think the, the mother either stamped the baby's footprint in

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the in the ground to say I'm in here with my child as well.
If I know that sounds stupid, but that's kind of how I feel
about it. So I find those footprints.
I take a video of it, I talk about it.
I was going to put it online, but I never did.
I don't know why, but I just didn't.
So I'm sitting there and I'm looking at those footprints.
So I thought, well, I found these.
I'm going to go on up in there and look for some more.

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And so I went up in the Creek and I went back where we had the
birthday party and I went right around the corner.
And it wasn't probably a matter of a minute, a minute, me
walking up there and going around the corner, I hear this
car coming. So I turn around, I come back
out, and as I'm coming out, there's the game wardens and
they stop right in the Creek andthey're looking right at me.

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And of course, when the game warden stops and he's looking at
you, you got to go and talk to him because you know, you're
already suspect #1 when because you're out in the woods and you
got a camera, you know, So they,they, they're going to
interrogate you. So I just went on ahead and
walked on up there to him. So I get up there and he said,
have you, what you doing here? And I said, oh, I'm just out

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taking pictures, you know, with my camera, you know, I said,
it's real pretty here and I really like it, you know?
And so they said, have you haven't seen a car around here
like a little white SUV? And I said, yeah, I said it got
a little emblem on the side of it.
I said, does it have a pink steering wheel or orange
steering wheel? And they said, yeah, that's it.
He said, where is he? You know, like they were acting
like we're going to get him, youknow.

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And so I told him, I said, well,I seen him when I come in.
He was down at that other parking spot down there.
And I said, and besides that, I said I seen him go by while I
was up in the woods. And I said somebody got out and
looked in my vehicle. And I said there was a cigarette
butt on the ground. It wasn't there when I got out.
I said somebody got out and looked inside my vehicle.
And he said, well, did they, didthey, they'd take anything?

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And I said, no, they didn't takeanything.
But I said, somebody look, was looking in there.
But I said, yeah, he's down there at the next parking lot.
So like I said, they acted like they was going to go get him,
you know, like he was, he was busted.
You know, he, they was going to get him.
And so I let him go on down through there and I waited about
5 or 10 minutes. So I go and I get in the truck
and I head down that away and there they are down there with

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this guy and they're talking to him like they're best buddies.
And I know he's some kind of he's some kind of a tracker just
the way he is, you know, just don't you can tell he's one of
them people that go in and they can track track stuff.
I could just, I can just tell bythe way that they're going at it
And they, it was just like he, they knew, they knew that that

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Bigfoot had been in there somehow.
And they run over those tracks. They like, they cover those
tracks up when they went throughthere.
But it was because those Bigfoothad walked in the road.
And I thought, man, that is so smart.
They're walking in areas where they know that the traffic's
going to cover their tracks. You know that that is, that is
sophisticated that, that that's beyond animal man, you know what

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I'm saying? No, Yeah, yeah.
For sure. And a human and a human being
would do that, you know what I'msaying?
A human being would do that if they were smart, you know, to
hide. Yeah, no, yeah, that's so, yeah,
that's, that's interesting. No, no, I just kind of so the,
the guy that was so they, they went down and they were like,

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did you hear anything that they were saying?
No, I did not because I thought I'm just going to get out of
here because this is weird. You know, I've, I'm, there's
activity here, there, there's footprints, there's big
footprints here. They're in, they've just showed
up just as I've showed up and I've literally just found it and
they're, they're right there within minutes.
Now, could it have been a coincidence?
It could have been, but do they?I think there's something about

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them that they, they know that they're real because I had AI
worked with a state guy that wasa state policeman from Maine.
And he had done all kinds of things.
He was an anesthesiologist. He'd he'd been a, he was
anesthesiologist. He'd been a pilot.
He flew like a private jets around, flying, you know, people
around and private jets. And he was a state police

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officer in Maine. And I asked him one day, I said,
so do you think that that Bigfoot stuff's real?
This was before any of this happened to me.
And he said, he said, man, he said, I know they're real.
He said, I, I knew the game ward, he's up in Maine.
And he said, two of them told me, they said it's absolutely
real and we know all about it. And then I had Bobo from finding

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Bigfoot. I talked to him when we talked
to Cliff Brockman and he, my wife and my mom was standing
there and my wife started talking to him and she said
something about what you think they're real or whatever.
And he and he looked at my wife and he, I didn't even ask the
question. She did.
And he said, he said, yeah, they're real.
And he said, we've got the evidence to prove it, but the
networks won't let it be put on air.

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So there you go. Why do you think that is?
Because there's a connection to the UFOs and they don't want us
to know about it. They don't want it because once
that cat is let out of the bag that these things can come in,
they can come and snatch you. And you know what I'm saying?
Like these UFOs can come in and or aliens or whatever come in
and snatch you or whatever. Then then it would just create

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mass panic. And then if they have something
to do with our DNA, you know, like manipulating our DNA,
because all of the abduction experiences that they, that like
the alien abductees, that's whatthey, they, they are shown that
there's a hybrid program under way that they are mixing human
and alien DNA to the point wherethey're going to walk amongst us

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and you're not going to eat going to know.
You know what's? Crazy.
I'll I'll tell you this. So I was told this, I don't
know, I might have been a elementary, middle school age
kid and I have family members who can, can testify to this.
But and now I don't like using the word testify, but they can,

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they can, they know what I'm talking about.
But long, long time ago, and I might have mentioned this
before, but the star people camedown before removal and gave
tech these tectonic type plates to each tribal town.

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And this is Muskogee Creek information.
And these plates were given to, you know, these different tribal
towns to to hold. Now they don't, I was never told
what they did and what those place did, but they would bring
the medicine, they would bring knowledge to the, to the people.

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And one day they just, they, youknow, the, they kind of decided
that the star people were like, well, your guys are getting away
from your, your origins. You're getting away from what
you're supposed to be doing. And we're not going to come back
anymore. And some of the star people

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didn't want to go back, but theylook just like us.
And it's kind of crazy. Now, I'm not saying anyone you
know is half or a quarter or, you know, a 16th alien.
I ain't saying none of that. I'm just saying.

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Maybe we all are. Maybe, you know, there's
something to that story that I have always.
And my grandpa, that was one of his, that was one of his
thought. Like that was one thing that he
always said he, he would talk about.
It is like, man, I wish I could,I wish I, I knew, you know, I
wish I could go back and see that, you know, he, he always
wanted to know where those plates were.

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Because those plates up until I think like the early 1900s were
still around and they, they got lost during the removal and, you
know, moving around and whatnot.I had heard a story similar to
that, that there was, I think it's Earth, Wind, fire and
water, that there's four, there were four plate, things like

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that. And like the say, like the
white, the white people were given given one plate.
The white race was given one. And they say like they, they
controlled, say maybe fire. And then the, then the Indians
controlled the land and then theblack people controlled the
water. And then like the Asians

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controlled something else. And I'd heard something similar
to that, the game ward. Like I said, I seen the game
wards in there, seen those footprints.
And then I went back to another area on the other side where
this Creek comes out and I there's another parking area up
there because it's an area whereyou can deer hunt.
So I had went back in and was taking pictures again, like I

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was telling you and I, I don't know if you know what Oregon,
Oregon energy is. Do you know what a, do you know
what a heck suit is? They make a heck suit that's for
hunting like people can walk up on turkeys with it.
Like it cancels out your biofueled energy and your body
talking about well, I make thesethings called they're they're

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they're Oregon basically Oregon generators.
I've studied a little bit about Wilheim Reich and know how to
make some different Oregon cloudbusters, different things
like that. And I made these this Oregon
things and when I wear those like I don't know what it is,
but when I wear them, it's like the deer, like you know how like

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I've haunted for so long that the deer like whenever they come
in, they will look right at you,even if you're not, you know,
like if you if I'm 2030 feet in the air, like they've got a six
inch, you know what I'm saying? It's almost like they sense an
energy coming off of you and they can see it.
And I think it's attached that they're they're covered in hair
and that did is attached to the nervous system and somehow that

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acts as an antenna. That's kind of what I think.
But anyway, these little devicesthat I make will knock that
field off of your body. It it takes your bio electric
field and it takes it in. And then there it's works as a
piezoelectric thing, a device, energy device.
And it's no, it's not like witchcraft or anything like
that. There's you can go on MIT and
look up quartz crystals in the piezoelectric thing.

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That's basically what it is. You put quartz crystals under
pressure and it'll do this. So anyway, that's what I use
when I go in the woods and I'm looking for these things.
And those pictures that I sent you, that thing peeking around
the tree, I had those devices with me and I went in there and
I got all kinds of pictures thatnight.
And I, I think I sent them to you.
But so I go back in there because I got all those pictures

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and they was like nice clear looking.
I thought they was clearer than I'd ever gotten pictures of like
the face of that thing peeking around the tree.
And then I got the picture of those Indians look like Indians
looking around the tree. And so I decided I'm going to go
back in there. Well, I go to go back in there a
couple days later and I'm aroundthe corner to go there and
there's a black SUV sitting there with black tinted windows.

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And I thought, no, not going in there.
So. I so I left, I left Aaron and
probably about a three or four days later I go back in there.
But I usually take this horse trail up in here because there's
horse trails, you know, crisscross through there.
I usually take a horse trail andgo back around in there and look
and take my picture. So I thought this time I'm going
to go in off the road because myfriend Bushwhack and Rooster, he

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looks for those XS and differentstructures.
And so I went in an area where Ifound a structure down, down
below where the horse trail was.Well, that takes you into the
Creek where I got all those photographs, right.
So I go back in there and I'm getting into Ground Zero where I
got caught. All the, you know, the good
footage in the pictures, I get in there and I'm looking up the
hill up towards the horse trail and I see this, I see something

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up there. It looks like, you know, like
hunters will chain a like a treestand to a tree and they'll use
like a it's, it's like a, like achain that it's like a cable
thing, you know, goes into a boxwith a lock.
And I thought, is it, what is that thing?
Because of the other day when I was in there, it wasn't there
because I'd walked right by it and I would have seen it because
I'm paying attention, you know, and so I'm looking up here.

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So I went and I, I had the scales about straight up
grabbing hold of saplings, pulling my way up there if I'd
have fell and I got hurt, you know, and it's a lot of because
I thought, well, somebody put a camera up there on the tree.
And so I get up there and there's this box and it's a
probably about a foot and a halfwide foot and a half tall and
probably about 10 or 12 inches deep.

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And it's got a got a lock. It's locked to a tree.
And then I thought, well, the game went Wardens or somebody's
come up in here and they've they've put some kind of
electronic device or a camera upthere.
So I go and I look around the front of it and I couldn't find
any hole for a camera. So I don't know what kind of
device that thing was. I've never seen it before or, or

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ever seen one since. And I don't know what it was.
So there was something going on in there.
It was almost like they knew I'dbeen in there, you know what I
mean? Yeah.
It's like, well, I think they were trying to.
What my thought is, is it's one of those frequency where they're
trying to push them out, push those, those Bigfoot out of that
area. It could be what it was.
And here's another thing, the area where I'm saw this

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activity, there's a power, a major power line that runs
through there. You know what I'm talking about,
Like it cuts to, you know how they talk about theirs.
They travel the power lines and I got to look and on a map and I
Google Earth and I followed thatthing and that power line goes
all the way across over to whereSquatch man has even has his
activity. So we kind of share the same the

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same, you know, trail way there.So, and I think that this is
what I think. I think they're in that area
specifically because there's pawpaws in there because a lot of
these encounters and all this evidence that I've gotten has
happened in September when the paw paws are on, you know, I
think, I think they're eating the paw paws.
Let me let's hear that Bigfoot story, man.

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You want to hear the Bigfoot story?
OK, You want to. Hear it?
That's that's. One of the someone.
Someone in chat said that they say want to hear.
It Yeah, you know what? I'm going to open up the chat.
OK, All right, All right, So foryou, Tony, for everybody in
chat, all I'm going to say is all I can relay is what I

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experienced believe, not believethat's that's 100% OK, because I
was there and I still don't knowhow much I believe it.
I still have dreams about this shit.
And it's not like Bigfoot's chasing me through the woods and
gonna pop my head off like a Daisy, which he probably could
have at that point, but it's just reliving it, just seeing

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the whole experience in my dreams.
That's why I can remember it so well.
Which is really weird cuz that'sone of the one things that I
wish never happened to me and I wish I couldn't remember but I
do. So where to begin?
Where to begin? My friend, I'll call him D.
It's like the 1st letter of his name he's passed on.

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He passed away like 5 or 6 yearsago at this point.
And right now anyway, him and his dad would go on moose
hunting trips up Maine every single year.
And you know, they got a moose every year.
It was really, you know, it was freaking awesome.
I mean, I'm seeing the pictures and I would go over to the house
after they got back to hang out with him or go target shooting

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and you know, the side lot of their yard and you know, you see
in the barn, you see a big old moose hanging there.
I was like, oh, that's really cool.
You know, and he's the old man'sout there chopping it up and
he's got all the stuff to do it.I mean, his dad was his dad was
an ex Vietnam vet and he was oneof the crazy people that took
extra tours because he liked it.I'm not saying anything about

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his character because the man was very kind and always nice to
me. But anyway, they, he Dennis
asked Dee asked me, Do you want to go with us this year?
We're going up to Oxford County.My dad, you know, rented a cabin
and I was sure why not. Now at that point in my life,
I'm like 19 years old and all I did was just drink and smoke and
party and have a good time and cavort with women and just have

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a blast. You know what I mean?
I, I, that was like my phase right there and I, I knew I was
going out that that next morning, I knew when I was going
out that night to go hang out with my friends and get a drink
on. I was going to be going on a
hunting trip the next morning. So I packed a bag, get
everything I needed, put my 3030in the back, all everything I

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needed for that trip. And I went out, partied with my
buddies and I showed up at theirhouse at like 3:50, 4:00 in the
morning. That's what he told me to be
there for because at this time there was no such thing as cell
phones. And I'm like, dude, don't call
the house because I ain't going to be home.
I'll be there. And I show up, hadn't slept.

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I throw all my shit in the back of their Bronco.
And they had like one of those like 1981 or two full size Ford
Broncos, big thing lifted the whole 9 yards.
And I laid down in the back seat, passed out probably.
I don't know how long the trip took.
I, I think I was told the trip took like about almost 5 hours
to get there. And I remember waking up because

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I'm like being rattled awake. And I'm in the back of this
Bronco and I sit up and it's daylight and we're on this like
access logging Rd. dude. And the trees are so close to
the Bronco, I'm like, wow, wherethe hell are we man?
And then this old man takes thisturn down a trail that I just

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thought was a walking trail. And I don't know how he fit that
big Ford down that trail becauseI swear to God, dude on either
side man was man was a genius behind the wheel.
Dude. He had so much skill because it
must have been like 1/4 of an inch on either side of the
vehicle running that big old Bronco right down this little
trail. And have you ever seen the movie

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The Walk the Evil Dead? Yes, I have.
OK, so picture the cabin from the Evil Dead.
We roll up into this little areain front of a cabin, and that's
the first thing I thought of. I'm like, Oh my God, this is the
fucking Evil dead. I'm like, am I going to find the
Necronomicon inside there? I'm just like, wow.

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I mean this thing. We get out of the vehicle and I,
I imagine you have but if you'vebeen so far out into the
wilderness of the woods that youcan hear birds and and like
normal wildlife sounds, but yet it's the silence is so deafening

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at the same time. It's like absolutely beautiful
but intimidating AF when you're out there and we get into the
cabin and I did the cabin to look on the inside like it did
on the outside. Fucking horrifying.
Sorry it can I swear or should Inot?

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Let it RIP man I. Mean OK man, keep it I.
Keep it to keep it to a minimum,but yeah.
OK, I got you. Sorry if your kids are
listening. Anybody you know?
Sorry about that. I'm just getting into it, man.
Yeah, so. I know I you're telling a story
that's that's, you know, that's been on your mind for, you know,
however, you know, for all theseyears.

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Got it. I God, it sucks.
But anyway, we, we get into and the cabin actually was, was
really, it was nice. It wasn't, wasn't too bad.
A little dusty in there. But I mean, it looks like
somebody had stayed there recently.
And I mean, I, I told I'd given this story to a lady here in

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Maine named Michelle Suliere, who is a Bigfoot researcher, and
she came out with a book called Bigfoot in Maine.
I would recommend that if you like the subject of Bigfoot and
the history of it in the state, you know what I mean.
In any given place, I would recommend anybody in the chat to
go to to search up Bigfoot in Maine by Michelle Suliere.

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Or you can go to like the green handbookshop.com, something like
that. Think you can get it on Amazon.
It's not a very long read and it's not expensive, but it I
have a copy of it. She sent it to me because she
was on my podcast at one time and it's a fantastic book.
It's a fun read, great stories, and she does a really good job
of digging in the history. She wanted me to help her try to

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find this cabin. And I'm like, listen, I've lived
through it. I, I don't want to revisit it
that much more, you know what I mean?
So if you don't want to use my story, that's fine.
I'm not going to take it to heart.
You're still my friend. But I'm just me.
I've been there, done that. I don't really want to revisit
it other than telling the story again anyway.

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So the short of it was, was thatwe probably had about 1/2 a day.
I think we got to see if it was 5678910.
I think we got there somewhere around 11 or noon.
We made decent time, but those, those old logging roads and
trails were so bumpy. I mean, we were going in a
snail's pace going down these roads.

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But so my buddy's dad grabs his rifle, puts his David, you know,
his, his Marco Polo cap on whatever hat he was wearing.
There's this weird hat and he just takes off into the woods
like, like he lived there. And I'm like, all right,
Rock'n'roll. At the time, my buddy, excuse

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me, was a very, very large man. He was like 6-1, but he was like
£350. Like he could have been a
lineman in the National FootballLeague, a big boy.
So he didn't walk very far. And I think that we probably
went, I don't know, quarter of amile, if that, behind the cabin
itself. And we found an area that had

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like, it was kind of like. If you've ever been walking
through the woods and you've gotlike a lot of dense brush and
you're walking through shrubberyand all that stuff.
And you come out into an area where it's a little bit open and
there's like a few trees and youcan see kind of Chris Truck
Criss crossing game trails whereyou can plainly see like the

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deer and the moose and every other animal will is running or
walking through there. That's kind of exactly what it
looked like. And there was this one little
area where like cuz the whole, it was weird because it was a
trail leading in which we were on and it was a like a walking
trail kind of leading out on theother side.

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But basically it was like this kind of octagonal shaped area
that had all kinds of thicket orheavy brush lining.
And it was one of the weirdest things and not weird now, but at
the time I'd never really seen anything like that.
And behind one of these like shrubbery walls, as I've always
called them, was a tree that hadfallen down.

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And you could sit down on that tree and you could poke a gun
barrel. And because there was spots in
the, in the brush where you could poke a gun barrel through
and see. And if there was an animal
there, dude, it's, it was like the perfect natural hunting
blonde. So that's where we said we were
going to hunt. We go back to the cabin and the

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the three of us are just light up a fire had a pot eating beans
and hot dogs and having a grand old time shooting the breeze.
And Fast forward we get up earlybutt crack of dawn and you know,
his old man takes off into the woods.
He found the spot he wanted to be in.
We walk out to the spot we foundthe day early day afternoon
previous and we're just kind of sitting there and the sun is

(02:01:55):
just barely starting to come up.You know what I mean?
Like when the sun starts to riseabove, you kind of almost get
this like reddish glow from the very early, early morning.
And we're probably sitting there10 or 15 minutes.
And we thought we hit the jackpot because there was
something big coming our way from, I mean, it sounded

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probably like it was like a couple 100 yards away.
We thought it was a moose. Cause moose, if you've never
been around one, they are very large, heavy animals that just
stomp through everything much like what we just saw, we're
about to see, I should say. And as this thing is getting
close to the wind is blowing at us.
So we are actually downwind. And it was kind of like if

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you've ever been in a musty basement that had a really heavy
smell to it times that by about 50 with a really strong urine
smell. So it was enough to burn your
nose and eyes. And this thing is coming and you
can hear it better. And I'm like, dude, and he's
like, there's a moose coming. I'm like, I don't think that's a
moose. It's two legs.

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He's like, you don't know what you're hearing.
You've never done that before. I'm like, I have haunted deer
before. I am not stupid.
That's not a moose that's walking on two legs.
He's like, no, no, it's a moose.He's all excited, man, because
his dad always shot a moose every year.
He never got the chance. So he wanted to really bad like
it's like the one ring. He needed it.
It was his precious. So there was that one second

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where the the footfalls and the smell, oh what?
It was so strong. I can almost smell it now
recalling this and it was like asecond before this thing came
through the thicket that it was like eye of the storm.
Everything got really, really quiet.

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It was almost like somebody hit the mute button, and then all of
a sudden this thing comes walking through the thickets.
We're only about 25 feet away from this thing, 20 feet away,
and this thing stops and just kind of turns its whole upper
body goes and looks right down at us.
I was like, oh, shoot, we're both shaking.

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We both peed all over ourselves because as far as I could see,
that was an effing monster. Dude.
I didn't know what the hell thatwas.
I had no inclined, never even heard of a Bigfoot.
Didn't know that's what it was. And this thing's looking at me.
I'm looking at him. D right next to me is shaking

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like a friggin Chihuahua when it's too cold outside.
Picture that one 300 mile man shaking.
Shaking like a Chihuahua when it's too cold out.
He's got a, he's got a 3040 Craig sitting in his lap, which
is a big gun that shoots a big bullet man.
And he's shaking trying to lift it.
And I just just put my hand on his and like, no, no, don't do

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that. I don't want to die, dude.
Because if this thing wanted to,it could have taken a step and
reached over with its big long arms and hands and popped my
head off like a Daisy. I was not about to have all that
smoke and big and it was weird. Is is looking at this thing's
face. I can understand why you know a

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good Bigfoot picture when you see one, right?
Like even if it's a nice clear one or you see footage where you
you think it's legit, but you can't see the face.
There's no there's no hair on the face of these things.
There's hair all around the faceof it.
So it makes like this weird natural shadow, like I'm staring

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right into these big hubcap round hubcap hives this thing
has and I, I can only see half of its face.
I know it was there, but it was just this weird shadow.
You know what I mean? The, the, the, the, what's the
word? Slightly cone shaped head.
It's deltoids were as big as my head.

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Dude. I just this massive monstrosity
long hair. I mean, but the weird because it
wasn't that much hair on the chest, you know what I mean?
You could tell it had big old packs and a six pack or like
probably like a 30 pack because it was monstrous and I don't
know it just it felt like 5 minutes.
We were standing there staring at each other and it just

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snorted and walked away. Now this was probably this is a
decent sized clearing dude. I don't know, I might have.
I would have taken me quite a few steps to get across it
saying that. And from sitting down, dude,

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this looked like A10 footer. He was big, real big.
Like this brush. Just let me see what I can, OK?
I'm not going to try to be vulgar in this situation, but
I'm sitting down on a tree. I'm I'm 5/8.
OK, five. Yeah, I'm 585758.
I'm sitting down on this law on this like down tree and this

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like, rubbery in front of me. It's probably coming up to about
3 or 4 inches above my head. OK, so if I want to see the game
trailer, I had to look through the holes in it.
I'm looking up at this thing andI could see he was a boy.
That makes sense. Yeah, yeah.
OK, that's how big this thing was, how close it was to us.

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Dude, I kid you not. Three good long steps and it was
in through the shrubbery on the other side and gone.
Man. Yeah, now you know how they
people talk about infrasound. I think there's something to
that. There's something maybe not
that, but weird because it was probably 5 seconds, 5 or 6.

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I was really quick. Right after this thing went
through the shrubbery on the other side on its way, it let
out a howl. It was so freaking loud.
It hurt my ears. Like I had to cover my ears and
it was still too loud. And we sat there probably for a
good 4045 minutes after that. And I was just so confused and

(02:08:22):
dizzy and drowsy. And I think I drooled on myself
a little bit. And probably after that amount
of time, my head felt like it started to clear up enough that
we could stand up and walk back to the to the cabin and Dennis
go of D said his name. Screw it.

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He goes and lights a fire and we're both sitting by the fire
and we sat there for a while. His we heard a gunshot.
And a little while later his dadcomes back.
He shot a deer. He's like didn't see a moose.
And he's dragging this thing andhe goes and he does whatever
he's going to do with it and he comes back and he's like, what's

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the matter with you guys? I just kind of looked at him.
He's like, oh, and we both kind of looked at him like, what do
you mean by oh? He's like, oh, that you saw what
yelled Oh man, those are like the rock apes and numb, and he
just turns around and goes the other way.
I'm like, can can you explain that to me?

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Please, that's insane. That's.
Insane. For like I said, Dee, he passed
away from diet because of diabetes.
Didn't take care of himself, man.
You know, it sucked, but we, we were still pretty close after
that. But he would never talk about
it. That was like one of those
subjects. Like I tried 1000 times and

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every time he shut the door, he's like, I'm like, you
remember, He's like, I don't remember anything that never
happened. And I'm like, it sure shit did
happen because I pissed all overmyself, dude.
I didn't imagine that. I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm
not a toddler dude. And he's like, I don't know what
you're talking about. He would just, he took it to the
grave with him. He would never, never, never
speak of it. Never.

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Let me ask you this real quick. So he said that he saw it
sounded like rock apes in Vietnam.
Do you, has he, did he tell you any of those stories or?
Did he, you know what's funny? You know what's funny?
He talked about it a little bit that night after, after he got
the deer hung and he gutted it, got it hung because the gunshot

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sounded close. So I don't think he was that far
away. I think he was on his way back
to us to come to have lunch, to the cabin to have lunch.
And the deer just came across and boom, took it because we
were there for another couple ofdays and my buddy and I never
went, never went back out in thewoods.
He didn't want to go out in the woods.

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He was just pretty much done at that point.
So we just kind of hung out around the fire pit and we would
drink beers and shoot the breezeand all that stuff.
But his dad went out a few, you know, those other couple days we
were there because we're there for three days.
And he said he saw Moose, but hewas never able to get a shot off

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on him. So must have been an unsuitable
position because this dude could, I've seen him at the
range of this house from 100 yards away.
Pow put a fucking bullseye rightinto a small paper target.
So, you know, with a scope and he was using a 300 win mag.
So I mean, there was a big hole in that deer.
And I'm going to tell you right now why I didn't use a deer gun.

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I don't know. But you know, I'd have to ask
him. But anyway, that night he was
talking about he's like, yeah, he goes, he goes, you guys would
call them Bigfoot and I'm like, what's a Bigfoot?
He's like, you don't know what that is.
I'm like, I never heard of that.He goes, well, you just saw one,
didn't you? I'm like, I saw something, I saw
a monster, but I don't know whatthat was.
He's like, yeah, we used to callthose rock apes in Vietnam.

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It was because there would be platoons of us or, or squads or
companies of us that would go outgoing after the VC and you
would have these big hairy things that would be trailing
us. They look like giant 8910 foot
tall monkeys walking on two legs.
Like we do not like, you know how you see a chimpanzee walk?

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He goes, they walk like we do, but it would come to a certain
point that we would have to watch out for the VC and we'd
have to watch out for them because they would throw big
rocks at us. So we'd just shoot at them and
we hit them a couple times and they didn't.
They would fall down, get back up, run away.
He was, well, I don't think we ever killed one that we know of,
but I was just like blown away, dude.

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I'm like, really. And you can, you can go and look
that stuff up and there a lot ofa lot of soldiers.
There's stories that have come out of the Vietnam era that
talked about rock apes. And there's also stories about
the lizard men of the Ho Chi Minh trail, which he said that
there's been experiences that he's had and other guys like him

(02:13:03):
have had on the trail like that before.
So I'm like, Jesus, dude. He goes cuz he's funny.
You find these random games and they stunk horribly.
And there was a few guys that had told him, you know, when
they would mix companies or a company or platoon would get
shot down a lot and then they would mix with another one so
they'd make new ones. And there were a lot of guys

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that were talking about lizard men coming out of caves after
them and these big walking lizards.
And it's just like in rock apes.And I'm like, dude, it wasn't.
I think it was like a couple of days after we had come home.
I worked 2nd shift in a restaurant at the time and I
still lived with my parents. I came home that night and I was

(02:13:47):
what I got on the couch, put a blanket on myself.
I was watching ATV show. Well, I apparently had passed
right out and the TV was still on.
And I think I woke up somewhere around four or four or five in
the morning and I'm opening my eyes and I'm looking at this and
there's this, you know, the Patterson Gimlin film there they

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were showing whatever show this was a documentary that was on
was showing the Patterson Gimlinfilm.
And I was instantly awake because that's what I saw, minus
the memories. So like I said, this was a boy.
But what was on the Patterson Gimlin film walked and looked
exactly like what I saw in the woods that day.

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And I was just like, dude, and that's why I kept watching.
And they're like, this is Bigfoot or known as Sasquatch.
Many names wood booger. I'm like wood booger.
That's a that's a fun one. But yeah, so that was that was
my introduction to that fun. Man, that's AI mean that's a
great story too, man, cuz like especially seeing the detail

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that you've seen and really that's a lot of the I guess you
could say a lot of the people that see that, you know, Bigfoot
is they don't really want to talk about it.
You know, they, they see it and especially with you guys seeing
it really that close, you know, I can definitely see your buddy
just being like, yeah, no. Never talking about it again.

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Oh, don't get me wrong, it was terrifying.
Absolutely terrifying. I mean, I call it a nightmare.
To me it's a nightmare. It's not, I guess not as bad now
as it was, but just reliving that in my head when I'm
sleeping at night is it's dude, I wake up and you know, I kind
of like, you know how you scare yourself awake type of thing.

(02:15:35):
I can, I can understand why you can never get a clear picture of
one of these things. Why it's hard.
You know what I mean? Like, 'cause people like, well,
if you don't see a body, it didn't happen or do this thing
was like a hairy tank on legs. I mean, I picture 2 Arnold

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Schwarzenegger's, then you're looking at the muscle definition
of what this thing looked like. I mean, it had a lot of hair and
it was long, but you could clearly see that this was thing
was like, what are you doing? You know what I mean?
Type of thing. It's just like, why are you
looking at me? It's like a giant hairy Arnold.
I mean, it was so massive and strong and it moved so fast and

(02:16:20):
so fluid. Like something that big to me to
move in that way is almost like an oxymoron.
And I mean, I've told people this story before and they've
laughed right in my face. So that's, that's why I say to
you and, and everyone in the chat, thank you for listening to

(02:16:40):
my story. I, I really appreciate you guys
welcoming me in, but believe, don't believe that's, that's
100%. You know, up to you guys.
Just, you know, take it for whatit's worth.
You know, I was there type of thing, and I'm not I'm not
trying to sound like a jerk whenI say this.
I have no no a hole intentions when I say it, but if you
believe it, great. If you don't, that's fine too,

(02:17:01):
because it I was there. I know what I saw.
You know what I mean? And it was like, I wish I hadn't
have seen it, truthfully. I appreciate, I appreciate, I
appreciate you, you sharing thatbecause that's a pretty, that's
a pretty crazy encounter, man. I've I've heard a lot of stories
from different people and a lot of times it's hear something or,
but that's a great story and I appreciate you you sharing that

(02:17:22):
with us, man.

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