March 6, 2025 • 33 mins
Welcome to the 91st episode of the War Cry Podcast. On this episode, I am joined by Ghostlee Hunter of the Hunters of the Paranormal group. Mr. Hunter is an avid researcher, who has collected multiple Bigfoot prints. He shares a really eye opening Alien Abduction story of his grandpa, who was a blue collar factory worker. For the full unedited episode, Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/WarCryPodcast?utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator
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joining me tonight, he joined meback during the Halloween
season. I'm so glad to have him back.
I would say he's a conspiracy theorist savant.
Other people may say that he's aBigfoot guy, but I'm joined by
Mr. Ghostly Hunter from parent Hunters of the paranormal.
How's it going man? It's.
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Going well. Can you hear me OK out there?
Perfect. Awesome.
It's good to be back with you. I really enjoyed your show the
last time and I hope you enjoy what I got have to say for you
tonight. So.
Yeah, man. So for those of you guys that
did catch the first episode, it was a live stream.
It's on the it's on Spotify, Apple, all those places.
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He had a really good, kind of, Iguess you could say National
Park, park Ranger type weird situation.
It was a, it was a really good story.
I kept asking him. It was funny.
I had to, I listened back to like a couple months ago and I
was like, man, I was like, where's where's he, where's he
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taking me? I was like, where's he taking?
I kept asking you, OK, but what about the, the cover up?
But he ended up getting to the end.
It was a good crescendo because there's a lot of weird stuff
that's going on nowadays. You know, we have a lot of Park
Rangers getting fired. We have different park entities
and, you know, being let go. But before we get to that,
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before I ask you a question, before we got, you know, live
recording, I guess we're technically live, but we're
recording. You had a story about your
grandfather. Yes, Sir.
Let's hear that. I want, I want people to hear
that cuz you said it was. It's pretty, pretty out there
and I like that. OK, I'll try to do the best that
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I can. And the way I remember it when I
was a little kid, I was probablythe first time I ever heard
about it was when I was 7 or 8 years old.
And it was just, I heard my, my mom and dad talking about it and
I caught something about my grandfather meeting someone that
basically took him on board a spacecraft and went somewhere.
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And so, you know, as a little kid, you, you, you pay attention
to things like that, especially me, 'cause I, I liked Star Wars
and all that. I got to see that in the
theaters, you know, as a kid grew up on Buck Rogers and Star
Trek and you know, the, the normal Battlestar Galactica
stuff. But I, and I always loved space.
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And I remember when I was little, I went to my, it'd be my
great. I'm privileged enough to that I
got to meet my great grandmotherand grandfather and I got to
stay there 1 rare occasion with him.
I'd stay go and see him every now and then.
And my dad would go like work onhis race cars and stuff.
And that's what my grandfather was into race cars too as a
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hobby that, and I would stay with my go over and stay with my
great grandmother and grandfather and, you know, just
kind of hang out for the day while they're working on stuff.
And I remember there was a show back in the 70s and it was
called Logan's Run. I don't know if you've ever seen
it. Logan's Run is the one where
they live in the Dome city and you when once you reach a
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certain age, you basically are terminated at the age of 30, I
think, or something like that. But anyway, I tried to watch
that show and it was coming on. I was so excited.
I was going to get to see that show and I was just foaming at
the mouth as a little kid wanting to watch it.
And then my, my great grandmother and grandfather,
they just shut that, they shut that show off.
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They wouldn't let me watch it. And, and I was just, I, you
know, it's kind of mad, didn't understand at the time.
So later on I, I find out when I'm about 13, I remembered that
story and we was over at my grand grandfather's house.
And I'll come back to why they turned off the, the TV with that
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show anyway. And so I'm talking to my
grandfather and I asked him about it and he, he starts to go
into detail about the, the, his encounter.
Well, the reason why they had shut that TV off was because
they tried to tell him he was crazy and they, you know, mocked
him, made fun of him. And he, they just break him down
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into tears because he, you know,believed it was true.
It to him, it happened. It was an encounter that he had
and an experience that he had and nobody would believe him.
And so I, I asked him about it. And so this is the story that
he, that he told me. He worked in a factory and my,
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my dad had a brother and a sister and they would have been
young and this would have been around the time, I don't know if
any of your listeners out there have heard of Valiant Thor where
they supposedly landed. And he spent like a year or
something like the in the Pentagon or more, it might have
been a little more, but there's a guy by the name of Doctor
Frankie Strange's if anybody wants to look it up.
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And he'll he talks about ValiantThor.
But so it would have been aroundthe same time it would, and I'm
guessing it would been 59, maybe60 somewhere in there.
And my dad was little and my hisbrother and sister were little.
So my grandfather had three little kids at the time.
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And so he's working in a factoryand he worked in shipping and
like shipping and handling like he would, they would load stuff
up on trucks and ship it out or whatever.
And so this guy gets gets hired on and at night it gets kind of
slowed where they they can talk,you know, and about different
things. And so the topic comes up about
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is about life in the universe. And my grandfather asks the this
guy that has just hired on, he said, do you believe that
there's could be, you know, extraterrestrials or, you know,
life on other planets or whatever?
And this this guy looks at my grandfather and he said yes.
He said I believe that there's extraterrestrials and that
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there's life. And he said the reason why I
believe it is because I am 1. And so he tells my grandfather
that he was from the planet Venus and he said like, they
don't live on the outside of theplanet, you know, 'cause it's so
hot. But he said they lived on the
interior of the planet. And he said like the cloud cover
on the outside was, was basically made by them.
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They made the cloud cover. So like satellites and stuff,
couldn't, you know, penetrate the cloud cover to see like
their entrances and, and different things like that.
So he talking to my grandfather and my grandfather's thinking,
you know, this guy's kind of kind of odd, you know, and my
grandfather's really not buying into it.
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And so the guy asked my grandfather.
He said if you had an opportunity to, you know, go to
another planet, where would you like to go to?
And he said, and would you go? And my grandfather said, oh,
yeah. He said I would.
He said, I would like to do that.
I'd like to go. And he said my grandfather told
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him. He said he would like to go to
Mars is where he would like to go.
And so the guy said, well, if I could arrange it, would you go?
And he said absolutely I'll go. And so the guy told him, he said
come and pick me up and meet me at such and such and and I'll
take you. And so my grandfather, he, he
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goes to take him home and drop him off that night.
And he said, my grandfather saidthat back in those days, because
my grandfather was familiar withrace cars and suspension.
You know, anybody that races knows that, you know, suspension
is key. A lot of times like, like
suspension can beat, you know, beat a high, a fast engine if
their cars aren't handling right.
So my grandfather was into that kind of stuff and he said back
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in those days, the suspension onthe cars weren't very good.
So they had a lot of gravel roads and they were washboard
roads. I don't know if you've ever been
out in the country and you hit awashboard, you know, gravel, it
just basically shakes your car to death and about rattle your
teeth out of your head. And so he is taking this guy
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home and they hit a washboard road and it's just like shaking
the car all over the place. And then all the sudden the guy
looks at at my grandfather and he said, he said, you notice
anything different about the car?
And my grandfather said, yeah. He said the car, the car smooth,
the, you know, the suspension smoothed out, the roads gotten
smoother. And the guy looked at him and he
said no, that roads not smoothedout or gotten any smoother.
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He said, I'm, I'm, I'm lifting it up off the ground.
And my grandfather said he was making the car with his using
his mind somehow with, with his mind was making the car lift off
the ground a smooth and they were going along.
You know what I'm saying? I don't know if if I explained
that right. But so anyway, he goes, they
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they go home and he lets the guyout and the guy is showing him
over his house. There's these three stars and
they in the shape of like a, a pyramid, like one at the top and
two at the bottom. And he told him, he said those
are our ships up there. And so he tells my grandfather
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come and get him like the next day or whatever and he'll take
him out in the country and they'll, they'll go on on board
spacecraft. So my grandfather, he goes and
he picks the guy up. And I got to tell you before
that I, I'm getting ahead of myself here.
The guy told my grandfather thathe had never been with a woman.
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And the reason why they were here was they were doing
research and he said he'd never been with a woman and wondered
if my grandfather could arrange for him to meet, you know, meet
a woman to be with. And so my grandfather, being a
little ornery, I guess, knew where the red light district was
and took that guy to a place, I guess you could call it the
brothel or whatever. He said.
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They went in and my grandfather went and sat in like a a little
room and the women came in and the guy picked one out and they
went upstairs and he said he wasn't up there no more in
probably 5 or 10 minutes. And here he comes down the
stairs and the woman's coming down behind him and she's like
looking at him and just shaking her head like in disbelief, you
know. And so he couldn't figure out,
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you know, what had happened. And my grandfather said back
then and even now, you know, like you don't ask people, you
know their personal business. Well, you know what happened.
So he didn't ask. So anyway they leave he arranged
for him to pick my to pick him up and he's going to take him.
And so my grandfather goes pickshim up and they they drive out
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in the country for a while and the guy tells him he says turn
down this little as a little patlike a little dirt Rd. that went
into a woods. And so my grandfather pulled the
car off and he headed start downinto the towards the woods
through this, you know, little path.
And he said inside this woods was a like a like a square
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Meadow. And he said sitting in the
middle of the Meadow was a classic silver disc UFO shaped
with the door down. He said they got out, they got
out of the car, they boarded thecraft.
And he said there was three other ones in I think he said
there was three other ones in there.
And he said to see them, they look just like us.
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He said you would never even know that they were
extraterrestrials. They look just identical to us.
And so he told they, they introduced, he introduced him to
the captain of the ship and everything.
And so they boarded. They get settled in and I think
I asked him what it looked like on the inside.
And he said there was a lot of panels and lights and, and
different things. And he said they sit him down
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and he said they started to takeoff.
And he said it went up in the air, the ship, the, the ship
went up in the air. And he said they got above the
atmosphere and he said they could got to where they could.
He could look out. And I don't know if he's looking
on a screen or a window. I don't remember him saying
screen or window, but he said hecould see the Earth.
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And he said it, it looked like areal pretty blue marble looking
thing. And he said just in, in just
like they flipped a switch or snapped their fingers, he said,
they jumped from our atmosphere to the atmosphere of Mars.
And they're starting to come down into the atmosphere of
Mars. So as they're coming down, as
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they're coming down the atmosphere, the captain and the
others start telling my grandfather, they said, as we we
go down here, we wanted to let you know that there's life,
there's life down here. And he said, we're going to show
you that there's there's life here and that there are, you
know, creatures that live here. And he said, but in no way,
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shape or form are we supposed tomake contact.
You are not to try to reach out to him, not try to talk to him,
nothing that you're, you're not supposed to.
We're not supposed to make contact.
And so my grandfather said they land and there there's like
these. He said there was just boulders
everywhere, these great big boulders.
And he said they're, they're peeking around these boulders
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and there's these cave like things going down into the
ground and hear these creatures come up out of this cave.
And I asked my grandfather. I said, well, what did these?
I said, well, what did them things look like?
And my grandfather said they look like what we would describe
here on earth as a Bigfoot. So I heard, I, I've talked to a
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Bigfoot hunter that said that the Bigfoot had told people
before, you know, the ones that supposed to flee communicate
with them that they come from a planet with where there's two
moons. So that I've heard that and Mars
has two moons. And I found that interesting
later on, you know, of course. That is definitely interesting,
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only I'm going to stop you therefor a second.
OK. Man, OK, I didn't.
OK, that's he. I didn't realize that she was
going, you know, I was thinking it was going to be something
more or less like he was abducted.
But so let me let me ask you this and I want to make sure
that I clarify this because I'm my brain is trying to wrap
around, I mean, you just, you just dropped a few bombs on us
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now, man. You just kind of you kind of
drop some heat on us there. So did he work with this guy at
the factory that he was working at?
Yes, he he, he did. He worked with him.
But it's going to get even stranger.
Well, yeah, look, OK, look before we get there, another
another question I had is so this guy just looked like a
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normal dude, like someone just everyday life.
Yes, if you look at the if you see the pictures of Valiant
Thor, he just looks like he looks like he could be either
Italian or Greek, like a Greek man there.
He's like 6 foot tall, you know,and they and then there's a
woman with him. If you've seen, you know, if you
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have seen the picture of him, there's a doctor, Frankie
Stranges has the pictures of them there.
And you can, if you type in Valiant Thor, you'll see the
black and white pictures of them.
And I think it's hybrid. Highbridge, New Jersey is where
they're at. And there was a guy by the name
of Howard Menger that also had an experience with Venusians
around the same time. So that's at least two different
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ones that I'd heard of before mygrandfather.
But I'd heard that story about my grandfather way before I ever
heard Frankie Stranges. And I'll tell you about some
stuff that's very similar to what Frankie Stranges says here
in a little, but go ahead, I didn't mean to cut you off.
No, no, no, you I that's you're you're you're you're killing it.
That's the details I was about to start asking about.
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And so this he looks like an every everyday guy did So when
he picked when he picked this guy up, did he pick him up at
his house? Was his house look the house
look normal? It was just like an apartment,
like it would have been like an apartment place is where they
would have went to. OK, and then when?
So when he picked him up, they went like in the morning time.
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They just immediately went in the middle of the day.
This thing was out there. Yeah, that's the way I take it.
And he said it was in the end ofdaylight.
They just pulled up in the in this woods like a just a like in
a farmer's field going back to awoods.
A patch of woods went in there and there was a little like a
little square pasture in there with the with the UFO sitting
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right in the middle of it, a disc shaped object.
And did OK. And before I guess before we get
to the rest of the story, he mentioned, you mentioned
Bigfoot. And I know there's going to be a
lot of people, you know, we mentioned Bigfoot anytime people
are going to be asking. I'm just curious as people hear
this story, is anyone out there have heard you know what what
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the what Mr. Hunter is saying about the two moons?
I feel like I've heard that before somewhere.
Do you know if I can't remember it?
Was it someone that maybe mentioned it like like?
Yeah. Go ahead.
I'm sorry. I know.
Go ahead. The it's a famous researcher.
I I TomTom something. Let me see.
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I may have the book getting. Can you give me just a second?
Yeah, Yeah. Let me look and see if I got the
book. Yeah.
And I'll, so basically what I'm,what I'm kind of curious on to
everyone who's going to hear this.
Have you heard that? Has there been any tribes or
nations out there? If you're part of that, have any
type of, you know, lore or mythology or stories about the
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two moons? Because I'm, I'm very interested
in hearing that because I feel like I've heard that before.
But also too, as we're at the like the midway point of this
story in the comments below. Let me know what you guys think.
Yeah, he's, he's bringing the heat, OK, He's got.
The book here, no, I don't have the book.
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I actually the person that that loaned me the book, I, I had to
send it back to him. It was a guy that was hunting
Bigfoot and he, he stopped by and stayed with me and he had an
encounter. Me and him had an encounter
here. I took him to the spot.
But anyway, the guy's name is shoot, his name is Tom.
He's an older guy and he was a surveyor.
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Out West and he's the one, I think he's the one that said
that about the two moons that then I think that's where I got
it from. Yeah, that that Bigfoot, that
Bigfoot theory is, is pretty interesting to me.
That's something that if anybodyout there, when you hear this,
let let me know. Shoot me a message or e-mail me,
whatever. But let's let's, let's Mr.
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Hunter, let's finish on with that, with that story.
I want to hear. The OK, the more strangeness.
OK, on the on the way the on thetrip, I'll go in there.
They basically made my grandfather an offer and they
said if you if you want to come and live with us on Venus, we
will take you there. He and he said you can live with
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us for 10 years. And they told him, they said
that your brain capacity will beso great when you come back that
the pert the at the, the person here on earth with the greatest,
like highest IQ would have the what they say, like they would
seem to have the intelligence ofa monkey compared to what you
will be able to, to do. Your mental capacity will be
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that high. And you're, you know, you'll
just have learned that much. And my grandfather, he, he
thought about it and he thought,no, I got 3 little kids.
He said I would love to go and, but he said I can't.
He just said I, I can't, I have to take care of my kids.
So my, my grandfather said, no, I, I can't do that.
But they actually offered him togo and stay with them.
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And on the way there, they also told him, they told him the name
of the ship, like the ship captain or whatever.
And it told him the ship captaintold him his name.
And he told my grandfather. He said, if you or any of your
family are ever in any trouble, he said all you have to do is
say my name and we'll be there to help you.
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We'll we'll come immediately to help with whatever it is
somebody hurt dying or whatever,they'll be there to help.
And so anyway, Long story short,they are on the surface watching
these creatures coming up out ofthe thing look like Bigfoot, he
said. He said they was covered in hair
from head to toe. They but they had arms and legs
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just like we do and kind of humanoid features.
And he said he got so excited. Now this is where it takes a
kind of a bad turn. But he said he got so excited
that he couldn't help himself. And he said that that the as
that creature was approaching kind of over towards where they
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were at my grandfather, he said he, he, he just was so excited
and he wanted just to shout out,I, you know, we're here, you
know, there there's life on earth, you know, and I can't
believe it. And, you know, and he tried to
go around to meet, meet this thing face to face, which he was
told strictly not to on the way there.
And as he went around the boulder to come to meet this
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thing, he was face to face with it.
And it just immediately he was, it was like he was zapped and
blacked out. And he said the next thing you
know, he was bouncing half on and half off of his bed.
Like somebody had picked him up and threw him on the bed.
And he was had his clothes on and he's bouncing up down on the
bed, you know, because they've just threw him on the bed and
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then left and he's and left. So he goes back to work the next
day and the guy's gone. Like the guy is not there.
It's like he's never been there.Like nobody even knows who this
guy is. You know, there's like no record
he of him. And my grandfather thinking is
thinking he's going crazy, like he's going nuts.
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You know, he's thinking, am I having a mental breakdown or, or
what's going on here? And so he gets to remember and
my grandfather gets to remember that he went to, he took that
guy to that brothel where that woman was at, where he went up
in the room with the woman, right.
And so he thought, man, I got togo and see if she knows
anything. And so he goes in there, finds
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this lady. And he asked this lady.
He said, do you remember, I don't know, a few days or weeks
or whatever back that I brought this guy in here and you guys
went upstairs and she looked at my grandfather and she said,
yeah, I, I remember you and him coming in here.
And, and he said, well, do you mind if I ask you, you know,
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personal question? He said what happened up there,
by the way, and she said it was the weirdest thing.
She said once we got in the room, she said he didn't want to
do anything like, you know, physical or anything.
All he wanted to do was just interview her.
Like with interview questions like why she did what she did,
how she did, what she did, you know, like anatomy questions and
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this and that. So that.
That's pretty much the end of the story there.
But one of the things I asked mydad when he was a little kid, I,
you know, I went, I asked him, Isaid, when you were a little
kid, did you when all that was going on, do you ever remember
seeing anything? And he said my grandfather took
him out in the country to show him where, where all that
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happened. And when they was driving out
into the country where that happened, he said he's my dad
actually saw a craft come up. I don't know if it come out of
the woods or whatever, but it came up and it just hovered.
And he said it looked like a silver bullet.
And he said that thing just shotoff just like in the blink of an
eye, just as fast, as fast as, you know, in the blink of an
eye, it shot off. So my dad actually got to see
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it. And so another weird thing about
this whole deal is, you know, inthe movie close Encounters of
the Third Kind, where he's sitting in the truck and he's
reading the map and you can hearhim talking on the radio to the
people. And they said, where are you
guys? Where are you guys sitting at
or, or where are you sitting at?And and he said, I'm sitting
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here on Cornbread road. And if you know about a close
encounters that show shot in Muncie.
And that's where I grew up, was up around Muncie, IN and the
road my dad grew up on was Cornbread Rd.
Whoa. So, and then in the 70s, in the
70s, there was big, like a big UFO sightings around where we
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lived at. And they have like a UFO where
they, you call it a flap, I guess, where people saw it.
And I remember as a little kid standing at the back door and my
parents were outside and they were watching this.
The whole neighborhood was watching it.
Like everybody was outside in their yards and they was
watching these lights at night. They were hovering back over be
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to the South of our little neighborhood and they was just
over the like the cornfield backthere.
And then my uncle actually saw one come in and it slowed down
and then it zipped it. It kept zipping, jumping like it
would jump from 1. You know, I don't know.
He said it'd look like it'd jumpabout a mile, you know, in the
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air as you know, as far as you can see, and then zigzag back
and forth just faster than anything a human could, you
know, fly in a anything that we've got so.
Man and. Then my cousin, this is another
weird my cousin when we were little kids, I remember her
talking about having a dream about seeing a UFO land behind
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her house and they were loading up.
Everybody in the neighborhood was was getting on board this
thing like they were load loading them up on a conveyor,
taking him into the the UFO. And when she said that, it was
almost like I had a flashback and I could see that in my mind
just as clear as a bell. And I don't know if we all had a
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mass abduction at that, but thatwould have been around the time
when we were seeing the the UFOsthere.
So when he so let me ask you this, so he, he experienced this
whole, you know, weird like he so he thought he was crazy.
Did he ever get see anything? You know, do they ever come
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back? Not to my knowledge that he
never had another encounter or or anything like that.
And the the weird thing of it was is he was I don't remember
him being a a real sci-fi fan other than maybe when he was a
kid he would watch Buck Rogers. But later on, like he was into
racing like heavy, like buildingrace cars and different things
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like that. And he was like sports and stuff
like that, but. He's a regular dude.
Yeah, he just never. And he didn't, I don't remember
him ever drinking alcohol or anything like that.
Like he was just, he's a straight shooter.
He chewed tobacco. That was the only thing that I
knew that he did of, you know, abad habit was chewed tobacco.
But he, and at one time he was aSunday school teacher.
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I know that doesn't really, you know, doesn't really mean
anything, but I'll just throw that out there.
You know, that's a, that's a, That's such a I'm trying to
process in my head, you know, that's one.
OK, let me ask you this. Do you, do you think that there
was some, maybe your dad told you this or maybe a relative
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told you this, that like, did heever have like some like
reoccurring dreams or anything like anything like that?
That was kind of like he was, you know, that his subconscious,
you know, it really messed with him or anything like that did
change. It did bother him to the point
where if he he would get emotional talking about it
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because they shamed him, you know, everybody shamed him and
they made fun of him. And it was like something that
he was ashamed of that like he didn't want to talk about it, if
that makes any sense. But I just got lucky as a kid to
hear the story. And here's the really cool part
about it. I heard it once when I was set
like I said 13 and then I heard it again when I was 19 and I
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heard it again when I was 23 andnever did he change the details
net the details never change. They always stayed the same and.
And that's, that's, that's, that's just especially if
something, you know, they always, you know, that's one
thing about storytelling and remembering, you know, things
that happened. And they always say that like
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the, you know, eyewitness accounts are really not the most
credible, just, you know, thingsin your memory can change.
But there's, there's sometimes Ithink when there's certain
things that happen to you and you don't forget it, you just,
you will never feel like, you know exactly what happened.
And, you know, it sounds like, you know, you heard that Story 3
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different times. You know, that's, you know,
that's interesting. And especially that he was kind
of he hit. Did he, I mean, could you tell
that his demeanor like, I guess like, you know, I guess did you
ever ask your dad if he had likea demeanor change, like you just
became more depressed or you know, or you know, or he just
kind of like put himself into work, you know what I'm talking
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about, like you. Know, yeah, I would say.
Men's depression is work. Working a lot.
I would think that that played into a lot of him working and
having his hobby as a race car driver, trying to keep keep his
mind occupied. I would say that, well, that was
probably part of it, but I don'tremember.
I don't remember him being depressed, you know, like he
didn't drink alcohol and nothinglike that.
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He, he seemed like he was as long as nobody was bothering him
with it. I mean, he seemed like he was
all right. You know what I mean?
Like he was, he was OK. I, I didn't see him like grief
stricken or anything. I like, I heard my, my father
talk about how he, you know, he seen him crying because nobody
would believe him and he thoughthe was going nuts, you know, so.
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Did your dad believe? Him.
Yeah, I believe my dad did believe him.
He, he had a pretty good grasp on those types of things.
And yeah, I think my dad believed me.
Yeah. Because my dad said he didn't
tell stories like that, you know, I mean, that's like
unusual for for him to even talkabout stuff like that.
So, you know, yeah, that's that's such a great.
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I mean to my as my time on the podcast now, I can remember when
someone told me a really like myfavorite great or my to me,
quote UN quote, the greatest Bigfoot story.
I remember when someone has toldme the greatest dog man story.
You know, the story that you just told I think is my is the
greatest alien alien encounter encounter.
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It would be, you know, that I'veheard cuz I mean, he especially
here on this podcast, I've had so many people tell me they've
seen orbs in the sky that they've seen, you know, people
shape shift and that story that you just told, it is a very
unique story. And I and I appreciate you you
sharing that. Hey, no problem man.
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Like I said, if anybody wants toresearch Doctor Frankie
Stranges, that is a a very interesting story.
It's called, There's a book called Stranger at the Pentagon.
And he actually Valiant Thor supposedly lived in the
Pentagon. And I take it it was close to
the area where the plane hit it during 9/11 or we will say a
plane, but they said nobody saw a plane.
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But anyway, but did you, do you know anything about what Valiant
Thor offered the government at that time?
I remember that they had him there.
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joining me tonight, he joined meback during the Halloween
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I would say he's a conspiracy theorist savant.
Other people may say that he's aBigfoot guy, but I'm joined by
Mr. Ghostly Hunter from parent Hunters of the paranormal.
How's it going man? It's.
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Going well. Can you hear me OK out there?
Perfect. Awesome.
It's good to be back with you. I really enjoyed your show the
last time and I hope you enjoy what I got have to say for you
tonight. So.
Yeah, man. So for those of you guys that
did catch the first episode, it was a live stream.
It's on the it's on Spotify, Apple, all those places.
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He had a really good, kind of, Iguess you could say National
Park, park Ranger type weird situation.
It was a, it was a really good story.
I kept asking him. It was funny.
I had to, I listened back to like a couple months ago and I
was like, man, I was like, where's where's he, where's he
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taking me? I was like, where's he taking?
I kept asking you, OK, but what about the, the cover up?
But he ended up getting to the end.
It was a good crescendo because there's a lot of weird stuff
that's going on nowadays. You know, we have a lot of Park
Rangers getting fired. We have different park entities
and, you know, being let go. But before we get to that,
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before I ask you a question, before we got, you know, live
recording, I guess we're technically live, but we're
recording. You had a story about your
grandfather. Yes, Sir.
Let's hear that. I want, I want people to hear
that cuz you said it was. It's pretty, pretty out there
and I like that. OK, I'll try to do the best that
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I can. And the way I remember it when I
was a little kid, I was probablythe first time I ever heard
about it was when I was 7 or 8 years old.
And it was just, I heard my, my mom and dad talking about it and
I caught something about my grandfather meeting someone that
basically took him on board a spacecraft and went somewhere.
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And so, you know, as a little kid, you, you, you pay attention
to things like that, especially me, 'cause I, I liked Star Wars
and all that. I got to see that in the
theaters, you know, as a kid grew up on Buck Rogers and Star
Trek and you know, the, the normal Battlestar Galactica
stuff. But I, and I always loved space.
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And I remember when I was little, I went to my, it'd be my
great. I'm privileged enough to that I
got to meet my great grandmotherand grandfather and I got to
stay there 1 rare occasion with him.
I'd stay go and see him every now and then.
And my dad would go like work onhis race cars and stuff.
And that's what my grandfather was into race cars too as a
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hobby that, and I would stay with my go over and stay with my
great grandmother and grandfather and, you know, just
kind of hang out for the day while they're working on stuff.
And I remember there was a show back in the 70s and it was
called Logan's Run. I don't know if you've ever seen
it. Logan's Run is the one where
they live in the Dome city and you when once you reach a
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certain age, you basically are terminated at the age of 30, I
think, or something like that. But anyway, I tried to watch
that show and it was coming on. I was so excited.
I was going to get to see that show and I was just foaming at
the mouth as a little kid wanting to watch it.
And then my, my great grandmother and grandfather,
they just shut that, they shut that show off.
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They wouldn't let me watch it. And, and I was just, I, you
know, it's kind of mad, didn't understand at the time.
So later on I, I find out when I'm about 13, I remembered that
story and we was over at my grand grandfather's house.
And I'll come back to why they turned off the, the TV with that
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show anyway. And so I'm talking to my
grandfather and I asked him about it and he, he starts to go
into detail about the, the, his encounter.
Well, the reason why they had shut that TV off was because
they tried to tell him he was crazy and they, you know, mocked
him, made fun of him. And he, they just break him down
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into tears because he, you know,believed it was true.
It to him, it happened. It was an encounter that he had
and an experience that he had and nobody would believe him.
And so I, I asked him about it. And so this is the story that
he, that he told me. He worked in a factory and my,
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my dad had a brother and a sister and they would have been
young and this would have been around the time, I don't know if
any of your listeners out there have heard of Valiant Thor where
they supposedly landed. And he spent like a year or
something like the in the Pentagon or more, it might have
been a little more, but there's a guy by the name of Doctor
Frankie Strange's if anybody wants to look it up.
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And he'll he talks about ValiantThor.
But so it would have been aroundthe same time it would, and I'm
guessing it would been 59, maybe60 somewhere in there.
And my dad was little and my hisbrother and sister were little.
So my grandfather had three little kids at the time.
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And so he's working in a factoryand he worked in shipping and
like shipping and handling like he would, they would load stuff
up on trucks and ship it out or whatever.
And so this guy gets gets hired on and at night it gets kind of
slowed where they they can talk,you know, and about different
things. And so the topic comes up about
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is about life in the universe. And my grandfather asks the this
guy that has just hired on, he said, do you believe that
there's could be, you know, extraterrestrials or, you know,
life on other planets or whatever?
And this this guy looks at my grandfather and he said yes.
He said I believe that there's extraterrestrials and that
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there's life. And he said the reason why I
believe it is because I am 1. And so he tells my grandfather
that he was from the planet Venus and he said like, they
don't live on the outside of theplanet, you know, 'cause it's so
hot. But he said they lived on the
interior of the planet. And he said like the cloud cover
on the outside was, was basically made by them.
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They made the cloud cover. So like satellites and stuff,
couldn't, you know, penetrate the cloud cover to see like
their entrances and, and different things like that.
So he talking to my grandfather and my grandfather's thinking,
you know, this guy's kind of kind of odd, you know, and my
grandfather's really not buying into it.
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And so the guy asked my grandfather.
He said if you had an opportunity to, you know, go to
another planet, where would you like to go to?
And he said, and would you go? And my grandfather said, oh,
yeah. He said I would.
He said, I would like to do that.
I'd like to go. And he said my grandfather told
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him. He said he would like to go to
Mars is where he would like to go.
And so the guy said, well, if I could arrange it, would you go?
And he said absolutely I'll go. And so the guy told him, he said
come and pick me up and meet me at such and such and and I'll
take you. And so my grandfather, he, he
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goes to take him home and drop him off that night.
And he said, my grandfather saidthat back in those days, because
my grandfather was familiar withrace cars and suspension.
You know, anybody that races knows that, you know, suspension
is key. A lot of times like, like
suspension can beat, you know, beat a high, a fast engine if
their cars aren't handling right.
So my grandfather was into that kind of stuff and he said back
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in those days, the suspension onthe cars weren't very good.
So they had a lot of gravel roads and they were washboard
roads. I don't know if you've ever been
out in the country and you hit awashboard, you know, gravel, it
just basically shakes your car to death and about rattle your
teeth out of your head. And so he is taking this guy
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home and they hit a washboard road and it's just like shaking
the car all over the place. And then all the sudden the guy
looks at at my grandfather and he said, he said, you notice
anything different about the car?
And my grandfather said, yeah. He said the car, the car smooth,
the, you know, the suspension smoothed out, the roads gotten
smoother. And the guy looked at him and he
said no, that roads not smoothedout or gotten any smoother.
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He said, I'm, I'm, I'm lifting it up off the ground.
And my grandfather said he was making the car with his using
his mind somehow with, with his mind was making the car lift off
the ground a smooth and they were going along.
You know what I'm saying? I don't know if if I explained
that right. But so anyway, he goes, they
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they go home and he lets the guyout and the guy is showing him
over his house. There's these three stars and
they in the shape of like a, a pyramid, like one at the top and
two at the bottom. And he told him, he said those
are our ships up there. And so he tells my grandfather
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come and get him like the next day or whatever and he'll take
him out in the country and they'll, they'll go on on board
spacecraft. So my grandfather, he goes and
he picks the guy up. And I got to tell you before
that I, I'm getting ahead of myself here.
The guy told my grandfather thathe had never been with a woman.
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And the reason why they were here was they were doing
research and he said he'd never been with a woman and wondered
if my grandfather could arrange for him to meet, you know, meet
a woman to be with. And so my grandfather, being a
little ornery, I guess, knew where the red light district was
and took that guy to a place, I guess you could call it the
brothel or whatever. He said.
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They went in and my grandfather went and sat in like a a little
room and the women came in and the guy picked one out and they
went upstairs and he said he wasn't up there no more in
probably 5 or 10 minutes. And here he comes down the
stairs and the woman's coming down behind him and she's like
looking at him and just shaking her head like in disbelief, you
know. And so he couldn't figure out,
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you know, what had happened. And my grandfather said back
then and even now, you know, like you don't ask people, you
know their personal business. Well, you know what happened.
So he didn't ask. So anyway they leave he arranged
for him to pick my to pick him up and he's going to take him.
And so my grandfather goes pickshim up and they they drive out
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in the country for a while and the guy tells him he says turn
down this little as a little patlike a little dirt Rd. that went
into a woods. And so my grandfather pulled the
car off and he headed start downinto the towards the woods
through this, you know, little path.
And he said inside this woods was a like a like a square
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Meadow. And he said sitting in the
middle of the Meadow was a classic silver disc UFO shaped
with the door down. He said they got out, they got
out of the car, they boarded thecraft.
And he said there was three other ones in I think he said
there was three other ones in there.
And he said to see them, they look just like us.
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He said you would never even know that they were
extraterrestrials. They look just identical to us.
And so he told they, they introduced, he introduced him to
the captain of the ship and everything.
And so they boarded. They get settled in and I think
I asked him what it looked like on the inside.
And he said there was a lot of panels and lights and, and
different things. And he said they sit him down
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and he said they started to takeoff.
And he said it went up in the air, the ship, the, the ship
went up in the air. And he said they got above the
atmosphere and he said they could got to where they could.
He could look out. And I don't know if he's looking
on a screen or a window. I don't remember him saying
screen or window, but he said hecould see the Earth.
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And he said it, it looked like areal pretty blue marble looking
thing. And he said just in, in just
like they flipped a switch or snapped their fingers, he said,
they jumped from our atmosphere to the atmosphere of Mars.
And they're starting to come down into the atmosphere of
Mars. So as they're coming down, as
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they're coming down the atmosphere, the captain and the
others start telling my grandfather, they said, as we we
go down here, we wanted to let you know that there's life,
there's life down here. And he said, we're going to show
you that there's there's life here and that there are, you
know, creatures that live here. And he said, but in no way,
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shape or form are we supposed tomake contact.
You are not to try to reach out to him, not try to talk to him,
nothing that you're, you're not supposed to.
We're not supposed to make contact.
And so my grandfather said they land and there there's like
these. He said there was just boulders
everywhere, these great big boulders.
And he said they're, they're peeking around these boulders
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and there's these cave like things going down into the
ground and hear these creatures come up out of this cave.
And I asked my grandfather. I said, well, what did these?
I said, well, what did them things look like?
And my grandfather said they look like what we would describe
here on earth as a Bigfoot. So I heard, I, I've talked to a
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Bigfoot hunter that said that the Bigfoot had told people
before, you know, the ones that supposed to flee communicate
with them that they come from a planet with where there's two
moons. So that I've heard that and Mars
has two moons. And I found that interesting
later on, you know, of course. That is definitely interesting,
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only I'm going to stop you therefor a second.
OK. Man, OK, I didn't.
OK, that's he. I didn't realize that she was
going, you know, I was thinking it was going to be something
more or less like he was abducted.
But so let me let me ask you this and I want to make sure
that I clarify this because I'm my brain is trying to wrap
around, I mean, you just, you just dropped a few bombs on us
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now, man. You just kind of you kind of
drop some heat on us there. So did he work with this guy at
the factory that he was working at?
Yes, he he, he did. He worked with him.
But it's going to get even stranger.
Well, yeah, look, OK, look before we get there, another
another question I had is so this guy just looked like a
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normal dude, like someone just everyday life.
Yes, if you look at the if you see the pictures of Valiant
Thor, he just looks like he looks like he could be either
Italian or Greek, like a Greek man there.
He's like 6 foot tall, you know,and they and then there's a
woman with him. If you've seen, you know, if you
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have seen the picture of him, there's a doctor, Frankie
Stranges has the pictures of them there.
And you can, if you type in Valiant Thor, you'll see the
black and white pictures of them.
And I think it's hybrid. Highbridge, New Jersey is where
they're at. And there was a guy by the name
of Howard Menger that also had an experience with Venusians
around the same time. So that's at least two different
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ones that I'd heard of before mygrandfather.
But I'd heard that story about my grandfather way before I ever
heard Frankie Stranges. And I'll tell you about some
stuff that's very similar to what Frankie Stranges says here
in a little, but go ahead, I didn't mean to cut you off.
No, no, no, you I that's you're you're you're you're killing it.
That's the details I was about to start asking about.
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And so this he looks like an every everyday guy did So when
he picked when he picked this guy up, did he pick him up at
his house? Was his house look the house
look normal? It was just like an apartment,
like it would have been like an apartment place is where they
would have went to. OK, and then when?
So when he picked him up, they went like in the morning time.
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They just immediately went in the middle of the day.
This thing was out there. Yeah, that's the way I take it.
And he said it was in the end ofdaylight.
They just pulled up in the in this woods like a just a like in
a farmer's field going back to awoods.
A patch of woods went in there and there was a little like a
little square pasture in there with the with the UFO sitting
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right in the middle of it, a disc shaped object.
And did OK. And before I guess before we get
to the rest of the story, he mentioned, you mentioned
Bigfoot. And I know there's going to be a
lot of people, you know, we mentioned Bigfoot anytime people
are going to be asking. I'm just curious as people hear
this story, is anyone out there have heard you know what what
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the what Mr. Hunter is saying about the two moons?
I feel like I've heard that before somewhere.
Do you know if I can't remember it?
Was it someone that maybe mentioned it like like?
Yeah. Go ahead.
I'm sorry. I know.
Go ahead. The it's a famous researcher.
I I TomTom something. Let me see.
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I may have the book getting. Can you give me just a second?
Yeah, Yeah. Let me look and see if I got the
book. Yeah.
And I'll, so basically what I'm,what I'm kind of curious on to
everyone who's going to hear this.
Have you heard that? Has there been any tribes or
nations out there? If you're part of that, have any
type of, you know, lore or mythology or stories about the
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two moons? Because I'm, I'm very interested
in hearing that because I feel like I've heard that before.
But also too, as we're at the like the midway point of this
story in the comments below. Let me know what you guys think.
Yeah, he's, he's bringing the heat, OK, He's got.
The book here, no, I don't have the book.
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I actually the person that that loaned me the book, I, I had to
send it back to him. It was a guy that was hunting
Bigfoot and he, he stopped by and stayed with me and he had an
encounter. Me and him had an encounter
here. I took him to the spot.
But anyway, the guy's name is shoot, his name is Tom.
He's an older guy and he was a surveyor.
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Out West and he's the one, I think he's the one that said
that about the two moons that then I think that's where I got
it from. Yeah, that that Bigfoot, that
Bigfoot theory is, is pretty interesting to me.
That's something that if anybodyout there, when you hear this,
let let me know. Shoot me a message or e-mail me,
whatever. But let's let's, let's Mr.
(20:30):
Hunter, let's finish on with that, with that story.
I want to hear. The OK, the more strangeness.
OK, on the on the way the on thetrip, I'll go in there.
They basically made my grandfather an offer and they
said if you if you want to come and live with us on Venus, we
will take you there. He and he said you can live with
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us for 10 years. And they told him, they said
that your brain capacity will beso great when you come back that
the pert the at the, the person here on earth with the greatest,
like highest IQ would have the what they say, like they would
seem to have the intelligence ofa monkey compared to what you
will be able to, to do. Your mental capacity will be
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that high. And you're, you know, you'll
just have learned that much. And my grandfather, he, he
thought about it and he thought,no, I got 3 little kids.
He said I would love to go and, but he said I can't.
He just said I, I can't, I have to take care of my kids.
So my, my grandfather said, no, I, I can't do that.
But they actually offered him togo and stay with them.
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And on the way there, they also told him, they told him the name
of the ship, like the ship captain or whatever.
And it told him the ship captaintold him his name.
And he told my grandfather. He said, if you or any of your
family are ever in any trouble, he said all you have to do is
say my name and we'll be there to help you.
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We'll we'll come immediately to help with whatever it is
somebody hurt dying or whatever,they'll be there to help.
And so anyway, Long story short,they are on the surface watching
these creatures coming up out ofthe thing look like Bigfoot, he
said. He said they was covered in hair
from head to toe. They but they had arms and legs
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just like we do and kind of humanoid features.
And he said he got so excited. Now this is where it takes a
kind of a bad turn. But he said he got so excited
that he couldn't help himself. And he said that that the as
that creature was approaching kind of over towards where they
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were at my grandfather, he said he, he, he just was so excited
and he wanted just to shout out,I, you know, we're here, you
know, there there's life on earth, you know, and I can't
believe it. And, you know, and he tried to
go around to meet, meet this thing face to face, which he was
told strictly not to on the way there.
And as he went around the boulder to come to meet this
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thing, he was face to face with it.
And it just immediately he was, it was like he was zapped and
blacked out. And he said the next thing you
know, he was bouncing half on and half off of his bed.
Like somebody had picked him up and threw him on the bed.
And he was had his clothes on and he's bouncing up down on the
bed, you know, because they've just threw him on the bed and
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then left and he's and left. So he goes back to work the next
day and the guy's gone. Like the guy is not there.
It's like he's never been there.Like nobody even knows who this
guy is. You know, there's like no record
he of him. And my grandfather thinking is
thinking he's going crazy, like he's going nuts.
(23:43):
You know, he's thinking, am I having a mental breakdown or, or
what's going on here? And so he gets to remember and
my grandfather gets to remember that he went to, he took that
guy to that brothel where that woman was at, where he went up
in the room with the woman, right.
And so he thought, man, I got togo and see if she knows
anything. And so he goes in there, finds
(24:05):
this lady. And he asked this lady.
He said, do you remember, I don't know, a few days or weeks
or whatever back that I brought this guy in here and you guys
went upstairs and she looked at my grandfather and she said,
yeah, I, I remember you and him coming in here.
And, and he said, well, do you mind if I ask you, you know,
(24:26):
personal question? He said what happened up there,
by the way, and she said it was the weirdest thing.
She said once we got in the room, she said he didn't want to
do anything like, you know, physical or anything.
All he wanted to do was just interview her.
Like with interview questions like why she did what she did,
how she did, what she did, you know, like anatomy questions and
(24:48):
this and that. So that.
That's pretty much the end of the story there.
But one of the things I asked mydad when he was a little kid, I,
you know, I went, I asked him, Isaid, when you were a little
kid, did you when all that was going on, do you ever remember
seeing anything? And he said my grandfather took
him out in the country to show him where, where all that
(25:09):
happened. And when they was driving out
into the country where that happened, he said he's my dad
actually saw a craft come up. I don't know if it come out of
the woods or whatever, but it came up and it just hovered.
And he said it looked like a silver bullet.
And he said that thing just shotoff just like in the blink of an
eye, just as fast, as fast as, you know, in the blink of an
eye, it shot off. So my dad actually got to see
(25:31):
it. And so another weird thing about
this whole deal is, you know, inthe movie close Encounters of
the Third Kind, where he's sitting in the truck and he's
reading the map and you can hearhim talking on the radio to the
people. And they said, where are you
guys? Where are you guys sitting at
or, or where are you sitting at?And and he said, I'm sitting
(25:54):
here on Cornbread road. And if you know about a close
encounters that show shot in Muncie.
And that's where I grew up, was up around Muncie, IN and the
road my dad grew up on was Cornbread Rd.
Whoa. So, and then in the 70s, in the
70s, there was big, like a big UFO sightings around where we
(26:18):
lived at. And they have like a UFO where
they, you call it a flap, I guess, where people saw it.
And I remember as a little kid standing at the back door and my
parents were outside and they were watching this.
The whole neighborhood was watching it.
Like everybody was outside in their yards and they was
watching these lights at night. They were hovering back over be
(26:40):
to the South of our little neighborhood and they was just
over the like the cornfield backthere.
And then my uncle actually saw one come in and it slowed down
and then it zipped it. It kept zipping, jumping like it
would jump from 1. You know, I don't know.
He said it'd look like it'd jumpabout a mile, you know, in the
(27:01):
air as you know, as far as you can see, and then zigzag back
and forth just faster than anything a human could, you
know, fly in a anything that we've got so.
Man and. Then my cousin, this is another
weird my cousin when we were little kids, I remember her
talking about having a dream about seeing a UFO land behind
(27:24):
her house and they were loading up.
Everybody in the neighborhood was was getting on board this
thing like they were load loading them up on a conveyor,
taking him into the the UFO. And when she said that, it was
almost like I had a flashback and I could see that in my mind
just as clear as a bell. And I don't know if we all had a
(27:45):
mass abduction at that, but thatwould have been around the time
when we were seeing the the UFOsthere.
So when he so let me ask you this, so he, he experienced this
whole, you know, weird like he so he thought he was crazy.
Did he ever get see anything? You know, do they ever come
(28:06):
back? Not to my knowledge that he
never had another encounter or or anything like that.
And the the weird thing of it was is he was I don't remember
him being a a real sci-fi fan other than maybe when he was a
kid he would watch Buck Rogers. But later on, like he was into
racing like heavy, like buildingrace cars and different things
(28:28):
like that. And he was like sports and stuff
like that, but. He's a regular dude.
Yeah, he just never. And he didn't, I don't remember
him ever drinking alcohol or anything like that.
Like he was just, he's a straight shooter.
He chewed tobacco. That was the only thing that I
knew that he did of, you know, abad habit was chewed tobacco.
But he, and at one time he was aSunday school teacher.
(28:51):
I know that doesn't really, you know, doesn't really mean
anything, but I'll just throw that out there.
You know, that's a, that's a, That's such a I'm trying to
process in my head, you know, that's one.
OK, let me ask you this. Do you, do you think that there
was some, maybe your dad told you this or maybe a relative
(29:12):
told you this, that like, did heever have like some like
reoccurring dreams or anything like anything like that?
That was kind of like he was, you know, that his subconscious,
you know, it really messed with him or anything like that did
change. It did bother him to the point
where if he he would get emotional talking about it
(29:33):
because they shamed him, you know, everybody shamed him and
they made fun of him. And it was like something that
he was ashamed of that like he didn't want to talk about it, if
that makes any sense. But I just got lucky as a kid to
hear the story. And here's the really cool part
about it. I heard it once when I was set
like I said 13 and then I heard it again when I was 19 and I
(29:54):
heard it again when I was 23 andnever did he change the details
net the details never change. They always stayed the same and.
And that's, that's, that's, that's just especially if
something, you know, they always, you know, that's one
thing about storytelling and remembering, you know, things
that happened. And they always say that like
(30:16):
the, you know, eyewitness accounts are really not the most
credible, just, you know, thingsin your memory can change.
But there's, there's sometimes Ithink when there's certain
things that happen to you and you don't forget it, you just,
you will never feel like, you know exactly what happened.
And, you know, it sounds like, you know, you heard that Story 3
(30:36):
different times. You know, that's, you know,
that's interesting. And especially that he was kind
of he hit. Did he, I mean, could you tell
that his demeanor like, I guess like, you know, I guess did you
ever ask your dad if he had likea demeanor change, like you just
became more depressed or you know, or you know, or he just
kind of like put himself into work, you know what I'm talking
(30:58):
about, like you. Know, yeah, I would say.
Men's depression is work. Working a lot.
I would think that that played into a lot of him working and
having his hobby as a race car driver, trying to keep keep his
mind occupied. I would say that, well, that was
probably part of it, but I don'tremember.
I don't remember him being depressed, you know, like he
didn't drink alcohol and nothinglike that.
(31:18):
He, he seemed like he was as long as nobody was bothering him
with it. I mean, he seemed like he was
all right. You know what I mean?
Like he was, he was OK. I, I didn't see him like grief
stricken or anything. I like, I heard my, my father
talk about how he, you know, he seen him crying because nobody
would believe him and he thoughthe was going nuts, you know, so.
(31:39):
Did your dad believe? Him.
Yeah, I believe my dad did believe him.
He, he had a pretty good grasp on those types of things.
And yeah, I think my dad believed me.
Yeah. Because my dad said he didn't
tell stories like that, you know, I mean, that's like
unusual for for him to even talkabout stuff like that.
So, you know, yeah, that's that's such a great.
(32:02):
I mean to my as my time on the podcast now, I can remember when
someone told me a really like myfavorite great or my to me,
quote UN quote, the greatest Bigfoot story.
I remember when someone has toldme the greatest dog man story.
You know, the story that you just told I think is my is the
greatest alien alien encounter encounter.
(32:24):
It would be, you know, that I'veheard cuz I mean, he especially
here on this podcast, I've had so many people tell me they've
seen orbs in the sky that they've seen, you know, people
shape shift and that story that you just told, it is a very
unique story. And I and I appreciate you you
sharing that. Hey, no problem man.
(32:44):
Like I said, if anybody wants toresearch Doctor Frankie
Stranges, that is a a very interesting story.
It's called, There's a book called Stranger at the Pentagon.
And he actually Valiant Thor supposedly lived in the
Pentagon. And I take it it was close to
the area where the plane hit it during 9/11 or we will say a
plane, but they said nobody saw a plane.
(33:09):
But anyway, but did you, do you know anything about what Valiant
Thor offered the government at that time?
I remember that they had him there.
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