May 20, 2025 • 59 mins
Welcome to the 98th episode of the War Cry Podcast. On this episode, Yahola Tiger breaks the movie Sinners, Buffalo Hunter Hunter & Vampires in Native Culture
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They're very, very dangerous. If he spies sense, you know, I
was like, oh, something's off. I'm just like, man, I'm waiting
to hear something, you know? What's going on guys?
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And welcome to another edition of the Warcraft podcast.
I'm your host, Jehola Tiger. And on this edition of this
podcast, we're we're making our way slowly, slowly.
We're inching to that 100th episode mark and I'm still
plotting on what I want to do now.
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Part of me wants to bring in a guest.
Another part of me wants to do my own thing.
There's just so many avenues I can go down for the 100th
episode. And as we creep along, you know,
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I'm going to bring be bringing you all some interesting topics.
We haven't talked about a lot ofthese topics.
And so on this episode we're going to be talking about
vampires and native culture. And also, I'm going to be
reviewing centers. I've given it a couple couple
weeks. I saw it the advanced screening.
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I saw that like before anyone else could because of Cinemark,
shout out Cinemark. But we're going to be talking
about that. But before we do, I got to get
this stuff out the way. Patreon, YouTube memberships
links will be in the descriptionbelow.
You need to join. There will be after the 100th
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episode I'm plotting on interviews that I want to do
that will be only members only. So you'll need to get over
there. You may get clips, you may get
previews. You may get, you know, maybe 1/2
episode like with hundreds of the paranormal and weird main
paranormal. Those two episodes that are out
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on the on on YouTube are only half the episode or 1/4 of the
episode. I went like 2 1/2 hours with
those guys, but the full entire episodes we get into all types
of crazy stuff, but those are onthe member the members only in
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Right now it's 98. This is the 98th episode, but
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I know it's probably easier thanI think of getting Patreon and
Spotify on the same wavelength, so you'll be able to purchase
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things are I won't be. So the podcast will be slowing
down after that 100th episode because of summer.
I love summer. Y'all ain't going to catch me
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Now let's get to the show. So another thing that has kind
of coincided with these the Center movie and you know, kind
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of the soundtrack came out, as you guys know, if you follow me
on TikTok, I'm a pretty big Jerry Cantrell fan.
He's the guitarist of Alice In Chains.
He's also, you know, does his own thing.
He just dropped a new album, 2025.
My favorites off that album right now is off the rails.
Just sounds like lanes in there.Lane Staley from the the singer
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who passed in 2002. It just sounds man.
That song just gives me those old vibes.
But go check out Jerry Cantrell's new album.
Also, my cousin is he's so it's funny, I have heard this story,
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you know, bits and pieces of it over the years from my dad and
others. And you know, my cousin Aaron
and my dad, my dad doing the interviewing, you know, shout
out to my dad for. For asking the questions that
everyone wants to know, but. This is that story of him trying
to, you know, trying to trying to meet Jerry Cantrell, but also
to trying to get his stuff published.
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All right, the names have been changed to protect the innocent.
All right, who wants to start it?
This is a story of we going to leave the names out.
My cousin's Aaron his getting his tape to Cantrell.
We were in a abandoned high school called Under the Hill.
Yeah, And we would sit around mymom's computer and just, like,
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record guitar tracks to MIDI drums, like fake drums.
And we're like, oh, this is the perfect demo.
He's like, I don't know how we came.
I don't. I don't even remember how we got
the idea to go down there. We saw his house on MTV Cribs
and we saw the rooster video andit shows his mailbox.
It says ATOCA and there's his first album's called Boggy Depot
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and there's a big Rd. down therecalled Boggy Depot Rd.
So we figured it couldn't be that hard to find.
So Saturday we went down there and took our demo CD and wrote a
letter and left your home numberon it 'cause we didn't have cell
phones. You can tell like I kind of told
him how he's like, we know the ageneral idea, like where this
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place is. So his dad came along.
'Cause he's a master. Manipulator.
He knows enough about tractors, so I guess.
Yeah, we knew he had a farm and we didn't know how to get there,
and our token's not that big of a place.
So he said pull into this farm insurance place, and he goes in
and tells the guy he's looking for Jerry Cantrell's house
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because he knows where's his cousin or something, something
like that. I don't know that that's that,
but somehow he gets into this guy's truck and takes off with
him and we're sitting there and we don't know what's going on
And he he comes comes back and tells us how to get there.
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When we went to the wrong driveway, we were taking
pictures of that house and thesepeople's car came and followed
us down this dirt road and cut, cut me off and got out was like,
why are you taking pictures of my house?
I was like, sorry, I was lookingfor my friend's house.
And he's like, Oh, well, you just go down here and this way
and there's a church sign and you turn left there and you go
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down, what, a couple miles and there's, there's this ranch,
it's got a big double J sign, double J ranch.
And we, the gate was locked. So we just left our little
letter on there and our CD and. How?
What year was this? 04/04 yeah.
We've just graduated, I think, or we were going to.
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We're about to. Graduate.
Yeah. We're still, we're still in
school because people were asking about it.
Yeah, yeah. Man about a month later.
Oh yeah, we get a phone call from I don't know, my dad
answered the phone like he normally does, like hello, She
could have been go whatever he does, however, he did it but and
he's like hello, who? What?
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Aaron? I'm Aaron Jerry Cantrell.
It's like Aaron, you got a phonecall.
What? And he said, so hey, this is
Jerry. Like he's.
I like the sound of your demo. How'd you get to my place?
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I just told him whatever. I was at work here.
At work, Yeah. He came to McDonald's and told
me. I walked in like something bad
happened. Like it was you, Mary and your
dad. Yeah, They walked in and they
just looked all pale looking at me.
And I was like. What?
Yeah. He called the house.
He said he called. That's who called Jerry.
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No way. He had caller ID, so he got his
number. Yeah.
So we we still have it. I got it somewhere, but yeah, he
talked to him a couple of times.He's a cool guy.
What? What track?
Was it a track or was it a certain?
It was like. 3 or 4. I think it was like 5 or five
songs. We had like his instrumentals
because we didn't. We didn't.
Have a singer? Did didn't he play it for Kid
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Rock or something? He played, yeah, he played it.
He said he played it for Kid Rock on their tour bus because
they're touring at that same time.
Yeah, that's what he's. He mentioned something about
that when I was on the phone with him.
It's like track fours. Like I was like, dude, I wrote
that one. He was.
Like that's the only one I didn't have a hand in, right?
Yeah, he was playing for Kid Rock.
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Kid Rock, like some of it. And.
That's about as far as it went, but it was cool.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you get like a backstage
pass or? Something we we almost did.
It was for cardboard vampires. Yeah, his his cover band.
Yeah, it was. He is playing with ZZ Top.
OK, we went to the show. We went.
Yeah. That's awesome.
So that's the story after all these years, finally.
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Never. Heard.
It yeah, man, that I forget I was sitting here laughing
because when I hear when I heardthe song or the the story the
first time I laughed. And then every time I because
you can hear, it's just, it's one thing about going, you know,
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being around. Family like that.
Y'all just start laughing like that, man.
That's just, I love it and I'm glad, I'm glad my dad got that
story from Aaron. And I want to the reason why
they were all together is, you know, we had a family member
pass and it was kind of sudden like that.
So my thoughts are with my family over there out in
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Checotah and, and hopefully theyhear this and get a good laugh
out of that because that's a lotwhat happens, man.
We don't really come together unless it's somebody's death.
And that makes me sad. But you know, I'm kind of a I'm
kind of in a in a spot where youlose somebody and it's hard to
go back to where they're where they were at.
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And that's a lot of it for me. But I'm glad my dad got to go
down there and see, you know, our Kyle Muskogee Creek side of
the family and, you know, got tohang out and, you know, you can
hear people in the background. You know, everybody's chatting
it up back there. But but that's Jerry Cantrell
story that I have been, you know, I've been asking about it
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for a long time and I'm glad I finally got out here on the
podcast for y'all to listen to as well.
And you're wondering like, what does this have to do with
vampires? You hold them.
So Jerry Cantrell was on the soundtrack to Sinners, the movie
that just came out with Michael B Jordan, and that was a perfect
segue into Sinners of the movie.That movie is an experience.
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It is a when I left me and my wife went to watch it early
early. Viewing, you know I.
I couldn't quite put words into the amount of detail and the
amount of history that a lot of people don't really talk about
nowadays. It's kind of a, it's kind of AI
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don't say hidden history, but it's just not talked about.
You know what in the MississippiChoctaw and you had the Irish
and you had the Chinese or the Asian community and the black
community, and it just gave a lot of metaphors and a lot of
insight to how it was back then,but also to kind of how it is
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now, you know, and there was a couple flashbacks.
Now I want to say this because II've been hearing this a lot
from a lot of Christians And if you're in this group of people,
that's one thing that I think drives me more nuts is when
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there's a certain experience or certain movie or music and it's
deemed, oh, that's, that's satanic.
That's the sinners. Oh my God, I can't go see that.
You start clutching your pearls and you're you grabbing your
purse and you're. Oh no, we.
Can't it says sinners, we can't go see that because they're
talking about things that just are not.
I just can't. My my faith will be tested.
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That is what is wrong and that'swhat that movies telling.
You know the movie talks about now.
Some of that the movie centers is starring Michael B Jordan,
Hailee Steinfeld, few other people who are in and I can't
think of their names off the topof my head.
And it follows Michael B Jordan stacking smoke.
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He plays two twins and they're trying to open up a Juke joint,
you know, Blues Juke joint. They just moved back from
Chicago. And there's a lot of tones in
that, you know, the the the younger guy who's the Blues
player, you know, they always this is kind of been a thing for
a long time, especially when it comes to like Robert Johnson and
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them, you know, people thinking that he sold a soul, which he
probably did, He might have. And people always saying that
the Blues was kind of demonic init because of that area was the
devil's music. Does it get you all gyrating and
and vibing out? But that is the backbone of what
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music is today. It is y'all can sit here and be
Oh no, Elvis took a lot of that stuff from Muddy Waters and a
few of these other Juke joint players who end up being
prominent Blues musicians. You know, there's certain vibes
in country right now that you'llhear a little bit of that.
You know the kind of the pickingit's called, I guess they call
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it like pick planting where you just pick it.
It's not really like chords you just playing and he wants to be
a a famous musician in this movie The the young man and I I
can't believe I'm forgetting hisname.
But when he plays the when he plays the Blues, so good it they
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think it opens up a portal to let in these these demons when
they vampires. And you know, he's battling with
his father, pushing him towards the church.
And you know, he wants to play Blues because he's good at it.
He can sing and play and he's having trouble.
He's having that that pool. And that was one thing that I
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never really understood. And then maybe, you know, black
people, if you guys listen to this, which you know, I need,
you know, I'm kind. Of curious on what y'all think
about this, but I'm not going tocover the entire film, I'm just
going to kind of give you the high points.
And so then they opened up the Juke joint and they start
playing music and these vampiresshow up.
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That's the premise of the movie.Now, there are details in this
that I literally kind of got like, not choked up, but I, I, I
really, you know it. Hit me in a certain way and how
this pertains to Natives is there's a scene in the movie and
everybody's seen this, that Remic is the vampire.
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He's an Irish vampire and he's running in the sun.
He's trying to get away from somebody.
And he's going up to the door and he's bam, please, hey,
please. There's there's engines coming
to get me. There's engines coming to get
me. And the woman says there's no
Indians around here and they're gone.
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And when she said that, there was like a like a tinge that hit
my back. You know, it was like I put to
my neck, not anger, but just kind of like that.
You know, it's kind of the epitome of how people view
natives. Like some people don't even
think they're still around. It's from 1800s stuff.
You know, they don't think we'restill around and living and
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kicking up until here. And, you know, they people, I've
told this story before, but I, you know, used to work at a call
Center for Blue Cross and Blue Shield, you know, years ago.
And I had people from New York and Los Angeles and floor, you
know, some of these Florida is they're like, oh, your, your
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name. What is it?
What is that? It's awesome.
Muskogee Creek. And they'd be like, oh, do y'all
still live in teepees out there?Or they'd ask me, do y'all, do
y'all even have transportation? Do y'all ride horses still?
And I'm like, yeah, you know, you don't really know how to
answer because you people just ignorant, you know, but it's
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just it's weird. It's one of the weirdest
experiences to be kind of not, not forgotten about, but kind of
forgotten about. And when she said that in that
in that scene, he said, no, they're coming.
Well, I need to, I need help. And as you look into the the
house, it had a a clan outfit. And Remic adapts to that.
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He understands this is how I'm going to make my way into this
house. She lets him in and all sudden
these vultures, or I think it's vultures, I kind of at first
thought it was crows, but these vultures showed up and the
Mississippi Choctaws come ridingup, you know, and they had their
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little cage that they were trapping him in.
And it kind of gave you a littlepreview at the beginning of the
movie, you know, kind of in picture form.
Or I might have been in the, in the, in the, the ending credits,
I can't remember. But I saw it online and it talks
about, you know, in, in picture form about these beings, you
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know, being around natives and natives knowing that they're
here and they're around. And so when those Mississippi
Choctaw come show, I'm showing up at the door.
And he said, is there a man here?
You know we're looking for this man.
And she's like, no, I don't knowwhat you're talking about.
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You need to get off my porch. You know, being all rude.
He goes, OK, well, in his in, inthat Choctaw language, he's
like, all right, well, I'm will say this prayer for you.
And, you know, I wish you the best.
And she kind of scoffs. And he kind of had this look on
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his face like, yeah, you're in trouble.
And they all looked at each other and he, one of the guys
behind him whistles and, you know, it's time to go.
We need to get, we need to get home.
And he's like, you know, you know, I hope the best for you
and walks away. And I seen a lot of people
online being like, well, why didn't they help the white
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people and the black people? They knew about these things.
And it's funny, the lack of awareness.
For a lot of years, we've been telling you all about some of
these things. Bigfoot, shape shifters, little
people. We've been talking about these
things and telling you about them for a long time.
Not just me, elders before me. They said there's things out
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here that you are not natural, you don't know.
We don't know nothing about them.
But y'all don't know nothing about them.
But we know and we're telling you we're here to help you.
And a lot of times those Europeans now Americans come and
scoff at us and say, oh, that's crazy, that's not real, there's
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nothing out here. And then guess what?
They get took or something happens to them.
You know, in those days, the things that were roaming, you
know, we didn't know anything, you know, y'all didn't know
anything about them. You are, they're showing up on
this land where these people aretelling them don't go to this
location, you may not come back.It's dangerous.
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And you're being scoffed and said, I got a gun.
I can sometimes a gun don't workagainst you know what, what's
out there. And so they they they kind of
nod and they look and sons aboutcoming down and OK, well, and
then the movie ensues. But I hear that I heard that a
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lot. And then there was also people
out there that were saying this is exactly what natives have
been saying. And this is a small piece of
what how our voices are not heard all the time, even in
podcasting right now. I just did an interview with
Squatch and Holler and I mentioned briefly this is the
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other day. A lot of non natives are
reporting and talking about telling stories about native
things that they don't know and they chalk it up to myth or so
just if those Mystic Indians talking about, you know, what
happened in forever ago and a lot of times these things are
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still happening, you know, and I'm going to get into some
things that you know, have happened recently regarding
these blood medicine type things.
I don't like talking about it, but I thought I'd give you all
this episode because that scene hit me hard.
And then the the aftermath afterthat and people were talking.
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They didn't come back and help them.
They knew all about them. And if y'all haven't heard me
say this and other native podcasts say this, we were told
to always be in inside at night.You know, we, we never, well, we
don't ever go looking for something at night because it
will find you and it'll get you.That's always been a thing.
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Then that's part of this. It's a very kind of a nuanced
way of saying we know what's outhere.
We want to go to the safety of our homes.
Because if you notice in the movie, guess who has to be
invited to come into their home?They have to be a vampire.
They got to be invited. And a lot of times they'll knock
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on the doors and they'll, you know, try to get their way in by
seducing you. And no, it's you know, like in
the movie they said seduced and,and you know, one of the
characters, you know, and then they also like, we'll get
somebody and try to make their way in and so that they can take
over. And there's a lot of different
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like greed, gluttony, lust. There's AI think the seven
deadly sins played a part in this too as well.
Different aspects of each character.
And I that movie is so fascinating.
So if you have not seen sinners,you need to go see it.
I don't know if it's even still in theaters right now, but when
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it comes out, you need to go. You need to watch it.
Even if you are someone who feels like it's testing your
faith. If something, if a movie test
your faith, your faith isn't really that strong.
I'm just going to keep it 1000. If if media is influencing you
and changing the way that your faith is, then your faith isn't
that strong. That's just the way it is.
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But that scene, the Mississippi Choctaws, really had me thinking
about a lot of different storiesthat I've heard and a lot of
different, I guess you could saybeings that have been talked
about. And I just told a story on the
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latest this is creepy about these entities, this being this,
this person who knows how to howto extract from people.
And there's different legends going all the way around.
I commented on somebody's post just kind of detailing what I
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believe or what people were asking about.
Oh, does natives actually reallyknow these things are out here?
And, you know, one of the beingsI just recently talked about,
you know, is a Raven mocker. Now, is it really sucking the
blood and taking, you know that from people?
Not really, but it's taking the heart.
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But it takes those things to extend its life.
And that's kind of what these vampires do.
If you guys know the mythology behind vampires, I'm sure
everybody does. I'm talking about the Edward
Colin vampires. Everybody, my Twilight fans out
there. I've only watched the first one,
but I just, I have a hard time when they start glittering in
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that sun just rough, rough like that.
But one thing that is, is about vampires is that they had, you
know, the legend and a lot of the kind of myth, you know, way
it's explained is that I know that some people think vampires
are a metaphor, metaphor for gaypeople or the LGBTQ back in the
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late days. That's kind of how they
described them. Maybe that was also something I
was seeing online and it was kind of villainizing that sect
people, which, you know, we always find ways to do that to
people. You know, it's neither here or
there, you know, minding your mind, your business, I guess is
what it comes down to. And you know, them portraying
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these entities and these beings as this sect of people.
It's just something that's always, I think it's always
going to happen. And I think it back in the older
days is kind of how it was. But that's another kind of
caveat. Another.
Caveat is that they're real. And if they're out there, you
know, Louisiana, New Orleans is always, always, always gotten
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the rap for vampires. Stories have been coming out.
I heard of energy vampire story that I'm not sure if I even
believe it. It's kind of crazy.
Basically that they were stealing essences and and
stealing the people call it Luche, but I don't really like
that work. It sounds weird, but it's like a
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essence is being drawn out of that person and that's kind of,
you know, what's being happened.And they do that to people
there. I know people talk about Count
Saint Germain and they're sayinghe's been living forever and
he's holed up in Louisiana. And a lot of it to me is kind of
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I'm not sure really what's what on that.
But vampires as a whole, I'm going to say this.
I think they're out there. You know, people say if if
werewolves are real and werewolves are real, actual, I
believe it, I believe it Bigfootis real.
I believe it. Something passed around
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mermaids. I'm like, I don't know about
mermaids, but it might be. But that's one thing that in
native culture we we have seen these things.
And when I mentioned before I commented on somebody's video,
someone from the Cree Nation replied back to me and said,
yeah, we, we have these things in our, you know, histories.
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I can't pronounce the name, not gonna lie.
But he's, you know, he said thatthose things are there.
They've been there. They've been around for a long
time. And they blend in.
It's kind of like, you know, people talk about aliens
blending in, but you know, thesethings are they're out there out
in Cree Nation, that's out in Canada.
There's all these different stories and another and I have
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mentioned Buffalo Hunter Hunter,and that really made me feel
some type of way as well. And that story is about a
Blackfoot Indian who becomes a vampire and he and his war party
come up on this overturned, kindof, it was like a battlefield of
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such. And they're, they're making
their way and they see this cageand it's got something in it,
but they can't really see. And, you know, it's kind of
getting dark. And they had a like a cloak,
cloak around it. And I'm visualizing it as I'm,
as I'm telling you guys, but they open up the thing and they
step in and they see that there's all this meat laying
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around in around the cage and inthe cage.
And I'm like, what is going on here?
And they look in there and they see it's a a beam and he's like
what? And they end up releasing this
thing and luckily they were saved by a an enemy bullet.
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Right. But the the main character good
stabs is his name. He was bit and he wakes up like
days later and everyone's dead and he's not, but he's all burnt
to crisp because they would burnthe Indian, the the Indians
bodies after. So he goes on this journey and
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he comes to realize that the more blood you intake is, you
know, if you drink the blood of a of a, you know, of A4 legged
or if you drink the blood of a long hair, you know, all these
different animals in the way that he describes them, talks
about that you become that and put there was a, there's a part
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of me that is interested to knowif maybe that's what we see.
Maybe we don't under maybe someone doesn't understand or
you know, someone who is that way.
You become what you eat, and that's always been something
that you hear too over the years.
So he he drinks a lot of these different animals and he can
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tell that he's changing. His body is morphing and he goes
on this journey to kind of exactrevenge on something that
happened in his childhood. And also the story also follows
A preacher or AAI guess it's a priest and the priest was had a
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had a kind of ACD past. And he writes down in this
journal the story of this black foot Indian called good Stabs.
And years later, his ancestor orthe his ancestor, his his
descendant finds the notebook wrapped in Buffalo hide and she
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begins to read the story. And that's how the story begins.
One thing about that book that really gave made me rise like I
was really, I was really upset reading this and especially the
words being said, not upset, butI was it was it really perturbed
me, irritated me is the priest that, you know, basically didn't
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care. He said he didn't care about
anybody really. And he the way he treated some
of these these Indians just it'sjust just makes me it makes me
really upset and it makes me think that's just a that's just
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a story. But you hear all these stories
about Wes, especially, you know,trying to kill the savage and
save the man in these residential schools.
And that's one evil and that's colonization and how this
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religious aspect takes over tookover a people.
And you see good stabs over the the time that he's a vampire and
over the years that people are starting to forget they're great
grandfathers. They didn't ever know who they
were and they forget where they came from.
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And you find out why they forgetthey're forgetting in this book.
And I'm not going to ruin it fory'all, but y'all need to go read
it. Buffalo hunter hunter.
It's A twist. And it it literally made me feel
just like Mississippi Choctaw felt, you know, in that time
frame on in sinners is like you guys have overtaken us and you
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have dressed like us. You have, you know, you have
become European, you've become colonized and there's nothing we
can do. It's it's too late.
And another part of that too, isBuffalo hunter hunter is because
he's the good stabs is is basically hunting the Buffalo
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hunters. And that's why it's called that
is that's plotting his revenge because you know of them
slaughtering every single Buffalo and poisoning the meat.
And then the natives will come and take the meat and then die
because they poison the meat. So it's a lot.
It's a lot of just just it's rough.
It's a it was a rough read, but to understand a point of view
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that maybe isn't yours, I would suggest that you read it.
And just that's just that's my book of 2025.
It no, no, hands down, like no doubt about it.
It is 10 out of 10. And the ending is, I'm not going
to spoil it, but it's very, it'sa it's very almost, I don't know
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how to say it, but it's just it makes you it it brings something
out in you, you know, trying to correct the paths of your
ancestors. And there's a lot, you know,
that, you know, some people might say, oh, it's woke or
it's, you know. This is just.
Propaganda trying to make Indians seem like they're the
victim, you know, and it does talk about some like it does
talk about how some natives or Indians were turning on other
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Indians selling out. So hopefully they could get good
favor with the Calvary and the government there in that time.
And it happened, you know, there's nothing, you know, not
you know, everybody was innocentin a lot of this stuff and it's
very complicated and but it's just like what we see today.
It's just, it's just not right. It wasn't right.
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And you know, you're giving people these impossible tasks.
Well, you need to be a scout forus or we kill your entire clan.
We to kill your entire people that are sitting, you know, that
are over this hill. That was the ultimatum given.
So most people understand why I need to, I need to just suck it
up and do this and be someone who I'm not just for my people.
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And that's what really made me, you know, understand my me.
You know, I, I have worked in a lot of different aspects and in
recreation. I've worked in non non
government, I've worked in nonprofits.
I work in government as these things.
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And that was one thing that I noticed about me specifically is
that I'm, and I've said this on different lives before and
episodes and that there were hills that I died on that I
probably could have been better at or maybe maybe compromised
who I was, you know, And at the end of the day, my goal is for
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the people. That's what I've always, that's
why I got into these certain fields and is try to make things
better and more efficient for people, you know, who are paying
taxes for this stuff. And a lot of times, you know,
upper management was like, oh, well, we need to do this because
it's easier for us. And sometimes being, it being
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easier for the worker and the employees, sometimes always
isn't the best for the, the people, you know, it doesn't
always align. And that's another reason why I,
I just, I just can't do it anymore.
I can't, can't compromise how I feel.
And that's a lot at A at a much higher, you know, risk, you
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know, in this book is being, youknow, given an option of joining
me that the evil, the evil that you know, is evil or the
unknown. And sometimes a lot of people
would rather have the devil you know than the devil you don't.
But Buffalo hunter, hunter, I cannot say it enough.
I'm getting I was a little preachy there.
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But you know, at the end of the day, I just I'm trying to
describe how I can describe things in the way that that I
comprehend things. And my 5th grade reading level
was having trouble. But Buffalo Hunter Hunter in
centers, you know, those are my movies of the year.
His centers got a five star for me.
I haven't given a five star to amovie in probably five years,
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but that one got a five star. And then Buffalo Hunter hunter
is 10 out of 10, five out of five.
It's 100% for me because of the way that they, they both, both
of these forms of media interpret a lot, you know, in
the time and, and, and place that it is.
I couldn't, I could not even imagine, you know, being a black
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person, a sharecropper, nonetheless battling the KKK,
but also the battle in this vampire and also battling the
church. It's rough.
I know there's a lot of people trying to deconstruct from those
ways and I, I don't blame them at all.
I don't. You know, I've, I have done a
lot of deconstruction of my beliefs, you know, over the last
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couple years because I don't understand the unquestioned.
I'm, I'm, I'm a person who questions things.
Why are we doing this? You know, I need to understand
the why. And a lot of times when I would
ask those questions growing up, I'm, you know, it's just because
we need, this is what God has usto do.
OK, All right, but I just can't do it anymore.
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And that's, you know, that's in my beliefs.
Don't will never align with someone else's.
And I always tell people your God is not my God.
And people kind of look at me when I've said that.
Like, what do you like? What?
Like the God that you were? Well, you worship the you
worship the Christian God. I, I don't, I don't worship
that. I worship the God And I, you
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know, I give my, my, my thanks and my prayers to a God that,
you know, isn't that one? And there is a, there is a
higher power, there is a creatorof this world.
Nothing. It doesn't make sense to have
it, you know, blown up, you know, in The Big Bang theory.
And then here we are evolving. That just doesn't in my head
doesn't it doesn't make sense either.
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And that science is a religion too as well.
There's a lot of people who follow the science and science
is not made indefinite. Things change.
That's why they call it a hypothesis or a theory,
conspiracy theory, you know, just saying.
So those things have really had me thinking those movies.
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And I mentioned the Raven Mockerearlier.
One thing about that, that being, and I've never really got
a clear understanding. And in my head, I'm, I'm trying
to piece together the information that I have of these
beings and of these people or witches is kind of what how how
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I was described. Muskogee Creek say witches and
Cherokees, call them Raven mockers.
And I've told that story about my grandmother and you know, the
things coming after her and hearing talking and just weird
things going on while she was passing away, like there's
something was coming for her. And I just told him to last.
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This is creepy about a woman outof Jay, Oklahoma, telling me her
story about a family member passing.
And they were coming home from asoftball game.
And you could hear him coming. It's not like they're like, and
it was, you know, daytime, but it was getting dark.
And you can start to hear him talk and you can hear him
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coming. It's a certain sound.
And I can't, can't describe it. And I mentioned the very
beginning. I had a relative who passed.
Well, my dad had heard them coming and they're always
around. They're always coming for some
something or somebody. And it's not everybody.
So if you're hearing this, you're like, Oh my God, I need
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to, you know, I need to. No, they don't.
I don't know if they, I don't know how it works.
I just know that that's how it is sometimes.
And you know, I had a conversation with the Squatch
and Holler and a guy named Ken Shivers and we just did a live
stream on his episode on his platform and YouTube channel.
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And they talked about when you like, when someone passes, you
stay with the body. And that's why that's why you
stay with the body is these things will come.
They want, they want to get thatlast bit of essence to extend
their life. And I was always told that
growing up as you need to just, you know, there's always someone
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designated to watch and stay with the person, even if they're
as they're dying. So always somebody with them.
And one thing that was really weird and my dad was telling me
this couple weeks ago, maybe a week ago, is that he would he
heard talking, he heard him coming.
He knew something was coming, like something was about to
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happen. He didn't really quite know who
it was or where. But I think that they're
connect. We're connected to them in some
way. I don't really know how in terms
of maybe my family or because itis dealing with I caught blood
medicine. I just don't know how else to
describe it. Maybe if someone can educate me
on what to call it, I'd be appreciative of that.
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But he could hear him coming andthen he told his cousin said,
Hey, I heard something the othernight.
Weren't really sure. You know, my, the dogs, my
parents dogs that they have overthere are my dogs, but they were
over there and they got real scared and they started to try
to come in the house because they could hear something that
they didn't know what it was andthey were scared.
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And those two dogs, man, they'll, they'll eat anything.
They'll kill if you come within their little fence.
Oh no, it's, it's on like if you're an animal or a cat.
No, they're coming for you. They're going to, they're going
to crunch on you. But they were scared of
something. And he tells my, my dad tells
our, our cousin, he's like, man,I might have heard something
(45:31):
like that too. I can't really.
But then we had a relative pass and my dad thinks that that was
it was Raven mockers. They they were coming, they knew
something was coming and they were trying to to get to that
person. And, you know, you stay with the
body and you make sure that theyget a safe passage, you know,
to, you know, to the next life. And a lot of the, the stories in
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the, in the legends about the Raven mockers, they take their
heart and they take certain things like that.
Cause the heart produces blood, blood.
There's something to the blood. I don't know.
I know people say, oh, it's the,you know, they'll use the, you
know, the, the, the word, I don't want to say it on YouTube,
but the, the Chrome is what I'llcall it.
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People talk about that a lot andthat there's something in the
blood. And I believe that there's
something in our blood that and some people's blood that's just
more potent. You know, in the Buffalo Hunter
Hunter book, they talk about people that have this certain
blood and it's not like actual material blood.
It's something it's an essence in the blood that they just
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can't get enough of it. And they try to lay.
That's what they look for. They try to find it anywhere
they go, these vampires. And I wonder if that's real with
these Raven walkers as they knowsomebody's got that something.
There's something to them. I don't know what it is, but I
need to have it. And even in even in sinners,
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this kid could play the guitar man.
He was great and it and Remic wanted a piece of that.
He wanted him. You know, he wanted to make that
his and know and understand why that you know why he's so
special. And so there's something to
that. If you see it through all medias
and especially 2 separate medias, you have a a native
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telling a story, a native story.Then you have a black guy and
write Ryan Coogler. Stephen Graham Jones is the
author of Buffalo Hunter Hunter,but you know, he's telling a
specific thing and he's talking about people who have this
special thing and these vampireswant it.
And you have Ryan Coogler who isthe the director for centers,
he's talking about the same thing.
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So there's something to that. I don't know if it's just maybe.
You know, copied. But I believe in it.
I believe in energy vampires. You ever just be around someone?
They just suck in the life out of y'all just like man, I can't
be this person is emotionally draining.
I think they're out there. I think some people don't know
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they're that they are that you know, sometimes, but it is the
vampire topic, you know, is verynuanced and very, you know, long
history, you know Vlad the Impaler.
But I wanted just to come on here and, you know, talk about
that, talk about my thoughts on these, because in the book in it
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talks about wanting to be something different, wanting to,
you know, be maybe someone you're not.
And that's the main vampire. And even talks about in that
book, like his passage over to the new world and how he was
excited for new blood and things.
Just weird. It was just man, it just made me
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like, but let me know what you guys think.
If you guys have any comments, I'll run a Part 2 of this topic.
If you're any native nations outthere or tribes that you have
some history with vampiric like blood related beings, let me
know. I know, you know, I know that
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there are other things out thereand I can't, you know, quite
pronounce some of the names, youknow, but also too, it's kind of
interesting told a story, you know, from an Osage guy long
time ago, it's probably 4 years.I told the story I had got the
story from him via a live streamI was on.
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I can't remember the name of thelive stream I was on, but I was
on there as a guest and he came on and was telling me the story
and wanted to know if he needed to be protected from this.
And that's one thing too. I want to talk about this too
before I go is I go back to you believe what you believe.
And if you believe in that, there's power to that.
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So if you believe, if you're a Southern Baptist person and you
believe in that and that's your faith, that's what you need to
sit on. I have a lot of people who will
reach out to me and say, well, how do I get rid of these
things? Do I need to go to a medicine?
No, because you don't believe inthat.
You don't believe in that. You're you're, you're trying to
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fight battles with the wrong type of weapons.
And a lot of times I always tellpeople, if it's around you just
leave it alone. You go about your business and
they'll go about theirs. And that's with anything
Bigfoot, you know, all these different other beings that are
out there creep in the night, You know, they're always around.
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And that's one thing that peoplealways ask me.
They're always like, well, how do?
I do I need this? Use your faith.
If you believe in your faith or if you're someone who doesn't
have faith, then maybe that's where you bring someone in and
try to figure this out. I see a lot of people doing
paranormal hunting and they're using things that I'm just like,
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I don't know, I don't really know, you know, about the
paranormal in the, the, the prayers and things like that.
I had Patrick Meekin on a while back in October and he talked a
little bit about how to get rid of it and specific prayers for
that belief. And it's very interesting.
It's a very interesting concept.And one thing about my podcast
(51:25):
is I'm always, I'm open to everything.
Someone can change my mind. You know, I, you would take
information and resources and, and log them into this thing
here. And just, and just it may load
slow. Now sometimes, you know, when
you got to upload something likeGod, it's only on 54%.
That's me. I'm like very, I'm just logging.
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I'm just slowly process until it's all the way uploaded and
then I'm OK. That makes sense.
And but that's one thing that, you know, if you are someone who
you're, you heard what I said earlier and you're like, I don't
really know. He might be the devil.
He is. He is not worthy of my time and
my views and and that's fine. You know, I had I had people
(52:10):
sometimes that will, that will, you know, message me and be, you
know, disagreeing with me and that's fine.
You know, I don't I'm not I'm here just to speak what's in
here for me. And and if you are podcast isn't
there in my head is what I was pointing to.
But it's a it's an amazing time.We're getting so much
(52:31):
information all at once. The next episode I want to talk
about a hodgepodge of different conspiracies.
There's one conspiracy specifically that I am kind of
worried about low key, Like it'sit kind of stressed me out when
I heard this. And it's about a asteroid coming
(52:51):
to Earth in 2029. And what does that mean?
Underground bunkers are confirmed real?
I don't know. You know, I really don't know.
It's a it's it's crazy to think that there is something coming
that could end us and no one's talking about it, but I'll go
(53:14):
into that. That's the next episode.
That'll be 99. I may call that conspiracy
potluck, you know, conspiracies of your choice, whatever it is.
If you also too hear this and you're like, hey, there's a
conspiracy there that I want youto talk about, put it in the
comments. Let me know.
I'm that's going to be open for any, any conspiracy.
(53:35):
It's we're just. Going to be talking about a lot
of stuff. I may go live on this and then
episode 100. I'm still plotting on it.
I may do multiple guests. I may, you know, just do an hour
with each guest. I don't know.
But but it's it's coming soon. And then after that, we'll see
what happens. The summertime for the podcast
will slow down. You may not get anything the
(53:57):
entire summer. I'm kind of right now in a place
in my life where I'm just not really in the mood to record as
much. So it's getting nicer outside.
My girls are getting older. We can do more.
Bedtimes are not the same. It's like my kids are going to
(54:18):
bed later and getting up earlier.
So it's like, bruh, what are we doing?
Like what are we doing getting up?
It's 5:30 and then like ready togo.
So trying to get them ready and dressed to go out to, to their
your daycare, wherever they go that day.
And it's yeah, it's brutal, but but I appreciate, you know,
(54:40):
people that have have subscribedto the Patreon, unsubscribe to
the, the YouTube memberships. I haven't been as dutiful about
that because I'm just, like I said, just not the time.
But if you stay with me on this journey, we will, we will get,
you know, you will get content. And especially after, you know,
(55:05):
maybe the summertime, October isgoing to be another crazy, crazy
time to for the podcast. I'm planning a trip with my dad
to go to Arizona. He lived out there for a little
bit as a kid. And you know, we miss, I miss
(55:25):
my, my, my grandpa Tiger, my, my, my dad's.
I miss him. I think about him a lot.
And every time I feel like I've like I've thought about, I've
mentioned this before then. Yeah, I'm in the podcast and
just call it, you know, I think I, I think I did what I was
supposed to do. And and then more topics come
up, more people reach out. And I don't have Facebook
(55:48):
anymore, so people are probably having a harder time reaching
me. But to do that, e-mail me first.
And then, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll figure out where to
go from there. But e-mail me
realwarcrypod@gmail.com. Send me your stories and also do
if you want to talk more, you can hit me on TikTok or like I
said, the e-mail TikTok war cry pod.
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A lot of I've been posting a lotof music.
A lot of music has been kind of moving me a little bit.
There's some stuff coming out. I'm like I was kind of vibing
out a little bit and then X I'm trying to get everything to a
point where everybody knows thatI don't have Facebook.
I've had some people like, oh, did you block me?
Me. Oh man, that's terrible.
(56:31):
What did I do? Like, no, I just don't have
Facebook guys. I just don't have Facebook.
I got tired of being on that train and seeing things and I'm
just like, why am I? Why am I investing my time in
reading this post? It's just going to probably make
me a little irritated or, you know, I, you know, I always take
my own advice. Sometimes, sometimes I don't,
(56:52):
but it's like just, hey, just step away.
Just step away. And if it, if it takes me a long
time to reply to you, it's because I stepped away from my
phone. I don't, I've just come to a
point in 2025 where I'm just notworried about like what what the
Internet saying about certain things.
I'm not going to get myself all riled up because I see a lot of
(57:12):
natives doing that. Because I know that there's some
people out there in the black community who are saying that
they're the real Indians. Hey, if you want to fight and
die on that hill, that's on you.That's what I'm saying.
You know, sometimes you fight and die on hills that are just
not, you're just not going to win.
You know, you don't have the facts, you don't have the
science behind you just have anything behind it.
(57:33):
But it just it's I guess they'recalling it rage bait, people
getting mad and stuff. But I don't really, I don't
care. I really don't care.
Oh, they're trying to minimal let them, let them do it.
There's like hat like literally a 10th of a, you know,
percentage of people saying that's just let them say what
they're going to say. They're doing it just for the
content, but that's kind of likewhere I'm at.
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They're very, very dangerous. If he spies sense, you know, I
was like, oh, something's off. I'm just like, man, I'm waiting
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And welcome to another edition of the Warcraft podcast.
I'm your host, Jehola Tiger. And on this edition of this
podcast, we're we're making our way slowly, slowly.
We're inching to that 100th episode mark and I'm still
plotting on what I want to do now.
(00:50):
Part of me wants to bring in a guest.
Another part of me wants to do my own thing.
There's just so many avenues I can go down for the 100th
episode. And as we creep along, you know,
(01:11):
I'm going to bring be bringing you all some interesting topics.
We haven't talked about a lot ofthese topics.
And so on this episode we're going to be talking about
vampires and native culture. And also, I'm going to be
reviewing centers. I've given it a couple couple
weeks. I saw it the advanced screening.
(01:34):
I saw that like before anyone else could because of Cinemark,
shout out Cinemark. But we're going to be talking
about that. But before we do, I got to get
this stuff out the way. Patreon, YouTube memberships
links will be in the descriptionbelow.
You need to join. There will be after the 100th
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episode I'm plotting on interviews that I want to do
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I know it's probably easier thanI think of getting Patreon and
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things are I won't be. So the podcast will be slowing
down after that 100th episode because of summer.
I love summer. Y'all ain't going to catch me
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Now let's get to the show. So another thing that has kind
of coincided with these the Center movie and you know, kind
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of the soundtrack came out, as you guys know, if you follow me
on TikTok, I'm a pretty big Jerry Cantrell fan.
He's the guitarist of Alice In Chains.
He's also, you know, does his own thing.
He just dropped a new album, 2025.
My favorites off that album right now is off the rails.
Just sounds like lanes in there.Lane Staley from the the singer
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who passed in 2002. It just sounds man.
That song just gives me those old vibes.
But go check out Jerry Cantrell's new album.
Also, my cousin is he's so it's funny, I have heard this story,
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you know, bits and pieces of it over the years from my dad and
others. And you know, my cousin Aaron
and my dad, my dad doing the interviewing, you know, shout
out to my dad for. For asking the questions that
everyone wants to know, but. This is that story of him trying
to, you know, trying to trying to meet Jerry Cantrell, but also
to trying to get his stuff published.
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All right, the names have been changed to protect the innocent.
All right, who wants to start it?
This is a story of we going to leave the names out.
My cousin's Aaron his getting his tape to Cantrell.
We were in a abandoned high school called Under the Hill.
Yeah, And we would sit around mymom's computer and just, like,
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record guitar tracks to MIDI drums, like fake drums.
And we're like, oh, this is the perfect demo.
He's like, I don't know how we came.
I don't. I don't even remember how we got
the idea to go down there. We saw his house on MTV Cribs
and we saw the rooster video andit shows his mailbox.
It says ATOCA and there's his first album's called Boggy Depot
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and there's a big Rd. down therecalled Boggy Depot Rd.
So we figured it couldn't be that hard to find.
So Saturday we went down there and took our demo CD and wrote a
letter and left your home numberon it 'cause we didn't have cell
phones. You can tell like I kind of told
him how he's like, we know the ageneral idea, like where this
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place is. So his dad came along.
'Cause he's a master. Manipulator.
He knows enough about tractors, so I guess.
Yeah, we knew he had a farm and we didn't know how to get there,
and our token's not that big of a place.
So he said pull into this farm insurance place, and he goes in
and tells the guy he's looking for Jerry Cantrell's house
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because he knows where's his cousin or something, something
like that. I don't know that that's that,
but somehow he gets into this guy's truck and takes off with
him and we're sitting there and we don't know what's going on
And he he comes comes back and tells us how to get there.
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When we went to the wrong driveway, we were taking
pictures of that house and thesepeople's car came and followed
us down this dirt road and cut, cut me off and got out was like,
why are you taking pictures of my house?
I was like, sorry, I was lookingfor my friend's house.
And he's like, Oh, well, you just go down here and this way
and there's a church sign and you turn left there and you go
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down, what, a couple miles and there's, there's this ranch,
it's got a big double J sign, double J ranch.
And we, the gate was locked. So we just left our little
letter on there and our CD and. How?
What year was this? 04/04 yeah.
We've just graduated, I think, or we were going to.
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We're about to. Graduate.
Yeah. We're still, we're still in
school because people were asking about it.
Yeah, yeah. Man about a month later.
Oh yeah, we get a phone call from I don't know, my dad
answered the phone like he normally does, like hello, She
could have been go whatever he does, however, he did it but and
he's like hello, who? What?
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Aaron? I'm Aaron Jerry Cantrell.
It's like Aaron, you got a phonecall.
What? And he said, so hey, this is
Jerry. Like he's.
I like the sound of your demo. How'd you get to my place?
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I just told him whatever. I was at work here.
At work, Yeah. He came to McDonald's and told
me. I walked in like something bad
happened. Like it was you, Mary and your
dad. Yeah, They walked in and they
just looked all pale looking at me.
And I was like. What?
Yeah. He called the house.
He said he called. That's who called Jerry.
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No way. He had caller ID, so he got his
number. Yeah.
So we we still have it. I got it somewhere, but yeah, he
talked to him a couple of times.He's a cool guy.
What? What track?
Was it a track or was it a certain?
It was like. 3 or 4. I think it was like 5 or five
songs. We had like his instrumentals
because we didn't. We didn't.
Have a singer? Did didn't he play it for Kid
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Rock or something? He played, yeah, he played it.
He said he played it for Kid Rock on their tour bus because
they're touring at that same time.
Yeah, that's what he's. He mentioned something about
that when I was on the phone with him.
It's like track fours. Like I was like, dude, I wrote
that one. He was.
Like that's the only one I didn't have a hand in, right?
Yeah, he was playing for Kid Rock.
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Kid Rock, like some of it. And.
That's about as far as it went, but it was cool.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you get like a backstage
pass or? Something we we almost did.
It was for cardboard vampires. Yeah, his his cover band.
Yeah, it was. He is playing with ZZ Top.
OK, we went to the show. We went.
Yeah. That's awesome.
So that's the story after all these years, finally.
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Never. Heard.
It yeah, man, that I forget I was sitting here laughing
because when I hear when I heardthe song or the the story the
first time I laughed. And then every time I because
you can hear, it's just, it's one thing about going, you know,
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being around. Family like that.
Y'all just start laughing like that, man.
That's just, I love it and I'm glad, I'm glad my dad got that
story from Aaron. And I want to the reason why
they were all together is, you know, we had a family member
pass and it was kind of sudden like that.
So my thoughts are with my family over there out in
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Checotah and, and hopefully theyhear this and get a good laugh
out of that because that's a lotwhat happens, man.
We don't really come together unless it's somebody's death.
And that makes me sad. But you know, I'm kind of a I'm
kind of in a in a spot where youlose somebody and it's hard to
go back to where they're where they were at.
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And that's a lot of it for me. But I'm glad my dad got to go
down there and see, you know, our Kyle Muskogee Creek side of
the family and, you know, got tohang out and, you know, you can
hear people in the background. You know, everybody's chatting
it up back there. But but that's Jerry Cantrell
story that I have been, you know, I've been asking about it
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for a long time and I'm glad I finally got out here on the
podcast for y'all to listen to as well.
And you're wondering like, what does this have to do with
vampires? You hold them.
So Jerry Cantrell was on the soundtrack to Sinners, the movie
that just came out with Michael B Jordan, and that was a perfect
segue into Sinners of the movie.That movie is an experience.
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It is a when I left me and my wife went to watch it early
early. Viewing, you know I.
I couldn't quite put words into the amount of detail and the
amount of history that a lot of people don't really talk about
nowadays. It's kind of a, it's kind of AI
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don't say hidden history, but it's just not talked about.
You know what in the MississippiChoctaw and you had the Irish
and you had the Chinese or the Asian community and the black
community, and it just gave a lot of metaphors and a lot of
insight to how it was back then,but also to kind of how it is
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now, you know, and there was a couple flashbacks.
Now I want to say this because II've been hearing this a lot
from a lot of Christians And if you're in this group of people,
that's one thing that I think drives me more nuts is when
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there's a certain experience or certain movie or music and it's
deemed, oh, that's, that's satanic.
That's the sinners. Oh my God, I can't go see that.
You start clutching your pearls and you're you grabbing your
purse and you're. Oh no, we.
Can't it says sinners, we can't go see that because they're
talking about things that just are not.
I just can't. My my faith will be tested.
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That is what is wrong and that'swhat that movies telling.
You know the movie talks about now.
Some of that the movie centers is starring Michael B Jordan,
Hailee Steinfeld, few other people who are in and I can't
think of their names off the topof my head.
And it follows Michael B Jordan stacking smoke.
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He plays two twins and they're trying to open up a Juke joint,
you know, Blues Juke joint. They just moved back from
Chicago. And there's a lot of tones in
that, you know, the the the younger guy who's the Blues
player, you know, they always this is kind of been a thing for
a long time, especially when it comes to like Robert Johnson and
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them, you know, people thinking that he sold a soul, which he
probably did, He might have. And people always saying that
the Blues was kind of demonic init because of that area was the
devil's music. Does it get you all gyrating and
and vibing out? But that is the backbone of what
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music is today. It is y'all can sit here and be
Oh no, Elvis took a lot of that stuff from Muddy Waters and a
few of these other Juke joint players who end up being
prominent Blues musicians. You know, there's certain vibes
in country right now that you'llhear a little bit of that.
You know the kind of the pickingit's called, I guess they call
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it like pick planting where you just pick it.
It's not really like chords you just playing and he wants to be
a a famous musician in this movie The the young man and I I
can't believe I'm forgetting hisname.
But when he plays the when he plays the Blues, so good it they
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think it opens up a portal to let in these these demons when
they vampires. And you know, he's battling with
his father, pushing him towards the church.
And you know, he wants to play Blues because he's good at it.
He can sing and play and he's having trouble.
He's having that that pool. And that was one thing that I
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never really understood. And then maybe, you know, black
people, if you guys listen to this, which you know, I need,
you know, I'm kind. Of curious on what y'all think
about this, but I'm not going tocover the entire film, I'm just
going to kind of give you the high points.
And so then they opened up the Juke joint and they start
playing music and these vampiresshow up.
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That's the premise of the movie.Now, there are details in this
that I literally kind of got like, not choked up, but I, I, I
really, you know it. Hit me in a certain way and how
this pertains to Natives is there's a scene in the movie and
everybody's seen this, that Remic is the vampire.
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He's an Irish vampire and he's running in the sun.
He's trying to get away from somebody.
And he's going up to the door and he's bam, please, hey,
please. There's there's engines coming
to get me. There's engines coming to get
me. And the woman says there's no
Indians around here and they're gone.
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And when she said that, there was like a like a tinge that hit
my back. You know, it was like I put to
my neck, not anger, but just kind of like that.
You know, it's kind of the epitome of how people view
natives. Like some people don't even
think they're still around. It's from 1800s stuff.
You know, they don't think we'restill around and living and
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kicking up until here. And, you know, they people, I've
told this story before, but I, you know, used to work at a call
Center for Blue Cross and Blue Shield, you know, years ago.
And I had people from New York and Los Angeles and floor, you
know, some of these Florida is they're like, oh, your, your
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name. What is it?
What is that? It's awesome.
Muskogee Creek. And they'd be like, oh, do y'all
still live in teepees out there?Or they'd ask me, do y'all, do
y'all even have transportation? Do y'all ride horses still?
And I'm like, yeah, you know, you don't really know how to
answer because you people just ignorant, you know, but it's
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just it's weird. It's one of the weirdest
experiences to be kind of not, not forgotten about, but kind of
forgotten about. And when she said that in that
in that scene, he said, no, they're coming.
Well, I need to, I need help. And as you look into the the
house, it had a a clan outfit. And Remic adapts to that.
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He understands this is how I'm going to make my way into this
house. She lets him in and all sudden
these vultures, or I think it's vultures, I kind of at first
thought it was crows, but these vultures showed up and the
Mississippi Choctaws come ridingup, you know, and they had their
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little cage that they were trapping him in.
And it kind of gave you a littlepreview at the beginning of the
movie, you know, kind of in picture form.
Or I might have been in the, in the, in the, the ending credits,
I can't remember. But I saw it online and it talks
about, you know, in, in picture form about these beings, you
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know, being around natives and natives knowing that they're
here and they're around. And so when those Mississippi
Choctaw come show, I'm showing up at the door.
And he said, is there a man here?
You know we're looking for this man.
And she's like, no, I don't knowwhat you're talking about.
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You need to get off my porch. You know, being all rude.
He goes, OK, well, in his in, inthat Choctaw language, he's
like, all right, well, I'm will say this prayer for you.
And, you know, I wish you the best.
And she kind of scoffs. And he kind of had this look on
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his face like, yeah, you're in trouble.
And they all looked at each other and he, one of the guys
behind him whistles and, you know, it's time to go.
We need to get, we need to get home.
And he's like, you know, you know, I hope the best for you
and walks away. And I seen a lot of people
online being like, well, why didn't they help the white
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people and the black people? They knew about these things.
And it's funny, the lack of awareness.
For a lot of years, we've been telling you all about some of
these things. Bigfoot, shape shifters, little
people. We've been talking about these
things and telling you about them for a long time.
Not just me, elders before me. They said there's things out
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here that you are not natural, you don't know.
We don't know nothing about them.
But y'all don't know nothing about them.
But we know and we're telling you we're here to help you.
And a lot of times those Europeans now Americans come and
scoff at us and say, oh, that's crazy, that's not real, there's
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nothing out here. And then guess what?
They get took or something happens to them.
You know, in those days, the things that were roaming, you
know, we didn't know anything, you know, y'all didn't know
anything about them. You are, they're showing up on
this land where these people aretelling them don't go to this
location, you may not come back.It's dangerous.
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And you're being scoffed and said, I got a gun.
I can sometimes a gun don't workagainst you know what, what's
out there. And so they they they kind of
nod and they look and sons aboutcoming down and OK, well, and
then the movie ensues. But I hear that I heard that a
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lot. And then there was also people
out there that were saying this is exactly what natives have
been saying. And this is a small piece of
what how our voices are not heard all the time, even in
podcasting right now. I just did an interview with
Squatch and Holler and I mentioned briefly this is the
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other day. A lot of non natives are
reporting and talking about telling stories about native
things that they don't know and they chalk it up to myth or so
just if those Mystic Indians talking about, you know, what
happened in forever ago and a lot of times these things are
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still happening, you know, and I'm going to get into some
things that you know, have happened recently regarding
these blood medicine type things.
I don't like talking about it, but I thought I'd give you all
this episode because that scene hit me hard.
And then the the aftermath afterthat and people were talking.
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They didn't come back and help them.
They knew all about them. And if y'all haven't heard me
say this and other native podcasts say this, we were told
to always be in inside at night.You know, we, we never, well, we
don't ever go looking for something at night because it
will find you and it'll get you.That's always been a thing.
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Then that's part of this. It's a very kind of a nuanced
way of saying we know what's outhere.
We want to go to the safety of our homes.
Because if you notice in the movie, guess who has to be
invited to come into their home?They have to be a vampire.
They got to be invited. And a lot of times they'll knock
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on the doors and they'll, you know, try to get their way in by
seducing you. And no, it's you know, like in
the movie they said seduced and,and you know, one of the
characters, you know, and then they also like, we'll get
somebody and try to make their way in and so that they can take
over. And there's a lot of different
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like greed, gluttony, lust. There's AI think the seven
deadly sins played a part in this too as well.
Different aspects of each character.
And I that movie is so fascinating.
So if you have not seen sinners,you need to go see it.
I don't know if it's even still in theaters right now, but when
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it comes out, you need to go. You need to watch it.
Even if you are someone who feels like it's testing your
faith. If something, if a movie test
your faith, your faith isn't really that strong.
I'm just going to keep it 1000. If if media is influencing you
and changing the way that your faith is, then your faith isn't
that strong. That's just the way it is.
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But that scene, the Mississippi Choctaws, really had me thinking
about a lot of different storiesthat I've heard and a lot of
different, I guess you could saybeings that have been talked
about. And I just told a story on the
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latest this is creepy about these entities, this being this,
this person who knows how to howto extract from people.
And there's different legends going all the way around.
I commented on somebody's post just kind of detailing what I
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believe or what people were asking about.
Oh, does natives actually reallyknow these things are out here?
And, you know, one of the beingsI just recently talked about,
you know, is a Raven mocker. Now, is it really sucking the
blood and taking, you know that from people?
Not really, but it's taking the heart.
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But it takes those things to extend its life.
And that's kind of what these vampires do.
If you guys know the mythology behind vampires, I'm sure
everybody does. I'm talking about the Edward
Colin vampires. Everybody, my Twilight fans out
there. I've only watched the first one,
but I just, I have a hard time when they start glittering in
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that sun just rough, rough like that.
But one thing that is, is about vampires is that they had, you
know, the legend and a lot of the kind of myth, you know, way
it's explained is that I know that some people think vampires
are a metaphor, metaphor for gaypeople or the LGBTQ back in the
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late days. That's kind of how they
described them. Maybe that was also something I
was seeing online and it was kind of villainizing that sect
people, which, you know, we always find ways to do that to
people. You know, it's neither here or
there, you know, minding your mind, your business, I guess is
what it comes down to. And you know, them portraying
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these entities and these beings as this sect of people.
It's just something that's always, I think it's always
going to happen. And I think it back in the older
days is kind of how it was. But that's another kind of
caveat. Another.
Caveat is that they're real. And if they're out there, you
know, Louisiana, New Orleans is always, always, always gotten
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the rap for vampires. Stories have been coming out.
I heard of energy vampire story that I'm not sure if I even
believe it. It's kind of crazy.
Basically that they were stealing essences and and
stealing the people call it Luche, but I don't really like
that work. It sounds weird, but it's like a
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essence is being drawn out of that person and that's kind of,
you know, what's being happened.And they do that to people
there. I know people talk about Count
Saint Germain and they're sayinghe's been living forever and
he's holed up in Louisiana. And a lot of it to me is kind of
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I'm not sure really what's what on that.
But vampires as a whole, I'm going to say this.
I think they're out there. You know, people say if if
werewolves are real and werewolves are real, actual, I
believe it, I believe it Bigfootis real.
I believe it. Something passed around
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mermaids. I'm like, I don't know about
mermaids, but it might be. But that's one thing that in
native culture we we have seen these things.
And when I mentioned before I commented on somebody's video,
someone from the Cree Nation replied back to me and said,
yeah, we, we have these things in our, you know, histories.
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I can't pronounce the name, not gonna lie.
But he's, you know, he said thatthose things are there.
They've been there. They've been around for a long
time. And they blend in.
It's kind of like, you know, people talk about aliens
blending in, but you know, thesethings are they're out there out
in Cree Nation, that's out in Canada.
There's all these different stories and another and I have
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mentioned Buffalo Hunter Hunter,and that really made me feel
some type of way as well. And that story is about a
Blackfoot Indian who becomes a vampire and he and his war party
come up on this overturned, kindof, it was like a battlefield of
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such. And they're, they're making
their way and they see this cageand it's got something in it,
but they can't really see. And, you know, it's kind of
getting dark. And they had a like a cloak,
cloak around it. And I'm visualizing it as I'm,
as I'm telling you guys, but they open up the thing and they
step in and they see that there's all this meat laying
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around in around the cage and inthe cage.
And I'm like, what is going on here?
And they look in there and they see it's a a beam and he's like
what? And they end up releasing this
thing and luckily they were saved by a an enemy bullet.
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Right. But the the main character good
stabs is his name. He was bit and he wakes up like
days later and everyone's dead and he's not, but he's all burnt
to crisp because they would burnthe Indian, the the Indians
bodies after. So he goes on this journey and
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he comes to realize that the more blood you intake is, you
know, if you drink the blood of a of a, you know, of A4 legged
or if you drink the blood of a long hair, you know, all these
different animals in the way that he describes them, talks
about that you become that and put there was a, there's a part
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of me that is interested to knowif maybe that's what we see.
Maybe we don't under maybe someone doesn't understand or
you know, someone who is that way.
You become what you eat, and that's always been something
that you hear too over the years.
So he he drinks a lot of these different animals and he can
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tell that he's changing. His body is morphing and he goes
on this journey to kind of exactrevenge on something that
happened in his childhood. And also the story also follows
A preacher or AAI guess it's a priest and the priest was had a
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had a kind of ACD past. And he writes down in this
journal the story of this black foot Indian called good Stabs.
And years later, his ancestor orthe his ancestor, his his
descendant finds the notebook wrapped in Buffalo hide and she
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begins to read the story. And that's how the story begins.
One thing about that book that really gave made me rise like I
was really, I was really upset reading this and especially the
words being said, not upset, butI was it was it really perturbed
me, irritated me is the priest that, you know, basically didn't
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care. He said he didn't care about
anybody really. And he the way he treated some
of these these Indians just it'sjust just makes me it makes me
really upset and it makes me think that's just a that's just
(33:51):
a story. But you hear all these stories
about Wes, especially, you know,trying to kill the savage and
save the man in these residential schools.
And that's one evil and that's colonization and how this
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religious aspect takes over tookover a people.
And you see good stabs over the the time that he's a vampire and
over the years that people are starting to forget they're great
grandfathers. They didn't ever know who they
were and they forget where they came from.
(34:33):
And you find out why they forgetthey're forgetting in this book.
And I'm not going to ruin it fory'all, but y'all need to go read
it. Buffalo hunter hunter.
It's A twist. And it it literally made me feel
just like Mississippi Choctaw felt, you know, in that time
frame on in sinners is like you guys have overtaken us and you
(34:53):
have dressed like us. You have, you know, you have
become European, you've become colonized and there's nothing we
can do. It's it's too late.
And another part of that too, isBuffalo hunter hunter is because
he's the good stabs is is basically hunting the Buffalo
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hunters. And that's why it's called that
is that's plotting his revenge because you know of them
slaughtering every single Buffalo and poisoning the meat.
And then the natives will come and take the meat and then die
because they poison the meat. So it's a lot.
It's a lot of just just it's rough.
It's a it was a rough read, but to understand a point of view
(35:40):
that maybe isn't yours, I would suggest that you read it.
And just that's just that's my book of 2025.
It no, no, hands down, like no doubt about it.
It is 10 out of 10. And the ending is, I'm not going
to spoil it, but it's very, it'sa it's very almost, I don't know
(36:05):
how to say it, but it's just it makes you it it brings something
out in you, you know, trying to correct the paths of your
ancestors. And there's a lot, you know,
that, you know, some people might say, oh, it's woke or
it's, you know. This is just.
Propaganda trying to make Indians seem like they're the
victim, you know, and it does talk about some like it does
talk about how some natives or Indians were turning on other
(36:30):
Indians selling out. So hopefully they could get good
favor with the Calvary and the government there in that time.
And it happened, you know, there's nothing, you know, not
you know, everybody was innocentin a lot of this stuff and it's
very complicated and but it's just like what we see today.
It's just, it's just not right. It wasn't right.
(36:54):
And you know, you're giving people these impossible tasks.
Well, you need to be a scout forus or we kill your entire clan.
We to kill your entire people that are sitting, you know, that
are over this hill. That was the ultimatum given.
So most people understand why I need to, I need to just suck it
up and do this and be someone who I'm not just for my people.
(37:23):
And that's what really made me, you know, understand my me.
You know, I, I have worked in a lot of different aspects and in
recreation. I've worked in non non
government, I've worked in nonprofits.
I work in government as these things.
(37:46):
And that was one thing that I noticed about me specifically is
that I'm, and I've said this on different lives before and
episodes and that there were hills that I died on that I
probably could have been better at or maybe maybe compromised
who I was, you know, And at the end of the day, my goal is for
(38:08):
the people. That's what I've always, that's
why I got into these certain fields and is try to make things
better and more efficient for people, you know, who are paying
taxes for this stuff. And a lot of times, you know,
upper management was like, oh, well, we need to do this because
it's easier for us. And sometimes being, it being
(38:29):
easier for the worker and the employees, sometimes always
isn't the best for the, the people, you know, it doesn't
always align. And that's another reason why I,
I just, I just can't do it anymore.
I can't, can't compromise how I feel.
And that's a lot at A at a much higher, you know, risk, you
(38:51):
know, in this book is being, youknow, given an option of joining
me that the evil, the evil that you know, is evil or the
unknown. And sometimes a lot of people
would rather have the devil you know than the devil you don't.
But Buffalo hunter, hunter, I cannot say it enough.
I'm getting I was a little preachy there.
(39:12):
But you know, at the end of the day, I just I'm trying to
describe how I can describe things in the way that that I
comprehend things. And my 5th grade reading level
was having trouble. But Buffalo Hunter Hunter in
centers, you know, those are my movies of the year.
His centers got a five star for me.
I haven't given a five star to amovie in probably five years,
(39:36):
but that one got a five star. And then Buffalo Hunter hunter
is 10 out of 10, five out of five.
It's 100% for me because of the way that they, they both, both
of these forms of media interpret a lot, you know, in
the time and, and, and place that it is.
I couldn't, I could not even imagine, you know, being a black
(39:59):
person, a sharecropper, nonetheless battling the KKK,
but also the battle in this vampire and also battling the
church. It's rough.
I know there's a lot of people trying to deconstruct from those
ways and I, I don't blame them at all.
I don't. You know, I've, I have done a
lot of deconstruction of my beliefs, you know, over the last
(40:22):
couple years because I don't understand the unquestioned.
I'm, I'm, I'm a person who questions things.
Why are we doing this? You know, I need to understand
the why. And a lot of times when I would
ask those questions growing up, I'm, you know, it's just because
we need, this is what God has usto do.
OK, All right, but I just can't do it anymore.
(40:48):
And that's, you know, that's in my beliefs.
Don't will never align with someone else's.
And I always tell people your God is not my God.
And people kind of look at me when I've said that.
Like, what do you like? What?
Like the God that you were? Well, you worship the you
worship the Christian God. I, I don't, I don't worship
that. I worship the God And I, you
(41:09):
know, I give my, my, my thanks and my prayers to a God that,
you know, isn't that one? And there is a, there is a
higher power, there is a creatorof this world.
Nothing. It doesn't make sense to have
it, you know, blown up, you know, in The Big Bang theory.
And then here we are evolving. That just doesn't in my head
doesn't it doesn't make sense either.
(41:30):
And that science is a religion too as well.
There's a lot of people who follow the science and science
is not made indefinite. Things change.
That's why they call it a hypothesis or a theory,
conspiracy theory, you know, just saying.
So those things have really had me thinking those movies.
(41:53):
And I mentioned the Raven Mockerearlier.
One thing about that, that being, and I've never really got
a clear understanding. And in my head, I'm, I'm trying
to piece together the information that I have of these
beings and of these people or witches is kind of what how how
(42:16):
I was described. Muskogee Creek say witches and
Cherokees, call them Raven mockers.
And I've told that story about my grandmother and you know, the
things coming after her and hearing talking and just weird
things going on while she was passing away, like there's
something was coming for her. And I just told him to last.
(42:38):
This is creepy about a woman outof Jay, Oklahoma, telling me her
story about a family member passing.
And they were coming home from asoftball game.
And you could hear him coming. It's not like they're like, and
it was, you know, daytime, but it was getting dark.
And you can start to hear him talk and you can hear him
(42:58):
coming. It's a certain sound.
And I can't, can't describe it. And I mentioned the very
beginning. I had a relative who passed.
Well, my dad had heard them coming and they're always
around. They're always coming for some
something or somebody. And it's not everybody.
So if you're hearing this, you're like, Oh my God, I need
(43:20):
to, you know, I need to. No, they don't.
I don't know if they, I don't know how it works.
I just know that that's how it is sometimes.
And you know, I had a conversation with the Squatch
and Holler and a guy named Ken Shivers and we just did a live
stream on his episode on his platform and YouTube channel.
(43:41):
And they talked about when you like, when someone passes, you
stay with the body. And that's why that's why you
stay with the body is these things will come.
They want, they want to get thatlast bit of essence to extend
their life. And I was always told that
growing up as you need to just, you know, there's always someone
(44:03):
designated to watch and stay with the person, even if they're
as they're dying. So always somebody with them.
And one thing that was really weird and my dad was telling me
this couple weeks ago, maybe a week ago, is that he would he
heard talking, he heard him coming.
He knew something was coming, like something was about to
(44:24):
happen. He didn't really quite know who
it was or where. But I think that they're
connect. We're connected to them in some
way. I don't really know how in terms
of maybe my family or because itis dealing with I caught blood
medicine. I just don't know how else to
describe it. Maybe if someone can educate me
on what to call it, I'd be appreciative of that.
(44:48):
But he could hear him coming andthen he told his cousin said,
Hey, I heard something the othernight.
Weren't really sure. You know, my, the dogs, my
parents dogs that they have overthere are my dogs, but they were
over there and they got real scared and they started to try
to come in the house because they could hear something that
they didn't know what it was andthey were scared.
(45:10):
And those two dogs, man, they'll, they'll eat anything.
They'll kill if you come within their little fence.
Oh no, it's, it's on like if you're an animal or a cat.
No, they're coming for you. They're going to, they're going
to crunch on you. But they were scared of
something. And he tells my, my dad tells
our, our cousin, he's like, man,I might have heard something
(45:31):
like that too. I can't really.
But then we had a relative pass and my dad thinks that that was
it was Raven mockers. They they were coming, they knew
something was coming and they were trying to to get to that
person. And, you know, you stay with the
body and you make sure that theyget a safe passage, you know,
to, you know, to the next life. And a lot of the, the stories in
(45:57):
the, in the legends about the Raven mockers, they take their
heart and they take certain things like that.
Cause the heart produces blood, blood.
There's something to the blood. I don't know.
I know people say, oh, it's the,you know, they'll use the, you
know, the, the, the word, I don't want to say it on YouTube,
but the, the Chrome is what I'llcall it.
(46:20):
People talk about that a lot andthat there's something in the
blood. And I believe that there's
something in our blood that and some people's blood that's just
more potent. You know, in the Buffalo Hunter
Hunter book, they talk about people that have this certain
blood and it's not like actual material blood.
It's something it's an essence in the blood that they just
(46:42):
can't get enough of it. And they try to lay.
That's what they look for. They try to find it anywhere
they go, these vampires. And I wonder if that's real with
these Raven walkers as they knowsomebody's got that something.
There's something to them. I don't know what it is, but I
need to have it. And even in even in sinners,
(47:08):
this kid could play the guitar man.
He was great and it and Remic wanted a piece of that.
He wanted him. You know, he wanted to make that
his and know and understand why that you know why he's so
special. And so there's something to
that. If you see it through all medias
and especially 2 separate medias, you have a a native
(47:29):
telling a story, a native story.Then you have a black guy and
write Ryan Coogler. Stephen Graham Jones is the
author of Buffalo Hunter Hunter,but you know, he's telling a
specific thing and he's talking about people who have this
special thing and these vampireswant it.
And you have Ryan Coogler who isthe the director for centers,
he's talking about the same thing.
(47:50):
So there's something to that. I don't know if it's just maybe.
You know, copied. But I believe in it.
I believe in energy vampires. You ever just be around someone?
They just suck in the life out of y'all just like man, I can't
be this person is emotionally draining.
I think they're out there. I think some people don't know
(48:11):
they're that they are that you know, sometimes, but it is the
vampire topic, you know, is verynuanced and very, you know, long
history, you know Vlad the Impaler.
But I wanted just to come on here and, you know, talk about
that, talk about my thoughts on these, because in the book in it
(48:38):
talks about wanting to be something different, wanting to,
you know, be maybe someone you're not.
And that's the main vampire. And even talks about in that
book, like his passage over to the new world and how he was
excited for new blood and things.
Just weird. It was just man, it just made me
(48:58):
like, but let me know what you guys think.
If you guys have any comments, I'll run a Part 2 of this topic.
If you're any native nations outthere or tribes that you have
some history with vampiric like blood related beings, let me
know. I know, you know, I know that
(49:20):
there are other things out thereand I can't, you know, quite
pronounce some of the names, youknow, but also too, it's kind of
interesting told a story, you know, from an Osage guy long
time ago, it's probably 4 years.I told the story I had got the
story from him via a live streamI was on.
(49:41):
I can't remember the name of thelive stream I was on, but I was
on there as a guest and he came on and was telling me the story
and wanted to know if he needed to be protected from this.
And that's one thing too. I want to talk about this too
before I go is I go back to you believe what you believe.
And if you believe in that, there's power to that.
(50:01):
So if you believe, if you're a Southern Baptist person and you
believe in that and that's your faith, that's what you need to
sit on. I have a lot of people who will
reach out to me and say, well, how do I get rid of these
things? Do I need to go to a medicine?
No, because you don't believe inthat.
You don't believe in that. You're you're, you're trying to
(50:22):
fight battles with the wrong type of weapons.
And a lot of times I always tellpeople, if it's around you just
leave it alone. You go about your business and
they'll go about theirs. And that's with anything
Bigfoot, you know, all these different other beings that are
out there creep in the night, You know, they're always around.
(50:44):
And that's one thing that peoplealways ask me.
They're always like, well, how do?
I do I need this? Use your faith.
If you believe in your faith or if you're someone who doesn't
have faith, then maybe that's where you bring someone in and
try to figure this out. I see a lot of people doing
paranormal hunting and they're using things that I'm just like,
(51:04):
I don't know, I don't really know, you know, about the
paranormal in the, the, the prayers and things like that.
I had Patrick Meekin on a while back in October and he talked a
little bit about how to get rid of it and specific prayers for
that belief. And it's very interesting.
It's a very interesting concept.And one thing about my podcast
(51:25):
is I'm always, I'm open to everything.
Someone can change my mind. You know, I, you would take
information and resources and, and log them into this thing
here. And just, and just it may load
slow. Now sometimes, you know, when
you got to upload something likeGod, it's only on 54%.
That's me. I'm like very, I'm just logging.
(51:46):
I'm just slowly process until it's all the way uploaded and
then I'm OK. That makes sense.
And but that's one thing that, you know, if you are someone who
you're, you heard what I said earlier and you're like, I don't
really know. He might be the devil.
He is. He is not worthy of my time and
my views and and that's fine. You know, I had I had people
(52:10):
sometimes that will, that will, you know, message me and be, you
know, disagreeing with me and that's fine.
You know, I don't I'm not I'm here just to speak what's in
here for me. And and if you are podcast isn't
there in my head is what I was pointing to.
But it's a it's an amazing time.We're getting so much
(52:31):
information all at once. The next episode I want to talk
about a hodgepodge of different conspiracies.
There's one conspiracy specifically that I am kind of
worried about low key, Like it'sit kind of stressed me out when
I heard this. And it's about a asteroid coming
(52:51):
to Earth in 2029. And what does that mean?
Underground bunkers are confirmed real?
I don't know. You know, I really don't know.
It's a it's it's crazy to think that there is something coming
that could end us and no one's talking about it, but I'll go
(53:14):
into that. That's the next episode.
That'll be 99. I may call that conspiracy
potluck, you know, conspiracies of your choice, whatever it is.
If you also too hear this and you're like, hey, there's a
conspiracy there that I want youto talk about, put it in the
comments. Let me know.
I'm that's going to be open for any, any conspiracy.
(53:35):
It's we're just. Going to be talking about a lot
of stuff. I may go live on this and then
episode 100. I'm still plotting on it.
I may do multiple guests. I may, you know, just do an hour
with each guest. I don't know.
But but it's it's coming soon. And then after that, we'll see
what happens. The summertime for the podcast
will slow down. You may not get anything the
(53:57):
entire summer. I'm kind of right now in a place
in my life where I'm just not really in the mood to record as
much. So it's getting nicer outside.
My girls are getting older. We can do more.
Bedtimes are not the same. It's like my kids are going to
(54:18):
bed later and getting up earlier.
So it's like, bruh, what are we doing?
Like what are we doing getting up?
It's 5:30 and then like ready togo.
So trying to get them ready and dressed to go out to, to their
your daycare, wherever they go that day.
And it's yeah, it's brutal, but but I appreciate, you know,
(54:40):
people that have have subscribedto the Patreon, unsubscribe to
the, the YouTube memberships. I haven't been as dutiful about
that because I'm just, like I said, just not the time.
But if you stay with me on this journey, we will, we will get,
you know, you will get content. And especially after, you know,
(55:05):
maybe the summertime, October isgoing to be another crazy, crazy
time to for the podcast. I'm planning a trip with my dad
to go to Arizona. He lived out there for a little
bit as a kid. And you know, we miss, I miss
(55:25):
my, my, my grandpa Tiger, my, my, my dad's.
I miss him. I think about him a lot.
And every time I feel like I've like I've thought about, I've
mentioned this before then. Yeah, I'm in the podcast and
just call it, you know, I think I, I think I did what I was
supposed to do. And and then more topics come
up, more people reach out. And I don't have Facebook
(55:48):
anymore, so people are probably having a harder time reaching
me. But to do that, e-mail me first.
And then, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll figure out where to
go from there. But e-mail me
realwarcrypod@gmail.com. Send me your stories and also do
if you want to talk more, you can hit me on TikTok or like I
said, the e-mail TikTok war cry pod.
(56:10):
A lot of I've been posting a lotof music.
A lot of music has been kind of moving me a little bit.
There's some stuff coming out. I'm like I was kind of vibing
out a little bit and then X I'm trying to get everything to a
point where everybody knows thatI don't have Facebook.
I've had some people like, oh, did you block me?
Me. Oh man, that's terrible.
(56:31):
What did I do? Like, no, I just don't have
Facebook guys. I just don't have Facebook.
I got tired of being on that train and seeing things and I'm
just like, why am I? Why am I investing my time in
reading this post? It's just going to probably make
me a little irritated or, you know, I, you know, I always take
my own advice. Sometimes, sometimes I don't,
(56:52):
but it's like just, hey, just step away.
Just step away. And if it, if it takes me a long
time to reply to you, it's because I stepped away from my
phone. I don't, I've just come to a
point in 2025 where I'm just notworried about like what what the
Internet saying about certain things.
I'm not going to get myself all riled up because I see a lot of
(57:12):
natives doing that. Because I know that there's some
people out there in the black community who are saying that
they're the real Indians. Hey, if you want to fight and
die on that hill, that's on you.That's what I'm saying.
You know, sometimes you fight and die on hills that are just
not, you're just not going to win.
You know, you don't have the facts, you don't have the
science behind you just have anything behind it.
(57:33):
But it just it's I guess they'recalling it rage bait, people
getting mad and stuff. But I don't really, I don't
care. I really don't care.
Oh, they're trying to minimal let them, let them do it.
There's like hat like literally a 10th of a, you know,
percentage of people saying that's just let them say what
they're going to say. They're doing it just for the
content, but that's kind of likewhere I'm at.
(57:56):
So if I don't, if it takes me a while to get back to you, it's
not because I hate you or I'm ignoring you.
I'm just, I'm just living life. I'm touching grass.
So I appreciate everyone who continues to support the
podcast. I can't say it enough.
I appreciate you. I've gained a few.
I'm almost close to 1000 on YouTube.
I'm almost close to 1000 on TikTok.
(58:17):
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(58:39):
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But work iPod on TikTok, work iPod on X and real work iPod.
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