January 12, 2025 • 44 mins
Welcome to another edition to the War Cry Podcast. On this episode, I am joined by Ryan Knights of Weird Maine Paranormal. We discuss his multiple experiences with haunted buildings, cemeteries, and other landmarks in Maine.
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They're very, very dangerous. If you Spidey sense, you know, I
was like, something's off. I'm just like, man, I'm waiting
to hear something, you know? What's going on guys?
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And welcome to another edition of Patreon edition of the War
Cry podcast. I'm your humble, I'm a little
bit gracious. Maybe I might be highly, highly
favored. I don't know.
We'll see. But welcome to another edition
of the War Cry podcast. I'm your host, Jehovah Tiger and
joining me for the first ever, first ever, like I don't even
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know if y'all hear, I don't evenknow if y'all going to be able
to hear this in the end. I don't know.
We'll see. And then we just wasted an hour
or whatever, two hours of our time.
But joining me is Mr. Ryan Nights.
He is a member of the weird, weird Maine Paranormal Group
based out of Maine. He has a documentary out right
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now, Part 1 and Part 2 called Echoes Ryan Chaos.
How's it going, man? I'm doing all right, man.
Thank you. I I'm totally humbled and
appreciated to be the number oneon the on the Patreon podcast.
That's really cool, man. Thank you for having me over.
Yeah, man, I'm, we, we were justtalking off air, you know, with
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me starting the Patreon, I almost feel kind of like Beggy
sometimes when it, when it comesto this thing.
And I'm just going to, we're going to have fun, man, you
know? Oh yeah.
And with, you know, with your like with your, you've been on
the the the podcast before. If you guys haven't heard, he
was he was on in October. I cannot remember the date, but
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it's a weird mane. It's that's the name of the
episode. He was in the process of rolling
out his documentary. I got clips before it came out
and I ain't going front. There's some things in there and
I'm like, man, like, and this like this dude is kind of crazy,
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which I already knew this dude was crazy, but this dude's even
more crazy than I thought with some of the stuff that's going
on and some of the the sound bites that you're getting, man.
How was that process? Have you, you know, how was the,
I guess, how was making the documentary?
Was it annoying? Was it time consuming?
Like how, what, what did what did it take to to to make this
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documentary that you had echoes?Oh man, it's a process is it's
been a process that's like the perfect word to use, man.
The very first one that we've made was called Haunted Sanford,
as you well know it. It is an older documentary and I
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kind of it bringing it to the new channel mysterious in our
tournament has really given it some life.
It's like up to 80,000 views now, which completely blew me
away. I mean, I, I'm very grateful and
for the people and the interaction and everybody that,
that, you know, came on there and, and hey, listen, dude.
And unbelievable, the stories, the things that people have told
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me, it's been really awesome. But I mean, that one was kind
of, it was kind of nonchalant. I'm not trying to downplay
anything, but it was just me andmy sons and I'm like, I want to
make a documentary. I mean, let's I've been doing
stories for all these years. Let's just try to do something
people can watch. And you know, I kind of my my
first thought was like that, that YouTube channel top five.
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I love watching those guys. And so I wanted to try to make
something that was like that, but only brought in some, you
know, something else because I was kind of like looking for a
History channel slash, you know,top five documentary, murderous
minds kind of thing that they dotype of feel.
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And minus the interview parts ofit, which I wanted to get into,
I thought it came out pretty well.
And you know, after Haunted Sanford did so well, I was like,
well, I mean, I could keep going.
I mean, we since May of last year, since it's 2025 now, but
since May of 2024, we've been grinding, going out every
weekend, going out on holidays, going to all these places around
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here. And I was, I was very genuinely
surprised at everything is haunted around here, Literally
everything, you know, excuse me,Even places that I thought were
just normal everyday places thatI thought felt weird.
I thought it was just me becauseI am a little weird.
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So, you know, and then you go inthere with a spirit box and a
couple of the right people, likemy buddy Jay was supposed to be
here with me tonight. He's my, you know, sensitive.
But something came up. He wasn't able to make the show,
you know what I mean? And I think you guys really
would have loved him. So hopefully, if later on down
the road everything is all rightwith him and, you know, nothing
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gets in the way, maybe we could drag him onto this type of
thing. But I mean, aside from that,
yeah. It's been a process.
Dude. We must have 1520 hours, I think
of of like 20 to 30 minute clipsbecause the camera I was using
before, it would just shut off. I mean, I don't know if it was
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spirit power that was doing it or if it was just an old rig.
I don't know. But I mean, we've got so many
hours and originally Echoes fromthe Afterlife was supposed to be
like an hour and a half documentary.
And I'm like, well, if I made itthe way I thought I was going to
make it, I'd only probably use about 20 minutes worth of clips.
What would be the point? So, you know, sitting down and
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kind of brainstorming and, and one of my buddies was like,
well, why don't you just make ita series and put it out when you
can? You know that I'd originally
thought, yeah, I can do this every other week, every two
weeks I can put an episode of Echoes out.
Boy, was I wrong, dude. I mean, since since I should
have had, by rights, I should have had probably what, 3 or 4
episodes out by now? I've only got 2 out because
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it's, it's so time consuming trying to learn how to use a new
software 'cause with all this new equipment, new camera stuff
I got and the SD cards, dude, my, my old, my old movie studio
software just wasn't having any of it.
So I got lucky and was able to get Movie Studio 2025 on there.
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And that stuff's a godsend, I'lltell you straight up.
But yeah, I mean, it's, it's been a process, it's been fun.
It's been a bit freaky and as weird as it is, I kind of found
myself following a path that I didn't expect to follow.
So that's, that's all the, you know, it's, it's just been when
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weird main man, it's been weird in so many more different ways
than just where I live. You know what I'm saying?
Let me ask you too, when you're making that Sanford the, the,
the first documentary, the Sanford documentary, did you, I
guess, did you go out to these places and, and interview people
or did I know that you, your narration, I'm, I'm going to say
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this before I ask this question,I'm going to say this.
I've told you this privately, but your, your narration is to
me better than those creepypastaBritish narrators that they try
to be all creepy and whatnot. Like you're like, you just talk
and, and I like, I like listening to you talk.
And what's one thing about that Stanford documentaries you do a
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do you do a lot of narrations that you know, that you sell how
creepy that place is? What were some of the the thing?
Did you experience anything while you're making that
documentary? You know, creepy wise.
Yeah, yeah, it was, it was pretty strange.
You know, I it going back to like the first part, the first
question, I tried to get people on camera and it was just pretty
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much a no go. I mean, I, I've got a, I've got
a little Phillips digital voice recorder.
There's been times where I wanted, I'd be like, Hey,
listen, I've got this voice recorder.
Can I talk to you? Can I record what you're saying
so that when I make a script, you know, I, I can say verbatim
when it comes down to, you know,you know what you would said, I
don't want to get it wrong. And they're like, no, I'll just
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talk to you. I'm like, all right, So I didn't
want to push it because when youpush people, sometimes they're
like, you know, what the heck with you?
I'm not forget you. I'm not, I'm not going to
listen. I'm not going to talk to you.
So it was hard enough to get people to talk to begin with.
But yeah, a lot of people, I didtalk to a lot of people and they
were like impromptu interviews, but it was nothing that I could
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record in any kind of format. It was all brain type of thing.
So I kind of took a page out of somebody's playbook that I knew
from a long time ago and I wouldget their phone number and I
would text them, Hey, listen, can I give you a call?
Is that cool? And then I would re ask them.
And as I'm asking them, I would take notes as I'm going, you
know what I mean? So that that really helped with
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the writing of the script and doing a lot of reading the the
Satan in a small town segment was particularly difficult
because you couldn't get anybodyto talk to talk about it.
And I can get into that later because some recent developments
have happened that have caused me to want to go back and do
that, you know, to kind of coverall that stuff again with my
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newer equipment, newer spirit boxes, that type of thing.
And but yeah, I mean, haunted Stanford was difficult only only
because it was harder to get people to talk, especially when
you don't know someone, you justkind of walk.
I learned the hard way that whenyou just kind of like, you know,
waylay somebody. Hey, I'm Ryan, I'm doing this.
I like talk to you about this. And they're looking at me like I
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got 3 heads, you know, so that that didn't quite work out so
well. But now in making friends with
historical societies and people that work there, I had kind of
somewhat made a little bit of a kind of friendship with the lady
that works at the Lebanon Town Hall, which really helped me in
episode 2, Whispers in the Dark of Echoes.
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So, you know, you, you kind of have to, I kind of had to learn
to break out of my shell a little bit because kind of, you
know, this as well as I do beinga YouTube personality.
A lot of times you're just goingto, you know, go on the
Internet, you're going to do your research.
Maybe you get lucky and talk to somebody or somebody tells you a
story, but that doesn't happen very often, you know, so you
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kind of have to, you're kind of on your own when it comes to
stuff like that. So in that sense, you know, I,
I, I've kind of had to learn to do this and kind of make this
show what I wanted to be and, and to tell the narrative that I
want to tell you, you really youneed the help of other people to
do so that, that was probably been the most difficult part.
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Going out in spirit boxing places that you already know is
creepy is the easy part until you actually get out there and
start doing that. You know, just as a, as an
example, I've got some old videos on my TikTok and there
were just little clips of like, for instance, when we were we,
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we went to two main places in haunted Sanford and that was the
mill that had burned down in 2015.
Sixteen, I think it was 2016. I've got that in haunted
Sanford. You, you know, we got some video
footage of that. You know, when in a complete
inferno, we went there, myself and the three boys went there
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and we started getting into the spirit box and connecting.
I think we had several spirits come through.
I have since gone back there with the wife.
One night her and I just decidedto go out and go there and re
spirit box that area. And I use two different spirit
boxes. I use the ghost tube box and I
use the spirit talker. And I think it was because maybe
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because we went at night, we gota lot more out of that.
I've had to go through. I've had to go through and
listen and some of the stuff that I had heard out of there
was just like, wow, it was, it was kind of something else.
You know what I mean? So but and Pike Woods, you know,
well, first of all, get ahead ofmyself.
Sorry about that. When we were at that mill, when
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it was burnt, myself and the boys in the process of making
haunted Sanford, you could see little shadows.
I, I was mostly focused on the spirit box itself and one of my
boys cuz the way, the way that video, that video footage came
out, I didn't have a camera. So I'm using my son, my middle
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boy, Henry, we're using his cellphone to record what we were
doing. And there were little clips that
I just couldn't quite get right.So little pieces of it were
missing. Like it at one point, my oldest
boy, Noah Bubby, he, I have two sons named Noah.
So I've got Henry and Bubby for clarification and Bubby taps me
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on the shoulder and goes Dad up there.
There was a face and I'm like a face.
And I kind of look up and at oneof the top corners there where
the windows are and I'm like, well, I'm like, it could be
either one of two things. Either it was the face of
something paranormal or it was homeless 'cause we do have that.
We did at that point have a big issue like that in our area.
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We still have it now. I think every place does, but
you know, I could have been thatand I'm looking up there and I
couldn't because I had my phone was being used for the spirit
box and Henry's phone was on thespare box.
And I stop and I look up there for a moment and you see this
like a little bit of a shadow ofa head kind of whip past the
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bottom corner of the of the window open window area.
And I'm like, wow, dude. I'm like, I, I couldn't, I
couldn't tell if it was an actual person or if it wasn't,
if it was a spirit or a shadow of some kind.
In the process of doing that andlooking up, I mean, where the,
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the, the mill is open, you know,because of the heat melted a lot
of the structures in the window and broke the glass.
You know, you could see things that might pass back and forth,
you know, but it was, it was oneof those things where I'm like,
I'm trying to concentrate on twothings.
And it looked that way, but I wasn't 100% sure.
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Pike Woods, which I mean, truth be told, I don't really know if
it's real name is Pike Woods. I don't even know if that set of
woods right there that's left actually has a name.
That's what I've, that's what it's always been referred to as
by kind of us locals, people, you know, and being in Pike
Woods, even in the daytime. And there was a couple times
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where we were walking all in those trails with the spirit box
going in, the rebel camera going.
And you would hear stuff behind you, like something passing on
the trail, 'cause I could hear my footsteps.
I could hear Henry's footsteps and I could hear Oakley's
footsteps. So I was aware with that and the
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spirit box, I'm just letting it run.
I'm just letting it talk. I'll ask questions if something
interesting comes up. But at that point I was kind of
green as to what I what should Iask?
How should I react type of thing.
And you could hear stuff in the woods on the side of you.
I mean, granted there are animals in there, but this was
in the daytime. So when you go and look and
Henry's got eyes his head on a swivel and he's like, I'm
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hearing stuffed out, but I am not seeing anything, you know.
And then you get to a certain point where it's starting to get
dark. And Oakley's, Oakley's, like
he's got a death grip on my arm as I'm trying to hold the spirit
box in one hand and the camera in the other, trying to keep it
near that microphone. And he's grabbing onto my arm.
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And they're both telling me they're seeing shadows in behind
the trees, ducking in and out. And it's like I'm looking and I
think I'm thinking I'm seeing something.
But you know how sometimes when you're at that point where I
guess they call it magic hour, where it's right in between dusk
and dark, you know what I mean? And you, sometimes your eyes can
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play tricks on you. So I I'm thinking I'm seeing
shit kind of oh, sorry, excuse my language, bounce in around
around us. But and then the spirit box
comes up and says, I see you, doyou see me?
I'm here. You know what I mean?
It's like we even had one. We even had one that said it.
It sounded like Arnold, man, I swear.
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It's like I'm here. I'm like, I'm like Arnold.
I'm like, we got a predator around us.
When that is going on here, you know, be like, come on.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, He's still alive, dude.
That's what's crazy. I know, right?
He's like, I'm here. Like who's here?
He's like. Me.
I'm like that does not tell me anything to.
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It's like. Arnold Schwarzenegger Arnold
Schwarzenegger impersonation guylike that was.
His life, yeah. I don't, I don't know how many
times. I'm like, can you tell me your
name? And the box will go, no, I'm
like, why not? And I, I think I've kind of
figured out that was in Pike Woods.
That's the only place that's ever happened to me where I've
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asked for a name and it said straight up no.
And that was more than once. So you know, as as far as that
goes. That's so creepy to me, 'cause
like, I don't know, if it's not the fact that it doesn't want
to, it doesn't want you to know who you're talking to.
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That's what's creepy. That's what's really creepy
about that. Well, I had said to myself after
Haunted Samford was done becauseit took myself and Bubby was
there some of the time. He's not.
He's not a real big ghost guy. And Henry always came out with
me before he got a girlfriend, so.
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And Oakley's always been down that boy.
He's just like me. He's all about it.
He's obsessed with it just like I am, you know what I mean?
He's he is the antithesis of weird mane paranormal.
I mean, it's hard to get people together sometimes, you know,
to, you know, get a team together.
And I wanted I want to put content out, dude.
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I want to be out in the field. I want to be doing that stuff.
So a lot of the stuff we're doing, it's just me and Oakley,
you know, I mean, Jay was there,Jay and Sandy were there quite a
bit. You know what I mean?
They're they're regulars. My buddy James, his work
schedule is kind of tough, so he's there whenever he can be
there, you know what I mean? But you know, if anything else,
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Oakley is down 100%. I mean, it's him and me out
there and he, he's he dude, he'sgotten so good with dowsing
rods, all that stuff. But he's really, I'm very proud
of that boy at his cause. We've been to some creepy places
where it's just been electric, He's been touched, his jacket's
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been tugged, you know what I mean?
And he just, man, stiff upper lip, dude.
He just, he's got a chin like stone, man.
He gets right into that stuff, so.
And he's good with it. But yeah, I, you know, because I
see where we're at time wise andI wanted to get this to you.
And hopefully, you know, we can talk about it more later on the
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other side of things, however you want to do it.
But I said to myself that it took us three months going out
as often as we possibly could. You know, daytime before I go to
work, weekends we're out there in the field.
And I after all this, I thought,I, I'm, you know what?
I'm done with haunted Sanford. I'm done with the Mills, Pike
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Woods, all that stuff. I want to explore everywhere
else here in town and the surrounding areas.
And one night at work because I I'd had the being lucky enough
to be contacted by a lot of people because of haunted
Sanford and. One night, one of the people I
was talking to, this lady and her husband, they had told me
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they'd messaged me and told me that one of their friends had a
sighting down on Pioneer Ave. right next to the Mills.
And I'm like, well, OK, you know, talk to me about it.
Well, next thing I know, I've got somebody else messaging me,
which is this guy. And basically the whole Mills
and Pike Woods area starts at a road that goes in between Emery
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St. and Washington Street, rightdowntown Sanford.
And you've got Pioneer Ave. There's the first set of mills
right there, boom, right up against the street, the
sidewalk. And he's walking home from
Cumberland Farms one night, middle of the summer, and he's
walking down towards Washington Street.
And there's a little place that a lot of us in town go to called
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Rosa's Deli. They got phenomenal food there,
like a little mom and pop local sandwich shop.
It's epic food. It really is.
If you ever come up this way, that's one of the first places
I'm taking you to go get something to eat because you
will love that place. Anyway, I digress.
He gets down to about roses and he sees what looks like an old
woman walking on the sidewalk coming his way.
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So as he gets up to her, he looks at her and he's like,
ma'am, are you? And it's about as much as he
got, and he gave me. Now you watch Haunt at Sanford.
And if anybody hasn't watched ityet, there's a portion in the
video where I had a few stories that were given to me.
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And one of the stories that was in there was mine.
And it happened on the bridge onEmery St. which is the road that
literally goes right in between Pike Woods.
The Mausam River crosses underneath it.
I had an experience there with an apparition on my way home
from work one night. Just one of those really weird
things, man. And because it fit the area, I
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put that story in. But the thing was, was that I
knew the apparition. I knew the woman that died on
that bridge. Well, fell off the bridge and
into the Maoist River below. And at its highest, that area on
the Maoist River at its highest would be probably just above
your knees. So it's not very deep.
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But you know, she had problems, let's just say that.
And I saw her and it freaked theheck out of me.
I honestly have not gone. The other day was the first time
I actually boots on the ground down there since that happened.
And because I wanted to go down to that bridge and spirit box,
and I did. And I got some really
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interesting stuff out of it. But the reason why I'm saying
that is because I asked this guy, can you describe this woman
to me? He's like, yeah, it's burned
into my brain. And he describes her.
And that was this woman's. That was her apparitions
description. You listen to that story.
I never gave a description of her in that story.
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And yeah, so that, and now I've got my cousin whom I'm, I've got
to get a hold of her tomorrow. I don't know if I'm going to do
this tomorrow, but let's just say basically I've gotten some
comments on Haunted Sanford. I've been talking to my cousin.
She started doing the seance stuff a couple of years ago, got
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really, really heavy into it, literally probably about 100
yards away from where I'm sitting right now at an
apartment down on North Avenue. And she came into contact with
the spirit of this girl who was the girl who was murdered in the
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Satan in a small town segment. I thought, I thought it was all
done. I thought it was all done.
I've talked to my cousin about it a little bit.
So I said, well, hey, how about me, you, your boyfriend and
Oakley will go down. We went down into Pike Woods to
the area where the spirit told her she was taken.
And when we spirit box that a lot of that came through and
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like to the point where I'm like, hey, is your name so and
so and it came back, yes, and itwas loud and it was clear.
So and there were other things coming through too.
There was a really deep, dark, gravely, scary sounding voice
that came through that kept trying to override, but it
wouldn't let it type of thing. You know what I mean?
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So there's there was even something, dare I say that
implicated a Sanford police officer at the time?
What? So yeah, I don't, I don't know
how deep I can go with it. There's one guy that just a
couple of people that left comments where I've just said,
please, this is my e-mail, contact me.
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And I have not heard from them. And I'm just like, dude, OK,
yeah. So that kind of just, you know,
like how Al Pacino and Scarf or the Godfather, I tried to leave,
but they pulled me back in. That's kind of what has happened
to me in this situation. And it's just like, I've got all
this stuff and I've still got more things to research and
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collect. And I'm just like, I don't know
what I'm going to do with it, man.
But there will be a, there will be a haunted Stanford 2 point O
in, in, you know, the Echo series at some point if I can
pull something together, you know.
See, that's what I'm I'm kind ofcurious about that because
that's that's interesting that some of that stuff brought up
maybe something that's, I guess you could say hidden history in
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that town. That's especially with the
police officer. You know, there's always
something cooking. You know, some small town crime
that was covered up or you. Know, well, I can, I can say
this now being, you know, I'm 49.
So this is so much, so long ago.What my God, over 30 years ago
now, when I was 18, I used to buy my I used to buy some stuff
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from a Sanford police officer atthe time.
So what are you going to do? I mean, they're people are
people with their Yeah, exactly.You know what, what are you
going to do? People are people, whether
they're cops or politicians or whatever, you know, they're
going to do what they're going to do.
And I was friends with the guy and knew his son, you know what
I mean? So it was like, it's one of
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those things that it's just really strange.
And they're both of those comments pretty much said the
same thing. This person wasn't alone in what
he was doing. He wasn't the one who really did
what he admitted to, supposedly admitted to.
He was the Patsy, you know, and you know, I don't mind causing a
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ruckus, bro. I don't mind at all because
that's part of what you got to do when you when you do stuff
like this sometimes, you know, but it's one, it is great
content. I don't, I'm trying not to sound
like one of those night crawlersthat profits off of people's,
you know, pain and misery and, and all that stuff, you know,
but there's so many of us out there that want to bring these
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kind of stories to life because,you know, dude, human history is
amazingly secretive and crazy, you know, all the way around.
Yeah, no doubt. Let me ask you this.
Get into So you got done with with Sanford and that's
complete. That's you.
You're moving on. You moved on and now you are at
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Echoes. And when we left off before with
Echoes or you know, you were previewing Echoes, let kind of
let everybody know what you whatyou found and what's going on in
those two, in those two, in thatdocumentary, in those two parts.
OK, so episode 1, Roadside Haunts, that was, that was the
toughest episode I've made so far of anything because I, I, I
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had an idea of what I wanted to go.
And then when I changed gears, Ihad no idea.
I didn't know how to start the series.
And I think what I wanted to do was I wanted to introduce people
to the team, to myself, to the team, James and Jason.
I really wanted to give people an idea of what we do and how we
do it. And that was kind of, you know,
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the, the, the antithesis of thatepisode was, OK, this is what we
do. Here's some clips.
And these are my guys. Where did we come from?
How did we start doing this? And why the heck are we crazy
enough to do something like this?
That was pretty much it. The second episode, Whispers in
the Dark, I was contacted by a couple of people that live out
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in Lebanon, which is probably this.
This church is probably about maybe 20 minutes to the South of
me because you can get on to Route 2O2 and head toward
Rochester, NH and you can turn off at a certain intersection.
And I had was giving. Well, I was given all these
stories by different people justleaving comments or leaving
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Facebook messages that they never answered.
They never answered my replies to them and just telling me
stories about Lebanon. So what I did is I took and I
pulled up Google Maps and I pinned all these different
things that I'd heard about throughout whenever.
Like I had about 20-30 differentplaces that I'd pinned down of
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stuff that I had heard from people, stuff I already knew
from years and years ago, being a local.
Three quarters, 3/4 of those points on that map centered
around an intersection at Baker's Grant Rd. and Milton
Mills Rd. So when I went there, sorry
about that. Hold on, sounds like there was a
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car around me. I'm on my porch.
But anyway, I look and it's around this intersection.
So the wife and I took a drive one day after the boys were in
school, and I found that there was an old church there with a
very old graveyard right in front of it.
And I got out like I do what I do whenever I find a new place.
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I find it in the daytime becauseI don't go look at it at night.
And if I do find something at night, I come back in the day.
I'll come out and I'll pop the spirit box on and just kind of
walk around and let it talk. And I was getting a lot of stuff
in the middle of the daytime. I'm like, OK, so we'll come
back. We ended up doing 3
investigations there, 2 at night, one in the daytime.
When you watch that, you'll see the daytime footage.
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The microphone that I had broke and I didn't realize it, so I
wasn't getting any audio from it.
So that just became kind of likeB roll footage.
But the two nighttime investigations were out of this
world, man, especially the firstone.
It was just the three of us. In the first one, there was a
weird fog that coming out of thewoods across the street and it
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was it was nice out. It was warm, you know, T-shirt
shorts weather. This fog was this thick, white
viscous kind of make up to it. And it would come out of the
woods across the road and then go back and then come out and go
back. It did that two or three times.
We would hear stuff walking around us.
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We were seeing shadows dart in between the few trees.
There was even one, the camera was pointed right at it.
But because I was using the Rebel and I didn't have a
flashlight or any IR at the time, we plainly saw the shadow
of what looked like a head ducked down behind one of the
old shale gravestones. So Sandy gets brave and goes
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walking over towards it and she's looking, she's like, there
is nothing here. I'm like, you should probably
come back over near us then. You know what I mean?
Type of thing. But and just the stuff that was
coming through, you know what I mean?
We thought, we actually thought that we, we contacted what we
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thought was a Native American spirit that kept saying chief.
So we just assumed we kind of, that's what we called the
spirit. And then we went to another
couple places and it said the same thing.
And I kind of look at, I kind oflook at Jay.
My buddy Jay is Native American.He's Passamaquoddy and Mikmak
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and I'm looking at I'm like, maybe you're the chief.
And he's like, shut up, you knowwhat I mean, type of thing.
He's like, dude, I'm like, thinkabout it.
We've been to three different places.
They're all saying the same thing.
He's like, and I'm like, these are old time spirits.
They're gonna talk in the way they used to talk in life, you
know, And he's just like, we're not gonna talk about that type
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of thing. So and.
Sometimes they, you know, sometimes those spirits know
that like maybe he's descended from somebody of high stat.
You know, they know those things.
You 'cause they're already gone.But that's it.
That's that's interesting for sure.
Yeah, it was, it was. I wish we had like we did get
the fog on camera, but I wish wehad gotten a lot more, you know,
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with the spirit starting around us.
That was one thing that really it was really, that was really
something about that was the fact that, you know, the
activity, the spirit activity, them actually manifesting
themselves. There were a few times and going
back and listening to just, you know, the audio recordings from
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the digital recorder. We've gotten some really good EV
PS out of that really loud, likeboisterous EV PS.
You know, there was a place right across the street here
just to say this for the folks before you decide to go over to
the other side. We were doing a playground in
the back part of it. Somebody had said there was a
witch's grave. It's creepy over there.
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And that playground across the street is a Catholic school.
And that playground is creepy because we've been there at
night. Me and the wife and the boys,
all three boys have been there at night and some weird stuff
has happened, dude. Like, you know, like when you go
to a playground, you got little kids, so you would know this.
You go to a playground, they've got either like these wheels or
it's in the shape of a star or it's in any shape and you spin
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it and it's got all those littleplastic pellets in it that make
that really loud noise. Yep.
Well, there's one that's about maybe 3 feet off the ground
that's on the side of one of thepoles of the two playsets that
is there. And all three of us are, all
four of us, I should say, are standing together.
We're like 20-30 feet away from this thing and all of a sudden
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it just spins and makes like, makes that really loud noise.
And none of us was standing anywhere near that.
Like I threw my spotlight up there 'cause I thought maybe
someone was standing in the darkand did it and there was no one
there, dude. So when we went over there,
myself and Jay and Sandy and Oakley and Noah, and I'm sorry,
Henry went over there. Jay's girlfriend Sandy's holding
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the digital recorder and there was one way it came over.
The spirit box said, can you tell us what you are?
And said I'm a boy. And you can hear Henry's voices
is deep. He goes, I'm a boy, he goes a
boy. And there's this moment right
after that where you hear this really deep voice.
I'm a boy. Kind of like just kind of yell
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it right out at you. I listen to that 10 or 15 times.
I had Henry listen to it. I had the wife listen to it.
They're like, we don't know who that is 'cause it's even deeper
than my voice and his voice. So yeah, I mean, it's just I've
been to places where you don't get nothing or it's not very,
not very active, and then you goto places where it's so out of
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control. I mean, you can feel it like the
energy is so heavy. Like for me, I feel it in the
back of my neck, shoulders and upper arms, you know?
Yeah, body sense. Yeah, it is.
I mean, like when when the energy gets thick, it gets
heavy. There's a lot of stuff around.
That's when I tend to feel it, you know, like the the little
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cemetery down the street, the spirit talker.
We're using spirit talker for that one.
And we even got a really good spike on the EMF meter.
And we were standing right in the middle of the cemetery where
there was no EMF at all. So we got a really good spike
out of that. I mean, it turned red and beat
for really loud like it does when when that happens.
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And it said, can we touch you? I'm like, well, you can touch
me, That's fine. You can't touch the little boy.
He's mine. And so I go on and I'm answering
questions and then I feel it like somebody running a finger.
I don't know if you can, I don'tknow if you can see, but like
somebody running a hand down my upper arm like that dude, you
know what I mean? So I was like, oh, it was like,
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you OK. I'm like, they just touched me,
you know what I mean? So yeah, it's a you can.
I mean, I've heard some of the guys that come up the, the,
that, I'm sorry his name escapesme, but that the guy who runs
that paranormal crew that comes up and he's got some great
stories and all that stuff, you know, and dealing with some
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Cryptid stuff, you know what I mean?
A lot of the guys that you've had come up that are
investigators like myself have had some really, really good
stuff. So it's like, you know, like,
man, you know, it's, I can relate to that in a sense.
It sounds like some of the places they went are really
crazy. But, you know, I haven't come up
with the the Springdale rec episode yet.
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And that one is. Yeah, I talked to you about that
one, as a matter of fact, I believe over text messaging.
So yeah. So rounding out this is a
question that was asked to me and I'm just curious what you
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think that you use a spirit box or spirit talker type device?
Are those things as those are? Do you believe that those things
are really picking up something or do you think it is?
You know how they they come out with that AI ghost app that you
basically you go to a location and AI picks up frequencies and
it comes up with with words. I don't know if you've seen that
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one or not, but. Yeah, that's, that's new.
That's very new. I haven't, honestly, I have not
had the chance to really play with that yet.
I'd like to, I'd like to check it out.
I mean, for the longest time people have used spear boards,
pendulums, that type of thing using EVP.
And then, you know, with the invention of, of the SP7 spirit
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box, which is goes through the, the channels, the technology is
getting better and better. I look at it like this and a lot
of people hold different opinions and that's totally OK.
But like for instance, one of the most expensive, probably the
most expensive spirit box out there is something called an
Ovalis device. Ovalis device.
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And what that is, is it's like your normal size spirit box, but
it's got certain sensors in it that measure EMF, temperature,
pressure, all that stuff. I mean there's like 5 or 6
different sensors in it. And what it does is that
depending on the energy around you, the temperature, the
pressure, it's thought that spirits can communicate better
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through something like that. It will pick up that energy and
kind of translate it into words.Well, the Spirit Talker is
based, that app is based off of the Obelisk device because all
the sensors that are in the Obelisk device are in our modern
day cell phones as well. So for me, I do, I think so.
I mean, I've, I've had people tell me certain things and I
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mean, I look at it like this several times.
I've had my first and last name come out of a spirit box.
Yeah, boom. Ryan Knights right out of it.
And I'm like, what? And I know that if there's a
spirit box, even if it's a hoaxer or whatever it is like
the, the Spirit Talker doesn't have a, doesn't have a word list
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in it programmed into it. It's like the Obelisk device.
The Obelisk device has the sensors and it has an app in it
that will translate energy into words.
So the Spirit Talker app basically does the same thing.
It uses the sensors in the phoneand Google text to speech.
So we can make the words and communicate that way with the
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Vox Ghost Tube and the original Ghost Tube.
The original Ghost Tube is a lotlike an Ovilus device set up.
It's kind of like this weird hybrid of an SB-7 style spirit
box that will scan radio stations or scan Internet
stations and also using the sensors in the phone as well.
It's a weird kind of mix. It's pretty cool.
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And the Ghost Tube Vox is kind of like that, but it has more of
a SB-7 style where you'll hear stuff come through and then
boom, you've got your words thatcome through your answers or
whatever might happen. I just, I don't like the SB-7
works great. I dude, I go nuts.
I can't stand the white noise. It just makes me go crazy.
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And maybe it's like my ADD or something like that.
You know what I mean? I don't know, but it's.
Brutal. But I mean, I do, if you think
about it, I do I, I, in my personal opinion, I think a lot
of these apps, there's a lot of apps that are BS, OK, like
everything in the world, there are people who make actual
spirit boxes that are just bogus.
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They're trying to make money thecheapest route.
But, and you have to like, it's like a live and learn type of
thing. You have to work with these
different things and find out what to work, what works best
for you and what you think is more on the up and up.
And that's why I use these threedifferent spirit box apps.
But I mean, if you think about it, do we have a computer in our
pocket? It's a computer slash radio
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slash walkie-talkie slash everything.
I mean, the technology in these phones is so advanced, it's like
nothing to us now, you know, andme being Generation X, you know,
I didn't have a cell phone untilI was 30.
So you know, it, it's one of those things that the, the
technology is so advanced. Yeah, I do think that because
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if, if you can have ASB 7 with an antenna and Espirit can talk
to you through that, well, why couldn't they talk through a
more technologically advanced device?
You know, that's kind of how I put it.
I'm like, you know, you can havewhatever opinion you want.
It's great. I I love people's opinions
because I like to know differentthings from mine.
But for me personally, these areso advanced, they kind of work
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the same way if you think about it.
It's just a different way of working, that's all.
I appreciate you answering that question because yeah, I see,
you know, I've had questions people ask me and yeah, I'm not
really a paranormal investigatorguy, but so I, it's good to get
somebody who's in the field, youknow, who, who works with these
devices and understands them better than I do.
Because I did the Spirit Talker app, I believe when I was
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working in a government facility.
I'm not going to, I can't, I can't say where, where it is
because I don't work there anymore, but it's in South
Tulsa. I'll give people that.
And I've done episodes over it. But we, I did that app and we
were in the bathroom or that we were headed into the girls
bathroom because that had the most activity, especially at
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night. I'd always be there in this
facility by myself, working on the pool and things like that.
And, and I'd be there by myself and think weird things will be
going on. So we we did a little ghost hunt
there and we were in the headed into the girls bathroom and in
the spirit talker app basically just deemed and said basically
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we asked who's here and they go and it was basically and it came
up the with the word malice. Oh wow.
OK. That's interesting because
that's demon. That's the demons are the ones
that say things like that. And I was like, you know, that's
that's weird. But what's going on guys?
For the full episode, please hitthe link in the description to
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the Patreon. It supports the podcast and I
will catch you guys on the next one.
They're very, very dangerous. If you Spidey sense, you know, I
was like, something's off. I'm just like, man, I'm waiting
to hear something, you know? What's going on guys?
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And welcome to another edition of Patreon edition of the War
Cry podcast. I'm your humble, I'm a little
bit gracious. Maybe I might be highly, highly
favored. I don't know.
We'll see. But welcome to another edition
of the War Cry podcast. I'm your host, Jehovah Tiger and
joining me for the first ever, first ever, like I don't even
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know if y'all hear, I don't evenknow if y'all going to be able
to hear this in the end. I don't know.
We'll see. And then we just wasted an hour
or whatever, two hours of our time.
But joining me is Mr. Ryan Nights.
He is a member of the weird, weird Maine Paranormal Group
based out of Maine. He has a documentary out right
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now, Part 1 and Part 2 called Echoes Ryan Chaos.
How's it going, man? I'm doing all right, man.
Thank you. I I'm totally humbled and
appreciated to be the number oneon the on the Patreon podcast.
That's really cool, man. Thank you for having me over.
Yeah, man, I'm, we, we were justtalking off air, you know, with
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me starting the Patreon, I almost feel kind of like Beggy
sometimes when it, when it comesto this thing.
And I'm just going to, we're going to have fun, man, you
know? Oh yeah.
And with, you know, with your like with your, you've been on
the the the podcast before. If you guys haven't heard, he
was he was on in October. I cannot remember the date, but
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it's a weird mane. It's that's the name of the
episode. He was in the process of rolling
out his documentary. I got clips before it came out
and I ain't going front. There's some things in there and
I'm like, man, like, and this like this dude is kind of crazy,
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which I already knew this dude was crazy, but this dude's even
more crazy than I thought with some of the stuff that's going
on and some of the the sound bites that you're getting, man.
How was that process? Have you, you know, how was the,
I guess, how was making the documentary?
Was it annoying? Was it time consuming?
Like how, what, what did what did it take to to to make this
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documentary that you had echoes?Oh man, it's a process is it's
been a process that's like the perfect word to use, man.
The very first one that we've made was called Haunted Sanford,
as you well know it. It is an older documentary and I
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kind of it bringing it to the new channel mysterious in our
tournament has really given it some life.
It's like up to 80,000 views now, which completely blew me
away. I mean, I, I'm very grateful and
for the people and the interaction and everybody that,
that, you know, came on there and, and hey, listen, dude.
And unbelievable, the stories, the things that people have told
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me, it's been really awesome. But I mean, that one was kind
of, it was kind of nonchalant. I'm not trying to downplay
anything, but it was just me andmy sons and I'm like, I want to
make a documentary. I mean, let's I've been doing
stories for all these years. Let's just try to do something
people can watch. And you know, I kind of my my
first thought was like that, that YouTube channel top five.
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I love watching those guys. And so I wanted to try to make
something that was like that, but only brought in some, you
know, something else because I was kind of like looking for a
History channel slash, you know,top five documentary, murderous
minds kind of thing that they dotype of feel.
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And minus the interview parts ofit, which I wanted to get into,
I thought it came out pretty well.
And you know, after Haunted Sanford did so well, I was like,
well, I mean, I could keep going.
I mean, we since May of last year, since it's 2025 now, but
since May of 2024, we've been grinding, going out every
weekend, going out on holidays, going to all these places around
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here. And I was, I was very genuinely
surprised at everything is haunted around here, Literally
everything, you know, excuse me,Even places that I thought were
just normal everyday places thatI thought felt weird.
I thought it was just me becauseI am a little weird.
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So, you know, and then you go inthere with a spirit box and a
couple of the right people, likemy buddy Jay was supposed to be
here with me tonight. He's my, you know, sensitive.
But something came up. He wasn't able to make the show,
you know what I mean? And I think you guys really
would have loved him. So hopefully, if later on down
the road everything is all rightwith him and, you know, nothing
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gets in the way, maybe we could drag him onto this type of
thing. But I mean, aside from that,
yeah. It's been a process.
Dude. We must have 1520 hours, I think
of of like 20 to 30 minute clipsbecause the camera I was using
before, it would just shut off. I mean, I don't know if it was
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spirit power that was doing it or if it was just an old rig.
I don't know. But I mean, we've got so many
hours and originally Echoes fromthe Afterlife was supposed to be
like an hour and a half documentary.
And I'm like, well, if I made itthe way I thought I was going to
make it, I'd only probably use about 20 minutes worth of clips.
What would be the point? So, you know, sitting down and
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kind of brainstorming and, and one of my buddies was like,
well, why don't you just make ita series and put it out when you
can? You know that I'd originally
thought, yeah, I can do this every other week, every two
weeks I can put an episode of Echoes out.
Boy, was I wrong, dude. I mean, since since I should
have had, by rights, I should have had probably what, 3 or 4
episodes out by now? I've only got 2 out because
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it's, it's so time consuming trying to learn how to use a new
software 'cause with all this new equipment, new camera stuff
I got and the SD cards, dude, my, my old, my old movie studio
software just wasn't having any of it.
So I got lucky and was able to get Movie Studio 2025 on there.
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And that stuff's a godsend, I'lltell you straight up.
But yeah, I mean, it's, it's been a process, it's been fun.
It's been a bit freaky and as weird as it is, I kind of found
myself following a path that I didn't expect to follow.
So that's, that's all the, you know, it's, it's just been when
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weird main man, it's been weird in so many more different ways
than just where I live. You know what I'm saying?
Let me ask you too, when you're making that Sanford the, the,
the first documentary, the Sanford documentary, did you, I
guess, did you go out to these places and, and interview people
or did I know that you, your narration, I'm, I'm going to say
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this before I ask this question,I'm going to say this.
I've told you this privately, but your, your narration is to
me better than those creepypastaBritish narrators that they try
to be all creepy and whatnot. Like you're like, you just talk
and, and I like, I like listening to you talk.
And what's one thing about that Stanford documentaries you do a
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do you do a lot of narrations that you know, that you sell how
creepy that place is? What were some of the the thing?
Did you experience anything while you're making that
documentary? You know, creepy wise.
Yeah, yeah, it was, it was pretty strange.
You know, I it going back to like the first part, the first
question, I tried to get people on camera and it was just pretty
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much a no go. I mean, I, I've got a, I've got
a little Phillips digital voice recorder.
There's been times where I wanted, I'd be like, Hey,
listen, I've got this voice recorder.
Can I talk to you? Can I record what you're saying
so that when I make a script, you know, I, I can say verbatim
when it comes down to, you know,you know what you would said, I
don't want to get it wrong. And they're like, no, I'll just
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talk to you. I'm like, all right, So I didn't
want to push it because when youpush people, sometimes they're
like, you know, what the heck with you?
I'm not forget you. I'm not, I'm not going to
listen. I'm not going to talk to you.
So it was hard enough to get people to talk to begin with.
But yeah, a lot of people, I didtalk to a lot of people and they
were like impromptu interviews, but it was nothing that I could
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record in any kind of format. It was all brain type of thing.
So I kind of took a page out of somebody's playbook that I knew
from a long time ago and I wouldget their phone number and I
would text them, Hey, listen, can I give you a call?
Is that cool? And then I would re ask them.
And as I'm asking them, I would take notes as I'm going, you
know what I mean? So that that really helped with
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the writing of the script and doing a lot of reading the the
Satan in a small town segment was particularly difficult
because you couldn't get anybodyto talk to talk about it.
And I can get into that later because some recent developments
have happened that have caused me to want to go back and do
that, you know, to kind of coverall that stuff again with my
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newer equipment, newer spirit boxes, that type of thing.
And but yeah, I mean, haunted Stanford was difficult only only
because it was harder to get people to talk, especially when
you don't know someone, you justkind of walk.
I learned the hard way that whenyou just kind of like, you know,
waylay somebody. Hey, I'm Ryan, I'm doing this.
I like talk to you about this. And they're looking at me like I
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got 3 heads, you know, so that that didn't quite work out so
well. But now in making friends with
historical societies and people that work there, I had kind of
somewhat made a little bit of a kind of friendship with the lady
that works at the Lebanon Town Hall, which really helped me in
episode 2, Whispers in the Dark of Echoes.
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So, you know, you, you kind of have to, I kind of had to learn
to break out of my shell a little bit because kind of, you
know, this as well as I do beinga YouTube personality.
A lot of times you're just goingto, you know, go on the
Internet, you're going to do your research.
Maybe you get lucky and talk to somebody or somebody tells you a
story, but that doesn't happen very often, you know, so you
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kind of have to, you're kind of on your own when it comes to
stuff like that. So in that sense, you know, I,
I, I've kind of had to learn to do this and kind of make this
show what I wanted to be and, and to tell the narrative that I
want to tell you, you really youneed the help of other people to
do so that, that was probably been the most difficult part.
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Going out in spirit boxing places that you already know is
creepy is the easy part until you actually get out there and
start doing that. You know, just as a, as an
example, I've got some old videos on my TikTok and there
were just little clips of like, for instance, when we were we,
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we went to two main places in haunted Sanford and that was the
mill that had burned down in 2015.
Sixteen, I think it was 2016. I've got that in haunted
Sanford. You, you know, we got some video
footage of that. You know, when in a complete
inferno, we went there, myself and the three boys went there
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and we started getting into the spirit box and connecting.
I think we had several spirits come through.
I have since gone back there with the wife.
One night her and I just decidedto go out and go there and re
spirit box that area. And I use two different spirit
boxes. I use the ghost tube box and I
use the spirit talker. And I think it was because maybe
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because we went at night, we gota lot more out of that.
I've had to go through. I've had to go through and
listen and some of the stuff that I had heard out of there
was just like, wow, it was, it was kind of something else.
You know what I mean? So but and Pike Woods, you know,
well, first of all, get ahead ofmyself.
Sorry about that. When we were at that mill, when
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it was burnt, myself and the boys in the process of making
haunted Sanford, you could see little shadows.
I, I was mostly focused on the spirit box itself and one of my
boys cuz the way, the way that video, that video footage came
out, I didn't have a camera. So I'm using my son, my middle
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boy, Henry, we're using his cellphone to record what we were
doing. And there were little clips that
I just couldn't quite get right.So little pieces of it were
missing. Like it at one point, my oldest
boy, Noah Bubby, he, I have two sons named Noah.
So I've got Henry and Bubby for clarification and Bubby taps me
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on the shoulder and goes Dad up there.
There was a face and I'm like a face.
And I kind of look up and at oneof the top corners there where
the windows are and I'm like, well, I'm like, it could be
either one of two things. Either it was the face of
something paranormal or it was homeless 'cause we do have that.
We did at that point have a big issue like that in our area.
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We still have it now. I think every place does, but
you know, I could have been thatand I'm looking up there and I
couldn't because I had my phone was being used for the spirit
box and Henry's phone was on thespare box.
And I stop and I look up there for a moment and you see this
like a little bit of a shadow ofa head kind of whip past the
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bottom corner of the of the window open window area.
And I'm like, wow, dude. I'm like, I, I couldn't, I
couldn't tell if it was an actual person or if it wasn't,
if it was a spirit or a shadow of some kind.
In the process of doing that andlooking up, I mean, where the,
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the, the mill is open, you know,because of the heat melted a lot
of the structures in the window and broke the glass.
You know, you could see things that might pass back and forth,
you know, but it was, it was oneof those things where I'm like,
I'm trying to concentrate on twothings.
And it looked that way, but I wasn't 100% sure.
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Pike Woods, which I mean, truth be told, I don't really know if
it's real name is Pike Woods. I don't even know if that set of
woods right there that's left actually has a name.
That's what I've, that's what it's always been referred to as
by kind of us locals, people, you know, and being in Pike
Woods, even in the daytime. And there was a couple times
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where we were walking all in those trails with the spirit box
going in, the rebel camera going.
And you would hear stuff behind you, like something passing on
the trail, 'cause I could hear my footsteps.
I could hear Henry's footsteps and I could hear Oakley's
footsteps. So I was aware with that and the
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spirit box, I'm just letting it run.
I'm just letting it talk. I'll ask questions if something
interesting comes up. But at that point I was kind of
green as to what I what should Iask?
How should I react type of thing.
And you could hear stuff in the woods on the side of you.
I mean, granted there are animals in there, but this was
in the daytime. So when you go and look and
Henry's got eyes his head on a swivel and he's like, I'm
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hearing stuffed out, but I am not seeing anything, you know.
And then you get to a certain point where it's starting to get
dark. And Oakley's, Oakley's, like
he's got a death grip on my arm as I'm trying to hold the spirit
box in one hand and the camera in the other, trying to keep it
near that microphone. And he's grabbing onto my arm.
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And they're both telling me they're seeing shadows in behind
the trees, ducking in and out. And it's like I'm looking and I
think I'm thinking I'm seeing something.
But you know how sometimes when you're at that point where I
guess they call it magic hour, where it's right in between dusk
and dark, you know what I mean? And you, sometimes your eyes can
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play tricks on you. So I I'm thinking I'm seeing
shit kind of oh, sorry, excuse my language, bounce in around
around us. But and then the spirit box
comes up and says, I see you, doyou see me?
I'm here. You know what I mean?
It's like we even had one. We even had one that said it.
It sounded like Arnold, man, I swear.
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It's like I'm here. I'm like, I'm like Arnold.
I'm like, we got a predator around us.
When that is going on here, you know, be like, come on.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, He's still alive, dude.
That's what's crazy. I know, right?
He's like, I'm here. Like who's here?
He's like. Me.
I'm like that does not tell me anything to.
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It's like. Arnold Schwarzenegger Arnold
Schwarzenegger impersonation guylike that was.
His life, yeah. I don't, I don't know how many
times. I'm like, can you tell me your
name? And the box will go, no, I'm
like, why not? And I, I think I've kind of
figured out that was in Pike Woods.
That's the only place that's ever happened to me where I've
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asked for a name and it said straight up no.
And that was more than once. So you know, as as far as that
goes. That's so creepy to me, 'cause
like, I don't know, if it's not the fact that it doesn't want
to, it doesn't want you to know who you're talking to.
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That's what's creepy. That's what's really creepy
about that. Well, I had said to myself after
Haunted Samford was done becauseit took myself and Bubby was
there some of the time. He's not.
He's not a real big ghost guy. And Henry always came out with
me before he got a girlfriend, so.
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And Oakley's always been down that boy.
He's just like me. He's all about it.
He's obsessed with it just like I am, you know what I mean?
He's he is the antithesis of weird mane paranormal.
I mean, it's hard to get people together sometimes, you know,
to, you know, get a team together.
And I wanted I want to put content out, dude.
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I want to be out in the field. I want to be doing that stuff.
So a lot of the stuff we're doing, it's just me and Oakley,
you know, I mean, Jay was there,Jay and Sandy were there quite a
bit. You know what I mean?
They're they're regulars. My buddy James, his work
schedule is kind of tough, so he's there whenever he can be
there, you know what I mean? But you know, if anything else,
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Oakley is down 100%. I mean, it's him and me out
there and he, he's he dude, he'sgotten so good with dowsing
rods, all that stuff. But he's really, I'm very proud
of that boy at his cause. We've been to some creepy places
where it's just been electric, He's been touched, his jacket's
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been tugged, you know what I mean?
And he just, man, stiff upper lip, dude.
He just, he's got a chin like stone, man.
He gets right into that stuff, so.
And he's good with it. But yeah, I, you know, because I
see where we're at time wise andI wanted to get this to you.
And hopefully, you know, we can talk about it more later on the
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other side of things, however you want to do it.
But I said to myself that it took us three months going out
as often as we possibly could. You know, daytime before I go to
work, weekends we're out there in the field.
And I after all this, I thought,I, I'm, you know what?
I'm done with haunted Sanford. I'm done with the Mills, Pike
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Woods, all that stuff. I want to explore everywhere
else here in town and the surrounding areas.
And one night at work because I I'd had the being lucky enough
to be contacted by a lot of people because of haunted
Sanford and. One night, one of the people I
was talking to, this lady and her husband, they had told me
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they'd messaged me and told me that one of their friends had a
sighting down on Pioneer Ave. right next to the Mills.
And I'm like, well, OK, you know, talk to me about it.
Well, next thing I know, I've got somebody else messaging me,
which is this guy. And basically the whole Mills
and Pike Woods area starts at a road that goes in between Emery
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St. and Washington Street, rightdowntown Sanford.
And you've got Pioneer Ave. There's the first set of mills
right there, boom, right up against the street, the
sidewalk. And he's walking home from
Cumberland Farms one night, middle of the summer, and he's
walking down towards Washington Street.
And there's a little place that a lot of us in town go to called
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Rosa's Deli. They got phenomenal food there,
like a little mom and pop local sandwich shop.
It's epic food. It really is.
If you ever come up this way, that's one of the first places
I'm taking you to go get something to eat because you
will love that place. Anyway, I digress.
He gets down to about roses and he sees what looks like an old
woman walking on the sidewalk coming his way.
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So as he gets up to her, he looks at her and he's like,
ma'am, are you? And it's about as much as he
got, and he gave me. Now you watch Haunt at Sanford.
And if anybody hasn't watched ityet, there's a portion in the
video where I had a few stories that were given to me.
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And one of the stories that was in there was mine.
And it happened on the bridge onEmery St. which is the road that
literally goes right in between Pike Woods.
The Mausam River crosses underneath it.
I had an experience there with an apparition on my way home
from work one night. Just one of those really weird
things, man. And because it fit the area, I
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put that story in. But the thing was, was that I
knew the apparition. I knew the woman that died on
that bridge. Well, fell off the bridge and
into the Maoist River below. And at its highest, that area on
the Maoist River at its highest would be probably just above
your knees. So it's not very deep.
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But you know, she had problems, let's just say that.
And I saw her and it freaked theheck out of me.
I honestly have not gone. The other day was the first time
I actually boots on the ground down there since that happened.
And because I wanted to go down to that bridge and spirit box,
and I did. And I got some really
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interesting stuff out of it. But the reason why I'm saying
that is because I asked this guy, can you describe this woman
to me? He's like, yeah, it's burned
into my brain. And he describes her.
And that was this woman's. That was her apparitions
description. You listen to that story.
I never gave a description of her in that story.
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And yeah, so that, and now I've got my cousin whom I'm, I've got
to get a hold of her tomorrow. I don't know if I'm going to do
this tomorrow, but let's just say basically I've gotten some
comments on Haunted Sanford. I've been talking to my cousin.
She started doing the seance stuff a couple of years ago, got
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really, really heavy into it, literally probably about 100
yards away from where I'm sitting right now at an
apartment down on North Avenue. And she came into contact with
the spirit of this girl who was the girl who was murdered in the
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Satan in a small town segment. I thought, I thought it was all
done. I thought it was all done.
I've talked to my cousin about it a little bit.
So I said, well, hey, how about me, you, your boyfriend and
Oakley will go down. We went down into Pike Woods to
the area where the spirit told her she was taken.
And when we spirit box that a lot of that came through and
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like to the point where I'm like, hey, is your name so and
so and it came back, yes, and itwas loud and it was clear.
So and there were other things coming through too.
There was a really deep, dark, gravely, scary sounding voice
that came through that kept trying to override, but it
wouldn't let it type of thing. You know what I mean?
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So there's there was even something, dare I say that
implicated a Sanford police officer at the time?
What? So yeah, I don't, I don't know
how deep I can go with it. There's one guy that just a
couple of people that left comments where I've just said,
please, this is my e-mail, contact me.
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And I have not heard from them. And I'm just like, dude, OK,
yeah. So that kind of just, you know,
like how Al Pacino and Scarf or the Godfather, I tried to leave,
but they pulled me back in. That's kind of what has happened
to me in this situation. And it's just like, I've got all
this stuff and I've still got more things to research and
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collect. And I'm just like, I don't know
what I'm going to do with it, man.
But there will be a, there will be a haunted Stanford 2 point O
in, in, you know, the Echo series at some point if I can
pull something together, you know.
See, that's what I'm I'm kind ofcurious about that because
that's that's interesting that some of that stuff brought up
maybe something that's, I guess you could say hidden history in
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that town. That's especially with the
police officer. You know, there's always
something cooking. You know, some small town crime
that was covered up or you. Know, well, I can, I can say
this now being, you know, I'm 49.
So this is so much, so long ago.What my God, over 30 years ago
now, when I was 18, I used to buy my I used to buy some stuff
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from a Sanford police officer atthe time.
So what are you going to do? I mean, they're people are
people with their Yeah, exactly.You know what, what are you
going to do? People are people, whether
they're cops or politicians or whatever, you know, they're
going to do what they're going to do.
And I was friends with the guy and knew his son, you know what
I mean? So it was like, it's one of
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those things that it's just really strange.
And they're both of those comments pretty much said the
same thing. This person wasn't alone in what
he was doing. He wasn't the one who really did
what he admitted to, supposedly admitted to.
He was the Patsy, you know, and you know, I don't mind causing a
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ruckus, bro. I don't mind at all because
that's part of what you got to do when you when you do stuff
like this sometimes, you know, but it's one, it is great
content. I don't, I'm trying not to sound
like one of those night crawlersthat profits off of people's,
you know, pain and misery and, and all that stuff, you know,
but there's so many of us out there that want to bring these
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kind of stories to life because,you know, dude, human history is
amazingly secretive and crazy, you know, all the way around.
Yeah, no doubt. Let me ask you this.
Get into So you got done with with Sanford and that's
complete. That's you.
You're moving on. You moved on and now you are at
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Echoes. And when we left off before with
Echoes or you know, you were previewing Echoes, let kind of
let everybody know what you whatyou found and what's going on in
those two, in those two, in thatdocumentary, in those two parts.
OK, so episode 1, Roadside Haunts, that was, that was the
toughest episode I've made so far of anything because I, I, I
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had an idea of what I wanted to go.
And then when I changed gears, Ihad no idea.
I didn't know how to start the series.
And I think what I wanted to do was I wanted to introduce people
to the team, to myself, to the team, James and Jason.
I really wanted to give people an idea of what we do and how we
do it. And that was kind of, you know,
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the, the, the antithesis of thatepisode was, OK, this is what we
do. Here's some clips.
And these are my guys. Where did we come from?
How did we start doing this? And why the heck are we crazy
enough to do something like this?
That was pretty much it. The second episode, Whispers in
the Dark, I was contacted by a couple of people that live out
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in Lebanon, which is probably this.
This church is probably about maybe 20 minutes to the South of
me because you can get on to Route 2O2 and head toward
Rochester, NH and you can turn off at a certain intersection.
And I had was giving. Well, I was given all these
stories by different people justleaving comments or leaving
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Facebook messages that they never answered.
They never answered my replies to them and just telling me
stories about Lebanon. So what I did is I took and I
pulled up Google Maps and I pinned all these different
things that I'd heard about throughout whenever.
Like I had about 20-30 differentplaces that I'd pinned down of
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stuff that I had heard from people, stuff I already knew
from years and years ago, being a local.
Three quarters, 3/4 of those points on that map centered
around an intersection at Baker's Grant Rd. and Milton
Mills Rd. So when I went there, sorry
about that. Hold on, sounds like there was a
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car around me. I'm on my porch.
But anyway, I look and it's around this intersection.
So the wife and I took a drive one day after the boys were in
school, and I found that there was an old church there with a
very old graveyard right in front of it.
And I got out like I do what I do whenever I find a new place.
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I find it in the daytime becauseI don't go look at it at night.
And if I do find something at night, I come back in the day.
I'll come out and I'll pop the spirit box on and just kind of
walk around and let it talk. And I was getting a lot of stuff
in the middle of the daytime. I'm like, OK, so we'll come
back. We ended up doing 3
investigations there, 2 at night, one in the daytime.
When you watch that, you'll see the daytime footage.
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The microphone that I had broke and I didn't realize it, so I
wasn't getting any audio from it.
So that just became kind of likeB roll footage.
But the two nighttime investigations were out of this
world, man, especially the firstone.
It was just the three of us. In the first one, there was a
weird fog that coming out of thewoods across the street and it
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was it was nice out. It was warm, you know, T-shirt
shorts weather. This fog was this thick, white
viscous kind of make up to it. And it would come out of the
woods across the road and then go back and then come out and go
back. It did that two or three times.
We would hear stuff walking around us.
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We were seeing shadows dart in between the few trees.
There was even one, the camera was pointed right at it.
But because I was using the Rebel and I didn't have a
flashlight or any IR at the time, we plainly saw the shadow
of what looked like a head ducked down behind one of the
old shale gravestones. So Sandy gets brave and goes
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walking over towards it and she's looking, she's like, there
is nothing here. I'm like, you should probably
come back over near us then. You know what I mean?
Type of thing. But and just the stuff that was
coming through, you know what I mean?
We thought, we actually thought that we, we contacted what we
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thought was a Native American spirit that kept saying chief.
So we just assumed we kind of, that's what we called the
spirit. And then we went to another
couple places and it said the same thing.
And I kind of look at, I kind oflook at Jay.
My buddy Jay is Native American.He's Passamaquoddy and Mikmak
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and I'm looking at I'm like, maybe you're the chief.
And he's like, shut up, you knowwhat I mean, type of thing.
He's like, dude, I'm like, thinkabout it.
We've been to three different places.
They're all saying the same thing.
He's like, and I'm like, these are old time spirits.
They're gonna talk in the way they used to talk in life, you
know, And he's just like, we're not gonna talk about that type
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of thing. So and.
Sometimes they, you know, sometimes those spirits know
that like maybe he's descended from somebody of high stat.
You know, they know those things.
You 'cause they're already gone.But that's it.
That's that's interesting for sure.
Yeah, it was, it was. I wish we had like we did get
the fog on camera, but I wish wehad gotten a lot more, you know,
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with the spirit starting around us.
That was one thing that really it was really, that was really
something about that was the fact that, you know, the
activity, the spirit activity, them actually manifesting
themselves. There were a few times and going
back and listening to just, you know, the audio recordings from
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the digital recorder. We've gotten some really good EV
PS out of that really loud, likeboisterous EV PS.
You know, there was a place right across the street here
just to say this for the folks before you decide to go over to
the other side. We were doing a playground in
the back part of it. Somebody had said there was a
witch's grave. It's creepy over there.
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And that playground across the street is a Catholic school.
And that playground is creepy because we've been there at
night. Me and the wife and the boys,
all three boys have been there at night and some weird stuff
has happened, dude. Like, you know, like when you go
to a playground, you got little kids, so you would know this.
You go to a playground, they've got either like these wheels or
it's in the shape of a star or it's in any shape and you spin
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it and it's got all those littleplastic pellets in it that make
that really loud noise. Yep.
Well, there's one that's about maybe 3 feet off the ground
that's on the side of one of thepoles of the two playsets that
is there. And all three of us are, all
four of us, I should say, are standing together.
We're like 20-30 feet away from this thing and all of a sudden
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it just spins and makes like, makes that really loud noise.
And none of us was standing anywhere near that.
Like I threw my spotlight up there 'cause I thought maybe
someone was standing in the darkand did it and there was no one
there, dude. So when we went over there,
myself and Jay and Sandy and Oakley and Noah, and I'm sorry,
Henry went over there. Jay's girlfriend Sandy's holding
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the digital recorder and there was one way it came over.
The spirit box said, can you tell us what you are?
And said I'm a boy. And you can hear Henry's voices
is deep. He goes, I'm a boy, he goes a
boy. And there's this moment right
after that where you hear this really deep voice.
I'm a boy. Kind of like just kind of yell
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it right out at you. I listen to that 10 or 15 times.
I had Henry listen to it. I had the wife listen to it.
They're like, we don't know who that is 'cause it's even deeper
than my voice and his voice. So yeah, I mean, it's just I've
been to places where you don't get nothing or it's not very,
not very active, and then you goto places where it's so out of
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control. I mean, you can feel it like the
energy is so heavy. Like for me, I feel it in the
back of my neck, shoulders and upper arms, you know?
Yeah, body sense. Yeah, it is.
I mean, like when when the energy gets thick, it gets
heavy. There's a lot of stuff around.
That's when I tend to feel it, you know, like the the little
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cemetery down the street, the spirit talker.
We're using spirit talker for that one.
And we even got a really good spike on the EMF meter.
And we were standing right in the middle of the cemetery where
there was no EMF at all. So we got a really good spike
out of that. I mean, it turned red and beat
for really loud like it does when when that happens.
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And it said, can we touch you? I'm like, well, you can touch
me, That's fine. You can't touch the little boy.
He's mine. And so I go on and I'm answering
questions and then I feel it like somebody running a finger.
I don't know if you can, I don'tknow if you can see, but like
somebody running a hand down my upper arm like that dude, you
know what I mean? So I was like, oh, it was like,
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you OK. I'm like, they just touched me,
you know what I mean? So yeah, it's a you can.
I mean, I've heard some of the guys that come up the, the,
that, I'm sorry his name escapesme, but that the guy who runs
that paranormal crew that comes up and he's got some great
stories and all that stuff, you know, and dealing with some
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Cryptid stuff, you know what I mean?
A lot of the guys that you've had come up that are
investigators like myself have had some really, really good
stuff. So it's like, you know, like,
man, you know, it's, I can relate to that in a sense.
It sounds like some of the places they went are really
crazy. But, you know, I haven't come up
with the the Springdale rec episode yet.
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And that one is. Yeah, I talked to you about that
one, as a matter of fact, I believe over text messaging.
So yeah. So rounding out this is a
question that was asked to me and I'm just curious what you
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think that you use a spirit box or spirit talker type device?
Are those things as those are? Do you believe that those things
are really picking up something or do you think it is?
You know how they they come out with that AI ghost app that you
basically you go to a location and AI picks up frequencies and
it comes up with with words. I don't know if you've seen that
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one or not, but. Yeah, that's, that's new.
That's very new. I haven't, honestly, I have not
had the chance to really play with that yet.
I'd like to, I'd like to check it out.
I mean, for the longest time people have used spear boards,
pendulums, that type of thing using EVP.
And then, you know, with the invention of, of the SP7 spirit
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box, which is goes through the, the channels, the technology is
getting better and better. I look at it like this and a lot
of people hold different opinions and that's totally OK.
But like for instance, one of the most expensive, probably the
most expensive spirit box out there is something called an
Ovalis device. Ovalis device.
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And what that is, is it's like your normal size spirit box, but
it's got certain sensors in it that measure EMF, temperature,
pressure, all that stuff. I mean there's like 5 or 6
different sensors in it. And what it does is that
depending on the energy around you, the temperature, the
pressure, it's thought that spirits can communicate better
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through something like that. It will pick up that energy and
kind of translate it into words.Well, the Spirit Talker is
based, that app is based off of the Obelisk device because all
the sensors that are in the Obelisk device are in our modern
day cell phones as well. So for me, I do, I think so.
I mean, I've, I've had people tell me certain things and I
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mean, I look at it like this several times.
I've had my first and last name come out of a spirit box.
Yeah, boom. Ryan Knights right out of it.
And I'm like, what? And I know that if there's a
spirit box, even if it's a hoaxer or whatever it is like
the, the Spirit Talker doesn't have a, doesn't have a word list
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in it programmed into it. It's like the Obelisk device.
The Obelisk device has the sensors and it has an app in it
that will translate energy into words.
So the Spirit Talker app basically does the same thing.
It uses the sensors in the phoneand Google text to speech.
So we can make the words and communicate that way with the
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Vox Ghost Tube and the original Ghost Tube.
The original Ghost Tube is a lotlike an Ovilus device set up.
It's kind of like this weird hybrid of an SB-7 style spirit
box that will scan radio stations or scan Internet
stations and also using the sensors in the phone as well.
It's a weird kind of mix. It's pretty cool.
(41:17):
And the Ghost Tube Vox is kind of like that, but it has more of
a SB-7 style where you'll hear stuff come through and then
boom, you've got your words thatcome through your answers or
whatever might happen. I just, I don't like the SB-7
works great. I dude, I go nuts.
I can't stand the white noise. It just makes me go crazy.
(41:37):
And maybe it's like my ADD or something like that.
You know what I mean? I don't know, but it's.
Brutal. But I mean, I do, if you think
about it, I do I, I, in my personal opinion, I think a lot
of these apps, there's a lot of apps that are BS, OK, like
everything in the world, there are people who make actual
spirit boxes that are just bogus.
(41:58):
They're trying to make money thecheapest route.
But, and you have to like, it's like a live and learn type of
thing. You have to work with these
different things and find out what to work, what works best
for you and what you think is more on the up and up.
And that's why I use these threedifferent spirit box apps.
But I mean, if you think about it, do we have a computer in our
pocket? It's a computer slash radio
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slash walkie-talkie slash everything.
I mean, the technology in these phones is so advanced, it's like
nothing to us now, you know, andme being Generation X, you know,
I didn't have a cell phone untilI was 30.
So you know, it, it's one of those things that the, the
technology is so advanced. Yeah, I do think that because
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if, if you can have ASB 7 with an antenna and Espirit can talk
to you through that, well, why couldn't they talk through a
more technologically advanced device?
You know, that's kind of how I put it.
I'm like, you know, you can havewhatever opinion you want.
It's great. I I love people's opinions
because I like to know differentthings from mine.
But for me personally, these areso advanced, they kind of work
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the same way if you think about it.
It's just a different way of working, that's all.
I appreciate you answering that question because yeah, I see,
you know, I've had questions people ask me and yeah, I'm not
really a paranormal investigatorguy, but so I, it's good to get
somebody who's in the field, youknow, who, who works with these
devices and understands them better than I do.
Because I did the Spirit Talker app, I believe when I was
(43:33):
working in a government facility.
I'm not going to, I can't, I can't say where, where it is
because I don't work there anymore, but it's in South
Tulsa. I'll give people that.
And I've done episodes over it. But we, I did that app and we
were in the bathroom or that we were headed into the girls
bathroom because that had the most activity, especially at
(43:53):
night. I'd always be there in this
facility by myself, working on the pool and things like that.
And, and I'd be there by myself and think weird things will be
going on. So we we did a little ghost hunt
there and we were in the headed into the girls bathroom and in
the spirit talker app basically just deemed and said basically
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we asked who's here and they go and it was basically and it came
up the with the word malice. Oh wow.
OK. That's interesting because
that's demon. That's the demons are the ones
that say things like that. And I was like, you know, that's
that's weird. But what's going on guys?
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