November 23, 2025 • 19 mins
Show Notes:
1:45 introduction of The Surviving Project
5:45 three parts of Through Their Eyes Exhibition
7:00 Wings of Hope messages
9:00 stories from the delegation
10:15 exhibition mission
11:30 future cities for the exhibition: Chicago, Atlanta, LA, NYC, Toronto
12:40 how the exhibition addresses theme of drawing strength from what’s lost
15:00 defining justice – the way of getting back is continuing on
16:30 legacy of the exhibition
18:00 Through Their Eyes Exhibition
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
We founded the first surviving project.
My wife made another message atthe DMI.
In order to join the exhibitionto the ball is the story of
LAPORPS to the MLS days andbusiness.
And it's really the big thingabout the story of the formula,
but it's really the story ofMillis, and Provost is very
(00:24):
simple.
So it's a big specialist and thefirst time.
(01:32):
Thanks, Stephanie.
Pleasure to be here.
SPEAKER_01 (01:34):
If you would give a bit of your background, your
connection with Kafar Aza andthe genesis of how the exhibit
through your eyes came intobeing.
SPEAKER_00 (01:46):
Okay.
It's like it's a little bit of astory, but I'll start from the
beginning and keep it short.
I'm born and raised inMinneapolis, Minnesota.
Uh I've been living in Israelthough for the past 25 years of
my life.
We have a company over here, andafter October 7th, uh when when
like many other companies andobviously most of the country,
people went to serve in Miloimreserve duty.
(02:09):
Uh, when my number one guy cameback, I was speaking with him
and he was telling us how hisunit had gone down south to
visit kibbutz Bayerie.
This is in um March of 2024.
And when I told my wife aboutit, we said it's such a great
idea to take our team down fromour company and visit the sites
(02:30):
of the massacre, of the attack,even though kibbutzim were all
closed down as of January 1,2024.
So the long story is we backedinto somebody, not specifically
looking to get into Kharaza.
We wanted to visit any kibbutz.
We hooked into somebody fromKfaraza.
Uh, we became very close withthe community.
Uh, we did some outreach, somefundraising.
(02:50):
And in October 2024, tocommemorate the one year uh from
the attack, they had Kfarazawith uh uh outside curator had
put together this exhibit whichtells the story of all those who
were killed on October 7th.
Uh, from the civilians to thefirst responder security team to
(03:10):
the to the rescue forces, uhstories about the hostages, uh,
and some few other things.
Uh and when my wife and I wereat that exhibit, we said, as
opposed to just trying tocontinue to raise funds where
people have to cut a blank checkand they don't really know where
it's going, we said maybe we canbring this exhibit to the United
States and travel around, justlike we really based it off of
(03:32):
the NOVA uh exhibition that'sbeen traveling around the US and
Canada for the past year and ahalf, plus minus.
Um, and this was in November,this was in October 2024 when we
came up with the idea.
Uh, it developed into many otherthings along the way.
Uh, a couple things are, forinstance, we had a delegation of
four surviving members joiningus.
(03:53):
Um, the project to bring thisexhibition, we called it the
surviving project, because wedidn't look at, we don't look at
them as survivors.
The story is that they're stillsurviving.
Uh, all these people who who whosurvived that day.
Um, and so it developed into adelegation coming into VIP event
for all the private uh donorsthat we had, um, followed by a
(04:18):
panel discussion that we broughtNoah Tishby in to moderate.
So it was a multifaceted eventthat took place over the first
five days with the delegation,and then the exhibition lasted
two weeks.
Uh, and it was a huge successand way out of the box for
anything that we ever expected,because it's it's really not the
world we live in.
This was all 100% volunteer formyself, my wife, and my sister
(04:39):
Jackie.
SPEAKER_01 (04:40):
The exhibit, the the curation of it.
So when you entered into this,the exhibit was already curated,
or did was there an evolutionfor that uh that shifted it from
that point?
SPEAKER_00 (04:52):
No, I mean we pretty much took what existed in
Israel, worked on all thetranslations and moving all the
material, uh the files really,uh, formatting it like it needed
to be for the U.S.
There was obviously somechanges, some light changes we
made uh that made it moresuitable for the United States
uh uh audience, because itwasn't just and it's not just
(05:15):
Jewish community that we'relooking to bring to this
exhibition.
Um, and then obviously anyupdates that happened along the
way.
So in in October 2024, KeithSiegel, uh a hostage of 484
days, was up on the wall of thehostage section.
In Minnesota, he was part of thedelegation.
So there's some obvious obviouschanges like that and uh and
(05:36):
enhancements really, becausethey were able to tell the story
from their own experience.
SPEAKER_01 (05:42):
There are different layers to the exhibit.
Would you share a bit about thatjust to give an overview of what
it consists of?
SPEAKER_00 (05:50):
Yeah.
So it's broken down into threedifferent parts.
Uh the main exhibit, like I wassaying earlier, is of the
civilian deaths, the rest the uhfirst responder security team,
the re the rescue forces, uh thehostages, and then there's
television screens, largetelevision screens set up
showing actually group chat uhtext messages that were
(06:11):
happening from the first minutethat the attack started through
uh the end, very intense.
Um groups of dozens, if nothundreds, uh in these in these
groups, and you can see uhreally just extreme uh what the
situation was at the time.
Uh, there's two other rooms.
One is a photo gallery showingthe pictures before October 7th
(06:34):
of Kfaraza, and then picturesshowing after the October 7th
attack.
And then the third room is apersonal testimony room that we
set up to look like a kind oflike a mini theater.
And there's three personaltestimonies from wives and
children and friends and familyof about three of the uh people
on the first uh first responderteam, the security team that
(06:55):
went out and died on the day ofthe attack.
Um, the thing actually that wedid add was that um there's
something called uhKnaffimschelbuba, it's the wings
of hope.
And it was developed by uhLivnat Kutz, who's from Kvaraza,
uh, and it's these wings, uhcolorful wings that are built.
It could be a couple feet on,you know, wide.
(07:17):
Most of them are really like 10feet wide, and you build it on
uh schools, community centers,and so on and so forth.
And it was created in Kharaza,July 2023, before the attacks,
symbolizing hope for peace tofly above the borders.
Um, and Levnot and her wholefamily were massacred on October
7th.
And my wife came up with theidea to do the wings of hope on
(07:40):
uh one of the walls where we hadthe exhibition in the in the
lobby area.
And but the difference that wedid was where the normal wings
of hope were built from toys.
It was a community project wherekids would bring color-coded
toys, group them up in yellow,red, so it was a very beautiful
set of wings.
We did color-coded um uh stickynotes, and everybody who visited
(08:02):
the the exhibition was wellwelcome to leave a note, a
thought, a prayer, a messagethat we then sent back to the
community of Kfaraza.
So that was the that was the oneaddition that we had, uh, which
was a powerful touch because yougot to see see and read uh
really what people felt aboutthe whole experience, which was
(08:23):
very powerful.
SPEAKER_01 (08:24):
Were there any messages from that portion with
the wings of hope that yourecall that you would want to
share?
SPEAKER_00 (08:32):
You know, there was hundreds of uh post-its, so not
anything specific, but very deepum and all across the board.
Uh, from showing support to somereligious prayers uh from
different communities, like Isaid, not just the Jewish
community.
There was many Christians thatattended.
Um, but but it was verypowerful.
SPEAKER_01 (08:56):
Also, just uh going back to the overview of the
exhibit, uh, are there anyparticular stories that most
resonated with you that youwould want to call out and
share?
SPEAKER_00 (09:10):
I mean, the most powerful stories, no doubt, it
were all powerful.
It's a humanizing exhibit, it'snot a graphic exhibit talking
about the tech.
Uh the everybody who uh diedthat day was killed, massacred.
Um uh it's stories about theirlife.
Uh it's a little bit about howthey fell, you know, the
soldiers specifically in battle,but but most of it is
(09:33):
humanizing.
Um, and so when the delegationwas there telling their story
over and over and over, uh, forfive days straight.
We landed on Thursday.
We had the VIP opener, thenFriday, Saturday, Sunday,
Monday.
And it's very powerful to hearthem all tell their own story uh
(09:53):
over and over.
Uh and so that really, reallytouches the heart more than
anything, and it touched theheart of I think every guest.
They were mainly groups thatthese delegation members led
that heard these stories, andthey were the most powerful, no
doubt.
SPEAKER_01 (10:08):
What was your initial thought for the mission
of this exhibit?
And I'm curious if that's kindof evolved.
SPEAKER_00 (10:16):
We didn't know what we were getting into.
Uh, I actually work in the autoparts industry, so this was very
out of the box for us.
And it was definitely beyond ourour, I would say, highest hopes
and expectations.
Uh, the reactions for people wasbeyond um beyond what we had
expected.
Uh, the panel discussion where800 people showed up uh at
(10:38):
Bethel Synagogue in Minneapoliswas extremely uh successful and
again very powerful.
Each one of them told, like theydid in the exhibit, but in a
different format, uh, their ownpersonal stories.
Uh they were very brave andresilient to continue for five
days to do it and then get up infront of 800 people and be able
(10:59):
to do it.
So it was it was beyond our ourhopes and expectations.
Uh, this was all privatelyfunded, and so to get it to
another city, we're gonna haveto uh find more donors.
We need to find local people onthe ground to really search out
the venue uh and figure out thelogistics side of it.
The exhibition, the good thing,the way we created it, was that
it's packed up now in customizedcrates that we can ship it to
(11:22):
whatever the next city is thatwe want to go to.
Uh, we just need to find outwhat city that's gonna be
because when we started, wethought it was gonna be a three
to four, five month max project,and it turned into almost a
12-month project.
So we're just hoping to continueto get the word out and find a
person or people on the groundin one of the cities we're
looking at to hopefully make itmove forward.
(11:45):
Which cities are you looking at?
Most of the inquiries we'vereceived have been from Chicago,
Miami, LA, uh, New York, and alittle bit in Toronto.
Uh there's some smaller citiesas well, but those are the big
ones that we're probablyhopefully going to aim for.
SPEAKER_01 (12:00):
What was the feedback that you've received?
SPEAKER_00 (12:03):
I mean, the main feedback or the main question we
received from people uh waswhere what city is it going to
next?
So and and we were we were, youknow, and we still are now,
we're just kind of coming downfrom from after the exhibition
and the Jewish holidays, and nowwe're into the into the new
year, uh, this new school year.
(12:25):
Um so we're just trying tofigure out, like I said, we
gotta hone in on on where it'sreally the most feasible, and
that's where we'll put all ofour efforts.
SPEAKER_01 (12:34):
One of the messages I believe that's coming from the
exhibit is this idea of drawingstrength from what was lost.
How would you describe that asbeing conveyed during the
exhibit or through it throughthe exhibit?
SPEAKER_00 (12:50):
I mean, I'm not an ex exhibition goer, um, but one
of the things that caught mewhen I was there is when you're
reading these stories, and as Isaid, they're humanizing
stories, you get caught as youcan't, it's hard to read every
single story.
There were 64 deaths on October7th on Kibutzkaraza, but you do
your best to read as much aspossible, and some of it you
(13:12):
scan, and what all of a suddencan catch your eye is generally
something that uh the personreading identifies with.
It could be cooking, uh Italianfood, it could be you know
playing soccer, whatever.
Um, and so those stories, whichwere humanizing stories, is I
think what really most uh uhbrought people in and made
(13:36):
people feel connected and andunderstanding uh that it's
really such a waste of humanlife, but from these amazing
stories, that's where theresilience comes.
You know, there are pictures ofthese kids smiling or these
families smiling and how theylove to live life.
And so you want to continue thaton.
(13:56):
Uh you you we we mourn and thenwe continue on, and that's
really you know the goal throughthe the strength that the
surviving community has andthrough the life that the people
who died uh lived.
SPEAKER_01 (14:10):
And that they are rebuilding this community, this
exhibit being uh a pinnacleexample of the forward thrust of
where that community and otherslike it are going for the
future.
SPEAKER_00 (14:24):
Yeah.
Yeah, it's amazing.
They all majority of them wantto go back.
Um they're in most of them areon their second or third uh uh
location where they're livingbefore uh temporary living
before they move home.
And the goal is August 2026,September, October, something
(14:45):
around there.
And it's pretty, it's prettyamazing that they are staying
together as a community andthey're so resilient to go back
home.
Yeah.
They they call it their victorywhen that day comes.
SPEAKER_01 (14:57):
I am curious, and I ask many of my guests this how
they define justice.
And I would ask you that, andalso whether that view you have
of justice shifted from what youhave seen through this exhibit.
SPEAKER_00 (15:14):
It's a good question.
I never really thought aboutthat.
Uh justice, you know, dependingon the culture, has very
different definitions, dependingon the religion.
Um justice, I think for me, andI believe for Judaism, is really
about continuing on.
I mean, that's ultimate justice.
(15:37):
You know, it's it's less aboutgetting back, or or I guess, or
maybe it is about getting back,but the way to get back is to
continue on, and that's what theJewish people have been doing
time in and time out for forgenerations.
Um, and again, I I kind of wouldtake that from your previous
question about you know whatwhat you get from these stories
(16:00):
and the the resilience of thesepeople that are still surviving,
and the people that died, andthe people that fought.
Um, the the main thing I thinkthat they would want uh is for
everybody to continue on.
And that is ultimately likesimilar to I said the members of
Kvaraza believe their victory,you call it their justice, is
(16:22):
when they get home becausethey're saying we're still here,
no matter what happened.
SPEAKER_01 (16:27):
What is the legacy that you hope this exhibit is
creating?
SPEAKER_00 (16:33):
I said to people when before well, as we were
launching it in the UnitedStates, that it's ultimately
this and there's not many otherexhibits like it, but when
there's attacks, any attack ishorrible.
Uh in August, when we launchedthe marketing and promotion
ticket sales for the exhibition,it was just a earlier before
(16:55):
that there was the churchshooting of these kids that
died.
And you hear all about theattacker, but you don't hear
much about the kids.
Um so this exhibition, again, ittalks about uh the people who
died and it doesn't even framethem as victims.
So uh that I think is what wewant to get out with regards to
(17:16):
the senseless deaths andkillings and hate that exists.
It's just it's a big questionmark.
It's why?
You know, what's the point?
What does it do?
It doesn't really do anything.
Hate, violence, anti-Semitism,uh so on and so forth.
It doesn't get anywhere.
So this exhibit conveying thepersonal stories of these
people's lives hopefully willalso help not just people
(17:40):
remember October 7th andkibbutzko Aza, but understand
that that person on the otherside is a human being as well.
And if we can just stop and andlearn a little bit about them,
wow, you like chess?
I play chess.
You like this pizza?
I like that pizza.
SPEAKER_01 (17:57):
Well, is there anything else that you wanted to
share that I have not asked youabout?
SPEAKER_00 (18:02):
If anybody's interested from any city or
looking for serious people thatto team up with, they should
visit the website.
The exhibition is called ThroughTheir Eyes.
It's tteexhibit.com.
And there there's uh contactinformation.
People should send uh an emailto us, or then go to our
Instagram site, which is alsoTTE Exhibit or TTE Exhibit on
(18:24):
Instagram.
Reach out to us.
We're looking to make a decisionwithin the next few weeks,
definitely by the end of theyear at the latest.
SPEAKER_01 (18:33):
There will be links in the show notes to learn if
you were intrigued by thispodcast.
It would be much appreciated ifyou could leave reading on the
podcast.
This is thank you so much forlistening.
(18:54):
Injustice.
We founded the first surviving project.
My wife made another message atthe DMI.
In order to join the exhibitionto the ball is the story of
LAPORPS to the MLS days andbusiness.
And it's really the big thingabout the story of the formula,
but it's really the story ofMillis, and Provost is very
(00:24):
simple.
So it's a big specialist and thefirst time.
(01:32):
Thanks, Stephanie.
Pleasure to be here.
SPEAKER_01 (01:34):
If you would give a bit of your background, your
connection with Kafar Aza andthe genesis of how the exhibit
through your eyes came intobeing.
SPEAKER_00 (01:46):
Okay.
It's like it's a little bit of astory, but I'll start from the
beginning and keep it short.
I'm born and raised inMinneapolis, Minnesota.
Uh I've been living in Israelthough for the past 25 years of
my life.
We have a company over here, andafter October 7th, uh when when
like many other companies andobviously most of the country,
people went to serve in Miloimreserve duty.
(02:09):
Uh, when my number one guy cameback, I was speaking with him
and he was telling us how hisunit had gone down south to
visit kibbutz Bayerie.
This is in um March of 2024.
And when I told my wife aboutit, we said it's such a great
idea to take our team down fromour company and visit the sites
(02:30):
of the massacre, of the attack,even though kibbutzim were all
closed down as of January 1,2024.
So the long story is we backedinto somebody, not specifically
looking to get into Kharaza.
We wanted to visit any kibbutz.
We hooked into somebody fromKfaraza.
Uh, we became very close withthe community.
Uh, we did some outreach, somefundraising.
(02:50):
And in October 2024, tocommemorate the one year uh from
the attack, they had Kfarazawith uh uh outside curator had
put together this exhibit whichtells the story of all those who
were killed on October 7th.
Uh, from the civilians to thefirst responder security team to
(03:10):
the to the rescue forces, uhstories about the hostages, uh,
and some few other things.
Uh and when my wife and I wereat that exhibit, we said, as
opposed to just trying tocontinue to raise funds where
people have to cut a blank checkand they don't really know where
it's going, we said maybe we canbring this exhibit to the United
States and travel around, justlike we really based it off of
(03:32):
the NOVA uh exhibition that'sbeen traveling around the US and
Canada for the past year and ahalf, plus minus.
Um, and this was in November,this was in October 2024 when we
came up with the idea.
Uh, it developed into many otherthings along the way.
Uh, a couple things are, forinstance, we had a delegation of
four surviving members joiningus.
(03:53):
Um, the project to bring thisexhibition, we called it the
surviving project, because wedidn't look at, we don't look at
them as survivors.
The story is that they're stillsurviving.
Uh, all these people who who whosurvived that day.
Um, and so it developed into adelegation coming into VIP event
for all the private uh donorsthat we had, um, followed by a
(04:18):
panel discussion that we broughtNoah Tishby in to moderate.
So it was a multifaceted eventthat took place over the first
five days with the delegation,and then the exhibition lasted
two weeks.
Uh, and it was a huge successand way out of the box for
anything that we ever expected,because it's it's really not the
world we live in.
This was all 100% volunteer formyself, my wife, and my sister
(04:39):
Jackie.
SPEAKER_01 (04:40):
The exhibit, the the curation of it.
So when you entered into this,the exhibit was already curated,
or did was there an evolutionfor that uh that shifted it from
that point?
SPEAKER_00 (04:52):
No, I mean we pretty much took what existed in
Israel, worked on all thetranslations and moving all the
material, uh the files really,uh, formatting it like it needed
to be for the U.S.
There was obviously somechanges, some light changes we
made uh that made it moresuitable for the United States
uh uh audience, because itwasn't just and it's not just
(05:15):
Jewish community that we'relooking to bring to this
exhibition.
Um, and then obviously anyupdates that happened along the
way.
So in in October 2024, KeithSiegel, uh a hostage of 484
days, was up on the wall of thehostage section.
In Minnesota, he was part of thedelegation.
So there's some obvious obviouschanges like that and uh and
(05:36):
enhancements really, becausethey were able to tell the story
from their own experience.
SPEAKER_01 (05:42):
There are different layers to the exhibit.
Would you share a bit about thatjust to give an overview of what
it consists of?
SPEAKER_00 (05:50):
Yeah.
So it's broken down into threedifferent parts.
Uh the main exhibit, like I wassaying earlier, is of the
civilian deaths, the rest the uhfirst responder security team,
the re the rescue forces, uh thehostages, and then there's
television screens, largetelevision screens set up
showing actually group chat uhtext messages that were
(06:11):
happening from the first minutethat the attack started through
uh the end, very intense.
Um groups of dozens, if nothundreds, uh in these in these
groups, and you can see uhreally just extreme uh what the
situation was at the time.
Uh, there's two other rooms.
One is a photo gallery showingthe pictures before October 7th
(06:34):
of Kfaraza, and then picturesshowing after the October 7th
attack.
And then the third room is apersonal testimony room that we
set up to look like a kind oflike a mini theater.
And there's three personaltestimonies from wives and
children and friends and familyof about three of the uh people
on the first uh first responderteam, the security team that
(06:55):
went out and died on the day ofthe attack.
Um, the thing actually that wedid add was that um there's
something called uhKnaffimschelbuba, it's the wings
of hope.
And it was developed by uhLivnat Kutz, who's from Kvaraza,
uh, and it's these wings, uhcolorful wings that are built.
It could be a couple feet on,you know, wide.
(07:17):
Most of them are really like 10feet wide, and you build it on
uh schools, community centers,and so on and so forth.
And it was created in Kharaza,July 2023, before the attacks,
symbolizing hope for peace tofly above the borders.
Um, and Levnot and her wholefamily were massacred on October
7th.
And my wife came up with theidea to do the wings of hope on
(07:40):
uh one of the walls where we hadthe exhibition in the in the
lobby area.
And but the difference that wedid was where the normal wings
of hope were built from toys.
It was a community project wherekids would bring color-coded
toys, group them up in yellow,red, so it was a very beautiful
set of wings.
We did color-coded um uh stickynotes, and everybody who visited
(08:02):
the the exhibition was wellwelcome to leave a note, a
thought, a prayer, a messagethat we then sent back to the
community of Kfaraza.
So that was the that was the oneaddition that we had, uh, which
was a powerful touch because yougot to see see and read uh
really what people felt aboutthe whole experience, which was
(08:23):
very powerful.
SPEAKER_01 (08:24):
Were there any messages from that portion with
the wings of hope that yourecall that you would want to
share?
SPEAKER_00 (08:32):
You know, there was hundreds of uh post-its, so not
anything specific, but very deepum and all across the board.
Uh, from showing support to somereligious prayers uh from
different communities, like Isaid, not just the Jewish
community.
There was many Christians thatattended.
Um, but but it was verypowerful.
SPEAKER_01 (08:56):
Also, just uh going back to the overview of the
exhibit, uh, are there anyparticular stories that most
resonated with you that youwould want to call out and
share?
SPEAKER_00 (09:10):
I mean, the most powerful stories, no doubt, it
were all powerful.
It's a humanizing exhibit, it'snot a graphic exhibit talking
about the tech.
Uh the everybody who uh diedthat day was killed, massacred.
Um uh it's stories about theirlife.
Uh it's a little bit about howthey fell, you know, the
soldiers specifically in battle,but but most of it is
(09:33):
humanizing.
Um, and so when the delegationwas there telling their story
over and over and over, uh, forfive days straight.
We landed on Thursday.
We had the VIP opener, thenFriday, Saturday, Sunday,
Monday.
And it's very powerful to hearthem all tell their own story uh
(09:53):
over and over.
Uh and so that really, reallytouches the heart more than
anything, and it touched theheart of I think every guest.
They were mainly groups thatthese delegation members led
that heard these stories, andthey were the most powerful, no
doubt.
SPEAKER_01 (10:08):
What was your initial thought for the mission
of this exhibit?
And I'm curious if that's kindof evolved.
SPEAKER_00 (10:16):
We didn't know what we were getting into.
Uh, I actually work in the autoparts industry, so this was very
out of the box for us.
And it was definitely beyond ourour, I would say, highest hopes
and expectations.
Uh, the reactions for people wasbeyond um beyond what we had
expected.
Uh, the panel discussion where800 people showed up uh at
(10:38):
Bethel Synagogue in Minneapoliswas extremely uh successful and
again very powerful.
Each one of them told, like theydid in the exhibit, but in a
different format, uh, their ownpersonal stories.
Uh they were very brave andresilient to continue for five
days to do it and then get up infront of 800 people and be able
(10:59):
to do it.
So it was it was beyond our ourhopes and expectations.
Uh, this was all privatelyfunded, and so to get it to
another city, we're gonna haveto uh find more donors.
We need to find local people onthe ground to really search out
the venue uh and figure out thelogistics side of it.
The exhibition, the good thing,the way we created it, was that
it's packed up now in customizedcrates that we can ship it to
(11:22):
whatever the next city is thatwe want to go to.
Uh, we just need to find outwhat city that's gonna be
because when we started, wethought it was gonna be a three
to four, five month max project,and it turned into almost a
12-month project.
So we're just hoping to continueto get the word out and find a
person or people on the groundin one of the cities we're
looking at to hopefully make itmove forward.
(11:45):
Which cities are you looking at?
Most of the inquiries we'vereceived have been from Chicago,
Miami, LA, uh, New York, and alittle bit in Toronto.
Uh there's some smaller citiesas well, but those are the big
ones that we're probablyhopefully going to aim for.
SPEAKER_01 (12:00):
What was the feedback that you've received?
SPEAKER_00 (12:03):
I mean, the main feedback or the main question we
received from people uh waswhere what city is it going to
next?
So and and we were we were, youknow, and we still are now,
we're just kind of coming downfrom from after the exhibition
and the Jewish holidays, and nowwe're into the into the new
year, uh, this new school year.
(12:25):
Um so we're just trying tofigure out, like I said, we
gotta hone in on on where it'sreally the most feasible, and
that's where we'll put all ofour efforts.
SPEAKER_01 (12:34):
One of the messages I believe that's coming from the
exhibit is this idea of drawingstrength from what was lost.
How would you describe that asbeing conveyed during the
exhibit or through it throughthe exhibit?
SPEAKER_00 (12:50):
I mean, I'm not an ex exhibition goer, um, but one
of the things that caught mewhen I was there is when you're
reading these stories, and as Isaid, they're humanizing
stories, you get caught as youcan't, it's hard to read every
single story.
There were 64 deaths on October7th on Kibutzkaraza, but you do
your best to read as much aspossible, and some of it you
(13:12):
scan, and what all of a suddencan catch your eye is generally
something that uh the personreading identifies with.
It could be cooking, uh Italianfood, it could be you know
playing soccer, whatever.
Um, and so those stories, whichwere humanizing stories, is I
think what really most uh uhbrought people in and made
(13:36):
people feel connected and andunderstanding uh that it's
really such a waste of humanlife, but from these amazing
stories, that's where theresilience comes.
You know, there are pictures ofthese kids smiling or these
families smiling and how theylove to live life.
And so you want to continue thaton.
(13:56):
Uh you you we we mourn and thenwe continue on, and that's
really you know the goal throughthe the strength that the
surviving community has andthrough the life that the people
who died uh lived.
SPEAKER_01 (14:10):
And that they are rebuilding this community, this
exhibit being uh a pinnacleexample of the forward thrust of
where that community and otherslike it are going for the
future.
SPEAKER_00 (14:24):
Yeah.
Yeah, it's amazing.
They all majority of them wantto go back.
Um they're in most of them areon their second or third uh uh
location where they're livingbefore uh temporary living
before they move home.
And the goal is August 2026,September, October, something
(14:45):
around there.
And it's pretty, it's prettyamazing that they are staying
together as a community andthey're so resilient to go back
home.
Yeah.
They they call it their victorywhen that day comes.
SPEAKER_01 (14:57):
I am curious, and I ask many of my guests this how
they define justice.
And I would ask you that, andalso whether that view you have
of justice shifted from what youhave seen through this exhibit.
SPEAKER_00 (15:14):
It's a good question.
I never really thought aboutthat.
Uh justice, you know, dependingon the culture, has very
different definitions, dependingon the religion.
Um justice, I think for me, andI believe for Judaism, is really
about continuing on.
I mean, that's ultimate justice.
(15:37):
You know, it's it's less aboutgetting back, or or I guess, or
maybe it is about getting back,but the way to get back is to
continue on, and that's what theJewish people have been doing
time in and time out for forgenerations.
Um, and again, I I kind of wouldtake that from your previous
question about you know whatwhat you get from these stories
(16:00):
and the the resilience of thesepeople that are still surviving,
and the people that died, andthe people that fought.
Um, the the main thing I thinkthat they would want uh is for
everybody to continue on.
And that is ultimately likesimilar to I said the members of
Kvaraza believe their victory,you call it their justice, is
(16:22):
when they get home becausethey're saying we're still here,
no matter what happened.
SPEAKER_01 (16:27):
What is the legacy that you hope this exhibit is
creating?
SPEAKER_00 (16:33):
I said to people when before well, as we were
launching it in the UnitedStates, that it's ultimately
this and there's not many otherexhibits like it, but when
there's attacks, any attack ishorrible.
Uh in August, when we launchedthe marketing and promotion
ticket sales for the exhibition,it was just a earlier before
(16:55):
that there was the churchshooting of these kids that
died.
And you hear all about theattacker, but you don't hear
much about the kids.
Um so this exhibition, again, ittalks about uh the people who
died and it doesn't even framethem as victims.
So uh that I think is what wewant to get out with regards to
(17:16):
the senseless deaths andkillings and hate that exists.
It's just it's a big questionmark.
It's why?
You know, what's the point?
What does it do?
It doesn't really do anything.
Hate, violence, anti-Semitism,uh so on and so forth.
It doesn't get anywhere.
So this exhibit conveying thepersonal stories of these
people's lives hopefully willalso help not just people
(17:40):
remember October 7th andkibbutzko Aza, but understand
that that person on the otherside is a human being as well.
And if we can just stop and andlearn a little bit about them,
wow, you like chess?
I play chess.
You like this pizza?
I like that pizza.
SPEAKER_01 (17:57):
Well, is there anything else that you wanted to
share that I have not asked youabout?
SPEAKER_00 (18:02):
If anybody's interested from any city or
looking for serious people thatto team up with, they should
visit the website.
The exhibition is called ThroughTheir Eyes.
It's tteexhibit.com.
And there there's uh contactinformation.
People should send uh an emailto us, or then go to our
Instagram site, which is alsoTTE Exhibit or TTE Exhibit on
(18:24):
Instagram.
Reach out to us.
We're looking to make a decisionwithin the next few weeks,
definitely by the end of theyear at the latest.
SPEAKER_01 (18:33):
There will be links in the show notes to learn if
you were intrigued by thispodcast.
It would be much appreciated ifyou could leave reading on the
podcast.
This is thank you so much forlistening.
(18:54):
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