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August 17, 2025 109 mins

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In this conversation, Michael Sullivan shares his unique journey from studying anthropology to serving in the military and eventually working for the CIA. He discusses the impact of his autism diagnosis on his life choices and how neurodivergence often leads individuals to seek structured environments. The conversation delves into the complexities of PTSD, the nuances of trauma, and the challenges faced by neurodivergent individuals in both military and civilian life. Sullivan's insights provide a deeper understanding of the intersection between personal experiences, education, and career paths. In this conversation, Sully shares insights into the CIA's hiring process, emphasizing the psychological factors that influence candidate selection. He discusses the importance of managing personal issues and the role of shame in disqualification. The conversation then shifts to the unique training methods employed by the CIA, including immersive role-playing experiences. Sully reflects on his transition from a high-stress intelligence career to teaching, driven by a desire to raise his children in a stable environment. The discussion concludes with thoughts on the future of AI and its potential impact on global power dynamics, particularly between the US and China.

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