October 31, 2025 • 31 mins
Season two: We return after months away to share how Amy's late-night title became a finished book, how 14 grieving mothers found their voices, and how a simple idea turned into a retreat that gave hope to an entire room. We talk honestly about what it takes to write through pain—how a few fragile sentences grew into chapters filled with survival tools, trigger alerts, and small, repeatable practices that make the hardest hours more livable...all while honoring our angels.
From there, the conversation widens to community and faith. We unpack the retreat’s origin story, the curriculum we shaped from the book’s themes, and the moment so many mothers arrived with exit plans, then stayed to laugh, cry, and speak their children’s names without flinching. A hayride carried us to a quiet pond, where lantern-lit boats drifted across the water—a living ritual for memory, love, and the space grief still needs. Along the way, life kept happening: Amy's father’s illness and passing, work deadlines, school plays, and the shock of time. We are so proud of pushing through tough times to create a book and a retreat that shows how Warrior Moms survive...and thrive.
If you’ve felt alone in loss, or you support someone who is grieving, this conversation offers practical guidance, sacred pauses, and real community you can hold onto. Listen, share with a friend who needs it, and subscribe so you never miss what comes next. Your review helps other warrior moms find their people.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:08):
Hello, and welcome back to Warrior Moms.
I am Michelle.
And I'm Amy.
And I bet y'all thought that wehad forgotten about y'all, but
we did not forget about you.
I know it's been a while.
Um, maybe six months, six, sevenmonths.
Ooh.
SPEAKER_00 (00:27):
All the middle school kids are groaning across
the nation.
SPEAKER_01 (00:30):
I know if you have kids, you know what we're
talking about.
SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
That is something that has come up in the last
week last talk.
Well, we're in our season two.
This is our kickoff.
Kickoff of season two.
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (00:43):
I don't know that I ever thought we'd be here,
really.
Well, I don't know that I thinkI feel like I knew that we would
be here because you and I areboth the type.
They're like, yeah, it soundslike a great idea.
Yeah, that's true.
Like consistency, and here weare two years later, still
going.
Um, yeah.
More people hearing about us andyes.
(01:10):
Needing the needing it.
I think that's what keeps usgoing, is that knowing that
there are moms out therelistening to it.
SPEAKER_00 (01:17):
Well, that's right.
And just, you know, so you noneof us feel alone.
I think that is what you and Ihave heard over and over again
in the last couple months isfrom the book to the website to
retreat all the things thatwe're gonna talk about.
Um I know.
SPEAKER_01 (01:34):
Let's let's bring everybody up to speed on the
first big thing was the book.
Yes, we have a warrior mom'sbook.
Yes, there's 14 of us that cametogether, blood, sweat, tears
and tears and tears.
Well, um, but we wrote a book.
14 of us wrote a book.
(01:55):
We each have a chapter thattalks about our child, the
tragedy, but the bulk of thechapters are about how we
survive, our survival skills,our strategies, you know, some
about our dark days and how wehave joyful days, once again.
SPEAKER_00 (02:12):
Yeah.
We we what was it three yearsago now?
Um one of the founding moms,Christine McHenry, that has one
of the podcast episodes, she'son several.
Um, she had said, let's let's doit, let's write a book.
It really we talked about thatwe wanted a book that we wished
(02:32):
we had, right?
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (02:35):
And that's there were what 28 of us that thought
were dumb enough to say, soundslike a great idea.
SPEAKER_00 (02:44):
Let's do it.
SPEAKER_01 (02:45):
Let's do it.
SPEAKER_00 (02:46):
Yeah, and I'm an English teacher, and so I
offered, well, I'm glad tocollect them and see what we
have and try to figure out youknow where to go next.
And um did a great job.
SPEAKER_01 (02:59):
You did a great job, Michelle, doing the outline of
what each chapter should holdbecause the chapters that you
got were what slim.
Oh I say people they're uh theywent from like 12 sentences to
12 pages, mind being 12 pages,probably, right?
(03:19):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (03:20):
Um because and then other people were just yeah,
most people had barely 500words.
Um and you know, it was it wasthose 500 words were really hard
to write as it was.
Um, and so I had just decided,well, you know, of course, as an
English teacher, I know and knewthat I could take all of us
(03:43):
through some writing retreatsand help us kind of move along
through that process.
And I asked the greater warriormom group, is there anyone that
wants to help me?
And thank goodness youimmediately said you would.
SPEAKER_01 (03:58):
Here I am, here I am, three years later, still
kicking with you.
Um and you did stuck it out withme, huh?
You stuck it out with me.
Oh my gosh.
I think we stuck it out witheach other.
Yeah, we stuck it out with eachother.
We all, I think all of us, all14 of us, have our we're all
different in so many ways.
(04:19):
Um we lost our children in somany ways, we coped so many
different ways.
Um, and that I think that's whatmakes it beautiful.
Um, but you did you and most ofus are not writers.
So you literally took a group ofnon-writers and made us writers.
You produced, helped us toproduce, and with your editing
(04:41):
skills and and teaching skillsand everything, um, something
we're extremely proud of.
SPEAKER_00 (04:47):
Yes.
I gosh, I was just reading it umfor our audio book, um, my
chapter, and I got home and Ijust sat in bed and wanted to
read everybody else's chaptersagain.
And it's just, oh my gosh, I gotso just emotional about it, just
so incredibly proud of all of usbecause wow, we know it was
(05:13):
hard.
Um, and yet it's such importantwork.
We've gotten such incrediblefeedback.
SPEAKER_01 (05:20):
Do you know what I think that I've had friends
that, you know, our friends havepurchased the book just to
support us.
Yes.
And I think that they I've had acouple of them actually that I
think were surprised.
You know, they bought it andwe're gonna read my chapter, but
they actually read the wholebook.
And and one of these ladies isnot a reader, but she said I
couldn't put it down.
SPEAKER_00 (05:41):
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_01 (05:42):
I mean, and to me, that is like the biggest
compliment.
SPEAKER_00 (05:45):
Absolutely.
Now, especially especially whenit's so sad, like for somebody,
you know, still to be captivatedwith our stories and the way
that we bring our kids to lifeand our strategies, you know,
that we didn't just say, hey, dothis, that we sh we painted a
picture of how we go in ourgarden like you.
(06:06):
Yeah.
How we yeah.
Do all the things.
SPEAKER_01 (06:11):
Yes, do all the things, do all the things.
SPEAKER_00 (06:13):
Yeah.
So it the book launched on gosh,was it August 6th?
SPEAKER_01 (06:19):
Yes.
I think that the pre-launchstarted in June, right after we
finished up our first season ofpodcast.
Yes.
Um, and then so from that, well,you know, the book name is
Grieve Like a Mother, SurviveLike a Warrior.
(06:41):
Thank you to you and the awesometitle.
Oh, well, thank you.
Um that's one of those thingsthat you wake up in the middle
of the night and like, that'sit.
That's it.
And you say it out loud, andsomebody else says, That's it,
when we thought about it.
Gosh, I stressed about it.
We all stressed about it formonths, and then it just it just
comes.
But um, so then out of the book,so you know, part of the we took
(07:07):
forever finding publishers, andthen we're like, okay, we got a
publisher, and then they'relike, Okay, well, you need book
signing, you need book launchparties and all this.
So I went to a dear friend ofmine.
Um, actually, I went out thereon May 4th.
Um, that's the day that Alecpassed away.
That's how it just sits.
I drove out that way to staywith her for a few days.
(07:29):
She lives on the lake.
And I woke up one morning, andwell, first I'd said, Can we
have a um just a post-launch atthe barn?
Yeah.
And she was like, Yeah, I'm sureyou would.
So then I wake up two morningslater, she's sitting on the back
(07:49):
porch and says, We're planning aretreat today.
And she is such, I know, she'ssuch a gift, but she was
intending it for be for just us.
SPEAKER_00 (08:00):
Yeah, to fill fill the warrior mama's hearts.
SPEAKER_01 (08:03):
Yes, just to fill us up after the you know, the book
and all that kind of stuff.
Well, then it evolved into I waslike, we don't need, I don't
feel like we need anything.
And it evolved into we're gonnainvite 50 newly bereaved mothers
that have lost their childrenand shower them with love and
and help grow them a community.
(08:26):
Let them know that they are notalone in this journey, because
that is one of the biggestthings I think that we get from
this podcast is saying, I'm notalone.
And I think that's where we getour strength is from each other
learning that we are not alone.
SPEAKER_00 (08:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:41):
And you're like, oh my god, that happened to me too,
or I feel the same way.
Or I mean, yeah.
I know you and I say it all thetime together.
So anyway, so and then the firstphone call.
So Amy and I are sitting there,and I said, Well, um, I need to
call Michelle because she canwrite the curriculum.
SPEAKER_00 (08:57):
Um, and the phone call was one of the cutest phone
calls I think I've everreceived.
You were like you.
I just you said, I know you'renot gonna understand anything,
but I just want you to listen.
And I was like, I mean, okay.
All I could hear is all of thethree of you.
At that point, it was MikeRainey, who owns the barn, Amy,
(09:21):
your friend, and you and all ofyou were brainstorming about
this just incredible event thatyou guys had dreamed up.
SPEAKER_01 (09:28):
Going wild crazy, yes.
But like I said, it was oh Idid.
I said, You're not gonnashampoo.
Can you write the curriculum?
Because you and I have alwaysthat was one of those far-off
dreams, you know, like thoughts.
Yes, yes, that you never thinkis gonna come to fruition.
Yeah, how could we make ithappen?
Yeah, how is that gonna happen?
(09:49):
But we knew it was needed, soI'm gonna let you take it from
there.
SPEAKER_00 (09:53):
Yeah, well, and I think Amy, you you in the midst
of all this incredible funplanning, you had to deal with
some really hard days andheartache, and um I did, I did,
I did.
SPEAKER_01 (10:08):
So we went on our family vacation in June, the
first full week of June, andthen two weeks later, my father
was went to the hospital.
He then had a massive heartattack.
Um, he had been sick sinceFebruary with pulmonary
fibrosis.
Anyway, I'm not gonna go intoall the details, but he was in
and out of the hospital prettymuch all summer.
(10:31):
Um, and then when he would gohome, my mom needed help taking
care of him and stuff like that.
And he was getting so muchbetter.
And then um on October 21st, hepassed away.
So it it was a yes, this summer,you know, and that's when it's
one of those things where andI'm gonna say this out loud for
(10:54):
the world to hear because I'vesaid it to you, I've said it to
Jeff, but I said during thosemonths, though, it was probably
what June, July, August,September, five months.
Yeah, during those five months,I was my husband, Jeff, and I,
we were praying differentprayers for your about your dad.
(11:14):
For my dad.
About my dad, about all of it.
And not that that's wrong.
And if this had been someoneelse's dad, I would have been
like, well, it's praytime.
SPEAKER_00 (11:24):
But it yeah, what I learned in the want him to be
out of suffering and so forth,right?
SPEAKER_01 (11:29):
Yes, yes, but I wasn't ready.
Like my sister and I, we were onthe phone all the time telling
my mom what to do because shewas just in survival mode taking
care of daddy, you know, and nottelling her what to do in a bad
way, but trying to figure outwhat was going on, what we could
do, how we could do it, whatdoctors we needed to see, you
know.
On the phone with you, asking,tell ask Jeremy, blah blah blah,
(11:52):
you know?
And so, but yes, so that, youknow, and when you when you deal
with grief and you, you know,we've dealt with the ultimate
grief, but it still doesn't makeit easier.
But I do think that it helped methrough this process, and for
now I know how to deal withgrief.
SPEAKER_00 (12:17):
Yeah, and you know, uh you I mean, like you talk
about it in your chapter aboutseeing your trigger signs,
right?
Knowing knowing what those areand your red flags, like when am
I when am I in depression?
When when do I need to talk toyou?
SPEAKER_01 (12:33):
Well, and like I had just told Jeff earlier this
week.
I mean, because you know, we inthe midst of all this, like you
said, we've planned a retreat.
Um and um when then he passes,and then we do the funeral, and
then you know, we have to helpmom with which my mom is
(12:54):
completely capable, but yeah,and you're it's just a lot.
Yeah, it's just a lot, you know.
But and then we had the retreatand all this, and what's all
that, so I never really had theofficial grievance time.
SPEAKER_00 (13:09):
Oh, I mean you were just I mean, truly running.
I mean, it was Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (13:15):
And then I have a daughter that was the lead in
the play, and then yes, youknow, so it's rehearsals, it's
costumes, it's yes, justrunning, running, running.
So this week has kind of beenthe first time that I've been
able to just be and get backinto work and get all that.
It's it is, it's heavy, and Iand like you said, it because I
(13:37):
have worked all these tools andI've done all of this through,
you know, writing the chapterand reading everybody else's and
doing all of that, I'm still notprepared for it.
No, but I I am prepared for it.
Does that make sense?
I have a tool bag and I knowwhat tools to start pulling out.
Earlier this week, what I wasgonna say is I started feeling
(13:59):
those um my depression's on itsway at the end.
Yeah, I feel it.
And so I've had to really be,you know, I gave myself a day or
two, yeah, sleep in or go takenaps and do what my grieving
body does.
Um but I'm like, okay, it'stime.
SPEAKER_00 (14:20):
Yeah.
Yeah, and it's just doesn't meanyou won't be back in the bed
feeling sad about things, butyou know you're gonna give
yourself grace, give yourselfthat time, and then
simultaneously put one foot infrother frother, one frother,
one foot in front of the other,and and okay, jump into life
(14:43):
again.
SPEAKER_01 (14:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:44):
You know, it just all sucks though.
I know.
It just I mean it's just all ofit.
It's the missing, it's just themissing.
I mean, yeah, I had some teacherfriends over, um and they were
they were the teachers, the theschool when that I was working
at when Carter died.
(15:05):
Okay.
And so then they knew Carter.
Of course, they were the onesthat um got the text from me
that said Carter's dead.
I need people, please get toRoswell, um, since we didn't
have family here.
And so they they have just, youknow, literally breathed life
back into me.
And the one of my friends waslike, gosh, you know, how old is
(15:27):
Blue, which was Carter's dog?
And I was like, Oh gosh, let methink.
Let's see.
And all of us, you could justsee like all of us choking the
tears back because it was like,oh my gosh, Carter's been gone
nine.
Yeah, got the dog the yearbefore, so he was 10, but the
dog was already, you know, ayear old.
So the dog's 11 years old.
(15:49):
And it just hit me sitting andvisiting with him because it was
just like, oh, I mean talkingabout a stupid dog.
Yeah, and it was 11 years ago,and of course, it's not about
the dog, but it's about the dog.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (16:03):
You were talking about a dog.
It was an honest question thatnobody, not even you, thought
was gonna come out.
SPEAKER_00 (16:10):
Right.
And it just cannot be possiblethat it's that it's that's
what's weird.
SPEAKER_01 (16:16):
We're all growing, we're all I say I'm growing out
instead of up.
We do that from time to time.
Growing out, there's no hope ingrowing up anymore.
But it's just you know, it'sit's surreal.
(16:39):
It is for sure to think aboutand just you know, like Greta.
I mean, she's turned into abeautiful young lady.
Just getting ready to head tocollege.
I can't believe it.
Hadn't even lost all of her babyteeth.
SPEAKER_00 (16:53):
I know, and here we are.
Yeah, it's just wild.
But I just think about theseason that you just went
through and gonna continue overthis next couple years with
missing your dad, and of course,continuing to miss Alec.
And yet at the same time, wehave all this new celebration
(17:16):
and joy with our book and thesuccess of the retreat.
Um, the feedback, I know you hadtexted me that was it Sunday or
Monday after, I guess it wouldhave to be Monday after the
retreat.
SPEAKER_01 (17:31):
Yeah, because I slept for like 10 hours on
Sunday.
I didn't even drop back.
It was dark when I woke up.
It was I was exhausted.
SPEAKER_00 (17:43):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (17:44):
But yeah, so it was probably Monday, but I just
continuous and my number oneprayer for all these women was
number one that they foundconnection.
And I think yours too.
I'm not gonna speak for you, butI have a feeling we were we're
in the same page of a lot ofthis, and you can add to it in
(18:04):
just a minute.
But the biggest prayer that Ithink that we had for them in
going into the retreat was theywould find community, that they
would find others like them thatthey can sit and talk about
their children with and not feellike ashamed.
Yeah, yeah.
(18:25):
Or that like, oh my god, I'mmaking them sad, or they don't
want to hear about this, becauseyou know, people squirm in their
chairs whenever you starttalking about your child and
they know he's passed away andyou're talking about him like
he's here, and you know, it'sjust you flip from past tense to
present tense, and yes, yes, andthen you also need to talk about
the trauma too.
SPEAKER_00 (18:46):
Yes, um, and that that's hard, like you said, the
squirming that people do intheir seats of natural.
We don't blame anybody for it,but and yeah, that prayer uh
just and gosh, was that aresounding Jesus showed up in
that barn.
SPEAKER_01 (19:02):
My goodness, and I told Jev, and I'm sure you told
Jeremy too, but I was so gladthat he was there to witness it
because you could not I don'tcare what you say.
SPEAKER_00 (19:14):
Mm-mm.
SPEAKER_02 (19:15):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01 (19:16):
It it's not you can't explain it.
SPEAKER_00 (19:20):
But Jesus showed up and sacred, and I mean, every
single warrior mom and volunteerand you know, Mike and Kathy
that owned the barn.
I mean, every single person justhad a very they were all
supposed to be there and was allit was just this synergy, it was
(19:42):
just incredible.
SPEAKER_01 (19:43):
That's what it was.
Everybody was together and justwanting and thirsty.
And there was some you know,messages that I saw it was
something I didn't know Ineeded, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:54):
But you know, but gosh, it was just been a good
thing.
And that I and you know, wetalked about how we watched the
moms walk in tentative and eventeary-eyed, and a couple of them
had said, I don't know if I'mgonna make it through the whole
weekend, but I'm really gonnatry.
Yeah.
And by Friday night, they hadalready had friends and were
(20:14):
laughing and talking.
SPEAKER_01 (20:16):
How many did you hear?
Okay, so walking in.
I'm just thought about this whenyou said that.
Walking in, how many women didyou hear that already had their
exit planned?
SPEAKER_00 (20:25):
Oh gosh, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_01 (20:29):
Well, I've got this and this this weekend.
Yeah.
Like walking in the door.
I might have to leave tomorrowbecause my niece's brother,
sister's dog is having a babyshower, you know.
I mean, yeah.
I mean, yeah, that wasn't one ofthem, but it was yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:46):
I mean, and life was continuing on for everyone, of
course, back home.
But it was that um I'm you know,uh, all of us, I can only
imagine going to something likethat in those first couple years
of losing Carter, that um that II would do the exact same thing.
Like what what can I say toleave?
SPEAKER_01 (21:08):
I don't know that I would have shown up, Michelle.
SPEAKER_00 (21:11):
Well, yeah.
I I maybe would have.
I mean I think you're yeah,you're I mean, but you know,
having people invite youpersonally, um I think that
really helped.
And now that it's the first one,people have seen pictures and
yep, you know, heard stories andthey're they're just playing.
(21:32):
Well, and I think you're havingthe next one.
SPEAKER_01 (21:35):
And I think one of the biggest successes, too, is
how many women left saying, I'mgoing back to my area and we're
gonna start our own warriormom's group.
SPEAKER_00 (21:46):
Yes.
And that I feel so empowered andI feel lighter, and of course,
the sadness is still there.
There's there's no oh no escape.
SPEAKER_01 (21:58):
No, but you gave it a space, you allowed it space to
live with you.
SPEAKER_00 (22:04):
And I I just like just for the listeners, I think
about um that, you know, thegetting that Saturday evening
when we all got on the um hayrides and we're all in our
turquoise t-shirts that youdesign, you know, that said
voyeur moms, and and we're intwo big hay rides on tractors,
(22:27):
you know, going through the farmand get to that little pond um
and have beautiful musicplaying, and everybody's
lighting their boat luminariesinto that pond.
I mean, wow, it was fantastic.
SPEAKER_01 (22:41):
Well, and it was it was so funny because we were we
were getting on that hay rideand it was a good old time.
We were laughing and cutting upand having all time.
Yes, it was just like we were ata we were kids, it was a fall
festival, you know, just anormal normal fall festival with
(23:01):
friends, and then like you said,we got down there to the
luminaries and it was it wasquiet again.
SPEAKER_00 (23:08):
Yeah, and it was a moment.
It was just spectacular.
I mean, I I just it it reallywas sacred.
I mean, to you know, just thatquiet space and people holding
hands and hugging and quietlykind of singing, and uh, it was
just beautiful.
I mean, there were so manymoments like that.
(23:30):
It was magical.
I was so proud of all of us,every single one of us, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (23:35):
Every one of them.
So altogether, there wasprobably, I would say, including
us and I say us, like theoriginal warrior moms that were
like table leads and you know,running the show, so to speak,
um, or guiding them through theweekend, whatever you want to
call it.
Um, I think that I counted 65probably warriors.
(23:58):
And then we probably, gosh, thevolunteers were a plethora of
volunteers throughout theweekend coming in from the East.
SPEAKER_00 (24:04):
26, 28, maybe, and then all the host fam, you know,
the host house.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (24:11):
Well, I think that you and I could go on and on and
on and on about.
But I mean bottom line isobviously we loved it.
We loved it, but the bottom lineis that Jesus showed up big
time.
SPEAKER_00 (24:22):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (24:23):
In ways that we couldn't have even no began to
create.
SPEAKER_00 (24:29):
And how amazing for us to be touching on like all of
the mom's books and theirchapters and um different
strategies throughout theweekend, um, so that you know,
people left with some extratools that they could tap into.
SPEAKER_01 (24:50):
So pretty exciting.
And they spoke out loud.
Some of them had don't speak thestory often.
SPEAKER_00 (24:56):
No.
SPEAKER_01 (24:57):
And that, like you said at the beginning of this
podcast, it is healing initself.
Yeah, it it is the last day onSunday.
What did we do?
SPEAKER_00 (25:10):
So what did we do on that Sunday?
Oh my gosh, it was so cool.
We had a podcast where everyonewas all the grieving moms were
in um rows, like conferencestyle.
And Amy, you and I had a podcastwith everyone.
SPEAKER_01 (25:34):
It was great.
And we had all 14 moms up thereon a panel on the panel to
answer the questions so that waythey got, you know, people
different places.
Yes.
So it was really, I thought itwas really fun.
Oh my gosh.
We had a live podcast.
Well, it wasn't live, it wasrecorded live.
Yes, how do we say that?
SPEAKER_00 (25:55):
Oh, yeah.
Recorded live.
That's right.
That's it.
Um, yeah, so that'll be our nextpodcast, as you'll get um to
hear what that QA panel podcastwas.
It was um the moms, you know,the the premise of it was, you
know, what after this weekend ofspending time together, what
(26:16):
what do you want to know fromthe Warrior moms?
And so it's some insight intojust what people would like to
ask any of the moms that wrotethe book.
SPEAKER_01 (26:28):
And we did have microphones and stuff like that.
So I'm anxious to hear.
SPEAKER_00 (26:32):
Yes, me too.
So that'll be coming out too.
So I'm so excited.
So, Amy, where can where caneverybody get the book?
SPEAKER_01 (26:39):
Well, they can Amazon, Amazon Foreman, Barnes
and Barnes and our website,which is warriormoms.me.
Um, you can find all of ourpodcasts, you can find the where
to order that.
You can sign up, um, get on thewait list or retreat, get fill
(27:00):
out a form to be on our podcast.
Um, or if you have a topic for apodcast, send us an email.
There's a way to send us anemail.
So you know, we we can talk allday about whatever we want,
right?
Um, but we want to we want to wewant to know what y'all want to
hear.
Do y'all want to hear morestories of you know, us
(27:23):
interviewing people?
Do you want us to focus more oncertain topics um and just have
different people talk aboutthat?
Yeah, I mean, we just kind of ina mix of it all.
Yeah, a mix of it, just tosurprise you.
Like, you know, sometimes we'resurprised at what we talk about.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:43):
Well, and there's a place if you want Amy and I to
come um and to speak.
We have had several speakingengagements that have just been
really successful and cool.
Um, I have one next week at aconference, so I'm excited at
the Gasbo, it's called GeorgiaGeorgia Association of School
(28:07):
Business Officials.
Oh.
Yes, they saw me on AmericanIdol.
Heard the story of Carter'spassing and the song that Slater
wrote and all of that.
Um, but it's it's really cool.
I'm talking about um how griefcan help remind all of us about
(28:28):
why we are in education.
Oh wow.
So even though they may not havelost any, you know, a child,
obviously we all carry grief.
So, anyway, all that to say isthat also on our website is
there's a place for if you wouldlike us to come speak.
We would love to do that.
SPEAKER_01 (28:46):
We would love to do it.
We would love to do it, andwe're not all sad.
No, funny, yes, funny,Michelle's.
I agree with that.
We have a good time, that's forsure.
We do have a good time, but wedo hit on a lot of serious
topics, so we try to not make ityeah, we balance it, I think,
(29:07):
pretty well.
Balance, that's the best word.
Well, yeah, we sure have missedbeing on here though.
SPEAKER_00 (29:12):
I know it's so fun, and um I guess I'll I'll post
this and then next week everyonewill get to hear the panel from
the retreat.
And um one of the things one ofthe moms suggested that I
thought was really cool, Amy.
I don't even know if I hadtexted you about it, but was to
have the retreat table moms.
(29:34):
So the warrior mom plus all ofthe grieving new warrioms um get
on by their table color.
So like the orange group wouldall do, and you and I would
interview them just about kindof their takeaways, both from
the book um and retreat andthings.
And so we might do that.
Never know.
(29:55):
That's fun.
SPEAKER_01 (29:56):
Yeah.
Because I do, I love hearing newvoices, yes, you know, and not
just the sound of their voice,but yeah, feelings and thoughts
and You know, because we all weare all in this what what is the
saying?
We're all in the same stormstorm, but we are in different
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boats.
SPEAKER_00 (30:17):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (30:17):
That's a I have never heard that.
Isn't that funny?
Yeah.
I'm surprised.
You hear all the good stuff.
Yeah, but I mean, yeah, we'reall in the same storm, but yeah,
we're in different boats.
Yeah, all different experiencesfor sure.
Sometimes I feel like I'm on araft made of popsicle sticks.
SPEAKER_00 (30:36):
Yes.
Oh my gosh.
That was me last week.
Whoa.
unknown (30:41):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (30:42):
Popsicle sticks break, right?
I underwater last week, forsure.
Well, just exhausted, but justgetting back to it.
Yeah, back to it.
Well, season two, new book,website, retreat.
Gosh, we've got a lot of reallycool stuff.
Yes.
And you never know what willcome next.
(31:02):
I know.
Well, until next time, everyone.
SPEAKER_01 (31:06):
Talk to y'all later.
Bye bye.
Hello, and welcome back to Warrior Moms.
I am Michelle.
And I'm Amy.
And I bet y'all thought that wehad forgotten about y'all, but
we did not forget about you.
I know it's been a while.
Um, maybe six months, six, sevenmonths.
Ooh.
SPEAKER_00 (00:27):
All the middle school kids are groaning across
the nation.
SPEAKER_01 (00:30):
I know if you have kids, you know what we're
talking about.
SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
That is something that has come up in the last
week last talk.
Well, we're in our season two.
This is our kickoff.
Kickoff of season two.
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (00:43):
I don't know that I ever thought we'd be here,
really.
Well, I don't know that I thinkI feel like I knew that we would
be here because you and I areboth the type.
They're like, yeah, it soundslike a great idea.
Yeah, that's true.
Like consistency, and here weare two years later, still
going.
Um, yeah.
More people hearing about us andyes.
(01:10):
Needing the needing it.
I think that's what keeps usgoing, is that knowing that
there are moms out therelistening to it.
SPEAKER_00 (01:17):
Well, that's right.
And just, you know, so you noneof us feel alone.
I think that is what you and Ihave heard over and over again
in the last couple months isfrom the book to the website to
retreat all the things thatwe're gonna talk about.
Um I know.
SPEAKER_01 (01:34):
Let's let's bring everybody up to speed on the
first big thing was the book.
Yes, we have a warrior mom'sbook.
Yes, there's 14 of us that cametogether, blood, sweat, tears
and tears and tears.
Well, um, but we wrote a book.
14 of us wrote a book.
(01:55):
We each have a chapter thattalks about our child, the
tragedy, but the bulk of thechapters are about how we
survive, our survival skills,our strategies, you know, some
about our dark days and how wehave joyful days, once again.
SPEAKER_00 (02:12):
Yeah.
We we what was it three yearsago now?
Um one of the founding moms,Christine McHenry, that has one
of the podcast episodes, she'son several.
Um, she had said, let's let's doit, let's write a book.
It really we talked about thatwe wanted a book that we wished
(02:32):
we had, right?
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (02:35):
And that's there were what 28 of us that thought
were dumb enough to say, soundslike a great idea.
SPEAKER_00 (02:44):
Let's do it.
SPEAKER_01 (02:45):
Let's do it.
SPEAKER_00 (02:46):
Yeah, and I'm an English teacher, and so I
offered, well, I'm glad tocollect them and see what we
have and try to figure out youknow where to go next.
And um did a great job.
SPEAKER_01 (02:59):
You did a great job, Michelle, doing the outline of
what each chapter should holdbecause the chapters that you
got were what slim.
Oh I say people they're uh theywent from like 12 sentences to
12 pages, mind being 12 pages,probably, right?
(03:19):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (03:20):
Um because and then other people were just yeah,
most people had barely 500words.
Um and you know, it was it wasthose 500 words were really hard
to write as it was.
Um, and so I had just decided,well, you know, of course, as an
English teacher, I know and knewthat I could take all of us
(03:43):
through some writing retreatsand help us kind of move along
through that process.
And I asked the greater warriormom group, is there anyone that
wants to help me?
And thank goodness youimmediately said you would.
SPEAKER_01 (03:58):
Here I am, here I am, three years later, still
kicking with you.
Um and you did stuck it out withme, huh?
You stuck it out with me.
Oh my gosh.
I think we stuck it out witheach other.
Yeah, we stuck it out with eachother.
We all, I think all of us, all14 of us, have our we're all
different in so many ways.
(04:19):
Um we lost our children in somany ways, we coped so many
different ways.
Um, and that I think that's whatmakes it beautiful.
Um, but you did you and most ofus are not writers.
So you literally took a group ofnon-writers and made us writers.
You produced, helped us toproduce, and with your editing
(04:41):
skills and and teaching skillsand everything, um, something
we're extremely proud of.
SPEAKER_00 (04:47):
Yes.
I gosh, I was just reading it umfor our audio book, um, my
chapter, and I got home and Ijust sat in bed and wanted to
read everybody else's chaptersagain.
And it's just, oh my gosh, I gotso just emotional about it, just
so incredibly proud of all of usbecause wow, we know it was
(05:13):
hard.
Um, and yet it's such importantwork.
We've gotten such incrediblefeedback.
SPEAKER_01 (05:20):
Do you know what I think that I've had friends
that, you know, our friends havepurchased the book just to
support us.
Yes.
And I think that they I've had acouple of them actually that I
think were surprised.
You know, they bought it andwe're gonna read my chapter, but
they actually read the wholebook.
And and one of these ladies isnot a reader, but she said I
couldn't put it down.
SPEAKER_00 (05:41):
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_01 (05:42):
I mean, and to me, that is like the biggest
compliment.
SPEAKER_00 (05:45):
Absolutely.
Now, especially especially whenit's so sad, like for somebody,
you know, still to be captivatedwith our stories and the way
that we bring our kids to lifeand our strategies, you know,
that we didn't just say, hey, dothis, that we sh we painted a
picture of how we go in ourgarden like you.
(06:06):
Yeah.
How we yeah.
Do all the things.
SPEAKER_01 (06:11):
Yes, do all the things, do all the things.
SPEAKER_00 (06:13):
Yeah.
So it the book launched on gosh,was it August 6th?
SPEAKER_01 (06:19):
Yes.
I think that the pre-launchstarted in June, right after we
finished up our first season ofpodcast.
Yes.
Um, and then so from that, well,you know, the book name is
Grieve Like a Mother, SurviveLike a Warrior.
(06:41):
Thank you to you and the awesometitle.
Oh, well, thank you.
Um that's one of those thingsthat you wake up in the middle
of the night and like, that'sit.
That's it.
And you say it out loud, andsomebody else says, That's it,
when we thought about it.
Gosh, I stressed about it.
We all stressed about it formonths, and then it just it just
comes.
But um, so then out of the book,so you know, part of the we took
(07:07):
forever finding publishers, andthen we're like, okay, we got a
publisher, and then they'relike, Okay, well, you need book
signing, you need book launchparties and all this.
So I went to a dear friend ofmine.
Um, actually, I went out thereon May 4th.
Um, that's the day that Alecpassed away.
That's how it just sits.
I drove out that way to staywith her for a few days.
(07:29):
She lives on the lake.
And I woke up one morning, andwell, first I'd said, Can we
have a um just a post-launch atthe barn?
Yeah.
And she was like, Yeah, I'm sureyou would.
So then I wake up two morningslater, she's sitting on the back
(07:49):
porch and says, We're planning aretreat today.
And she is such, I know, she'ssuch a gift, but she was
intending it for be for just us.
SPEAKER_00 (08:00):
Yeah, to fill fill the warrior mama's hearts.
SPEAKER_01 (08:03):
Yes, just to fill us up after the you know, the book
and all that kind of stuff.
Well, then it evolved into I waslike, we don't need, I don't
feel like we need anything.
And it evolved into we're gonnainvite 50 newly bereaved mothers
that have lost their childrenand shower them with love and
and help grow them a community.
(08:26):
Let them know that they are notalone in this journey, because
that is one of the biggestthings I think that we get from
this podcast is saying, I'm notalone.
And I think that's where we getour strength is from each other
learning that we are not alone.
SPEAKER_00 (08:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:41):
And you're like, oh my god, that happened to me too,
or I feel the same way.
Or I mean, yeah.
I know you and I say it all thetime together.
So anyway, so and then the firstphone call.
So Amy and I are sitting there,and I said, Well, um, I need to
call Michelle because she canwrite the curriculum.
SPEAKER_00 (08:57):
Um, and the phone call was one of the cutest phone
calls I think I've everreceived.
You were like you.
I just you said, I know you'renot gonna understand anything,
but I just want you to listen.
And I was like, I mean, okay.
All I could hear is all of thethree of you.
At that point, it was MikeRainey, who owns the barn, Amy,
(09:21):
your friend, and you and all ofyou were brainstorming about
this just incredible event thatyou guys had dreamed up.
SPEAKER_01 (09:28):
Going wild crazy, yes.
But like I said, it was oh Idid.
I said, You're not gonnashampoo.
Can you write the curriculum?
Because you and I have alwaysthat was one of those far-off
dreams, you know, like thoughts.
Yes, yes, that you never thinkis gonna come to fruition.
Yeah, how could we make ithappen?
Yeah, how is that gonna happen?
(09:49):
But we knew it was needed, soI'm gonna let you take it from
there.
SPEAKER_00 (09:53):
Yeah, well, and I think Amy, you you in the midst
of all this incredible funplanning, you had to deal with
some really hard days andheartache, and um I did, I did,
I did.
SPEAKER_01 (10:08):
So we went on our family vacation in June, the
first full week of June, andthen two weeks later, my father
was went to the hospital.
He then had a massive heartattack.
Um, he had been sick sinceFebruary with pulmonary
fibrosis.
Anyway, I'm not gonna go intoall the details, but he was in
and out of the hospital prettymuch all summer.
(10:31):
Um, and then when he would gohome, my mom needed help taking
care of him and stuff like that.
And he was getting so muchbetter.
And then um on October 21st, hepassed away.
So it it was a yes, this summer,you know, and that's when it's
one of those things where andI'm gonna say this out loud for
(10:54):
the world to hear because I'vesaid it to you, I've said it to
Jeff, but I said during thosemonths, though, it was probably
what June, July, August,September, five months.
Yeah, during those five months,I was my husband, Jeff, and I,
we were praying differentprayers for your about your dad.
(11:14):
For my dad.
About my dad, about all of it.
And not that that's wrong.
And if this had been someoneelse's dad, I would have been
like, well, it's praytime.
SPEAKER_00 (11:24):
But it yeah, what I learned in the want him to be
out of suffering and so forth,right?
SPEAKER_01 (11:29):
Yes, yes, but I wasn't ready.
Like my sister and I, we were onthe phone all the time telling
my mom what to do because shewas just in survival mode taking
care of daddy, you know, and nottelling her what to do in a bad
way, but trying to figure outwhat was going on, what we could
do, how we could do it, whatdoctors we needed to see, you
know.
On the phone with you, asking,tell ask Jeremy, blah blah blah,
(11:52):
you know?
And so, but yes, so that, youknow, and when you when you deal
with grief and you, you know,we've dealt with the ultimate
grief, but it still doesn't makeit easier.
But I do think that it helped methrough this process, and for
now I know how to deal withgrief.
SPEAKER_00 (12:17):
Yeah, and you know, uh you I mean, like you talk
about it in your chapter aboutseeing your trigger signs,
right?
Knowing knowing what those areand your red flags, like when am
I when am I in depression?
When when do I need to talk toyou?
SPEAKER_01 (12:33):
Well, and like I had just told Jeff earlier this
week.
I mean, because you know, we inthe midst of all this, like you
said, we've planned a retreat.
Um and um when then he passes,and then we do the funeral, and
then you know, we have to helpmom with which my mom is
(12:54):
completely capable, but yeah,and you're it's just a lot.
Yeah, it's just a lot, you know.
But and then we had the retreatand all this, and what's all
that, so I never really had theofficial grievance time.
SPEAKER_00 (13:09):
Oh, I mean you were just I mean, truly running.
I mean, it was Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (13:15):
And then I have a daughter that was the lead in
the play, and then yes, youknow, so it's rehearsals, it's
costumes, it's yes, justrunning, running, running.
So this week has kind of beenthe first time that I've been
able to just be and get backinto work and get all that.
It's it is, it's heavy, and Iand like you said, it because I
(13:37):
have worked all these tools andI've done all of this through,
you know, writing the chapterand reading everybody else's and
doing all of that, I'm still notprepared for it.
No, but I I am prepared for it.
Does that make sense?
I have a tool bag and I knowwhat tools to start pulling out.
Earlier this week, what I wasgonna say is I started feeling
(13:59):
those um my depression's on itsway at the end.
Yeah, I feel it.
And so I've had to really be,you know, I gave myself a day or
two, yeah, sleep in or go takenaps and do what my grieving
body does.
Um but I'm like, okay, it'stime.
SPEAKER_00 (14:20):
Yeah.
Yeah, and it's just doesn't meanyou won't be back in the bed
feeling sad about things, butyou know you're gonna give
yourself grace, give yourselfthat time, and then
simultaneously put one foot infrother frother, one frother,
one foot in front of the other,and and okay, jump into life
(14:43):
again.
SPEAKER_01 (14:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:44):
You know, it just all sucks though.
I know.
It just I mean it's just all ofit.
It's the missing, it's just themissing.
I mean, yeah, I had some teacherfriends over, um and they were
they were the teachers, the theschool when that I was working
at when Carter died.
(15:05):
Okay.
And so then they knew Carter.
Of course, they were the onesthat um got the text from me
that said Carter's dead.
I need people, please get toRoswell, um, since we didn't
have family here.
And so they they have just, youknow, literally breathed life
back into me.
And the one of my friends waslike, gosh, you know, how old is
(15:27):
Blue, which was Carter's dog?
And I was like, Oh gosh, let methink.
Let's see.
And all of us, you could justsee like all of us choking the
tears back because it was like,oh my gosh, Carter's been gone
nine.
Yeah, got the dog the yearbefore, so he was 10, but the
dog was already, you know, ayear old.
So the dog's 11 years old.
(15:49):
And it just hit me sitting andvisiting with him because it was
just like, oh, I mean talkingabout a stupid dog.
Yeah, and it was 11 years ago,and of course, it's not about
the dog, but it's about the dog.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (16:03):
You were talking about a dog.
It was an honest question thatnobody, not even you, thought
was gonna come out.
SPEAKER_00 (16:10):
Right.
And it just cannot be possiblethat it's that it's that's
what's weird.
SPEAKER_01 (16:16):
We're all growing, we're all I say I'm growing out
instead of up.
We do that from time to time.
Growing out, there's no hope ingrowing up anymore.
But it's just you know, it'sit's surreal.
(16:39):
It is for sure to think aboutand just you know, like Greta.
I mean, she's turned into abeautiful young lady.
Just getting ready to head tocollege.
I can't believe it.
Hadn't even lost all of her babyteeth.
SPEAKER_00 (16:53):
I know, and here we are.
Yeah, it's just wild.
But I just think about theseason that you just went
through and gonna continue overthis next couple years with
missing your dad, and of course,continuing to miss Alec.
And yet at the same time, wehave all this new celebration
(17:16):
and joy with our book and thesuccess of the retreat.
Um, the feedback, I know you hadtexted me that was it Sunday or
Monday after, I guess it wouldhave to be Monday after the
retreat.
SPEAKER_01 (17:31):
Yeah, because I slept for like 10 hours on
Sunday.
I didn't even drop back.
It was dark when I woke up.
It was I was exhausted.
SPEAKER_00 (17:43):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (17:44):
But yeah, so it was probably Monday, but I just
continuous and my number oneprayer for all these women was
number one that they foundconnection.
And I think yours too.
I'm not gonna speak for you, butI have a feeling we were we're
in the same page of a lot ofthis, and you can add to it in
(18:04):
just a minute.
But the biggest prayer that Ithink that we had for them in
going into the retreat was theywould find community, that they
would find others like them thatthey can sit and talk about
their children with and not feellike ashamed.
Yeah, yeah.
(18:25):
Or that like, oh my god, I'mmaking them sad, or they don't
want to hear about this, becauseyou know, people squirm in their
chairs whenever you starttalking about your child and
they know he's passed away andyou're talking about him like
he's here, and you know, it'sjust you flip from past tense to
present tense, and yes, yes, andthen you also need to talk about
the trauma too.
SPEAKER_00 (18:46):
Yes, um, and that that's hard, like you said, the
squirming that people do intheir seats of natural.
We don't blame anybody for it,but and yeah, that prayer uh
just and gosh, was that aresounding Jesus showed up in
that barn.
SPEAKER_01 (19:02):
My goodness, and I told Jev, and I'm sure you told
Jeremy too, but I was so gladthat he was there to witness it
because you could not I don'tcare what you say.
SPEAKER_00 (19:14):
Mm-mm.
SPEAKER_02 (19:15):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01 (19:16):
It it's not you can't explain it.
SPEAKER_00 (19:20):
But Jesus showed up and sacred, and I mean, every
single warrior mom and volunteerand you know, Mike and Kathy
that owned the barn.
I mean, every single person justhad a very they were all
supposed to be there and was allit was just this synergy, it was
(19:42):
just incredible.
SPEAKER_01 (19:43):
That's what it was.
Everybody was together and justwanting and thirsty.
And there was some you know,messages that I saw it was
something I didn't know Ineeded, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:54):
But you know, but gosh, it was just been a good
thing.
And that I and you know, wetalked about how we watched the
moms walk in tentative and eventeary-eyed, and a couple of them
had said, I don't know if I'mgonna make it through the whole
weekend, but I'm really gonnatry.
Yeah.
And by Friday night, they hadalready had friends and were
(20:14):
laughing and talking.
SPEAKER_01 (20:16):
How many did you hear?
Okay, so walking in.
I'm just thought about this whenyou said that.
Walking in, how many women didyou hear that already had their
exit planned?
SPEAKER_00 (20:25):
Oh gosh, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_01 (20:29):
Well, I've got this and this this weekend.
Yeah.
Like walking in the door.
I might have to leave tomorrowbecause my niece's brother,
sister's dog is having a babyshower, you know.
I mean, yeah.
I mean, yeah, that wasn't one ofthem, but it was yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:46):
I mean, and life was continuing on for everyone, of
course, back home.
But it was that um I'm you know,uh, all of us, I can only
imagine going to something likethat in those first couple years
of losing Carter, that um that II would do the exact same thing.
Like what what can I say toleave?
SPEAKER_01 (21:08):
I don't know that I would have shown up, Michelle.
SPEAKER_00 (21:11):
Well, yeah.
I I maybe would have.
I mean I think you're yeah,you're I mean, but you know,
having people invite youpersonally, um I think that
really helped.
And now that it's the first one,people have seen pictures and
yep, you know, heard stories andthey're they're just playing.
(21:32):
Well, and I think you're havingthe next one.
SPEAKER_01 (21:35):
And I think one of the biggest successes, too, is
how many women left saying, I'mgoing back to my area and we're
gonna start our own warriormom's group.
SPEAKER_00 (21:46):
Yes.
And that I feel so empowered andI feel lighter, and of course,
the sadness is still there.
There's there's no oh no escape.
SPEAKER_01 (21:58):
No, but you gave it a space, you allowed it space to
live with you.
SPEAKER_00 (22:04):
And I I just like just for the listeners, I think
about um that, you know, thegetting that Saturday evening
when we all got on the um hayrides and we're all in our
turquoise t-shirts that youdesign, you know, that said
voyeur moms, and and we're intwo big hay rides on tractors,
(22:27):
you know, going through the farmand get to that little pond um
and have beautiful musicplaying, and everybody's
lighting their boat luminariesinto that pond.
I mean, wow, it was fantastic.
SPEAKER_01 (22:41):
Well, and it was it was so funny because we were we
were getting on that hay rideand it was a good old time.
We were laughing and cutting upand having all time.
Yes, it was just like we were ata we were kids, it was a fall
festival, you know, just anormal normal fall festival with
(23:01):
friends, and then like you said,we got down there to the
luminaries and it was it wasquiet again.
SPEAKER_00 (23:08):
Yeah, and it was a moment.
It was just spectacular.
I mean, I I just it it reallywas sacred.
I mean, to you know, just thatquiet space and people holding
hands and hugging and quietlykind of singing, and uh, it was
just beautiful.
I mean, there were so manymoments like that.
(23:30):
It was magical.
I was so proud of all of us,every single one of us, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (23:35):
Every one of them.
So altogether, there wasprobably, I would say, including
us and I say us, like theoriginal warrior moms that were
like table leads and you know,running the show, so to speak,
um, or guiding them through theweekend, whatever you want to
call it.
Um, I think that I counted 65probably warriors.
(23:58):
And then we probably, gosh, thevolunteers were a plethora of
volunteers throughout theweekend coming in from the East.
SPEAKER_00 (24:04):
26, 28, maybe, and then all the host fam, you know,
the host house.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (24:11):
Well, I think that you and I could go on and on and
on and on about.
But I mean bottom line isobviously we loved it.
We loved it, but the bottom lineis that Jesus showed up big
time.
SPEAKER_00 (24:22):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (24:23):
In ways that we couldn't have even no began to
create.
SPEAKER_00 (24:29):
And how amazing for us to be touching on like all of
the mom's books and theirchapters and um different
strategies throughout theweekend, um, so that you know,
people left with some extratools that they could tap into.
SPEAKER_01 (24:50):
So pretty exciting.
And they spoke out loud.
Some of them had don't speak thestory often.
SPEAKER_00 (24:56):
No.
SPEAKER_01 (24:57):
And that, like you said at the beginning of this
podcast, it is healing initself.
Yeah, it it is the last day onSunday.
What did we do?
SPEAKER_00 (25:10):
So what did we do on that Sunday?
Oh my gosh, it was so cool.
We had a podcast where everyonewas all the grieving moms were
in um rows, like conferencestyle.
And Amy, you and I had a podcastwith everyone.
SPEAKER_01 (25:34):
It was great.
And we had all 14 moms up thereon a panel on the panel to
answer the questions so that waythey got, you know, people
different places.
Yes.
So it was really, I thought itwas really fun.
Oh my gosh.
We had a live podcast.
Well, it wasn't live, it wasrecorded live.
Yes, how do we say that?
SPEAKER_00 (25:55):
Oh, yeah.
Recorded live.
That's right.
That's it.
Um, yeah, so that'll be our nextpodcast, as you'll get um to
hear what that QA panel podcastwas.
It was um the moms, you know,the the premise of it was, you
know, what after this weekend ofspending time together, what
(26:16):
what do you want to know fromthe Warrior moms?
And so it's some insight intojust what people would like to
ask any of the moms that wrotethe book.
SPEAKER_01 (26:28):
And we did have microphones and stuff like that.
So I'm anxious to hear.
SPEAKER_00 (26:32):
Yes, me too.
So that'll be coming out too.
So I'm so excited.
So, Amy, where can where caneverybody get the book?
SPEAKER_01 (26:39):
Well, they can Amazon, Amazon Foreman, Barnes
and Barnes and our website,which is warriormoms.me.
Um, you can find all of ourpodcasts, you can find the where
to order that.
You can sign up, um, get on thewait list or retreat, get fill
(27:00):
out a form to be on our podcast.
Um, or if you have a topic for apodcast, send us an email.
There's a way to send us anemail.
So you know, we we can talk allday about whatever we want,
right?
Um, but we want to we want to wewant to know what y'all want to
hear.
Do y'all want to hear morestories of you know, us
(27:23):
interviewing people?
Do you want us to focus more oncertain topics um and just have
different people talk aboutthat?
Yeah, I mean, we just kind of ina mix of it all.
Yeah, a mix of it, just tosurprise you.
Like, you know, sometimes we'resurprised at what we talk about.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:43):
Well, and there's a place if you want Amy and I to
come um and to speak.
We have had several speakingengagements that have just been
really successful and cool.
Um, I have one next week at aconference, so I'm excited at
the Gasbo, it's called GeorgiaGeorgia Association of School
(28:07):
Business Officials.
Oh.
Yes, they saw me on AmericanIdol.
Heard the story of Carter'spassing and the song that Slater
wrote and all of that.
Um, but it's it's really cool.
I'm talking about um how griefcan help remind all of us about
(28:28):
why we are in education.
Oh wow.
So even though they may not havelost any, you know, a child,
obviously we all carry grief.
So, anyway, all that to say isthat also on our website is
there's a place for if you wouldlike us to come speak.
We would love to do that.
SPEAKER_01 (28:46):
We would love to do it.
We would love to do it, andwe're not all sad.
No, funny, yes, funny,Michelle's.
I agree with that.
We have a good time, that's forsure.
We do have a good time, but wedo hit on a lot of serious
topics, so we try to not make ityeah, we balance it, I think,
(29:07):
pretty well.
Balance, that's the best word.
Well, yeah, we sure have missedbeing on here though.
SPEAKER_00 (29:12):
I know it's so fun, and um I guess I'll I'll post
this and then next week everyonewill get to hear the panel from
the retreat.
And um one of the things one ofthe moms suggested that I
thought was really cool, Amy.
I don't even know if I hadtexted you about it, but was to
have the retreat table moms.
(29:34):
So the warrior mom plus all ofthe grieving new warrioms um get
on by their table color.
So like the orange group wouldall do, and you and I would
interview them just about kindof their takeaways, both from
the book um and retreat andthings.
And so we might do that.
Never know.
(29:55):
That's fun.
SPEAKER_01 (29:56):
Yeah.
Because I do, I love hearing newvoices, yes, you know, and not
just the sound of their voice,but yeah, feelings and thoughts
and You know, because we all weare all in this what what is the
saying?
We're all in the same stormstorm, but we are in different
(30:16):
boats.
SPEAKER_00 (30:17):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (30:17):
That's a I have never heard that.
Isn't that funny?
Yeah.
I'm surprised.
You hear all the good stuff.
Yeah, but I mean, yeah, we'reall in the same storm, but yeah,
we're in different boats.
Yeah, all different experiencesfor sure.
Sometimes I feel like I'm on araft made of popsicle sticks.
SPEAKER_00 (30:36):
Yes.
Oh my gosh.
That was me last week.
Whoa.
unknown (30:41):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (30:42):
Popsicle sticks break, right?
I underwater last week, forsure.
Well, just exhausted, but justgetting back to it.
Yeah, back to it.
Well, season two, new book,website, retreat.
Gosh, we've got a lot of reallycool stuff.
Yes.
And you never know what willcome next.
(31:02):
I know.
Well, until next time, everyone.
SPEAKER_01 (31:06):
Talk to y'all later.
Bye bye.
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