August 16, 2025 • 61 mins
Hello, and welcome to the first episode of our show! Smurf Girl and Papa Mitch have very extensive knowledge of the Jehovah's Witness Cult from being members for years. Now, both ex-members of that high control cult shed light upon many of the dark hidden secrets of that "religion".
In the first episode Mitch interviews Rose to add a little insight on how she came to leave that troubling organization. Stay tuned for episode 2 when Rose interviews Mitch.
Buckle up for a wild, informative ride, with many laughs along the way. We hope that you find this information on our channel very useful.
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UNKNOWN (00:00):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (00:34):
me sorry welcome to another episode of the ex
Jehovah's Witness I am Mitch Ihope you are doing well I'm very
excited for today I have a veryspecial guest and and I followed
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her on social media and we'vejust became good friends and
This is Rose Bundy, aka SmurfGirl.
SPEAKER_00 (01:06):
Hey.
Some people know me as VanessaLee Hansen, but you know.
SPEAKER_01 (01:13):
How are you today?
SPEAKER_00 (01:14):
I'm good.
How are you, Mitch?
SPEAKER_01 (01:17):
I'm doing well.
I really appreciate you beingon.
We were talking, and I was like,last night, and I was like, you
know what?
We're just going to have to domultiple segments.
because there is so muchinformation that I'm getting
from you.
So we finally nailed what we'lltalk about on this first
(01:38):
episode, which is basicallylike, because I'm new to this,
basically.
I stopped going in December of2024, and I became aware of the
online Ex-Jehovah's Witnessworld like late May, early June.
I was talking with you.
And you were shedding light onjust the movement and how it
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started and before we starteddoing video and Zoom and so
forth.
First of all, though, when didyou get baptized as a Jehovah's
Witness?
SPEAKER_00 (02:16):
Well, I got baptized twice because the first time I
got baptized, it was rightafter...
The demonized Smurf incident in1982, I was 10.
But then they were like, oh,that was too young and it was
too stupid.
So then they made me do it asecond time because it was, it
was really stupid.
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Like they thought it was goingto make me undemonized by
baptizing me real quick.
And so once a 10 and another at13.
SPEAKER_01 (02:48):
You were undemonized in three years.
SPEAKER_00 (02:52):
yeah i got re-demonized then i had to do it
again baptized me a third timeso yeah it was real stupid but
yeah
SPEAKER_01 (03:05):
wow i say that a lot when we talk just like wow i'm
just surprised now
SPEAKER_00 (03:13):
Only in the Jehovah's Witnesses.
We used to say that all thetime.
Only in the Jehovah's Witnessesis there anything that stupid.
Like when I try and explain itto a normal person, like a
normie, they don't get it.
They're like, what?
Yeah.
You know.
SPEAKER_01 (03:30):
Sometimes you'll answer me and I just kind of
stare at my phone for a while,like trying to make sense of it.
SPEAKER_00 (03:37):
Yeah, the witnesses is messed up.
It's like, you've got no clue.
And then they think I'm crazy.
I'm like, no, it's not me.
It's them.
I'm just explaining.
I'm not crazy.
I'm explaining them.
You know, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (03:53):
So now you all see why I said it would have to take
multiple segments.
SPEAKER_00 (03:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:00):
To just dive into everything that she wants to
say.
So, okay.
So you say early 80s?
SPEAKER_00 (04:08):
yeah 82 and then whatever 85 okay yeah like
something yeah 10 oh at 10 yeah10 like in 82 and then again at
85.
okay i don't even remember orcare but
SPEAKER_01 (04:26):
and so then when did you stop
SPEAKER_00 (04:30):
um i was ne i never was a real true believer You
know, I was never allowed to.
My behavior, being calleddemonized smurf girl since I
was, you know, 10 years old, itwas impossible for me to fit in.
And so I would just be a secretapostate all the time.
SPEAKER_01 (04:49):
Ah, got you.
SPEAKER_00 (04:50):
Okay.
And then I'd leave and comeback.
I was afraid of being shunned.
Mm-hmm.
UNKNOWN (04:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (04:58):
You know, I was just always afraid of being shunned,
and so I would be forced to comeback, and then I would have to
re-prove to my mom and stepdad,Arden Hansen.
I would always, you know, I'd belike, fine, you know, you won't
let mom talk to me.
I'll prove to you that I won'tfit in.
Like, do you think I'd fit in atthe Kingdom Hall?
Like, you know, I can't.
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Like, I'd go walking in, youknow, hey, brothers.
You know, I'd give them a talkon the stage.
Please.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (05:30):
Or
SPEAKER_00 (05:31):
even them saying, oh, I've raised my hand, and
they'd be like, Sister Bundy?
Sister Bundy, would you like tocome in?
Oh, yeah, you know?
Jehovah's going to destroypeople for Armageddon, you know
that, you know?
He's going to peck out your eyeswith a bird, you know?
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Like, you know, burnt hot dogs,just like Uncle Tony.
We
SPEAKER_01 (05:57):
used...
some mean stuff and so what whendid you become a vocal apostate
like just left and and you knowyou spoke against it when was
that
SPEAKER_00 (06:10):
uh well the first time was when i was 10 and then
they got me they get me undercontrol you know
SPEAKER_01 (06:17):
and
SPEAKER_00 (06:18):
then uh um i then at 16 i got married and so then i
got out for a little bit gotdivorced at 19, had to go back
again, because I moved in withmom and me and my stepdad again.
And then had to go back, thengot married again, back and
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forth, back and forth.
And
SPEAKER_01 (06:41):
I
SPEAKER_00 (06:44):
would always be then pulling a stunt, always.
I'm like a stunt maker, pullingsome kind of stunt.
And I would come back just longenough so that I could pull a
stunt or try and get my friendsout, like seeing somebody or
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going to the memorial, going tothe assembly, then trying to
make them worldly.
Did
SPEAKER_01 (07:11):
you ever get anyone to listen to you and leave?
SPEAKER_00 (07:13):
Yeah.
Oh yeah, I got a lot of peopleto leave.
There's a lot.
i'm getting notifications by theway is that messing with my
video no
SPEAKER_01 (07:23):
no you did it
SPEAKER_00 (07:24):
okay
SPEAKER_01 (07:25):
so when did you because you were just telling me
about uh you know how you allwould communicate and everything
so how were you meeting otherex-jehovah's witnesses before
all this digital age
SPEAKER_00 (07:41):
um i would sneak outside the assembly and talk to
the apostates you know and andoh and well and my stepdad would
work the help desk at theassembly so we would be up by
the escalator where the helpdesk is and i would sneak and
i'd say i'm just gonna go for awalk my back hurts you know and
then i go talk to the apostatesthere was this one he's he's an
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apostate online He wore thisstraw hat all the time and was
like the original apostate inTucson.
And I would go and sneak out andsay hi to him.
And sometimes I'd go across thepicket line and I'd be like,
yeah, you're all stupid.
And then my stepdad would comeout of the help desk.
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He'd be like, what are youdoing?
I'm like, I'm just having somefun.
Because they couldn't kick meout because, you know, dad...
was doing it you know dad was atthe help desk and it was like it
was a precarious situation it'slike what i'm demonized what are
you gonna say what are you gonnado they were in that whole 80s
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of my whole teenage years therewasn't anything they could do so
then it became an urban legendbecause i was just a stunt maker
and
SPEAKER_01 (08:57):
when did you so why did you just say i'm done with
it all and like just stop goingand pretending.
When did you stop pretending?
SPEAKER_00 (09:06):
When my mom died.
She died in 2014.
And I was like, I wasn't told, Iwas told a bunch of lies of why
she died.
SPEAKER_01 (09:18):
And
SPEAKER_00 (09:19):
I wasn't allowed to say goodbye.
And so I'm like, I think mystepdad did something.
He did something regardless.
He should not have done that tome.
You don't do that to me.
And so I'm like, okay, all betsare off.
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Mom's gone.
You're my stepdad.
My real dad's gone.
Nothing's holding me in orholding me back anymore.
You don't do that to me.
You don't do that to mom.
And I'm done.
And so I was like, I am going toget uncle Tony Morris and
(10:00):
everybody kicked off thegoverning body no matter what.
Like I was just done.
And also I looked online cause Iwanted to, I was looking online
about some stuff.
Cause I started to talk to himagain and accidentally came
(10:23):
across a bunch of apostatestuff.
okay um things that i hadn'tseen in a long time i'm trying
to think of what the first thingis that i saw more than likely
it was russell's pyramid
SPEAKER_01 (10:42):
and
SPEAKER_00 (10:45):
then i was like he gave me my all he gave me was my
mom's bible her jehovah'switness
SPEAKER_01 (10:52):
bible
SPEAKER_00 (10:54):
And I'm like, oh, and that made me mad.
You're going to give me a stupidwith all the little notes in the
margins, the big one?
Yeah, yeah.
I'm like, this is what I get?
Well, I'm going to use thissucker with all of mom's notes
in it with, you know, watchtowerthis and all her notes.
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I'm like, I'm going to use thisBible against them, and I did.
So they
SPEAKER_01 (11:19):
didn't tell you because you were shunned?
So they didn't tell you aboutyour mom passing?
Yeah.
Oh, man, that's rough.
SPEAKER_00 (11:28):
Yeah.
Well, and it was personal.
Like, it was straight uppersonal.
Because mom was turningapostate.
I already had left.
But things happened.
My uncle Morris Hanson went toprison in 2012.
And that was because of me andother things.
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He re-offended me.
And so him going to prison andgetting life, and then mom
started to wake up, and hedidn't want me talking to her.
And so– and she kept– well, shekept calling and saying, I only
have a second to talk to you.
(12:11):
I need you to look atjwfacts.com.
SPEAKER_01 (12:16):
And
SPEAKER_00 (12:16):
I'm like– what is that but it was real short it
was from 2012 to 2014 and thenall of a sudden she was dead and
i was like what happened oh andthen i was like well what is
this jw fax she was talkingabout i thought it was fax like
a fax you know oh yeah and theni saw what it was and i'm like
(12:38):
god some jehovah's witness youknow like i don't know like what
is this you know, JW facts.
I don't, there's no facts aboutJWs.
And then I'm like, oh, it'sapostate.
Like it dawned on me, mom'slooking at apostate stuff and
that she was like some kind ofa, like a secret apostate, like
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a deep throat.
And I was like, my mom was adeep throat.
So I'm like, I want to be a deepthroat.
I'm going to be the deepest
SPEAKER_01 (13:11):
throat.
No, I'm sorry.
i think i think i think we gotthe different meanings of deep
throat explain it what are youwhat are you talking about
SPEAKER_00 (13:26):
no you don't know what deep throat is
SPEAKER_01 (13:28):
i don't think your version
SPEAKER_00 (13:32):
like a spy
SPEAKER_01 (13:34):
oh
SPEAKER_00 (13:35):
you know like
SPEAKER_01 (13:38):
uh So all these years, I could have just been
saying I was fine.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (13:42):
Yeah.
Like an informant.
Like an informant.
Like a secret informant.
SPEAKER_01 (13:48):
All right.
Let's say informant.
SPEAKER_00 (13:50):
Yeah.
And so anyway, yeah.
So I just kind of took overwhere my mom, where I thought my
mom left off.
SPEAKER_01 (14:02):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (14:03):
And then so I saw like six screens of the
watchtower.
All these days I saw Kim andMikey.
I recognized them.
I was like, you know, I knowthose people.
I recognized like GilbertGonzalez, people from Tucson,
from the Tucson Assemblies.
And I was like, oh, wow, there'sa lot of Tucson Assembly people
(14:24):
here.
And so then, you know, joinedforces with them.
Now,
SPEAKER_01 (14:31):
real quick, because I didn't know what it was.
Can you explain what the sixscreens is in case any listeners
don't?
like me didn't know
SPEAKER_00 (14:39):
it's similar to this but at first it was just on the
phone like phone like a it'slike a rate it was like a radio
call-in kind of thing okay whereyou called in now it's kind of
like video now it's like thisbut before it was just a ring
you know voices radio call-inwas like five phone lines And
(15:04):
that
SPEAKER_01 (15:04):
surprised you when you saw it was more ex Jehovah's
Witnesses.
Were you surprised?
SPEAKER_00 (15:12):
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
I, oh man, I'm gonna take myselfback to that moment.
And especially when I saw peoplethat I knew, I was like, that's
Gilbert, you know, that's good.
That's like, you know, thatsaid, that's that Gilbert guy
from the assemblies, you know,that's Kim and Mikey.
(15:32):
and like people that i didn'teven remember their name and i
was like oh you know oh and youonce you meet rick fearing you
never forget them and so i waslike i'm gonna join in on this
because these are peop peopleand the straw hat guy that was
outside the assembly when i wasa teenager he was on youtube i'm
(15:53):
like that's too funny And so,yeah, I just started joining in
with all the Tucson people andthen everybody else from all
over.
And we networked a lot.
That was the one good thing.
We networked a lot.
SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (16:10):
But it was real.
Even just 10 years ago, it wasrudimentary.
Okay.
You know, like call-in showslike this with just like five
phone lines, that getting fivepeople to even join in was
difficult.
UNKNOWN (16:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (16:23):
People
SPEAKER_00 (16:24):
didn't want to show their, oh, 10 years.
That's not even 10 years, like2017, 2017.
Most people didn't even want toshare their name, let alone show
their face.
Most, there was only like LloydEvans would show his face.
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Kim and Mikey would show theirface.
You know, some other, I didn'twant to show my face.
A lot of people didn't want toshow their own face.
So even just showing your faceis a big deal.
SPEAKER_01 (16:55):
Tell me about that.
Why didn't you want to show yourface yet?
At that time, why didn't youwant to show your face?
SPEAKER_00 (17:06):
Because of my family, like the rest of them.
SPEAKER_01 (17:11):
It would cause trouble.
SPEAKER_00 (17:12):
Yeah, and it was fear.
Yeah.
Well, and I wanted to spy.
Like, you know, I wanted to spy.
And also, I didn't feel good atthe time.
So it was like I was in a realprecarious spot.
And my stepdad didn't know.
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And I didn't want him to know.
Even though I think from theget-go it was obvious.
You know, like when you hearyour own, you know, you know
it's them.
Especially when I was...
But, oh, see, well, I forget theobvious.
One of the reasons I didn't wantmy Uncle Brent to flip out.
I always called my Uncle BrentHanson my serial killer Uncle
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Brent.
I didn't want serial killerUncle Brent to go baseball bat
machete, because I know him morethan anybody.
And I was like, Uncle Brent'sgoing to go nuts.
I was like, I don't want UncleBrent to snap.
He's going to snap.
And he did snap.
And that was so public, man.
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Him snapping with a baseball batand machete on Jehovah's Witness
family members.
It doesn't get any more brutalthan that.
It was shocking where it waslike people are like, is she
kidding or is she serious?
I'm like, oh, no, I'm deadserious.
SPEAKER_01 (18:36):
Okay, I can see why you were trying to keep it quiet
then.
SPEAKER_00 (18:39):
Yeah, because I mean, he was just, you know,
it's like, what is she saying?
What is she this mad?
Is she talking about me?
And he just, you know, it'slike, yeah, I'm talking about
you.
I'm talking about you.
I'm talking about Uncle Clyde.
I'm talking about, you know.
(19:00):
So
SPEAKER_01 (19:01):
when you you mentioned J.W.
Fax.
What?
Because I use that a lot.
when I was discovering, becauseI was in that organization for
over 50 years and there was justa lot I didn't know.
And so was it anything inparticular on that website that
caught your eye to make youstart thinking?
SPEAKER_00 (19:25):
For me personally, there wasn't anything on there
that I didn't already know.
I used it as a tool to find thestuff that I already knew about.
Like, it's really good for, youknow, the old publications,
because the old publications areall scanned.
And so knowing I need this oldpublication of this picture,
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this page, I know that they're,and then perusing through and
then, you know, reading thoseold publications for myself and
then using them for my videos ofmy research.
And you see, you missed out onmy old channel.
Oh, you would have loved my oldchannel.
We started cart crashing,Kingdom Hall crashing.
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That's all new.
That stuff is new.
Since 2017, I remember the firstKingdom Hall crash.
The first real official and thefirst cart crash.
When we started calling themcart crashes.
SPEAKER_01 (20:31):
How many would go into a Kingdom Hall?
SPEAKER_00 (20:35):
Well, the first one was like Tony Prime went to the
memorial and he toasted withwine and he's like, this is for
all the, you know, and do it.
And it was like Tony Prime.
That was amazing.
That was amazing.
And then people went to Warwickand it's like, do a Kingdom Hall
crash like Tony Prime.
And a group went for Warwick.
(20:57):
And then we did one here inTucson, like six or seven of us
did one here in Tucson.
SPEAKER_01 (21:02):
How did they react?
Did they try to go all out?
They try to push you all outreal fast.
SPEAKER_00 (21:08):
Oh, yeah.
But it was monumental.
It was monumental.
It was more monumental than weknow yet.
Because arrests happened.
The Kingdom Hall crash we did,arrests happened.
SPEAKER_01 (21:27):
Now, what about the carts?
You said for...
The witness cards, what wouldyou all do at the witness cards?
SPEAKER_00 (21:36):
I know, I love it.
What?
You all
SPEAKER_01 (21:43):
would just go bother the witnesses at the cart.
SPEAKER_00 (21:46):
Yep.
Zeb Leatherman was the first onethat took his phone and went to
a cart and started harassingthem you know or doing what you
know bugging them asking themquestions to do it to be funny
and it was like you know that'sactually a good idea we even had
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to like in 2017 we didn't evenknow how to secretly really
record anything we think justwithin what is that like the
last eight years we figured outhow to use our cell phones how
to put them so that we couldrecord and do at the same exact
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time of how to record a cart andtalk to them and record it at
the same time.
Even how to upload things.
We've had to figure out so manydifferent things over the last
eight years.
Recording judicials.
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Recording the elders.
I've
SPEAKER_01 (22:53):
seen a couple of those where it was in a judicial
meeting, I've seen them wheresomeone was questioning an elder
about some doctrine, like secretrecording, you know?
SPEAKER_00 (23:05):
Yeah, I'm a huge secret recorder.
I've got some of my secretrecordings still, but my old
channel got taken down, but Isaved some of it.
I'll have to...
It's on my Patreon, but then myPatreon got taken down because
the family got mad.
Well, the elders that I recordedfound out about it.
SPEAKER_01 (23:24):
Oh, you know they don't like that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (23:26):
Oh, they hate it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (23:30):
And so now where we're at now as an Ex-Jobless
Witness community and everythingwe have at our disposal, how do
you feel about that?
How vocal we can be?
How does that make you feel?
SPEAKER_00 (23:46):
So proud to be a part of the grassroots of like
this, having video of you and meon video in 2017, we did not
know how to do it.
The only one that really knewhow to kind of do it, starting
to do it was Lloyd Evans.
(24:07):
And I remember all of usthinking, well, how does Lloyd
do that?
I want to do it.
And then seeing, you know, RickFearon figure it out, and then
I'm figuring it out.
And then during COVID, figuringit out, we're, oh, we didn't
even know what Zoom was.
So, like, I want to say to thewitnesses, I'm going to say this
to the witnesses.
(24:28):
You doing Zoom for the meetings,that was so useful to us
apostates.
Like, ooh, you know, let's havean apostate meeting.
You know, let's do this.
That
SPEAKER_01 (24:42):
was key.
So
SPEAKER_00 (24:43):
thank you, brothers.
SPEAKER_01 (24:44):
You're about to make them cry.
So that word, apostate, how doesit make you feel?
Some of us, we don't like howthey define it because we're
nothing like they define.
SPEAKER_00 (25:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (25:02):
How does that make you feel?
SPEAKER_00 (25:04):
Oh, to be called what?
An apostate?
SPEAKER_01 (25:06):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
Well, being called demonized smurf girl is worse.
Yeah.
Guilty as charged.
Guilty.
Guilty.
100% demonized.
That's my thing.
I am a demonized apostate.
I'm demonized smurf girl.
They're right.
They made me.
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They created me.
Not my fault.
They did it.
SPEAKER_01 (25:32):
I remember when I came across your page.
I was afraid.
I was like, ah, but I keptlooking at your post.
I kept looking at your post andyou know, I was like, I followed
you and then the things you wereposting, they were very
interesting.
Yeah.
(25:53):
You tell a lot of history andall that shit.
You know
SPEAKER_00 (25:57):
what I
SPEAKER_01 (25:58):
mean?
Yeah.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:04):
Yeah, well, you know, after a while, it's like,
you know, after doing it for solong, I established myself, you
know, where it's like, when thisis all you got to do is Google
XJW Smurf Girl, Demonize Smurf,Vanessa Lee Hansen.
um you know rose bundy you knowxjw smurf girls on all those
things you can google me in manydifferent ways and my picture
(26:27):
will show up in several googlesearches you know of all kinds
of any kind of smurf and girlyou know you can just you know
go find it
SPEAKER_01 (26:40):
when i was a boy i will never forget when i was a
boy and uh living in chicago inthe circuit assembly and they
had There was a talk on there,and they were talking about
Smurfs and why we shouldn't havethem.
Oh, yeah?
Scared the shit out of me.
SPEAKER_00 (27:00):
Sorry.
I've got them here.
You want to meet them?
You want to meet Chucky?
No, I'm good.
You're good?
You chicken.
Chicken shit, man.
You're still a chicken shitJ-Dub.
I'm
SPEAKER_01 (27:14):
sorry.
I always told people I don'tmess with two Ds, and that's
drugs and demons.
I don't do it, man.
You as far as
SPEAKER_00 (27:27):
I'll go.
You don't want to see him.
Chucky, be quiet.
He's running around in theapartment.
no he's right behind you oh my
SPEAKER_01 (27:49):
god whatever
SPEAKER_00 (27:50):
he's
SPEAKER_01 (27:51):
right behind you whatever anyway moving right
along you're scared moving rightalong
SPEAKER_00 (28:01):
yeah sorry
SPEAKER_01 (28:05):
it's
SPEAKER_00 (28:07):
just the perfect example though of how witnesses
can get so scared you're evenstill scared it's been nine
months you've been awake ninemonths stop being
SPEAKER_01 (28:23):
scared you don't know what they said to us about
that
SPEAKER_00 (28:27):
oh no i know because i'm one of the ones that said it
SPEAKER_01 (28:35):
mess with all that stuff
SPEAKER_00 (28:37):
okay you don't want to do ouija right now
SPEAKER_01 (28:42):
okay anyway moving right along
SPEAKER_00 (28:48):
i know the last oh see you woke up when i started
like just letting it rip I wasnever like this before.
I was real tame and I was realsweet and like I was playing
nice for the longest time Iplayed nice.
I don't play nice anymore.
I'm a different person.
SPEAKER_01 (29:07):
You don't.
I can't even imagine you beingall nice and sweet.
SPEAKER_00 (29:11):
oh yeah i was like hey it's me smurf girl how's it
going you know and then i dovideos of showing watchtowers
and doing and explaining anddoctrine that's then i'd go to
the cart and i'd be like youknow i'd ask him about 1914 and
607 I started real small, likereal small.
(29:36):
Well, I'd secretly record mystepdad and post him on the
internet.
SPEAKER_01 (29:41):
Oh, my goodness.
That's weird that you startedout nice.
SPEAKER_00 (29:46):
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (29:47):
I didn't mean it to sound like that.
I didn't mean to sound likethat.
But you're still a nice person.
Let me get that out there.
SPEAKER_00 (29:55):
Yeah, I started out real nice.
And then, well, once Uncle Brentsnapped...
Once Uncle Brent snapped, I waslike, okay, I'm not going to be
nice anymore.
You know, like, nice.
Where it's like, I can't...
For one, I can't be nice whereit's like...
The whole time when I'm like,you know, my uncle is kind of a
(30:18):
nut job and my abuse, blah,blah, blah.
And they're like, where's yoursecond witness?
Where's your second witness?
And I'm like, oh, I need asecond.
Demonize Smart Girl needs asecond witness.
Oh, there'll be secondwitnesses.
All right.
And so now there's way more thansecond witnesses.
(30:38):
You know, the whole Internet sawit.
And, you know, everybody in thecommunity was like in shock, you
know, and it's like, yeah, helost his mind.
He chopped my Aunt Jessica 144times with a machete being nine
months pregnant.
Like, as I'm a YouTuber, youknow, as I'm going on six
(31:00):
screens and talking about thefamily anonymously, then I'm
like, oh, God, everybody, guesswhat?
My abuser just went crazy.
You know, and I've gone on theSilent No More program.
And I remember sitting on theprogram thinking, I can't even
(31:21):
talk about this because I knowthat if he sees me on this
program on TV, because I did theSilent No More before Uncle
Brent snapped.
SPEAKER_01 (31:32):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
Like a couple years before, like 2019 or so.
SPEAKER_01 (31:36):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00 (31:37):
And thinking...
he's gonna freak out when hesees this so i just sat there
and i didn't say anything butjust having my face on there
made two of my abusers unclebrandon and uncle clyde go nuts
SPEAKER_01 (31:55):
how did that because you you touched on it and i
always ask my guests like thatto to witness rule crap how did
that make you feel like itinfuriates me
SPEAKER_00 (32:08):
well what's really awful is that you'll go to an
elder like i would go to anelder that i know knew what i
was talking about like theelders are the second witnesses
SPEAKER_01 (32:24):
yeah
SPEAKER_00 (32:25):
You know, you go and say, hey, brother, you know,
when I was abused, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah.
And they're a witness to it.
And then they will ask you foranother witness.
And it's like, but brother, yousaw and you know, you got the
judicial file.
You are one of my witnesses.
I'm coming to you saying you aremy second witness.
(32:47):
I got a, you're a witness andthis guy did it.
And now I've got to bringsomebody else.
The elders are the secondwitnesses.
And they're just too stupid,evil, you know, just awful that
they can't even see that.
And it's like, for me, it'slike, oh, you want, and when
they said that, that's anotherreason why I went online.
(33:11):
Because I was like, I Googled,you know, demonized Smurf girl.
And lo and behold, all these,you know, hundreds of people
making videos about it, talkingabout me.
So I'm like, hey, there's mybunches of second witnesses.
Look at all these people thatheard about my abuse.
(33:32):
And, you know, I went fromthere.
Well, I went from there toestablish myself as Demonized
Smurf Girl.
Like, oh, no.
Not only am I going to tell youI'm Demonized Smurf Girl, I'm
going to show you.
And I'm going to show youexactly where, you know, it's
going to be.
(33:53):
What's happened recently withUncle Brent snapping and
everything is exactly whathappened in 1982 to cause it in
the first place.
Like, this is just like, youknow, Demonized Smurf Act 2.
You know, like part two, like asequel.
It's like, okay, we'll do asequel if that's what you want,
you know.
UNKNOWN (34:14):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (34:16):
Yeah.
So nothing ever happened to themthrough the congregation?
The ones you were accusing ofabuse, nothing happened to them
through the congregation?
SPEAKER_00 (34:26):
oh no no no not at all in fact they've re-offended
several times and then um slowlyone by one after re-offending
sometimes they would getarrested by re-offending worldly
kids Like with my uncle MorrisHanson, he reoffended three
(34:46):
worldly kids.
And so I was able to catch himin 2012 through that, like 2000,
I think maybe 2010 or 2012 iswhen I caught him and others.
And there were other people likejust the people connected to the
demonized Smurf incident.
They were dying.
(35:06):
They were being murdered one byone going missing.
You know, this guy John La Pumawent missing, this, you know,
boating accident, this thing,that thing.
My second witnesses started todisappear in weird ways.
And I'm like, huh, you know,that's interesting.
Like somebody that I would go,like when I had said, you know,
(35:31):
I was abused.
And when the brother said,where's your second witness?
And then I went to go get them.
And as I go to them, when I'mtrying to find John LaPuma, like
brother John LaPuma, and as I'mtrying to find brother LaPuma,
then I find out that his body ismissing at sea.
Or I went to Randy Howard, andall of these various second
(35:57):
witnesses that I went to startto die in weird ways.
And I was like, well, this isquite serious, you know, like
that, you know, I was trying toget a hold of all my second
witnesses.
And when I would start to get ahold of my second witnesses to
(36:19):
do like a lawsuit, things wereending up happening to those
second witnesses.
And so to the rest of my secondwitnesses, which means everybody
in Breckenridge, Minnesota,Ortonville, Minnesota, and all
of Tucson, Arizona, and anywhereelse that knows about this, you
know, that stay on the lookoutand keep on the watch because
(36:43):
anybody that, you know, I've gota huge long list of second
witnesses that bad things haveended up happening to them when
I, you know, start to talk aboutit.
SPEAKER_01 (36:57):
That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (36:58):
Yeah.
And for me, it's like to anywitnesses in Breckenridge, hey,
I don't care.
You're the ones that haven'tgone to the cops.
UNKNOWN (37:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:06):
And, you know, to anybody else in the family, if
you want to stay quiet, you sawwhat happened with uncle Brent,
uncle Clyde and aunt Jessica,you know, you saw what happened
with uncle Morris, you know, ifthat's what, if that's the road
they want to take, so be it.
And it's harsh, but it's like,that's their choice.
(37:27):
You know, that's their choice.
They want to stay silent, butthat's what happens when people
stay silent about that stuff.
other other guilty individualsget real desperate and then they
start to do things to peoplethat they know are witnesses to
what they did you know what i'msaying
SPEAKER_01 (37:47):
yeah so i imagine all that just left a horrible
horrible taste in your mouth andyou just started advocating
SPEAKER_00 (37:57):
yeah i started to record it i was like i can't
believe that all these horriblethings are happening to people.
Like when I heard about JohnLaPuma, a second witness, and
then I heard about, you know, orI experienced, I didn't just
hear about it, but experiencedit.
And then all, you know, MalcolmMorris Hanson, my mom, all the,
(38:20):
too many people were dying.
And I'm like, I need to start torecord it.
This YouTube thing looks good.
I'm gonna start to record it.
I'm gonna start recordingeverybody.
And maybe when one of thesethings starts to happen, like in
Uncle Brent again, I will get iton tape, of which then I did.
(38:42):
Because I knew this is what'sgoing on, you know?
And it's sad.
It's real sad to be, like,knowing that, like, when I look
back at it, I'm thinking, justin case Uncle Brent snaps, I'm
going to have my camera rolling.
And I'm going to be putting iton YouTube because I know that's
what he's going to end up doingbecause that's what he said he
(39:04):
was going to do it.
Like I even went to Aunt Jessicaand said, this is what he's
going to do, you New YorkJehovah's Witness.
Get out of there.
And then, you know, she's like,where's your second witness that
he said that?
And it's like, oh, he says he'sgoing to take a machete.
SPEAKER_01 (39:25):
Them and those are that damn second witness rule.
And so speaking about thefuture, what do you want to
accomplish?
Where are you going?
Where are you headed?
SPEAKER_00 (39:41):
I feel like I accomplished other than bringing
them financially to their knees,of which I know that I already
have, doing it farther and just
SPEAKER_01 (39:56):
And when you say them, who are you referring to?
SPEAKER_00 (39:59):
Oh, Watchtower.
Like, just the amount ofdemonized toys and items that
witnesses have thrown out overthe past, since 1982.
You know, 43 years ofdemonizing.
How many things did you throwout in your lifetime, in a
dollar amount, for your lifetimeof 50 years in the organization?
SPEAKER_01 (40:21):
Oh, man.
I don't know.
It's like...
I steered away from everything.
I didn't go to yard sales.
Why are you laughing?
This is serious shit.
This is war.
No, I
SPEAKER_00 (40:37):
didn't go.
It's a demon war.
SPEAKER_01 (40:39):
Yeah, for real.
I know.
I didn't go to yard sales.
I've heard too many stories.
SPEAKER_00 (40:49):
Just a minute.
SPEAKER_01 (40:54):
No,
SPEAKER_00 (40:58):
but like, I mean, it's getting into hundreds of
billions of dollars thatwitnesses have been have been
cost just by one little stupidthing.
One little stupid thing.
One little stupid stuff smurfcost hundreds of billions of
(41:20):
dollars
SPEAKER_01 (41:21):
it's so scary looking
SPEAKER_00 (41:24):
you know and it's like
SPEAKER_01 (41:27):
we were making graphics on it You were trying
to design them for the websiteand the upcoming show, which
we'll mention later.
And I was laughing because onone of them you put, and you
posted it too, it said PapaSmurf.
I was like, seriously.
SPEAKER_00 (41:43):
I'm a Smurf bitch?
SPEAKER_01 (41:45):
Yeah, oh no, when you call me Papa Smurf, I'm
SPEAKER_00 (41:48):
like, why?
Papa Mitch.
Papa Mitch.
That's what it was.
You
SPEAKER_01 (41:54):
reminded me.
See how scarred I am?
SPEAKER_00 (41:58):
I know.
It's called trauma memory loss,actually.
SPEAKER_01 (42:05):
The trauma is real with me about smirks.
SPEAKER_00 (42:10):
Boo.
I swear to God.
I swear to God.
What am I going to do?
You want to meet me in person?
Are you going to be too scared?
UNKNOWN (42:25):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (42:26):
Am I going to what?
SPEAKER_00 (42:27):
Are you going to be too scared to meet me in person?
SPEAKER_01 (42:30):
No.
Can I bring my dolls with you?
SPEAKER_00 (42:32):
Yeah, I'm going to bring Chucky.
Come on.
He wants to meet
SPEAKER_01 (42:38):
you.
He wants
SPEAKER_00 (42:38):
to meet
SPEAKER_01 (42:39):
you.
UNKNOWN (42:40):
Stop.
SPEAKER_00 (42:42):
He loves you.
It was his idea of Papa Mitch.
SPEAKER_01 (42:46):
It'll be a Zoom meeting if you bring the dolls.
SPEAKER_00 (42:51):
Yeah.
Never mind.
oh wait here he is no i'm justkidding i
SPEAKER_01 (43:01):
shouldn't have even told you i was scared
SPEAKER_00 (43:11):
no you're just this typical elder no i don't want it
be like brothers i want to talkabout the demonized smurf can i
talk about it no no that's okaythat's okay i'm good i'm good
it's like well open your goddamnwallet because i'm gonna you
know i'm gonna do it again i'mgonna do it again You know, I'll
put my dad Ted Bundy in it andthen he'll be like, I possessed
(43:34):
him and I'm going to, you know.
Just a little smurf hand.
Hi.
SPEAKER_01 (43:41):
Anyway, moving on.
SPEAKER_00 (43:50):
Mitch is scared.
SPEAKER_01 (43:52):
Moving right along.
So he said you want to bring methe watchtower.
Monetary harm.
SPEAKER_00 (43:59):
That's
SPEAKER_01 (44:00):
what we were.
Yeah.
What do you think about thegoverning body?
SPEAKER_00 (44:06):
Well, you know, I'm madly in love with Mark
Sanderson, Mitch.
SPEAKER_01 (44:11):
I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_00 (44:12):
I know, it's awful.
yeah he just he's a man he's ademonized man over after my own
heart like he's so demonized manhe's so mark sanderson is so
bearded papa smurf demonizedthat can't help it i've never
seen somebody so demonized
SPEAKER_01 (44:29):
why do you say that why do you think
SPEAKER_00 (44:31):
because he's demonized look at him Just look
at him.
He's so deep.
He's all stiff.
He's all stiff, and he's like,I'm Mark Sanders, so I'm stiff
and demonized.
No, he's so, and then him sodemonized, he's sexy.
He's demon sexy.
UNKNOWN (44:49):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (44:51):
Wow.
I've heard that all the time.
Oh, what I think?
No, in reality, I love it howdemonized they are, because they
are very demonized.
They're extremely
SPEAKER_01 (45:00):
demonized.
Seriously, I've been hearing it.
SPEAKER_00 (45:03):
What?
SPEAKER_01 (45:04):
I said, seriously, I've been hearing that.
SPEAKER_00 (45:07):
Oh, yeah.
Well, the way that they act,they act extremely Chucky.
Like, you know, like if a human,that's kind of why I act the way
that I act.
I'm acting all, okay, like,let's say, you know, I act all
demonized anyway.
Like, you know, gosh, okay.
(45:28):
If I start acting all StephenLett, let's act all Stephen Lett
for a minute.
Like, oh, brothers and sisters,you know?
We would never.
I'm a demonized monkey clown,you know?
I'm so demonized.
I'm demonized Steven Leitch, youknow?
(45:49):
I couldn't even act as demonizedas he does.
Who does that?
SPEAKER_01 (45:54):
Yeah, he has some expressions.
What do you think
SPEAKER_00 (45:58):
about that?
Well, they're my guys.
You know, I love how demonizedthey are.
I love how stiff and awkward Iam, too.
You know?
It's like, I can do weird faces,too.
You know?
We would never, never hide pedoslike Uncle Brent.
(46:19):
Like, we would, you
SPEAKER_01 (46:21):
know?
SPEAKER_00 (46:22):
Yeah, yeah.
Who says that?
You know what I mean?
Who says that?
SPEAKER_01 (46:26):
And they know good and well they are.
SPEAKER_00 (46:28):
Oh, yeah.
Well, you know, I proved it.
You know, talking about UncleBrent, you know, and talking
about Uncle Clyde proved itright on air, right on YouTube.
There's no refuting where it'slike, no, I was talking about my
two uncles, that there wasnothing but trouble, and got the
brother saying, well, where'syour second witness about Uncle
(46:49):
Brent?
I got it on tape of saying UncleBrent and Uncle Clyde.
And Rob Wilcock, Elder RobWilcock saying, where's your
second witness?
And I'm like, oh, I'll show youa second witness.
Because I shouldn't have to hidemy face and not say my name and
(47:10):
for fear that someone is goingto lose their cool and kill a
bunch of people with a baseballbat and a machete.
I shouldn't have to be worriedabout that.
And knowing that the veryindividual that I was trying to
save was Aunt Jessica and, ofcourse, myself, and that she
(47:31):
wouldn't listen.
It's like a Jehovah's Witnesshorror movie where I'm like, get
out of there, Aunt Jessica, getout of there, run, you know?
SPEAKER_01 (47:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (47:44):
And she wouldn't.
Like, she wouldn't.
And it's happened so many times.
We're all, imagine me callingher up and saying, hey, it's
demonized Smurf girl.
Yeah, you're my new aunt.
You know, you just married intothe most demonized family on the
(48:05):
face of the planet.
You know, I would not unpack,you know, just go back home.
And then her saying, you know,oh, she's a mentally diseased
apostate.
She literally said that.
SPEAKER_01 (48:19):
Yeah, I believe it, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (48:22):
Now,
SPEAKER_01 (48:23):
how do you, the voice, so many voices now in the
ex-Jehovah's Witness community,like, how does that make you
feel?
Do you think we're doing a goodenough job?
SPEAKER_00 (48:34):
Oh, yeah.
I feel at this point, like, ofthe movement that we've been a
part of, that, like, There's noteven anything that I really even
need to do or say anymorebecause all the rest of you are
doing such a good job that I canjust sit back and get closure
(48:58):
and vent and just do what I dobecause everybody else does such
a good job.
Like you do a great job.
Everybody else does a great job.
And it's like my work is doneand I can actually get closure
in front of a bunch of people.
You know, where it's like, no,you guys are great.
You know, my work's done.
(49:20):
I started, you know, way back ofanybody that's been doing it.
And a lot of other people havegotten closer to where it's like
the, you know, the old group,the Vast Apostate Army.
Once Beards and Pants and UncleBrent and Uncle Tony, it's like,
well, what else?
For us, what else is there forme to do?
(49:42):
Like, there
SPEAKER_01 (49:44):
isn't.
Did that surprise you, like, thebeards and the pants?
SPEAKER_00 (49:48):
No, because that was a part of what happened with me.
Like, Uncle Tony, with UncleTony Morris.
I mean, it was, like, I knewahead of time he was being taken
off the body.
because it got voted on at theannual meeting and then it got
it which is like what Septemberand then they said they were
(50:10):
going to announce it by the endof January of the of that after
the you know the turn of theyear so I knew because Uncle
Brent's plea bargain was rightduring the annual meeting of of
like September 22 and thenJanuary of 23 Uncle Tony got
taken off and I was told aheadof time family called me and
(50:32):
said they're removing thembecause they felt he was the
main one responsible and I'mlike yeah you're right.
Was
SPEAKER_01 (50:40):
he
SPEAKER_00 (50:41):
hurt?
Was Uncle Tony hurt?
SPEAKER_01 (50:49):
That they wanted to remove him?
SPEAKER_00 (50:51):
Oh, his ego is so bad, of course.
He was, I'm sure, just alunatic.
I heard he flipped out.
SPEAKER_01 (50:59):
I can imagine,
SPEAKER_00 (51:02):
yeah.
Yeah, nobody's heard from him.
I'm not sure.
But, yeah.
You know, because even we gothim on tape, like, of the Army.
We got them on tape at theliquor store.
Like all those things, you know,a bottle gate, you know, because
(51:23):
Uncle Clyde and Uncle Clyde, notJessica, were pillow gate, like
pillow gate.
Did you hear about the pillowgate scandal?
SPEAKER_01 (51:32):
I saw it.
I don't know what it is.
SPEAKER_00 (51:34):
Oh, it's Uncle Clyde, not Jessica.
And
SPEAKER_01 (51:39):
what is it?
SPEAKER_00 (51:41):
You'll have to go and look it up on Lloyd Evans,
and it was a scandal.
It was the scandal of UncleClyde, not Jessica, getting
married.
They called Pillowgate.
SPEAKER_01 (51:51):
Just saw that like two days ago.
SPEAKER_00 (51:54):
Oh, man, you're so, yeah, you're like still wet
behind the ears from yourbaptism.
I'm
SPEAKER_01 (52:02):
an innocent babe.
That's why you were trying toscare me earlier.
I
SPEAKER_00 (52:06):
know.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
You're probably thinking, yeah,this is what it looks like when
you finally relax and yourealize the fight of the
apostasy of your fight is overand that you can say whatever
you feel like and you don't givea crap what anyone else thinks.
(52:27):
Yeah.
you've already proved when youprove your point okay when you
went as an apostate when youprove your point to everyone
involved this is what it lookslike because I'm like a
different person like oh no Iproved my point a while ago you
know nice like once you have toattend a few you know a couple
(52:51):
of funerals you know then it'slike told you so
SPEAKER_01 (52:55):
I'm happy that you're in that place now.
You seem very relaxed and free.
SPEAKER_00 (53:02):
Oh, I know.
It's just a big sigh of relief.
I don't even know.
SPEAKER_01 (53:09):
What do you think about Samuel Heard?
SPEAKER_00 (53:14):
Nobody's really seen him.
SPEAKER_01 (53:17):
What do
SPEAKER_00 (53:18):
you mean?
The last video I saw was when hegrew a beard.
SPEAKER_01 (53:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (53:25):
Is that the last video of that one update?
I
SPEAKER_01 (53:30):
don't watch them.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (53:31):
Because he's in my baptism photos.
SPEAKER_01 (53:34):
You sent me that.
I saw that.
I was like, wow.
SPEAKER_00 (53:38):
So I don't know what happened.
I heard he ran out of Warwicklike a demonized smurf.
And that's why he hasn't been onthe broadcast in a while.
And they just don't want to say.
Why would he run out?
maybe you know what
SPEAKER_01 (53:59):
why won't you run out
SPEAKER_00 (54:02):
because of my baptism photos i i right after
that he was gone he grew a beardum i had done i put my baptism
photos with him in it becausehe's down he was down here in
tucson he was a circuit overseerand a district overseer um here
in tucson
SPEAKER_01 (54:19):
okay
SPEAKER_00 (54:20):
like i know the you know him and gloria his last
name is gloria Like the lasttime I saw Gloria Heard, she was
like, here's our phone number.
We're going to Bethel, you know,and him getting put on the
governing body.
And then she gave me her phonenumber.
She goes, if you ever needanything, here's our phone
number and you know where tocall.
(54:41):
And I thought that was realnice.
That was like years ago, youknow, like maybe 1999 or
something.
And It's like, well, Gloria, Iguess when you said, you know,
you didn't really mean it.
You know, thanks a lot.
(55:04):
Proving my point, you know,because I called and called and
called and recorded it.
You know.
SPEAKER_01 (55:10):
Maybe I'm thinking about something else.
I thought he was on, like, oneof those recordings for the
videos for a convention.
SPEAKER_00 (55:18):
Oh, that's right.
I forgot about that.
I recorded that, too.
Did he still have his beard?
I think he did.
SPEAKER_01 (55:25):
Yeah, because I was like, he can't be gone.
That was the only, that was likethe black hole.
I
SPEAKER_00 (55:31):
know.
The token.
Is that mean?
No, that's not mean.
SPEAKER_01 (55:39):
That's what we called him.
He represented us.
He can't be gone.
SPEAKER_00 (55:45):
He's the token herd.
Everybody's a token herd.
SPEAKER_01 (55:49):
For real.
SPEAKER_00 (55:49):
Everybody needs a token herd.
no i loved him i love to pick onhim he's such a grouch he's a
little oscar the grouch you knowjust go in your trash can sam
shut up and put the lid down youknow that's what it was just i'm
done cbc rbc done you know no iknow him quite well i know him
(56:17):
quite well
SPEAKER_01 (56:19):
so like i was telling everyone earlier like
there's so much information thatyou have that i want to pick
your brain about that we're justgoing to make this a regular
segment and i'm going to likeyou and i talked about yesterday
we'll just dive into aparticular subject or two each
(56:41):
episode and and we'll do it likethat because you know we can't
we were joking earlier but wedon't want to overload their
brains with info
SPEAKER_00 (56:51):
yeah oops too late
SPEAKER_01 (56:55):
because like you've just been blowing my mind these
last two or three days justtelling me everything
SPEAKER_00 (57:01):
yeah well we've been flying airplane banners and
growing beards and kicking uncletony in the butt you know and
there's lots is happy you missedit mitch you missed it we can do
some more if you want but ithink you're too scared
SPEAKER_01 (57:19):
I'm not scared.
I'm never scared, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (57:22):
All right.
SPEAKER_01 (57:23):
I'm Chicago.
I
SPEAKER_00 (57:25):
just don't mess with Smurfs.
SPEAKER_01 (57:26):
I just don't mess with Smurfs.
SPEAKER_00 (57:28):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (57:30):
You're the only one.
SPEAKER_00 (57:32):
Sorry.
It's the end of the show.
You're the only
SPEAKER_01 (57:36):
Smurf.
But yeah, so we are going tostart just a podcast show.
myself and smurf girl and justlike dive into different topics
and i think it'll be fun i thinkit'll be interesting she has a
(57:58):
lot to say i'm
SPEAKER_00 (58:01):
sorry i did all the
SPEAKER_01 (58:02):
time that's what we're here for i'm just saying
you have a lot to say this isunscripted so she even threw
things at me that i wasn'texpecting like the chucky
SPEAKER_00 (58:18):
I'm in it.
Pull them out.
SPEAKER_01 (58:22):
No, no, no.
I'm trying to keep my streetcreds up.
SPEAKER_00 (58:31):
Yeah, I know.
You'll have a crucifix.
You'll be like, I don't know.
Oh
SPEAKER_01 (58:40):
my goodness.
So yes, I will be filling y'allin on when we'll do Our next
episodes, I started the websitetoday.
Go check that out.
The xjwnetwork.org.
So check that out.
I'm just going to be updating alot on there, on the website.
(59:03):
I'll have my regular podcast.
I'll have Smurf Girl and myselfshow.
And also there's a group onthere, private group.
And it's like a forum that wecan just discuss things as a
group.
We don't have to worry about thewitnesses because it's a private
group.
So yeah, lots of big thingscoming up.
(59:26):
But I appreciate you taking timefor the first of many episodes.
SPEAKER_00 (59:33):
Sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (59:35):
No, I apologize.
Nothing to be sorry about.
Do you want to tell people howto see you and your content?
SPEAKER_00 (59:42):
um just xjw smurf girl rose bundy you can google
it i'm on i've got threefacebooks um you know yeah a
group oh i got you know but igot smurf tower i'm smurf tower
i'm the editor and faithfulslave of smurf tower
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:03):
faithful slave wow
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:05):
the faithful and discreet smurf class
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:07):
come on wow wow wow
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:10):
And Bundy Tower and, you know, Twitter and stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:14):
Yeah, Instagram.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:16):
Yeah, I got TikTok yesterday.
Again, my third
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:20):
one.
I thought I was being, I thoughtit was like a fake at first.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:26):
No, it's me.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:26):
Yeah, I realized, soon I realized it was you.
I was like,
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:31):
oh, okay.
There have been a couple of,there's a couple of fake
Twitters, but I'm the verifiedone.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:37):
Okay.
That's the one I follow.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:39):
Yeah, the one with the blue check.
Oh, it's a blue checkmark, youknow, a little smurf check.
That's me.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:46):
I
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:48):
hate me freaked out the demonized one with the blue
checkmark.
I hope I didn't act too weird.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:01):
You acted fine.
This was fun.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:04):
It
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:04):
was fun, it was informative, and yeah, we're
going to do it.
Have a lot more episodes.
Thank you.
It's going to be a regular thingthat we do.
I hope you all enjoy it.
There's going to be a lot comingup.
Thank you for tuning in,listening, however you listen to
me.
(01:01:25):
Take care and go and do greatthings.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:28):
Bye.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (00:34):
me sorry welcome to another episode of the ex
Jehovah's Witness I am Mitch Ihope you are doing well I'm very
excited for today I have a veryspecial guest and and I followed
(00:55):
her on social media and we'vejust became good friends and
This is Rose Bundy, aka SmurfGirl.
SPEAKER_00 (01:06):
Hey.
Some people know me as VanessaLee Hansen, but you know.
SPEAKER_01 (01:13):
How are you today?
SPEAKER_00 (01:14):
I'm good.
How are you, Mitch?
SPEAKER_01 (01:17):
I'm doing well.
I really appreciate you beingon.
We were talking, and I was like,last night, and I was like, you
know what?
We're just going to have to domultiple segments.
because there is so muchinformation that I'm getting
from you.
So we finally nailed what we'lltalk about on this first
(01:38):
episode, which is basicallylike, because I'm new to this,
basically.
I stopped going in December of2024, and I became aware of the
online Ex-Jehovah's Witnessworld like late May, early June.
I was talking with you.
And you were shedding light onjust the movement and how it
(02:03):
started and before we starteddoing video and Zoom and so
forth.
First of all, though, when didyou get baptized as a Jehovah's
Witness?
SPEAKER_00 (02:16):
Well, I got baptized twice because the first time I
got baptized, it was rightafter...
The demonized Smurf incident in1982, I was 10.
But then they were like, oh,that was too young and it was
too stupid.
So then they made me do it asecond time because it was, it
was really stupid.
(02:37):
Like they thought it was goingto make me undemonized by
baptizing me real quick.
And so once a 10 and another at13.
SPEAKER_01 (02:48):
You were undemonized in three years.
SPEAKER_00 (02:52):
yeah i got re-demonized then i had to do it
again baptized me a third timeso yeah it was real stupid but
yeah
SPEAKER_01 (03:05):
wow i say that a lot when we talk just like wow i'm
just surprised now
SPEAKER_00 (03:13):
Only in the Jehovah's Witnesses.
We used to say that all thetime.
Only in the Jehovah's Witnessesis there anything that stupid.
Like when I try and explain itto a normal person, like a
normie, they don't get it.
They're like, what?
Yeah.
You know.
SPEAKER_01 (03:30):
Sometimes you'll answer me and I just kind of
stare at my phone for a while,like trying to make sense of it.
SPEAKER_00 (03:37):
Yeah, the witnesses is messed up.
It's like, you've got no clue.
And then they think I'm crazy.
I'm like, no, it's not me.
It's them.
I'm just explaining.
I'm not crazy.
I'm explaining them.
You know, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (03:53):
So now you all see why I said it would have to take
multiple segments.
SPEAKER_00 (03:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:00):
To just dive into everything that she wants to
say.
So, okay.
So you say early 80s?
SPEAKER_00 (04:08):
yeah 82 and then whatever 85 okay yeah like
something yeah 10 oh at 10 yeah10 like in 82 and then again at
85.
okay i don't even remember orcare but
SPEAKER_01 (04:26):
and so then when did you stop
SPEAKER_00 (04:30):
um i was ne i never was a real true believer You
know, I was never allowed to.
My behavior, being calleddemonized smurf girl since I
was, you know, 10 years old, itwas impossible for me to fit in.
And so I would just be a secretapostate all the time.
SPEAKER_01 (04:49):
Ah, got you.
SPEAKER_00 (04:50):
Okay.
And then I'd leave and comeback.
I was afraid of being shunned.
Mm-hmm.
UNKNOWN (04:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (04:58):
You know, I was just always afraid of being shunned,
and so I would be forced to comeback, and then I would have to
re-prove to my mom and stepdad,Arden Hansen.
I would always, you know, I'd belike, fine, you know, you won't
let mom talk to me.
I'll prove to you that I won'tfit in.
Like, do you think I'd fit in atthe Kingdom Hall?
Like, you know, I can't.
(05:22):
Like, I'd go walking in, youknow, hey, brothers.
You know, I'd give them a talkon the stage.
Please.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (05:30):
Or
SPEAKER_00 (05:31):
even them saying, oh, I've raised my hand, and
they'd be like, Sister Bundy?
Sister Bundy, would you like tocome in?
Oh, yeah, you know?
Jehovah's going to destroypeople for Armageddon, you know
that, you know?
He's going to peck out your eyeswith a bird, you know?
(05:52):
Like, you know, burnt hot dogs,just like Uncle Tony.
We
SPEAKER_01 (05:57):
used...
some mean stuff and so what whendid you become a vocal apostate
like just left and and you knowyou spoke against it when was
that
SPEAKER_00 (06:10):
uh well the first time was when i was 10 and then
they got me they get me undercontrol you know
SPEAKER_01 (06:17):
and
SPEAKER_00 (06:18):
then uh um i then at 16 i got married and so then i
got out for a little bit gotdivorced at 19, had to go back
again, because I moved in withmom and me and my stepdad again.
And then had to go back, thengot married again, back and
(06:38):
forth, back and forth.
And
SPEAKER_01 (06:41):
I
SPEAKER_00 (06:44):
would always be then pulling a stunt, always.
I'm like a stunt maker, pullingsome kind of stunt.
And I would come back just longenough so that I could pull a
stunt or try and get my friendsout, like seeing somebody or
(07:04):
going to the memorial, going tothe assembly, then trying to
make them worldly.
Did
SPEAKER_01 (07:11):
you ever get anyone to listen to you and leave?
SPEAKER_00 (07:13):
Yeah.
Oh yeah, I got a lot of peopleto leave.
There's a lot.
i'm getting notifications by theway is that messing with my
video no
SPEAKER_01 (07:23):
no you did it
SPEAKER_00 (07:24):
okay
SPEAKER_01 (07:25):
so when did you because you were just telling me
about uh you know how you allwould communicate and everything
so how were you meeting otherex-jehovah's witnesses before
all this digital age
SPEAKER_00 (07:41):
um i would sneak outside the assembly and talk to
the apostates you know and andoh and well and my stepdad would
work the help desk at theassembly so we would be up by
the escalator where the helpdesk is and i would sneak and
i'd say i'm just gonna go for awalk my back hurts you know and
then i go talk to the apostatesthere was this one he's he's an
(08:04):
apostate online He wore thisstraw hat all the time and was
like the original apostate inTucson.
And I would go and sneak out andsay hi to him.
And sometimes I'd go across thepicket line and I'd be like,
yeah, you're all stupid.
And then my stepdad would comeout of the help desk.
(08:25):
He'd be like, what are youdoing?
I'm like, I'm just having somefun.
Because they couldn't kick meout because, you know, dad...
was doing it you know dad was atthe help desk and it was like it
was a precarious situation it'slike what i'm demonized what are
you gonna say what are you gonnado they were in that whole 80s
(08:46):
of my whole teenage years therewasn't anything they could do so
then it became an urban legendbecause i was just a stunt maker
and
SPEAKER_01 (08:57):
when did you so why did you just say i'm done with
it all and like just stop goingand pretending.
When did you stop pretending?
SPEAKER_00 (09:06):
When my mom died.
She died in 2014.
And I was like, I wasn't told, Iwas told a bunch of lies of why
she died.
SPEAKER_01 (09:18):
And
SPEAKER_00 (09:19):
I wasn't allowed to say goodbye.
And so I'm like, I think mystepdad did something.
He did something regardless.
He should not have done that tome.
You don't do that to me.
And so I'm like, okay, all betsare off.
(09:40):
Mom's gone.
You're my stepdad.
My real dad's gone.
Nothing's holding me in orholding me back anymore.
You don't do that to me.
You don't do that to mom.
And I'm done.
And so I was like, I am going toget uncle Tony Morris and
(10:00):
everybody kicked off thegoverning body no matter what.
Like I was just done.
And also I looked online cause Iwanted to, I was looking online
about some stuff.
Cause I started to talk to himagain and accidentally came
(10:23):
across a bunch of apostatestuff.
okay um things that i hadn'tseen in a long time i'm trying
to think of what the first thingis that i saw more than likely
it was russell's pyramid
SPEAKER_01 (10:42):
and
SPEAKER_00 (10:45):
then i was like he gave me my all he gave me was my
mom's bible her jehovah'switness
SPEAKER_01 (10:52):
bible
SPEAKER_00 (10:54):
And I'm like, oh, and that made me mad.
You're going to give me a stupidwith all the little notes in the
margins, the big one?
Yeah, yeah.
I'm like, this is what I get?
Well, I'm going to use thissucker with all of mom's notes
in it with, you know, watchtowerthis and all her notes.
(11:14):
I'm like, I'm going to use thisBible against them, and I did.
So they
SPEAKER_01 (11:19):
didn't tell you because you were shunned?
So they didn't tell you aboutyour mom passing?
Yeah.
Oh, man, that's rough.
SPEAKER_00 (11:28):
Yeah.
Well, and it was personal.
Like, it was straight uppersonal.
Because mom was turningapostate.
I already had left.
But things happened.
My uncle Morris Hanson went toprison in 2012.
And that was because of me andother things.
(11:50):
He re-offended me.
And so him going to prison andgetting life, and then mom
started to wake up, and hedidn't want me talking to her.
And so– and she kept– well, shekept calling and saying, I only
have a second to talk to you.
(12:11):
I need you to look atjwfacts.com.
SPEAKER_01 (12:16):
And
SPEAKER_00 (12:16):
I'm like– what is that but it was real short it
was from 2012 to 2014 and thenall of a sudden she was dead and
i was like what happened oh andthen i was like well what is
this jw fax she was talkingabout i thought it was fax like
a fax you know oh yeah and theni saw what it was and i'm like
(12:38):
god some jehovah's witness youknow like i don't know like what
is this you know, JW facts.
I don't, there's no facts aboutJWs.
And then I'm like, oh, it'sapostate.
Like it dawned on me, mom'slooking at apostate stuff and
that she was like some kind ofa, like a secret apostate, like
(13:02):
a deep throat.
And I was like, my mom was adeep throat.
So I'm like, I want to be a deepthroat.
I'm going to be the deepest
SPEAKER_01 (13:11):
throat.
No, I'm sorry.
i think i think i think we gotthe different meanings of deep
throat explain it what are youwhat are you talking about
SPEAKER_00 (13:26):
no you don't know what deep throat is
SPEAKER_01 (13:28):
i don't think your version
SPEAKER_00 (13:32):
like a spy
SPEAKER_01 (13:34):
oh
SPEAKER_00 (13:35):
you know like
SPEAKER_01 (13:38):
uh So all these years, I could have just been
saying I was fine.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (13:42):
Yeah.
Like an informant.
Like an informant.
Like a secret informant.
SPEAKER_01 (13:48):
All right.
Let's say informant.
SPEAKER_00 (13:50):
Yeah.
And so anyway, yeah.
So I just kind of took overwhere my mom, where I thought my
mom left off.
SPEAKER_01 (14:02):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (14:03):
And then so I saw like six screens of the
watchtower.
All these days I saw Kim andMikey.
I recognized them.
I was like, you know, I knowthose people.
I recognized like GilbertGonzalez, people from Tucson,
from the Tucson Assemblies.
And I was like, oh, wow, there'sa lot of Tucson Assembly people
(14:24):
here.
And so then, you know, joinedforces with them.
Now,
SPEAKER_01 (14:31):
real quick, because I didn't know what it was.
Can you explain what the sixscreens is in case any listeners
don't?
like me didn't know
SPEAKER_00 (14:39):
it's similar to this but at first it was just on the
phone like phone like a it'slike a rate it was like a radio
call-in kind of thing okay whereyou called in now it's kind of
like video now it's like thisbut before it was just a ring
you know voices radio call-inwas like five phone lines And
(15:04):
that
SPEAKER_01 (15:04):
surprised you when you saw it was more ex Jehovah's
Witnesses.
Were you surprised?
SPEAKER_00 (15:12):
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
I, oh man, I'm gonna take myselfback to that moment.
And especially when I saw peoplethat I knew, I was like, that's
Gilbert, you know, that's good.
That's like, you know, thatsaid, that's that Gilbert guy
from the assemblies, you know,that's Kim and Mikey.
(15:32):
and like people that i didn'teven remember their name and i
was like oh you know oh and youonce you meet rick fearing you
never forget them and so i waslike i'm gonna join in on this
because these are peop peopleand the straw hat guy that was
outside the assembly when i wasa teenager he was on youtube i'm
(15:53):
like that's too funny And so,yeah, I just started joining in
with all the Tucson people andthen everybody else from all
over.
And we networked a lot.
That was the one good thing.
We networked a lot.
SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (16:10):
But it was real.
Even just 10 years ago, it wasrudimentary.
Okay.
You know, like call-in showslike this with just like five
phone lines, that getting fivepeople to even join in was
difficult.
UNKNOWN (16:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (16:23):
People
SPEAKER_00 (16:24):
didn't want to show their, oh, 10 years.
That's not even 10 years, like2017, 2017.
Most people didn't even want toshare their name, let alone show
their face.
Most, there was only like LloydEvans would show his face.
(16:44):
Kim and Mikey would show theirface.
You know, some other, I didn'twant to show my face.
A lot of people didn't want toshow their own face.
So even just showing your faceis a big deal.
SPEAKER_01 (16:55):
Tell me about that.
Why didn't you want to show yourface yet?
At that time, why didn't youwant to show your face?
SPEAKER_00 (17:06):
Because of my family, like the rest of them.
SPEAKER_01 (17:11):
It would cause trouble.
SPEAKER_00 (17:12):
Yeah, and it was fear.
Yeah.
Well, and I wanted to spy.
Like, you know, I wanted to spy.
And also, I didn't feel good atthe time.
So it was like I was in a realprecarious spot.
And my stepdad didn't know.
(17:34):
And I didn't want him to know.
Even though I think from theget-go it was obvious.
You know, like when you hearyour own, you know, you know
it's them.
Especially when I was...
But, oh, see, well, I forget theobvious.
One of the reasons I didn't wantmy Uncle Brent to flip out.
I always called my Uncle BrentHanson my serial killer Uncle
(17:58):
Brent.
I didn't want serial killerUncle Brent to go baseball bat
machete, because I know him morethan anybody.
And I was like, Uncle Brent'sgoing to go nuts.
I was like, I don't want UncleBrent to snap.
He's going to snap.
And he did snap.
And that was so public, man.
(18:18):
Him snapping with a baseball batand machete on Jehovah's Witness
family members.
It doesn't get any more brutalthan that.
It was shocking where it waslike people are like, is she
kidding or is she serious?
I'm like, oh, no, I'm deadserious.
SPEAKER_01 (18:36):
Okay, I can see why you were trying to keep it quiet
then.
SPEAKER_00 (18:39):
Yeah, because I mean, he was just, you know,
it's like, what is she saying?
What is she this mad?
Is she talking about me?
And he just, you know, it'slike, yeah, I'm talking about
you.
I'm talking about you.
I'm talking about Uncle Clyde.
I'm talking about, you know.
(19:00):
So
SPEAKER_01 (19:01):
when you you mentioned J.W.
Fax.
What?
Because I use that a lot.
when I was discovering, becauseI was in that organization for
over 50 years and there was justa lot I didn't know.
And so was it anything inparticular on that website that
caught your eye to make youstart thinking?
SPEAKER_00 (19:25):
For me personally, there wasn't anything on there
that I didn't already know.
I used it as a tool to find thestuff that I already knew about.
Like, it's really good for, youknow, the old publications,
because the old publications areall scanned.
And so knowing I need this oldpublication of this picture,
(19:50):
this page, I know that they're,and then perusing through and
then, you know, reading thoseold publications for myself and
then using them for my videos ofmy research.
And you see, you missed out onmy old channel.
Oh, you would have loved my oldchannel.
We started cart crashing,Kingdom Hall crashing.
(20:14):
That's all new.
That stuff is new.
Since 2017, I remember the firstKingdom Hall crash.
The first real official and thefirst cart crash.
When we started calling themcart crashes.
SPEAKER_01 (20:31):
How many would go into a Kingdom Hall?
SPEAKER_00 (20:35):
Well, the first one was like Tony Prime went to the
memorial and he toasted withwine and he's like, this is for
all the, you know, and do it.
And it was like Tony Prime.
That was amazing.
That was amazing.
And then people went to Warwickand it's like, do a Kingdom Hall
crash like Tony Prime.
And a group went for Warwick.
(20:57):
And then we did one here inTucson, like six or seven of us
did one here in Tucson.
SPEAKER_01 (21:02):
How did they react?
Did they try to go all out?
They try to push you all outreal fast.
SPEAKER_00 (21:08):
Oh, yeah.
But it was monumental.
It was monumental.
It was more monumental than weknow yet.
Because arrests happened.
The Kingdom Hall crash we did,arrests happened.
SPEAKER_01 (21:27):
Now, what about the carts?
You said for...
The witness cards, what wouldyou all do at the witness cards?
SPEAKER_00 (21:36):
I know, I love it.
What?
You all
SPEAKER_01 (21:43):
would just go bother the witnesses at the cart.
SPEAKER_00 (21:46):
Yep.
Zeb Leatherman was the first onethat took his phone and went to
a cart and started harassingthem you know or doing what you
know bugging them asking themquestions to do it to be funny
and it was like you know that'sactually a good idea we even had
(22:08):
to like in 2017 we didn't evenknow how to secretly really
record anything we think justwithin what is that like the
last eight years we figured outhow to use our cell phones how
to put them so that we couldrecord and do at the same exact
(22:29):
time of how to record a cart andtalk to them and record it at
the same time.
Even how to upload things.
We've had to figure out so manydifferent things over the last
eight years.
Recording judicials.
(22:50):
Recording the elders.
I've
SPEAKER_01 (22:53):
seen a couple of those where it was in a judicial
meeting, I've seen them wheresomeone was questioning an elder
about some doctrine, like secretrecording, you know?
SPEAKER_00 (23:05):
Yeah, I'm a huge secret recorder.
I've got some of my secretrecordings still, but my old
channel got taken down, but Isaved some of it.
I'll have to...
It's on my Patreon, but then myPatreon got taken down because
the family got mad.
Well, the elders that I recordedfound out about it.
SPEAKER_01 (23:24):
Oh, you know they don't like that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (23:26):
Oh, they hate it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (23:30):
And so now where we're at now as an Ex-Jobless
Witness community and everythingwe have at our disposal, how do
you feel about that?
How vocal we can be?
How does that make you feel?
SPEAKER_00 (23:46):
So proud to be a part of the grassroots of like
this, having video of you and meon video in 2017, we did not
know how to do it.
The only one that really knewhow to kind of do it, starting
to do it was Lloyd Evans.
(24:07):
And I remember all of usthinking, well, how does Lloyd
do that?
I want to do it.
And then seeing, you know, RickFearon figure it out, and then
I'm figuring it out.
And then during COVID, figuringit out, we're, oh, we didn't
even know what Zoom was.
So, like, I want to say to thewitnesses, I'm going to say this
to the witnesses.
(24:28):
You doing Zoom for the meetings,that was so useful to us
apostates.
Like, ooh, you know, let's havean apostate meeting.
You know, let's do this.
That
SPEAKER_01 (24:42):
was key.
So
SPEAKER_00 (24:43):
thank you, brothers.
SPEAKER_01 (24:44):
You're about to make them cry.
So that word, apostate, how doesit make you feel?
Some of us, we don't like howthey define it because we're
nothing like they define.
SPEAKER_00 (25:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (25:02):
How does that make you feel?
SPEAKER_00 (25:04):
Oh, to be called what?
An apostate?
SPEAKER_01 (25:06):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
Well, being called demonized smurf girl is worse.
Yeah.
Guilty as charged.
Guilty.
Guilty.
100% demonized.
That's my thing.
I am a demonized apostate.
I'm demonized smurf girl.
They're right.
They made me.
(25:28):
They created me.
Not my fault.
They did it.
SPEAKER_01 (25:32):
I remember when I came across your page.
I was afraid.
I was like, ah, but I keptlooking at your post.
I kept looking at your post andyou know, I was like, I followed
you and then the things you wereposting, they were very
interesting.
Yeah.
(25:53):
You tell a lot of history andall that shit.
You know
SPEAKER_00 (25:57):
what I
SPEAKER_01 (25:58):
mean?
Yeah.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:04):
Yeah, well, you know, after a while, it's like,
you know, after doing it for solong, I established myself, you
know, where it's like, when thisis all you got to do is Google
XJW Smurf Girl, Demonize Smurf,Vanessa Lee Hansen.
um you know rose bundy you knowxjw smurf girls on all those
things you can google me in manydifferent ways and my picture
(26:27):
will show up in several googlesearches you know of all kinds
of any kind of smurf and girlyou know you can just you know
go find it
SPEAKER_01 (26:40):
when i was a boy i will never forget when i was a
boy and uh living in chicago inthe circuit assembly and they
had There was a talk on there,and they were talking about
Smurfs and why we shouldn't havethem.
Oh, yeah?
Scared the shit out of me.
SPEAKER_00 (27:00):
Sorry.
I've got them here.
You want to meet them?
You want to meet Chucky?
No, I'm good.
You're good?
You chicken.
Chicken shit, man.
You're still a chicken shitJ-Dub.
I'm
SPEAKER_01 (27:14):
sorry.
I always told people I don'tmess with two Ds, and that's
drugs and demons.
I don't do it, man.
You as far as
SPEAKER_00 (27:27):
I'll go.
You don't want to see him.
Chucky, be quiet.
He's running around in theapartment.
no he's right behind you oh my
SPEAKER_01 (27:49):
god whatever
SPEAKER_00 (27:50):
he's
SPEAKER_01 (27:51):
right behind you whatever anyway moving right
along you're scared moving rightalong
SPEAKER_00 (28:01):
yeah sorry
SPEAKER_01 (28:05):
it's
SPEAKER_00 (28:07):
just the perfect example though of how witnesses
can get so scared you're evenstill scared it's been nine
months you've been awake ninemonths stop being
SPEAKER_01 (28:23):
scared you don't know what they said to us about
that
SPEAKER_00 (28:27):
oh no i know because i'm one of the ones that said it
SPEAKER_01 (28:35):
mess with all that stuff
SPEAKER_00 (28:37):
okay you don't want to do ouija right now
SPEAKER_01 (28:42):
okay anyway moving right along
SPEAKER_00 (28:48):
i know the last oh see you woke up when i started
like just letting it rip I wasnever like this before.
I was real tame and I was realsweet and like I was playing
nice for the longest time Iplayed nice.
I don't play nice anymore.
I'm a different person.
SPEAKER_01 (29:07):
You don't.
I can't even imagine you beingall nice and sweet.
SPEAKER_00 (29:11):
oh yeah i was like hey it's me smurf girl how's it
going you know and then i dovideos of showing watchtowers
and doing and explaining anddoctrine that's then i'd go to
the cart and i'd be like youknow i'd ask him about 1914 and
607 I started real small, likereal small.
(29:36):
Well, I'd secretly record mystepdad and post him on the
internet.
SPEAKER_01 (29:41):
Oh, my goodness.
That's weird that you startedout nice.
SPEAKER_00 (29:46):
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (29:47):
I didn't mean it to sound like that.
I didn't mean to sound likethat.
But you're still a nice person.
Let me get that out there.
SPEAKER_00 (29:55):
Yeah, I started out real nice.
And then, well, once Uncle Brentsnapped...
Once Uncle Brent snapped, I waslike, okay, I'm not going to be
nice anymore.
You know, like, nice.
Where it's like, I can't...
For one, I can't be nice whereit's like...
The whole time when I'm like,you know, my uncle is kind of a
(30:18):
nut job and my abuse, blah,blah, blah.
And they're like, where's yoursecond witness?
Where's your second witness?
And I'm like, oh, I need asecond.
Demonize Smart Girl needs asecond witness.
Oh, there'll be secondwitnesses.
All right.
And so now there's way more thansecond witnesses.
(30:38):
You know, the whole Internet sawit.
And, you know, everybody in thecommunity was like in shock, you
know, and it's like, yeah, helost his mind.
He chopped my Aunt Jessica 144times with a machete being nine
months pregnant.
Like, as I'm a YouTuber, youknow, as I'm going on six
(31:00):
screens and talking about thefamily anonymously, then I'm
like, oh, God, everybody, guesswhat?
My abuser just went crazy.
You know, and I've gone on theSilent No More program.
And I remember sitting on theprogram thinking, I can't even
(31:21):
talk about this because I knowthat if he sees me on this
program on TV, because I did theSilent No More before Uncle
Brent snapped.
SPEAKER_01 (31:32):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
Like a couple years before, like 2019 or so.
SPEAKER_01 (31:36):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00 (31:37):
And thinking...
he's gonna freak out when hesees this so i just sat there
and i didn't say anything butjust having my face on there
made two of my abusers unclebrandon and uncle clyde go nuts
SPEAKER_01 (31:55):
how did that because you you touched on it and i
always ask my guests like thatto to witness rule crap how did
that make you feel like itinfuriates me
SPEAKER_00 (32:08):
well what's really awful is that you'll go to an
elder like i would go to anelder that i know knew what i
was talking about like theelders are the second witnesses
SPEAKER_01 (32:24):
yeah
SPEAKER_00 (32:25):
You know, you go and say, hey, brother, you know,
when I was abused, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah.
And they're a witness to it.
And then they will ask you foranother witness.
And it's like, but brother, yousaw and you know, you got the
judicial file.
You are one of my witnesses.
I'm coming to you saying you aremy second witness.
(32:47):
I got a, you're a witness andthis guy did it.
And now I've got to bringsomebody else.
The elders are the secondwitnesses.
And they're just too stupid,evil, you know, just awful that
they can't even see that.
And it's like, for me, it'slike, oh, you want, and when
they said that, that's anotherreason why I went online.
(33:11):
Because I was like, I Googled,you know, demonized Smurf girl.
And lo and behold, all these,you know, hundreds of people
making videos about it, talkingabout me.
So I'm like, hey, there's mybunches of second witnesses.
Look at all these people thatheard about my abuse.
(33:32):
And, you know, I went fromthere.
Well, I went from there toestablish myself as Demonized
Smurf Girl.
Like, oh, no.
Not only am I going to tell youI'm Demonized Smurf Girl, I'm
going to show you.
And I'm going to show youexactly where, you know, it's
going to be.
(33:53):
What's happened recently withUncle Brent snapping and
everything is exactly whathappened in 1982 to cause it in
the first place.
Like, this is just like, youknow, Demonized Smurf Act 2.
You know, like part two, like asequel.
It's like, okay, we'll do asequel if that's what you want,
you know.
UNKNOWN (34:14):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (34:16):
Yeah.
So nothing ever happened to themthrough the congregation?
The ones you were accusing ofabuse, nothing happened to them
through the congregation?
SPEAKER_00 (34:26):
oh no no no not at all in fact they've re-offended
several times and then um slowlyone by one after re-offending
sometimes they would getarrested by re-offending worldly
kids Like with my uncle MorrisHanson, he reoffended three
(34:46):
worldly kids.
And so I was able to catch himin 2012 through that, like 2000,
I think maybe 2010 or 2012 iswhen I caught him and others.
And there were other people likejust the people connected to the
demonized Smurf incident.
They were dying.
(35:06):
They were being murdered one byone going missing.
You know, this guy John La Pumawent missing, this, you know,
boating accident, this thing,that thing.
My second witnesses started todisappear in weird ways.
And I'm like, huh, you know,that's interesting.
Like somebody that I would go,like when I had said, you know,
(35:31):
I was abused.
And when the brother said,where's your second witness?
And then I went to go get them.
And as I go to them, when I'mtrying to find John LaPuma, like
brother John LaPuma, and as I'mtrying to find brother LaPuma,
then I find out that his body ismissing at sea.
Or I went to Randy Howard, andall of these various second
(35:57):
witnesses that I went to startto die in weird ways.
And I was like, well, this isquite serious, you know, like
that, you know, I was trying toget a hold of all my second
witnesses.
And when I would start to get ahold of my second witnesses to
(36:19):
do like a lawsuit, things wereending up happening to those
second witnesses.
And so to the rest of my secondwitnesses, which means everybody
in Breckenridge, Minnesota,Ortonville, Minnesota, and all
of Tucson, Arizona, and anywhereelse that knows about this, you
know, that stay on the lookoutand keep on the watch because
(36:43):
anybody that, you know, I've gota huge long list of second
witnesses that bad things haveended up happening to them when
I, you know, start to talk aboutit.
SPEAKER_01 (36:57):
That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (36:58):
Yeah.
And for me, it's like to anywitnesses in Breckenridge, hey,
I don't care.
You're the ones that haven'tgone to the cops.
UNKNOWN (37:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:06):
And, you know, to anybody else in the family, if
you want to stay quiet, you sawwhat happened with uncle Brent,
uncle Clyde and aunt Jessica,you know, you saw what happened
with uncle Morris, you know, ifthat's what, if that's the road
they want to take, so be it.
And it's harsh, but it's like,that's their choice.
(37:27):
You know, that's their choice.
They want to stay silent, butthat's what happens when people
stay silent about that stuff.
other other guilty individualsget real desperate and then they
start to do things to peoplethat they know are witnesses to
what they did you know what i'msaying
SPEAKER_01 (37:47):
yeah so i imagine all that just left a horrible
horrible taste in your mouth andyou just started advocating
SPEAKER_00 (37:57):
yeah i started to record it i was like i can't
believe that all these horriblethings are happening to people.
Like when I heard about JohnLaPuma, a second witness, and
then I heard about, you know, orI experienced, I didn't just
hear about it, but experiencedit.
And then all, you know, MalcolmMorris Hanson, my mom, all the,
(38:20):
too many people were dying.
And I'm like, I need to start torecord it.
This YouTube thing looks good.
I'm gonna start to record it.
I'm gonna start recordingeverybody.
And maybe when one of thesethings starts to happen, like in
Uncle Brent again, I will get iton tape, of which then I did.
(38:42):
Because I knew this is what'sgoing on, you know?
And it's sad.
It's real sad to be, like,knowing that, like, when I look
back at it, I'm thinking, justin case Uncle Brent snaps, I'm
going to have my camera rolling.
And I'm going to be putting iton YouTube because I know that's
what he's going to end up doingbecause that's what he said he
(39:04):
was going to do it.
Like I even went to Aunt Jessicaand said, this is what he's
going to do, you New YorkJehovah's Witness.
Get out of there.
And then, you know, she's like,where's your second witness that
he said that?
And it's like, oh, he says he'sgoing to take a machete.
SPEAKER_01 (39:25):
Them and those are that damn second witness rule.
And so speaking about thefuture, what do you want to
accomplish?
Where are you going?
Where are you headed?
SPEAKER_00 (39:41):
I feel like I accomplished other than bringing
them financially to their knees,of which I know that I already
have, doing it farther and just
SPEAKER_01 (39:56):
And when you say them, who are you referring to?
SPEAKER_00 (39:59):
Oh, Watchtower.
Like, just the amount ofdemonized toys and items that
witnesses have thrown out overthe past, since 1982.
You know, 43 years ofdemonizing.
How many things did you throwout in your lifetime, in a
dollar amount, for your lifetimeof 50 years in the organization?
SPEAKER_01 (40:21):
Oh, man.
I don't know.
It's like...
I steered away from everything.
I didn't go to yard sales.
Why are you laughing?
This is serious shit.
This is war.
No, I
SPEAKER_00 (40:37):
didn't go.
It's a demon war.
SPEAKER_01 (40:39):
Yeah, for real.
I know.
I didn't go to yard sales.
I've heard too many stories.
SPEAKER_00 (40:49):
Just a minute.
SPEAKER_01 (40:54):
No,
SPEAKER_00 (40:58):
but like, I mean, it's getting into hundreds of
billions of dollars thatwitnesses have been have been
cost just by one little stupidthing.
One little stupid thing.
One little stupid stuff smurfcost hundreds of billions of
(41:20):
dollars
SPEAKER_01 (41:21):
it's so scary looking
SPEAKER_00 (41:24):
you know and it's like
SPEAKER_01 (41:27):
we were making graphics on it You were trying
to design them for the websiteand the upcoming show, which
we'll mention later.
And I was laughing because onone of them you put, and you
posted it too, it said PapaSmurf.
I was like, seriously.
SPEAKER_00 (41:43):
I'm a Smurf bitch?
SPEAKER_01 (41:45):
Yeah, oh no, when you call me Papa Smurf, I'm
SPEAKER_00 (41:48):
like, why?
Papa Mitch.
Papa Mitch.
That's what it was.
You
SPEAKER_01 (41:54):
reminded me.
See how scarred I am?
SPEAKER_00 (41:58):
I know.
It's called trauma memory loss,actually.
SPEAKER_01 (42:05):
The trauma is real with me about smirks.
SPEAKER_00 (42:10):
Boo.
I swear to God.
I swear to God.
What am I going to do?
You want to meet me in person?
Are you going to be too scared?
UNKNOWN (42:25):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (42:26):
Am I going to what?
SPEAKER_00 (42:27):
Are you going to be too scared to meet me in person?
SPEAKER_01 (42:30):
No.
Can I bring my dolls with you?
SPEAKER_00 (42:32):
Yeah, I'm going to bring Chucky.
Come on.
He wants to meet
SPEAKER_01 (42:38):
you.
He wants
SPEAKER_00 (42:38):
to meet
SPEAKER_01 (42:39):
you.
UNKNOWN (42:40):
Stop.
SPEAKER_00 (42:42):
He loves you.
It was his idea of Papa Mitch.
SPEAKER_01 (42:46):
It'll be a Zoom meeting if you bring the dolls.
SPEAKER_00 (42:51):
Yeah.
Never mind.
oh wait here he is no i'm justkidding i
SPEAKER_01 (43:01):
shouldn't have even told you i was scared
SPEAKER_00 (43:11):
no you're just this typical elder no i don't want it
be like brothers i want to talkabout the demonized smurf can i
talk about it no no that's okaythat's okay i'm good i'm good
it's like well open your goddamnwallet because i'm gonna you
know i'm gonna do it again i'mgonna do it again You know, I'll
put my dad Ted Bundy in it andthen he'll be like, I possessed
(43:34):
him and I'm going to, you know.
Just a little smurf hand.
Hi.
SPEAKER_01 (43:41):
Anyway, moving on.
SPEAKER_00 (43:50):
Mitch is scared.
SPEAKER_01 (43:52):
Moving right along.
So he said you want to bring methe watchtower.
Monetary harm.
SPEAKER_00 (43:59):
That's
SPEAKER_01 (44:00):
what we were.
Yeah.
What do you think about thegoverning body?
SPEAKER_00 (44:06):
Well, you know, I'm madly in love with Mark
Sanderson, Mitch.
SPEAKER_01 (44:11):
I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_00 (44:12):
I know, it's awful.
yeah he just he's a man he's ademonized man over after my own
heart like he's so demonized manhe's so mark sanderson is so
bearded papa smurf demonizedthat can't help it i've never
seen somebody so demonized
SPEAKER_01 (44:29):
why do you say that why do you think
SPEAKER_00 (44:31):
because he's demonized look at him Just look
at him.
He's so deep.
He's all stiff.
He's all stiff, and he's like,I'm Mark Sanders, so I'm stiff
and demonized.
No, he's so, and then him sodemonized, he's sexy.
He's demon sexy.
UNKNOWN (44:49):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (44:51):
Wow.
I've heard that all the time.
Oh, what I think?
No, in reality, I love it howdemonized they are, because they
are very demonized.
They're extremely
SPEAKER_01 (45:00):
demonized.
Seriously, I've been hearing it.
SPEAKER_00 (45:03):
What?
SPEAKER_01 (45:04):
I said, seriously, I've been hearing that.
SPEAKER_00 (45:07):
Oh, yeah.
Well, the way that they act,they act extremely Chucky.
Like, you know, like if a human,that's kind of why I act the way
that I act.
I'm acting all, okay, like,let's say, you know, I act all
demonized anyway.
Like, you know, gosh, okay.
(45:28):
If I start acting all StephenLett, let's act all Stephen Lett
for a minute.
Like, oh, brothers and sisters,you know?
We would never.
I'm a demonized monkey clown,you know?
I'm so demonized.
I'm demonized Steven Leitch, youknow?
(45:49):
I couldn't even act as demonizedas he does.
Who does that?
SPEAKER_01 (45:54):
Yeah, he has some expressions.
What do you think
SPEAKER_00 (45:58):
about that?
Well, they're my guys.
You know, I love how demonizedthey are.
I love how stiff and awkward Iam, too.
You know?
It's like, I can do weird faces,too.
You know?
We would never, never hide pedoslike Uncle Brent.
(46:19):
Like, we would, you
SPEAKER_01 (46:21):
know?
SPEAKER_00 (46:22):
Yeah, yeah.
Who says that?
You know what I mean?
Who says that?
SPEAKER_01 (46:26):
And they know good and well they are.
SPEAKER_00 (46:28):
Oh, yeah.
Well, you know, I proved it.
You know, talking about UncleBrent, you know, and talking
about Uncle Clyde proved itright on air, right on YouTube.
There's no refuting where it'slike, no, I was talking about my
two uncles, that there wasnothing but trouble, and got the
brother saying, well, where'syour second witness about Uncle
(46:49):
Brent?
I got it on tape of saying UncleBrent and Uncle Clyde.
And Rob Wilcock, Elder RobWilcock saying, where's your
second witness?
And I'm like, oh, I'll show youa second witness.
Because I shouldn't have to hidemy face and not say my name and
(47:10):
for fear that someone is goingto lose their cool and kill a
bunch of people with a baseballbat and a machete.
I shouldn't have to be worriedabout that.
And knowing that the veryindividual that I was trying to
save was Aunt Jessica and, ofcourse, myself, and that she
(47:31):
wouldn't listen.
It's like a Jehovah's Witnesshorror movie where I'm like, get
out of there, Aunt Jessica, getout of there, run, you know?
SPEAKER_01 (47:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (47:44):
And she wouldn't.
Like, she wouldn't.
And it's happened so many times.
We're all, imagine me callingher up and saying, hey, it's
demonized Smurf girl.
Yeah, you're my new aunt.
You know, you just married intothe most demonized family on the
(48:05):
face of the planet.
You know, I would not unpack,you know, just go back home.
And then her saying, you know,oh, she's a mentally diseased
apostate.
She literally said that.
SPEAKER_01 (48:19):
Yeah, I believe it, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (48:22):
Now,
SPEAKER_01 (48:23):
how do you, the voice, so many voices now in the
ex-Jehovah's Witness community,like, how does that make you
feel?
Do you think we're doing a goodenough job?
SPEAKER_00 (48:34):
Oh, yeah.
I feel at this point, like, ofthe movement that we've been a
part of, that, like, There's noteven anything that I really even
need to do or say anymorebecause all the rest of you are
doing such a good job that I canjust sit back and get closure
(48:58):
and vent and just do what I dobecause everybody else does such
a good job.
Like you do a great job.
Everybody else does a great job.
And it's like my work is doneand I can actually get closure
in front of a bunch of people.
You know, where it's like, no,you guys are great.
You know, my work's done.
(49:20):
I started, you know, way back ofanybody that's been doing it.
And a lot of other people havegotten closer to where it's like
the, you know, the old group,the Vast Apostate Army.
Once Beards and Pants and UncleBrent and Uncle Tony, it's like,
well, what else?
For us, what else is there forme to do?
(49:42):
Like, there
SPEAKER_01 (49:44):
isn't.
Did that surprise you, like, thebeards and the pants?
SPEAKER_00 (49:48):
No, because that was a part of what happened with me.
Like, Uncle Tony, with UncleTony Morris.
I mean, it was, like, I knewahead of time he was being taken
off the body.
because it got voted on at theannual meeting and then it got
it which is like what Septemberand then they said they were
(50:10):
going to announce it by the endof January of the of that after
the you know the turn of theyear so I knew because Uncle
Brent's plea bargain was rightduring the annual meeting of of
like September 22 and thenJanuary of 23 Uncle Tony got
taken off and I was told aheadof time family called me and
(50:32):
said they're removing thembecause they felt he was the
main one responsible and I'mlike yeah you're right.
Was
SPEAKER_01 (50:40):
he
SPEAKER_00 (50:41):
hurt?
Was Uncle Tony hurt?
SPEAKER_01 (50:49):
That they wanted to remove him?
SPEAKER_00 (50:51):
Oh, his ego is so bad, of course.
He was, I'm sure, just alunatic.
I heard he flipped out.
SPEAKER_01 (50:59):
I can imagine,
SPEAKER_00 (51:02):
yeah.
Yeah, nobody's heard from him.
I'm not sure.
But, yeah.
You know, because even we gothim on tape, like, of the Army.
We got them on tape at theliquor store.
Like all those things, you know,a bottle gate, you know, because
(51:23):
Uncle Clyde and Uncle Clyde, notJessica, were pillow gate, like
pillow gate.
Did you hear about the pillowgate scandal?
SPEAKER_01 (51:32):
I saw it.
I don't know what it is.
SPEAKER_00 (51:34):
Oh, it's Uncle Clyde, not Jessica.
And
SPEAKER_01 (51:39):
what is it?
SPEAKER_00 (51:41):
You'll have to go and look it up on Lloyd Evans,
and it was a scandal.
It was the scandal of UncleClyde, not Jessica, getting
married.
They called Pillowgate.
SPEAKER_01 (51:51):
Just saw that like two days ago.
SPEAKER_00 (51:54):
Oh, man, you're so, yeah, you're like still wet
behind the ears from yourbaptism.
I'm
SPEAKER_01 (52:02):
an innocent babe.
That's why you were trying toscare me earlier.
I
SPEAKER_00 (52:06):
know.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
You're probably thinking, yeah,this is what it looks like when
you finally relax and yourealize the fight of the
apostasy of your fight is overand that you can say whatever
you feel like and you don't givea crap what anyone else thinks.
(52:27):
Yeah.
you've already proved when youprove your point okay when you
went as an apostate when youprove your point to everyone
involved this is what it lookslike because I'm like a
different person like oh no Iproved my point a while ago you
know nice like once you have toattend a few you know a couple
(52:51):
of funerals you know then it'slike told you so
SPEAKER_01 (52:55):
I'm happy that you're in that place now.
You seem very relaxed and free.
SPEAKER_00 (53:02):
Oh, I know.
It's just a big sigh of relief.
I don't even know.
SPEAKER_01 (53:09):
What do you think about Samuel Heard?
SPEAKER_00 (53:14):
Nobody's really seen him.
SPEAKER_01 (53:17):
What do
SPEAKER_00 (53:18):
you mean?
The last video I saw was when hegrew a beard.
SPEAKER_01 (53:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (53:25):
Is that the last video of that one update?
I
SPEAKER_01 (53:30):
don't watch them.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (53:31):
Because he's in my baptism photos.
SPEAKER_01 (53:34):
You sent me that.
I saw that.
I was like, wow.
SPEAKER_00 (53:38):
So I don't know what happened.
I heard he ran out of Warwicklike a demonized smurf.
And that's why he hasn't been onthe broadcast in a while.
And they just don't want to say.
Why would he run out?
maybe you know what
SPEAKER_01 (53:59):
why won't you run out
SPEAKER_00 (54:02):
because of my baptism photos i i right after
that he was gone he grew a beardum i had done i put my baptism
photos with him in it becausehe's down he was down here in
tucson he was a circuit overseerand a district overseer um here
in tucson
SPEAKER_01 (54:19):
okay
SPEAKER_00 (54:20):
like i know the you know him and gloria his last
name is gloria Like the lasttime I saw Gloria Heard, she was
like, here's our phone number.
We're going to Bethel, you know,and him getting put on the
governing body.
And then she gave me her phonenumber.
She goes, if you ever needanything, here's our phone
number and you know where tocall.
(54:41):
And I thought that was realnice.
That was like years ago, youknow, like maybe 1999 or
something.
And It's like, well, Gloria, Iguess when you said, you know,
you didn't really mean it.
You know, thanks a lot.
(55:04):
Proving my point, you know,because I called and called and
called and recorded it.
You know.
SPEAKER_01 (55:10):
Maybe I'm thinking about something else.
I thought he was on, like, oneof those recordings for the
videos for a convention.
SPEAKER_00 (55:18):
Oh, that's right.
I forgot about that.
I recorded that, too.
Did he still have his beard?
I think he did.
SPEAKER_01 (55:25):
Yeah, because I was like, he can't be gone.
That was the only, that was likethe black hole.
I
SPEAKER_00 (55:31):
know.
The token.
Is that mean?
No, that's not mean.
SPEAKER_01 (55:39):
That's what we called him.
He represented us.
He can't be gone.
SPEAKER_00 (55:45):
He's the token herd.
Everybody's a token herd.
SPEAKER_01 (55:49):
For real.
SPEAKER_00 (55:49):
Everybody needs a token herd.
no i loved him i love to pick onhim he's such a grouch he's a
little oscar the grouch you knowjust go in your trash can sam
shut up and put the lid down youknow that's what it was just i'm
done cbc rbc done you know no iknow him quite well i know him
(56:17):
quite well
SPEAKER_01 (56:19):
so like i was telling everyone earlier like
there's so much information thatyou have that i want to pick
your brain about that we're justgoing to make this a regular
segment and i'm going to likeyou and i talked about yesterday
we'll just dive into aparticular subject or two each
(56:41):
episode and and we'll do it likethat because you know we can't
we were joking earlier but wedon't want to overload their
brains with info
SPEAKER_00 (56:51):
yeah oops too late
SPEAKER_01 (56:55):
because like you've just been blowing my mind these
last two or three days justtelling me everything
SPEAKER_00 (57:01):
yeah well we've been flying airplane banners and
growing beards and kicking uncletony in the butt you know and
there's lots is happy you missedit mitch you missed it we can do
some more if you want but ithink you're too scared
SPEAKER_01 (57:19):
I'm not scared.
I'm never scared, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (57:22):
All right.
SPEAKER_01 (57:23):
I'm Chicago.
I
SPEAKER_00 (57:25):
just don't mess with Smurfs.
SPEAKER_01 (57:26):
I just don't mess with Smurfs.
SPEAKER_00 (57:28):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (57:30):
You're the only one.
SPEAKER_00 (57:32):
Sorry.
It's the end of the show.
You're the only
SPEAKER_01 (57:36):
Smurf.
But yeah, so we are going tostart just a podcast show.
myself and smurf girl and justlike dive into different topics
and i think it'll be fun i thinkit'll be interesting she has a
(57:58):
lot to say i'm
SPEAKER_00 (58:01):
sorry i did all the
SPEAKER_01 (58:02):
time that's what we're here for i'm just saying
you have a lot to say this isunscripted so she even threw
things at me that i wasn'texpecting like the chucky
SPEAKER_00 (58:18):
I'm in it.
Pull them out.
SPEAKER_01 (58:22):
No, no, no.
I'm trying to keep my streetcreds up.
SPEAKER_00 (58:31):
Yeah, I know.
You'll have a crucifix.
You'll be like, I don't know.
Oh
SPEAKER_01 (58:40):
my goodness.
So yes, I will be filling y'allin on when we'll do Our next
episodes, I started the websitetoday.
Go check that out.
The xjwnetwork.org.
So check that out.
I'm just going to be updating alot on there, on the website.
(59:03):
I'll have my regular podcast.
I'll have Smurf Girl and myselfshow.
And also there's a group onthere, private group.
And it's like a forum that wecan just discuss things as a
group.
We don't have to worry about thewitnesses because it's a private
group.
So yeah, lots of big thingscoming up.
(59:26):
But I appreciate you taking timefor the first of many episodes.
SPEAKER_00 (59:33):
Sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (59:35):
No, I apologize.
Nothing to be sorry about.
Do you want to tell people howto see you and your content?
SPEAKER_00 (59:42):
um just xjw smurf girl rose bundy you can google
it i'm on i've got threefacebooks um you know yeah a
group oh i got you know but igot smurf tower i'm smurf tower
i'm the editor and faithfulslave of smurf tower
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:03):
faithful slave wow
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:05):
the faithful and discreet smurf class
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:07):
come on wow wow wow
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:10):
And Bundy Tower and, you know, Twitter and stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:14):
Yeah, Instagram.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:16):
Yeah, I got TikTok yesterday.
Again, my third
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:20):
one.
I thought I was being, I thoughtit was like a fake at first.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:26):
No, it's me.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:26):
Yeah, I realized, soon I realized it was you.
I was like,
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:31):
oh, okay.
There have been a couple of,there's a couple of fake
Twitters, but I'm the verifiedone.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:37):
Okay.
That's the one I follow.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:39):
Yeah, the one with the blue check.
Oh, it's a blue checkmark, youknow, a little smurf check.
That's me.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:46):
I
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:48):
hate me freaked out the demonized one with the blue
checkmark.
I hope I didn't act too weird.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:01):
You acted fine.
This was fun.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:04):
It
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:04):
was fun, it was informative, and yeah, we're
going to do it.
Have a lot more episodes.
Thank you.
It's going to be a regular thingthat we do.
I hope you all enjoy it.
There's going to be a lot comingup.
Thank you for tuning in,listening, however you listen to
me.
(01:01:25):
Take care and go and do greatthings.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:28):
Bye.
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