Ep. 04 (audio only): WATCHTOWER AFTER DARK - SHE'S BACK! ROSE BUNDY aka SMURF GIRL IS BACK - EXJW

After a long hiatus, and reclaiming what's rightfully hers, Rose Bundy is back telling it like it is ONLY on Watchtower After Dark!

Join her Tuesdays and Fridays with her newly apostate sidekick ExJDub Mitch. See what type of trouble they can get into as they talk about politics, entertainment, love, and healing after leaving the Jehovah's Witness cult. Anything goes, no-holds-barred. Are you ready?

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Episode Transcript

UNKNOWN (00:00):
Hello.

SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
after dark Mitch it's me smirker Rose Bundy and
it's Mitch and it's you guyslong time no see

SPEAKER_01 (00:44):
long time no see a

SPEAKER_00 (00:48):
long time Mitch you guys Mitch did an amazing thing
and I'm starting my show back itwasn't for Mitch like you know I
my heart just wasn't in it andhe gave me that flair to do it
again because watch her afterdark when we did it was amazing
like it was it was seriously themost fun i've had with apostates

(01:13):
ever is just shooting the breezeshooting this getting drunk oh
cheers mitch you ready We'restill, we've never done it.
So we're practicing.
We suck at it.
Cheers.

(01:35):
All around everybody.
We should have a shot, a shotgame.

SPEAKER_01 (01:42):
I have a lot of shots.

SPEAKER_00 (01:45):
What should we, I don't know.
We'll come up with the word.

SPEAKER_01 (01:50):
Oh

SPEAKER_00 (01:50):
yeah.
We got to come up with the word.
Like a word that we say andeverybody's got to take a shot.
Just pick a word, people.
I don't like my word, so.
Yeah.
People don't like them?
That's what

SPEAKER_01 (02:03):
you said?
I said I have a word we can use,but you don't like my word.

SPEAKER_00 (02:07):
Oh, I don't like your word?
Yeah.
Well, if I don't like it, don'tsay it.
I don't want to hear your word.
You made

SPEAKER_01 (02:16):
a graphic of it.

SPEAKER_00 (02:19):
Of what?

SPEAKER_01 (02:20):
The word that I like.

SPEAKER_00 (02:23):
What?
Don't say it.
Don't say it.
Am I a trigger word?

SPEAKER_01 (02:29):
No, it's not a trigger word.
It actually stands forWatchtower After Dark.

SPEAKER_00 (02:34):
Oh.
Oh.
Yeah, you mean a butt wad.
You mean a wad.
Wad.
Wad.
Take a shot every time we saythe word wad, which is the
anagram.
Oh, Sam, you'll heard.
It's the anagram for wash herafter dark.
You know, like CBCRBC, we gotwad.

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So every single time it standsfor Washer After Dark where we
shoot our wad off in the middleof the night.
We shoot our big fat wads off.
Me and Mitch.
No, we had so much fun when wedid Washer After Dark before.

(03:19):
But, you know, with this,there's no constraints.
There's no limitations.
Like, the sky's the limit.
We can do...
whatever we want you know oh soi was going to show you i got my
grandpa hat my grandpa ross west

SPEAKER_01 (03:36):
and

SPEAKER_00 (03:38):
when i saw it i was like that's grandpa you know
ross west i'm grandpa ross westyou know and he'd mumble the
prayer dear jehovah we thank youfor these ritual rich blessings
that have come upon us andmurder and just name amen baby
And if he saw what was going onright now with Wash Shower, he

(04:01):
would lose his mind and getdementia all over again and die
all over again.

SPEAKER_01 (04:09):
What wouldn't he like?

SPEAKER_00 (04:13):
Oh, just, he was a real stickler on hypocrisy.
He hated hypocrisy.
He hated looking like ahypocrite and with everything.
When it comes down to the end ofyour life, you always are like,
they're never there for you atthe end of your life.

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And by then it's too late.
And he realized it when grandmadied first.
And he'd be like, those goddamnelders, those goddamn elders,
you know, that killed yourgrandma.
And people would say in thefamily, oh, grandpa's got
dementia.
How in the world could he talkagainst the elders like that?
And I'm like, because of whatthey did.

(04:57):
And, you know, and he kneweverything.
Like, he knew absolutelyeverything, you know, seeing it
being the older one.
And so usually like at the endof your life, you give up and
you realize that you, you know,you gave up hope.
That's sad.

(05:17):
Grandpa wouldn't, you know, andif my dad saw it, he'd kill even
more people the second time.
Where's my dad Ted Bundy whenyou need him?
I would say that all the timegrowing up.
You're the elders that act likepills.
I'd say, where's my dad, TedBundy, when I need him?

(05:40):
You know, like, you're such a,don't say that.
That's mean.
I'm talking about you, brother.
Like, you know, the brothershere in Tucson.
Like, do you brothers realize,because I know that you watch,
you can't help yourself, thatyou know how stupid you look?
Like, stupid.
Oh, my God.

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I'm, like, sweating from theirstupid oozing out of my phone.
Like, I just, like, I sweat fromso much Jehovah's Witness
elders.
Stupid.
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (06:16):
Man, you must sweat a lot, man.

SPEAKER_00 (06:18):
Yeah.
Yeah, no kidding.
Everybody does.
Well, you just get sweaty withhow stupid they are.
Like, you know, they come up atyou.
Whenever I think of an elder, Ithink of just this.
You get all sweaty when theycome up on you and you think
that they're going to ask you togo into the library with them.
You know what I mean?
Like just, oh, I thought theywere going to ask.

(06:39):
And I would burst into tears,you know, like you get all
panicky.
You turn on your heel and you goto the bathroom because you're
afraid, you know, the oldest isgoing to ask you into the
library.

SPEAKER_01 (06:50):
But circle back for me.
um you mentioned you know youused to have a show and
everything

SPEAKER_00 (06:58):
yeah i was sorry about that

SPEAKER_01 (07:00):
and i want everybody to know like how passionate you
are about it because we talkedabout it and um i told you i was
going to get the domain likelock the domain up and yeah i
text you let you know that i didit watch tower after dark was
yours and you got very emotionalwith me it moved me And I could

(07:23):
see how much it meant to you.
So, like, let them know how muchit means to you to have this
voice, the Watchtower After Darkvoice.

SPEAKER_00 (07:34):
Oh, man.
Well, it started years ago.
Like, 2017, I was given theopportunity.
Because what you did, Mitch,like, seriously, everybody, I
burst into tears.
I just, it was just, like,emotional of just...
completely fell apart, and itwas a release of something.

(07:55):
I didn't even realize how upsetI was about it or how I felt
about it, of being able to dothe show again and do it with
Mitch having my back.
But when I was given theopportunity, it was straight out
the gate, even before YouTube.
I didn't even do YouTube.
I did Watch After Dark first.

(08:17):
So it was like my first beforeYouTube thing.
and would call on the sickscreens, you know, and then I'd
be the one up in the middle ofthe night doing wash hour after
dark, you know, when everybodywas already drunk, you know,
from drinking the whole time,because we do drink the whole

(08:38):
night.
And then everybody would eitherwant to, you know, we need to
cry it out, fight it out.
argue it out of whatever was thetopic of Whatever had happened
for the first part of the showof whatever emotions got dredged
up From the beginning in themiddle of the show then when

(09:00):
people needed like an emotionalrelease I was their emotional
release Yeah, it was reallyquite something like, you know,
sometimes we would fight and Wewould argue doctrine.
We would argue of what wethought was, we'd argue reigns.
We'd argue Freemasonry.
We'd argue Smurf.
We'd argue no matter what itwas.

(09:23):
We would argue it.
And the one thing is when I goback and I listen from a
secondhand perspective or like athird party perspective, it's
like, oh wow, listening to theseapostates arguing back and
forth, people would then take aside.
You know, and that's good tohave a debate of an argument and

(09:48):
it was genuine, unscripted, justdiscussing, getting mad, crying,
doing what, you know, just a rawemotion.
Raw.
Lots of it wasn't even recorded.
Like, it seriously wasn't.
I wish that it was.

(10:09):
because we would we would get soraw we would turn off the
recorder because it's like okayit's getting real intense people
are starting to cry maybe weshouldn't post this all over on
the internet because it's toopersonal you know i mean it but
there was a lot of healing thatpeople if you weren't one of the

(10:29):
maybe like three people at thevery, you know, in the middle of
the night that would be cryingand upset.
If you weren't one of thosepeople in kind of a private-y
type of situation, beingbroadcast live in a radio
format, you know, I mean, it wasintense.

(10:52):
It was so intense that it was,like, so personal.
It's like, well, maybe weshouldn't record it.
But in reality, we should haverecorded the whole thing.
Yeah.
Because it was phenomenal.

SPEAKER_01 (11:01):
I'm never hitting calls.

SPEAKER_00 (11:04):
You

SPEAKER_01 (11:04):
what?
I'm never going to hit the pausebutton.

SPEAKER_00 (11:09):
Yeah?

SPEAKER_01 (11:09):
I'm going to record it all.

SPEAKER_00 (11:12):
Okay.
Oh, goodness.
Yeah, I expect it.
Because that's when the magichappens.
Sometimes you think, oh, no.
And then it ends up either beingsomething funny, something
poignant, something that'spoignant later.
Like it could just be somethingpoignant later that it's like,
oh, goodness.
So thank you for...

(11:32):
getting me this back of having aformat that we can take to a
whole new level where we can seeeverybody and talk.
Eventually, it'll be like BradyBunch.
Just like a Zoom where you canZoom in and listen.
We will record it.

(11:54):
We will discuss.
Nothing's off limits.
For me, you know...
As long as you don't shun, Idon't even care.
I don't care if you're a flatearther, you think the earth is
in a dome, you know, that all Icare about is getting closure
for everybody with Watchtower.
And now with the beards andpants and Uncle Tony Morris, now

(12:19):
is the perfect time to getclosure.
Tony,

SPEAKER_01 (12:22):
yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (12:23):
I know.
Just to, you know, just because,you know, I was thinking about
this before.
Earlier, everyone gets closureone of two ways the way it's
going.
It's usually hardly ever a happyending.
It either ends with the shunnerdying or the shunee dying, and

(12:47):
that's how it ends.
And either which way, it'slike...
I've already seen it.
I've already had it happen.
So I'm one of the people whereit's like, oh, no, I'm not
trying to wake up my momanymore.
My mom's been dead for, youknow, 11 years now.
So there's no point.

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Like, my heart's not necessarilyin it.
Everyone else is dead, too.
And so it's like, eventuallythat's going to happen with
everybody.
Everybody.
Whichever one goes first.
And I'm sick and tired of seeingmy friends be the ones that die
before the shunners.

(13:28):
You know?
Because it's like, do you wantto die being shunned?
Like, do you want to die beingshunned?
That's an ugly thing to see.
I've seen apostates die beingshunned and there's not even an
obituary.
Um...

(13:48):
sometimes we don't even find outtill like a long long time later
yeah and it's like what happenedto that person you know and and
and it's like do their doestheir family even know or care
probably not

SPEAKER_01 (14:06):
yeah i hear people tell me that every single day
that uh their family you knowhow they're being shunned they
haven't found out about uhrelatives dying you know and
it's it's crazy what's going onwith this in the shining aspect
of it

SPEAKER_00 (14:27):
i know it's brutal and they like seeing us in pain
too yeah they like it a lot Andit's like, no, you're not going
to see me in pain.
But if you do see me in pain,it's good.
I'm going to be venting and I'mgoing to say who's putting me in
pain and why.
And I'm going to put the familyphotos everywhere.
So you better watch out.
The one thing that feels best isputting like this person right

(14:51):
here is the one doing this tome.
This is, you know, whoever it isto you.
And that feels really good.
It's like, what am I supposed todo?
You know, it's like, oh, I'msorry, Orton Hanson.
Oh, Orton Hanson, you know, I'msorry.
You know, I'm not allowed tomention you when you've been a

(15:13):
thorn in my butt for a millionyears.
Excuse me.
You know, maybe you shouldn'thave did what you did.
But, you know, and I put thephotos, like the photos
situation on Twitter and stuff.
and i look at it like this wasmy family situation it's like i

(15:39):
can't like okay okay i'm wearingmy turtleneck i got my
turtleneck sorry there's ashadow on it this is the shadow
of my phone um it's like clickum what was it oh i i have i was
putting it on i had another onei had a black one i was gonna
wear a black one because i wasi'm dressing you know i dress up

(16:01):
on purpose and i i i have a hardtime wearing the turtleneck like
just you know

SPEAKER_01 (16:12):
when you asked me did i have one i haven't worn a
turtleneck since like 1991.
i know

SPEAKER_00 (16:17):
it's it just it's long sleeve put my jacket on to
make me feel better but yeahbecause it's it's long sleeve
like it's a long it's a it's aturtleneck like I did not.
I'm not guilty.

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So for

SPEAKER_01 (16:54):
those of us who are newer to the ex J-Dub world, I
think it will be eye-opening.
Talking about Watchtower of theDark.
I think it will be eye-openingfor a lot of us who haven't
experienced it.
And it's a lot that are new tothe XJW world.

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So what else can they expect?
Like the newer ones who didn'tknow much about it like myself.
What can they expect when theytune in?

SPEAKER_00 (17:29):
Oh, go watch Terror After Dark is going to be.
It's where no holds barred.
No matter what, I will listen toyou and let you vent and we'll
talk it through.
I know everybody in thecommunity.
No matter if it's a familyissue, trust me, I've gone

(17:51):
through it.
If it's a community thing, ifyou want to discuss cart
crashing, You know, we were, us,my group, the inventor of
Kingdom Hall Crashing and CartCrashing, you know, is the
original, the army, you know,the army, the army, back in like
2017, we started that as anarmy, you know, just like, let's

(18:16):
go, you know, Cart Crashing,Kingdom Hall Crashing, you know,
if you want to talk about, oh, Ican talk about even, of what I
want to do, some of the topicsthat Like, how to secretly
record of the best spy ways ofdemonized Smurf girl secret

(18:37):
recording of how you can getaway with it and how to make
sure your equipment works.
Because there's nothing moredisappointing as when your
equipment backfires, of which itdoes a lot.
You know, because you use yourcell phone.
So, um, I want to, you know,give people pointers because I

(19:05):
can't record everything.
You know what I mean?
Like I try to, you know, for,for every, my recordings go for
everybody.
Like if I get it on tape, it'sgood for everybody.
You know, if somebody else wantsto sue over the two witness
rule, my two witness recordingswork for anyone.
And I will sit up on the standand say, yes, I, just like them,

(19:27):
have that issue.
And you can use my stuff incourt.
I want other ex-JWs to know ofmy stuff.
You can use that as evidence incourt.

UNKNOWN (19:38):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (19:38):
And vice versa.
Like if somebody records, likeif Jude 3 and Laura 2 record
something at the cart and I'mdoing a lawsuit and I need to
get a Jehovah's Witness sayingthat on tape, it doesn't matter
who gets them on tape saying it.
It's that they said it and thatit's on tape.
So if they get something that issaid on tape that's important

(20:00):
for me to use in court, I use itin court, you know?

UNKNOWN (20:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (20:06):
It's like with a criminal case, you know, like if
there's, you know, if there'ssomething incriminating of when
they're trying to show criminalbehavior, which is what we're
trying to do is get criminalbehavior on tape.
You know, it doesn't matterwho's recording the criminal
behavior.
It's like, oh, well, that guyjust got caught stealing
something.

(20:26):
Oh, but it wasn't me who caughthim on tape stealing.
It doesn't matter who caught himon tape stealing.

SPEAKER_01 (20:32):
He

SPEAKER_00 (20:33):
was caught on tape stealing, and that's all that
matters, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
So our recordings are important.
And I would like to get all ofall the confessions and stuff in
one place, you know?
Like every secret, reallyrecorded confession of the
Jehovah's Witnesses.
Like confession, secretconfessions of the Jehovah's

(20:56):
Witnesses is what I want WatchStar After Dark to be of what my
channel is.
is all of those recorded like ican't believe she caught them
saying that on tape it's like oh

SPEAKER_01 (21:13):
yeah if that starts growing we can definitely add a
page to your website

SPEAKER_00 (21:19):
cool

SPEAKER_01 (21:20):
oh tell them about your website

SPEAKER_00 (21:24):
oh um watchstarafterdark.com yeah it's
watchstarafterdark.com

SPEAKER_01 (21:31):
Yeah, if we get enough of those, we'll just make
a page for that.

SPEAKER_00 (21:36):
I know.
It's like you, yeah, you wantall witnesses.
If you want to see yourself ontape, go to
washtowerafterdark.com.
Now, you want to check and seeif you got caught on camera and
what you said.
Because what's important for me,when I noticed a marked
difference in stuff, Is that notonly did I catch people on tape

(22:00):
saying certain things, but Iknow their names.
And that I put, no, no, youknow, it's not just that it's a
witness.
It's this specific witness.
You know, that it's not just anywitness.
It's this one.
Or it's one of my secondwitnesses.
He's saying it's not just astranger, but it's that it's one

(22:24):
of my second witnesses isadmitting to this, you know.
I

SPEAKER_01 (22:32):
think another thing I like.
He's tiling.

SPEAKER_00 (22:36):
Hold on.
He's tiling everybody.
Oh, God.
I don't know.
Let's see.
Having trouble.
Unstable internet connection.
Move closer to your router.
if you're on wi-fi i am not

SPEAKER_01 (22:52):
yeah it's good uh another segment that we talked
about that i think will be hugeis remember we were talking
about excuse me a question andanswer segment okay so back um i

(23:13):
was saying another segment thati think will be huge that we
discussed and I want you to tellthem about is the question and
answer segment.

SPEAKER_00 (23:22):
Oh,

SPEAKER_01 (23:23):
yeah.
What will they be able to do?

SPEAKER_00 (23:26):
That's the most important thing of Watch After
Dark is when people speak up.
Like if there's people like evenlistening and they want to
unmute on here where they canlisten live, unmute and then ask
a question.
Like, if we have, like, hey,we're going to have a question

(23:46):
and answer kind of, you know,situation, and then they can
come on to here or they canemail ahead of time.
My email is therealrosebundy atgmail.com.
Or, no, not the.
There's no the.
It's just realrosebundy atgmail.com.

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And that's a new one.

UNKNOWN (24:11):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (24:13):
And you can email it if you know my phone number.
Some of you do.
You can tweet it.
Message it on Facebook.
I'd like to have it in one spot.
But a live question and answerwould be great where it's like,

(24:33):
you know, if people want to comein, you know, the link that you
give, we could give the link topeople and then they could come
in.

SPEAKER_01 (24:42):
Yeah, so we'll do it a couple of different ways.
If it's somebody that we trustand know they can come in, like
you said, I can invite them in.
But I haven't even told you thispart yet.
Because we've been talking aboutgoing live, right?

SPEAKER_00 (25:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (25:03):
So I'm going to make it...
I'm in the process of doing itnow.
But there's going to be a waywhere...
we broadcast live over theinternet, anybody in the world
will be able to go to thatwebsite that I give and they'll
be able to listen to us everylive broadcast.

(25:26):
That

SPEAKER_00 (25:26):
would be amazing.
That's nerve-wracking.
Have you ever done that?
It's nerve-wracking.
You never know what's going tohappen.

SPEAKER_01 (25:37):
I've done it for business, but not for this.
It'll go okay.

SPEAKER_00 (25:41):
Yeah, it'll be fun.
Yeah.
It'll be fun.
It'll be, like, who knows?
It'll be different every time.
Like, you know, we're not one...
We are not one-hit wonders.
And so, Watcher After Dark islike, anything goes and it's
gonna be different every time,which is why, you know, why, you
know, people should, you know,hopefully won't miss an episode.

SPEAKER_01 (26:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (26:03):
But...
It does seem to me like a lot ofpeople that I know that were a
part of the original Watch AfterDark have moved on and gotten
closure.
Like, they're like, oh, no, youknow what?
I don't need to be an apostateanymore.
You know, I'm doing my ownthing.
I'm doing something else.

(26:24):
You know, I'm doing my job.
I'm doing this.
I'm doing that.
And that is so good to see.
That's why I want to do itagain, because of those people,
like when you publicly cry infront of a bunch of people, you
know, like when you, you know,there's major, sorry, there's

(26:45):
major closure to that.
It makes you feel good.
And then you can say to, youknow, to your mom and your dad,
you can be like, no, why don'tyou go listen to me cry about
you on six screens of thewatchtower?
You know, go listen to how I'mballing, how I'm flipping out.
Oh, how you think I'm crazy.

(27:08):
And people even say, like, theydon't want to be called a
mentally diseased apostate.
But the fact is, is that I admitit.
And who made me that way?
You know, they did.
They completely mind screw you.
And when you get mind screwed,well, guess what happens?

(27:31):
You know, they do make us crazy.
I'll say they make me completelyinsane.
Those people make me insane,man.
Like, I just, woo, insane.
So thanks a lot, Jehovah'sWitnesses.
Like, you made me insane.
You like it?
I recorded it, Mitch.
Did you see?
What?

(27:53):
I got another court order shot.
of Abilify.
Because I haven't talked aboutit on the thing.
I'll tell you the good becausethat's, you know, it's our first
washer after dark.
So anyway, what it was July 4, Iwent for the assembly.

(28:15):
And I wanted to Taylor Swift abunch of brothers, you know, I
wanted to play Taylor Swift andI wanted to see sexy Jesus and
they were inviting me.
So I was like, okay, yeah, sure.
I'll go.
I want to go.
I'll sit quiet.
I was not going to make a scene.
I wasn't.
And so, um, I go in for thefirst whole first of the session

(28:40):
of July 4th, which was Friday.
Um, I was fine.
I recorded.
I'm sure they didn't like it.
But I was quiet.
And I was talking andchit-chatting, just making
friends.
I was not...
I was not apostatizing atanyone.
At anyone.

(29:01):
And somebody I knew, ScottStark, came up and was causing
trouble.
My former best man at mywedding.
Um...
He wanted to know what myintentions were for being at the
assembly.
I'm like, shut up, Scott.
Like, shut up.
You know, just like you, shutup, Scott.

(29:23):
You know?
And then it got to be, so it wasthis big, giant scene.
Not my fault.
Their fault.
I was fine.
You know, my, you know, my pastwas there.
And my past didn't like it thatI was there.
And, um...

(29:44):
So I went back on Sunday to callthe cops because I wanted the
cops to know what happened onFriday of them coming up all on
me and stuff.
And when I called them, when Iwas explaining what they did,
you know, explaining whathappened at the assembly, they

(30:05):
thought I was insane.
And then, you know why theythought I was insane?

SPEAKER_01 (30:11):
What?

SPEAKER_00 (30:12):
They didn't even believe there was a convention
at the TCC that day.
Because I was like a little bit,there were so few cars.
They're like, what Jehovah'sWitness convention?
I'm like that one, but therewere so few, no cars, nothing.

(30:33):
They're like, there's noJehovah's Witness convention
going on.
And I'm like, yeah, there is,but I got mistaken as a crazy
person because I was ranting andraving about Jehovah's
Witnesses.
And word of warning, like,especially the females, if

(30:54):
you're in a situation like thatand you're crying and you're
upset about what they've doneand you say, you know, I was
abused and I was trafficked.
And that's the Jehovah'sWitnesses.
Look at those Jehovah's Witnesssuits.
If you quote Taylor Swift, thenyou, you know, because we do
that.
She wrote that song for us, youknow.

(31:15):
Well, she wrote it for them, tostick it to them, but for us.
And the cops don't know.
And when they see that kindof...
Passion.
They mistake it sometimes forsomeone being insane, I guess.
I don't know.
It was upsetting.
So when I was being an activistand just doing what I normally

(31:39):
do, the cops misunderstoodbecause I was by myself.
Normally I would take a crew.
I did not have a crew.
My crew wasn't there.
It was just me.
And when it was just me, um, Ithink there were other
protesters and we were allspread apart.

(32:00):
So I got court ordered to takemedication because I'm an
apostate against the Jehovah'sWitnesses.
Wow.
That I need medication for myviews of apostasy towards the
Jehovah's Witnesses.
That they feel my feelings,which are the same as yours...

(32:26):
You know, how we feel, how everyapostate feels about the
witnesses.
That certain cops and doctorshere in Tucson, psychiatrists,
feel that mine and your feelingsare crazy and that we shouldn't
feel that way and we needmedication so that we won't feel

(32:46):
that way.
Wow.
That I need Abilify because I'mmad about being shunned.

UNKNOWN (32:56):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (32:56):
which Dr.
Nima, and I forget what theother doctor's name is at COPE,
you know, when it comes out,that, like, oh, I need an
antidepressant because I'mdepressed because my family
shunned me and are dead?
Thanks.
No, I don't need...

(33:17):
I would like them to stopabusing me because I took
medicine for years thinking thattheir behavior was my fault and
that that's how we got here isthat I took meds to deal with
how they treated me.
And then I realized I don't needmeds.
They need meds.

(33:39):
And now, I mean, getting thatshot of Abilify, I mean, to you,
any of you, you know what thatfelt like.
Of getting a shot in your butt.
Because the doctor thinks thatyou're either psychotic because
you're ranting and raving aboutbeing shunned by your Jehovah's
Witness family.

(34:00):
Or that you're depressed.
And I'm not a depressed person.
I'm funny and in a good mood.
But that like I'm havingdelusions of being shunned.
That that's psychosis that theydon't talk to me and that they
do what they do.
That everything that I say nowis everything I said to them,
everything I've ever said, youknow.

(34:22):
And that's a shame that thereare psychiatrists and police
officers that don't understandthe apostate Jehovah's Witness
situation with how many, youknow, millions are affected
right now.
Especially with all the murdersthey're dealing with.
Jehovah's Witness murders allover the place.

(34:44):
Orsons of Kingdom Halls, evenhere in town and stuff, and
Kingdom Halls getting shot upthat the cops don't know that
there's an apostate.
And maybe that's their...
that's there at this point afterCOVID, that's their way of
dealing with it, is that to dealwith what's going on with the

(35:07):
witnesses because it's goinghaywire.
They're blaming it on apostates,that the apostates really are
nuts.
Some of them.
Some of them understand, some ofthem don't.
So just beware.
I don't want anybody else endingup, because of apostasy, ending
up, you know, behind bars or inyou know in a mental hospital

SPEAKER_01 (35:31):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (35:32):
because it is getting dire like it is it's
getting where i mean it'sgetting dire where they're
freaking out and and when thecops do show up like they're
sick of showing up too whereit's like some of you is all
gonna go to jail who's it gonnabe like they're tired of being
called yeah mean i did sixmonths in jail for it already i

(35:55):
did six months from january 23to june 23.
oh wow and then the three and ahalf weeks of whatever month it
was what was it july i forgetsometime in in july because this

(36:17):
is my second shot it's atwo-month shot so whatever That
would be.
And it's sad that it's like, oh,you just need a shot to deal
with your Jehovah's Witnessfamily.
You just need a shot in yourass.
Nice.
Okay.
Give me a shot.

(36:38):
Give me a shot.
That's going to bring my momback.
That's gonna make my stepdad orgrandson not a psychopath.
That's gonna bring Aunt Jessicaback from the grave.
Is that gonna bring Uncle Clyde?
I hope not.
But you know, like with UncleClyde, because he's a pedo.
You know, is that gonna makeUncle Brent not behind bars?
Is that just give me a shot, youknow?

(37:02):
I don't even know what to say.
You know, they talk about agrave injustice.
And the cops also don't know, Icall it Watchtower PTSD, where,
I'm sure you've had WatchtowerPTSD and you don't even know it.
It's when you start to rant andrave.

(37:24):
When you start to rant and raveabout Watchtower, one way or
another, Whether it be justranting and raving or whatever
that looks like.

SPEAKER_01 (37:40):
And

SPEAKER_00 (37:40):
again, the ranting and raving gets out of control
where you start to gethysterical and you start to cry,
you know, which is sometimeswhat happened on Watchtower
After Dark was that we weredealing with our Watchtower PTSD
and we would have our PTSD onair and kind of it was easy

(38:05):
because you could have ptsd in ain a or deal with the ptsd and
address it in a safe environmentwhere everybody would understand
but uh the ranting and ravingcan sometimes get out of control
where you can just be in a heapof of an emotional cry fest of

(38:28):
of being um you know, so upsetthat you can't even think
straight.
And, and I want to, I don't wantpeople to go through that alone.
Cause if it happens to me, I'mthe most level-headed human
killed person.
And I'm one of the mostwell-known XJW online, which I'm

(38:50):
easily Google-able where I cansay to an officer, dude, Google
me.
You know, and if they Google me,they'll find me with somebody
else who just says, I watchYouTube videos, you know, that
they're not Google-able, youknow, where it's like, so what,
you watch YouTube videos andthen you're doing this because

(39:11):
you watch YouTube, you know,like it could happen to other
people and I just

SPEAKER_01 (39:16):
don't want it to.
I feel you.

SPEAKER_00 (39:20):
Because, yeah, it's not fun.

SPEAKER_01 (39:22):
Yeah.
Another segment that i will likea lot is you have a plan that
there will be a gossip segment

SPEAKER_00 (39:37):
oh yeah well the whole giant thing is gossip the
watchtower after dark it mightas well be called gossip gossip
gossip like it's just triple ghere

SPEAKER_01 (39:56):
We're going to be speaking truth also.

SPEAKER_00 (40:00):
Well, that's the thing, is that it's the gossip
about the Jehovah's Witnesses,but every gossip about the
Witnesses is always true.
It's always 100% true.
So, you know, gossip is thatyou're...
Okay, okay.
You know, I just realized this.
The thing with Jehovah'sWitnesses is that gossip in the

(40:21):
Witnesses is always, always...
100% true.
Unlike in some other situationwhere gossip could be a lie,

SPEAKER_01 (40:36):
they

SPEAKER_00 (40:38):
will gossip the truth to each other.
Like, well, you know, the realreason why brother so-and-so got
disfellowshipped is because theywere wife swapping or because he
cheated on her or because ofthat.
You know, you find out and it'sthe gossip, but you know, the

(41:00):
gossip's true.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (41:01):
it

SPEAKER_00 (41:03):
always is.
Oh, you

SPEAKER_01 (41:06):
mean to tell me there was a wife swapping in the
Jehovah's Witness coat?

SPEAKER_00 (41:11):
You know, I know.
It's called just gettingremarried like that.
You know, you know what I

SPEAKER_01 (41:19):
mean?

SPEAKER_00 (41:20):
Where people get divorced.
Then they, you know, whereyou're in the same congregation
and one couple gets divorced,another couple gets divorced and
then, oh, you know, and theymove off every time.
It's always every, everyremarriage is always a white
swap.
If you're with, you know,Divorced Jehovah's Witnesses.

SPEAKER_01 (41:45):
Wow.
Will you get into, like,throughout the episodes, will
you get into, like, each one,can you tell a little bit about
your story?
Yeah.
Like, would you feel comfortabledoing it?

SPEAKER_00 (42:01):
Would I what?

SPEAKER_01 (42:02):
Would you feel comfortable doing it?

SPEAKER_00 (42:05):
Yeah.
Yeah, just kind of like talkingabout it little bits by little
bits as I remember it, you knowwhat I mean?

UNKNOWN (42:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (42:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (42:15):
Because there's a lot I haven't even talked about.
And sometimes I will sit forhours and I'll be journaling of
like, even like when you'relittle, you know, it's like, you
know, I remember these events,which one happened first?
You know, I remember, you know,like, remember when we went to
Disneyland and then you do thisand then you go to the Grand

(42:36):
Canyon and you do all that andgoing through pictures?

UNKNOWN (42:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (42:40):
you know and so you know getting everything exact

SPEAKER_01 (42:46):
yeah i think that'll be great because uh sometimes
you we're talking and you'retelling me stories and my mouth
is just like dropped open oh soi think it would be nice i think
it'd be nice for everyone like isaid just a little each episode
if you give them too much ithink it'll blow their heads up
yeah with some of the stuff youtell me like sometimes i need

(43:13):
time to recoup

SPEAKER_00 (43:14):
yeah well you know i just want people to always
remember like the reason whyyour dad acted the way like if
you were raised by a jehovah'switness father like you just
have to look at mine either mystepdad arden hansen or ted
bundy you know just a guythinking he's You know, perfect.

(43:39):
Being an elder and a specialpioneer, but having a severe
pornography addiction, and thenit turns homicidal just before
75 because he loses his mind.
You know, of the way he acts, ifyou go, I went back, I couldn't
look, you know, and I've beenlooking.
And, you know, I could gothrough it second by second.

(44:04):
and be like but think you thinkof it of that he was covering up
the fact that he was a jehovah'switness because the witnesses
were all backing him too andthen they were like we'll back
you as long as you don't speakbad about the witnesses we'll be
there for you wow and we wereuntil he got found guilty, you

(44:28):
know?
And then that was a differentstory.
And also the fake way that hewould lie, you know, of like
laughing and, you know, like, Ididn't fornicate with that
sister, you know, just, youknow, like there was one.

(44:51):
Where's my camera?
Is it right?
Yeah, it's right there.
Okay.
Where he's like, you know, like,I didn't, you know, I didn't
fornicate with that brother.
I didn't fornicate with him atall.
You know, like, you know, and helooks at me and he's like, nah,

(45:12):
I didn't fornicate with him atall.
You know?
No.
You know, but it's like he wasjust lying through his teeth.
And you could tell he was lying.
And if you say, no, that's aJehovah's Witness guy lying,
it's like, oh, you know.
Like, oh, yeah, he's lying in areal Jehovah's Witness kind of
way.
You know, he is.

(45:35):
Just the way it's like leaningup against the wall like, no, I
swear.
Where's the Bible?
Where's the Bible?
I'm a good Jehovah.
Where's the Bible?
I swear on a Bible right now.
Like that, you know.
You're going to disfellowshipme?
you know wow it was like

SPEAKER_01 (45:53):
talking about the one what what's arguing you say
and so that that's kind of whatlanded down

SPEAKER_00 (46:02):
stepdad

SPEAKER_01 (46:03):
yeah yeah yeah

SPEAKER_00 (46:04):
yeah no i'm talking about my dad ted bundy

SPEAKER_01 (46:08):
oh okay

SPEAKER_00 (46:09):
that's why when he's like against the wall he's like
okay you know And then he goes,I'll swear, I'll swear, I'll
swear, I'm innocent, I'll swearon the second Bible.
So I was like, that's soJehovah's Witness to do.
It's just so, it's realJehovah's Witness to do.
And to represent yourself incourt.

(46:31):
You know, I was like, oh, I'm anelder, I'll represent myself in
court.
You know?
And then that was the whole, itwas like, no, us brothers will
help you.
We'll help you.
You can represent yourself incourt.
You know, if people knew, they'dbe shocked.

(46:51):
They would be real shocked.
You know, and it's like, I don'tknow.
We can talk about all of that.
But my stepdad, Arden Hanson,he's just like him.
They're like two, they lookalike, they talk alike, they act

(47:12):
alike, they're like twins, likethey're twins.
Mom had a type, but she had atype and it drove him nuts.
Yeah, it drove him nuts seeingher with him.
All the women that he killed,you know, had, well, they had

(47:34):
like my hair like parted downthe center and long.
um they had hair like mom theyall look like mom they all look
like me you know and so that'suh that's disconcerting too to
just be like god you know who ishe who is he murdering and i
know why but i don't know it'sweird to talk about yeah

SPEAKER_01 (47:58):
there will be a lot to talk about and unpack on each
episode yeah i'm looking

SPEAKER_00 (48:06):
forward What?

SPEAKER_01 (48:09):
I'm looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_00 (48:11):
I know, me too.
I can't believe, I'm just so,I'm so relieved and excited to
have the show back.
You know, my grandpa's excited.
He's like, yeah.
And he can give the prayerafterwards.
I'll give the prayer.
She's the, you know, I have aprayer to Aunt Jehovah.

(48:34):
Uncle Tony will show up.
I've got all these characters.
Yeah.
Put

SPEAKER_01 (48:41):
the hat back on.
I like the

SPEAKER_00 (48:43):
hat.
It's very Britney Spears, isn't

SPEAKER_01 (48:45):
it?
You know what?
I was just about to tell you.
You look like you're about todrop off into a song

SPEAKER_00 (48:53):
and act.
Yeah, what is it?
I can't do it.
Yeah, go ahead and hit me onemore time, Mark.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (49:01):
Oops.

SPEAKER_00 (49:03):
Yeah.
Go ahead and hit me one moretime.
Yeah, just come up.
We can do it.
Go ahead.
Like to see you try.

SPEAKER_01 (49:14):
I think when you do the question and answer segment,
you need to have them to be

SPEAKER_00 (49:21):
efficient.
Okay.
I know.
Now I know what Grandpa wore.
It's snazzy.
I can't even see.
Is it snazzy?
I liked it at the thing.
I feel, oh, I'm like aleprechaun.
Oh, I match gauge Fliega.
Look at me, Fliega.
We're like little twinsies.
No, I feel I look fat in aturtleneck, but.

SPEAKER_01 (49:44):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (49:45):
Because, okay, well, my camera, know that it goes
wide.
Why does it go wide?
Like, it makes me look wide.
But wearing a turtleneck, oh, myGod.
i can't be going around iremember one time i had a
turtleneck dress and aturtleneck dress that i wore to

(50:07):
the kingdom hop so it was likethis

SPEAKER_01 (50:09):
yeah and

SPEAKER_00 (50:12):
it was stripes like this

SPEAKER_01 (50:14):
and

SPEAKER_00 (50:15):
it was tight and i swear to god i think all the
brothers died they can't evenhandle a turtleneck oh because
you know why One of the sistershad said to me, I had heard
behind the scenes, you know, itwouldn't hurt you to wear a

(50:37):
turtleneck every once in awhile.
Because I would wear, like, youknow.
Oh, boy.
And I don't think she knew,like, who I was.
And I'm like, I can't wear aturtleneck, but I'll wear a
turtleneck for you if you wantme to.
And I had this turtleneck dress.

(50:58):
I thought I almost died.
I left my body.
I walk in, it was tight as youget.
I was like maybe 110 pounds, butI had like, you know, and I'm
like, and her name was IdaMcGee.
Okay, from Tucson, Arizona, oldlady Ida McGee, sister Ida
McGee.
And she was like, it wouldn'thurt you to wear a turtleneck

(51:19):
every once in a while.
I'm like, okay, I'll wear aturtleneck.
And I walked in wearing aturtleneck, and she goes, what
an obscene, you look obscene ina turtleneck.

SPEAKER_01 (51:32):
Why did she ask you to wear it?

SPEAKER_00 (51:34):
Because she thought it would hide my cleavage.
You know how weird they are of,you know, being, you know, of
the things we've even had todeal with as females of dealing
with cleavage, blitz, spaghettistraps.
And I would then, it's like,okay, I'll wear a turtleneck.

(51:57):
So I wear a turtleneck and I getall weird.
I got all weird.
And I'm like, oh, you know.
Remember Elaine when she takesGeorge's face and she just rubs
it, you know.
It's like, here, Ida McGee, justturtleneck, you know, just so
you can't breathe.
This is terrible.

SPEAKER_01 (52:19):
You wore a turtleneck plus stripes.
You probably have brothers goinghome doing naughty things.

SPEAKER_00 (52:34):
Worshiping at the Shining Smart Girl.
Oh, you got to see my othercoat.
Hold on.
It's right here.
It's the most ugly, but it'sgorgeous.
It's amazing.
It's a little tight, so I didn'twear it.
It's polyester, and it's tan.

(52:56):
Look at that.
Look at the polyester pockets.
It's just, oh, you can't,because it's just, look at the
lapel.
Look at that.
Just turtleneck, polyester.
I can't even be around it,because I was going to wear it,

(53:18):
and I couldn't wear it.
I'm like, I can't wear this, Ican't wear this.
There's certain clothes I can'twear.

SPEAKER_01 (53:24):
No, I like what you're wearing

SPEAKER_00 (53:28):
now.
Okay.
I feel like it's St.
Patrick's Day.
Is it St.
Patrick's Day?
Oh, lucky charms.
The fruit, what is it?
The luck of the rainbow.
The luck of the rainbow.
Oh, lucky.

(53:48):
You know what?
The drinking game should be theword lucky.

SPEAKER_01 (53:53):
Lucky.
Lucky what?

SPEAKER_00 (53:59):
Oh, lucky.
We're so lucky.
Mm-hmm.
Shout out to all the people oniHeartRadio if they're
listening.

SPEAKER_01 (54:08):
For real,

SPEAKER_00 (54:11):
yeah.
Glad to see you're listening toWatchtower After Dark with Smirk
Girl and Mitch.
yeah

SPEAKER_01 (54:21):
it's gonna be a fun ride

SPEAKER_00 (54:25):
yeah

SPEAKER_01 (54:26):
especially

SPEAKER_00 (54:27):
like i keep forgetting that there are people
that haven't heard my storybefore yeah

SPEAKER_01 (54:33):
i've been

SPEAKER_00 (54:33):
telling it for years you know um

SPEAKER_01 (54:36):
okay

SPEAKER_00 (54:39):
yeah for me well it's like for me you know it's
been like already like a 10-yearjourney where I have been
telling my story for 10 yearsalready and documenting and
recording along the way toestablish, like I will say

(55:00):
something and then I will go tothe person, secretly record
them, like to get the evidenceto back up everything that I've
said.
So like if I say something andthen I would go to my stepdad
and record them, you know.
Um, so I've been telling mystory for 10 years, you know,

(55:21):
and, and if people are just nowwaking up from the Jehovah's
witnesses, um, you missed a lot.

SPEAKER_01 (55:30):
Yeah.
I'm pulling in, I'm pulling innew recruits and they want to
know like, who's this Smurf girlyou talked to?
What is she like?
What is she about?
So, and I don't know.
That's

SPEAKER_00 (55:40):
like saying they don't know who Lloyd Evans is.

SPEAKER_01 (55:43):
I'm going to get you to tell.
Well, you got to remember, Keepin mind, some of these are
young.

SPEAKER_00 (55:48):
But still, you know, it's like not knowing who Kim
and Mikey are.
You know, there's like Lloyd,Kim and Mikey, JT, Lady C, me,
and the six friends.

SPEAKER_01 (55:59):
They don't know all of these names.
That's why I say it'll be goodfor you to each episode to just
talk a little bit about you andwhere you come from.

SPEAKER_00 (56:08):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (56:08):
What made Smurf Girl...
I've

SPEAKER_00 (56:13):
been an apostate since 82.
You know, I'm a legend.
Like, I'm a legend.
I'm in the urban legenddictionary.
Like, you know, not to be like,you know, it's like, hey, JW
voice, JW voice, if you don'tknow who demonized Smurf girl,
the Jehovah's Witnesses, youknow, the demonized girl running

(56:34):
down the aisle of Kingdom Hall,jumping up on a chair and
declaring her love for Satanand, you know, demonized Smurf
urban legend, well, you need towake up a little farther.
you know wake up and get withthe program i'm not gonna retell
certain things to know j dubslike you need to know just

(56:56):
google google me they can googlemany different ways because i
don't want to hear otherpeople's story i'm already you
know In the dictionary.
I am in the dictionary under XJWSmurf Girl and Smurf Girl, where
it's like when you get SmurfGirl.

SPEAKER_01 (57:17):
When you sent me the Urban Dictionary, I was laughing
because of the example sentence.
I got Smurfed.

SPEAKER_00 (57:26):
Smurf Girl, yeah, yeah.
You get Smurf Girl.
When you get Smurf Girl, gettingSmurf Girl is getting Uncle
Tony.
When it's called getting UncleTony.

SPEAKER_01 (57:36):
I'm like, she would not need to hear this.

SPEAKER_00 (57:40):
Yeah, it is a term.
Worshiping at the Shrine ofSmurf Girl is jerking off to my
pictures in the magazines.
I hate that.
No, I kind of like it now.
I'm almost, almost, oh my God.
I'm almost up to 4,000 brothersup on JW Match.

(58:02):
Almost.
Almost.
And I was ignoring it.
Like I was leaving it.
Okay.
I didn't pay any attention tothem.
So I've been paying attention.
Okay.
For like however many months,like 12 months I've been doing
it.
12 months, I got to 3,000.
Then I'm like, I wonder if Iwould get any more if I paid
attention to them.

(58:22):
Like, you know, if I like likethem, because you can like them,
you can heart them.
And so I went, it took 12 monthsto get zero to 3,000.
And it took one day, like maybetwo, to get 500 more.
To get 500 more.
But I liked a few of them.

SPEAKER_01 (58:42):
These are Jehovah's Witness, like active Jehovah's
Witness men.

SPEAKER_00 (58:47):
Yeah, all Jehovah's Witness men for the most part.

SPEAKER_01 (58:49):
What's your name on there?

SPEAKER_00 (58:51):
Vanessa.

SPEAKER_01 (58:53):
So they don't know?

SPEAKER_00 (58:55):
Oh, yeah, they know.
Yeah.
And then they friend me onFacebook and they send me dick
pics.
But they do.
They do.
I don't ask for it.
They're like, hi, sister.
And I'm like, oh, hi.

SPEAKER_01 (59:09):
Wait, wait, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_00 (59:11):
What?
I post them on the internet.

SPEAKER_01 (59:15):
The Jehovah's Witness men, active Jehovah's
Witnesses from JW Match, theywill find you on Facebook, chat
you up, And then send it to me.

SPEAKER_00 (59:29):
Yeah.
Without me even replying.
Like, hi, sister.
Hi, sister.
I love you.
I love you.
Blah, blah, blah.
And then they'll send one.
And then they'll usually ask meto marry them.
Without me even replying.
And then I'll look and I'll say,oh, it's a Jehovah's Witness

(59:51):
brother.
How funny.
So then I screenshot it.
And like when Taylor Swift'ssong came out, I was Jehovah's
Witness suiting them.
And I was doing the picture ofthem and their message to me.
And that was, you know, I got onbeing a top fan of hers because
I was Taylor Swifting over andover.

(01:00:14):
And I didn't even do all of thembecause it got boring.
It got boring.
But, you know, as an example, myAunt Jessica...
When she met Uncle Clyde on JWMatch.
That's why I wanted to do it.
And she was excited.

(01:00:34):
She goes, no, I got like 50different matches.
And then I chose like out of 50guys, Uncle Clyde was the best
choice.
They got a 50, 5-0.
So I'm like, well, if I do it,how many will I get?
Her sister got like 100.
So I'm thinking, well, if I canbeat 100, I'll feel better about

(01:00:54):
myself.
You know, now I'm at like 3,600later.
You know, some are from here intown, which I think is funny.
But I've got more followers onJW Match.
than I do on YouTube

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:15):
right

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:17):
now.
That would be what, three timesmore?

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:20):
Yeah, some dirty birdies, wow.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:23):
Well, yeah.
And then I put, you know, I putmy Uncle Tony thinks I'm funny.
You know, like my bio.
I'm like, yeah, my Uncle Tonythinks I'm funny.
And I love beards and pants andSmurfs.
And so I made it very clear thatI'm smurf girl, you know,

(01:01:44):
because I couldn't say it.
But, you know, that like I'm agirl that really is into smurfs.
You know, hint, hint, hint, I'ma girl really into smurf.
You know, and I love to dosocial media.
And why don't you reach out tome?
And like, you know, they do.
And then, you know, and you knowwhat's funny?

(01:02:11):
I block them and I ditch thembecause I don't even care.
I don't even care.
Most people be like, no, you'vegot them in your ear.
I'm like, I don't even care.
They can just watch me on here.
I don't care.
So

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:24):
why do you do it?
Just to bother them?

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:29):
What?

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:30):
Why do you do it?
Just to bother them?

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:33):
Yeah.
It's not just on my bedpost.
On my GDW match post.
Just to see how many are onthere and what can happen.
And it's just funny.
I think it's hysterical.
And they get all excited toowhen I heart them.
When I heart them, all of asudden they'll send me a message

(01:02:53):
and then I ignore it.
So I like to break their heartand be like, just ignore.
I ghost them.
I heart them and then they sendme a message and then I ghost
them.
And it makes me feel good.
It's like, no, you stupid fool.
Uncle Clyde was on JW Match.
So I'm just dealing with a bunchof stupid Uncle Clydes.

(01:03:17):
Do I care about a bunch of UncleClydes on JW Match?
No.
There are some handsome ones,though, but they're too stupid
for me.
I'm a member of Mensa.
I can't be dealing with a guy.
He said, oh, he's a member ofMensa.
Rose Bundy's a member of Mensa.

(01:03:38):
So where did you meet yourhusband?
Oh, I met him on JW Match.
I was skimming the bottom of thebucket.
Just the bottom, scraping thebottom of the barrel.
The bottom of the barrel is ifyou've even been on Grindr to

(01:03:59):
find a husband.
Last resort, JW Match.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:06):
Your profile picture, you should take a
picture of you in the turtleneckand the hat.
That should be your profilepicture.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:15):
Oh, in the

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:17):
hat?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:17):
I've got Uncle Tony.
I'm dressed up.
No, this is my profile pictureright now.
is me dressed up with the cuteone with the tie undone and the
hat, the pretty one.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:30):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:32):
The cute one, not the ugly one of me pretending to
be Uncle Tony, but when I wasbeing cute about it.
The cute one.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:39):
Okay, all

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:41):
right.
No, I put my Uncle Tony pictureas my profile picture of me with
my Uncle Tony hat.
and the tie around my neck andmy like tank top.
It's cute and they allowed it.
Some photos they won't allow.
So it was like, oh, they allowit.

(01:05:03):
So I'm like excited.
I've got my red, white and bluemini ears.
I've got some pictures on there.
I think it's the most number oneprofile.
I want to know the stats.
JW match, am I your number onematch?
You know.

(01:05:23):
I want to know what they thinkbecause there have been some
photos where they're like, wecan't allow this photo.
And it's like, why?
Please?
And then they'll deny it.
I think everybody should go onthere.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:42):
You might blow the Jehovah's Witness little brains
up.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:47):
where it's like, and then they start looking into me,
and then they're like, oh, no,that's that apostate girl, you
know, that's that apostatewoman.
They get their hopes up, youknow, get their hopes up on me,
and then it's dashed, and it'slike, am I worth leaving Jehovah

(01:06:08):
for?
Will you leave Jehovah for me?
There are some...
good looking ones but i knowthey're worldly i know they're
worldly worldly

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:26):
why do you think they're worldly

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:28):
because they're too good looking

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:31):
so are you are you saying there are no good looking
witness guys

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:37):
if they're good looking they're going to be
worldly it's a kingdom huh thoseare the ones the good looking
ones are the ones you can easilyget to leave The
not-so-good-looking ones.
You know?
It's like, oh, you know what?
I should just go to the hall andjust be like, oh, I know why all
you brothers are left becauseyou're all the ugly ones.

(01:06:57):
I hate those brothers at thispoint.
Let's just watch her after darkwhere you get to say your
feelings.
I know.
That's just my feelings, Mitch.
It's my feelings.
And it's not that they'rephysically ugly.
It's that they're ugly from theinside.

(01:07:18):
And they're just inside uglythat if they have not woken up
by now, I don't know of what wehave gone through as an apostate
group of what I have personallyseen over the years on the
internet.
You know, because it wasdifferent before the internet.

(01:07:40):
Yeah.
Of what we went through over theinternet for...
Like, we went through hell.
People were murdered.
People killed themselves.
People killed each other.
People went to jail.
People spent all their money.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:07):
And for anyone who woke up to do, we spent all of
our money and people diedbecause for Beards and Pants and
Uncle Tony.
And for anyone who woke up afterthe beards and pants and uncle
Tony and doesn't go to the oldtimers and say, Hey, I want to

(01:08:28):
thank you for your participationof whatever part you had in, in
doing that whole beards andpants and spending all those
years and all of our money andflying airplane banners to
recognize that it was all theapostates leading up to that
huge thing of what we were doingas an army of a frenzy of a, of

(01:08:49):
just horrendous.
Heroics of a battle of the mostintense Where where we lost our
minds Lloyd lost his mind.
I lost my mind a bunch of otherpeople lost their minds Over it
like it was mind-blowing Thatwhat we did was so intense of

(01:09:09):
screaming and crying and peoplewere dying and it was it was it
was the most monumental thingthat And then it's like a bunch
of people all of a sudden, oh,what happened?
Oh, yeah, we left.
It's like, oh, well, were youwatching the chaos of all the
people that died?
You know, while we were tryingto wake everybody up, a bunch of

(01:09:35):
people died.
And a bunch of us, we spentmillions of dollars total,
billions of hours to get thosepeople out.
safe and i i personally you knowi know what hero is all those

(01:10:00):
before beards and pants anduncle tony apostates are
including lloyd like includingincluding irritating lloyd that
that was a heroic act and i meanit was heroic it was intense it
was insane And we did it.

(01:10:24):
And it was anti-climatic too,because we all then, all of us
apostates that were waiting anddid it all, because it was every
apostate that did it.
We did it as a whole.
And then when it happened, itwas a mass exodus, and those
people that mass exited didn'tunderstand what we had all done.

(01:10:49):
I'm sure a lot of people, youknow, where it's like, no, I
mean, it was, it was us gettingon the phone and crying and, and
screaming and murders and peoplewere killing themselves and
killing their whole families andshooting up kingdom halls one

(01:11:10):
after the other, after theother.
And it's still happening.
But it was really happeningthen, like arson after arson
after arson after arson after,you know, somebody goes up and
shoots up the Kingdom Hall andPutin is dragging people, you
know.
It was intense.
You know, it was me having tocall the cops every few days of

(01:11:33):
what happened and then I'drecognize somebody of the amount
of investigations I was a partof.
Even the witnesses around about,the witnesses were even round
about involved with the KyleRittenhouse case just through

(01:11:55):
knowing, you know, of that waseven involved with that.
Like there was, there's a lot ofcases of where there happens to
be a Jehovah's Witness involvedin a lot of crimes.
and then i'll see them andrecognize them in the news and
i'll be like oh i know who thatis you know and they'll be like

(01:12:18):
yes interesting and then i'llcall up and i'll help

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:23):
there i think there will be a lot for us to talk
about and unpack on each episode

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:32):
well even the long island serial killer brother rex
huerman he was caught because iknew him he was caught within
two weeks And I finally, I wasperusing through and I was able
to help him.
And he's a Jehovah's Witness.
He hasn't gone out in court.
He might not ever, but he'sindeed a Jehovah's Witness.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:53):
What was he doing?

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:56):
He's a Long Island serial killer.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:01):
When was he active?

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:03):
Just up until recently.
He's been active for like 35years or more.
Who knows?
Yeah, the Long Island serialkiller out of Gilgo Beach.
He's a brother.
He's a Jehovah's Witness.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:15):
Wow.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:17):
And I knew who it was.
I was trying to remember hisname.
I couldn't remember his name.
I knew who he was.
And then when Uncle Brentsnapped, I was like, oh, God.
And with Uncle Brent, then theycaught Long Island.
And it was because he's aJehovah's Witness, too.
but he's claiming that he's notguilty.
So he's not going to, you know,that it'll probably take a long

(01:13:40):
time for that to come out.
If ever, who knows, but I'msaying it, there was a belt and
there were some other things of,I said, he's a Jehovah's
witness.
Here's this belt.
Whoops.
My, my phone's about to go dead.
Um, and I gave them the tip andI was working with some

(01:14:02):
producers and, uh, called in theFBI, and then within two weeks
he was caught.
And I know that I'm the one thatdid it because the guy who I was
tipping on, Brother Heuermann,is the one who was arrested.

(01:14:22):
Like, I'm like, he wore a bigbaggy suit.
He was big lug of a guy.
He was a big lug.
And I can't remember his name.
But he, like, lived right acrossthe street.
And he was just inside about,you know, and I described it.
I just couldn't remember hisname.
And then when they showed him,I'm like, that's him.

(01:14:45):
And so they got him.

UNKNOWN (01:14:48):
Wow.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:49):
Mm hmm.
So we'll see how that goes.
I don't know.
They probably need me totestify, but who knows?

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:59):
Yeah, you got to keep us posted on that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:02):
I want to wrap this episode up.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:06):
All right.
Sounds like a plan.
It was good.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:09):
How can I reach you?

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:12):
Um, you can go to my YouTube, XJWSmurfGirlRoseBundy,
on Twitter and Instagram, it'sall the same.
On Facebook, oh, go toWatcherAfterDirk.com, and, uh,
yeah, just go to all thosedifferent, you know, XJW Smurf

(01:15:36):
girl.
I had to start over.
So I'm on my third Instagram,third TikTok.
So if you think you'resubscribed, you're not.
Because, you know, I'm alwayspushing the limits.
You know, it's like you canalways start over.
You know, it's like I wanted tosay what I needed to say.
Even if it got me bannedtemporarily.
It's like, don't matter.

(01:15:58):
So I'm on my second and thirdaccounts.
So if you think you'resubscribed, you're probably not.
And so please do, because it'shard to start over all the time.
And I promise I'm not going totry and get banned again.
I was kind of trying to getbanned.
Like, what does it take?
What does it take to get bannedaround here, you know?

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:20):
Yeah, we need you around.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:22):
I know, it's weird.
I just disappear, and it's odd.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:27):
So, no, yeah, looking forward to it.
And, man, I'm excited about it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:34):
Can't wait.
Oh, and if you want to be on,just message me.
You can Facebook message me,email me, you know,
realrosebundy.gmail.com.
Yeah, just message me, and wecan have you on, and we can just
talk.
You know, let's talk stuff out,like a form of therapy, too.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:56):
Yeah.
Yeah, so looking forward to it.
Catch us on the...
Podcast platform of your choice.
We push them out and pushepisodes out to over 20
different podcast platforms.
So just look at Watchtower AfterDark with Smurf Girl and Mitch.

(01:17:18):
That's the name on the differentpodcast platforms.
Like she mentioned, iHeartRadio,Apple.
There's so many of them thatwe're on.
So look us up.
All right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:32):
That'd be great.
And we're happy you woke up.
And to you newbies, it's abouttime.
Like, you know, it's about time.
Thank God.
I

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:45):
think when I left, I think we were destined to meet.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:50):
I think so, too.
Yeah.
It's about time you wake up,too, Mitch.
Because you're who I'm talkingabout.
I can say, Mitch...
you should have woke up a longtime ago and i'm disappointed
i'm glad you're well but if youcould woke up like maybe eight
years ago we you know we'd bebig time by now oh we could see

(01:18:11):
about time mitch i'm glad to seeyou though it's about time

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:18):
yeah i am here all right so yes we will see you on
episode two on friday

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:26):
Yay.
It's good to see you guys.
Thanks for joining.
All

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:32):
right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:32):
We'll see you next time.
Love you.
Bye.