Ep. 05 (audio only): WATCHTOWER AFTER DARK - ROSE BUNDY REACTION TO COLLEGE NEW LIGHT - EXJW

Welcome Watchtower After Dark with Rose Bundy. In episode 5 Rose reacts to the governing body update #5 for 2025. This "new light": higher education aka college. For decades it's been a huge no-no for them. Rose gives an emotional reaction to it, and gives us a little tea on Mark Sanderson!

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UNKNOWN (00:00):
Music Playing

SPEAKER_00 (00:35):
I'm a nice smirk girl of the Jehovah's Witnesses.
It's Watchtower After Dark.
I'm Rose Bundy, and this is myco-host, Mitch.
Say hey, Mitch.

SPEAKER_01 (00:50):
Hello, everybody.

SPEAKER_00 (00:51):
It's nice to see everybody.
Oh, my God.
Mitch, I have my chunky sweateron.
Chunky sweater.
Because we're going to be wise.
We had spiritual food, majorspiritual food this morning.
Oh, recovery body update numberfive.

(01:17):
That's five times the spiritualfood as we're used to.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24):
I feel blessed.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
I know.
And it was, oh my God, it waschalkboard David.
David Splane.

UNKNOWN (01:32):
David Splane.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33):
Uncle Kermit the Frog Legsplain.
Oh, my God.
You know, hey, Uncle Kermit,because I know he's watching.
Hey, I miss you.
I

SPEAKER_01 (01:45):
miss him.
He just seemed tired.

SPEAKER_00 (01:50):
Oh, yeah.
You know, and he's fromBreckenridge, Minnesota.
That's how I know him is he washis like home congregation was
Breckenridge, Minnesota.
And so back in the day, he had achalkboard.
That's why I call him ChalkboardDavid.

SPEAKER_01 (02:07):
Oh, my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 (02:08):
Yeah, he upgraded from chalkboard.
Oh, you remember the CircuitOverseer that would always do
the slides?
Back in the 70s and 80s, he'd doslides?
That was him.
Wow.
He was the one.
He'd always do it.
Oh, Brother Splane and hisslideshow.

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for being a circuit overseer.
He was famous for those slides.
And then he'd talk into them,you know, well, this is when we
went, you know.
So yeah, I wanted him so bad tolike me.
I wanted to play with hischalkboard, you know.
Can I clean your eraser'schalkboard, David, please?

(02:53):
You know.

UNKNOWN (02:54):
Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 (02:56):
yeah i've got so i got a soft spot we used to go
for all you can eat crap or allyou can eat frog legs with him
kelly's restaurant uncle kermitthe frog legs plane you know
kelly's restaurant and all youcan eat frog legs he knows see
he knows

SPEAKER_01 (03:15):
oh my goodness you never talk to you uh little
spliny spleen

SPEAKER_00 (03:22):
yeah we're in the same home congregation
breckenridge Gary Bro is fromMinot, North Dakota.

UNKNOWN (03:29):
Oh.

SPEAKER_00 (03:30):
So, yeah, from Minot and Breckenridge and, you know,
all those little Midwest townsand stuff where, you know, good
old boys club when you get oneand you get another.

SPEAKER_01 (03:41):
Now that you're saying Bro, I can see him coming
from there.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (03:44):
Yeah.
Yeah.
From Minot, North Dakota.
And then, like, you know, it'slike old Madison and, you know,
Sisseton and Maynard.
Yeah.
you know sioux falls fargo allaround fargo north dakota area
you know i

SPEAKER_01 (04:01):
love that movie fargo

SPEAKER_00 (04:03):
oh that that's the witnesses in a nutshell it is

SPEAKER_01 (04:07):
wow

SPEAKER_00 (04:09):
because you know you know that bag in fargo with the
million bucks

SPEAKER_01 (04:13):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (04:13):
that's a circuit overseer bag And do you know
every CO bag fits a milliondollars in$100 bundles perfectly
all the way to the top?
If you had a million in cash.

SPEAKER_01 (04:28):
I can see

SPEAKER_00 (04:29):
that.
Yeah, that's a Circa Doce bag.
Who else uses a bag like that?
Back then, Fargo time?
I mean, well, other than astupid Jehovah's Witness, did
anyone else use those type ofbags?
No.

UNKNOWN (04:45):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (04:47):
It was a specialty item.

SPEAKER_01 (04:49):
Yeah, I used to roll it on.

SPEAKER_00 (04:52):
So anyway, okay, number five.
So, okay, if he, just like withStephen Lett, maybe he'll,
hopefully he'll do the broadcastand he'll do, you know, Stephen
Lett did it straight across theboard.
So maybe, you know, Uncle Spleenwill do it, you know.

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I kind of have my, I don't know,this is Uncle Tony's chunky
sweater, because he wants to beall chunky like Raymond Franz.
Remember Raymond Franz being allchunky?
And he was all smart.
Crisis of conscience part two.

(05:33):
Uncle Tony listened right alongwith, I'm sure he was like,
Because you know Uncle Tony hadto have flipped out over today's
broadcast.

SPEAKER_01 (05:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (05:44):
When he's like, he was quoting the Unabomber,
going, you know, the better thecollege, the worse the
education.
That's exactly what TedKaczynski, the Unabomber, said.
You know, so he's quoting theUnabomber.
And after how many years?
You know.

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That's

SPEAKER_01 (06:04):
all he did it.

SPEAKER_00 (06:07):
No, just that college has been frowned upon.

SPEAKER_01 (06:10):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
For decades.

SPEAKER_00 (06:13):
It's a long time.
Because I know, you know, withcollege got frowned upon in the
70s, you know,

SPEAKER_01 (06:23):
all

SPEAKER_00 (06:24):
the serial killing involving colleges.

SPEAKER_01 (06:30):
Especially like when we were teens, they really,
really, they told us to get atrade.

SPEAKER_00 (06:38):
Yeah, building kingdom halls

SPEAKER_01 (06:41):
was your dream.
They were like going tocarpentry or plumbing.
But like you said, it was tobuild kingdom halls.

SPEAKER_00 (06:49):
Yeah, learn how to print magazines.
That's all you need.
Just print magazines.
You'll be good.
You know?
Learn how to crank.
Do mops.
You know?

SPEAKER_01 (07:05):
I must say, people...
asked me what did I think wasgoing to be next.
College slipped my mind.
I didn't even think aboutcollege.
I was saying birthday.

SPEAKER_00 (07:17):
Yeah.
Yeah, I was thinking, I wasn'texpecting anything.
Like, was I expecting anything?
I don't know.
I'm just too mad.
Like, you know, talk aboutreparations.
You know, people talk about, youknow, reparations.
We deserve, what are thereparations of, because I know

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even my stepdad, Arden Hansen,gave up a college baseball
career and a scholarship toSpecial Pioneer and stuff for
75.
Wow.
So, and he, you know, he couldpitch like nobody's business.
And so even he, who would be 71,the 71-year-old generation gave

(08:08):
up college.
And then our generation, becausewe were like the same age, gave
it up.
Then there would be my child isin her 20s.
And so she did not because shewas, you know, at that point not

(08:29):
raised a witness.
But, you know, I know somepeople's has.
So that's at least threegenerations in my family that I
know of other cousins who havegiven it up to.
Of like, you know what I thinkthey're doing?

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What they're trying to do?

SPEAKER_01 (08:52):
What?

SPEAKER_00 (08:53):
They're trying to push as many people over the
edge as humanly possible.

SPEAKER_01 (08:59):
In what way do you mean?

SPEAKER_00 (09:01):
Well, I know with Arden Hansen, beards is enough.
Okay.
Like, allowing beards is thesame as the governing body
saying all the brothers are now,you know, required to wear a

(09:24):
skinny suit.
Arden Hansen was the number oneguy that was so against beards.
Beards is pagan.
Beards is pagan.
It's pagan.
It's pagan.

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It's Like the reason why Imarried worldly is because he'd
be like beards is pagan and eveneven goatees was an issue.
And so I know with Arden Hansenof what could I know what said
Uncle Brent off.
So we're talking about UncleBrent snapped.

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What would then make the nextone snap?
What would make the next onesnap?
Beards would make them snap.
The pants would make it be like,what are you doing?
What are you doing?
That makes me breathlesslyscared.
Because I know how, like, if youhear something that your

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relationship broke with yourfamily member because of
something specific, which wouldbe facial hair to begin with.
and me wearing pants to themeeting, that that was a deal
breaker of...
It was a deal breaker and thatwas initially why I stopped

(10:51):
going to the meetings.

SPEAKER_01 (10:53):
Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 (10:55):
And so for Demonized Smurf Girl, with my stepdad then
hearing and knowing that thatwas the reason why, is because
it's like college...
Um...
beards and pants and stuff waswhy we will never speak to each

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other again.
Why mom's dead.
Why Clyde and Jessica and thebaby are dead.
Why a lot of people are dead isbecause of those things.
Can you imagine to like the noblood?
Like they're just undoingeverything.
Like seriously, Mitch, when isit?

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When, when will it stop?
Are they going to travel all theway down to the cross and make
it a cross too?
Like how many changes?
It's like they're just tickingthe boxes.
Okay, now we're undoing thewitnesses and they're going to
just what?

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When does it stop until it'sjust Catholicism at some point?
You know what I mean?
I get you.
Because at some point withenough changes, it's going to be
the same as Catholicism if theydon't, you know what I mean?
Where it won't even be theJehovah's Witnesses anymore.
I

SPEAKER_01 (12:16):
think the only thing they will keep are the things
that involve them with thehorrific CSA cases.
They won't change any of thoserules.
Like the two-week and shit andall that.

SPEAKER_00 (12:30):
Yeah.
I've

SPEAKER_01 (12:33):
seen them...
Like, what I had the last issue,like, birthdays, holidays...
Oh,

SPEAKER_00 (12:44):
that's the whole claim to fame, you know what I
mean?

SPEAKER_01 (12:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (12:48):
There's no...
Sorry, it hit me hard.
Because it's like, that makes meangry.
Because what would your, youknow, did you give up college?
Me too.
And I had, I don't know, I was amember of Mensa.
I graduated at 15.

UNKNOWN (13:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (13:08):
and then was married at 16 because I wanted to go to
college.
And he's like, you know, mystepdad was like, well, if you
want to go to college, then youbetter, you better get out on
your own.
And so, cause I graduated at 15and I needed to start college
that very next thing, you know,within the year.

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And so I was going to just marrythe first idiot that said yes.
which was a scandal.
And I was then going to go andstart.
And then all of a sudden,because I was married, the
scholarship didn't apply becauseit was towards someone saying,

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you know, like the stipulationsor I was probably lied to for
some reason.
I had to get married to do myscholarship.
Then when I went to go do myscholarship, then because I was
married, it was a scholarship tolive on campus and stuff.
And being a married person, thatwas not what the scholarship was

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all about.
It didn't accept someone who wasmarried.
And so, like, seriously, Ialmost went Uncle Brent.
Like, I mean, seriously, it'slike I got married so that I
could go to college and do myscholarship and then come to
find out it, like, invalidatedit for some reason.

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Or at least that's what I wastold.
Because it was, like, full-onroom and board in the dorm room.
everything and oh like seriouslyif i knew that i wouldn't go to

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jail for just windmill armingjust a bunch of just you know
i'm sorry pardon me

SPEAKER_01 (15:10):
oh my goodness

SPEAKER_00 (15:13):
like you know like just just That's for you, Mark
Sanders.

SPEAKER_01 (15:27):
That pissed a lot of people off.
Like I said, it wasn't on myradar in college, but today I
heard a lot of people hintingabout it.
And I mean, they have validpoints, but yeah, they messed up
a lot of lives.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (15:44):
my life would have been so different.
So different.
So different.
God, so different.
I don't, like so different.
God, I wish I could just punchone of them in the face.

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Just really just punch and

SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
punch.

SPEAKER_00 (16:14):
I mean, that's life changing.

SPEAKER_01 (16:17):
I feel bad for people of my parents' age.
They gave up a lot and livedvery simple because that's what
they were telling them to do.
Because the end is right aroundthe corner.
You don't need school.
You don't need higher education.
And you'll be around badassociation and all that crap.

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We had association each andevery day of our lives.

SPEAKER_00 (16:45):
Yeah, it's like every day was the last day of
their life and they didn't evencare if they woke up the next
day.
And in fact, when witnesses dowake up the next day, they're
disappointed.
It was a very, a very, you know.
life detrimental situation whereit was like, as soon as you,

(17:07):
it's like what the Jehovah'sWitnesses is that they view the
sooner you pass away, the soonerparadise comes.
So come on, everybody, let's allpass away as fast as humanly
possible.
Like maybe, you know, no bloodtransfusion, you know, no
transplants, no this, no that.
Let's just hamper so that we canall pass away as soon as we all

(17:30):
possibly can And then paradisewill come.
It's like, okay, go for it.
Go for it.
You know, you're living likeevery day is your last day.
You know, very Jonestownexistence.

SPEAKER_01 (17:45):
That's how they used to sell it, too.
They used to say, you know, whenyou pass away, you're just
sleeping.
And it's like in the blink of aneye, you'll be resurrected.
You won't even know you're dead.
You know, that's how they usedto spin it.

SPEAKER_00 (17:59):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I remember being in thehospital and refusing certain
things, you know.
And it's like, no, I'll justwake up in paradise.
It'll be okay.
It'll be okay.
I'm not afraid.
Aren't you afraid?
No, no, no, I'm not afraid.
It's like,

SPEAKER_01 (18:18):
ooh.
I've just been angry all day.

SPEAKER_00 (18:22):
You've been what?

SPEAKER_01 (18:23):
Angry all day.
They make me so mad.
I

SPEAKER_00 (18:29):
know,

SPEAKER_01 (18:29):
me too.
much of it as i could stomachbut i hate hearing their voices
you know but yeah they messed upso many lives

SPEAKER_00 (18:41):
i know they must really hate people like they
must really really hate the thejehovah's witnesses you know
what i mean because of doingthat i would at this at this
point Of me, I would do that tothe Jehovah's Witnesses only

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because I'm so angry that Iwould.
I would do it on purpose becauseI hate them all so much that I
would rip away college, thenwait until, you know, and then
just, okay, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,you know, to be a jerk.
Like, I would do that to be ajerk.
I would discern beat to them atthis point.

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Like right now I would do thatto be a jerk.
And so.
In reality, it's like, ha-ha,oh, how many, you know, I know
all my ex-friends who are stillJehovah's Witnesses, ha-ha-ha.
I bet you really would havewished to have gone to college
and made something of yourselfand been like me and Mitch, you

(19:55):
know, you on this side.
Me and Mitch, you wanted to belike me and him where you're all
cool and stuff.
Now it's too late and you're tooold and you're too uneducated
and homeschooled and ha-ha.
You know chain pick up thepieces you won't be able to you
know And that's mean but There'ssome oh like Darryl Darryl

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Wahlberg who has his own YouTubechannel It's like hey Darryl,
you can finally get an educationthere buddy.
You can finally get educated Youwant to go get educated away?
You're like 70 too late.
Haha.

UNKNOWN (20:35):
Oh

SPEAKER_00 (20:37):
You know, hey, why don't you go back to college?
You probably don't even know howto take an SAT, do you?
Stupid Darryl Wahlberg.

SPEAKER_01 (20:48):
Quick question.
It made me think of it becauseyou said you date witnesses.
Do any bother you online, anyactive Jehovah's Witnesses?

SPEAKER_00 (20:59):
No, they know better.
They're scared to death of me.
They do not mess with demonizedsmartphones.
Never.
Not, not, not, not, never.
Never.
They know better.
Yeah, because it's funny becausethere was a lot and they know

(21:20):
better.
Like I'll get like 500 views onsomething and like three
comments of people that Iactually know.
And then I'm like, oh yeah, therest are like trolling witnesses
and they just want to see, but Idon't want to say anything
because, you know, she's likedemonized.
Oh, for one, also, what's hisname?

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Colin Plummer.
I

SPEAKER_01 (21:45):
did

SPEAKER_00 (21:46):
some interviews with him a while back, like maybe a
year, a little bit more ago.
And he got disfellowshipped forgetting caught doing videos with
me.
And so, yeah, anyone who getscaught commenting or anything
with me who's still a witness,that's automatic

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disfellowshipping offense.
You'll be drug into the libraryif they find out you've been
talking to me.
So nobody is too scared tocomment, which means a lot that
those are all active Jehovah'sWitnesses and they know I'm
like, you know, enemy numberone, but...
I'm so in love with MarkSanderson, though.

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I don't think they should see meas an enemy.
He's my soulmate.
He's my soulmate.

SPEAKER_01 (22:36):
I don't get it.

SPEAKER_00 (22:40):
No, there's something studly about what he
did.
It's personal.
It's personal.
For my ex to do that, that'smore than any ex has ever done
for me.
in my opinion you know whereit's like known you know where

(23:04):
it's like oh you know becausepeople were like oh my god oh my
god you know um Him being allPapa Smurf up there.
Because you know that if he, youknow, knowing, it's like he
would have went out of his wayto be the least Papa Smurf as
possible, but he could not havebeen more Papa Smurf if he

(23:24):
tried.
Like, what more could he havedone, you know?

SPEAKER_01 (23:29):
So what did he do?

SPEAKER_00 (23:33):
When he grew the beard.

SPEAKER_01 (23:35):
Oh, you mean when he grew the beard.

SPEAKER_00 (23:37):
Yeah, when he grew the beard and then he was all
red, white, and blue tie and hislittle chubby suit.
He's all stiff and awkward.
You know?
No, Uncle Tony's got some wisewords.
He's like, no.
You need to grow some balls.

(23:58):
You need to grow some balls,Mark Sanderson.
That's what it is.

SPEAKER_01 (24:03):
I posted Uncle Tony to me.

SPEAKER_00 (24:05):
Oh yeah, what did you post?
I think I saw it, but

SPEAKER_01 (24:08):
what did you post?
I just said this is in case anyactive witnesses come to me
saying we could have went tocollege at any time.
I said this was 2015, how theystood.
And yeah, Uncle Tony was pretty,pretty adamantly against
college.

SPEAKER_00 (24:27):
Yeah, it's like they removed my stepdad from the
governing body.
Everything he stood for.
The pants and this and that.
I don't know what they're doing.
Like, it's mind-blowing, and Iwish I could not think about it
ever again.
But because it's so shocking,like, I don't know if this is

(24:52):
just like, oh, you know, I thinkeverybody's all used to the
changes, maybe.
But for me, it's like, with eachchange, it's another brick of
Watchtower being destroyed.

UNKNOWN (25:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
And at some point, what I said is that there's
going to be no differencebetween the Witnesses and every
other religion on the face ofthe planet.

SPEAKER_01 (25:20):
They say it's pure worship, though.
It's pure

SPEAKER_00 (25:23):
worship.
What is pure worship, you know?
Like what?
Oh, man.
Pure worship.
That seems like a conundrum.
you know when yeah it seems likea conundrum to me i don't i

(25:44):
don't worship anything look atyou know i don't

SPEAKER_01 (25:48):
know do you think they are trying to keep members
because they're losing so manymembers and they want to keep
the money

SPEAKER_00 (25:59):
i think they're just trying not to go to jail forever
I think that this is their lastditch effort of what my
investigators are looking intoand my lawyers are looking into.

(26:19):
Like, I'm going to say to you,brothers, you know, when I come
to you, when my guys, when weget our paperwork together and
they come to you with asettlement, the best thing is,
is you just shut up and openyour wallet.
You know?
um like you know you just justbend over open wide and let my

(26:46):
foot slide in you know they'reused they're used to me this
i've always been this way likei've

SPEAKER_01 (26:56):
always

SPEAKER_00 (26:58):
been You know, it was like I think with the
governing body, they tried topull like a Rutherford kind of
hostile takeover.
And it's like, you don't hostilytake over from Demon Eye Smurf
Girl.
You know, from the Smurf.
You don't hostily take over myorganization from the Smurf.

(27:20):
You know, Smurf doesn't do it.
You know, I don't.
You can look on the screen.
You can look on the TV.
You can listen to the radio andknow that Smurf doesn't play
that way.
Never have I.
You know, and for them to, youknow...
Like, you know, I know that theydon't like to watch like R-rated

(27:42):
movies and stuff, but it's like,boys, you need to start watching
a little Breaking Bad, you know,because it's getting real
Breaking Bad at the KingdomHall.
And that is, you know, indeedwhat was going on.
And, you know, because peoplesay, you know, oh, I, you know,
you know, you make Breaking Badreferences.
Well, why wouldn't Smurf Girl dothat when that's the most

(28:04):
logical, natural thing for me todo?
You know, I send my snacks to dothings even now.

SPEAKER_01 (28:10):
Explain the Breaking Bad for those who might not
know.

SPEAKER_00 (28:17):
Oh, yeah, we're Heisenberg.
Heisenberg.
Yeah, you know, a littleHeisenberg organization going on
in there.
You know, if witnesses knew,because, like, okay, when you
left, what was it that made youleave?

(28:39):
What was it that you saw youwere like, oh, hell no, I got to
get out?

SPEAKER_01 (28:44):
I was tired of, like, today, things changing
that they've been so adamantabout for decades, and then I
was tired of the hypocrisy.

SPEAKER_00 (28:58):
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, that'll be ourdrinking word, hypocrite.
Hypocrite.

SPEAKER_01 (29:11):
Yeah, I was fed up.
I first started turning it inMay of 2023, and it just got
worse and worse.
Yeah.
Man, I can't stand theorganization.
I can't stand most of thewitnesses because they're
arrogant, rude, hypocrites.

(29:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (29:35):
Yeah.
Oh, hypocrite.

SPEAKER_01 (29:37):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (29:44):
being a hypocrite is a big, giant deal for me, too.
Like, you know, just being abig, giant crit.
You know, like, I don't likebeing a hypocrite.
But, you know, it couldn't havehappened to a better group of
people, though, or, like, aworse group of people.
Like...

(30:04):
I had put, like right when youwere leaving, I was like, get
out now or you're not gettingout ever.
I think the people that areleft, if they haven't left by
now, they don't deserve it.
Like they don't.

SPEAKER_01 (30:19):
They're hanging on to strings.
There's nothing left.
How much longer do you thinkthey can stay their head above
water, that organization?

SPEAKER_00 (30:35):
Oh, forever.

SPEAKER_01 (30:40):
Because

SPEAKER_00 (30:41):
I see how they're making money.
They make money over more thanjust donations.

SPEAKER_01 (30:47):
Like,

SPEAKER_00 (30:48):
you know, movie-making ventures, a lot.
See, this is the one thing thatirritates me, is that a lot of
the apostate movies that we see,they're produced by Watchtower.
They're movies that are basedupon judicial files, people's

(31:11):
actual stories, merch thatapostates buy.
They're buying that merch fromWashtar because it's Washtar
copywritten stuff.
When they're watching certainvideos on YouTube, like Lloyd
Evans type of channels, thatmoney goes back.

(31:31):
you know, a portion of it goesback to Fund Watchtower.
Some of it 100%.
So they're making revenue off ofYouTube videos, merch, you know,
movies that they're making, evenbooks, even books.
Those will be Watchtowerpublished books where people

(31:52):
might think, oh, no, it's like,oh, that's just some ghostwriter
from the writing departmentthat, you know, They're getting
a cut back.
And with the apostasy being theway that it is booming, they're
making more money now than theyever have before.
You know, just think if theyinvest in TikTok.

(32:16):
They invest in Netflix and HBOand they're making movies.
The reason why they're investedin HBO is they make movies.
You know?
They're the top one for makingLifetime movies.
I wouldn't doubt that thoseLifetime movies are 100%

(32:37):
witnesses.
Every time.
You know?

SPEAKER_01 (32:43):
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 (32:44):
Because it's like, I used to be addicted to those
Lifetime movies.

SPEAKER_01 (32:48):
Why?

SPEAKER_00 (32:49):
I'd be like, it's just like at the Kingdom Hall.
I swear to God, this is SisterSo-and-so.
You know?
I bet you.
Hypocrite.
Hypocrite.

SPEAKER_01 (32:59):
Oh, you said hypocrite.

SPEAKER_00 (33:01):
And so did you.
But there are certain aspects ofmyself.
I wouldn't be such a fighter ifit wasn't for what I went
through.
Like, I actually appreciate aslong as it works out okay.
I just want to settle.

(33:23):
I would like to fight, but I'mjust so exhausted at this point.
That it's like, I just, youknow, agree to disagree and
settle.
And I just want to go and bequiet forever.
You know, I will fight.

SPEAKER_01 (33:45):
Will you be quiet?

SPEAKER_00 (33:48):
I think I could be.
And just, yeah, I want, yeah.
I wonder, would I be able tojust be quiet for the rest of my
life?
And, you know, because peoplewant to know what happened.
And I also hold it back whereit's like, oh, the brothers know
exactly what truth I could tell.
And it's like, you know, do youwant that to go there, brothers?

(34:13):
You know, and there's, you know,certain shockers that it's like
they would never be able torecover.
I don't even want to go there,but...
You know, at some point, whendoes some, when would the, at
what point does the Jehovah'sWitnesses say, hey, you know
what, we really did do her wrongand we need to do the right

(34:36):
thing because, boy, that'shorrible.
Like, how bad does it have to bethat, you know, I mean, how bad,
you know, nine little pregnantwomen getting chopped up with a
machete because of all of thisand they're not just going to
say, hey, we want to, you know,just give you a little
something, something to makeyour life easier.
Well, I can't wait for them toknow what this feels like.

(35:01):
Seriously, can't wait.

SPEAKER_01 (35:03):
Yeah, I don't see them ever apologizing.
They're too arrogant.

SPEAKER_00 (35:10):
And what hurts the worst is that I know these men.
They were my heart.
I helped choose them as towho...
You know, when people would ask,so what brother do you think
would make a good, you know,that it's like, I remember

(35:33):
putting in a good word for thesebrothers to be on the body as a
young girl.
I'm sorry.
That...
if anything were to happen, thenI would feel safe if those
brothers were on the body.
And that's why I know them allis because I put in a good word
for them being demonized smurfgirl, you know, of who I thought

(35:59):
I could trust and who I caredfor.
And so knowing that they'rethere because I put in a good
word and then they're just gonnalike what, you know, hostilely
take over and That's what makesit worse.
Wow.
You know, and it's like, I mean,and I almost married Mark

(36:21):
Sanderson years ago.
Like, you know.
What?
What?

SPEAKER_01 (36:28):
You never told me that.

SPEAKER_00 (36:29):
Oh, yeah, that's why I do what I do directed towards
him.

SPEAKER_01 (36:34):
Okay, wait, wait, wait.
Wait, wait,

SPEAKER_00 (36:39):
wait.
What?
What?

SPEAKER_01 (36:41):
All we've talked about, and you never mentioned
that to me.

SPEAKER_00 (36:45):
I thought you knew.
Because, well, I keep askingyou,

SPEAKER_01 (36:50):
I'm asking you, like, why do you do this to him?
Okay, now I need to know thestory.

SPEAKER_00 (36:58):
Oh, that's part of what you want to know?
See, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (37:02):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (37:03):
we had a thing.
Like, we had a thing.
We had a thing.
It's embarrassing.
I don't want to do it over Zoom.
No, but we had a thing.
You

SPEAKER_01 (37:20):
don't have to give me data.
This is new to me.

SPEAKER_00 (37:24):
Oh, okay.
Yeah, no, we had a thing.
Mark, we had a thing.
And I don't even necessarilyremember, you know, It had to do
with me going to college,wanting also to eventually have

(37:53):
a baby, of which, you know, ifyou go into the circuit work,
Dan, which is what he wanted,was doing, getting into the
circuit work.
It's like, oh, well, you know,like we discussed it, you know,
going into the circuit work, wewouldn't be able to have a baby.
And I, I wanted to be able tohave at least one, you know, and

(38:16):
that was like a deal breaker.
Um, and there was just a lot ofpeople all involved, you know,
just, you know, a lot of peopleinvolved and, um, He was my
uncle Jeremy's best friend.
Cause they're like around thesame age within like a couple of

(38:38):
years of each other, like maybethree years of each other.
And Mark's only seven yearsolder than me.
So it's, I mean, you know, Ithink about, so he was best
friends with uncle Jeremy andthat's how I knew him.

(39:01):
And Ah, I try, like we tried.
You know when you try to likesomebody because he's best
friends with your brother, he'sbest friends with your uncle,
he's best friends, everybodyloved him.
Mom loved him, my stepdad lovedhim, grandma and grandpa loved
him.
Why don't you, why are youinterested in Mark?

(39:23):
Why don't you, and I was justlike, Mark, you know, I don't
want to be interested in Mark.
He's like Uncle Jeremy.
You know, he was like an UncleJeremy to me.
Uncle Jeremy's only three yearsolder than me, by the way.
So it would be me, Uncle Jeremy,then Mark Sanderson.
So he was just Uncle Jeremy'sfriend.
They even lived together for awhile in Grandma and Grandpa's

(39:47):
trailer.
And so I tried to date himbecause everybody in the family
loved him.
But him...
he looked without a beard.
He looks just like uncle Jeremy.
Like, you know what I mean?
Just like uncle Jeremy.
And that's like a no.

(40:09):
So I was like, that was, thatwas just like a no, but he was
such a sweetheart.
And he was just, his littleheart was on his sleeve.
Like I'm Mark Sanderson with mylittle heart on my sleeve, you
know?
And we even partook together.
Cause he was partaking reallyyoung.
He would have been, I don'tknow.
24 he partook young and so he'slike i think it was the first he

(40:34):
goes i think i want to partakeat the memorial i'm like me too
let's partake together well idid it as an apostate and he did
it as a believer as like a crashin the memorial and i was like
So we both partook, but I did itas an apostate, and he did it as

(40:57):
like him thinking he wasfaithful slave.
And I'm like, are you shitting?
I remember looking at him andsaying, are you shitting me,
Mark?
You're 24.
No, I think I'm anointed withHoly Spirit.
I'm like, you're anointed withHoly Shit is what you are.
Just Holy Shit up to your head.
But he really thought he was ofthe anointed.

(41:19):
And I did it as an apostatebecause I thought he was doing
it as an apostate.
I was like, you're not doingthis as, no.
And he got all offended.
And then he called, well, thatwas how we broke up.
He called me worldly.
He's like, you're teetering onthe precipice of being a

(41:41):
full-blown apostate.
partaking as a statement andtrying to stick it to your
family and this and that.
You shouldn't be using partakingat the memorial as a symbol of
defiance against your parents.
I'm like, shut up, Mark.

(42:03):
And so then we never spokeagain.
When I partook as an apostateand he partook as anointed, that
was when it was over.
I think we tried one last time,and then I then real quick
married somebody else.
So we tried.

(42:24):
We definitely tried, but hewould have needed to grow a
beard.
And now I think he's the cutestthing I've ever seen in my
entire life.
Wow.
You know.
no i mean i mean it too i'm notjoking i think he's adorable i

SPEAKER_01 (42:42):
don't know what you we're gonna have to check those
eyeglasses why i

SPEAKER_00 (42:52):
don't even know what to

SPEAKER_01 (42:53):
say wow

SPEAKER_00 (42:58):
no beauty and no he used to say that all the time
beauty is in the eye of thebeholder And I thought he was
lying, but no, that, you know.
Beauty is in the eye of, like,11, no, I'm trying to think of,
like, 10 figures.

(43:19):
11, 12 figures.
Then he'll be the sexiest manalive, depending on how many
zeros are on that check.

UNKNOWN (43:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (43:34):
Next, you're going to tell me you like Brother
Loche.

SPEAKER_00 (43:37):
Oh, Garrett Loche.
Garrett Loche.
Meow.
My grandpa would ask.
He used to go, meow.
I'm Garrett Loche.
I'm Brother Loche.
Meow.
That silky hair.
Meow.
Silky like a cat.
No, Garrett Loche.
Garrett Loche is something else.

(43:57):
You meet him in person.
Garrett Loche.

SPEAKER_01 (44:02):
What about...
Jeffrey, what do you think abouthim?

SPEAKER_00 (44:07):
Jeffrey Epstein?

SPEAKER_01 (44:09):
No, Jackson.

SPEAKER_00 (44:11):
Oh, Jeffrey.
Mr.
Luau.
He went to one of my Luau's.
Like, there's a video.
I'm pretty sure that's my Luauthat he's at dancing at.
Or, you know, there was anotherone.
I was known for Luau parties.
And, you know, he...

(44:32):
Jeffrey Jackson was the firstguy that I know of, like in our
congregation, to grow a goatee.
He was known as Jeffrey theGoatee Jackson.
He grew a goatee in like maybe92, 93.

(44:53):
He briefly grew a goatee indefiance.
And so he was one...
that had grown facial hair inthe past.
It was all like mustaches.
The mustache 80s, we called it.
Growing mustaches in like

SPEAKER_01 (45:15):
1989.

SPEAKER_00 (45:18):
Yeah, that's what it was.
And there was a bunch of themthat grew mustaches.
Mark grew a mustache.
Jeffrey Jackson grew a goatee.
Like this was all from like thelake in 1989 1990 19 all the way
to like 93 that I know of ofbrothers when they were younger

(45:41):
In their 20s trying to growfacial hair and now here they
are in their 50s and 60s ofwanting to grow a mustache in
the 80s and And now here we are,2025, and it's like, well, now
what's the point?
You're finally sexy?

(46:03):
It only took you, like, it onlytook you, like, forever.

SPEAKER_01 (46:08):
What about the newer ones, like Brother Cook?

SPEAKER_00 (46:16):
I don't give a crap.

SPEAKER_01 (46:19):
Isn't it weird to me?
I don't know.
The three new ones just seemweird.
Cook, Fleagle, and what's theother name?
Winder or something?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (46:30):
I think Fleagle's from the St.
Patrick Kingdom Hall here inTucson.
I remember Fleagle.
We called it the LeprechaunHall.
And he always would wear thatgreen, because we would tease
him about that green suit hewore.
And he'd wear a green suit, andwe'd say, oh, Fleagle from the
St.

(46:50):
Patrick Kingdom Hall here inTucson, the little leprechaun
boy.
So I don't know.
You know, that's where Iremember him from.
But, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (47:01):
Hey, in Arizona, I wanted to ask you this.
Have you heard about eldersthere in that state being kind
of aggressive with like inactivewitnesses or ex-witnesses?

SPEAKER_00 (47:16):
Oh, the aggressive in Tucson?

SPEAKER_01 (47:18):
Yeah.
Yeah.
In Arizona.
Have you heard anything aboutthat?

SPEAKER_00 (47:22):
Oh, they're aggressive towards me.
They left a magazine out by mycar.
Like right by the door.
Yeah, they're gangster.
They're gangster.
They're very breaking bad aboutit.
They will, like I got thetriangle window of my car
busted.

(47:43):
And then they left a magazine bymy driver's side door.
And they're ringing thedoorbell.
And it's like if you know whereI live, if I catch you on my
property, I will grab you by theankles, you know, tell you, pull

(48:03):
you up, and I will pop you openlike a pinata.
Like, you know, it would belike, hey, everybody, it's
Jehovah's Witness, you know,Halloween where we, you know.
We get to see what's inside awitness like a pinata real
quick.

(48:24):
No, because they left it righton the side of my, you know,
right by my driver's side dooron the ground.
They left the magazine.
I don't play that.
Like, seriously, you know, Ithink it's like maybe they're
trying, they're thinking theycan get away with it because I'm
a Kingdom Hall crasher and sothey want to crash my house.

(48:47):
Um, you know, there was a point,you know, like there was a major
point to what I was doing, youknow, and they're stupid
magazines.
There's no, there's no goddamnpoint to that, but they're not
going to want to get caught onmy property.
You know, I'm in a neighborhoodwhere, you know, in the

(49:07):
neighbor's sea, you ain't goingto want, you ain't going to want
to get caught in thisneighborhood, dropping
literature off of my house.

SPEAKER_01 (49:18):
But have you, like, you haven't heard anything about
them, like, putting their handson people that are, like,
inactive people or ex-witnesses?

SPEAKER_00 (49:29):
Oh, yeah.
Well, they got me into thehospital because they were
lying.
Considering how violent theyare, yeah, they beat people up.
They hurt people.
They arson things.
They rape people.
They molest, they do you knowwhat to children.

(49:54):
Of course they're gonna come anddo that to me.
They're gonna send, look at whatthey did to Putin, being letter
writing and being a terroristact through the mail at Putin,
letter writing and doing allthese terrorist acts.

(50:16):
all over the world, aggravatingPutin so that he's knocking down
their door, dragging them outand then they act like they're
some kind of victims.
I mean, I've got the tip of myleft hand pinky finger missing
and a scar on my lip andelsewhere from how violent they

(50:38):
are and that they chop people upwith machetes You know, nine
month pregnant New YorkJehovah's Witness girls with
machetes because they saysomething that they shouldn't or
they text and send me somethingthat they shouldn't.
They chop people up.
They beat people with, they beatUncle Clyde with a baseball bat

(51:03):
18 times.
You know, Jessica was, you know,chopped where you couldn't even
recognize her all in her front.
So yeah, they're not abovechopping somebody up and leaving
you and then having blood allover the front door.

(51:25):
I've seen it myself.
I've seen it multiple times.
Like I can go back through myphoto albums.
And if you happen to be a secondwitness and you didn't do the
right thing, the secondwitnesses are the ones that are
taking the fall.
Of which I don't mind.
I'm like, oh, there's anothersecond witness of mine that

(51:45):
didn't do the right thing.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
And I sit back and I actuallylaugh because it's a witness
that did not speak up, thatdidn't do the right thing, that
sat on information.
And I'm naming all my secondwitnesses.
So it's like, you know, and it'sgoing to be in court.
So, you know, with thesecertain...

(52:06):
Breckenridge, Ortonville, all ofTucson, if you don't speak up
about me, if you don't speak up,you're going to be named in the
lawsuit.
And I've got photos of you.
I've got recordings of you.
I've got police reports of you.

(52:29):
Multiple court cases.
They're named in a bunch ofdifferent court cases.

SPEAKER_01 (52:34):
So is that why you hate witnesses so much?

SPEAKER_00 (52:40):
Well, yeah, you can only chop up so many pregnant
women without, you know, lookingthe other way and not because it
could have been me.
Because I know that's why theyweren't doing anything.
They more than likely didn'tsuspect Brent would do it to
Jessica.
Well, you know, because I knowwhat they were thinking.

(53:01):
Oh, well, she's the one who's anapostate.
So if Uncle Brent goes nuts,he'll probably just chop her up.
Ha ha ha.
No, he didn't.
Because he knows better than todo it to me.
And I went to him and said, youknow, if you think, you know, if
you think you're going to doanything to me, I don't think

(53:22):
so.
You know, and they were sittingback like, oh, no, we're going
to let Jehovah take care of it.
And hopefully Uncle Brent willgo after me.
And he didn't go after me.
And he specifically told me thathe was going to go after me.
Or he had somebody else tell meactually through a third party
that he was going to do it to mefirst.

(53:44):
And then when he saw what afighter I was and that I was
fighting on the right side, hechanged his mind.
So it would have, if I hadn'thave been smart enough, it would
have been me.
And did they do anything?
No.
So turnabout is fair play.
You know, turnabout is fairplay.

SPEAKER_01 (54:09):
And we talk about we're going to...
You know, talk about love andpolitics too, you know?

SPEAKER_00 (54:16):
Yeah, love.
What's that?
You mean when we shut each otherto death?
Is that love?

SPEAKER_01 (54:26):
No, not that love.
But what do you think aboutwhat's going on politically with
the country?
Like people wanting Epsteinfiles.
Well, okay.
I was just...

SPEAKER_00 (54:45):
It's all connected, okay?
I want, you know, from yourperspective, I know what I'm
saying is 100% true because itinvolves me.
But when Jeffrey was arrestedand then he, you know, and then
he, a month later, you know,kills himself, the progression,

(55:06):
we had started Kingdom Hallcrashing and he gets arrested.
And we're calling it allpedophile paradise, pedophile
paradise, and he's got apedophile island.
And as we're crashing, he getsarrested, which is what I was
wanting.
He gets arrested, kills himself,and immediately when he kills
himself, they said, oh, no will,no will, which means who did he

(55:32):
will Watchtower to?
It's in limbo.
As soon as he killed himself,that's when they stopped doing
the magazines because the ownerwas dead.
And, you know, the owner of theisland was dead.
So right as soon as he died,they stopped doing the
magazines.
And now ever since, ever sincethat moment, you know,

(55:57):
immediately after is when COVIDhappened.
He killed himself.
COVID happens.
Fauci is his uncle orGhislaine's uncle.
Doesn't matter.
Uncle.
He's uncle related to them,Ghislaine and Jeffrey.
The uncle to them is doingCOVID.

(56:19):
And while COVID's going on,they're preparing the witnesses
of no more, you know, now it'ssix.
Now it's four.
Now it's two.
Now it's none.
New magazines.
Don't report field service.
Jeffrey was the owner and he'sdead.

(56:41):
And the results of what they'redoing right now is the results
of what that would be.
What else would it look like?
That's what it would look likeis, you know, Jeffrey, you know,
having, you know, majorityownership.
And he dies and they don't knowwhat to do.

(57:02):
And so they start to panic.
They start to grow beards.
They start to just, it's apanic.
And they should be panickedbecause you brothers need to
know that I and others have beentalking about this for a long
time.
And that Hollywood knows, thepeople on Jeffrey's list know, I

(57:26):
know.
A lot of people know all theactors that did those things,
that portrayed these Jehovah'sWitnesses in Hollywood leading
up to this, know who they wereportraying.
Because they did it to a T.
They know they were portrayingcertain individuals.

(57:49):
And that's all who's on thelist, really.
When I go down the list, I knowwith the Chucky movies and
stuff, who all represents what.
And when I look and I seecertain people, I'm like, oh, I
remember...
It's hard to explain.

(58:11):
When it's already been moviedand it's like, oh, that actor on
the list of when he's hangingout with Jeffrey...
Jeffrey think, you know, wasmaking movies about the
organization.
Like imagine the owner of washour knowing the dirt on
everybody and being like, Hey,that would be a real, that would
be real funny.

(58:31):
You know, let's do a show basedupon somebody, you know what I
mean?
And, um, he would then hobnobwith those celebrities and then
make a movie about it, like allthese XJW movies.
You know, there's actors thatare playing these, you know, and

(58:54):
they know who they're playing.
And so then those actors get puton the list because that's who
he was hanging out with.
It could be an absoluteHollywood washtower disaster.

(59:16):
It really could.
It makes me feel like I'm goingto have a heart attack because
when you start to unravel, justimagine all of the movies that
Watchtower is behind making andthat if everyone found out All

(59:43):
the secrets Watchtower's beenhiding and all the movies
they've made that are R-rated.
You know?
Like all their dirty littlesecrets.
I don't know.
It would be eye-opening.

(01:00:05):
Just the secrets with me.
You know?
I've got...
My whole life as a Jehovah'sWitness was one big drama.
So, just the truth to come outabout me would be devastating to
them.

(01:00:25):
I just don't have the energy toargue about it.
You know, that it's like,seriously, they're, you know...
Just the secrets of whathappened with the Chucky movies
and what happened with theSmurfs with payout.
What happened with a lot ofother things.

(01:00:50):
You know, and then what happenedwith Uncle Brent, what happened
with my mom, what happened with,you know, almost like all my
family are dead.
And it's like, you know.
or behind bars.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:14):
Do you think, like, so you're saying that the
organization is somehow involvedwith Epstein?

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:26):
They are Epstein.
Epstein is Watchtower.
He's the island and they're theparadise.
And as soon as he died, that'swhen the organization started to
implode.
Immediately.
Because I knew who I wastargeting.
So I was targeting Jeffrey.

(01:01:49):
Jeffrey got arrested.
I was also targeting Pillowgate,of exposing Pillowgate, knowing
who Pillowgate was.
You know, being Uncle Clyde, notJessica.
And there was, you know, we weretrying to out Pillowgate, which
Pillowgate was Jeffrey, UncleClyde, and Aunt Jessica, and

(01:02:11):
Uncle Brent, amongst a bunch ofothers.
But mainly, Jeffrey was hangingout with Uncle Brent and Uncle
Clyde.
And it all imploded at the sametime.
Like all of it, it was justboom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
boom.
You know, just...

(01:02:31):
very quickly and I knew and Itold people like it was like no
here's this here's that this iswhy this is happening like the
whole time like before you cameinto the community like I was
telling people about it as itwas happening you know as it was
happening and even before it washappening so you missed it Mitch

(01:02:53):
like no like you know Um, causeI'm like, no, I'm going to
expose the, I am going to exposethe owner of wash tower is what
I said.
I knew it was Jeffrey and, and Idid it.
And this is the outcome.
And so, um, yeah, I mean, I toldeverybody, I said, oh no, you're

(01:03:21):
going to find out real quick whothe owner of wash tower is.
Just, you know, give me what ittook me like a year and a half,
maybe two years, the end of 2016to the end of 2019 by the time
Jeffrey, well, Jeffrey wasarrested.

(01:03:41):
It didn't take that longbecause, you know, the court
process and all of his courtcases, all the documents, my
name's in those documents, likeespecially the older ones.
But, you know, I know it's ashock to people, but it's like I

(01:04:01):
was very specific and said, Iknow who the owner of Wash Sour
is.
And at the time, if I would havesaid it before 2019, said, yeah,
it's this guy named JeffreyEpstein, you wouldn't have known
who that was at all.
He wasn't in the news.
I could have said it earlier.

(01:04:22):
Jeffrey was also the last oneseen with Christian Longo back
in 2001.
That's how it started.
If you go back, back, back,that's how he got on the FBI's
radar is he was last seen withChristian Longo who killed his
wife and three little kids anddumped them in the San Francisco

(01:04:42):
Bay or whatever.
He was last seen with Christianand Christian was running to the
island.
He was running to the islands,and he got caught.
And then I called and said,because I was still a witness at
the time, and I said, well, hewas last seen with Jeffrey, you

(01:05:04):
know, when that happened in2001.
And it was like, I think there'ssomething up with Jeffrey.
Like, you know, 2001 was when Ithought, I think there's
something to deal with Jeffrey.
And...
I fought, I had to fight to getout too.
Like, you know, I didn't want tobe in a suitcase in the bay and

(01:05:28):
I didn't want to be a machete.
And then my best friend LaurenStewart killed her whole family
too and herself.
Like there was a lot, there wasa boating accident, couple of
them.
Like way more than, way morethan Like, a lot.

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And it's second witnesses.
Like, if you're a second witnessto what happened to Vanessa Lee
Hansen, a.k.a.
Rose Bundy, you know, demonizedsmirk girl, if you...

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:07):
Okay, we're back

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:10):
now.
Am I muted?

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:11):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:13):
I think I'm muted.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:15):
I can hear you.
Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:20):
Oh, yeah, I can hear you now.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:22):
Oh, yeah, I hear you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:25):
But, yeah, if you're one of the second witnesses of
the demonized smurf, you know,of anything from, you know,
from, you know, from, you know,when I was born all the way till
now, if you're a second witness,there are quite a few second

(01:06:45):
witnesses that are no longeraround anymore.
for various reasons and it's upto you if you wanna do the right
thing.
And they know, they know.
You know, and it's like, youknow, you don't want to end up
like the Howards.
You don't want to end up likeClyde and Jessica.

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You don't want to end up likeJohn LaPuma.
You don't want to end up like alot of different people.
You don't want to end up likeUncle Morris, Uncle Brent, Uncle
Lewis.
You don't want to end up likeArden Hansen or Uncle Tony.
Like, you know, I mean, I've gota long list.
You don't want to end up likeBrother Rex Huberman.
You don't want to end up like,you know, Dennis.

(01:07:28):
or her, you know, Uncle James.
Like, you know, like I could goon and on.
You don't want to end up likeJeffrey or do you want to end
up, you know, like Ghislaine?
You know, I've been a part ofsome pretty high profile cases,

(01:07:49):
you know.
You can even hear my recordingsabout Kyle Rittenhouse online if
you know where to look.
So yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:07):
It is.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:08):
So it's like, what do you think is going to happen
next?

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:18):
Like with the organization?

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:20):
Yeah, what do you think is the next change?

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:25):
I mean, I'm seriously going to go...
birthdays or holidays.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:30):
Yeah.
Well, they already saidbirthdays is a conscience matter
in a previous article already.
And a bunch of them have alreadybeen celebrating a birthday.
I already wrote the letter.
It's okay, brothers and sisters.
Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:49):
Yeah, let's see.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:53):
I think for the annual meeting, they're going to
vote me as president ofWatchtower.
Did you mail in your vote?

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:00):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:01):
I did.
Twice.
Mark Sanderson on one of myvotes.
I put my phone number.
I put my phone number.
Not that he doesn't know it.
He knows it because he's calledme before.
So it's the same phone number,Mark.
I put it on my vote.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:17):
Wow.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:20):
And it's in a postcard

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:22):
form.
I didn't know you were serious.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:25):
Oh, yeah, I'm serious.
I am serious, you know.
Oh, I am so close to 4,000followers on JW Match.
4,000.
It was just 3,000 the other day,like a week ago, maybe.
Maybe.
Probably by tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:46):
They want you to influence them.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:50):
Yeah, you know.
The sisters, you know, you don'twant to be stuck in a sexless
marriage.
You know, you want to be a man.
You want to be a man.
You know, it's time to live andbe happy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:07):
You don't think witness women know how to put it
down?

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:12):
What?

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:13):
You don't think witness women know how to put it
down?
No.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:17):
Witness women know how, it's that we don't want to
on Jehovah's Witness guys.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:25):
Got you.
Want a bad boy.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:30):
Yeah, there is nothing...
Well, now that they've gotbeards, that's kind of sexy.

UNKNOWN (01:10:40):
Wow.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:42):
There is...
Cool.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:47):
Someone just in the future.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:51):
Hypocrite.
You gotta take a drink.
Hypocrite.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:54):
Who said hypocrite?

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:56):
I did.
Hypocrite.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:58):
Oh, man.
Look at you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:01):
Just because I felt the need.
No, there's nothing sexier thana Jehovah's Witness guy that
stands up for himself.
There's nothing sexier thanthat.
But there's nothing more unsexythan one that doesn't know how
to stand up for himself.

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There's nothing more of aturn-off than, like a turn-off.
Like a turn-off.
Did I say it was a turn-off?
Turn-off!

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:36):
Oh my goodness.
So what if you, what if, becauseyou're on that JW match.
What if some bearded hunk of aJehovah's Witness pop up?
You just gonna say, no, I'm notinterested?

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:58):
I don't even know.
I'm so damaged.
I don't.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:05):
What if he could fix you?

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:08):
What if what?

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:09):
What if he could fix you?

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:15):
Then he's a bigger moron than what I think.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:18):
He might be able to give you some new life.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:22):
Yeah.
No.
You know, I've never said thisto you.
Like, I'm emotionallyunavailable.
I'm, like, so emotionallyunavailable, it's not even
funny.
Like, just...
I'm so...

(01:12:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:44):
Yeah.
Except for Sanderson,apparently.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:50):
Except for what?

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:51):
I said except for Sanderson, apparently.
I know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:57):
See?
Now I get it.
I'm not happy.

UNKNOWN (01:12:59):
Wow.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:01):
Mercy in the sea.
I've got a history with him.
You know?
There's a history.
You know?
There's a history.
He's such a jerk.
You know, just a jerk.

(01:13:22):
Like, he's a jerk.
Wouldn't that be awesome?
That's the only way to saveanything, too.
Like, how could they save it?
Right now, it's going to godown.
Once the Epstein files and oncemy stuff starts going into
court, that's all she wrote.
If I get up on the stand, how doyou think I'm going to be?

(01:13:49):
I'm going to look them in theeyes.
I'm not going to be some...
Imagine me on an AustralianRoyal Commission.
Where I'd be, you know, on thestand, and I'd be pointing, and
I'd be like, no, that, you know,with Uncle Tony Morris, and this
one, and that one, and that, andthat, and here's a bunch of

(01:14:09):
pictures, and we can just have abig poster board of this, and
this, and this, and this, andlet's get your birth
certificates, and let's seewhere you've all lived, and all
these different things of lookat how, you know, Of all these
crimes that people have losttheir lives in Breckenridge and
Ortonville and in Tucson andthis thing and that thing,

(01:14:31):
there's not a leg they can standon.
And I can't believe that therearen't more people upset about
it that just kind of shrug itoff like it's nothing.
Yeah.
But there are so many that areso guilty.

(01:14:55):
that i know that there are a lotof people in the congregations
that it's like if you want itall to come out in my judicial
file what's that going to looklike and if i were you i would
encourage washtower to make thequickest settlement with me just

(01:15:19):
to save your own skin

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:26):
That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:28):
Yeah.
I mean, imagine what my courtcase would look like.
What would we get talked about?
Just imagine it for a minute.
Imagine if Uncle Brent had goneto trial for his death penalty
case.
Imagine Uncle Brent, if it hadgone to trial and I got up on

(01:15:51):
the stand and I started toexplain As Uncle Brent explains,
me and Uncle Brent had the sameexact story.
And my story was backed up onYouTube.
Where it was like, no, I, youknow, what Brent was saying was

(01:16:11):
true.
And I said, yeah, it's onYouTube too.
Before, you know, beforeeverything.
To back it up that that was saidahead of time.
Yeah.

(01:16:32):
Yeah, because it's like, youknow, there's not anything that
they can say.
It's like, oh, no, too manypeople have died.
You know, there's too manygraves.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:49):
Let's just have some fun.
If you were elected as presidentof the Watchtower, what would
you do?

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:58):
If I was what?

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:59):
Elected, you know, the ballot you said you sent in
to be president.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:06):
Oh, I should campaign, shouldn't I?
I

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:08):
said if you won.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:10):
Okay.
If I was president, for one, Ialready have a cardigan, you
know, but I would be, if I waspresident of Washtenaw, I would
be doing exactly what they'redoing right now.
You know?
I agree with what they're doing,not reporting field service

(01:17:32):
time.
I don't think there's much elseI would do other than the
college education.
If I was president of Ouachita,I would go through those records

(01:17:52):
with a fine tooth comb myself.
Me knowing, you know, that Iknow a lot of the core.
I would start with, you know,and work my way out.
And I would make a standard ofany abuse that I deem, you know,

(01:18:14):
that there would be like astandard amount to be given
without any trouble.
without any need for lawyers, asI find them, be like, you know,
here's X number of dollars, youknow, of what they wanted for

(01:18:35):
the Royal Commission, I wouldjust do.
And I would also do things tohelp the organization make
money, of which I know that Icould.
I've done it in the past.
Billions and billions ofdollars, including the Chucky
franchise.
help the organization make moneyto recover make it a legitimate

(01:18:58):
charity the best one that's everexisted that actually helps
people isn't just lip service umthat would be the the standard
the gold standard for charitiesthat i i know that if they ran
if if the witnesses ran a soupkitchen They would feed every

(01:19:21):
homeless person in town beforeall the other ones opened up.
They'd be so efficient.
I would wanna help people get upon back on their feet who are
homeless.
I would wanna help people.
And that would be theirpreaching work.
Instead of standing at a cart,why don't you stand at a little

(01:19:43):
soup cart Or accept clothesdonations and go find a homeless
person and give them a hotelroom for the night and give them
some clothes and do that for theday instead.
What

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:06):
do you think the governing body would

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:10):
say?
What?

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:11):
What do you think the governing body would say?

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:16):
They would say, well, they've said it before.
Oh, you've got such high hopesfor the organization.
Your expectations are too high.
But I know that if I becamepresident of Watchtower, that I

(01:20:38):
would not only...
I would also be able to...
Put apostates mind at ease too.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:50):
You

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:50):
know, it's like, don't worry.
You know, like, would you worryme being president of Washtenaw?
No.
Cause it'd be like, I would haveeverybody's best interest at
heart.
I would connect families back upwith each other.
That would be my first, that ifyou don't call your family to
check on them, you're going tobe disfellowshipped by the next

(01:21:12):
meeting.
You know, I'd be like, who'syour family members?
Reach out to them.
I would fix that probably first,is reconnecting people.
And then if they didn't, andthey were being self-righteous
and a hypocrite, that they wouldget disfellowshipped for being a
hypocrite.

(01:21:41):
But, They're such worthlesspeople.
I don't think there's any savingit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:53):
Nope.
I say let it burn.
They've hurt too many people.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:04):
Yeah, there's too many weirdos, I think.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:09):
I'd

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:09):
have to kick everybody out.
I would kick everybody out andthen I would flip-flop it and
extend the invitation to theapostates for the apostates to
return.
And I'd kick every currentwitness out and say, hey,
apostates, this is what I, youknow, let's turn this into an

(01:22:33):
amazing charity of ex-Jehovah'sWitnesses.
Let's make it the way that itshould be.
And, and, and just kick all thecurrent members out and include
apostates.
And it would be because they're,we are really the true witnesses

(01:22:55):
because we're the ones thatcare.
Current witnesses, they don'tcare.
They just sit back.
Oh, well, whatever.
It's like, no, we actually wantto fix it, whether we're a part
of it or not.
You know, I don't even know whyI'm fighting to fix something
I'm not even a part of.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:11):
That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:13):
Yeah.
Cause it's like, we don't reapthe benefits.
Like I'm like, we're, you know,if you want to be an apostate to
help fix the organization, whoare you fixing the organization
for?
You're fixing the organizationso that your abusers can have an
easier time at life.
Like now, or now our abusers cango to college.

(01:23:36):
Isn't that wonderful?
Oh, our abusers can now go toschool.
So now they'll be what?
Educated abusers?
Lovely.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:46):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:49):
You know?
Oh, now our abusers can wear abeard and we can't recognize
them as easy.
You know?

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:59):
I don't

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:59):
like it.
Hate those people.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:01):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:03):
So...
I don't know.
I guess it's either one or theother.
Either we fix it or I hope itimplodes all the way and it just
crashes and burns becausethere's no in between.
But it's like die hard.
Just walk away and it's like,you know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:21):
I want it to fall.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:24):
Well, if anybody can do it, demonize Smirk Girl can.
I've done it before.
It's just...
It's a shame what they did tosomething.
Because it used to be so good,like going to the assembly and

(01:24:50):
the food and the Danish beforethe wooden spoons and
everything.
It wasn't that bad.
You know what I'm saying?
You'd get that tingle, and you'dsing the last song at the
assembly.
There's fond memories of it,too.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:14):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:16):
yeah.
And it's a shame.
I would love to be a part

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:20):
of it.
One of my most popular posts onTikTok is the one where I'm
talking about the food atconventions we used to have.
Like, I posted it over a monthago, and it got, like, 25
comments today.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:34):
That's good.
That's real

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:39):
good.
Witnesses like to eat.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:42):
Yeah.
Yeah, I remember when the foodwas made free and they stopped
doing the little tickets.
Yeah.
That was one of my ideas.
It was a bad idea.
It was a bad idea.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:58):
Why?

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:00):
Because I had made the comment, I was like, you
know, the tickets are such ahassle.
You know, well, I bet youthey'll probably overcompensate
and put more money in thecontribution box if you give the
food for free.
Come to find out that was notthe case.
They did make the food free.

(01:26:21):
And instead, donations wentdown.
and that's when they stoppeddoing food altogether because
you know it wasn't amoney-making venture anymore
making making that food for youwas a bad decision

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:40):
yeah it was a hassle

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:44):
yeah they took advantage of it

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:46):
i hated making food at conventions yeah

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:51):
when i

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:53):
was a I went to the big one in Houston.
They were like 50,000.
Imagine feeding 50,000.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:05):
We were making those roast beef sandwiches all
morning, man.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:11):
Just an assembly line.
Buns, buns, buns.
Them stupid gloves, the loosegloves.
Yeah, I hated

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:23):
those gloves.
Yeah.
Raw meat.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:26):
Remember the corn chip salad?
Corn chip salad.
That was good.
God, that was good.
The meat.
Okay, where

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:35):
was this?

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:37):
What?
That was a Midwest thing.
Did you not have corn chipsalad?

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:41):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:43):
It came in a little red and white checkered little
thing, like hot dog tray, andthen you put corn chips, and you
put meat and cheese and lettuce.
God, it was good.
That was in the 70s, though.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:01):
I guess it was a Midwestern thing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:04):
Yeah, it could have been a Midwest thing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:07):
It was good.
What kind of food did you havethen, way back?

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:14):
The hoagies, they used to make...
Now, every once in a while, Iwould like this.
They would have a chicken thighor chicken breast and a piece of
bread in foil.
They used to have that.
They have burritos.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:28):
Oh, the burritos.
Oh, I forgot the burritos.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:33):
One time, like a dumbass, I ate a burrito and
chocolate milk at lunch.
It

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:39):
was like Taco Bell.
I guarantee you Taco Bell wascreated.
Because I know Arby's.
The roast beef was Arby's.
Oh, my phone's going dead.
So in case I go away, it'sbecause my phone died.
So you can just stop therecording then.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:55):
We've been on almost an hour and a half.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:58):
Yeah.
Should we probably wrap it up?
We'll talk about food next time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:02):
Yeah, let's talk about food next time because
it's a huge conversation.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:06):
I know.
This was a heavy one, man.
I'm sorry.
This is a little Watch StarAfter Dark.
I get dark on Watch Star AfterDark.
We talk about the hard topics,you know.
I'm sorry I did all the talking,Mitch.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:21):
This is your show.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:24):
Sorry.
You're used to it.
See, he's a good guy.
He just sits there and he justnods his head.
He ain't even listening to mehalf the time.
I see that glazed over look onyour face.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:46):
You

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:51):
fell asleep during the meeting.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:53):
oh

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:57):
my god me too

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:59):
oh

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:59):
my

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:59):
god yeah i'm feeling

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:04):
really good we're totally awake i had three of
them now we have two that ishysterical

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:13):
you're funny you said you had this glaze over
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:18):
We just can't vape it fast enough.
We're waiting for the newsystem.
We want it to be here reallyquick.
Just vape away.
Vape away your problems.
You haven't

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:33):
watched me.
I've been going to both

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:37):
of them.
No, because I was too busy doingit myself.
Like this one.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:42):
I'm feeling good.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:48):
It's terrible.
This is great.
Well, thanks, everybody, fordoing Wash After Dark.
Sorry it got so dark.
We got a lot of demons, or I do,a lot of demons to discuss, a
lot of demons in my past that Istart talking, and it's just
from my heart.
No script, no nothing, and Ihope I made a little bit of

(01:31:12):
sense.
It's just I've been through alot of trauma, lots of trauma.
Lots of death and trauma andnobody's just acting like
nothing happened.
And it's like, you know, how inthe world can they act like this
all didn't happen?
You know, nothing to see here.

(01:31:34):
Yeah.
So hopefully soon, you know,we'll keep you up to date and
we'll see you on Tuesday and welove you.
Me and Mitch, we got your back.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:50):
Yeah, and soon we'll be live.
Like, we won't be recording.
We'll be live soon.
I have to work out all thebooks.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:58):
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
And then you can triple fistyour vape.
You know, you'll be like one ofthose little seals.
Just doing...

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:15):
I like being on the show because I don't have to do
a lot of talking.

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:20):
Yeah.
I'm not sure I

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:22):
have to talk a lot, but with you, I let you talk,
and I'm just over here like...

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:27):
I know.
I'm sorry.
No, don't apologize.
I like it.
It's like my Watchtower AfterDark daily diary.
It's like, oh, no, I'm in thebig...
I'm in the Watchtower BigBrother house, and I don't know
what to do.
Samuel Heard's being a jerk.

(01:32:48):
That's what I feel like.
It's like Survivor, WatchtowerSurvivor.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:52):
We'll keep it a little light.
We'll talk about food, and Iwant to hear about the dirty
things that you knew happened incongregations.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:10):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:11):
Because a lot of people ask about that, like, you
know, they're shocked when Itell them, like, it's been white
flopping stuff and all thatcrap, you know?
Yeah.
And people are shocked.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:23):
Well, I mean, come on.
You don't think that I didn't...
I mean, I can tell you...

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:30):
That's what I said.
Next time, I want you to getinto that next time.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:35):
Smurf girl, white swaps...
You know, wife swapping withdemonized smirk girl.
You don't think I didn't swap myhusband?
There was husband swapping.
I swapped.
I've been married three times.
I've swapped husbands.
Husband swapping.
Like, forget about the wife.
Husband swapping.

(01:33:56):
I'm guilty as charged myself.
So, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:03):
Yeah, we're going to talk about that in the next
episode.
I can name names.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:08):
All right.
Sounds like a plan.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:12):
All right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:14):
Well, thanks a lot, everybody, for tuning in to
Watchtower After Dark.
We love you.
Keep on fighting and just, youknow, try and...
I don't even have any words ofwisdom.
Just try and hang in there.
Hang in there.
You know, it does get better.

(01:34:35):
Like, it really does.
You know, it does.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:39):
It does.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:40):
And thanks, Mitch, for being a great sport and a
great partner in this.
My partner in crime.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:48):
That's right.
You're very welcome.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:51):
All right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:52):
All right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:53):
Thanks, everybody.
Have a good one.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:58):
Bye.