Ep. 06 (audio only): WATCHTOWER AFTER DARK - DATING AS A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS - ROSE BUNDY

Welcome to episode of Watchtower After Dark with Rose Bundy & Mitch.

On today's episode Rose dives deep into Jehovah's Witnesses and dating, and getting married at an early age. It's a perfect formula for grooming. Welcome to the dark side!

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UNKNOWN (00:00):
Music Music

SPEAKER_01 (00:34):
It's me, XJW Smurf Girl, Rose Bundy.
This is Watched Her After Dark.
Hey, Mitch, how's it going?

SPEAKER_00 (00:42):
What's

SPEAKER_01 (00:43):
up?

SPEAKER_00 (00:43):
It's good.
How are you?

SPEAKER_01 (00:45):
Good.
It's good to see you.

SPEAKER_00 (00:47):
Good to see you, too.

SPEAKER_01 (00:49):
Good.
So anyway, let's get down tobusiness.
I got my little book.
I've got my little journal book.
And I want to talk about datingin the of his witnesses and out,
but also underage marriages.

(01:10):
I was a part of being inunderage marriage, because it
all goes hand in hand, you knowwhat I mean?
Of what dating is like in thewitnesses, and getting into
those underage marriages, of howthat works.
Because those underage marriagesis how they get rid of those

(01:37):
abuse victims.
It goes from abuse, abuse, abuseand then the moment they turn 16
or whatever the legal age is toget them signed away or the
sooner the better is what theorganization will do and I'm the
perfect example of that.

(01:58):
Wow.
So did you notice that?
You're newly out so you, youknow...
saw that more recently than ihave

SPEAKER_00 (02:10):
uh i mean i've known some that got married at like 18
or 19 years old yeah but no ihaven't seen that that much
myself okay What?
It was alarming when you toldme.

SPEAKER_01 (02:33):
Yeah, because I could be signed away at 16
because, you know, I mean...
I would think that if I toldpeople, as demonized Smurf girl,
the Jehovah's Witnesses, that,oh no, everything was fine, and
I got married at a normal age,like everybody else, like a
normal human being, people wouldbe shocked.

(02:54):
Like, there's a reason my storyis so shocking, is because all
of it makes complete and uttersense.
You know, that, of course, youknow, abuse, abuse, abuse,
rumors, rumors, rumors, gettingmarried off at 16, the moment I
was leaked, ago, my mom.
When we went to get the marriagelicense, we were at the assembly

(03:20):
at the Tucson Convention Center.
And it was like Friday where thecourthouse was open.
And so we went to the courthouseand mom went with and she signed
me away because her getting ridof me was more important than

(03:43):
exposing something where herhusband my stepfather could get
arrested yeah You know, it'slike, oh, no, I got to get rid
of Rose Bundy.
She's a big, giant problem.
And it was right after my dadhad gotten the electric chair.
He got the electric chair when Iwas 15.

(04:06):
And so within like a year, theywere like, because I was like, I
mean, I lost it.
I lost it.
I wasn't allowed to have arelationship with them like what
I wanted.
And I didn't realize Like, Ijust, you know, it's like they

(04:27):
sat me down and told me, and Iwas like, you, you know, you
didn't let me have arelationship with him.
I didn't know they were going tokill him that fast.
You know what I mean?
From him getting arrested, like,they killed him within, like, 11
years.
Like, it did, you know.

(04:49):
Let's see if my math is right.
About 11.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (05:27):
Like officially dated, my first wife, I was 22.
This was crazy.
I was 22.
Okay.
22.
Imagine being, you know, youraised in that religion.

SPEAKER_01 (05:48):
Yeah.
No, I don't have to imagine it.
I was raised in the religion.
Let me imagine it,

SPEAKER_00 (05:54):
Mitch.
You're this kid full oftestosterone.
Yeah.
And you don't date until you're22.
So we met, started dating, andlike four months later, we were
married.

SPEAKER_01 (06:11):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you're engaged longer thanfour months, or if you're not
married, if you start dating andthen if you're not married
within four months they assumeyou fornicated and after four
months they make you break up orget married one of the two like

(06:32):
you're not allowed also rememberhow you'd have to date you
couldn't date unless you what'sthe term for it that you had
gears towards marriage you weregeared towards marriage and
that's the only reason why you'dbe allowed to date

SPEAKER_00 (06:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (06:50):
So, I mean, oh, just let me tell you about the
socially awkwardness of aJehovah's Witness man.
Boy.
I don't know.
Male.
You're not even a male.
What do I even call you?
You know, a non-woman.
Like, you know, barelynon-woman.

(07:12):
The female awkward that is theJehovah's Witness boy is so over
the top, it's really not evenfunny.
They do not know how to handlethemselves around a woman.
They do not know how to treat awoman like a woman.

(07:33):
They do not know how to romancea woman.
They don't know how to actaround them, talk around them,
nothing, like zero.
But anyway, so...
But what happens is, um thereare so many brothers like you

(07:56):
that don't date until they'reyou know 22 or something but how
many sisters did you keep youreye on for when you did start to
date all of them i know you allof them yeah he's saying you

(08:23):
know meat market keeping youreye oh yeah and how many now be
honest because you know it's allof them

SPEAKER_00 (08:32):
okay

SPEAKER_01 (08:33):
how many did you keep an eye on that the reason
why you kept an eye on them isbecause they were too young to
date

SPEAKER_00 (08:43):
Oh, that wasn't my issue.

SPEAKER_01 (08:45):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (08:47):
I like older women.

SPEAKER_01 (08:49):
Oh, you married an older woman?
That's weird.
No, that, oh.
That happens.
Because the sisters...
She, okay, she was keeping aneye on you.
It was the other way around.

(09:09):
Where it'd be like, oh no, I gotmy eye on this brother.
As soon as he's old enough, I'mgonna get my hooks in him one
way or another.
You know what I mean?
And an older sister, I dateyounger men, so I understand.
It's like, oh no, I'm gonnakeep, yeah.
But...

(09:29):
like starting i mean startingyoung it's like oh no you know
she's spoken for like how manytimes have you heard that you
know she's spoken for becausebrother so-and-so has had his
eye on her for a while and she'salmost old enough to date And so

(09:53):
she's kind of promised to him,we're going to see how it goes.
And that's because he startedgawking at her at 12, the back
of the songbook gawking.
You know, the back of thesongbook gawking.
Because that's what he's doing.
He's keeping an eye of, oh,there's a 10-year-old.
I bet, you know, if I waitaround a little bit, you know,

(10:13):
when she's, you know, 12, 13,14, 15, we'll get her at a
party.
And one way or another, trickher Wow.
Who's ever not been tricked intogetting married as a witness?
You know what I mean?
Tricked.
It's like, I got tricked intogetting married.

(10:36):
Because there's a judicial.
There's a this and a that.
You get tricked.
You get guilted.
You get accused.
Like, people accuse you.
Oh, I bet you they fornicated.
I bet you they fornicated.
And then you get accused.
And then it's like, to prove apoint, you marry that person.
I know that that was the factwith me.

(10:57):
Yeah.
God, I'm so mad.
I married people I never wouldhave married.
Three times, at least.
There's some I won't admit.

SPEAKER_00 (11:11):
What?
They were trying to say thathappened to me, like trying to
figure out if we fornicated.
We got married after fourmonths, and then we were married
two months, and she gotpregnant.
Oh.
So people started trying to dothe math, trying to make it like
we did it.

SPEAKER_01 (11:27):
Doing the math.

SPEAKER_00 (11:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (11:31):
Did you fornicate before you got married?

SPEAKER_00 (11:33):
Huh?

SPEAKER_01 (11:34):
Did you fornicate before you got married?

SPEAKER_00 (11:39):
Not officially.

SPEAKER_01 (11:40):
so you goofed around she's not officially you mean
you didn't get caught no no nolet me look you deep in the eye
because you didn't get

SPEAKER_00 (11:53):
caught everything but

SPEAKER_01 (11:58):
And that's why it didn't work out,

SPEAKER_00 (12:02):
huh?
But I didn't, like, we didn't doit before marriage, but

SPEAKER_01 (12:06):
yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (12:07):
Like, you know, we did stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (12:11):
God, it's so embarrassing.
This is so embarrassing.

SPEAKER_00 (12:17):
Oh, I

SPEAKER_01 (12:22):
know that she's gonna just myrtle eyes, you know
myrtle lies Don't blame mewoman.
Don't witness is your firstwife.
Oh, she is Keep you you you wereword, you know gawking that

(12:43):
young Mitch, you know trickinghim into getting married wake
the fuck up Mitch's first wifewake the fuck up

SPEAKER_00 (12:49):
also young and innocent

SPEAKER_01 (12:53):
yeah and then some older woman who i obviously is
she how much older uh

SPEAKER_00 (13:00):
five years

SPEAKER_01 (13:03):
So she was, what, 27?
You were 22?
She was an old maid, man.
That's an old...
I'm sorry.
I was 16 when I got married.
That's an old maid.
She's 11 years older than mewhen I got married.
That's an old maid.
So she was dead.

(13:24):
She tricked you.
Tricked you into heavy petting.
You know, tricked you knowfondulation you know you know
what i mean god whatever Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (13:48):
It was bad.
Hey,

SPEAKER_01 (13:52):
can you turn up your mic a little bit?

SPEAKER_00 (13:55):
It was finally to the point where, yeah, we were
like, we better get married.

SPEAKER_01 (14:02):
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, because you were goingto mess up.
Oh, you're going to mess up.
Heaven forbid you like eachother and find out if you're
compatible.
I want to know the divorce rateof Jehovah's Witnesses.
It's huge.
Huge.

(14:24):
Especially of our generation.
Maybe not our parents, but us.
It's what our parents did to us.

SPEAKER_00 (14:33):
Swear to

SPEAKER_01 (14:34):
God.

SPEAKER_00 (14:35):
I divorced 12 and a half years after our marriage.
That first marriage.

SPEAKER_01 (14:41):
Oh, you stayed married 12 and a half years?
I

SPEAKER_00 (14:45):
was trying to do it.

SPEAKER_01 (14:49):
And then your second marriage was not a witness?

SPEAKER_00 (14:54):
I met her while I was disfellowshipping my second
time.
she became she became

SPEAKER_01 (14:59):
oh crap you converted a worldly that's what
it's called converted a worldlyi tried to convert a couple of
worldlies i i tried to convertseveral worldlies never to the
point of baptism thank god butit didn't matter didn't matter

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so I mean, just the stupidbehavior of, okay, you can't
even sit next to somebodywithout them thinking you're
engaged.
You know what I mean?
I'm going to mess with my thing.
You can't even...

(15:42):
Oh, did I mess up with mycamera?
No, it's good.
Is it good?
Okay.
You can't even couple skate withsomebody without them thinking
you're engaged.
You can't sit next to eachother.
You can't go, oh, being in thesame car group.

UNKNOWN (16:05):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (16:07):
Working with each other out in field service.
Like, you have to be engaged towork with each other out in
field service.
Without people thinking you'refornicating at the door.

(16:28):
Like, you know.
You know it.
You know it.
Fornicating at the door.

SPEAKER_00 (16:33):
Well, we used to...
we used to leave the kingdomhall it would be a group of my
friends and then we would meetthe car group of girls and we
would all pair up

SPEAKER_01 (16:45):
oh oh oh yeah the pairing up where you just paired
up and then look the other waywhile the other ones are paired
up too at parties as soon as theparents left the room everybody
takes a corner

SPEAKER_00 (17:01):
there's a lot

SPEAKER_01 (17:01):
of like there'd be one right there fornicating
there'd be one right there,fornicate.
One right over there.
You know, all over the place.
Just fornicating all over.
You know, behind the sofa.
This is a couple and a...
God.
Sneaking around.
Just sneaking around.

(17:22):
It's ridiculous.
Well, you know what's funny?
Is I actually miss that.
I miss it.
There's something about whereyou've got to...
You have You have to fight to betogether.
You have to, you know, everyonein the congregation hates it

(17:48):
that we're together and we haveto fight to be together.
And, you know, it's like afight.

SPEAKER_00 (17:55):
It was a fight.
Yep.
So 16, I can't believe it.

SPEAKER_01 (18:03):
Oh, I know.
I know.
Well, I was extremely mature.
I was more mature than everybodyelse in the situation.
And I was just wanting out ofthe house.
I was just wanting, um, I neededout.
I needed out of the house.
I needed to be away, you know,from my stepdad and my mom

(18:25):
because they were, you know,well, I was being trafficked.
I was just being trafficked allover the place.
And I was, you know, and, andwhat was funny is that they
could It's like, man, you'resure trafficked a lot.
People would say that about me.
You're trafficked.
I can see, you know, it's likeyou're being trafficked all
over.
And I'm like, yeah, you know,it's a way to get away from my

(18:46):
parents.
And I was willing to betrafficked to get away from the
abuse.
Like that's what traffickerswill do too, by the way, is they
will find a kid that's beingabused at home.
And they'll say, you know, I canoffer you a job, you know.

(19:10):
Do you know how to do massage?
You know, like, that's how itstarts.
Do you know how to do massage?
You know, do you mind massagingwealthy guys?
Oh, that'd be no problem.
Sure.
It's a whole lot better thangetting beat with a wooden
spoon, right?
It's a whole lot better.

(19:32):
Like, if I had to choose goingto the K or massage in some rich
guys even for free with for roomand board what choice would I
choose you know it's like it wasway better than being abused in
the Jehovah's Witnesses but itwas still horrible it was still
horrible but it was better thangetting beat by my mother to sit

(19:53):
still at the meeting with awooden spoon like you know and
You know, unfortunately, all thetrafficking money that I made
went to Watchtower.
You know, that my parents thentook the money I made and
donated it to Watchtower.
So know that, like, all of my,like, prostitution funds, like,

(20:19):
that's what I call, just knowthat your prostitution
trafficking funds have beendonated Wow.
How long did that go on?

(20:51):
um it was it went on until i gotmarried at 16 and then it morphs
it morphs like it's depending onyour age it changes like it's
still going on it's still goingon it's hard for me to get once
it starts it never stops Like, Icould show you things, you know,

(21:18):
like you had started with, likewith the demonized Smurf.
That's part of my trafficking.
I was trafficked as demonizedSmurf girl.
That was being trafficked.
You know, creating chaos and,oh, I'm this demonized little
girl and blah.
That's part of where mytrafficking will never, ever not

(21:38):
be talked about for the rest ofeternity.
You know what I mean?
Like, I don't want to thinkabout that, but I'm glad that
people still remember mytrafficking was so severe that
it terrified people.
You know, it was terrifying.
Like if people, people were, youwere terrified just hearing

(22:00):
about my trafficking abuse.
Where it's like, no, she was sodemonized.
She makes work right down thecable.
No, that was just me likeflipping out.
You know, I can be a very scaryindividual.
You know what I mean?
I can be a very scary person.

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So anyway, I could go on and onabout the weirdness of dating as
a witness.
Like all the terms for it.
All the...
The rules, rules, rules of...
I don't know how to describe it.
There's all these rules.

(22:46):
There's more rules to dating asa witness than anything else.
Nothing else has...
In the whole religion, you couldadd up all the other rules to
stuff, and the dating ruleswould weigh out...
weigh any other list of rulesthere there should be like the

(23:07):
elder handbook there should be adating handbook right oh i gotta
flash my ring flash your ringyou got your right hand ring on
would you lose it no

SPEAKER_00 (23:23):
never you never lose the ring i

SPEAKER_01 (23:26):
know You see mine?
It's a three-strand cord ring.
See how it's got three bands?

SPEAKER_00 (23:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (23:38):
Nice.
Cha-ching.
No,

SPEAKER_00 (23:43):
I feel like Sam.

SPEAKER_01 (23:45):
You look like Sam.

SPEAKER_00 (23:48):
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (23:52):
So you say you feel like Sam, so do you feel like a
dick?
No, you feel like a big giantjackass, right?

SPEAKER_00 (24:05):
You feel like a

SPEAKER_01 (24:05):
jackass.
Jackass.
Sorry.
We're never going to getmonetized if my mouth doesn't
stay up.
Never.
We can say

SPEAKER_00 (24:19):
what we want.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (24:23):
Okay.
So anyway, okay.
Oh, how, oh, with dating?
in the witnesses, it affects menow dating now because I don't
know how and I get supertriggered and I get super upset.
I get super sensitive.
I blow up.

(24:47):
I went back and I looked at oldtext messages from when I first
started dating for the firsttime as an apostate i i've never
dated being awake you know whati mean dating and being awake is

(25:09):
a completely um different thinglike it's so different i dated
as being asleep of trying topacify my parents and dating
worldly but then you knowgetting caught dating worldly
and having to even marry thatworldly guy So I've never dated

(25:31):
as an awake person where I candate who I want.
Like, I can date anybody I want.
Did you know that, Mitch?
I, demonized smurf girl, candate anyone I want on the face
of the planet.
Anyone.

(25:52):
It don't matter.
Anyone.
and knowing that is so powerfulgod that's powerful it's
powerful where before Okay,remember, okay, you see, you're

(26:18):
a guy.
A sister, there's less guys thangirls in The Witnesses.
And so if a guy pays attentionto you, there aren't that many
guys to go around.
And so you feel super flatteredand you don't have the liberty
to be that picky, like, youknow, and then being picky,

(26:42):
like, oh my God, being, youknow, all of a sudden, All
Jehovah's Witness guys arealike.
They're all the same.
And so there's not much varietyanyway.
And so being picky doesn't even,you know what I

SPEAKER_00 (27:00):
mean?

SPEAKER_01 (27:02):
And if a guy shows interest, it's like you don't
even have a choice to say no,thank you.
in the witnesses?
Like, you know, I've dated guyswhere it's like, I can't believe
it.
Like, you know, it's like, but Ilike you.

(27:24):
What do you mean?
You can't just turn me down.
What do you mean?
It's like, no, thank you.
No, thank you.
You repulsed me.
Like, there were some brotherswhere they were actually shocked
that I'm like, get away from me.
You're a weirdo.
You know?
But the brothers think you and Iwould be a good match.

(27:45):
It's like, I don't know.
But...
the other night uh what nightwould it have been it was this
weekend so it was like saturdaysometimes when i'm in a dating
like in a situation where a guyis hitting on me i'll just
accept it like there's somethingweird about me where i just shut

(28:06):
down and i will accept it anddeal with it, but for whatever
reason, something came over meon Saturday night where the
witness girl in me completelywent away.
And he kept wanting to touch onmy arms, touching my arms,

(28:29):
wanting to, like, asking me ifhe wanted, like, you know,
wanting to rub my shoulders.
And I was just sitting next tohim.
And normally, as a witness girl,I would just, oh, you want to
rub my shoulders?
Okay, here you go.
You know, or, oh, thank you.
Oh, okay.
Oh, you bought me a drink.

(28:49):
So that means I, you know, ifyou lean in to kiss me You're
allowed to kiss me because youbought me a drink.
That's the Jehovah's Witnessgirl in me.
That if a guy buys you a drink,he's allowed to do whatever he
wants.
To grope on you, whatever.
Anything.
And I'm like, no thank you.

(29:11):
And I didn't even want him tobuy me a drink.
He's like, no thanks, I'm good.
And he was rubbing on my arm.
And I'm like, you know what?
I'm like, I don't like beingtouched by you.

(29:31):
Don't like, I just don't want tobe touched right now.
I was watching the game.
I was watching the Cardinals.
I think it was the Cardinals.
I kind of blacked out for aminute.
You know, like I was like, what,what are we, I was watching the
game and I was drinking, youknow, having a drink, watching
the game on TV with everybodyelse, listening to music and um

(29:58):
I'm kind of having PTSD and hekept doing it and I stood up for
myself and I stood up out of mychair and I'm like and I kept
saying stop stop stop because hewas wanting to well you know I
can't even describe it and I waslike I almost punched him in the

(30:18):
face and I was just like I don'twant you to touch me not on the
arm not on the anything i'msitting here watching the game
that is it i'm drinking my drinkyou shut up you sit down or i am

(30:40):
gonna punch you in the face andhe almost got physical with me
Like it almost got into a fistfight because I didn't want him
to reach over and keep rubbingme on the arm all the time and
wanting to grab on my arm.
He wanted so badly to do it thatwe almost got to fisticuffs.

(31:09):
And that's how hard it is ofwhen I have to tell a guy no, of
how insane.
Thankfully, I was taller than hewas.
I had my boots on, so I was likemaybe 5'7", because normally I'm
5'3 and 3 quarters.
I was taller than him, and I'mlike, I got bigger guns than
you, man.
And he goes, no, you don't.

(31:31):
And I'm like, yes, I do.
I'm taller than you.
And then at some point, he wasgoing to fist fight me.
And then I think he realized Iwas a woman.
Like that I'm a woman and thenhe should, he was so bound and
determined.
He just wanted to, I don't evenknow what that was.

SPEAKER_00 (31:53):
Yeah.
I remember you told me I was, Iwas not too happy.
He was like some guy hitting onme.
Yeah.

UNKNOWN (32:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (32:02):
I forget what you said.
I was too black, just blackoutmad.

SPEAKER_00 (32:08):
You said some guy was hitting on me and I was
like, what the fuck?
And you like, you sent back LOL.

SPEAKER_01 (32:17):
I said, why say it again?

SPEAKER_00 (32:18):
You just sent back LOL when I said, what the fuck?
You sent LOL.
I'm like, this is no LOL.

SPEAKER_01 (32:29):
No, it's, you know, and And I told this guy that I
was going to tell this story onthe show today.
He knows I'm going to tell thisstory.
I let him know.
So I met this guy.
This is another situation.
I met this guy and I got hisphone number.

(32:53):
He gave me his phone number.
Now, I'm not claiming to be sometype of big time celebrity or
anything but I am very widelyknown throughout our community
of ex Jehovah's Witnesses thereis not you know and even
Jehovah's Witnesses they knowwho I am you know I'm like I'm

(33:18):
well known in the Jehovah'sWitness community past and
current and former and I gottreated like...
He treated me like a Jehovah'sWitness boy.
And it was upsetting.
This is bizarre.

(33:39):
I don't know if I should tellthis.
You know how Jehovah's Witnessboys will treat you?
Like...
Worthless.
You know what I mean?
Like they, they think that adate as a witness girl, the most
date I ever went on was likegetting paid to get into skate

(34:03):
country.
You know what I mean?
Or getting my skates paid for,but, but Jehovah's witness boys
do not spend money on dates.
Like, did you spend money ondates when you were dating?
There's no date really, but...

SPEAKER_00 (34:23):
I did.

SPEAKER_01 (34:24):
You did?
I didn't.

SPEAKER_00 (34:26):
I was taught by...
I was taught by guys who taughtme how to treat women.
Okay.
Well, you're rare.
In fact, that's what the girlswould say around the circuit.
He takes good care of you whenhe takes you out.

SPEAKER_01 (34:46):
I was not.
At all.
At all.
I always paid for my because Ihad more money than the guys
that I dated.
So like...
I would buy gifts for the guys.
Like I bought a stereo for oneguy and like bottles of cologne.
But did I have any bought forme?
One time, like the nicest gift Iever got was a half a dozen

(35:11):
roses.
And I had bought him a stereoand like some cologne and stuff.
I had like, you know, but he wasworking at Burger King.
He knows who he is.
And so I post to this picture onthe internet already and so
anyway to thank me for the giftsthat I bought him for his

(35:36):
graduation and stuff he boughtme a half a dozen roses and I
was like oh that's so nicewhere's the other half a dozen
and I just it was the first timeI stood up for myself and I
closed the door in his face andwell I took the flowers and
closed the door in his face andI cut the flowers up like
Saturday night was like thenight that i cut those flowers

(35:58):
off at like and i was only 14 or15 years old when i did that

SPEAKER_00 (36:04):
wow

SPEAKER_01 (36:05):
because i was dating very much underage um but i was
always the one that had moremoney than the boys that i would
date and so i never gotanything.
So anyway, I got what I thoughtwas asked out on a date by a

(36:28):
really attractive guy the otherday.
and i was so excited because asan ex jehovah's witness i was
like oh my god oh my god oh mygod this guy gave me a phone
number i was really attracted tohim really good looking i was
super excited i'm like i can'tbelieve it i'm gonna go on my

(36:51):
first like real worldly date Andso we start talking, you know,
I'm texting him and he's like,so you, you know, are you busy
tonight?
And I'm like, nope, I'm not,nope.
You know, I was excited to go ona date.

(37:12):
And he asked me over to watch amovie and over to his house.
And I was like, no, I wasn'tcomfortable with that.
You know what I mean?
Going over to a guy, I didn'tknow who it was, over to his
house.
So I'm like, well, maybe couldwe meet somewhere else?
You know, neutral.
Maybe we could we go somewhereand just have a drink somewhere.

(37:36):
You know, that would be nice.
And, you know, just have adrink.
One drink.
You know, what's one drink?
Right.
Five bucks.
Right.
He goes.
Oh, I can't.
I'm short on my rent and so Ineed to save my money.

(37:56):
I've never been so offended inmy entire life that he could not
afford a$5 Roman Coke.
after he just gave me his phonenumber and wanted to see me.

(38:17):
And he goes, why can't you justcome over to my house?
He goes, don't you want to dome?
Yeah, and I'm like, I'mdemonized Smurf girl of the

(38:38):
Jehovah's Witnesses.
You know, if you can't afford a$5 Roman Coke so that I feel
comfortable around you, youknow, there are a bunch of other
guys.
that will.
And then I said to him, I have ashow called Watchtower After

(39:01):
Dark.
I just told him this afternoon.
I said, you know, I have a showon iHeartRadio and YouTube and
stuff called Watchtower AfterDark.
I hope you don't mind if I sharethis story of...
And he goes, what's the name ofit?
We're Can I see it?

(39:21):
And it's like, okay, here yougo, buddy.
Here's the show.
So he'll probably see it becauseyou know how he's going to see
it.
I'm going to send

SPEAKER_00 (39:31):
it

SPEAKER_01 (39:31):
to him.
What?
I'm going to text him a link tothe show that like, you know,
seriously, guys need to havesome game.
You know what

SPEAKER_00 (39:47):
I mean?
Some

SPEAKER_01 (39:48):
game.
You

SPEAKER_00 (39:50):
don't think it's going to You don't think that's
gonna upset him when he hearwhat you say?

SPEAKER_01 (39:53):
Why do I care?

SPEAKER_00 (40:00):
Because you might have to see him again.
What?
You might have to see him again.

SPEAKER_01 (40:05):
No.
Even if I do, it'll behysterical.

UNKNOWN (40:15):
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (40:16):
he was just a you know he was a he was a blue-eyed
mexican guy at the grocery storeyou know No, it's like hurtful
because it's like, okay,normally that wouldn't be a big
issue, but it was that I wasextremely sensitive, you know,

(40:41):
like standing up for myselfthat, hey, if I don't want a guy
wanting to rub up on my arm allthe time and like rubbing my
neck, you know, some guy that Idon't know and having to stand
up for myself like, hey, don'ttouch me, you know, like being
touched, I don't want to touchedyou know I don't want you to rub
my neck you know like leavedon't touch me don't this don't

(41:03):
that you know um there'ssomething something something's
broke I think I don't know I'mgonna have to continue continue
to date a little bit and getback to you on on you know and

(41:23):
what it's like to date as an exJehovah's Witness, but it's not
easy.
And it's not easy to date as anabuse victim either.
Because it's like when you gettreated, like, you know, like I
was saying, there's certaintriggers where it's like there's
just a certain trigger that Ican't even explain it.

(41:47):
It's a certain trigger or just acertain something, something.
And, you know, of the numberthat the Jehovah's Witnesses did
to us where it was likeinstantly I thought, is this a
Jehovah's Witness boy?
You know, like, what do youknow?
You want my mom to pay for us togo couple skate at skate clubs?
You know, I don't have anymoney.

(42:09):
You know, you got to pay to getin and you got to buy skates.
And then you're going to wantsome, you know, something to
drink and eat too.
And it's, I mean, I rememberwhen this boy is like in the
eighties where I'd be like, it'sokay.
I got my own money.
I do modeling.
I mean, I probably make morethan your parents.
I would say that to them.
I probably make more than yourparents do.

(42:31):
Don't worry.
I'll pay for us to go skating.
And then they get allemasculated.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (42:37):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (42:42):
Or then there was sometimes I'd be rule of why I
was so demonized.
I would say, yeah, you know,your son can't afford to take me
on a proper date, you know.
So I paid for everything,brother so-and-so.
Hey, I was just wondering, doyou need any help paying your

(43:02):
mortgage?
Because it sounds like you'repretty strapped.
She's so rude.
And I'm like, yeah, I know,won't you try and kick me out of
the kingdom huh I'm only 14 youknow I'm like 14 and you know my
parents are witnesses go for itI was the rudest person I like

(43:25):
seriously was rude but I'venever in my life been so
offended and so it was like Itold them I was gonna tell that
story so I told them you knowthere's nothing more hurtful
where it's like sorry I'm liketalking too much I'm like
talking more than you are.
I'm

SPEAKER_00 (43:46):
sorry.
It's your show.

SPEAKER_01 (43:48):
Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_00 (43:50):
But I

SPEAKER_01 (43:51):
like talking to you in return.

SPEAKER_00 (43:55):
How long were you married when you got married at
16?

SPEAKER_01 (44:00):
Three years and 26 days.
Do you know exactly how long youwere married?
Like exactly?
No.

SPEAKER_00 (44:09):
Too long?

SPEAKER_01 (44:09):
I do.
And then my second marriage wasabout four years.
And my third was, God, 19, Ithink.
I don't even want to think aboutthat.
I've been married, you know,married.

(44:32):
I've been married longer thanI've been single, you know.
Because I was married so young.
Never, I was never once allowedto marry who I wanted.
Never allowed to date who Iwanted.
Like, never.
Never.
Not once.
Not once.
Able to just date who I wanted.

(44:53):
I don't want to date who I want.
Never.
Never.
Always had to settle because forsome reason it was like, well,
that's the best I can do becauseI'm in the witnesses and then
you're in a congregation andyou're not allowed to go to
other congregations.

(45:15):
Like I was even limited when Iwas a witness, I was limited to
my congregation.
If I dated someone out of sightof my congregation, they, the
brothers threw a fit.
Like I was so controlled.
If I was more control.
Okay.

UNKNOWN (45:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (45:33):
i was more controlled about who i could
date than any than every otherwitness combined i couldn't just
date who i wanted at all ever

SPEAKER_00 (45:46):
what was it

SPEAKER_01 (45:48):
Cause I'm demonized smurf girl, you know?
And my family controlling theorganization.
It was like, you know, mystepdad used that as leverage.
Can you imagine, like, imagine,imagine your daughter being
demonized smurf girl and theleverage you would have of like,

(46:13):
guess what I couldn't show.
Guess what I can say.
Guess what's in my judo.
initial file, like, you know.
And then I was thrown away likegarbage.
Like they throw people away likegarbage.
And it's like, oh, no, brothers,I'll throw you away like
garbage.
You know, you want to seedemonized?

(46:35):
I'm capable of a lot.
Like I was capable of that atlike, you know, what, 82?
I think I was like eight, almostnine when it happened.
Probably I just turned nine.
April 8th, 1982.
I'm capable of that in singledigit age.
And I've been capable of a Wow,ever since.

(46:58):
You know?
So, God.
This is, yeah, I got supertriggered the other night.
I've never had my abuse sotriggered as the other night.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Thanks.
It's good, though, to have thisforum where I can show people

(47:21):
what being triggered looks like.
Where you can see other...
programs of how being triggeredby something can really where
you can see it other Mitch ischoking to death.

SPEAKER_00 (47:37):
That last puff was good.

SPEAKER_01 (47:40):
Are you smoking weed?
Yeah.
Oh, just nicotine.
Nicotine Tony.
I was going to buy a pack ofcigarettes, but then I forgot.
Because I just forgot.

(48:04):
You know, nicotine will make youforgetful, I think.
But...
Oh, so what kind of...
You didn't see...
When you saw Brothers...
eyeballing other little girls,you know.

(48:24):
You had to have seen theeyeballing of little girls,
like, well, you know, she's notold enough yet, but, you know,
I'm going to wait.
Or they would say, I'm waitingon little sister so-and-so until
she comes of age.

SPEAKER_00 (48:39):
Yeah.
Yeah, I would hear that.
And one brother told me onetime, he was, oh my goodness,
sorry, he was waiting on his oneto turn 18.
Because he felt he could trainher good.

SPEAKER_01 (48:54):
Oh, the troll?

UNKNOWN (48:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (48:56):
I can't believe you just said that, Mitch.
Yeah.
Yeah, she'll be young enough totrain.

SPEAKER_00 (49:03):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (49:05):
She'll be young enough to keep under control.
Oh, God.
Oh.

SPEAKER_00 (49:09):
Yeah, he said that.
I told him, don't ever talk likethat around me again.

SPEAKER_01 (49:15):
Yeah, God.
On JW Match.
I've been on JW Match a lot.

SPEAKER_00 (49:23):
Yeah, I see.

SPEAKER_01 (49:25):
So I went from zero to 3,000 with zero attention.
I just put it on there, myprofile on there, and left it.
Because, you know, you have topay for it to, like, interact
mainly.
And so I just put it on there.
So I got 3,000.
views then what you can do isyou can Hark them.

(49:53):
Like you can, you can hark themwhere it's like, where you're
interested, you know, like rightswipe, you can swipe right down
or you can swipe left.
So I was swiping right, swipingright, swiping right.
I went from 3000 to 4,500 injust a couple of days.
Also, you know, what's huge.

(50:15):
Cause I was looking my pictures.
I've got where I made like akingdom hall crash, you know,
where I'm standing with myself.
It's not a real one, but Iedited it so it looks like a
Kingdom Hall crack.
And I've got me with my Fez haton, that one picture of me with
my Fez hat on.
I've got me as Uncle Tony.

(50:35):
I've got these pictures.
I've got several hundred likesof my photos.
My photos, I haven't lookedrecently.
It's at least, it's betweenthree to five hundred likes of
my photos.
Do you know the average likesbecause i was like i got a lot

(50:56):
of likes of my photos i like ican't believe it you know i've
got a lot of likes most otheraccounts have zero likes of
their photos

SPEAKER_00 (51:05):
and

SPEAKER_01 (51:06):
hardly any of them have more than five likes of
their five but i've got likethree to five hundred likes and
all the other accounts have likezero to five

SPEAKER_00 (51:19):
oh my goodness

SPEAKER_01 (51:21):
so that's pretty funny money.
And that's the way it was at theKingdom Hall.
You know, it was overwhelming atthe Kingdom Hall.
Even when I'm overtly, here's mein my Fez hat.
Here's me doing a Kingdom Hallcrash.
Here's me mocking Uncle Tony.
Here's me doing this.

(51:44):
And it's popular.
So they're awake on JW Match.
Or they're stupid.
Probably more like they'restupid and don't know.
Like, oh, look at her in thislittle red hat.
I don't even know.
like i should just put like abig pentagram on me or something

(52:04):
like somehow pagan i'm justpagan pagan or i hate jehovah
like just like i hate jehovah idon't know like what more

SPEAKER_00 (52:13):
they still wouldn't care

SPEAKER_01 (52:16):
no they

SPEAKER_00 (52:16):
don't

SPEAKER_01 (52:19):
just as i'm sitting here it's going ping ping ping
because they email messages it'spinging it's pinging all the
time it's like thing it'sannoying i'm gonna have to shut
it down because as soon as istarted to write swipe It was
like, it doubled, you know, itwent from 3,000 to 4,500.

(52:40):
So it was like, you know, itdoubled, you know, what a, you
know, 50% more.
You're

SPEAKER_00 (52:48):
popular.

SPEAKER_01 (52:52):
Young Brothers is thirsty.

SPEAKER_00 (52:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (52:56):
They're thirsty.
You're thirsty, man.
He's like, yeah, Thirsty

SPEAKER_00 (53:05):
Brothers.
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (53:08):
but

SPEAKER_00 (53:09):
i'm laying low

SPEAKER_01 (53:11):
yeah yeah And then, like, dating is completely
different now than, obviously,other than the Jehovah's
Witnesses.
It's different just from thetime frame of dating.
Then taking into account theJehovah's Witness aspect of it,

(53:33):
I don't, you know, I don't evenknow.
How does it even work?
You probably don't know either.
How

SPEAKER_00 (53:40):
does what work?

SPEAKER_01 (53:42):
dating work, like in the normal world.
I even tried to do Tinder.
Oh my God, I tried to do Tinderlike a while ago when I first
woke up, when I first woke up inlike 2016.
From 2016 to 2017, I tried to doTinder.
What a disaster.

(54:03):
I don't even remember.
I actually am still friends withone of the guys I met on Tinder.
I made a friend.
We've been friends for what?
Eight years?
No, wait, that's more than that.
Well, we met in 2018.
So like eight years we've beenfriends.

(54:25):
So I did make a friend onTinder.
We dated on and off.

SPEAKER_00 (54:31):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (54:32):
But when you're dating on and off for eight
years, we're like practicallymarried.
I'm like, I actually like himmore than any of my ex-husbands.
Like, seriously.
I'm like, you know, he's theonly non-husband that I've ever
lived.

UNKNOWN (54:52):
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (54:55):
Because he knows not to bug me.

SPEAKER_00 (54:58):
He

SPEAKER_01 (55:02):
puts up with me.

SPEAKER_00 (55:03):
What would you do if somebody from a JW match said
they wanted to date you?

SPEAKER_01 (55:10):
From a JW where?

SPEAKER_00 (55:12):
Match.

SPEAKER_01 (55:14):
Oh, that they want to date me?
Yeah.
They're asking me as you'resaying that.
They're ringing in.

SPEAKER_00 (55:21):
You just ignore them?

SPEAKER_01 (55:23):
Yeah, there's like 4,500 of them.
4,500.
I've said no to 4,500 already.
It's like, no, thank you.
And I don't even look becausethere's no desire.
I know that it would be anightmare.
That would be a nightmare.
What's the point?
So I ignore it?
Yeah, I've got asked out on4,500 dates so far.

(55:43):
And I think I'm engaged to abunch of them.
Because once you heart theiraccount, does that mean you're
engaged?

SPEAKER_00 (55:56):
No, I just mean you're interested in each other.

SPEAKER_01 (56:03):
Want to say it again?

SPEAKER_00 (56:05):
I think it means you all are interested in each
other.

SPEAKER_01 (56:08):
Yeah.
Well, on JW Match is where myUncle Clyde, not Jessica, met.

SPEAKER_00 (56:15):
Oh.

SPEAKER_01 (56:16):
Who got murdered.

SPEAKER_00 (56:17):
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (56:19):
Yeah.
So that's why I go on there,because I wanted to see...
sorry i wanted to see what itwas like you know like you know
they got murdered because ofthem you know getting married at
the circumstance living withuncle brent and everything They

(56:43):
got married at the courthouse.
It was all secret.
They were all pillow gate.
You know, they met on JW match.
They were being all pillowgatey.
And so I went on there to seewhy did she pick my uncle Clyde
out of everyone?
Like seriously, my uncle ClydeHanson was the least choice of,

(57:05):
did she deliberately pick?
Cause I was thinking that didyou, did she deliberately pick?
the ickiest brother she couldpossibly find on that site?
Or was my uncle Clyde Hanson,you know, Clyde Hanson, was he

(57:26):
the best choice that she couldchoose on that site?
Was he either the worst one andshe was stupid or was that the
best choice?
And I don't know.
I think maybe it was the bestchoice she could have.
But then they ended up murderedbecause of it.
And I was like, God, why did youchoose Uncle Clyde?

(57:47):
What are you thinking?
You know, choosing somebody offa JW match?
What kind of horror nightmare isthat?
You know, it's like Jehovah'sWitness Jeffrey Dahmer you just
chose.
You're going to end up.
And I remember thinking, I'm notlike, well, I guess I am kind of
clairvoyant, but I'm thinkingshe's going to wind up getting

(58:08):
chopped up with a machete youknow like she's gonna get and
then she did so I go on there Igo on there and the reason why I
go on there is because I'mthinking about her and I keep an
eye out thinking there's a bunchof other Jessica's on here like

(58:28):
I want to say to you sisters youknow when you're going on the JW
match and My Aunt Jessica wasswiping, swiping, swiping and
chose Uncle Clyde and moved inwith Uncle Clyde and Uncle Brent
and wound up chopped up with amachete.
Don't you be going on that JWmatch.
That's why I go on there.
And, you know, I pick certainones.

(58:50):
I'm like, this is what's goingon.
That is like, you know, anightmare fest going on in
there.

SPEAKER_00 (58:58):
Oh, Pat.

SPEAKER_01 (58:59):
And there are a bunch of fake ones, too.
There are some attractive ones,but I can tell they're not real.
And if they are, I have no idea.
But there are some attractivepictures.
I was like, that's an attractiveguy.
That's weird.
But I think they're all fake.

SPEAKER_00 (59:15):
You

SPEAKER_01 (59:18):
should go on there too and tell me what the female
side looks like.
Would you do that?
Just make some account.

SPEAKER_00 (59:26):
Make a fake account?

SPEAKER_01 (59:28):
Yes.
Make it real.
Put your cigar picture.
Put your cigar one.
And then tell me when you findme.
That would be hysterical.

SPEAKER_00 (59:43):
I don't like witness women.

SPEAKER_01 (59:45):
You don't have to talk to them, Mitch.
You just make it and see whathappens.

SPEAKER_00 (59:49):
I don't even like looking at them.

SPEAKER_01 (59:52):
You don't have to look.

SPEAKER_00 (59:53):
You look

SPEAKER_01 (59:54):
like them like you.
You're just scared because youwon't beat me in views.
You think of it as acompetition.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:06):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:08):
it's a JW match competition to see who's more
likable, me or you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:15):
Something about you already got me beat, so.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:21):
Yeah.
No, no, I'll give you, like, ayear head start.
I'll stop, and then you...
Well, I've been doing it for ayear.
A year.
You know what?
There's one thing about me.
I've got dedication.
I'm dedicated.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:38):
You are.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:40):
I know.
Some of you ex-JWs who are new,if you had any idea the stuff
that me and my friends in theArmy have done over the years,
over the decades, about time somany people are waking up.
It's about time.
It's an influx.

(01:01:03):
I can see COVID and everythingand all the changes are waking
people up, but it's like...
it's about time

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:12):
and

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:17):
this is what it looks like when the organization
is crumbling you know

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:22):
yeah it is there's

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:22):
really nothing more to fight in my opinion you know
heal and get closure

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:33):
So

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:34):
it's been an hour.
I hope this has been a goodshow, everybody.
Here I'm in my shrine, you know.
Got my stuff.
You can see my house now.
That's right there.
That's where the magic happens.
It looks kind of like it'soutside.

(01:01:55):
That's not outside.
There's outside.
Yeah, this is my place.
My little genie bottle.
This is where I This is wherethe Smurf girl does her voodoo.
I do voodoo in the fireplace.
That's where I burn pictures ofthe governing body and my
enemies.

UNKNOWN (01:02:18):
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:19):
I do rituals in the fireplace.
That's a butter churn.
It's where I churn my enemies.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:26):
She's just kidding around.

UNKNOWN (01:02:30):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:31):
No, I'm keeping my

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:38):
smile.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:45):
Okay, I'm back.
I got a phone call.
It's probably somebody from JWMatch.
JW Match is like, you know, hey,you got to start paying for this
because you're getting too muchactivity.
I'll be like, hey, I haven'tgotten lucky once.
$4,500, I haven't gotten luckyonce.
Not once.

(01:03:05):
Like, none.
Not

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:08):
once.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:11):
Yeah, I'm just, oh, I'm toying with their emotions.
Oh, God Mitch, do you think I'llget disfellowshipped for toying
with their emotions?

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:19):
Yes, because you're not dating with marriage in
view.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:26):
Oh, I'd marry all of them if I could.
You know, it would take marryingthat many to make me happy.
You're like, okay.
No, you all disappoint me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:43):
Oh,

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:44):
you know what the next new light.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:46):
What?

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:47):
Plural marriage.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:50):
What?

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:51):
Plural marriage.
They're going opposite ofeverything, right?
Opposite.
No college, college.
Beards, no beards.
Singular marriage, no.
You know what?
Fornicating is going to be fine.

UNKNOWN (01:04:09):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:10):
Because it is.
They're going opposite.
So then fornication, they'regoing to say, brothers, we
realize that not sleepingtogether before marriage causes
a problem, and we think it's arequirement that you do sleep
together and live togetherbefore you're married.
Like, you know what I mean?

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If they're going to go the exactopposite of reality every time,
what's the opposite ofeverything else, you know?
Like...
ties no ties

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:42):
yeah i

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:53):
wonder what else they could change that you know
Oh, with chaperones.
No chaperones.
Oh, no chaperones.
Can you imagine?
I will type up a letter from thefaithful slave myself that
chaperones cramp a guy's styleand it emasculates.
Can you imagine me and MarkSanderson going on a date?

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And being like, hey, maybeSamuel and Gloria Heard can come
with as chaperone.
You know?
Maybe the Letts, do you want togo to Chuck E.
Cheese again?
You know, because we went toChuck E.
Cheese once for hospitality withthe Letts.
We took them to Chuck E.
Cheese.

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Have you ever seen StephenLetts' face when he sees the
Chuck E.
Cheese band for the first timeever?
He was just like, what?

UNKNOWN (01:05:49):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:49):
No, seriously.
He was standing in front of theratty old Chuck E.
Cheese band just like, wow.
He was so in awe.
That was the moment, I think,that he got chosen for the
governing body because they'relike any guy that just stands
with his mouth agape cocking atthe Chuck E.

(01:06:12):
Cheese band to easily impressgetting pizza buffet.
He loves buffets.
The The way to Stephen Lett'sheart is a smorgasbord.
Hey, hey, hey, Brother Lett,hey, Uncle Stephen, you like a
smorgasbord?
Mmm, just salad and, you know,breadsticks.

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All-you-can-eat breadsticks.
You know, any kind ofsmorgasbord.
No, his favorite word issmorgasbord.
Did you know that?

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:44):
No, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:46):
We used to have a fight, me and Stephen Lett.
on whether it was smorgasbord orbuffet.
It's buffet by the lat.
Buffet.
No, smorgasbord is more.
Borky, borky, borky,smorgasbordy.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:02):
That's him.
That's old school.
When I was in Chicago, a kid inChicago, it was a restaurant.
That was the name of it.
Smorgasbord.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:10):
Oh, it's probably owned by the lats.
Don't eat there.
Condorosa.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:18):
Every witness went to those two places, the Smokers
Board or Ponderosa after theassembly.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:26):
But only salad bar.
If you went to Ponderosa, okay,back in the 80s and stuff, if
you went to Ponderosa orBonanza, they were the two same
things.
If you went to Ponderosa and youordered like a steak with your

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buffet, oh you were wealthy andyou probably get publicly
reproved for showing off yourwealth by ordering a ribeye with
your salad bar.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:03):
In fact, I know it's true that it's like, well, we
don't want to, I remember mymother.
Oh my God.
My mother.
I'm like, I want to, I want, youknow, can I get like a hamburger
or something too?
I want to get the ribeye.
I'd always want to get theribeye.
I don't know why.
And I, be like can I can Iplease get a ribeye can I get a
steak with the buffet I don't Idon't you know and she'd be like

(01:08:25):
we don't want to show off ourwealth honey we don't want to
show off we're not just gettingan entree with the salad bar was
a show off of wealth and it wasit was you couldn't do it and so
we wouldn't be able to but thenthen mom would say but we'll

(01:08:48):
come back next week and then wewill and be like okay or or even
going to uh uh going to furs andgetting a soda with your furs do
you remember that

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:06):
no

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:09):
oh well here going to furs and getting um a soda
with your furs was a big giantdeal.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:23):
So what is that, a restaurant?

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:24):
Furs is like a buffet, like hometown buffet,
like Golden Corral, where youbuy the drink separate.
Like the drink is, you get thebuffet and the drink is extra.
Or if you went and you did nothave a buy one, get one free
coupon, where you would be thisbig long line of witnesses going

(01:09:48):
in and they would have, whereyou'd have to get like the
inside of the shopper You know,with the coupon in it.
Well, I'm getting all Midwest onpeople.
But you go to get the shopperwith the buy one, get one free
coupon.
And then there'd be several ofthem.
And then they'd hand them allout to everybody to get.

(01:10:09):
Buy one, get one free.
And then just be all thesewitnesses.
Buy one, get one free.
I've never seen a bunch ofcheapskates, a bigger group of
cheapskates in my goddamn life.
And then the ladies that are thewaitresses would be so upset.

(01:10:31):
It's like, oh, here come allthose witnesses.
They don't tip.
You know, you don't this, youdon't that.
You know, the tipping.
Where's my tip calculator?
I wouldn't want to tip too much.
You know, you gotta What atiptoe.
What's so how much?
Okay.
Do you remember the number onemost embarrassing thing of being

(01:10:52):
at a buffet with your Jehovah'sWitness father?
What?
And he says real loud, so howmuch are we supposed to tip this
lady, you know?
Are we supposed to tip her?
What are we supposed to tip?
I don't want to tip too much.
Is this too much?
And talking too loud.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:12):
Oh, my goodness.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:12):
It's like, it's fine.
And then I'd take more out andjust put more in there and just
be like, just shut up.
You're so embarrassing.
How much is 15%?
10% should be fine.
What's 10%?
I'm saying like a moron.
The bill, 50, he'd always golike this.

(01:11:36):
Oh, my God.
He'd get the check.
There'd be like, you know, whowas going to grab the check, and
he'd go like this, and he'd go,ooh.
You know, like, whoa.
That's a lot.
So how much is 10%?
percent on fifty dollars

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:52):
oh

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:54):
my goodness you know it's just ten percent like if
you don't know i can't tell youyou know not that hard

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:06):
you just

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:06):
want to just lose your mind and it's so
embarrassing so embarrassing

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:14):
he didn't have a smartphone

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:16):
I know.
He needed a tip calculator.
So we'd always just say, youknow, I'm going to get you a tip
calculator.
You know, 10%.
You know, it's like, what?
Five bucks.
You know, take off a zero.
Five dollars.
Double it.
Ten dollars.
You know, give her ten dollars.

(01:12:37):
Give her twenty.
Just shut up and just give hersome money.
Just a tip to a Jehovah'sWitness.
Well, is she a sister?
Then You'd have to know, are youtipping a sister?
Yep.
Or are you tipping a worldly?
Don't want to tip a...
He'd say, don't want to tip aworldly too much.

(01:12:57):
Don't want to tip a worldly toomuch.
She's just going to go and spendit on drugs anyway.
You know, she's just going to goand fornicate with it.
Right?
You know?
Oh, he was the worst.
Worst person.
It's just the worst Muslimembarrassing person I've ever

(01:13:18):
anything in my entire life.
That's why he doesn't have anyfriends anymore.
All of his friends are inprison.
He's got nobody to go to furswith.
Furs is closed.
And the reason why is becauseall that went to furs, they're
gone.

(01:13:41):
I knew that.
I knew when the witnesses were,if the witnesses ever, like if
the organization ever went down,I used to joke to, to Tard and
Hanson.
I used to say, you'll know whenthe organization is bankrupt is
when FERS goes out of business.
And it has like, there wasseveral FERS here in town and

(01:14:02):
they're all out of business.
And I'm like, it's because nomore witnesses.
They're out of business.
So if furs went bankrupt, thenthat means witnesses went
bankrupt too.
It's delicious.
It's delicious.

(01:14:22):
Oh, it's a smorgasbord ofapostasy, brother.
Uncle Steven, it's asmorgasbord.
Look at Mitch.
Chocolate Mitch, just like achocolate mousse, like an Oreo
cookie with his gray beard.
That's a smorgasbord dessert.

(01:14:43):
We've got all this smorgasbordof all these apostates.
There's all kinds There's me,you know.
You've got so many apostates tochoose from.
I remember it wasn't that longago, Mitch, that you either, you
know, you watch Kim and Mikey oryou watch me or you watch Lloyd
or you watch Six Screens.

(01:15:04):
That's the way it was just 2017.
That you did not have, or youwatch Critical Thinker with JT
and Lady C.
And there was, that wasbasically...
the the only channels that therewere was like this two two three
four like you know the five ofus were the main channels and

(01:15:28):
everyone else was kind of like aviewer and now you've just got
so many channels to find in youknow like like panda tower
didn't exist um jw thoughts didnot exist like all of those did
not exist on YouTube back when Istarted.

(01:15:52):
None of them did.
And now it's like you go andTikTok didn't even exist.
TikTok didn't exist.
Instagram was not being used.
We didn't do Instagram, youknow?
And now it's like you scroll andlike just apostate, apostate,

(01:16:13):
apostate.
I don't know with yours.
Do you just scroll throughapostates?
Like there's so many.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:18):
Yeah, it seems like it often is.
Some days it would be allapostates.
Some days I get nothing butactive Jehovah's Witnesses.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:29):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:31):
It pisses me off.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:34):
Well, those are fake.
Just know, Witnesses don't doInstagram.
They don't do that.
That's the organization, I knowthat for a fact, that is AI.

UNKNOWN (01:16:46):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:47):
Like those Instagram-y TikTok-ies, those
are fake.
Those are not real witnesses.
That's the organization makingit look like so that there is
some sort of presence ofwitnesses online.
But those are not realwitnesses.
Real witnesses don't do that.
You know, like did you do that?

(01:17:08):
Well, you did.
Didn't you do thoseinspirational things?
But of real witnesses, did youknow of other real witnesses
that did what you did?

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:19):
Like make a motivational page?

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:21):
Yeah, like real witnesses that did Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:26):
Like just for personal use?

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:29):
No, to promote the organization.
It would just be you and DarylWahlberg.
That was it.
Everyone else is fake.
They're all fake.
There's no real witnessesonline.
Other than that.
There's hardly any.

(01:17:51):
Now Daryl Wahlberg is the lastwitness online.
So, well, it's been a greatshow.
I think I said what I need tosay.
God, it's been really triggeringof what the witnesses did to us
to be able to find a mateoutside the organization.
Like, it's exhausting.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:14):
That's why I've been, you know, single for so
long now.
just recovering, like therecovery.
It's been like almost like eightyears, eight years of marriage
recovery.
And I think I'm just now, I'mjust now like as a single person
decorating an apartment, youknow, a townhouse where it's

(01:18:37):
like, okay, I'm by myself.
It's taken eight years to belike, okay, and I'm going to
decorate it how I like it.
I'm going to make it and, youknow, and do this.
I'm a single girl and, you know,And so I feel your pain to all
the rest of you out there.
And you don't have to settle.

(01:18:58):
You can date anybody you want.
Anybody.
As many as you want until youfind the right one.
And if someone...
You know, even if you haveinterest in someone and you're
allowed to change your mind,boys and girls, that if you go

(01:19:19):
out on a date with somebody andeven if they think that you led
them on, like, oh, I thought youliked me or something, you can
say, oh, I'm sorry, it justdidn't work out.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:29):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:30):
You know, don't touch my arm like that.
Don't this, don't that.
Stop.
It's very hard to say no as aJehovah's Witness girl.
where we're not allowed to sayno.
And I'm enjoying saying no.

(01:19:50):
This feels good.
Just to say it just does.
No.
Nope.
Don't want to.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:00):
Yes, you're right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:02):
Yep.
Thanks, Mitch, for the platform.
It makes me feel better.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:08):
You're welcome.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:10):
This is the first time I've smiled throughout the
whole broadcast.

UNKNOWN (01:20:16):
I'm like...

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:16):
And

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:18):
how can people find you?

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:22):
I'm on TikTok.
Oh, is TikTok going to be takendown tonight?
Is that a lie?

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:27):
No, they were talking about some time in
September.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:31):
Oh, okay.
I thought it was tonight.
Okay.
Fake news.
XJW Smurf girl.
Donald Smurf.
Fake news, fake news.
Okay.
I just want to say Donald Smurffor several times.
Hey, Donald Smurf.
You can find me on Instagram,XJW Smurf Girl, Rose Bundy.

(01:20:57):
And on TikTok too.
YouTube.
Facebook is Vanessa Lee RoseBundy.
Yeah, you can find me all over.
Just Google me and click onsomething and you'll find me.
Message me.
It'll be okay.
Unless you're from Jada bematched, then mind your own

(01:21:18):
beeswax.
Just gawk and don't say a word.
That's what they do.
Yeah, I'm a man eater.

(01:21:41):
Oh, I see another one just cameup.
Oh, see, you can't see.
It says, good news.
One of your favorites just textmessaged you or emailed me.
It's like, goodness.
It just popped up.
Ridiculous.
Well, thanks a lot for listeningto Watchtower After Dark,
everybody.
Mitch, do you have anything?

(01:22:02):
How can people find you?
Are you

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:05):
good?
Or

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:06):
they already found you if they're watching

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:08):
you.
Just look me up on XJDub on anyplatform.
I'll come up

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:14):
yep and then you can we're on iHeartRadio and Spotify
and a bunch of others yeahGoogle Watchtower After Dark you
can find us Smurf Girl and Mitchor Rose Bundy and Mitch whatever
you know Watchtower After Darkif you Google it you'll find us
and yeah you can find us with aquick Google search of all our

(01:22:37):
different forums

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:38):
yeah

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:40):
and we love you And it is going to be okay.
It's going to be okay.
It is a long journey.
You know, a journey of healing.
But I can see that for all ofus, it is going to be okay.
We're going to survive this andwe're going to be happy.
We're going to get closure.
We're going to move on.

(01:23:02):
We're going to have, you know, abig giant party at some point
after this.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:12):
Thanks, Mitch.
All right.
Have a good one, everybody.
You ready to turn it off?
Yeah.
Okay.
Love you guys.
Have a good one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:22):
Bye.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:23):
See you next time.