Ep. 08 (audio only): WATCHTOWER AFTER DARK - TRIGGERED FROM JEHOVAH'S WITNESS STUFF - ROSE BUNDY

**TRIGGER WARNING!!**

What's a great episode without stirring the pot to get EXJW Smurf Girl's blood boiling! It began like any other episode, Rose bashing the Jehovah's Witness cult about their September 2025 broadcast (complete trash). And then, I ask Rose to explain who Smurf Girl is and why she is so angry........a legitimate question from newer listeners/viewers that we are TRYING to reach to raise awareness. And the fun began. Rose got triggered and let the mic and camera have it! But isn't she so cute when she's angry? LOL! Enjoy!

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
Well, hey, everybody.
It's Watchtower After Dark withSmurf Girl and Mitch.
How you doing, Mitch?

SPEAKER_00 (00:19):
I'm doing great.
How are you?

SPEAKER_02 (00:21):
I'm great.
I'm great.
We just came back from thetrenches of the September
broadcast.
We've got some stuff to discuss,Mitch.
So what did you think?
It was kind of humdrum at first,like, oh, they're just talking

(00:44):
about loss.
But then I really started to getinto it, and I'm like, wait Wait
a second.
That hits way too close to

SPEAKER_00 (00:54):
home.
What part?

SPEAKER_02 (00:57):
the whole um of all these brothers and sisters who
have sustained these terriblelosses and oh they're getting
fruit baskets and they'regetting love and you know
they're all there for each otherwhereas uh well what about me

(01:20):
what about my family you knowwhat i mean

SPEAKER_01 (01:22):
yeah

SPEAKER_02 (01:24):
And they're just asking for it.
They can, in all honesty, theyare asking for it.
In my family situation of what'salready happened, that their
behavior during that broadcastis exactly why my uncle Brent
snapped in the first place.

(01:46):
Like, you know, to be blunt.
And, you know, it's like,they're pushing and pushing and
pushing.
And it's like, well, who elseare you want to push farther
Watchtower.
That's not cool.
You already pushed Uncle Brentto do that.
Now who else are you targetingto be pushed that far?
You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 (02:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (02:09):
It's like, you know, when you have a certain type of
behavior and that behaviorcauses casualties and then they
continue that behavior and thenthey do it even worse.
And then it's like you're justrubbing it in somebody's face.
You know what I mean?
Like, oh, no, we're going to rubit in people.
You know, we can get intospecifics, but I just want to

(02:32):
start off with that.
Like that watchtower creates ahorrific situation and then they
take that horrific situationsituation and then they want to
make it worse and worse andworse.
You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 (02:43):
Yeah.
So how did that push your uncleover the edge?

SPEAKER_02 (02:48):
um just that kind of dismissive behavior of where he
knew they knew what was reallygoing on and that passive it was
passive aggressive that's whatit was being passive aggressive
of acting like they don't knowexactly what's going on even

(03:13):
though they do

SPEAKER_00 (03:16):
yeah that's like You know me, I never believe
anything they say anyway.

SPEAKER_02 (03:22):
Yeah.
Which is good.
It's a rule of thumb.

SPEAKER_00 (03:26):
Like, I've always had that issue, but now I can
speak freely about it, you know?

SPEAKER_02 (03:32):
Yeah, before you could get drug into the library
if you spoke too freely abouthow you actually felt.

SPEAKER_00 (03:39):
Yeah.
Someone...
Someone just made interestingpoints.
I saw a video, but they werejust like the different phrases
they use.
They always mean something else.

SPEAKER_02 (03:51):
Yeah, it's an innuendo or a hidden agenda type
of message.
It's never just straightforward.
Never, never.
And so that whole thing was notstraightforward to me.
And it's like, oh, no, I knowhow that's going to irritate my
Aunt Jessica's mother and sisterand father and brother of how it

(04:12):
irritated me it's going toirritate them even more because
what I would expect in a videothat's about loss on JW.org for
the broadcast the first one thatthey would have one of them on
there just like how they were onthe news like they were
witnesses they were as witnesseson the news about what happened

(04:38):
and so if they were on the newswhy wouldn't they like CNN five
Fox News people you know oxygenthey were on there so why
wouldn't they also be on thebroadcast about how the
witnesses helped them throughbeing on those major CNN Fox
News channel situations youwould think yeah right because

(05:02):
it wasn't like it was small itwas Fox and CNN and oxygen and
people that covered my familymurder situation with Uncle
Brent and those family memberswere on major news channels so
and they chose to focus on likeoh my spouse died of cancer or

(05:25):
heart disease or I don't evenremember like something way less
significant than murder and thatthey're getting fruit baskets
and they're so loving of which Iknow the witnesses have not been
very loving or understandingOkay.

(05:56):
I personally could care lessabout those family members of
who I'm referring to.
I could care less for thewitness family members who are
grieving right now over thathomicide situation.
And with that broadcast, itshowed that Watchtower cared

(06:16):
even less than I do.
Because if I was going to be ajerk and I was going to do
something mean, like for this,that's exactly what I would do
to them.

SPEAKER_00 (06:30):
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (06:31):
You know what I

SPEAKER_01 (06:32):
mean?

SPEAKER_02 (06:34):
And instead, I'm like, I can't believe their
organization isn't taking bettercare of them and featuring them
on the broadcast.
Of which I suppose would becollateral damage.
They wouldn't want to.
You know, having Smurf Girl'sfamily, you know.
It's like, oh, that's, you know,oh, you know, that's on

(06:57):
Jessica's mom on the broadcastand that, you know.
Not, oh, here to function, weneed to pull an Uncle Tony.
Are you ready?
Oh, boy.
You ready?
Pull out of my jacket.
Oh, my God.
I

SPEAKER_00 (07:12):
barely

SPEAKER_02 (07:18):
touched it.
I barely touched it.
Worldly Caleb bought it for me.
down the hatch like Charles TazeRussell.
Wow.
Cheers.

SPEAKER_01 (07:34):
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (07:34):
yeah.
Cheers.

SPEAKER_00 (07:35):
Cheers.
Oh, we got it right that time.
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (07:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (07:44):
I didn't do it all the way.
It took seven episodes, but wefinally got

SPEAKER_02 (07:49):
it.
We're starting to figure it out.
No, I think you're this way.
Cheers.
Ready?

UNKNOWN (07:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (07:57):
Figure out the camera.

SPEAKER_02 (08:01):
I know.
But there was real passiveaggressive.
Okay.
Like I'm going to get into depthbecause, you know, knowing these
sisters and the way that theyare, I've heard these comments
before.
Do you remember them talkingabout the fruit basket?

(08:22):
Yeah.

UNKNOWN (08:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (08:23):
And he gets into depth about how the sister, it's
not like she hasn't eaten allthose types of fruits before,
but that it was the thought thatcounted and blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
Have you ever heard a sistersay, yeah, they sent a fruit

(08:43):
basket, but it wasn't anythingspecial.
It was just all kinds of fruitsI've already eaten before.
You know?

UNKNOWN (08:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (08:53):
It's like they've heard the snark, and they're
putting the snark in check.
Like, oh, yeah, we know.
We know you've eaten all thosefruits before.
Like, everything is a snark andan inside thing.

SPEAKER_00 (09:09):
I always put them.

SPEAKER_02 (09:12):
I forget how passive-aggressive

SPEAKER_00 (09:43):
That's something that's always bothered me.
I even made a post thisafternoon because an ex
Jehovah's Witness said somethingthat wrote me the wrong way.
You know, and it just remindedme of being in that
organization.
But yeah, it scared me, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (09:59):
Yeah, it's rough.
It's rough.
I didn't...
And the music video was weird.
You know what?
Tell them you love them.

SPEAKER_00 (10:13):
Tell

SPEAKER_02 (10:14):
them you love them.

SPEAKER_00 (10:16):
Tell them It's so cheesy to me.

SPEAKER_02 (10:19):
It has zero tunes.
I know.

SPEAKER_00 (10:25):
They need us to produce a song for

SPEAKER_02 (10:29):
them.
I know.
You're a giant jackass, ha ha haha ha.
Like that song.
There doesn't have to beanything else than that.
It's like instead of just, Iadmit that I'm a jackass, smurf
girl.
I admit I'm a giant jackass.

SPEAKER_00 (10:50):
My song is going to be titled Self Abuse.

SPEAKER_02 (10:54):
Wow, God.
We don't need to hear aboutthat.
You just made me throw up alittle bit.

SPEAKER_00 (11:01):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (11:07):
you know you're you're you're just losing pillow
gate I have to take off myglasses because the pillow gate
is losing from your pores like

SPEAKER_00 (11:17):
The last two days

SPEAKER_02 (11:20):
Yeah, you're oh you're on oh geez

SPEAKER_00 (11:23):
Where's your

SPEAKER_02 (11:24):
off switch

SPEAKER_00 (11:25):
match?
I

SPEAKER_02 (11:28):
know

SPEAKER_00 (11:29):
they gave me an off switch for 50 53

SPEAKER_02 (11:35):
years of my life, so I'm done with the off switch.

(11:57):
Okay, I'm back.
I got a phone call.
Sorry about that.
So anyway, it's like a littletight spring, and then you let
it go.
You've been just held, just, youknow, like with a thumb.
And then you just go berserk,and you're also not taught of
what behavior should be likeonce that spring gets sprung.

(12:19):
Your spring is getting sprung,and you don't know how to behave
once that spring gets sprung.
Right?
Yeah.
So I'll keep you in check.
And you're not the only one.
Every single brother that leavesgoes through the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 (12:40):
I would say I'm good.

SPEAKER_02 (12:44):
You say you're good

SPEAKER_00 (12:46):
right now?
Yeah, I'm good.
The spring you were referringto, I was like that the first
two times I got this fellowship.

SPEAKER_02 (12:55):
yeah yeah oh my god

SPEAKER_00 (12:58):
i'm pretty laid back now compared to those times

SPEAKER_02 (13:03):
oh when you're just when you're first
disfellowshipped and you go outto a bar for the first time do
you remember that oh no

SPEAKER_00 (13:13):
no i don't remember that no no i don't

SPEAKER_02 (13:15):
i know no me neither it's like i'm still hung over
i'm still i'm still hung overfrom

SPEAKER_00 (13:22):
it i made a video the other day but i got roofied

SPEAKER_02 (13:25):
You got roofied?

SPEAKER_00 (13:27):
Yeah, well, when I was at this fellowship the
second time, I was like...
In 2008, I was like, I'm goingto celebrate my birthday for the
first time ever in my life.
And first bar we went to, I gota roofie.

SPEAKER_02 (13:41):
Oh, yeah.
I've gotten roofied many times.
Yeah, they see.
It's like they know there's aformer J-Dub and they're a
lightweight.
They don't know what's going on.
Truth.
Truth.
It's true.
They do.
They can see you coming amillion miles away.
Especially when it's like, no,it's my first birthday.
I was raised in Jehovah'ssweetness, so get the juice.

SPEAKER_00 (14:03):
You know what?
I have one of your type ofstories to tell you about that
bar.

SPEAKER_02 (14:08):
Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 (14:09):
Shoot.
Because we frequented that bar alot.
One night, and I'm thefellowship.
One night, we go in there, and Inotice it's like an older lady.
Like, I would say maybe in her60s.
And she kept looking mydirection.
And I'm trying to just shoot mytequila and mind my own

(14:30):
business.
she came over there and she waslike you know i'm like hello
because she came in my bubbleand she was like you need to get
back to your meetings and so iwas like what did you say

SPEAKER_01 (14:44):
And

SPEAKER_00 (14:45):
she was like, you need to get back to your
meetings.
Your parents raised you betterthan this.
And you need to go back to howyou were raised.
And I was like, what the fuck?
Like, it blew my buzz.

SPEAKER_02 (14:58):
I had that happen, too.
Yeah, you don't belong

SPEAKER_00 (15:01):
here.
It blew my buzz.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (15:04):
Go home, little girl.

SPEAKER_00 (15:05):
Yeah.
And just to test it, I was like,what are you talking about
meetings?
And she was like, you know whatI'm talking about, how you were
raised, your religion.
and you freaked me the hell out.

SPEAKER_02 (15:17):
She knew.

SPEAKER_00 (15:18):
Yeah.
But, yeah, that, man, yeah, thatshit scared me.

SPEAKER_02 (15:24):
Yeah.
I've been told that many times.
Like, yeah, you can't handleyourself, blah, blah, blah.
It's like, hey, let me have anervous breakdown.
Because you do have a nervousbreakdown after you get
disfellowshipped, after youleave, no matter what.
You have a nervous breakdown.
You completely lose your mind.
You go haywire.
You go all worldly.
Remember going all worldly?
Oh, he's

SPEAKER_00 (15:44):
going all worldly.
I was just chilling.
But, like, do you see what I'msaying?
She told me.
I was, like, minding my ownbusiness.
I'm quiet.
And she came and told me stuffabout my life that no one would
know.

SPEAKER_02 (15:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (15:58):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was like, that's that.
I was like, the other day, I waslike, I got to tell Rose about
this.
That's that Smurf girl shit.

SPEAKER_02 (16:06):
Oh, yeah.
No, there are certainex-girlfriends back in the day
before they realized it was alie.
I've had that happen.
Where then I start drinking,then you start bawling.
Have you ever started bawling ata bar because you were raised a
witness?
No?
Do you want to go?
Seriously, you haven't been at abar and started bawling because

(16:29):
you were raised a Jehovah'sWitness?

SPEAKER_00 (16:32):
I was bawling, but not your definition of it.
I was hood bawling.

SPEAKER_02 (16:41):
Yeah.
Your version of bawling.
Your version of bawling and like50 Cent's version of bawling.
I think 50 Cent written songsabout you

SPEAKER_00 (16:51):
are

SPEAKER_02 (16:55):
you shorty and it was your birthday hey shorty
don't let don't let curtis hearyou you'll be like what you're
giving you're giving them guys abad

SPEAKER_00 (17:15):
name

SPEAKER_02 (17:20):
Oh, my goodness.
Oh, no.
Yeah, and when certain songscome on the radio, they're like
Jehovah's Witness anthems.
You know, Da Club is a Jehovah'sWitness anthem.

SPEAKER_00 (17:34):
The

SPEAKER_02 (17:36):
what?
Da Club by 50 Cent.

SPEAKER_00 (17:40):
That is an

SPEAKER_02 (17:41):
apostate anthem.
There's a lot of apostateanthems.

SPEAKER_00 (17:47):
I'm going to have to play that next month.

SPEAKER_02 (17:50):
I know, me too.
Well, oh, so you're October?
Mm-hmm.
I'm December.
Yeah, Scorpio.
I'm New Year's Eve.
It's gonna be boring, just likeevery other time.
It's gonna be boring.
Because I'm a boring person.
No, it'll be good.
So what are you gonna dress asfor Halloween?

SPEAKER_00 (18:13):
I'm not gonna dress up.
I think I'm gonna hand candy,but I'm not gonna dress up.

SPEAKER_02 (18:20):
Oh, you're going to hand out candy?
Yeah.
Those greedy little worldlykids?
Yeah.
You're going to pass out candyto greedy worldlies?

SPEAKER_00 (18:28):
I've never done it before, so I want to experience

SPEAKER_02 (18:33):
it.
Makes you feel empty.
No, it's a nice feeling.
It's a nice feeling.
Good.
Wow.
I've done it.
Wow.
No, no.
Okay.
You want to know who's the bestat trick-or-treating?

(18:55):
A former Jehovah's Witness.
Because you can go door to door.
I can go door to door.
Like, you know, where?
Give me the pillowcase.
Give me an extra pillowcase.
Come on, let's go.
They're not at home.
They're not at home.
Come on.

(19:15):
Let's go.
Car group.
You get a car group of formerJehovah's Witnesses in your
neighborhood, you will becandy-less by, you know, 45
minutes.

UNKNOWN (19:27):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (19:28):
staying at home.

SPEAKER_02 (19:30):
No, we should as a group go past state
trick-or-treating and just hitthose neighborhoods.
Be like, you take that side ofthe street and I'll take this
side.
Let's work house over house andwe'll go and empty that
pillowcase,

SPEAKER_00 (19:48):
Mitch.
That would trigger me too bad.
I

SPEAKER_02 (19:52):
know.

SPEAKER_00 (19:52):
Trick-or-treating

SPEAKER_02 (19:54):
is

SPEAKER_00 (19:55):
tricky.
Man, showing up to people homesunannounced yeah i would get
triggered again

SPEAKER_02 (20:01):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (20:03):
i hate it when i was in i hated the field ministry

SPEAKER_02 (20:08):
you hated the field the what

SPEAKER_00 (20:11):
i hated going in field service

SPEAKER_02 (20:13):
oh i know me too

SPEAKER_00 (20:14):
i used to tell you i used to pretend to

SPEAKER_02 (20:15):
knock

SPEAKER_00 (20:17):
me too i'd like The doorbell, when I was young,
especially if I knew the personwho lived there, I would put
these two fingers around thedoorbell and I would do that and
pretend I rang it.

SPEAKER_02 (20:29):
Yeah, you can touch it without pushing it.

SPEAKER_00 (20:34):
But the grown-ups would be watching me, whoever I
was working with.
Sometimes they'd be like, Ididn't hear the bell.
I was like, I heard it.

SPEAKER_02 (20:42):
Or then they see it and then you say, oh, I'm sorry.
I didn't know you were home.
I know.
I know you're pretending toknock.
God, I hate that.
And it's the pretending to knockis why they started the carts
and made them stand on thestreet corner.
Cause it's like, if you're goingto pretend to knock, you're

(21:04):
going to stand there in front ofit.
It's a punishment.
Imagine if you found out anemployee was pretending to knock
and wasn't placing theirmagazines as an employee.
I'd be like, Oh, you're goingand you're faking and you're
lying on your time then I'mgoing to make you stand with a
cart as a boss as a boss that'swhat I would make them do and

(21:30):
I'm going to make you stand infront of everybody in a real
public place and yes apostatesare going to come up and they're
going to record you but too badyou've been pretending to not
for so long you've got to standthere like a boob and like you
know put up with their shut upand you're gonna be asked a

(21:51):
bunch of students it's apunishment it's a it's like a
boss punishment i couldn't thinkof anything better than that to
be honest the carts is beautifuli love the carts they're very
easy to find and you knowputting to their faces

SPEAKER_00 (22:06):
i i hate it card witnessing

SPEAKER_02 (22:09):
I've done it a few times at the very beginning.
Yeah.
Yeah, I hated it, too.
And apostates would come up, andI'd be like, I know.
I know.
I know, I know, I know, I know,I know, I know, I know, I know,
I know, I know.
Shut up.
You know?

(22:29):
Oh, are you sure?
Yes.
I'm standing here because Momtold me to, okay?
Just leave me alone.
Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (22:37):
You know what I did one day?
The brother I was with wastalking with someone.
So this guy kept, he was on abike and he kept coming back and
forth and just staring at thecart.
And so while my partner wastalking to somebody, he just
stopped on his bike and he waslike, what would you do if I
took something or what would youdo if I knocked it over?
And I looked at him and I waslike, I don't give a damn.

(23:01):
And he just like looked at meand rolled his bike off.

SPEAKER_02 (23:04):
Oh my God.
I would have loved to have hityour cart, man.
I

SPEAKER_01 (23:10):
don't care.

SPEAKER_02 (23:12):
I wonder what all the people of carts that I've
gone to, I wonder what'shappened to them, you know?
If they're woke, if they knowit's me, you know?
Like, did you know it was me?
Like, even up in Phoenix, SanDiego.

SPEAKER_00 (23:29):
What did you do with the carts?
What would you say when you wentup to them?

SPEAKER_02 (23:33):
Well, I recorded it.
You didn't see?
No,

SPEAKER_00 (23:36):
not a cart.

SPEAKER_02 (23:39):
Oh, I was a cart-crashing maniac.
That was my biggest thing.

SPEAKER_00 (23:43):
Yeah, I saw

SPEAKER_02 (23:46):
the haul.
That was while you were deepasleep.
We were having fun.
I was a cart-crashing maniac.
We would do it as groups.
I did it by myself.
Just like how the cart crashes Ihave up now.

SPEAKER_01 (23:58):
That's

SPEAKER_02 (24:00):
the same thing.
Same thing.
I've been doing that for years.
You missed a lot, Mitch.
You missed the apocalypse.

SPEAKER_00 (24:11):
I was deep in it.

SPEAKER_02 (24:12):
You were asleep during the apostate

SPEAKER_00 (24:14):
apocalypse.
I was giving my public talks.

SPEAKER_02 (24:18):
I know.
I know.
Some people think, this is theone thing with some XJDubs that
have woken up recently, theythink that the apostasy has just
begun.
You know, that, oh, I'm awakelet's take it's like oh no it's
been going on for a long time wehave done a lot of things a lot

(24:41):
of things you know of all thosethings that woke you up are the
things we did You know what Imean?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And it's exhausting.
And it's like, okay, now the newgeneration, you guys can do it.

(25:04):
Because it's, like, done.
You know?
Like, when you wake up enoughpeople, it's like, no, I'm done.
Don't need to anymore.
You know?

SPEAKER_00 (25:17):
So do you think...
You think they're going to bringout any more new light this
year?

SPEAKER_02 (25:25):
Oh, yeah.
Every single month, it's goingto be something else.

SPEAKER_00 (25:28):
You think so?

SPEAKER_02 (25:29):
Oh, yeah.
Until it's so catastrophic.
There's very few people left.
You know, it's like a suicidemission.
I'm going to say it ahead oftime.
I see it as a suicide missionthat they have gotten themselves
in so deep and they know it.

(25:52):
I mean, how in the world wouldthey be able to recover from
what they've done to make itbetter, to make it Right.
Big zero.

SPEAKER_00 (26:03):
And then that Supreme Court case in Norway is
going to start in February.

SPEAKER_02 (26:09):
Oh, yeah?
Mm-hmm.
What kind of court case?

SPEAKER_00 (26:15):
It's like, man, it's like three main things, and I
posted about it, but it'slike...
them being an organization andand things they do to children
like you know baptism and allthe other stuff but it's going
to supreme court yeah

SPEAKER_01 (26:35):
okay

SPEAKER_00 (26:36):
and i heard i have to look more into it but i've
heard that that's why they'velike seen some new light on
certain things because of what'sgoing on in norway like they're
trying to try to jump in frontof the storm

SPEAKER_02 (26:54):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (26:56):
that's what i always tell people when they come out
with their their new light is ithas to do it has to be money
motivated Like, they're tryingto save money somehow.
That's what New Light is.

SPEAKER_02 (27:10):
Well, I think they're trying to save their own
butts at this point.

SPEAKER_00 (27:14):
Yeah.
Somebody posted a convention.
And it was like, it was likeempty, empty.

SPEAKER_02 (27:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (27:26):
Like last week, I'm like, oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 (27:30):
Yeah, it's not like it used to be.

SPEAKER_00 (27:33):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (27:35):
They did something that was unforgivable, like they
committed the unforgivable sin.
You know, because all we did waslove them.
And we didn't love them how theywanted us to love them.
And I'm sorry, we're imperfect.
You know, we made mistakes andyou punished too many of us for

(27:56):
being imperfect and excuse usfor being imperfect where you
publicly humiliated way too manyof us as children.
You don't publicly humiliate meas a child and everybody else as
a child for what they've donewithout suffering the

(28:16):
repercussions.
You know, and I've never seen agroup of more evil people and so
whoever wants to stay and beheld accountable, good.
I want as many Jehovah'sWitnesses to be in that
organization when the hammerhits.

(28:40):
You know, I don't want it to bewhen the hammer hits for there
only to be like 500 of themleft.
I want them to be like 5 millionof them be put behind bars or 5
million of them to get suedwithin an inch of their lives.
You know what I mean?
I want as many of them that arethere to get hit with a lawsuit

(29:01):
individually as humanlypossible.
You know?
And it would be a shame if therewere only like a thousand of
them left A lot more need to bepunished.
Oh, I listed my Proclaimers bookup on eBay.
Talk about closure.
Did you see that?
No.

(29:23):
Yes.
That's how much closure I'vegotten.
I listed my precious Proclaimersbook on eBay.
And everybody knows...

SPEAKER_00 (29:41):
Do it have all your little study notes in them?

SPEAKER_02 (29:44):
Yep.
I signed it.
I'm like, this is XJW Smurfgirl.
I'm done.
I don't need to look at thatstupid Proclaimers book and make
a stupid video about that stupiddoctrine any stupid more times.

SPEAKER_00 (30:01):
So was that your last piece of literature?

SPEAKER_02 (30:05):
nah i think i've got one more book to list on ebay
and that's about it i neverwanna i don't need to look at it
anymore it's like a stupid

SPEAKER_00 (30:16):
you know everything

SPEAKER_02 (30:19):
Yeah, you know, it's, you know, of anybody who
thinks that the literature stillneeds to be gone through to
prove Watchtower is an idiot.
Like, trust me, everybody knowsthey're an idiot.

SPEAKER_00 (30:35):
Except active government

SPEAKER_02 (30:38):
witnesses.
You know, and leave them.
They're not worth it.
They're really, truly not worthit.
They're not.

SPEAKER_00 (30:47):
so okay let me ask you because oh my goodness every
day i get people asking me aboutsmurf girl

SPEAKER_02 (30:56):
yeah every day that must be

SPEAKER_00 (31:01):
annoying I think a lot of them want to know why you
are so mad.

(31:23):
What?
Why you're mad at theorganization.

SPEAKER_02 (31:26):
why

SPEAKER_00 (31:28):
yeah that's

SPEAKER_02 (31:28):
it that's the dumbest question i've ever heard
don't

SPEAKER_00 (31:31):
say don't say that

SPEAKER_02 (31:32):
no that

SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
is you can't say that's a dumb question some of
some of our listeners andviewers might be younger so no
question no question is a stupidquestion rose okay

SPEAKER_01 (31:56):
We

SPEAKER_00 (31:57):
want numbers to go up.
We want numbers to go up, Rose.

SPEAKER_02 (32:02):
Whoops, I dropped my glasses.

SPEAKER_00 (32:03):
We want numbers to go up.
By the way, we had Germany jointhe party and I think
Switzerland.

SPEAKER_02 (32:14):
Awesome.
Welcome.

SPEAKER_00 (32:16):
You know how we do that?
We're nice to people, Rose.
There's no stupid questions.

SPEAKER_02 (32:24):
Just stupid answers?
Just stupid answers by me.

SPEAKER_00 (32:29):
I mean, what they have on the radio, the dump
button when they, like, mute.

SPEAKER_02 (32:35):
Why?
Okay, so the question is, why isDemonize Smurf Girl so mad at
the organization?

SPEAKER_00 (32:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's the question.
It's a valid question.
A lot of people might not know.

SPEAKER_02 (32:51):
Because I'm demonized smurf girl and that's
my persona.

SPEAKER_00 (32:56):
Why are you demonized smurf girl?

SPEAKER_02 (33:00):
Well, because that's what Watchtower wants me to be.
Like, that's the persona theygave me.
But it's because they're sostupid.
Like, they're so stupid.
What is there not to be mad?
Okay, what is there not to bemad about?
You tell me what's not to be madabout.

(33:20):
Like, seriously.

SPEAKER_00 (33:21):
Bro, I know.
Why are you mad, Mitch?
I know, but we're talking.
God, this is so hard.
You're making me mad.
Oh, no, no, no.
Okay, you know why I'm so mad?
I want you to tell them, I know.

SPEAKER_02 (33:36):
No, you know why I'm so mad?
What?
It's because Jehovah's Witnessesask the most stupid questions
and say the stupidest things,and it makes me so mad.
I seriously can't take it.
They say the stupidest things.
No, I joke.

(33:56):
You know, if you're an apostate,if you're an apostate, you get
it.
You know what I mean?
You get it.
They get it.
They get it.
There's nothing not stupid aboutthe organ.
It's because it's stupid.
That's why I'm mad.
It's so stupid.
It's stupid is stupid is stupid.
That's a

SPEAKER_00 (34:14):
vague

SPEAKER_02 (34:16):
answer.

UNKNOWN (34:16):
God damn it.

SPEAKER_00 (34:16):
That's a vague

SPEAKER_02 (34:17):
answer.
No,

SPEAKER_00 (34:20):
that's my answer.
The reason

SPEAKER_02 (34:22):
I'm so mad is because it's so stupid.

SPEAKER_00 (34:25):
As a producer, I'm working hard to make numbers go
up.

SPEAKER_02 (34:32):
Too bad.
Oh, I thought I was workingtowards making the numbers go
down.

SPEAKER_00 (34:40):
Yeah, you're working on it, yeah.
That's a true statement.

SPEAKER_02 (34:43):
As a producer, or as a fellow producer, or as like
the star Mr.
Producer, that was a stupidquestion.
But

SPEAKER_01 (34:55):
you still didn't answer the question.

SPEAKER_02 (34:58):
No, it's because of why I'm so mad is that I can't
believe as a member of Mensathat I was made to do and live
in something so stupid as that.
That is the most unintelligentother than like Warren Jeffs.

(35:21):
would be a little bit stupider.
It's one degree above WarrenJeffs.
That's how stupid.
I can't believe that I was madeto live and deal with such a
stupid group of people, right?
And to believe such stupiddoctrine.

(35:43):
I can't believe as a member ofMensa that I was forced to
believe such stupid doctrinedoctrine about the Bible and
about life and about everythingfor so long.

SPEAKER_00 (35:59):
So we're getting somewhere.
So the first thing was thedoctrine.
Okay.
What about...

SPEAKER_02 (36:07):
And I'm mad about it.

SPEAKER_00 (36:09):
Yes, we get that.
I'm mad

SPEAKER_02 (36:11):
about how stupid it was.
It was stupid.
Have I mentioned how stupid itwas?

SPEAKER_00 (36:18):
Before we hit record the next episode, we're going to
have a long talk before thingswe can say and can't say.

SPEAKER_02 (36:26):
No, because it's true.
Hey, apostates, was it stupid orwas it not stupid?
It was pretty stupid what wewere made

SPEAKER_00 (36:32):
to do.
And for those who may not be asold as I am, Can you explain the
Smurf thing?

SPEAKER_02 (36:43):
Um, it's just me in a nutshell.
It was my first act of apostasyflipping out.
It's really hard to explain.
It's really hard to explain.
It was something.
It wasn't necessarily just me.
It was the adults.

(37:04):
I can't explain what those idiotadult Jehovah's Witnesses
thought I did.
I know what I did.
I know why.
um i'm sick of having to jumpthrough hoops to explain um you
know of who i am you know who iam if you're not if you don't

(37:24):
google it you know google itfill in the blanks um but it's
been going on for over 40 yearswow I can't just say it of an
over 40-year period of time.
I can't sum it up real simply.

(37:48):
You know what I mean?
People have been murdered overit in my own family and
otherwise.
Some people, when they repeatit, it's not something stupid.
It was extremely deadly.
And it still is.

(38:09):
Like, it's not just some urbanlegend.
Like, you know, it was a very,it is a very demonized family
that's got an issue.

SPEAKER_00 (38:21):
So that's why I wanted you, like, you're slowly
getting there.
Now that you're calming down,that's why I wanted people to,
like, understand.

SPEAKER_02 (38:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (38:34):
Like, we have an audience.
we do we have an audience andsome might not know as much as
others know so that's why I justwanted you to know our

SPEAKER_02 (38:47):
audience is all my old friends hey everybody I want
everybody to know I love you andfor years I want to say to the
audience though because they aremy people like anybody that
watches knows me or get to knowme but thank you for putting up

(39:08):
with me not showing my face.
For years, I wouldn't show myface because I was so worried
about Uncle Brent and stuff.
To the ones that went throughthat with me, thank you.
Of my viewers, of my viewers,they were there when I would

(39:29):
call them up on the phone andflip out.
Just like calling them up,scream crying because Uncle
Brent snapped.
There are people that areviewers that have been with me
being drunk crying together,being in person, sleeping over
at everybody's house, going toCalifornia, going to New York,

(39:53):
going here, going there.
We've been through stuff.
We've been in the trenches.
I don't have viewers that don'tknow me that haven't seen me in
person and we've slept in thesame hotel rooms together.
We've car crashed We've crashedtogether.
We've Kingdom Hall crashedtogether.
We've done protests together.

(40:13):
We've cried together.
We've talked for hours.
We have each other's phonenumbers, you know, that we know
each other.
And for years they knew me justwithout seeing my face unless
they met me in person.
But now it's like, you know, noweverybody gets to know me.
But for years and years andyears and years, you know, I've

(40:33):
been a presence in the communitylike way before you woke up,
Mitch, you know, like.
You know, if you're just gettingto know me, it's a shame my old
channel got taken down.
But it's been a journey.
Like, I don't even honestly knowwhere to start of what I've been

(40:58):
through, of the hoops I've hadto jump through.
Like, you know, at this point,like, I don't...
you know google it like googleit you know airplane banners and
all these different things ummurders and stuff of chaos um

(41:21):
you know it's way deeper thanthat like it's already been
substantiated in multipledifferent ways where people have
lost their lives

SPEAKER_00 (41:32):
I just, I think it's just important.
Like, yeah, everybody can Googleit, but I think like better help
coming straight from him outtoo.

SPEAKER_02 (41:42):
What?
Say it last part.

SPEAKER_00 (41:44):
I said that like anyone can Google it.
Yes.
But I said, I know some of itfor our audience would be
better, you know, just hearingit straight from you.

SPEAKER_02 (41:54):
Yeah.
Well, I guess with the big giantpiece of work that I am now,
cause I am a piece of work.
Um, I was like, that as a littlegirl.
And it's like, hey, you know, ifI've got to make a demonized
Smurf run down the aisle ofKingdom Hall to get attention
about what nightmare is goingon, I'm going to do it.
No matter what I got to do, itwas me getting attention to what

(42:18):
was going on in theorganization, what was going on
with me, what was going on withUncle Brent, what was going on
with Uncle Clyde.
That was my first attempt attrying to get attention about
what was being done to RoseBundy in You know, April 8th,
1982.
And now it's, you know,September 2025.

(42:38):
And, you know, I have gottenattention about it, but not what
I need.
And it's because, sadly, overwhat, you know, 43 years, the
witnesses want to focus onsomething that is stupid.

(43:02):
instead of i was being hurt andi made a big giant scene that
turned into an urban legendwhere people wanted to think
that i had some kind ofsuperhuman powers instead of
calling the cops doing the rightthing coming to rescue me they
wanted to gossip instead ofrescuing an abused trafficked

(43:25):
child And I don't want to talkabout something that I did that
got misconstrued that it's notsomething stupid.
It was completely serious.
It was completely deadly.
It's still deadly.
It's not something to takelightly.

(43:46):
I freak out about it everysingle day.
It's more serious than peoplerealize.
It's not something stupid like,you know, like, you know, it
was, you know.
And then they tried tosensationalize it and draw

(44:08):
people's attention and freakthem out about, oh, no, no, no.
It's not a bunch of traffickersand pedos that are responsible
for what happened with Demon EyeSmurf Girl.
It was the demons.
It's like, no, the demons wereWatchtower that made me do that.
and I will do it again and Iwill do it again and I will do

(44:30):
it again no matter how manytimes I need to do it and I'm
outspoken about it because I'man urban legend and if as the
producer there Mitch if I feelthat something's stupid as the
demonized urban legend if Ithink it's stupid I'm going to
say it's stupid and I don't haveto get into it because I'm

(44:52):
demonized you

SPEAKER_00 (44:53):
finally you finally touched on on what I wanted you
to touch on.
Being your producer is hard,I'll just tell you.
But you finally touched on it.
I wanted people to not knowabout the Smurf

SPEAKER_01 (45:09):
thing,

SPEAKER_00 (45:10):
but why.
And you said it all with all ofit.
You said what I was wanting youto say about you were trying to
bring attention to thetrafficking.
That's what I wanted people tohear come from your mouth.
We've talked about it.
And

SPEAKER_02 (45:29):
then as soon as it happened, I got traffic to all
of the conventions.
Got traffic through Hollywoodbecause of it.
You know, my Smurf being Chucky.
You know, Chucky right there.
You know, traffic throughHollywood.

(45:49):
There's nowhere that I haven'tbeen trafficked.
There's a soundtrack to it.
There, you know.
There's a series and it's likeif you want to know, just go
watch the Chucky series.
If you want to know whathappened and just put me in the
star position of which it shouldhave been in the first place and

(46:12):
it's a real shame that peoplehave made money off of the
horror that one little girl puta religion through.
And I regret nothing other thanI wish in Instead of repeating
something, instead of peoplefocusing on, you know, how did

(46:32):
you make a smurf run?
It's like, why don't you worryabout what was going on with me?
Why isn't one person like, Ihope that little girl's okay
that that happened to.
Not one person.
Not one person has ever said,boy, you know, there was a
little girl that that happenedto.
I hope that little girl's okay.
Instead, every single oneworries about the smurf.

(46:54):
They don't worry about me.
That's

SPEAKER_00 (46:58):
what they were asking me.
They wanted to know about you,not the smurfing.
Well, I was just being severely

SPEAKER_02 (47:06):
abused and that was a cry

SPEAKER_00 (47:07):
for help.
Yeah, that's what they'reasking.
Not the Smurf incident.
They know I don't talk aboutthat.
I don't like talking about

SPEAKER_02 (47:15):
it.

SPEAKER_00 (47:17):
Yeah.
They're trying to get to knowyou.

SPEAKER_02 (47:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (47:24):
I know it's triggering, but you know.
it's the most triggering thingyeah i know i'm sorry but i just
you know like i said we'retrying to i'm trying to help the
audience understand who you are

SPEAKER_02 (47:37):
no they they know i i think like every single one of
them would know but it's notit's just what washington did
and then what hollywood did tooyou know what they did in
conjunction that was so hurtfulthey made things so much worse
and and they caused people to bemurdered.

(48:00):
That's unforgivable.
That's unforgivable.
You know?
And then the witnesses want toact like victims.
It's like, no, you're not avictim.
You're not a victim at all.
You're the farthest thing from avictim.
And I was even saying, how manytimes do I have to say to the
family, you remember whathappened in 1982?

(48:21):
Hey, you don't want that tohappen again, do you?
And it did.
And it's like, oh, well, don'tbe crying.
Don't be moaning.
Don't be bitching.
You know, I said it veryspecifically.
When I say when something isabout to happen, you need to
listen.
And if they don't listen, theycan't cry about it afterwards

(48:43):
and say, oh, boo-hoo, look atwhat happened to us.
It's like, oh, no, I was allover the Internet saying, hey,
you need to be careful.
And when you don't listen, and,you know, it's like, and then
nobody cares.
Yeah.
Even Wash Tower doesn't care.
And it's sad.

(49:04):
It's really sad.
And even the authorities don'tcare.
Like, the authorities don'tcare.
Like, if I go to the police andsay, hey, I'm demonized smurf
girl, do you know how stupid thecops think that that is?
And it's not stupid.
It was something, you know,millions of us were put through
as satanic panic, but cops don'tget it.

(49:27):
You know, they just don't.
And it's like, I'm not, youknow, I'm like done going to the
cops because, you know, how manytimes do I have to go to the
cops and say, hey, and then Iget put in the hospital because
it sounds stupid, right?
Because it does sound stupid.

(49:48):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (49:52):
It's

SPEAKER_02 (49:52):
tricky.

SPEAKER_00 (49:57):
It's tricky.
Thank you.
Thank you.
That wasn't.
There we go.
We're breathing.
Okay.
We're breathing.

SPEAKER_02 (50:08):
Well, you know, I've got a personality and I've got a
reputation to uphold.
And, you know, I try not todisappoint.
I know you

SPEAKER_00 (50:23):
don't.
No,

SPEAKER_02 (50:24):
because, you know, everybody that's been around for
a while, they know me.
You know?
Like, for one, I don't put upwith it with myself and I don't
put up with it with anybody elselike with other people because I
know sometimes people like ifyou get asked questions to ask
me You got to understand what isthat person's agenda of asking

(50:50):
you to ask me something that'striggering.
Like, I would have, you knowwhat I

SPEAKER_00 (50:57):
mean?
I only run some by you.
I don't tell you everything

SPEAKER_02 (51:04):
they ask me.
Okay, ask me something else.
What else have you been asking?
Because what's funny is thatthey don't have the nerve to ask
me myself.
They can ask me.
I've got my own channel.
I've You

SPEAKER_00 (51:16):
have to understand.
What did I tell you when wefirst started talking?

SPEAKER_02 (51:20):
I forget.

SPEAKER_00 (51:21):
Oh, damn.
That hurt.

SPEAKER_02 (51:23):
Oh, they feel more comfortable asking you?

SPEAKER_00 (51:25):
No, I'm saying when you and I started talking, I
told you.
I was intimidated at first.
You scared me.

SPEAKER_02 (51:34):
Oh, yeah.
Nah.
I've been around way longer thanyou, Mitch.
I mean, come on.
They don't have to be scared ofme.

SPEAKER_00 (51:43):
I'm just a teddy bear.

SPEAKER_02 (51:44):
yeah they don't have to be scared of me

SPEAKER_00 (51:48):
i'm well that's what i'm trying to that's what i'm
trying to get them to see

SPEAKER_02 (51:51):
i'm well known just as myself i don't even need the
demonized smurf

SPEAKER_00 (51:55):
thing that's why you can't go saying it's a stupid
question i'm trying to get themto see how nice you are

SPEAKER_02 (52:04):
no i'm not

SPEAKER_00 (52:06):
glad you're

SPEAKER_02 (52:11):
a newbie mitch i'm i'm a sweetheart everybody knows
I've slept in people's houses.
Like, they live...

SPEAKER_01 (52:18):
Wait, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_02 (52:20):
They know.

SPEAKER_01 (52:21):
I

SPEAKER_02 (52:22):
have pizza with people.

SPEAKER_00 (52:25):
I'm not nice.
I'm not nice.

SPEAKER_02 (52:29):
I've met basically everybody, know everybody in the
community.
You know, met them in person orI knew them as a witness or I
know them as an apostate.
Yeah.
I know everybody.
They know me.
For goodness sake, they know me.
Like I said, it's the best.

SPEAKER_00 (52:48):
it's not from them it's not from them i'm asking
for the the newer generationthat's why yeah i'm not asking
for the old crusty people i'masking for the newer generation

SPEAKER_02 (53:03):
okay what else are you gonna ask

SPEAKER_00 (53:06):
nothing now you scared me

SPEAKER_02 (53:11):
oh sorry

SPEAKER_00 (53:12):
don't look behind you nothing behind

SPEAKER_02 (53:16):
you don't trigger me Oh

SPEAKER_00 (53:23):
my goodness.
What else do you get asked?
What else is going on?

SPEAKER_02 (53:31):
Nothing.
I'm just worried about thatbroadcast.
They're asking for nothing buttrouble.
they're touching on somethingthat they shouldn't that you
know they're asking for troublethat's all i can say

SPEAKER_00 (53:48):
what kind of blowback do you think it'll
cause

SPEAKER_02 (53:52):
Well, I think they're just trying to push
people over the edge, because mewatching it, I know how it was
pushing me over the edge, andI'm just like, I mean, there was
people that it was like, turn itoff, turn it off, I can't listen
to this.
Not even just me, but otherpeople that I know were like, I
don't want to listen to that.
That's ridiculous, and ittriggers people that weren't

(54:13):
even raised a witness.
They can't even listen to theirvoice.
And I know how it made me feel,and I know how it's going to
make other people in my familyfeel and and it feels I feel
nervous about it I really don'tcare how their reaction is but
I'm worried about what theirreaction is going to be I don't

(54:34):
whatever their reaction is goingto be I really don't care but
I'm worried about what it couldend up being you know and it's
sad that I don't care you knowit's like oh I hope that
broadcast really hit home youknow you ever hear where it's
like well that broadcast reallyhit home it's like yeah it
should it should um and then andthen and then even that music

(55:00):
video at the end of tell themthat they love them it's like oh
really how about tell them thatyou're sorry sorry goes a long
way you know it's like oh but ilove you okay also it's like
well i just want to go and tellyou that i was like oh really
well then why don't you tell meyou're sorry you know say you're

(55:25):
sorry they don't know how to saythey're sorry

SPEAKER_00 (55:30):
No, they don't.
That's what I point out topeople.
Even if one of the governingbody members was giving a talk
and he said they don't oweanyone apologies.
And I showed it to people toshow them what assholes they
are.

SPEAKER_02 (55:44):
Yeah.
And that's why we're all so mad,right?

SPEAKER_00 (55:49):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
They don't owe apologies toanyone.

SPEAKER_02 (55:53):
Yeah.
And I want to see everybody elsein the community, of which I've
seen is like don't worry aboutwhat anybody else thinks you say
what makes you feel better youjust say whatever makes you feel
better if it's like you'restupid you're this you're that I
hate you I can't believe thatyou were so stupid and you
raised me in something so stupidstupid stupid it's okay like

(56:17):
it's okay it's your own personalfeeling and we're not at the
kingdom hall anymore we're notat the kingdom hall we don't
have to worry about what sisterso and so thinks or brother so
and so thinks or oh you're goingto offend sister so and so but
you know sister so and so sisterso and so can shove it you know
if sister so and so doesn't likewhat I have to say I don't care

(56:41):
and everybody else should feelthat way too you

SPEAKER_00 (56:44):
know

SPEAKER_02 (56:46):
we're not at the hall anymore and that's

SPEAKER_00 (56:50):
what I said on my post today too it's just like I
don't I don't with thatorganization for like 54 years,
and I don't want to hear allthat crap that we heard at a
kingdom hall from anex-Jehovah's Witness.

SPEAKER_02 (57:06):
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (57:07):
I just don't.
I'm over it.
I don't want to hear that typeof talk.
I don't want to be judged.

SPEAKER_02 (57:13):
Yeah, and for me, I've been doing this for so long
that I can't retell the samestupid Smurf story over and over
and over and over again becausebecause it will make me insane.
You know, if people don't knowwhat happened with me, I'm
sorry, you know, and eventuallyI'll get into it.

(57:37):
You know, I get into it littlebits and little bits.
I was severely abused and it'ssomething I don't, you know,
want to get into with some ofthe people that I feel were my
abusers, you know.
My abusers like me to talk aboutit in great length or they want
to, you know, because I don'tknow all Also, who's asking you?

(57:58):
If I know who's asking you tohave me get into it in greater
detail, it depends on who'sasking.

SPEAKER_00 (58:06):
I wasn't asking for great detail.
They just wanted to know,basically, and they didn't even
want to know the Smurf story.
They said Smurf girl, talkingabout you.
They wanted to know where youranger came from.
That's what I wanted.
And you finally, after 15fucking minutes, you said it.
That's what I want.

SPEAKER_02 (58:28):
Yeah.
Why?

SPEAKER_00 (58:32):
I don't even talk about that damn Smurf story.
They asked me that and I waslike, I don't want to talk about
it.
But yeah, they just wanted toknow where the anger came from.
And you finally got to it.
So thank you.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 (58:44):
Because I'm an apostate.
All apostates are angry.
I'm no angrier than any othergoddamn apostate.
I'm not unique from anybodyelse.
When it comes to my anger.

SPEAKER_00 (58:58):
And

SPEAKER_02 (59:00):
I'm also angry for what they did to everybody else.
Like, I'm angry for what theydid to me.
I'm angry for what they did toeverybody else.
And, you know, I'm just angry ofwhat they did to everybody.
Me and everybody else.
Plain and simple.
Like, why wouldn't I be angry?
If I wasn't angry, oh, no, I'mfine.

(59:20):
Everything's good.
That would be dumb.

SPEAKER_00 (59:24):
I recorded an episode for my podcast.
I don't know when I'm going torelease it yet, but it was

SPEAKER_01 (59:29):
an

SPEAKER_00 (59:31):
ex-elder and he told me lots and lots of information.
I can't wait to release it.

SPEAKER_02 (59:39):
Yeah, good.

SPEAKER_00 (59:40):
Horrible organization.

SPEAKER_02 (59:43):
yeah it is so why was that elder up why was that
elder angry

SPEAKER_01 (59:52):
was he

SPEAKER_02 (59:52):
angry why was he angry why would he be angry i
don't understand that's a

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:06):
stupid question role i know

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:09):
i know i heard it from somebody else

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:13):
You misunderstood the question.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:16):
Yeah, orange

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:18):
shirts.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:19):
No, that just got me triggered.
And that's something that needsto be addressed, is triggers of
what triggers people.
And I know I'm not the only one,is certain things of...
Okay, let me ask you.

(01:00:43):
Number one is somebody whodoesn't know, who's ignorant,
who's an ignoramus...
comes up to you and i i've hadthis happen many times like in a
bar somewhere and they'll hearthat you're an apostate and that
you do what you do why are youso angry okay saying it like
that that's what i heard why areyou so angry it's like oh are

(01:01:06):
you that stupid you know what imean why is she so angry ask her
why she's so angry On behalf ofevery apostate on the face of
the planet, if you don't know,get out of our community.
Right?

(01:01:27):
You haven't been an apostatelong enough, Mitch.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:30):
You have not been an apostate long enough.
Before episode 9, we're going tohave a public relations class.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:38):
Not really.
Don't need it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:42):
Yes, you

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:43):
do.
No.
I'm urban legend for a reasonmint

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:49):
oh my goodness

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:53):
nope you didn't get here no it's like oh why do i
wear a green army jacket youknow i don't know but anyway
it's been an hour this has beenan interesting lecture after
dark

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:14):
there are people who may not know the full thing the
full story so we we just tellthem It's easy.
It was easy.
You answered the question.

(01:02:37):
I think you misunderstood.
You misunderstood.
They were trying to get to knowyou, not that story.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:45):
Who is it,

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:46):
though?
Mike.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:49):
Who is it?

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:52):
People from the, like, different social media
from Watch Star After Dark.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:58):
Oh.
Well, shout out to you

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:00):
guys.
The account I'm trying to grow.
The account I'm trying sodesperately to grow and trying
to keep listeners and viewers.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:10):
Oh.
What are we going to do?

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:13):
And let me just tell you all, as our producer, there
is no stupid question.
I apologize.
No,

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:19):
that's what Watchtower After Dark is all
about, is me flipping out.
I haven't had a goodold-fashioned six screens flip
out in a while.
And not on camera.
It was great.
I feel good.
No, that's the one good thingabout Watchtower After Dark is
that, like on six screens, youare at liberty to vent and talk

(01:03:44):
and say of whatever you feelthat no matter what there's no
holds barred and we're allowedto say what we want to say no
matter what me and everybodyelse and if we don't agree
that's fine you know and youknow I don't know that's what's

(01:04:08):
beautiful about it that's whatmakes Washer After Dark after
dark

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:13):
It is.
I just don't, you know, I justdon't want to offend any of our
new listeners, that's all.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:21):
No, we wouldn't.
They're badass.
They're part of the army.
No, they get it.
They're part of the army.
And if they're not, they'll beinducted soon.
Oh, and join the Watcher AfterDark group.
That's where the army meets.
You know, check out my YouTube.
TikTok.
Everything.

(01:04:42):
TikTok's growing real fast.
really good.
I'm proud of that.
I'm selling some weird stuff on

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:49):
eBay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:54):
No, and I'm selling some weird stuff on eBay, so
check out my eBay.
I put it on my

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:59):
Facebook.
Do you still have a songbook?

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:04):
No, I don't have the Watch Star songbook?
No.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:07):
Yeah, okay.
I was going to tell you to signthe wrist on the back cover and
sell it on eBay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:16):
Well, you know everybody hates that guy.
Because he's a pedo.
You don't want to sign a pedopicture.
You're seriously?
Nobody likes the back of thesongbook guy.
He's creep.
He's creep.
You wouldn't want to do that.
You don't want to be the back ofthe songbook guy.
No, because that's a picture ofa petal.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:37):
He got a small wrist anyway.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:40):
Yeah.
Yeah, you wouldn't want to dothat.
Well, thanks for havingWatchtower After Dark with me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:49):
You're very welcome.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:53):
What are you going to call this episode?
What are you going to call

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:55):
this

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:56):
episode?
The last one was scary.
The triggering of Smurf Girl.
As Chucky runs across the thing,he's just running.
He's running.
He's getting...
They should just have him uplike this.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:19):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:22):
No, he sleeps in here on the daily.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:26):
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:28):
I

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:29):
think that...
I think for next episode, youcan think on it, but I think
that would be a good topic.
Things that trigger X weaknessesto here.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:38):
Oh, yeah.
Number one, why are you soangry?
That number one most triggering,that would be the most
triggering.
It's like, what is there not tobe angry about, for goodness
sake?
You know.
Yeah.
Especially after so many years.

(01:06:59):
Especially when I've gottenclosure like I'm in the process
of healing and getting closureand you know I want everyone to
get closure and take my journeyas an example like if I'm able
to actually get proper closurethat I want them to know what

(01:07:20):
that looks like of where you canmove on and be a success and get
over your anger you know andthat of how to address if
somebody asks you you do nothave to answer a question just
because like for one if somebodyasks you a question you don't
feel like answering you can saywell that was stupid move on you

(01:07:41):
know of you've got a voice youyou know and and don't don't
allow yourself to be abused orum made to talk about something
you don't want to talk aboutjust because some random nobody

(01:08:01):
no name person said they want toknow I don't have to talk about
anything that I don't want totalk about and neither does
anybody else you know becauseyou don't know who's asking it
could be some pedo back of thesongbook guy that wants to ask
you some stupid question youknow and you can say sorry no I

(01:08:23):
don't want to you know I don'twant you know that's just the
way you know it is and it's likeit can be a very simple yes or
no or no i'm being supertriggered and hopefully with you
know people can understand thatAnd so, yeah, it's just, you

(01:08:51):
know, and I want people of theviewers to learn how to stand up
for yourself.
Just because, you know, somebodywants to ask a question or
something, you don't have to.
Very

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:05):
true.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:07):
Yep.
And that is a part of closurewhere it's like, no, if you're
put in an uncomfortablesituation, you can speak up for
yourself.
And if people who are yourfriends that have been watching
you for years and years andyears don't get it, I know for a
fact, I know for a fact thatevery single one of my friends

(01:09:32):
in the apostate community isgoing to know exactly what I am
saying right now.
Every single person in theapostate community that has been
with me along this journey isgoing to know exactly what I'm
talking about right now.
And if somebody who's a newbiedoesn't get what I'm saying, you

(01:09:52):
know, about anything, well, theyeventually will.
And just, you know, just knowthat you will understand what
I'm talking about eventually.
Or when they rewatch it or watchthis for the first time, time,
they'll say, oh, yeah, you knowwhat?
I kind of get what she's saying.
And if they don't get it, youcannot also satisfy everyone all

(01:10:17):
the time.
I can't please everyone.
All I want to do is pleasemyself for the first time in
forever, especially after beingraised the way that we were all
raised.
It's not about pleasing ananonymous audience.
It's about pleasing yourself andgetting closure.

(01:10:37):
So please don't sign the back ofthe songbook, Mitch, like you're
the back of the songbook guy,because that guy's a pedo.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:47):
Then why did you have me holding my wrist up
then?

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:50):
I didn't.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:52):
You did.
About two episodes ago, you toldme to hold my wrist up.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:57):
No, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:59):
Oh, my goodness.
I'm going to play it back foryou.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:03):
Right now?

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:04):
No, not right now.
I'm fine.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:05):
Okay.
Yeah, no, he's leering at thatlittle girl.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:10):
And now you tell me that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:15):
Yeah, no, that's a known thing.
Sorry about that if I did.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:18):
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:24):
Yeah.
But anyway.
Well, that's about it.
It's been an hour and 15minutes.
I got Worldly Caleb in the otherroom, actually.
Like, seriously.
He's been waiting on me.
So I got to go do some WorldlyCaleb stuff.
Me and Sophia.
Sophia and Worldly Caleb.
We're both Worldly.
Worldly Sophia and WorldlyCaleb.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:46):
Is that someone real?

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:47):
Yeah.
He's in the other room.
I put pictures of Worldly Caleb.
I have to check them.
Yeah, so Sophia and Kayla, we'regoing to go hang out.
So we love you.
Love you guys.
Thanks for hanging in with washafter dark.
It was a rough one, but you knowwhat?
Sometimes we'll wash after dark.
It gets, it gets emotional.

(01:12:10):
Like the wash after dark isknown for being an emotional
rollercoaster.
It always, it always is a motionrollercoaster for me.
And you know, if anybody did getoffended, just know, Hey, it's a
journey.
And if I was mistaken forflipping out or whatever, Oh,
well, you know, that everyone isallowed.

(01:12:35):
Everyone's allowed.
We went through something thatwas tragic and traumatic and
through trauma and throughabuse, sometimes certain things,
you know, and it's not that bigof a deal.
You know, if I think a questionis stupid, it's stupid.
Oh, well, it's like, I don't,you know, it's like, sorry.

(01:12:55):
And also, that was a little bitUncle Tony coming out.
I was stupid.
Like, God damn it.
You know, a little bit of UncleTony coming out.
So, a shout out to Uncle Tony.
I hope he's okay.
And to Jesse and Paul and Susan.
I hope they are okay.
And that maybe one day we'llhear from them.

(01:13:17):
And I love them.
And I hope you like myimpression of them.
But, so anyway, you got anythingleft to say, Mitch, before we
wrap it up?

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:28):
No, I'm good.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:30):
All right.
Thanks for allowing me to gettriggered.
Now you know what that lookslike.
It's not pretty, you know.
It's like, well, what about,it's like, no, because I flip
out and I'm okay, you know, andI flip out even on camera.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:43):
You're cool.
That's why,

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:47):
yeah.
All right.
All right.
Awesome.
Love everybody and thanks forlistening to the whole stinking
hour and 15 minutes of meranting.
Just You know what?
If we don't get any viewersafter this, I don't know what to

(01:14:09):
say.
Maybe we'll get canceled.
We're just trying to getcanceled.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:16):
You can thank your producer.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:18):
Yeah.
I

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:20):
know how to put butts in the seats.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:22):
You put what?

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:24):
I said I know how to put butts in the seats.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:27):
All right.
This was a great episode.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:30):
Yep.
Thanks, Mitch.
All right.
Check it out.
I'm Rose Smurf Girl Bundy onFacebook.
So find me on Facebook and onYouTube and everything.
And I love you guys.
We've been through a lot.
Lots of different channels.
Lots of different everything.

(01:14:52):
And I appreciate you guysallowing me to get closure like
you have.
I appreciate it a lot.
And I love you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:03):
Alrighty.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:04):
Alright, have a good one.
Thanks, Mitch.
Say goodbye.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:08):
Bye.