Can AI really shape the future of technology and business? Join me, Drew Lentz, the Wireless Nerd, as we tackle this monumental question in our latest episode of Waves. We start by unpacking the whirlwind that was my week, including some exciting developments with Google AdWords and the ongoing Wi-FiStand and SignalRoam initiatives. You'll get the scoop on the viral sensation DeepLiveCam, a groundbreaking software that creates digital doppelgängers, and my take on the pivotal role of AI in the tech landscape. Plus, hear about Cisco’s AI-driven layoffs and the unfortunate reality of Humane's highly anticipated AI Pin wearable.
Next, we shift our focus to significant global tech industry trends. Discover the European Commission's latest decision on the HPE / Juniper merger and its implications for market competition. We'll delve into China's ambitious Starlink rival and Amazon’s Project Kuiper entering the space race. We also discuss the evolution of internet protocols with the transition from HTTP to HTTP3 and the benefits of the QUIC protocol, emphasizing its impact on network performance and wireless connectivity. These advancements promise to revolutionize how we experience the web.
To wrap up, we explore how cutting-edge technology is transforming retail pricing strategies. Learn about Kroger’s use of AI and dynamic pricing models, incorporating electronic shelf labels and facial recognition to tailor customer experiences. We weigh the innovation against the privacy concerns it raises. Finally, we examine recent 5G baseband vulnerabilities and the intriguing discoveries at DEF CON, including hardware exploits and my own AI project involving Raspberry Pis. We don't shy away from controversies either, highlighting the troubling incidents at DEF CON and the "shade" for Palo Alto Networks. Don't miss this episode packed with insights, revelations, and a candid look at the future of tech!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good afternoon everybody.
How's it going?
It's me, drew Lentz, theWireless Nerd, and this is your
episode of Waves for August 13th.
Today is Tuesday.
It's 5.30 in the afternoon.
Just having a heck of a week.
So much stuff going on.
Yeah, just what a busy day.
You know I've been wrestlingwith AdWords all day.
It's been a while since I gotinto Google AdWords.
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I've been in there tweaking, uh, some settings for some of the
advertisements for one of theproducts that we've got going on
and fixing up the wi-fi standstuff.
So let me know if you see awi-fi stand ad up on a, on a
search, excuse me, or on socialmedia or something, give me a
holler, let me know.
I want to make sure it'sworking anyway.
So, good afternoon everybody.
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Hi, everybody out there in xland.
Hopefully we don't break x, youknow, like they did last night.
Uh, somehow I'm not worriedabout it, excuse me.
I don't know if there's gonna bea million people tuned into
this, but this is me.
This is not a likeness of me,although I was just flipping
through an article that doesn'thave any, doesn't have anything
to do with wireless, but, butthe DeepLiveCam is going viral,
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allowing anyone to become adigital doppelganger.
So, ars Technica, one of myfavorite sources under the
headline Deep Deception withBinge Edwards.
Over the past few days, asoftware package called
DeepLiveCam has been going viralon social media because it can
take the face of a personextracted from a single photo
and apply it to a live webcamvideo source, while following
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pose, lighting and expressionsperformed by the person on the
webcam.
While the results aren'tperfect, it shows just how
quickly the tech is developing.
It's the number one trendingrepo on github right now.
Um, pretty crazy, went fromfour to one pretty quickly.
It's available for free, so getit while you can.
Interesting deep live cam.
I'm gonna have to download thatand see if we can have some fun
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with it.
But this is yours truly.
Um, you know, not that itmatters.
I guess a lot of people youknow.
Compared to the people thatlisten to the podcast versus
watch the video, I mean we get adecent amount of plays.
I could use more.
I could use about 300 400 moresubs on youtube for me to get to
Mexico with my wife.
Well, actually we're about tohit 700 on there, which is kind
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of cool.
So I appreciate.
If I had a little applausebutton, I'd hit that, but I
appreciate everyone whosubscribes to the channel.
If you haven't subscribed tothe channel, do me a favor Run
over to YouTubecom, slash atWireless Nerd and subscribe to
it, because I would love to dothis broadcast from Mexico.
It's still out there.
My wife says that she'll behappy to take me to Mexico San
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Miguel de Allende and you arewelcome to join us if you'd like
to come to San Miguel.
If you've never been, it's agreat place.
So make sure to tell yourfriends, tell your family, have
a good time.
I don't use the funny YouTubervoice.
Maybe I should Do.
You think I'll get more views.
I did change my thumbnails,though I took a a minute to look
at my thumbnails and have somefun with those.
So that's been.
That's been pretty cool.
I'm using ai for everything,which is kind of neat.
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I'm a big, big believer in aibitches, as lee badman would say
.
Speaking of ai bitches, acouple, a couple things on that
note that have made the news inthe last week.
First and foremost, my thoughtsgo out to anyone who is going
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to be affected tomorrow afterthe earnings call.
I think is when it's scheduledto hit, but Cisco has made the
announcement that they're layingoff another 4,000 people.
It's the second set of layoffsthis year.
People, it's a second set oflayoffs this year.
As you know, or maybe you don'tknow, I got hit in the first
one and I have nothing negativeto say about Sys2Go, not because
I can or because I can't, butbecause they actually really did
a good job taking care of us.
It's pretty neat.
You know, I feel like my timethere was cut a little bit short
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, but you know, I did get to doall the amazing things that I
wanted to do and I'm sure thatthere's going to be a lot of
those feelings coming up prettysoon.
Number of people affected couldbe similar to, or slightly
higher than, the 4,000 employeesCisco laid off in February.
According to Reuters, it'lllikely be announced as early as
Wednesday with the company'sfourth quarter results, said the
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sources.
Is Wednesday with the company'sfourth quarter results, said
the sources.
But the thing that they get, orthe thing that gets me is, you
know, it's like Cisco didn'treply for comment.
Reuters reported the job cutblah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But then it takes its turn andit says the company has been
trying to incorporate AIproducts into its offering and
it may reiterate its target of$1 billion worth of AI product
doors in 2025.
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And so now it's the whole.
The layoffs are the latest inthe tech industry, which has
been cutting costs this year tooffsets and investments in ai.
So, to quote lee batman, aibitches speaking of another.
Another interesting article onthe ai front which is kind of a
bummer because I was lookingforward to seeing that thing get
pretty crazy was humane.
The ai pin, the one that theguy talked about at ted talks.
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It's you know, it looked likeit was Humane.
The AI pin, the one that theguy talked about at TED Talks.
It looked like it was going tobe a really neat step in the
direction of having a wearablethat could understand
contextually where you are andwhat you were doing and how you
were doing it, and they would beable to use that to present
information.
When you said all you have todo is tap and say what's the
weather outside, or you knowwhat's on my calendar today, or
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you know where's a nice place togo to lunch, it could
understand all of where you areand what you're doing.
However, it doesn't seem likeit landed very well.
People are returning Humane AIpins faster than Humane can sell
them, which is kind of a bummerfor a segment in that industry.
The AI pin is a lapel pin thatmarkets numerous features voice
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assistant, camera, laserprojector the creators claim
will replace smartphones as ago-to gadget costs 700 bucks.
It requires a 24 a monthsubscription, not including
taxes and fees, so it is abummer that that it isn't taking
as well as people thought itwould.
It viewed.
Internal diverge said it viewedinternal sales data showing
returns outpacing deviceaccessory sales within about
nine million dollars.
Internal data also reportedrevealed that 1,000 AI pin
orders were canceled before theyeven shipped.
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So rocky start to that.
But that doesn't mean the endof it and the people, the team
that are behind that.
I hope they bounce back fromthat pretty quickly.
So no AI for you.
I guess is that one that's theopposite.
Too much AI and too little AI.
You know where's the happymedium there.
You know.
Know where does it, where doesit, where does it make make its
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way into it?
Anyway, what else we got going?
Speaking of ai, earlier thismonth the european commission
approved unconditionally theproposed acquisition of juniper
by hpe.
Yay, breath of fresh air seeingthat coming from the eu saying
look it's cool, we're notworried about, but also kind of
some shade in there.
As you know, hpe supplies ITinfrastructure related software
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and cloud solutions.
Juniper supplies networkinginfrastructure and security
solutions.
The concern was about theoverlap.
Is there going to be overlapbetween switching and wireless?
Is there going to be overlapbetween HPE and Juniper?
And the EU is like, nah, theydon't really compete.
Wow, okay, I mean thanks, butthanks for the slap in the face.
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Hpe and Juniper are notconsidered the closest
competitors in the EEA market.
The body concluded Yowza, sookay.
And they said you know, to adda little bit of salt to that
wound, the European Commissionfound that in the EA, the merged
entity's market position wouldremain moderate and it would
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continue to face competitionfrom a wide range of competitors
, including those stronglyestablished players on the
market.
Wow, so they got some cojonesthere.
The European Commission waslike we don't really see that as
a threat to anyone else.
But I you know what I mean likeI'm glad that they, that they
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said it's cool that that theydon't have an issue with it
merging, but I, I am interestedto see what becomes of this.
Uh, because after the merger, Imean, I, I do think it will pose
competition.
I mean, I'm just gonna say it,those two come together, I mean
it's gonna be, it's gonna bepretty crazy it.
I think it will create somecompetition in the space.
You know, especially again,look, I mean, this was we talked
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about this before it's whenthere's turmoil in the
marketplace, where you've got,you know, big, solid, number one
now laying off another 4 000people, and now you know saying
ai, ai, ai, you know, and thenit's not.
It doesn't seem like the guardsare at the gate.
Man, I don't know how else tosay it.
It's, I'm just looking at this,I'm going golly, this is a big,
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open opportunity for people tocreep in.
And you know, with juniper andand hp coming together, I they
may not be big now separate.
We'll see, we will see.
Ah, what else we got going on?
Um, the china's launching a megaconstellation sounds a lot like
starlink.
You know, when I started toread more about starshield and
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what starlink's doing withstarshield and the government
and and how they are, what itcould possibly be used for, it
was only a matter of time beforeChina started launching stuff
into space.
The first batch of 18satellites for one of those
Chinese networks are going to belaunched into low Earth orbit
on Tuesday so I guess that wastoday, I don't know.
This was a week ago, so maybeit was last Tuesday A Long March
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6A rocket delivered 18spacecraft into polar orbit.
Yeah, so they've got aconstellation satellites that
are going up there.
Chinese officials have longsignaled their interest in
deploying a satellite network,or maybe several, to be
broadband air net, across chinaand other nations in its sphere
of influence.
There's a lot going on in theworld right now, um, so china's
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jumping into that game.
But you know, what I'm reallyinterested to see is Project
Kuiper and what's going on withAmazon.
They had that win in.
I think it was South Africawhere they won the opportunity
to do business there, and I'mwaiting for them to get going.
It's going to be cool to seethem enter the market and play
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alongside with Starlink, soit'll be pretty interesting
Along those notes, somethingthat affects all of us every day
.
Not a lot of this has to do withwhat I guess.
Satellites are wireless, butthis doesn't have much to do
with wireless, but it does atthe same time because, as you
know, when you jump online andyou click, or you click on a
link and you want to look at aweb page, whether it's on your
mobile browser, whether it's ona laptop or a tablet, um, use
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http, right, hypertext transferprotocol goes back and forth and
, and you know you, um hold on.
Did I get that right?
Is it hypertext transferprotocol, meaning he's gotta
look it up?
Yes, I did get it right.
Golly, I don't even know whyI'm doubting myself on that one.
That's like old school internet.
Anyway.
Um, use http to go back andforth and it's always gone
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across tcp.
And now is, you know, as thingsstarted to progress with google
chrome, quick started to makeits way into into the world and
now http3 is uh, is quick right?
This post is all about http3 andquick.
If you don't know what it is,there are many, many, many many
good resources.
There is an article postedabout this at kmcddev.
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It's called Y'all Are Sleepingon HTTP3.
And it talks about why QUIC isso awesome and why it feels
important.
Http3 abandons TCP in favor of achannel-aware, udp-based
protocol called QUIC.
And all I can think of y'all isthe joke that I would tell you
a UDP joke, but I don't care ifyou get it.
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Or I could tell you a TCP jokeand you don't acknowledge it,
and it doesn't matter if you getit or not and all those other
funny t-shirts that are made outof it.
But this is interesting to seeto me because there's some.
There's some true benefits hereand I think when you talk about
network optimization and whatyou're doing over wireless
wireless for a long time was theit wasn't the fastest part of
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the connection some could say.
But all of these modificationsand things that are being made
not just a product at theprotocol level, at the web level
and everything else aredefinitely going to help.
So it doesn't.
You know, even though theconnections are getting stronger
and more resilient and betterand faster and and everything
else are definitely going tohelp.
So it does, you know, eventhough the connections are
getting stronger and moreresilient and better and faster
and more throughput, things likethis are going to help.
Incredibly, um 30 of webtraffic is served with http3
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right now.
And what's wrong with tcp?
Some of the highlights thatthey put on here are multiple
streams.
It's only one connection withtcp.
It is a good and dynamicnetwork environment.
Why can't I use wi-fi andmobile at the same time?
Kind of important.
This is actually possible withtcp using a feature called
multi-path tcp, but the role hasbeen slow and difficult.
Quick's built-in support forconnection migration and uh,
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zero rtt.
Resumption offers a smoother andmore efficient solution,
potentially enabling truemultipath connectivity in the
future.
Yay, now, when you cut this is.
This is part of what makes thisfascinating to me is that when
you build that in and then youlook at where we are with a
multi-link optimization with mLO, and then now you look at
what's coming down the pipe withWi-Fi 8, with not just link
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aggregation but multiple APaggregation, now you need
something that supportsmultipath in your ability to not
just send but also to receivepackets on your web browser.
So what you're looking at needsto be able to handle that.
So it doesn't mention it inhere, but I'm looking at that
going okay well, does that meanthat it's going to work better
there?
So QUIC and HTTP3, fasterconnections, fewer round trips
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instead of three needed for TLSplus HTTP.
Quic has just one zero roundtrip time, resumption,
multiplexing, improvedcongestion control lots of
really cool, cool stuff.
So it's neat to see that hdp3is jumping is jumping on that
and there's there's a statistichere most major cloud providers
support it, most major loadbalancers support it, all major
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browsers now support it.
It's a you know 30 web traffic.
So the downside is is, if youlook at, if you're doing
protocol analysis and you'relooking at web traffic and
you're looking at, you knowyou're trying to pull that
traffic apart you can see tcptraffic, you can see where it's
going, coming to.
But because of the multiplexing, I believe, and because of the
the nature of quick, sometimesyou just see it listed as quick
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traffic.
So I haven't, I haven't lookedat those packets a long time,
but does this mean that we losethe ability to go and look at
host um?
You know a source anddestination and things like that
.
So I'm curious because I knowwith Quick, once you saw Quick
it was like, oh, can't sayanything, it's in Quick.
So I wonder if that's going tobe effective.
It could sound really dumb, butI think that that's right.
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So I'll take a look at it.
If you have any insight intothat, let me know or post online
.
Anyway, what else we got goingon?
So HTTP3 and QUIC very, verycool, affecting every little
thing that we do.
What else is being affectedEarlier this month?
Other things that are going on.
Oh, this was fascinating.
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Kroger's new dynamic AI pricingscheme is quote, corporate greed
out of control, say the critics, and this is a story that ran
online and I don't even know ifthis is a legit website.
It's called raw story um juliaconley from common dreams.
I don't even know if that's areal person in a real place, but
I posted this article and it'stalking about, uh, expressing
doubt.
The new artificial intelligencepart dynamic pricing model used
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by kroger is truly meant tobetter the customer experience
center, elizabeth war Warrensaid on Friday.
The practice shows howcorporate greed is out of
control.
Here's the thing, man, I don't.
Oh, this is a tough one.
So it goes on to talk about whatKroger, how they started using
information, electronic shelflabels and and shelf information
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and and what they're doing withthat data.
Nearly you know.
Let's see.
It says it first introduced in2018.
Expanded 500 of 3 000 stores.
Last year, the company'spartner with microsoft to
develop electronic shelf labels,known as enhanced display for
grocery environments or edge,using a digital tag to display
prices in stores so employeescan change the prices throughout
the day with the click of abutton.
Now inter cameras andinter-intelligence right
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Inter-artificial intelligenceThrough its work with
intelligence known to Microsoft,kroger has gone beyond just
changing prices based on thetime of day or other
environmental factors and isseeking to tailor the cost of
the good to individual shoppers.
Now, this is fascinating to me,and you know, you think about
pricing with, with what'shappening with with vehicles,
whenever you do like an uber orwhatever, but when you look at,
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when you look at what can happenin a grocery store, um, it's
interesting and so.
So one of the things that thesenator just mentioned, I'm
gonna, I'm gonna read this realquick.
It says the edge shelf helpskroger gather and exploit
sensitive customer data okay, Idisagree with the term exploit
and also sensitive.
Through a partnership withMicrosoft, kroger plans to place
cameras at digital displayswhich will use facial
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recognition tools to determinethe gender and age of a customer
captured on camera and presentthem with personalized offers
and advertisements on the Edgeshelf.
All right, let's break thatdown real quick.
It's using a camera to dofacial recognition, okay, but
it's using the data from thatfacial recognition to say all
right, well, you know what Drewis?
Middle-aged, white guy.
We're going to make the priceof spam go up or we're going to
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make it go down, or we thinkhe's more likely to buy this or
less likely to buy this, ormaybe I'm more likely to pay
more for you know craft beerthan I am for something else.
So as I walked down the aisleit's going to change the pricing
based on me.
First of all, very cool use oftechnology.
I got to say that's kind ofawesome if it's a benefit.
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But I understand there could besome concern Also.
I mean there's a benefit here,right, if there's nobody in the
store and nobody's shopping andthey know that they've got to
dump the fruit or there's onlytwo days left before expiration
of certain dairy products orwhatever it is, and it knows
that you know what.
Drew's the only person we'veseen for the last three hours.
Let's tank the price of milk sowe can get rid of it and he can
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get what he needs and everybodywins.
That's kind of awesome.
I've seen this technology inaction, for the most part not
tied together like this, but atthe retail show, the NFR show
National Federation of Retailersin New York this past year.
It was so cool to see this.
I mean it's interesting.
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They set up cameras on one sideof the aisle to look at the
other side of the aisle and viceversa, and it does everything
from make sure that there'sinventory to look at the labels,
make sure it's facing right andsee what people pick up and see
where people go and do theyreach for a top shelf or go to
the bottom shelf so I canunderstand where it's coming
from.
I don't know that it would beused for price gouging, but then
again, I live in a world whereI don't think people take
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advantage of each other, sothat's one of those things where
it's like I guess if you lookat it in a negative way, it
could be seen that way.
But I mean, how are you, how doyou?
How do you present?
How do you present that in away?
Or how do you, how do you ask acompany to to use the data to
not do something there?
I mean what's negative, right?
Anyway, the same thing that'sgoing on.
I mean this is happening in inthe hotel industry and in the
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Airbnb industry right now, wherethey're saying are they using
data to, you know, run through,basically surge pricing on
properties, on houses, onrentals, on, you know, like I
said, airbnbs or hotel rooms orwhatever.
It is so interesting concept,definitely.
You know.
What's great about this is youthink about ESL and electronic
shelf labels, that's all I mean.
These things are all connectedvia wireless.
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So this is how it falls in myrealm, or at least I justify,
justify that I'm going to talkabout it.
But you know it's.
Aruba has a killer ESL product.
You missed, you missed has akiller ESL.
Francisco has an incredible ESLproduct.
You know SES imagine imago tag,and I forgot what they're called
.
Now they did change their name,but those are the guys that I
saw at.
What are they called?
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Now I remember what they'recalled.
Anyway, they were the ones thathad the booth up at Vusion
V-U-S-I-O-N, so VusionTechnology for Positive Commerce
.
I mean, if you want to take alook at it, go to Vusioncom,
v-u-s-i-o-ncom and you can seesome of the ways that they're
doing this.
And it's not just aboutchanging pricing and how that
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relates down to the label, butit's about the entire ecosystem
that runs around this.
So if you've never looked intothis and you want to see
something really cool,definitely go check it out.
And vision is supported.
You know the magic type ofstuff is supported by a number
of wireless manufacturers.
So if this is something that ifyou're in the space of retail
or if you're in the space thatsomeplace that needs electronic
shelf labels, there is somereally, really, really cool
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technology out there.
Uh, that's being enabled.
So take a look at that.
I'm gonna leave that one forlast.
Let's see.
What else do we got, uh, china,we've got quick.
We've got humane.
We've got cisco.
We've got the europeancommission.
We've got kroger veto for theolympics man.
You know, at ces, every yearthey have this, they, they talk
about what's going to happenwhen people can start launching.
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You know vehicles and duringvertical takeoff and landing and
it says, uh, you know, vtol issupposed to be setting up for LA
2028, archer to set up.
Archer is an email company.
It's setting up air taxinetwork in LA 2026, ahead of the
world cup.
So that will be crazy to see.
They're basically big drone,vertical takeoff and landing
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drones and they've got a mapthat's published online.
You can take a look at it.
Look at the Archer LA networkmap and you can see where it's
flying to and from.
And Archer's partnered recentlywith Southwest Airlines.
It gives Archer access toairline customer data to
identify locations forvertiports Vertiport, vertiport.
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I've never been to a vertiportbefore.
I wanted to fly blade.
One time, when I was in newyork city, they had this really
cool deal you pay, you know, acouple hundred bucks, you can
get on a helicopter and insteadof waiting two and a half hours
to fly out east, you could justjump on a blade and do it in 20
minutes.
And I wanted to feel special,but I didn't do it.
It Because, dude, that's likefive or 600 bucks Out of my
realm.
That's above the threshold forme feeling special.
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I'll feel special for like 200bucks maybe, but definitely not
500 bucks.
That's a lot to spend.
Doesn't fly underneath the wiferadar, anyway.
And also, how do I explaingetting there four hours earlier
, three hours early, by takingoh, I took a helicopter over
here, babe.
It's cool Anyway, uh, but mydreams may soon come to fruition
(21:43):
in 2028, um, by using VTOL atthe Olympics.
That'd be kind of cool.
What else is going on?
News for people that operatewireless networks Um, instagram
is embracing photo dumping 20photos compared to 35 of Tik TOK
.
I didn't know you could put 35photos on TikTok at once.
You can do that on TikTok, andnow Instagram is jumping up to
20.
So you can upload 20 photos oneach of your posts now, instead
of the old school 10.
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So, man, you know it's like Ihave photos everywhere.
I've got photos on my harddrive.
I've got photos on multipledrives.
I've got photos on Flickr.
I'm like a Flickr lifetimemember.
I've got photos on Google Cloud.
I miss Picasa.
Does anybody miss Picasa?
I miss ACDC, the old Windowssoftware.
Anyway, there's all theseplaces that photos are.
When's someone just going todevelop a way to have all of
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your photos in one place and nothave to worry about?
You know, I feel like GeorgeCostanza, like the wallet that
he carries.
But with my photographs, I havephotographs of every event and
like, what do I ever do withthem?
Nothing.
I go back every once in a whilewhen I have to remember
something.
But that's what ai is for.
I can't, that's what I can'twait for.
I can't wait to be able to loadall of my photographs into ai
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so that I can just ask myselfquestions.
That's really that's going tobe awesome, maybe, you know, I
don't know how close gemini isto work on that with google and
I don't know how close Gemini isto working on that with Google
and I don't know how, I mean,maybe Meta is doing.
I mean huge announcements fromMeta on the AI front.
I know you're not covered onthis show, but, dude, what
they're doing with Lama isincredible and it's built into
everything.
It's all over my Instagram,it's all over WhatsApp, it's all
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over Facebook.
It's everywhere, man.
So hopefully soon they'llintegrate that with photos,
being able to say you know whatwas the name of the restaurant
that I ate at with my wife in2022 in san jose, and we had
lobster.
You know, look at the photosand find out.
Maybe it's already there, hellI don't know.
If only I knew someone over atmeta ai.
Just kidding, hi guys, good tosee you.
Anyway, what else we got goingon?
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Um hackers could spy on cellphone users by abusing the 5g
baseband flaws.
Researchers say this was prettycool.
Using a custom-made analysistool they called 5g base checker
, the researchers uncoveredbaseband vulnerabilities made by
samsung, mediatek and qualcomm,which are used in phones made
by, you know, google, oppo,oneplus, motorola, samsung,
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nobody big.
Uh hussein is an assistantprofessor at pin state told tech
crunch that he and his studentswere able to trick phones with
these vulnerabilities uh intheir 5g base bands into
connecting to fake base stationsessentially a fake cell phone
tower and then launch theirattacks from there, because once
they're on your network, youcan do whatever you want to do
with them.
This was covered in uh techcrunch is where I read it.
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Lorenzo franceschi bichariaI've bicharia, your name.
Sorry about that, uh, but youknow, I at least like to give
credit to the people that wrotethe article.
I didn't write this article,but it's pretty cool.
Hackers could spy on cell phone.
This is on tech crunch.
A group of researchers saythey've uncovered a series of
security flaws in different 5gbasebands and they present their
findings at black hat on lasvegas last wednesday, as well as
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an academic paper and the.
They've said that.
You know the different groupshave said that they are fixing
this or that they have fixed it.
At the time of writing, theresearch is identified and got
patched 12 vulnerabilities indifferent 5g base bands.
But it's just showing thatthere's a different way to
attack the network now and as wemove towards towards more
complicated or more complexnetworks, away from a simple AP
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into multiple frequencies,multiple APs, multiple
connections Now there's justmultiple vulnerabilities.
It seems like there's moreplaces that people can take
advantage of data or takeadvantage of those connections.
So I'm curious how somethinglike this is going to have these
long-term effects.
This is just the beginning ofsomeone doing something with 5G
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Baseband.
Where does it go from here?
I, for one, welcome our AIoverlords.
Yes, we got a comment fromYouTube, luis.
Fantastic.
I love our AI overlords.
There's a lot of fun stuff.
If you know, I really enjoyusing AI tool sets and having a
good time with them.
I wrote an entire applicationstack using AI, so I guess I
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can't say that I wrote it, but Itold ChatGPT to write it and it
did just a bang up job.
I'm not going to lie.
I had a really good time doinga no code project and I posted
about it on LinkedIn.
It's where I took two raspberrypies and I plugged a microphone
into one and I set it up outside.
And I took another one and Ihooked it up.
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I've got speakers in a bunch ofthe rooms in my house and I
plugged it into my whole homeaudio system and I made it so
that I could tune to that, youknow, to that channel or to that
port on my audio system and itwould play back whatever it was
hearing outside.
I put the microphone outside my, you know, outside the door
over here and I could hear thebirds, I could hear the chirping
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, I could hear the crickets, Icould hear everything that was
out there and it was a neat way.
I don't I didn't want to openthe windows and the doors in 108
degree heat, but I still wantedto feel like I was outside, so
I got to have the outside inside.
It was a pretty cool projectand so I had a real good time
doing that, but I did the entire.
I had chat, gpt, write everysingle piece of code on there,
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which was the one of the mainreasons I did it.
I wanted to see if I couldwrite a program without actually
writing a program and I did it.
So the AI overlords, man, lovethem or hate them.
Ai bitches, leave badman, eatyour heart out.
Can't wait to see you, man.
Hope we get to see you prettysoon anyway.
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What else we got?
Now, speaking of hackers,before I get into that, doom and
Doom 2 get a definitive releasethat's packed with upgrades.
The classic games are nowavailable in a combined package
with cross-platform onlinemultiplayer in an in-game mod
browser, a new single-playerepisode and more.
Bethesda Surprise dropped onThursday Doom and Doom 2.
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Go check it out.
I don't even know where it's atthe slayersclubbethesdanet or
if you go to Bethesdanet forBethesda software, doom and Doom
2.
Man, I'm going to go downloadand play it this afternoon and
have some fun with that.
So that goes.
You know, first WordStar andnow Doom.
I love it.
What else is going to come out?
You know if there's a CrystalCaverns or if there's an old
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school Duke Nukem that pops up?
You know, color me happy.
That would be awesome.
Okay, so the other thing thathappened last week you know that
I thought was prettyinteresting and some stuff came
out of good stuff and bad stuffwas DEF CON.
Def CON was last week.
You know it started with BlackHat, then led into DEF CON,
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madness at DEF CON, all kinds ofthings that were happening out
there.
I was not there.
That's a show I've never beento, always wanted to go and I've
just never.
I don't even know when it is.
It's not on my regular calendarso I never go.
But maybe next year I'll reallytry and go.
I would have so much fun, Ithink, just being a fly on the
wall.
Uh, so the madness at defcon,from this, from this chair's
perspective, the things that Isaw that that I paid attention
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to.
Uh, first and foremost the themess with the hardware and the
firmware that was going on outthere.
Apparently and and you know,don't get me wrong if if I mess
this up it's not my, you know,this isn't really my, my space,
but the defcon paid a group tobuild the badges for them and
they went back and forth, backand forth with the people that
were making the badges and therewere overruns on timelines and
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budget and everything else, andso they canceled their contract
with the people that were makingthe badge and they moved it to
someone else to make the badge,but the guy who wrote the
firmware for the original badgethe firmware was, I guess, was
already written or maybecontinued to write it, and so
then there were some issues thatthey were having at at the show
.
And then there's like all thisdrama where people are saying,
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well, defcon didn't pay theirbill and then the guy who wrote
the firmware didn't get creditand the other guys didn't get
credit, so he put an easter eggin and they got dragged off the
stage, where he really didn'tget dragged off the stage.
It was kind of like atongue-in-cheek type of thing
and there were all these thingsthat happened and then
everything got posted online.
But it was crazy to see likethere was this whole upheaval
and it just made me think, youknow, and then all these memes
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started coming out about DarkTangent, the guy who's the
organizer for DEF CON, and itwas like man, how long before
the conference turns on theconference?
Because it almost felt likethat was about to happen, almost
felt like that was about tohappen.
There's a lot of crazy stuffhappening with those badges out
there.
Um, you know, but I itresonates with me, right, I've
had projects go over in time andin money and I know what it's
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like to work with some, withwith either a team or a
manufacturer group, that thatruns you through budget and
you've at some point you've justgot to cut the line and move
over to someone else to get theproject done.
So I get it it, um, I'd hopethey didn't stiff them though,
because that's kind of I don'tknow again, not not my, not my
circus, not my monkeys overthere, but it was crazy to read
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because that like blew upeverywhere and then there was
the inspection of rooms that washappening.
You know like seriously, I'vestayed at resorts world.
What's up with that man?
I mean, if you're gonna hostthe conference, they go all in.
But no, they sent out lettersto people saying that there were
going to be security checks andthat they were going to go into
people's rooms.
And so there was a you know,five days ago, imga's 4063 post
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on reddit that that you knowpeople are saying that they're
going to do a security check inhis room and you know, to prove
that they weren't a threat orhave devices that could
compromise the network securityin an aggressive way, they
demanded to have their roomsopen up and go through the stuff
.
And things escalated and armedsecurity guards came in with the
intention of breaking the doordown to get us out.
They wouldn't reason.
I opened the door.
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They aggressively asked for IDs, started reading some of the
policy out loud, escorted peopleout of the property Without a
care in the world, it says.
On our way down the hall thereare many more security personnel
knocking on doors and gettingpeople out, just like a drug
raid.
Um, crazy man.
Cyber, cyber securityprofessionals must stick
together to make things rightfor the good of everyone.
Discrimination cannot betolerated.
If you know how to help in anyway legally, awareness etc.
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Please do.
That is on the r slash, defconuh, reddit subreddit for defcon.
There's just a lot of stuffthat was happening out there.
I get it.
I mean they want to look outfor the security of their, of
their hotel, so that's why youhost a hackers conference.
Come on, man like that.
Just that just doesn't seemright.
What's going on there?
The other thing that didn'tseem right that palo alto man,
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palo alto networks for shame.
Uh, I saw this posted online bysomeone who's a connection of a
connection olivia rose, veteranglobal cso executive advisor.
Security maturity.
I miss olivia rose.
I don't know you and I don'tknow what you do.
I don't even know who you workfor.
Let me scroll down cso.
Founder of the rose cso group.
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Board of directors forcyversity faculty.
Member of IONS, ciso, vp ofAmplitude, ciso for MailChimp in
her past Lots of good stuffthere.
She posted a picture online ofPalo Alto Networks and Cyber
Risk Collaborative Happy Hourwith women wearing lampshades
over their heads, completelycovering their faces, and the
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comment was so women are nothingmore than props to you.
We're only a black hat to belampshade holders.
Damn, I mean palo alto.
Come on, dude, poor, poor taste.
Whoever executed that one,that's.
That's tough man, uh.
But the, the cmo of palo alto,responded.
Here it is, it says last week,a black hat.
An unfortunate decision was madeat palo alto network's event to
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have hostesses wear brandedlampshades on their heads.
It was tone deaf and poor tasteand not aligned with our
company values or brand.
I take full responsibility forthe misjudgment.
I've addressed it with my teamand I'm taking further steps to
prevent such misguided actionsin the future.
Please accept my heartfeltapologies for this regrettable
incident.
Also, I should note I shouldadd this note that in the event
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they read the comments here,apollo Alto shall also be made
aware that I've personallyreceived multiple messages from
women about the company who aretoo scared to speak up about
this decision.
Quite a bro culture going onthere.
Sounds like dang man.
So I'm glad they addressed it.
But that was like terribleoptics.
I mean you would, I don't know,I'm nothing to say other than
that was, that was rough man,don't do that, don't do that.
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That's not cool Anyway.
So I mean, def CON was makingthe headlines for all these
weird things.
That's what I'm saying, notweird, just like things that
aren't related to what it'ssupposed to be about.
And then, when it came foractual content, I didn't read
much.
I didn't read much about thepresentations.
I didn't read much about thepresentations.
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I didn't read much aboutanything groundbreaking that was
going on there, because therewas so much buzz I don't want to
say static, it's not the rightword there's so much other stuff
being talked about.
It's important stuff.
I mean the badge hardwareissues, stiffing the badge
company, the inspection of therooms, the way that they
mistreated females.
I mean this is like dude,that's not what you want your
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conference to be known about.
So that's kind of rough.
But then the things that thething that did pop out was the
HID keys, the.
However, they were showing howthere were researchers on the
DEF CON stage that showed howthey were able to compromise the
HID keys, not by you know thethe hotel room keys, right, the
HID keys, not by you know thehotel room keys right, the HID
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is the name of the company buthow they were able to compromise
it, not just from the keyperspective, but they were HID
more customers about thisexistence.
The method the researchers planto show off allows the secret
keys to be pulled out of theencoder.
So at the hotel desk where theyput the little key down and
they encode your key somehow,getting access to that using one
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of their programming keys,getting access to the data
that's on there and then postingthat to dark web and sharing it
.
So like if you, if I, go to theHilton down the street and I
grab that data and then share itwith the dark web.
Now all of a sudden I've gotyou know, everyone has access to
the Hilton that's down thestreet from me.
That's tough man.
That's a tough one to swallow.
So that was the only big thingthat I read about.
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I didn't see anything crazyabout Wi-Fi.
I didn't see anything crazyabout IoT.
I'm sure it was talked about,but all of the lights in the
press were tuned and focused onwhat was going on with the other
stuff.
So if you know of anything thathappened at DEF CON, please let
me know.
No, the HID thing was prettynuts.
The HID did warn the customersabout the existence's
vulnerability and said hackerswould be able to clone it.
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This was back in January.
It has recommendations on howcustomers can protect themselves
, but it offered no softwareupdate at the time.
So I don't know if they endedup doing that or not, but you
know that was the last thingthat I heard about there.
Anyway, that's what's going on.
That's what I got this week Funweek, man.
Lots of fun stuff.
Getting ready for the picturethat I post.
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I've got all the equipmentsitting back there on the shelf
right over there Going to dosome fun test runs with that.
What else I spent this week?
We got Signal Roam running onopen Wi-Fi, which is pretty neat
.
I love the open Wi-Fi stuff andrunning Signal Roam across it's
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very cool.
Also, I've got my handy prismright beside me, so I've got
some testing to do with that.
Shout out to IB Wave again.
And I just found out I don'teven know if I can talk about it
.
Let me open my email and see ifthis is talkaboutable.
Yay on the event.
We'll share more details withyou soon.
There's an event coming up.
There's a launch august 21st um, august 21st that's in nine or
eight days there's a new launchcoming out.
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I'm not going to say who orwhen, but what I will say is
look at, pay attention to what'shappening.
Uh, in eight days there's goingto be a really cool
announcement about somethingthat I got to see a while back
and I'm excited and hopefullyI'll be able to do a quick
recording and we'll show it offhere on the podcast so anyone
who pays attention to Waves canread it or watch it.
Anyway, have a wonderful week.
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Thank you for listening asusual.
Tell all your friends and yourfamily about it, make sure you
like and subscribe All rightchat, appreciate it.
Have a great week.
I will talk to you all next.
Good afternoon everybody.
How's it going?
It's me, drew Lentz, theWireless Nerd, and this is your
episode of Waves for August 13th.
Today is Tuesday.
It's 5.30 in the afternoon.
Just having a heck of a week.
So much stuff going on.
Yeah, just what a busy day.
You know I've been wrestlingwith AdWords all day.
It's been a while since I gotinto Google AdWords.
(00:20):
I've been in there tweaking, uh, some settings for some of the
advertisements for one of theproducts that we've got going on
and fixing up the wi-fi standstuff.
So let me know if you see awi-fi stand ad up on a, on a
search, excuse me, or on socialmedia or something, give me a
holler, let me know.
I want to make sure it'sworking anyway.
So, good afternoon everybody.
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Hi, everybody out there in xland.
Hopefully we don't break x, youknow, like they did last night.
Uh, somehow I'm not worriedabout it, excuse me.
I don't know if there's gonna bea million people tuned into
this, but this is me.
This is not a likeness of me,although I was just flipping
through an article that doesn'thave any, doesn't have anything
to do with wireless, but, butthe DeepLiveCam is going viral,
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allowing anyone to become adigital doppelganger.
So, ars Technica, one of myfavorite sources under the
headline Deep Deception withBinge Edwards.
Over the past few days, asoftware package called
DeepLiveCam has been going viralon social media because it can
take the face of a personextracted from a single photo
and apply it to a live webcamvideo source, while following
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pose, lighting and expressionsperformed by the person on the
webcam.
While the results aren'tperfect, it shows just how
quickly the tech is developing.
It's the number one trendingrepo on github right now.
Um, pretty crazy, went fromfour to one pretty quickly.
It's available for free, so getit while you can.
Interesting deep live cam.
I'm gonna have to download thatand see if we can have some fun
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with it.
But this is yours truly.
Um, you know, not that itmatters.
I guess a lot of people youknow.
Compared to the people thatlisten to the podcast versus
watch the video, I mean we get adecent amount of plays.
I could use more.
I could use about 300 400 moresubs on youtube for me to get to
Mexico with my wife.
Well, actually we're about tohit 700 on there, which is kind
(02:08):
of cool.
So I appreciate.
If I had a little applausebutton, I'd hit that, but I
appreciate everyone whosubscribes to the channel.
If you haven't subscribed tothe channel, do me a favor Run
over to YouTubecom, slash atWireless Nerd and subscribe to
it, because I would love to dothis broadcast from Mexico.
It's still out there.
My wife says that she'll behappy to take me to Mexico San
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Miguel de Allende and you arewelcome to join us if you'd like
to come to San Miguel.
If you've never been, it's agreat place.
So make sure to tell yourfriends, tell your family, have
a good time.
I don't use the funny YouTubervoice.
Maybe I should Do.
You think I'll get more views.
I did change my thumbnails,though I took a a minute to look
at my thumbnails and have somefun with those.
So that's been.
That's been pretty cool.
I'm using ai for everything,which is kind of neat.
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I'm a big, big believer in aibitches, as lee badman would say
.
Speaking of ai bitches, acouple, a couple things on that
note that have made the news inthe last week.
First and foremost, my thoughtsgo out to anyone who is going
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to be affected tomorrow afterthe earnings call.
I think is when it's scheduledto hit, but Cisco has made the
announcement that they're layingoff another 4,000 people.
It's the second set of layoffsthis year.
People, it's a second set oflayoffs this year.
As you know, or maybe you don'tknow, I got hit in the first
one and I have nothing negativeto say about Sys2Go, not because
I can or because I can't, butbecause they actually really did
a good job taking care of us.
It's pretty neat.
You know, I feel like my timethere was cut a little bit short
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, but you know, I did get to doall the amazing things that I
wanted to do and I'm sure thatthere's going to be a lot of
those feelings coming up prettysoon.
Number of people affected couldbe similar to, or slightly
higher than, the 4,000 employeesCisco laid off in February.
According to Reuters, it'lllikely be announced as early as
Wednesday with the company'sfourth quarter results, said the
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sources.
Is Wednesday with the company'sfourth quarter results, said
the sources.
But the thing that they get, orthe thing that gets me is, you
know, it's like Cisco didn'treply for comment.
Reuters reported the job cutblah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But then it takes its turn andit says the company has been
trying to incorporate AIproducts into its offering and
it may reiterate its target of$1 billion worth of AI product
doors in 2025.
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And so now it's the whole.
The layoffs are the latest inthe tech industry, which has
been cutting costs this year tooffsets and investments in ai.
So, to quote lee batman, aibitches speaking of another.
Another interesting article onthe ai front which is kind of a
bummer because I was lookingforward to seeing that thing get
pretty crazy was humane.
The ai pin, the one that theguy talked about at ted talks.
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It's you know, it looked likeit was Humane.
The AI pin, the one that theguy talked about at TED Talks.
It looked like it was going tobe a really neat step in the
direction of having a wearablethat could understand
contextually where you are andwhat you were doing and how you
were doing it, and they would beable to use that to present
information.
When you said all you have todo is tap and say what's the
weather outside, or you knowwhat's on my calendar today, or
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you know where's a nice place togo to lunch, it could
understand all of where you areand what you're doing.
However, it doesn't seem likeit landed very well.
People are returning Humane AIpins faster than Humane can sell
them, which is kind of a bummerfor a segment in that industry.
The AI pin is a lapel pin thatmarkets numerous features voice
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assistant, camera, laserprojector the creators claim
will replace smartphones as ago-to gadget costs 700 bucks.
It requires a 24 a monthsubscription, not including
taxes and fees, so it is abummer that that it isn't taking
as well as people thought itwould.
It viewed.
Internal diverge said it viewedinternal sales data showing
returns outpacing deviceaccessory sales within about
nine million dollars.
Internal data also reportedrevealed that 1,000 AI pin
orders were canceled before theyeven shipped.
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So rocky start to that.
But that doesn't mean the endof it and the people, the team
that are behind that.
I hope they bounce back fromthat pretty quickly.
So no AI for you.
I guess is that one that's theopposite.
Too much AI and too little AI.
You know where's the happymedium there.
You know.
Know where does it, where doesit, where does it make make its
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way into it?
Anyway, what else we got going?
Speaking of ai, earlier thismonth the european commission
approved unconditionally theproposed acquisition of juniper
by hpe.
Yay, breath of fresh air seeingthat coming from the eu saying
look it's cool, we're notworried about, but also kind of
some shade in there.
As you know, hpe supplies ITinfrastructure related software
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and cloud solutions.
Juniper supplies networkinginfrastructure and security
solutions.
The concern was about theoverlap.
Is there going to be overlapbetween switching and wireless?
Is there going to be overlapbetween HPE and Juniper?
And the EU is like, nah, theydon't really compete.
Wow, okay, I mean thanks, butthanks for the slap in the face.
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Hpe and Juniper are notconsidered the closest
competitors in the EEA market.
The body concluded Yowza, sookay.
And they said you know, to adda little bit of salt to that
wound, the European Commissionfound that in the EA, the merged
entity's market position wouldremain moderate and it would
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continue to face competitionfrom a wide range of competitors
, including those stronglyestablished players on the
market.
Wow, so they got some cojonesthere.
The European Commission waslike we don't really see that as
a threat to anyone else.
But I you know what I mean likeI'm glad that they, that they
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said it's cool that that theydon't have an issue with it
merging, but I, I am interestedto see what becomes of this.
Uh, because after the merger, Imean, I, I do think it will pose
competition.
I mean, I'm just gonna say it,those two come together, I mean
it's gonna be, it's gonna bepretty crazy it.
I think it will create somecompetition in the space.
You know, especially again,look, I mean, this was we talked
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about this before it's whenthere's turmoil in the
marketplace, where you've got,you know, big, solid, number one
now laying off another 4 000people, and now you know saying
ai, ai, ai, you know, and thenit's not.
It doesn't seem like the guardsare at the gate.
Man, I don't know how else tosay it.
It's, I'm just looking at this,I'm going golly, this is a big,
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open opportunity for people tocreep in.
And you know, with juniper andand hp coming together, I they
may not be big now separate.
We'll see, we will see.
Ah, what else we got going on?
Um, the china's launching a megaconstellation sounds a lot like
starlink.
You know, when I started toread more about starshield and
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what starlink's doing withstarshield and the government
and and how they are, what itcould possibly be used for, it
was only a matter of time beforeChina started launching stuff
into space.
The first batch of 18satellites for one of those
Chinese networks are going to belaunched into low Earth orbit
on Tuesday so I guess that wastoday, I don't know.
This was a week ago, so maybeit was last Tuesday A Long March
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6A rocket delivered 18spacecraft into polar orbit.
Yeah, so they've got aconstellation satellites that
are going up there.
Chinese officials have longsignaled their interest in
deploying a satellite network,or maybe several, to be
broadband air net, across chinaand other nations in its sphere
of influence.
There's a lot going on in theworld right now, um, so china's
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jumping into that game.
But you know, what I'm reallyinterested to see is Project
Kuiper and what's going on withAmazon.
They had that win in.
I think it was South Africawhere they won the opportunity
to do business there, and I'mwaiting for them to get going.
It's going to be cool to seethem enter the market and play
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alongside with Starlink, soit'll be pretty interesting
Along those notes, somethingthat affects all of us every day
.
Not a lot of this has to do withwhat I guess.
Satellites are wireless, butthis doesn't have much to do
with wireless, but it does atthe same time because, as you
know, when you jump online andyou click, or you click on a
link and you want to look at aweb page, whether it's on your
mobile browser, whether it's ona laptop or a tablet, um, use
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http, right, hypertext transferprotocol goes back and forth and
, and you know you, um hold on.
Did I get that right?
Is it hypertext transferprotocol, meaning he's gotta
look it up?
Yes, I did get it right.
Golly, I don't even know whyI'm doubting myself on that one.
That's like old school internet.
Anyway.
Um, use http to go back andforth and it's always gone
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across tcp.
And now is, you know, as thingsstarted to progress with google
chrome, quick started to makeits way into into the world and
now http3 is uh, is quick right?
This post is all about http3 andquick.
If you don't know what it is,there are many, many, many many
good resources.
There is an article postedabout this at kmcddev.
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It's called Y'all Are Sleepingon HTTP3.
And it talks about why QUIC isso awesome and why it feels
important.
Http3 abandons TCP in favor of achannel-aware, udp-based
protocol called QUIC.
And all I can think of y'all isthe joke that I would tell you
a UDP joke, but I don't care ifyou get it.
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Or I could tell you a TCP jokeand you don't acknowledge it,
and it doesn't matter if you getit or not and all those other
funny t-shirts that are made outof it.
But this is interesting to seeto me because there's some.
There's some true benefits hereand I think when you talk about
network optimization and whatyou're doing over wireless
wireless for a long time was theit wasn't the fastest part of
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the connection some could say.
But all of these modificationsand things that are being made
not just a product at theprotocol level, at the web level
and everything else aredefinitely going to help.
So it doesn't.
You know, even though theconnections are getting stronger
and more resilient and betterand faster and and everything
else are definitely going tohelp.
So it does, you know, eventhough the connections are
getting stronger and moreresilient and better and faster
and more throughput, things likethis are going to help.
Incredibly, um 30 of webtraffic is served with http3
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right now.
And what's wrong with tcp?
Some of the highlights thatthey put on here are multiple
streams.
It's only one connection withtcp.
It is a good and dynamicnetwork environment.
Why can't I use wi-fi andmobile at the same time?
Kind of important.
This is actually possible withtcp using a feature called
multi-path tcp, but the role hasbeen slow and difficult.
Quick's built-in support forconnection migration and uh,
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zero rtt.
Resumption offers a smoother andmore efficient solution,
potentially enabling truemultipath connectivity in the
future.
Yay, now, when you cut this is.
This is part of what makes thisfascinating to me is that when
you build that in and then youlook at where we are with a
multi-link optimization with mLO, and then now you look at
what's coming down the pipe withWi-Fi 8, with not just link
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aggregation but multiple APaggregation, now you need
something that supportsmultipath in your ability to not
just send but also to receivepackets on your web browser.
So what you're looking at needsto be able to handle that.
So it doesn't mention it inhere, but I'm looking at that
going okay well, does that meanthat it's going to work better
there?
So QUIC and HTTP3, fasterconnections, fewer round trips
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instead of three needed for TLSplus HTTP.
Quic has just one zero roundtrip time, resumption,
multiplexing, improvedcongestion control lots of
really cool, cool stuff.
So it's neat to see that hdp3is jumping is jumping on that
and there's there's a statistichere most major cloud providers
support it, most major loadbalancers support it, all major
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browsers now support it.
It's a you know 30 web traffic.
So the downside is is, if youlook at, if you're doing
protocol analysis and you'relooking at web traffic and
you're looking at, you knowyou're trying to pull that
traffic apart you can see tcptraffic, you can see where it's
going, coming to.
But because of the multiplexing, I believe, and because of the
the nature of quick, sometimesyou just see it listed as quick
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traffic.
So I haven't, I haven't lookedat those packets a long time,
but does this mean that we losethe ability to go and look at
host um?
You know a source anddestination and things like that
.
So I'm curious because I knowwith Quick, once you saw Quick
it was like, oh, can't sayanything, it's in Quick.
So I wonder if that's going tobe effective.
It could sound really dumb, butI think that that's right.
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So I'll take a look at it.
If you have any insight intothat, let me know or post online
.
Anyway, what else we got goingon?
So HTTP3 and QUIC very, verycool, affecting every little
thing that we do.
What else is being affectedEarlier this month?
Other things that are going on.
Oh, this was fascinating.
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Kroger's new dynamic AI pricingscheme is quote, corporate greed
out of control, say the critics, and this is a story that ran
online and I don't even know ifthis is a legit website.
It's called raw story um juliaconley from common dreams.
I don't even know if that's areal person in a real place, but
I posted this article and it'stalking about, uh, expressing
doubt.
The new artificial intelligencepart dynamic pricing model used
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by kroger is truly meant tobetter the customer experience
center, elizabeth war Warrensaid on Friday.
The practice shows howcorporate greed is out of
control.
Here's the thing, man, I don't.
Oh, this is a tough one.
So it goes on to talk about whatKroger, how they started using
information, electronic shelflabels and and shelf information
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and and what they're doing withthat data.
Nearly you know.
Let's see.
It says it first introduced in2018.
Expanded 500 of 3 000 stores.
Last year, the company'spartner with microsoft to
develop electronic shelf labels,known as enhanced display for
grocery environments or edge,using a digital tag to display
prices in stores so employeescan change the prices throughout
the day with the click of abutton.
Now inter cameras andinter-intelligence right
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Inter-artificial intelligenceThrough its work with
intelligence known to Microsoft,kroger has gone beyond just
changing prices based on thetime of day or other
environmental factors and isseeking to tailor the cost of
the good to individual shoppers.
Now, this is fascinating to me,and you know, you think about
pricing with, with what'shappening with with vehicles,
whenever you do like an uber orwhatever, but when you look at,
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when you look at what can happenin a grocery store, um, it's
interesting and so.
So one of the things that thesenator just mentioned, I'm
gonna, I'm gonna read this realquick.
It says the edge shelf helpskroger gather and exploit
sensitive customer data okay, Idisagree with the term exploit
and also sensitive.
Through a partnership withMicrosoft, kroger plans to place
cameras at digital displayswhich will use facial
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recognition tools to determinethe gender and age of a customer
captured on camera and presentthem with personalized offers
and advertisements on the Edgeshelf.
All right, let's break thatdown real quick.
It's using a camera to dofacial recognition, okay, but
it's using the data from thatfacial recognition to say all
right, well, you know what Drewis?
Middle-aged, white guy.
We're going to make the priceof spam go up or we're going to
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make it go down, or we thinkhe's more likely to buy this or
less likely to buy this, ormaybe I'm more likely to pay
more for you know craft beerthan I am for something else.
So as I walked down the aisleit's going to change the pricing
based on me.
First of all, very cool use oftechnology.
I got to say that's kind ofawesome if it's a benefit.
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But I understand there could besome concern Also.
I mean there's a benefit here,right, if there's nobody in the
store and nobody's shopping andthey know that they've got to
dump the fruit or there's onlytwo days left before expiration
of certain dairy products orwhatever it is, and it knows
that you know what.
Drew's the only person we'veseen for the last three hours.
Let's tank the price of milk sowe can get rid of it and he can
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get what he needs and everybodywins.
That's kind of awesome.
I've seen this technology inaction, for the most part not
tied together like this, but atthe retail show, the NFR show
National Federation of Retailersin New York this past year.
It was so cool to see this.
I mean it's interesting.
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They set up cameras on one sideof the aisle to look at the
other side of the aisle and viceversa, and it does everything
from make sure that there'sinventory to look at the labels,
make sure it's facing right andsee what people pick up and see
where people go and do theyreach for a top shelf or go to
the bottom shelf so I canunderstand where it's coming
from.
I don't know that it would beused for price gouging, but then
again, I live in a world whereI don't think people take
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advantage of each other, sothat's one of those things where
it's like I guess if you lookat it in a negative way, it
could be seen that way.
But I mean, how are you, how doyou?
How do you present?
How do you present that in away?
Or how do you, how do you ask acompany to to use the data to
not do something there?
I mean what's negative, right?
Anyway, the same thing that'sgoing on.
I mean this is happening in inthe hotel industry and in the
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Airbnb industry right now, wherethey're saying are they using
data to, you know, run through,basically surge pricing on
properties, on houses, onrentals, on, you know, like I
said, airbnbs or hotel rooms orwhatever.
It is so interesting concept,definitely.
You know.
What's great about this is youthink about ESL and electronic
shelf labels, that's all I mean.
These things are all connectedvia wireless.
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So this is how it falls in myrealm, or at least I justify,
justify that I'm going to talkabout it.
But you know it's.
Aruba has a killer ESL product.
You missed, you missed has akiller ESL.
Francisco has an incredible ESLproduct.
You know SES imagine imago tag,and I forgot what they're called
.
Now they did change their name,but those are the guys that I
saw at.
What are they called?
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Now I remember what they'recalled.
Anyway, they were the ones thathad the booth up at Vusion
V-U-S-I-O-N, so VusionTechnology for Positive Commerce
.
I mean, if you want to take alook at it, go to Vusioncom,
v-u-s-i-o-ncom and you can seesome of the ways that they're
doing this.
And it's not just aboutchanging pricing and how that
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relates down to the label, butit's about the entire ecosystem
that runs around this.
So if you've never looked intothis and you want to see
something really cool,definitely go check it out.
And vision is supported.
You know the magic type ofstuff is supported by a number
of wireless manufacturers.
So if this is something that ifyou're in the space of retail
or if you're in the space thatsomeplace that needs electronic
shelf labels, there is somereally, really, really cool
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technology out there.
Uh, that's being enabled.
So take a look at that.
I'm gonna leave that one forlast.
Let's see.
What else do we got, uh, china,we've got quick.
We've got humane.
We've got cisco.
We've got the europeancommission.
We've got kroger veto for theolympics man.
You know, at ces, every yearthey have this, they, they talk
about what's going to happenwhen people can start launching.
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You know vehicles and duringvertical takeoff and landing and
it says, uh, you know, vtol issupposed to be setting up for LA
2028, archer to set up.
Archer is an email company.
It's setting up air taxinetwork in LA 2026, ahead of the
world cup.
So that will be crazy to see.
They're basically big drone,vertical takeoff and landing
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drones and they've got a mapthat's published online.
You can take a look at it.
Look at the Archer LA networkmap and you can see where it's
flying to and from.
And Archer's partnered recentlywith Southwest Airlines.
It gives Archer access toairline customer data to
identify locations forvertiports Vertiport, vertiport.
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I've never been to a vertiportbefore.
I wanted to fly blade.
One time, when I was in newyork city, they had this really
cool deal you pay, you know, acouple hundred bucks, you can
get on a helicopter and insteadof waiting two and a half hours
to fly out east, you could justjump on a blade and do it in 20
minutes.
And I wanted to feel special,but I didn't do it.
It Because, dude, that's likefive or 600 bucks Out of my
realm.
That's above the threshold forme feeling special.
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I'll feel special for like 200bucks maybe, but definitely not
500 bucks.
That's a lot to spend.
Doesn't fly underneath the wiferadar, anyway.
And also, how do I explaingetting there four hours earlier
, three hours early, by takingoh, I took a helicopter over
here, babe.
It's cool Anyway, uh, but mydreams may soon come to fruition
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in 2028, um, by using VTOL atthe Olympics.
That'd be kind of cool.
What else is going on?
News for people that operatewireless networks Um, instagram
is embracing photo dumping 20photos compared to 35 of Tik TOK
.
I didn't know you could put 35photos on TikTok at once.
You can do that on TikTok, andnow Instagram is jumping up to
20.
So you can upload 20 photos oneach of your posts now, instead
of the old school 10.
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So, man, you know it's like Ihave photos everywhere.
I've got photos on my harddrive.
I've got photos on multipledrives.
I've got photos on Flickr.
I'm like a Flickr lifetimemember.
I've got photos on Google Cloud.
I miss Picasa.
Does anybody miss Picasa?
I miss ACDC, the old Windowssoftware.
Anyway, there's all theseplaces that photos are.
When's someone just going todevelop a way to have all of
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your photos in one place and nothave to worry about?
You know, I feel like GeorgeCostanza, like the wallet that
he carries.
But with my photographs, I havephotographs of every event and
like, what do I ever do withthem?
Nothing.
I go back every once in a whilewhen I have to remember
something.
But that's what ai is for.
I can't, that's what I can'twait for.
I can't wait to be able to loadall of my photographs into ai
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so that I can just ask myselfquestions.
That's really that's going tobe awesome, maybe, you know, I
don't know how close gemini isto work on that with google and
I don't know how close Gemini isto working on that with Google
and I don't know how, I mean,maybe Meta is doing.
I mean huge announcements fromMeta on the AI front.
I know you're not covered onthis show, but, dude, what
they're doing with Lama isincredible and it's built into
everything.
It's all over my Instagram,it's all over WhatsApp, it's all
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over Facebook.
It's everywhere, man.
So hopefully soon they'llintegrate that with photos,
being able to say you know whatwas the name of the restaurant
that I ate at with my wife in2022 in san jose, and we had
lobster.
You know, look at the photosand find out.
Maybe it's already there, hellI don't know.
If only I knew someone over atmeta ai.
Just kidding, hi guys, good tosee you.
Anyway, what else we got goingon?
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Um hackers could spy on cellphone users by abusing the 5g
baseband flaws.
Researchers say this was prettycool.
Using a custom-made analysistool they called 5g base checker
, the researchers uncoveredbaseband vulnerabilities made by
samsung, mediatek and qualcomm,which are used in phones made
by, you know, google, oppo,oneplus, motorola, samsung,
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nobody big.
Uh hussein is an assistantprofessor at pin state told tech
crunch that he and his studentswere able to trick phones with
these vulnerabilities uh intheir 5g base bands into
connecting to fake base stationsessentially a fake cell phone
tower and then launch theirattacks from there, because once
they're on your network, youcan do whatever you want to do
with them.
This was covered in uh techcrunch is where I read it.
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Lorenzo franceschi bichariaI've bicharia, your name.
Sorry about that, uh, but youknow, I at least like to give
credit to the people that wrotethe article.
I didn't write this article,but it's pretty cool.
Hackers could spy on cell phone.
This is on tech crunch.
A group of researchers saythey've uncovered a series of
security flaws in different 5gbasebands and they present their
findings at black hat on lasvegas last wednesday, as well as
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an academic paper and the.
They've said that.
You know the different groupshave said that they are fixing
this or that they have fixed it.
At the time of writing, theresearch is identified and got
patched 12 vulnerabilities indifferent 5g base bands.
But it's just showing thatthere's a different way to
attack the network now and as wemove towards towards more
complicated or more complexnetworks, away from a simple AP
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into multiple frequencies,multiple APs, multiple
connections Now there's justmultiple vulnerabilities.
It seems like there's moreplaces that people can take
advantage of data or takeadvantage of those connections.
So I'm curious how somethinglike this is going to have these
long-term effects.
This is just the beginning ofsomeone doing something with 5G
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Baseband.
Where does it go from here?
I, for one, welcome our AIoverlords.
Yes, we got a comment fromYouTube, luis.
Fantastic.
I love our AI overlords.
There's a lot of fun stuff.
If you know, I really enjoyusing AI tool sets and having a
good time with them.
I wrote an entire applicationstack using AI, so I guess I
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can't say that I wrote it, but Itold ChatGPT to write it and it
did just a bang up job.
I'm not going to lie.
I had a really good time doinga no code project and I posted
about it on LinkedIn.
It's where I took two raspberrypies and I plugged a microphone
into one and I set it up outside.
And I took another one and Ihooked it up.
(26:01):
I've got speakers in a bunch ofthe rooms in my house and I
plugged it into my whole homeaudio system and I made it so
that I could tune to that, youknow, to that channel or to that
port on my audio system and itwould play back whatever it was
hearing outside.
I put the microphone outside my, you know, outside the door
over here and I could hear thebirds, I could hear the chirping
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, I could hear the crickets, Icould hear everything that was
out there and it was a neat way.
I don't I didn't want to openthe windows and the doors in 108
degree heat, but I still wantedto feel like I was outside, so
I got to have the outside inside.
It was a pretty cool projectand so I had a real good time
doing that, but I did the entire.
I had chat, gpt, write everysingle piece of code on there,
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which was the one of the mainreasons I did it.
I wanted to see if I couldwrite a program without actually
writing a program and I did it.
So the AI overlords, man, lovethem or hate them.
Ai bitches, leave badman, eatyour heart out.
Can't wait to see you, man.
Hope we get to see you prettysoon anyway.
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What else we got?
Now, speaking of hackers,before I get into that, doom and
Doom 2 get a definitive releasethat's packed with upgrades.
The classic games are nowavailable in a combined package
with cross-platform onlinemultiplayer in an in-game mod
browser, a new single-playerepisode and more.
Bethesda Surprise dropped onThursday Doom and Doom 2.
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Go check it out.
I don't even know where it's atthe slayersclubbethesdanet or
if you go to Bethesdanet forBethesda software, doom and Doom
2.
Man, I'm going to go downloadand play it this afternoon and
have some fun with that.
So that goes.
You know, first WordStar andnow Doom.
I love it.
What else is going to come out?
You know if there's a CrystalCaverns or if there's an old
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school Duke Nukem that pops up?
You know, color me happy.
That would be awesome.
Okay, so the other thing thathappened last week you know that
I thought was prettyinteresting and some stuff came
out of good stuff and bad stuffwas DEF CON.
Def CON was last week.
You know it started with BlackHat, then led into DEF CON,
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madness at DEF CON, all kinds ofthings that were happening out
there.
I was not there.
That's a show I've never beento, always wanted to go and I've
just never.
I don't even know when it is.
It's not on my regular calendarso I never go.
But maybe next year I'll reallytry and go.
I would have so much fun, Ithink, just being a fly on the
wall.
Uh, so the madness at defcon,from this, from this chair's
perspective, the things that Isaw that that I paid attention
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to.
Uh, first and foremost the themess with the hardware and the
firmware that was going on outthere.
Apparently and and you know,don't get me wrong if if I mess
this up it's not my, you know,this isn't really my, my space,
but the defcon paid a group tobuild the badges for them and
they went back and forth, backand forth with the people that
were making the badges and therewere overruns on timelines and
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budget and everything else, andso they canceled their contract
with the people that were makingthe badge and they moved it to
someone else to make the badge,but the guy who wrote the
firmware for the original badgethe firmware was, I guess, was
already written or maybecontinued to write it, and so
then there were some issues thatthey were having at at the show
.
And then there's like all thisdrama where people are saying,
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well, defcon didn't pay theirbill and then the guy who wrote
the firmware didn't get creditand the other guys didn't get
credit, so he put an easter eggin and they got dragged off the
stage, where he really didn'tget dragged off the stage.
It was kind of like atongue-in-cheek type of thing
and there were all these thingsthat happened and then
everything got posted online.
But it was crazy to see likethere was this whole upheaval
and it just made me think, youknow, and then all these memes
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started coming out about DarkTangent, the guy who's the
organizer for DEF CON, and itwas like man, how long before
the conference turns on theconference?
Because it almost felt likethat was about to happen, almost
felt like that was about tohappen.
There's a lot of crazy stuffhappening with those badges out
there.
Um, you know, but I itresonates with me, right, I've
had projects go over in time andin money and I know what it's
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like to work with some, withwith either a team or a
manufacturer group, that thatruns you through budget and
you've at some point you've justgot to cut the line and move
over to someone else to get theproject done.
So I get it it, um, I'd hopethey didn't stiff them though,
because that's kind of I don'tknow again, not not my, not my
circus, not my monkeys overthere, but it was crazy to read
(30:20):
because that like blew upeverywhere and then there was
the inspection of rooms that washappening.
You know like seriously, I'vestayed at resorts world.
What's up with that man?
I mean, if you're gonna hostthe conference, they go all in.
But no, they sent out lettersto people saying that there were
going to be security checks andthat they were going to go into
people's rooms.
And so there was a you know,five days ago, imga's 4063 post
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on reddit that that you knowpeople are saying that they're
going to do a security check inhis room and you know, to prove
that they weren't a threat orhave devices that could
compromise the network securityin an aggressive way, they
demanded to have their roomsopen up and go through the stuff
.
And things escalated and armedsecurity guards came in with the
intention of breaking the doordown to get us out.
They wouldn't reason.
I opened the door.
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They aggressively asked for IDs, started reading some of the
policy out loud, escorted peopleout of the property Without a
care in the world, it says.
On our way down the hall thereare many more security personnel
knocking on doors and gettingpeople out, just like a drug
raid.
Um, crazy man.
Cyber, cyber securityprofessionals must stick
together to make things rightfor the good of everyone.
Discrimination cannot betolerated.
If you know how to help in anyway legally, awareness etc.
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Please do.
That is on the r slash, defconuh, reddit subreddit for defcon.
There's just a lot of stuffthat was happening out there.
I get it.
I mean they want to look outfor the security of their, of
their hotel, so that's why youhost a hackers conference.
Come on, man like that.
Just that just doesn't seemright.
What's going on there?
The other thing that didn'tseem right that palo alto man,
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palo alto networks for shame.
Uh, I saw this posted online bysomeone who's a connection of a
connection olivia rose, veteranglobal cso executive advisor.
Security maturity.
I miss olivia rose.
I don't know you and I don'tknow what you do.
I don't even know who you workfor.
Let me scroll down cso.
Founder of the rose cso group.
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Board of directors forcyversity faculty.
Member of IONS, ciso, vp ofAmplitude, ciso for MailChimp in
her past Lots of good stuffthere.
She posted a picture online ofPalo Alto Networks and Cyber
Risk Collaborative Happy Hourwith women wearing lampshades
over their heads, completelycovering their faces, and the
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comment was so women are nothingmore than props to you.
We're only a black hat to belampshade holders.
Damn, I mean palo alto.
Come on, dude, poor, poor taste.
Whoever executed that one,that's.
That's tough man, uh.
But the, the cmo of palo alto,responded.
Here it is, it says last week,a black hat.
An unfortunate decision was madeat palo alto network's event to
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have hostesses wear brandedlampshades on their heads.
It was tone deaf and poor tasteand not aligned with our
company values or brand.
I take full responsibility forthe misjudgment.
I've addressed it with my teamand I'm taking further steps to
prevent such misguided actionsin the future.
Please accept my heartfeltapologies for this regrettable
incident.
Also, I should note I shouldadd this note that in the event
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they read the comments here,apollo Alto shall also be made
aware that I've personallyreceived multiple messages from
women about the company who aretoo scared to speak up about
this decision.
Quite a bro culture going onthere.
Sounds like dang man.
So I'm glad they addressed it.
But that was like terribleoptics.
I mean you would, I don't know,I'm nothing to say other than
that was, that was rough man,don't do that, don't do that.
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That's not cool Anyway.
So I mean, def CON was makingthe headlines for all these
weird things.
That's what I'm saying, notweird, just like things that
aren't related to what it'ssupposed to be about.
And then, when it came foractual content, I didn't read
much.
I didn't read much about thepresentations.
I didn't read much about thepresentations.
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I didn't read much aboutanything groundbreaking that was
going on there, because therewas so much buzz I don't want to
say static, it's not the rightword there's so much other stuff
being talked about.
It's important stuff.
I mean the badge hardwareissues, stiffing the badge
company, the inspection of therooms, the way that they
mistreated females.
I mean this is like dude,that's not what you want your
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conference to be known about.
So that's kind of rough.
But then the things that thething that did pop out was the
HID keys, the.
However, they were showing howthere were researchers on the
DEF CON stage that showed howthey were able to compromise the
HID keys, not by you know thethe hotel room keys, right, the
HID keys, not by you know thehotel room keys right, the HID
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is the name of the company buthow they were able to compromise
it, not just from the keyperspective, but they were HID
more customers about thisexistence.
The method the researchers planto show off allows the secret
keys to be pulled out of theencoder.
So at the hotel desk where theyput the little key down and
they encode your key somehow,getting access to that using one
(34:55):
of their programming keys,getting access to the data
that's on there and then postingthat to dark web and sharing it
.
So like if you, if I, go to theHilton down the street and I
grab that data and then share itwith the dark web.
Now all of a sudden I've gotyou know, everyone has access to
the Hilton that's down thestreet from me.
That's tough man.
That's a tough one to swallow.
So that was the only big thingthat I read about.
(35:15):
I didn't see anything crazyabout Wi-Fi.
I didn't see anything crazyabout IoT.
I'm sure it was talked about,but all of the lights in the
press were tuned and focused onwhat was going on with the other
stuff.
So if you know of anything thathappened at DEF CON, please let
me know.
No, the HID thing was prettynuts.
The HID did warn the customersabout the existence's
vulnerability and said hackerswould be able to clone it.
(35:35):
This was back in January.
It has recommendations on howcustomers can protect themselves
, but it offered no softwareupdate at the time.
So I don't know if they endedup doing that or not, but you
know that was the last thingthat I heard about there.
Anyway, that's what's going on.
That's what I got this week Funweek, man.
Lots of fun stuff.
Getting ready for the picturethat I post.
(35:57):
I've got all the equipmentsitting back there on the shelf
right over there Going to dosome fun test runs with that.
What else I spent this week?
We got Signal Roam running onopen Wi-Fi, which is pretty neat
.
I love the open Wi-Fi stuff andrunning Signal Roam across it's
(36:18):
very cool.
Also, I've got my handy prismright beside me, so I've got
some testing to do with that.
Shout out to IB Wave again.
And I just found out I don'teven know if I can talk about it
.
Let me open my email and see ifthis is talkaboutable.
Yay on the event.
We'll share more details withyou soon.
There's an event coming up.
There's a launch august 21st um, august 21st that's in nine or
eight days there's a new launchcoming out.
(36:39):
I'm not going to say who orwhen, but what I will say is
look at, pay attention to what'shappening.
Uh, in eight days there's goingto be a really cool
announcement about somethingthat I got to see a while back
and I'm excited and hopefullyI'll be able to do a quick
recording and we'll show it offhere on the podcast so anyone
who pays attention to Waves canread it or watch it.
Anyway, have a wonderful week.
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Tell all your friends and yourfamily about it, make sure you
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Have a great week.
I will talk to you all next.
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