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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody, good morning.
Good morning.
I hope you had a wonderful week.
Drew Lentz, the wireless nerd,here to examine and explore
what's new, what's now, what'snext, what's happening in the
wireless industry Lots of funstuff.
It was a busy week.
You know.
Usually I cut these things onMonday or Tuesday.
Monday was Labor Day, tuesdaywas catching up, wednesday was
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you know, I'm fired up out ofhere.
Thursday is like, well, I mightas well do a Friday and then
Friday's here, let's cut thepodcast, let's have some fun.
So I hope everybody is havingas a fantastic week as I've had.
It has been a really eye-openingweek, third week in school for
the little kids, lots of backand forth and trying to get all
those things sorted out, but Ithink we got it down.
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I think there's a lot of goodstuff happening.
Now to jump into what'shappening in the actual industry
holy moly, 5g man and Wi-Fioffload and all these things.
Sometimes I think maybe I'mjust in a bubble with what I do
and what I'm focused on thatweek, and then I just see all
the articles posted abouteverything that's online and
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what people are talking aboutand movement, what I'm focused
on that week, and then I justsee all the articles posted
about everything that's onlineand what people are talking
about and movement, and I'm like, oh, I guess I'm on trend for a
little bit.
And just so you know, if you'veever wondered, I wonder if
anybody still does what I do.
I still use RSS feeds.
I use a whole lot of RSS feeds.
There's no good way toaggregate news like RSS.
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I haven't found any way that Ithink works well.
And I remember the old GoogleReader.
God, I miss that thing so much.
But I use Inoreader.
I-n-o-r-e-a-d-e-r Inoreader Enoreader.
I don't know.
If you're listening from thereand you want to give me a
sponsorship, I will take itbecause I pay for this and I
like it a whole lot.
Actually, I don't mind payingfor it, but if you want to
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sponsor, I'm always down forthat too.
Anyway, I use it.
I aggregate just a whole slewof articles and it's where I
come up with just some of themost random stuff that's going
on.
But it's good.
It's things that I think arefascinating and I like to share
with you, and I'm hitting.
I'm at 890 subscribers now onthe YouTube channel.
I've got a whole bunch offollowers on a couple of other
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different places.
So thank you for payingattention and giving me your
ears.
There's still a lot of peoplethat listen to the podcast only,
and that's great.
I like it.
I like that you listen to thepodcast only.
Let me know if the sound isever bad or if there's something
that I could do better, andI'll be happy to do that.
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So the first thing I'm going todo this morning is I'm going to
go through just what tabs I haveopen.
Usually, I make a little listof articles and things I want to
read, but I was looking at somenew articles this morning and
some stuff popped up that Ithought I would share.
So first there's this there'sthis rumor we're three days away
from the Apple event with thenew iPhone 16, and it's going to
have Wi-Fi 7, apparently,according to the rumor mill,
which I hope is true.
It would be great.
But there's this rumor thatit's going to drive a handset
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upgrade super cycle.
And what does that mean?
That means that people aregoing to look at this and from
13s, 14s and 15s, they're allgoing to go.
You know what?
Now's the time Now?
Now's the time to make a bigupgrade and just jump onto the
iPhone 16.
And I think it would befantastic because if it does
include Wi-Fi 7, that wouldusher in a whole new level of
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not just connectivity.
I'm thinking about it from ourside, the nerd side of the
people that have to actuallyoperate these networks.
If we have more people runningWi-Fi 7, man, that would make
the networks able to be operateda little bit easier.
A little bit less contention, alittle bit of slicing happening
, a little bit of resource unitallocation.
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It might make it cooler to havethat many Wi-Fi 7 devices on
there.
I didn't see any stats fromWi-Fi 7 coming from Cisco Live
this year and I know usually atsome of these conferences people
talk about it.
So I'll be keen to see thenumber of Wi-Fi 7 devices that
start to make their way into oureveryday lives.
But that being said, september9th, iphone 16, they say.
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You know, given the strongconsumer interest in AI
capabilities, we anticipate asuper cycle of upgrades when
Apple launches their devicesthat will support an embedded
Apple intelligence expectedlater in the year, said Rebecca
Griffiths, vice president ofproduct management strategy at
Assurant, which collects phonetrade-ins and prepares them for
resale.
This is from an article inFierce Networking, Fierce
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Wireless, by Monica Alevin.
Oh man, you know, monica, Ireally need to learn how to
pronounce your name.
I'm going to send you a message, I think on LinkedIn, and I'm
going to say man, you know,monica, I really need to learn
how to pronounce your name.
I'm going to send you a message, I think on LinkedIn, and I'm
going to say hey, monica, how doI pronounce your name?
Because I don't want to screwit up anymore.
Make a little note to that.
So that's pretty goodSupercycle.
That'll be good to see all thatequipment coming on.
New equipment Now, immediatelyafter that.
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I saw this morning on Fiercesomeone on fierce someone.
Let me see if I can find it.
At&t and verizon aren't worriedabout an iphone super cycle.
Posted 19 hours ago.
Dan jones at fierce networksays apple bulls are hyping a
potential iphone super cycle,but operator execs are more
cautious.
At&t has a massive installediphone base that rivals could
try and poach.
An analyst notes that apple'snew gen ai features have already
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been implemented by google andother handset providers.
So are they expecting the supercycle?
Well, I'm not really concerned.
Pascal Desrochers says we'velived through iPhone launches
before and we're prepared.
We're going to be competitivein the market, but disciplined,
he said, ignoring the Gen AIhype that Apple bulls have been
spreading about the iPhone 16,upgrading your phone is often
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the time that consumers can beenticed to switch carriers, said
Avi Greengart at Techsponentialthat's a cool name,
techsponential.
At&t has a lot of legacy iPhoneusers, which makes it a rich
target for rivals.
Okay, well, that'll beinteresting to watch.
If you're on AT&T and you've gotan old phone, are you thinking
about switching?
I use Verizon and I don't knowif I'm happy with it or not.
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I don't know that I've everbeen happy or not with a carrier
, but on that note, you know,what I do know is that in this
day and age, when I'm playingwith a whole bunch of these
Wi-Fi offload networks andprivate cellular and neutral
host and all of the MoCon andall that other stuff, verizon
isn't playing nice with anybodyelse.
And it's funny because I thinkthat again, I think that that
might have just been somethingin my little world that exists,
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me and the other nerds that talkabout wi-fi offload all the
time.
But then I read this articleright, and it's in here
somewhere and there's thisarticle about uh, it's again
from fierce.
Fierce is covering it, dance iscovering it.
Dan Jones, you're on it, bro,you're on it.
5g neutral host, privatenetworking, gains prominence in
the US.
But if you scroll down, theytalk about how you've got all
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these different groups that aresigning contracts with AT&T and
T-Mobile.
You've got Signal Roam, insertplug here.
You've got American Bandwidth.
You've got, you know, uh,infinigi.
You have all these groups thatare using AT&T and T-Mobile.
There's even there was anannouncement from Xnet yesterday
that they're supporting theirfirst operator, their first
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mobile network operator.
They didn't say who, but theysaid they're supporting their
first operator, not plural, uh,singular.
So it's gotta be either AT&T orT-Mobile.
Based on this, I don't thinkit's Verizon.
But if I scroll down on here,my boy, ray Chua, who I have not
met yet, who I'm lookingforward to meeting in just one
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month at the Meter Up show inSan Francisco.
Roy, did I say Ray?
I didn't mean Roy, anyway,sorry, I've never met Roy, so
when I put a face to a nameit'll be way cooler.
So roy chua, principal analystat avid think during a call with
fierce, says verizon was opento neutral host, but only if
they were the anchor tenant.
And this is the drum that I'vebeen beating for a minute.
Right because they you knowverizon comes out and they say,
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oh, we're going to do thisneutral host private 5g thing
with cummins in their in theirfactory and it supports at&t
mobile.
And everyone's like, okay,that's gonna be great, verizon's
finally going to supportneutral host.
So all the people that haveAT&T and T-Mobile already are
like, okay, sweet, let's callVerizon and get them on.
Verizon's like no, no, no, no,no, you can do neutral host as
long as we do the neutral hostfor you.
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But we're not going to play inthe opposite direction.
So they haven't come aroundfull circle yet to fully support
Wi-Fi offload or supportneutral host.
From a Verizon perspective,they're kind of sitting there
with their arms wrapped aroundthat thing, gatekeeping the
industry a little bit, which iskind of a pain.
But they have to have a reasonfor doing it.
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There's a desire to haveprivate 5G for indoor coverage
that uses multiple carriers Roysays, roy Chua says and that
delivers an E911 for indoor forsafety reasons.
There's a lot of pluses in thescenario.
If t-mobile can do an, at&t cando it, I don't see why verizon
can't do it.
He concluded uh, but they stillhaven't done it.
So you've, even though private5g networks have started to jump
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up and 5g has entered intoneutral hosting.
Verizon is still nowhere to befound.
That being said, I had a reallycool conversation this week,
talked to a couple differentvendors, but one of the vendors
I went back and rewatched theMobility Field Day episode
because I wanted to make sure Igot my facts straight with
Solona, and Solona talked aboutMoxon, not Moken.
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Moxon multi-operator, notcarrier, but multi-operator
exchange, and that wasinteresting.
And they talked about how theywill start supporting neutral
host using private 5G, and Idon't know if it's completely
ready for the market yet or not,so we're going to go look on
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their uh.
We're gonna look on theirwebsite and see what's publicly
listed in there, and it says onhere private 5g changes
everything.
And it says there's all thesegreat things, your own private
5g network, we connect wherewi-fi can't.
Uh, focus on security, growyour business.
Nothing on the front page thattalks about being neutral hosts,
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though, and they did mentionthis.
I went back to verify, todouble check my work, but I
swear I had seen somethingrecently on their on their Web
page, that talked about Salonasupporting neutral host, and you
know it was.
It was more than just themobility field day announcement
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that they had, but I want to saythat it was neutral host only
with AT&T or T-Mobile, thatnothing was done yet.
So it's, man, I wish Verizonwould figure this out.
Let me see Wi-Fi 6E privatecellular.
No, it doesn't say anything onhere yet.
Private network man, I don'tknow it's.
It's got to be on their websitesomewhere because I saw it.
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You know what?
They have a search tool.
Let's see if it neutral host.
Let's see if it works when Ipunch it in there.
Neutral host web.
There was a webcast.
Neutral host networks inbuilding cellular.
Yes, salonaio slash neutraldash host is where you can find
this information and it talksabout t-Mobile BYOC 2.0.
There are five bars of publiccellular coverage.
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They have a whole brief on thisthing and I think that it's
awesome.
I think that when you compareit to DAS, this is such an
interesting solution and I'mgoing to talk about that at the
end because I do want to go overwhat the difference between
some of these technologies are.
I've gotten a lot of questions,especially after I did the
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thing about Signal Roam runningon Ubiquiti.
I have gotten a slew ofquestions and I want to make
sure that I address what thedifferences are between Wi-Fi,
offload, private cellular withneutral host and DAS, and then
we can throw in amplifiers inthere as well.
So lots of you know lots ofstuff swirling around Verizon on
this.
You know Verizon saying, well,we're not worried about the
super cycle for iPhone 16, butthey're also not worried about
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private 5G, they're also notworried about offload.
I don't know what's going on inVerizon.
I have no insight over there.
Speaking of insight, this iskind of funny to switch over to
my next tab here.
This is like podcast ADD, afterseeing a Wi-Fi network named
Stinky Navy found hiddenStarlink dish on a US warship.
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To be fair, it's hard to livewithout Wi-Fi.
It's no secret that governmentIT can be a huge bummer.
For instance, a former USambassador to Kenya got in
trouble after working out of anembassy compound bathroom, the
only place he could use hispersonal computer to access an
unsecured network that let himlog into Gmail, where he did his
official business.
But let's see the USSmanchester, who didn't like the
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navy's restriction of onboardinternet access in 2023.
They decided the best way todeal with the problem was to
secretly bolt a starlinkterminal on the o5 level level
weather deck of a us warship.
They called the resulting wi-finetwork stinky, and when
officers on the ship heardrumors and began asking
questions, the leader of thescheme brazenly lied about it.
Then, when exposed, she went asfar as to make up fake Starlink
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usage reports, suggesting thatthe system had only been
accessed while in port, wherecybersecurity and espionage
concerns were lower.
Rather unsurprisingly, thestory ends badly.
This is an article, by the way,from Ars Technica, nate Anderson
.
Fantastic, thank you fordigging this one up and sharing
it with the world.
A full-on navy investigationand a court-martial.
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Oh god, still for half a year.
Life aboard the manchester musthave been one hell of a ride.
Oh my god.
There's a picture of it andeverything.
Uh, anyway, there's.
All the details are online.
But you know you can't.
How do you hide?
How do you hide starlink?
How do you?
She didn't?
Do you hide Starlink?
How do you?
She didn't think to hide anSSID.
That's wow.
You know it taught you roguenetworks right, easy, easy way
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to look at it.
Does anybody ever really lookat rogue networks?
I mean, that's always been afeature of all these access
points and all their services.
And you know, and you look atit.
You know rogue APs.
Yeah, I know there's a bunch ofrogue APs, but it's like that
whole syndrome where there's toomany alarms.
You know, you see so many rogueAPs.
You're like, oh, another one.
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Rogue AP alerts man candefinitely come in handy.
Let's see what else we got onhere.
Where's another good one?
Ifa 2-2024.
Here's an interesting one.
I haven't read this article yet, but let's flip through it in
real time.
Rcr wireless news, kelly hill,reporting that the bluetooth
special interest group, thebluetooth sig, has released a
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new specification that includeschannel sounding capabilities
with quote true distanceawareness.
In quote for fine ranging usecases.
Quote Bluetooth channelsounding will enable a
standards-based, secure approachto reliable and accurate
distance measurement and manytypes of products will benefit.
The organization said in a blogpost about the latest spec.
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That blog post can be found byvisiting Bluetoothcom.
It talks about Bluetoothversion 6.0.
Silicon Labs has alreadyannounced support for the
capability on its xg24 chip,saying in a news release the
feature quote enhances theaccuracy and security of
bluetooth ranging capabilities.
Silicon lab said that it's ableto provide location accuracy of
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less than a meter with the newbluetooth spec.
Okay, so less than a meter isgood.
Fine, time measurement can giveyou more.
Um, that's great, not thrilled,I guess.
I mean, that's cool forbluetooth ranging.
But ftm is a little bit morespecific in there and you know
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everyone's adopted not everyone,but you know cisco's adopted it
and aruba's adopted it.
So find time measurement therewill be awesome.
I guess this is, you know.
Look, I'm not knocking, I'mjust saying that let's say I
mean I can get a meter withwi-fi.
I can get less than a meterwith wi-fi if I really tune it
in.
I mean, hell, I did that withthe guys at wave spot.
Shout out to sit in a team atwave spot, aka pronto networks.
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Remember pronto networks anyway, um, wave spot could do that
when we tuned it in.
Man, I could have two cashregisters sitting at a
convenience store and I couldtell you the difference between
cash register A and cashregister B using Wi-Fi.
So not necessarily thrilled.
Silicon Labs explainedpreviously Bluetooth Received
Signal Strength Indicator,otherwise known as RSSI, was
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used for location but relied onestimations.
Aha, aha, was used for locationbut relied on estimations
guesstimations, it should say hedigs knowingly and was
susceptible to radio frequencyissues such as signal
obstruction or multi-path thatcould reduce its actual accuracy
.
Okay, what?
What I mean really this.
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Yeah, bruh, this gets down intolike into the end of the
article.
It's like, oh, this is great,they're gonna do some stuff of
uh I don't know bluetoothsounding it out.
It uses phase-based ranging asprimary means of establishing
around trip time, secondaryranging method double check and
verify pbr measurement.
But I don't know, it says.
In a world where locationawareness is critical, bluetooth
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channel sounding revolutionizesproximity and location
capabilities, propellingbluetooth technology into a new
era that has only previouslybeen done by fine time
measurement and by Wi-Fi and byother Bluetooth, like the stuff
inside Mist and by things thathave already Come on, guys, well
, that's cool, I'll take it.
Greetings from Jamaica Whoa,that's awesome.
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Man Mark talking about nothingabout Verizon?
Yeah, it's Salona, they didn'tmention Verizon on the neutral
host, but Luke Fong.
Greetings from Jamaica.
What's up?
Man, that's awesome.
Now you're making me rethink mylunch plans immediately to jerk
chicken, like immediately.
Okay.
So, phase-based ranging usingBluetooth?
Well, that'll come in version6.0, thanks to the dedication
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and hard work of Bluetoothcommunity.
It's always expanding that fromBluetoothcom, where you can
find out more information aboutBluetooth channel sounding.
Very cool, look it up, you know.
Another tool in the tool bagisn't going to hurt anyone.
I would love to see more peopleusing location-aware
applications.
I mean that would be cool.
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Uh, you know, I remember uheric at intel talking about that
at wi-fi now world congress andthen talking about it, um, at
the wba talking about things youknow.
When you, when you step up toyour computer, it's able to
identify you, not just based onyour face and based on your
login, but based on yourproximity to that, to that.
So location-based services haveanother thing there.
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Let's see.
Ntt deploys citywide private 5Gand IoT in Brownsville, texas.
I cannot tell you how happy Iam to read this.
I've strong been an advocate,and long been an advocate, for
not just bearing fiber when itcomes to bridging the digital
divide, but also taking atop-down approach and coming
from the airwaves as well, andit looked like for the longest
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time that Brownsville was onlygoing to focus on the fiber side
.
And now Brownsville, texas, hascommissioned NTT Data to deploy
a private 5G network and aroster of IoT and AI
applications to supportprominent public services,
public safety, environmentalsustainability and economic
growth.
It doesn't sound like they'redoing it for connectivity, but
they're doing it for IoT and Iwill take it because that is
awesome.
Keep in mind, brownsville's thesame place that Elon came in,
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and so we're gonna give you guys$20 million.
And they used it to do what?
Deploy streetlights Not smartstreetlights, not intelligent
streetlights, just regular oldstreetlights for a
beautification project that thenhad to go back and be removed
and raised because they put themin there too too low, so
they've had a couple of stumbleshere and there, but knowing
that this is happening isfantastic city management over
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there.
I couldn't be more proud of youway to go.
Brownsville, looking at thisfrom the top down um, they let's
see ntd data, which has a majorus 5g smart city deployment in
vegas, resales private 5Gsystems from Solona and Cisco
we're just talking about Solonaand also Nokia on an ad hoc
basis.
The vendor brand on theBrownsville installation has not
been confirmed.
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Very cool.
The company also sells in-houseand third-party IoT solutions.
Man, it would be so awesome ifBrownsville used connectivity
for 5G, using 5G not just forIoT, but for getting people
online as well and broadbandspecifically for devices or
mobile devices or handhelds.
Oh man, city of Brownsville isnamed the worst connected city
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by the US government's NationalTelecoms and Information
Administration, otherwise knownas the NTIA, in 2017.
It's now becoming one of thebest connected cities in the
United States.
They still haven't done muchyet, so it'll be cool to see
this taking place.
This is down in my neck of thewoods and I'm glad to see that
our area is getting on the mapfor something really cool.
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So, again, very neat to see,very neat to see this, awesome,
very excited for them.
All right, what else we gotgoing on in the news today?
Uh, dicom is buying black andbeach's wireless infrastructure
construction business.
Might not mean a lot to you all, but black and beach does a
whole bunch of infrastructureand telecommunications
deployments and dicom haspurchased them for 150 million
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dollars, capitalized on growthopportunities and wireless
network modernization.
That that's that whole 4G to 5Gmove and then 5G into 6G move.
Interesting to see DICOM doingthat.
I guess I don't know if BlackVeatch is completely divesting
themselves of this, but it'sgoing to provide wireless
construction services in NewYork, jersey, missouri, kansas,
colorado, utah, wyoming, idaho,montana.
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Wow, it's the largest everwireless services acquisition by
DICOM.
The business was a subsidiaryof Raleigh, north Carolina,
headquartered constructioncompany Overland Contracting.
It's also a subsidiary ofOverland Park, kansas-based
engineering firm Black Veatch,so pretty cool.
Pretty cool to see it'semployee-owned.
Oh, it was employee-owned,that's awesome.
It was sold to Ansco andAssociates of North Cross,
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georgia, and then into DICOM.
The acquisition strategicallystrengthens DICOM customer base
and expands geographic scope tomore broadly address growth
opportunities and wirelessnetworking modernization,
including Open RAN, thetransformation for initiatives
and deployment services.
Very cool to see that.
It's good to see some movementin that space, speaking movement
in the space t-mobile acquired.
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They put in the bid to acquireus cellular and now there's some
senators that are jumping onboard to uh, not protest that,
but they're sounding the alarmin a concerted effort to protect
competition and consumers.
A coalition of us senators,including elizabeth warren, amy
klobuchar, chris Murphy, bernieSanders, cory Booker and Richard
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Blumenthal, have written aletter to Jonathan Cantor,
assistant Attorney General inthe Antitrust Division,
department of Justice, and MsJessica Rosenworcel, the chair
of the FCC, saying that theyshould be scrutinizing this $4
billion acquisition of UScellulose, saying it could
reduce competition, raise pricesand have other potential
consumer and employee harm.
And T-Mobile had acquiredSprint in 2020, and now they
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gobbled up US Cellular.
So the alarm has been soundedand featured news is from
wirelessestimatorcom.
Very cool.
I don't think I've visited thiswebsite before, but good to see
some good reporting happeningthere.
There's no name that I canattribute with this, so whoever
wrote that article, good job.
Let's see what else we gotgoing on here.
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That's about all I have on myopen tabs, but, man, there's a
lot going on.
And then in the last week someother things have happened.
I mean, obviously, 4g and 5Gprivate cellular is making a
move and people are talking alot more about it.
But there's also somethingcoming from a pricing
perspective where it looks likesome of the pricing is going to
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change on some of the stuff.
I got some partnernotifications that pricing is
getting slashed on some vendorequipment and I'm not going to
say who.
I don't know if I'm supposed tosay who according to reseller
agreements, but be on thelookout because I'm I'm looking
at the, the whole scene of this.
I'm going okay, well, private 4g, private 5g is starting to take
off.
People are looking at it more.
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You start to talk about neutralhost and where that's playing a
little bit heavier, and withthe introduction of mocking and
moxon and people using these now, with support for att, t mobile
, with maybe-Mobile, with maybesomeday Verizon coming on, with
all of this happening for avendor who is starting to see
some really cool upwardstrajectory to now cut their
pricing by a decent amount 40%if I read it correctly.
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Now you're going to see vendorsthat are on the up and up with
their pricing dropping.
This is going to kick it inhigh gear for them, which is
awesome to see.
So good luck to everyone inthat space.
A lot, of, a lot of very coolmovement happening in private 4g
and private 5g um and again Iwant to.
I want to break down some ofthe things there at the end, but
I do want to talk about theedge core and indio conversation
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that came up on I saw it onlinkedin.
Indio and edge core are workingtogether on open Wi Fi.
They put out a press releasesaying that they're going to
work together from the softwareand the hardware side, so that
it is a collaborative effortfrom them to advance open Wi Fi.
And this is a big deal, right?
Because if you think about apress release that would come
out that says, hey, meraki hasannounced it's working with HP
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Aruba so you can use Arubaaccess points in the Meraki
cloud, that would be huge news.
Now that hasn't come out yet.
But if you know anything aboutopen Wi-Fi or if you don't know
anything about open Wi-Fi,that's how open Wi-Fi works.
It's an open network managementand orchestration system and
you can use any vendor accesspoints with any vendors
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management platform and it's.
It's really cool.
But now not only do you havethat, but now you have two
vendors.
They're saying, hey, we'reactually going to work together
to do this.
You have two separate vendors,two separate hardware
manufacturers one of them thatspecializes in software, one
specializes in hardware andthey're saying, hey, we're
really going to make a concertedeffort to move this forward.
That is so cool.
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Congratulations to Edgecore andto Indio for having the courage
in the space to do that.
I think that's really neat andI'm really really glad to see it
continuing to push the envelopewith open Wi-Fi.
And just what a great projectto have efforts like that being
put together by vendors who aresaying, look, we got to work
together and really make thisthing work for everyone.
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I thought that that was prettyneat.
What else do we have going onBrick?
So I came across this companycalled Brick on Instagram and
they make a little tag that youcan stick on the wall and when
you have the app on your phone,the corresponding app, and you
tap on it, what it does is itdisables a number of
applications on your phone andyou can choose the ones that are
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distracting to you.
Whatever the social media appsare, youtube, whatever it is,
it's going to distract you andwhenever you tap that brick, it
basically bricks your phone andit makes it so that it only uses
the applications that you'vedeemed non-distracting if you
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will, and the only way to turnthem back on is you have to tap
the brick again.
And what a cool use of NFCalong with apps to do something
that I think is really neat,because article after article
there was one this morning inWall Street Journal or New York
Times talking about schools andabout how people are trying to
figure out how to either banphones in schools or use them
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only for good and I saw thisthing brick and I was like man,
there needs to be one of theseat every classroom entrance in
every school so that studentscan use their phones for the
calculator or to documentsomething, but make it so that
there's got to be a way, there'sgot to be something out there
where a school can push that andwhen you walk into the room you
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tap the phone and that disableseverything except the core
functionality.
And then you tap it when youleave and then you can use all
your socials.
I think it's a great idea.
I think it's definitely earlyin what they're doing, but kudos
to them.
It's two guys that started thisand they're millennials, if I
read it correctly, which wasshocking to Fast Company who was
reporting about this, and itwas just really neat to see that
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people wanted to figure out away to brick their phones on
purpose.
Along those lines, september Ithink 23rd is the date to place
your orders.
The Barbie flip phone is goingafter an entire generation of
people who want a digital detox.
It's a standard flip phone.
I actually I've got, not theBarbie one, but I have a TCL one
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right here.
Nokia has introduced the Barbieflip phone.
It's got a mirror on it, it'sgot some little bangles that you
can put on it.
It's bright pink and with areally cool pattern and it has
the most basic cell phonefunctionality and a five
megapixel camera and it's meantfor people who just want to
disconnect everything everywhere.
It's selling for like 200 bucksor less.
You can order it on October23rd.
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I really want to get one for mydaughter and I had this
conversation with her.
She's 12, right and I said, hey, I want to get you this thing.
I think it's really cool and Ithink it's going to be kind of
trendy and people might like it.
And she's like, yeah, butunless a lot of people are doing
it, it's not going to solve theproblem, because if you don't
have some type of way tointeract with your peers, you're
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going to feel like you'remissing out.
And this again for my daughter,who does not have social media.
We have taken the bold step ofnot allowing social media.
Yet it's been very difficult,it's not easy for her, and we
recognize that and sherecognizes that and we're trying
you know, she knows that we'retrying to figure out how to, how
to navigate parenting in adigital world.
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So I said, well, what aboutthis?
And she's like, yeah, but thatdoesn't solve the problem,
unless all of my friends haveone, because then nobody's
texting.
But if you get a whole group ofpeople and some of them are
still texting and they'rethey're not disconnected, then
does it solve the problem?
So I think the Barbie phone, ascool as it is for people under
the age of 25, I think actually,honestly, it seems like maybe
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the people that are over 25 aregoing to be more interested in
this.
I showed it to my wife and sheloved it.
She's like, yes, but then shestopped and she's like, but I
can't send email on it, I can'twork on it, I can't do the
things I need to do on it, and Iwas like that's kind of the
point.
And she's like, yeah, I get it,but it's just so difficult to
disconnect when your entireworld is on your phone.
So I think it's going to becool to see, and I would
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definitely love to see a trendof that.
So the Barbie phone.
Anyway, speaking of connectivity, this fresh off the presses
Verizon Communications hasagreed to acquire Frontier
Communications for $20 billion,$10 billion in debt and $9.6 in
cash.
The purchase will boostVerizon's fiber optic network
connections by 2.2 millionsubscribers over 25 states.
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It's going to recapture some ofthe Fios fiber lines it sold
nearly a decade ago.
So Wall Street Journalreporting this.
It's a big deal To see T-Mobilemaking the play a couple of
weeks ago and acquiring a coupleof providers to get into that
space.
Now Verizon re-upping whatthey're doing with Fios.
There's movement in thatdirection, not just the mobile
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side.
But to see some of these MNOsreally digging deep into their
pockets to get back into thefiber space and to bolster their
fiber offerings, it tells yousomething, right?
It definitely tells yousomething.
Um, along those lines, at&t mademade a couple of announcements
last week and they said thatbefore the end of the year
they're going to be pushingwi-fi 7 equipment to its
customer base, which is neat.
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If you talk about, you know, isthis is this part of the uh, of
the whole push in the iphonedirection?
I don't know.
Josh goodell, the vicepresident of product experience,
says they pride themselves onbeing the backbone of modern
connectivity.
Uh, they operate entirenetworks made up of more than
1.4 million miles of fiber andthey transmit 737 petabytes of
data daily.
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Wow, that's like a lot, man,and when you're at home you
probably use wi-fi.
That's why they're excited tobe among the first to bring
wi-fi 7 to customers, with plansto introduce a new wi-fi 7
capable gateway before the endof the year.
We believe wi-fi 7 will helpcustomers access the multi-gig
internet speeds made possible byfiber and the next generation
applications and technologiesthat will be built upon them.
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To me, if you take that pressrelease on sept 3rd and then you
take the iPhone 16 stuff andthen you talk about the people
who are the pundits, saying, hey, there's going to be a big
super cycle for iPhone upgrades.
If iPhone 16 has Wi-Fi 7 andyou've got AT&T pushing Wi-Fi 7,
that is the start of some greatmarketing for them.
So kudos to them for getting infront of that.
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Not a conspiracy theorist atall, but if you put all those
side by side, that looks like agood news story.
The Barbie phone did notsupport Wi-Fi 7, I don't think,
by the way, just in case you'rewondering, but I need to go back
and look at the specs.
Anyway, that's what I've gotgoing on in the news.
Now to talk a little bit aboutthe other stuff, about private
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4G and private 5g.
I've got a lot of of comments,specifically about signal roam
and what we're doing.
A link for the brick phone markis asking for the brick phone.
It's called uh, let me see, Ican't remember.
Get brick dot app.
G-e-t-b-r-i-c-k.
Dot a-p-p.
Your phone minus thedistractions.
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Uh, get brick dot app is thewebsite for that mark.
So if you want to take a lookat it.
My channel inspired me to workin wireless, now for wireless
provider and nyc.
Hey, sweet man, that's reallycool.
I'm glad to hear it.
Uh, appreciate that.
That's neat.
A little little inspiration,that's cool, man.
I appreciate that very, verymuch.
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Let's see what else.
Keep inspiring, bro.
You got me into wireless.
Now I work for a Wi-Fi providerYay, all right.
Phase 114 BX from the BX.
I like it, man, very cool.
Okay, what else we got on here?
Let's see when was I going.
Okay, I got a lot of commentsspecifically for people asking
about what Signal Room was andhow it worked, because I put it
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out there and I said you can useyour Ubiquiti wireless network
to fill coverage gaps and helpwith cellular coverage, and that
caused a whole lot ofconversation.
Lots of threads on Reddit, lotsof threads in the Ubiquiti
group on Reddit, lots of threadson the video there on YouTube.
So let me take a second toexplain what's in my mind when
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it comes to this, because Ithink about it from a top to
bottom approach of affordabilityand capability.
Right, but more affordabilitythan capability.
So let's start at the top right, let us start at the beginning.
It's a very good place to start, as they say, in the sound of
music.
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So at the very top you've gotDAS, and so DAS is digital
amplification, digital antennasystems.
Some people use either term,but DAS is basically where you
take a device that's connectedto a cell provider, a mobile
network operator, and you plugit in in the back, you plug in
fiber, you plug in you know,ethernet, whatever it is, and
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then you can air run fiber,optic or coax lines out to
antennas distributed all acrossyour facility.
If you've ever been to anairport or a large stadium,
you've definitely seen DAS orthe weird looking teardrop
antennas that are up there.
Sometimes they're panels, butthey are basically meant to
operate a cell tower, if youwill, a cell site on the actual
premise, right?
So it's there, and you want tomake sure and God, I hate saying
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on-premise, because I alwaysscrew up and I don't know if I'm
saying it right and I blame allof that on the folks at
Mobility Field Day and it'sactually on-premises and that's
why I worry about it, because Iscrew it up, okay, anyway, so
you've got a cell site deployedon-premises there in the
location and your cell phonethen connects directly to that
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and it broadcasts a lot of thesame frequencies that the
carriers use, or a subset ofthose frequencies, and your
phone doesn't know thedifference between where you are
in the stadium or in theshopping center or in the
airport and the cell networkthat's outside, because to them
it's all the same and that's the.
That is like the most basic, uhand most incredible
functionality for connectingcellular devices.
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It's a one-to-one match towhat's going on on the tower.
And if you increase 4, 4g and 5G, 5g really focused on
microcells and smaller cells andthey don't really want to focus
on macrocells like 4G did.
They want smaller cells andsmaller cell areas.
5g was really good at thatbecause you get more users in
close proximity using higheramounts of capacity, and that's
where small cell really came inand that's where DAS really
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plays strong.
So that's where small cellreally came in and that's where
DAS really plays strong.
So that's at the top level.
But it's expensive as hell.
That's the only problem If youdon't have a budget for it.
You're talking hundreds ofthousands and millions of
dollars to deploy this stuff andthat's not a stretch.
It is very expensive to do andI had a great conversation with
a friend of mine who's a big DASintegrator this week and we
talked about when is the righttime to deploy DAS, and it's the
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stuff that's done before thesheetrock goes up and the cables
are run and the antennas areput in and everything's set.
And DAS is like putting a cellsite in your facility.
That's DAS right Now.
If you take a step lower thanthat in price, you've got a
couple of different options andthose options to me are right in
that private cellular spaceoptions and those options to me
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are right in that privatecellular space.
So if you have private cellular,if you're only worried about
connecting your devices to yourdata network, then private
cellular is a good addition to aWi-Fi network.
It's not a replacement of aWi-Fi network, but it's a good
addition to a Wi-Fi network.
Whether you're using 4Gtechnology or 5G technology,
it's all about what you're doingand what your use case is and
how much capacity you need.
But when you've got privatecellular, what that does is that
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allows you to take your privatedevices, connect them to your
private network so you can dodata sharing.
Think about IoT, think aboutforklifts driving around a
warehouse.
Think about communicationsinside an industrial space or at
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a farm or agriculture orhealthcare, where you just need
inter-office communications.
Private cellular is phenomenalat doing that.
Wi-fi is great for big data,you know, in close proximity.
Private cellular is good atcovering these large uncarpeted
areas phenomenal at it.
And again, 4g 5G, depending onwhat your use case is Now.
Add to that all thisconversation that we're having
about Moken and about Moxon andabout neutral host networks.
So imagine you have a privatecellular network that's not just
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working for your IoT andworking for your devices, but
now it allows you to connectthat back to the carrier.
So we're seeing that right.
Solona talked about that,infinigi talks about that.
There's a couple of differentproviders that are talking about
it where you can have thatprivate cellular experience.
But instead of spending all themoney on DAS, because that was
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the only way to connect to thecarrier in the old days, now I
can use CBRS band 48, lte band48 to use with my devices, where
my phone can go inside and itimmediately connects to that
CBRS network and my phonedoesn't know the difference.
It knows that it's justconnected to, can go inside and
it immediately connects to thatCBRS network.
And my phone doesn't know thedifference.
It knows that it's justconnected to the carriers,
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whether that's T-Mobile or AT&T,in this space in the United
States right now, becauseVerizon, being Verizon, isn't
supporting everything yet.
Unless you buy it throughVerizon, then it does all three
of them.
But if you have private cellulartied into the carrier using
neutral host, that to me is alittle bit of a threat to the
DAS space.
Because DAS is so expensive andwhen you look at the price
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model and we talked about thisat Mobility Field Day the price
model for DAS is about, if yousay it's 100,000 square foot
building across five years, it'sabout three bucks a square foot
is what it comes out to is whatyou can budget for DAS.
If you look at doing this withsomething like Celona, you're
looking at like a buck, 50 orless, maybe even less than a
dollar per square foot.
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That is significantly differentcompared to where DAS is and it
not only supports theaggregation, the movement to the
carriers, but it also supportsprivate cellular.
So now not only do you have thesame user experience as you
would, because you're roamingonto a network that's supporting
the carriers, but now you'vegot all the private cellular
components as well.
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Now you've got video camerasand ATM machines and forklifts
and sensors and all the otherIoT stuff that runs private
cellular.
So to me, that's the part thatwas like the huge missing piece.
And Joel Lentolman in Finnegyshowed this off and this is what
they're doing at the Facebookcampuses and he's gotten so many
really great accolades for usbecause what he did was insanely
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awesome and it still is.
You look at it and you go man,you've built something
incredible.
Because it's private, you canuse it for private cellular or
you can use it for the carriers,and his solution uses equipment
from Airspan.
And now you look at Celonasaying, hey, we're going to do
this.
Well, now you have a companythat is not only offering the
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hardware and the orchestrationand the software and the SIM
management and the privatecellular and 4G and the private
cellular and 5G and accesspoints that support both 4G and
5G.
Now, if they're tying into thecarriers, it's kind of a big
deal.
It's kind of a big deal.
So you've got DAS up at the top,super expensive but very
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feature-rich, just like thecellular connection model.
Then you've got private 5G,private 4G with a neutral host
connection in it.
That's kind of in the middle.
And then down at the bottomyou've got what we're doing at
SignalRoom and what that's doingis that's saying, look, you
don't want to replaceinfrastructure, you want to use
your existing Wi-Fiinfrastructure, but you want to
add a way for people's phones tohave a user experience.
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That's better, because the cellservice might suck inside the
building.
That's where Signal Roam comesin, because you can say, look,
we can reconfigure your APs, wecan use Passpoint, and that
Passpoint will allow yoursubscriber phones on AT&T,
t-mobile or any of their MVNOsto seamlessly roam onto the
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network securely using 802.1Xauthentication and still have
that tie-in to the carrier.
So when I walk in, if I'm onT-Mobile or AT&T, when I walk in
and I make a phone call, itjust works.
My cell coverage might not begood because you're at the edge
of a cell or you're inside aschool or a building where the
coverage is really poor comingfrom outside in.
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But now you're tunnelingeverything across Wi-Fi because
you're using Passpoint toauthenticate and you're using
that Wi-Fi calling those sameports on Wi-Fi calling to push
that data for voice or for textmessages or whatever.
So you've got Signal Roam.
That doesn't require any newinfrastructure, just 15 minutes
of config.
But it uses and leverages Wi-Fiauthenticated via Passpoint to
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the carrier right and then pipedout to the carrier.
Then you've got privatecellular in the middle and then
private cellular with neutralhost attached to that and then
up at the top you've got DAS.
So I wanted to take a second toexplain.
I know this is making thepodcast run a little bit long,
but I wanted to take a second toexplain that because I don't
know if everyone knows what'sgoing on there and I did receive
a lot of questions for it and Iwanted to make a video that I
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could chop up and edit and sendto people and say this is what I
mean when I talk about it.
So I hope that I did a good jobexplaining that.
As with anything, I make nopromises on my accuracy of
information.
I mean, I could totally bewrong, but I don't think I'm
wrong and I've deployed thisstuff so it's worked the way
that I talk about.
So it's interesting.
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The course cheap says Mark wasa VOLT and VONR yeah, yeah Then.
Oh, let me add something tothat.
Then you've got the folks overat Helium and at XNet who are
doing this other thing and thisother thing, and I've got some
Helium stuff here, I've got someXNet stuff here and they are
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doing this thing where if youdeploy one of the XNet, for
example, if you deploy an XNetaccess point, it's
pre-configured and they made theannouncement yesterday that
they're working with a carrier,unspecified unless they
specified it today unspecifiedcarrier, single carrier to do
offload for them.
And basically, if you havetheir access point and you turn
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this on, if someone comes intoyour network or roams onto your
network and uses your Wi-Fi toaccess their carrier, they pay
you in their token, which is agreat idea.
They pay you a certain amountper gig, I think it is that you
get.
Every time someone you know youreach a gigabit of usage on
there, you get some token fromXnet or from Helium and then you
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can stack up those tokens anddo something with them, trade
them, sell them, whatever it is.
But it's basically a way ofcompensating you for using your
bandwidth to do carrier offload.
Now I've been following that fora minute because it sounds like
such a great idea.
And if I could stick littleHelium or XNet access points up
everywhere and turn it all onand people could just use my
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network and then I got paid forit, that would be great.
If you're a hotel operator, youput this in, you can monetize
your Wi-Fi.
That's in there.
That would be awesome, but Idon't know how well it works and
I'm not, you know.
I'm going to reach out to theteams at x and helium and see if
they want to join the podcastsometime, because I would love
to learn more and I would loveto learn what makes it, what
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makes it better?
Um, and I would love to learnhow that monetization component
of it works, because right now,like with signal room, we have
to charge.
There's a fee associated withit, because some of the
reporting we have to do and thesetup and the time and the
servers and the authenticationand all that stuff, there's a
fee associated with it, wheresome of the carriers have a way
that they do it at no fee.
Helium and XNet are saying theywill pay you for it.
So does Google Orion.
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Google has a thing called Orionthat does the same thing.
But I tried to set up Orion andI found it to be a little bit
cumbersome, although Edgecorejust announced a setup for it
yesterday.
So so Edgecore just announced asetup for it yesterday, so I'm
going to see if I can dig intoOrion a little bit more.
But there's this whole D-PIN,decentralized network,
infrastructure infrastructurenetwork, sorry and decentralized
(44:54):
Wi-Fi D-Y, d-y and D-PIN,d-e-p-i-n and D-E-W-I.
Go look online, go look on X andC, if you can find some of that
stuff, if you're interested inthat.
It sounds super promising butit hasn't scaled yet, so we'll
see where it goes.
I'm a huge fan of Helium, so Ihope that that starts moving
pretty soon.
Let's see.
Mark says my guess is T-Mobile.
You know, I'm going to lookreal quick on X and I'm going to
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see if there have been anyannouncements on that because
let me see, uh, I'm, I'm, I'minterested in it.
I'm interested to see who it'sgoing to be.
X net mobile.
So on on X, if you go, xcomslash X N E T underscore mobile.
This is X net mobile's deal.
The weight is over.
First major us mobile carriercontract, direct carrier deal,
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roaming deal in deep end.
They're very excited about it.
They have a community call.
Uh, yesterday or two days ago,2 000 people tuned into it.
It's a fun community call.
If you want to learn more aboutit, jump on their uh x page or
their twitter page and look itup.
But they don't have.
I'm gonna look in the commentsand see if anybody left any
comments.
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Can you guys please hire anactual marketer to help brand
drastically?
Oh my God, sorry, going to zero.
What carrier, what carrier,what carrier, what carrier, what
carrier?
No one has said anything.
They do have a very activeDiscord channel as well and on
their Discord channel sometimesthey release a little bit more
information channel as well, andon their discord channel
(46:25):
sometimes they release a littlebit more information.
Let me jump on their discordchannel just so that we can have
the conversation.
At&t wi-fi passpoint x netoffload.
Okay that someone posted thessid after enabling it.
So instead of guessing who itwas, someone uploaded a
screenshot showing that it'sAT&T Wi-Fi Passpoint.
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So the the it's been solved.
At&t is working with Xnet, itlooks like on their equipment to
do offload.
This was posted um a couple daysago, so fantastic to read that.
Good.
Good for them.
Um, interesting.
Yeah, well, didn't, didn't seethat one coming.
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Well, it's not Verizon, I mean.
But hell, I could have told youthat Everyone seems to be
waiting on Verizon at this point, so we'll see.
Anyway, that's all I got.
It's been a week, man.
It's been a week, and next weekI'll try and get this thing
back on schedule, but I doappreciate you taking the time
to listen a little bit longer.
We are still just a little bitshy of the amount of subscribers
(47:28):
.
It takes for my wife to inviteme to go to Mexico with her.
So if you would please sharethis one, 107 of your best
friends and uh, and then I cando a podcast from Mexico, that
would be.
That'd be really cool.
Anyway, um, um, I hopeeverybody has a wonderful week.
There's stuff coming up, um, youknow I always go over the
events calendar, but the eventscalendar stacked, man, there's a
(47:50):
.
There's a ton of stuff going on.
The big ones to me are uh, arewlpc and prog.
Fingers crossed might be ableto go that one.
If you know, uh, if you know ofanyone who wants to sponsor it
here, let me.
Let me cut real quick.
Let me do a full commercialready.
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Reach out to me, be happy tosponsor, talk about your product
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Send me to a trade show.
Let me go over everything inthe industry for you.
I'm happily accepting uhsponsorship.
There you go anyway.
Uh.
Seriously, though, if you knowanyone who wants to sponsor it,
there might be someone online toget me out to wlpc prague,
which would be phenomenalbecause I love that group of
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people.
It would be great to see them.
Wlpc phoenix is coming up againin february.
Speaking of wi-fi offload andstuff, um man, I hope there's a
big presence of that at WLPC.
That'll be cool to see.
And then CES, ces.
If you're making plans to go toVegas, please let me know.
We have a really good time.
We can do a meetup and we canall hang out in Vegas for a
(48:54):
night, have a couple of drinkson Mr Sean Bender.
We'll let him pay for the tab.
Anyway, I hope you all have awonderful week.
No-transcript.
Hello everybody, good morning.
Good morning.
I hope you had a wonderful week.
Drew Lentz, the wireless nerd,here to examine and explore
what's new, what's now, what'snext, what's happening in the
wireless industry Lots of funstuff.
It was a busy week.
You know.
Usually I cut these things onMonday or Tuesday.
Monday was Labor Day, tuesdaywas catching up, wednesday was
(00:22):
you know, I'm fired up out ofhere.
Thursday is like, well, I mightas well do a Friday and then
Friday's here, let's cut thepodcast, let's have some fun.
So I hope everybody is havingas a fantastic week as I've had.
It has been a really eye-openingweek, third week in school for
the little kids, lots of backand forth and trying to get all
those things sorted out, but Ithink we got it down.
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I think there's a lot of goodstuff happening.
Now to jump into what'shappening in the actual industry
holy moly, 5g man and Wi-Fioffload and all these things.
Sometimes I think maybe I'mjust in a bubble with what I do
and what I'm focused on thatweek, and then I just see all
the articles posted abouteverything that's online and
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what people are talking aboutand movement, what I'm focused
on that week, and then I justsee all the articles posted
about everything that's onlineand what people are talking
about and movement, and I'm like, oh, I guess I'm on trend for a
little bit.
And just so you know, if you'veever wondered, I wonder if
anybody still does what I do.
I still use RSS feeds.
I use a whole lot of RSS feeds.
There's no good way toaggregate news like RSS.
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I haven't found any way that Ithink works well.
And I remember the old GoogleReader.
God, I miss that thing so much.
But I use Inoreader.
I-n-o-r-e-a-d-e-r Inoreader Enoreader.
I don't know.
If you're listening from thereand you want to give me a
sponsorship, I will take itbecause I pay for this and I
like it a whole lot.
Actually, I don't mind payingfor it, but if you want to
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sponsor, I'm always down forthat too.
Anyway, I use it.
I aggregate just a whole slewof articles and it's where I
come up with just some of themost random stuff that's going
on.
But it's good.
It's things that I think arefascinating and I like to share
with you, and I'm hitting.
I'm at 890 subscribers now onthe YouTube channel.
I've got a whole bunch offollowers on a couple of other
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different places.
So thank you for payingattention and giving me your
ears.
There's still a lot of peoplethat listen to the podcast only,
and that's great.
I like it.
I like that you listen to thepodcast only.
Let me know if the sound isever bad or if there's something
that I could do better, andI'll be happy to do that.
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So the first thing I'm going todo this morning is I'm going to
go through just what tabs I haveopen.
Usually, I make a little listof articles and things I want to
read, but I was looking at somenew articles this morning and
some stuff popped up that Ithought I would share.
So first there's this there'sthis rumor we're three days away
from the Apple event with thenew iPhone 16, and it's going to
have Wi-Fi 7, apparently,according to the rumor mill,
which I hope is true.
It would be great.
But there's this rumor thatit's going to drive a handset
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upgrade super cycle.
And what does that mean?
That means that people aregoing to look at this and from
13s, 14s and 15s, they're allgoing to go.
You know what?
Now's the time Now?
Now's the time to make a bigupgrade and just jump onto the
iPhone 16.
And I think it would befantastic because if it does
include Wi-Fi 7, that wouldusher in a whole new level of
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not just connectivity.
I'm thinking about it from ourside, the nerd side of the
people that have to actuallyoperate these networks.
If we have more people runningWi-Fi 7, man, that would make
the networks able to be operateda little bit easier.
A little bit less contention, alittle bit of slicing happening
, a little bit of resource unitallocation.
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It might make it cooler to havethat many Wi-Fi 7 devices on
there.
I didn't see any stats fromWi-Fi 7 coming from Cisco Live
this year and I know usually atsome of these conferences people
talk about it.
So I'll be keen to see thenumber of Wi-Fi 7 devices that
start to make their way into oureveryday lives.
But that being said, september9th, iphone 16, they say.
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You know, given the strongconsumer interest in AI
capabilities, we anticipate asuper cycle of upgrades when
Apple launches their devicesthat will support an embedded
Apple intelligence expectedlater in the year, said Rebecca
Griffiths, vice president ofproduct management strategy at
Assurant, which collects phonetrade-ins and prepares them for
resale.
This is from an article inFierce Networking, Fierce
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Wireless, by Monica Alevin.
Oh man, you know, monica, Ireally need to learn how to
pronounce your name.
I'm going to send you a message, I think on LinkedIn, and I'm
going to say man, you know,monica, I really need to learn
how to pronounce your name.
I'm going to send you a message, I think on LinkedIn, and I'm
going to say hey, monica, how doI pronounce your name?
Because I don't want to screwit up anymore.
Make a little note to that.
So that's pretty goodSupercycle.
That'll be good to see all thatequipment coming on.
New equipment Now, immediatelyafter that.
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I saw this morning on Fiercesomeone on fierce someone.
Let me see if I can find it.
At&t and verizon aren't worriedabout an iphone super cycle.
Posted 19 hours ago.
Dan jones at fierce networksays apple bulls are hyping a
potential iphone super cycle,but operator execs are more
cautious.
At&t has a massive installediphone base that rivals could
try and poach.
An analyst notes that apple'snew gen ai features have already
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been implemented by google andother handset providers.
So are they expecting the supercycle?
Well, I'm not really concerned.
Pascal Desrochers says we'velived through iPhone launches
before and we're prepared.
We're going to be competitivein the market, but disciplined,
he said, ignoring the Gen AIhype that Apple bulls have been
spreading about the iPhone 16,upgrading your phone is often
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the time that consumers can beenticed to switch carriers, said
Avi Greengart at Techsponentialthat's a cool name,
techsponential.
At&t has a lot of legacy iPhoneusers, which makes it a rich
target for rivals.
Okay, well, that'll beinteresting to watch.
If you're on AT&T and you've gotan old phone, are you thinking
about switching?
I use Verizon and I don't knowif I'm happy with it or not.
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I don't know that I've everbeen happy or not with a carrier
, but on that note, you know,what I do know is that in this
day and age, when I'm playingwith a whole bunch of these
Wi-Fi offload networks andprivate cellular and neutral
host and all of the MoCon andall that other stuff, verizon
isn't playing nice with anybodyelse.
And it's funny because I thinkthat again, I think that that
might have just been somethingin my little world that exists,
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me and the other nerds that talkabout wi-fi offload all the
time.
But then I read this articleright, and it's in here
somewhere and there's thisarticle about uh, it's again
from fierce.
Fierce is covering it, dance iscovering it.
Dan Jones, you're on it, bro,you're on it.
5g neutral host, privatenetworking, gains prominence in
the US.
But if you scroll down, theytalk about how you've got all
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these different groups that aresigning contracts with AT&T and
T-Mobile.
You've got Signal Roam, insertplug here.
You've got American Bandwidth.
You've got, you know, uh,infinigi.
You have all these groups thatare using AT&T and T-Mobile.
There's even there was anannouncement from Xnet yesterday
that they're supporting theirfirst operator, their first
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mobile network operator.
They didn't say who, but theysaid they're supporting their
first operator, not plural, uh,singular.
So it's gotta be either AT&T orT-Mobile.
Based on this, I don't thinkit's Verizon.
But if I scroll down on here,my boy, ray Chua, who I have not
met yet, who I'm lookingforward to meeting in just one
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month at the Meter Up show inSan Francisco.
Roy, did I say Ray?
I didn't mean Roy, anyway,sorry, I've never met Roy, so
when I put a face to a nameit'll be way cooler.
So roy chua, principal analystat avid think during a call with
fierce, says verizon was opento neutral host, but only if
they were the anchor tenant.
And this is the drum that I'vebeen beating for a minute.
Right because they you knowverizon comes out and they say,
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oh, we're going to do thisneutral host private 5g thing
with cummins in their in theirfactory and it supports at&t
mobile.
And everyone's like, okay,that's gonna be great, verizon's
finally going to supportneutral host.
So all the people that haveAT&T and T-Mobile already are
like, okay, sweet, let's callVerizon and get them on.
Verizon's like no, no, no, no,no, you can do neutral host as
long as we do the neutral hostfor you.
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But we're not going to play inthe opposite direction.
So they haven't come aroundfull circle yet to fully support
Wi-Fi offload or supportneutral host.
From a Verizon perspective,they're kind of sitting there
with their arms wrapped aroundthat thing, gatekeeping the
industry a little bit, which iskind of a pain.
But they have to have a reasonfor doing it.
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There's a desire to haveprivate 5G for indoor coverage
that uses multiple carriers Roysays, roy Chua says and that
delivers an E911 for indoor forsafety reasons.
There's a lot of pluses in thescenario.
If t-mobile can do an, at&t cando it, I don't see why verizon
can't do it.
He concluded uh, but they stillhaven't done it.
So you've, even though private5g networks have started to jump
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up and 5g has entered intoneutral hosting.
Verizon is still nowhere to befound.
That being said, I had a reallycool conversation this week,
talked to a couple differentvendors, but one of the vendors
I went back and rewatched theMobility Field Day episode
because I wanted to make sure Igot my facts straight with
Solona, and Solona talked aboutMoxon, not Moken.
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Moxon multi-operator, notcarrier, but multi-operator
exchange, and that wasinteresting.
And they talked about how theywill start supporting neutral
host using private 5G, and Idon't know if it's completely
ready for the market yet or not,so we're going to go look on
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their uh.
We're gonna look on theirwebsite and see what's publicly
listed in there, and it says onhere private 5g changes
everything.
And it says there's all thesegreat things, your own private
5g network, we connect wherewi-fi can't.
Uh, focus on security, growyour business.
Nothing on the front page thattalks about being neutral hosts,
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though, and they did mentionthis.
I went back to verify, todouble check my work, but I
swear I had seen somethingrecently on their on their Web
page, that talked about Salonasupporting neutral host, and you
know it was.
It was more than just themobility field day announcement
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that they had, but I want to saythat it was neutral host only
with AT&T or T-Mobile, thatnothing was done yet.
So it's, man, I wish Verizonwould figure this out.
Let me see Wi-Fi 6E privatecellular.
No, it doesn't say anything onhere yet.
Private network man, I don'tknow it's.
It's got to be on their websitesomewhere because I saw it.
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You know what?
They have a search tool.
Let's see if it neutral host.
Let's see if it works when Ipunch it in there.
Neutral host web.
There was a webcast.
Neutral host networks inbuilding cellular.
Yes, salonaio slash neutraldash host is where you can find
this information and it talksabout t-Mobile BYOC 2.0.
There are five bars of publiccellular coverage.
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They have a whole brief on thisthing and I think that it's
awesome.
I think that when you compareit to DAS, this is such an
interesting solution and I'mgoing to talk about that at the
end because I do want to go overwhat the difference between
some of these technologies are.
I've gotten a lot of questions,especially after I did the
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thing about Signal Roam runningon Ubiquiti.
I have gotten a slew ofquestions and I want to make
sure that I address what thedifferences are between Wi-Fi,
offload, private cellular withneutral host and DAS, and then
we can throw in amplifiers inthere as well.
So lots of you know lots ofstuff swirling around Verizon on
this.
You know Verizon saying, well,we're not worried about the
super cycle for iPhone 16, butthey're also not worried about
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private 5G, they're also notworried about offload.
I don't know what's going on inVerizon.
I have no insight over there.
Speaking of insight, this iskind of funny to switch over to
my next tab here.
This is like podcast ADD, afterseeing a Wi-Fi network named
Stinky Navy found hiddenStarlink dish on a US warship.
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To be fair, it's hard to livewithout Wi-Fi.
It's no secret that governmentIT can be a huge bummer.
For instance, a former USambassador to Kenya got in
trouble after working out of anembassy compound bathroom, the
only place he could use hispersonal computer to access an
unsecured network that let himlog into Gmail, where he did his
official business.
But let's see the USSmanchester, who didn't like the
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navy's restriction of onboardinternet access in 2023.
They decided the best way todeal with the problem was to
secretly bolt a starlinkterminal on the o5 level level
weather deck of a us warship.
They called the resulting wi-finetwork stinky, and when
officers on the ship heardrumors and began asking
questions, the leader of thescheme brazenly lied about it.
Then, when exposed, she went asfar as to make up fake Starlink
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usage reports, suggesting thatthe system had only been
accessed while in port, wherecybersecurity and espionage
concerns were lower.
Rather unsurprisingly, thestory ends badly.
This is an article, by the way,from Ars Technica, nate Anderson
.
Fantastic, thank you fordigging this one up and sharing
it with the world.
A full-on navy investigationand a court-martial.
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Oh god, still for half a year.
Life aboard the manchester musthave been one hell of a ride.
Oh my god.
There's a picture of it andeverything.
Uh, anyway, there's.
All the details are online.
But you know you can't.
How do you hide?
How do you hide starlink?
How do you?
She didn't?
Do you hide Starlink?
How do you?
She didn't think to hide anSSID.
That's wow.
You know it taught you roguenetworks right, easy, easy way
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to look at it.
Does anybody ever really lookat rogue networks?
I mean, that's always been afeature of all these access
points and all their services.
And you know, and you look atit.
You know rogue APs.
Yeah, I know there's a bunch ofrogue APs, but it's like that
whole syndrome where there's toomany alarms.
You know, you see so many rogueAPs.
You're like, oh, another one.
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Rogue AP alerts man candefinitely come in handy.
Let's see what else we got onhere.
Where's another good one?
Ifa 2-2024.
Here's an interesting one.
I haven't read this article yet, but let's flip through it in
real time.
Rcr wireless news, kelly hill,reporting that the bluetooth
special interest group, thebluetooth sig, has released a
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new specification that includeschannel sounding capabilities
with quote true distanceawareness.
In quote for fine ranging usecases.
Quote Bluetooth channelsounding will enable a
standards-based, secure approachto reliable and accurate
distance measurement and manytypes of products will benefit.
The organization said in a blogpost about the latest spec.
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That blog post can be found byvisiting Bluetoothcom.
It talks about Bluetoothversion 6.0.
Silicon Labs has alreadyannounced support for the
capability on its xg24 chip,saying in a news release the
feature quote enhances theaccuracy and security of
bluetooth ranging capabilities.
Silicon lab said that it's ableto provide location accuracy of
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less than a meter with the newbluetooth spec.
Okay, so less than a meter isgood.
Fine, time measurement can giveyou more.
Um, that's great, not thrilled,I guess.
I mean, that's cool forbluetooth ranging.
But ftm is a little bit morespecific in there and you know
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everyone's adopted not everyone,but you know cisco's adopted it
and aruba's adopted it.
So find time measurement therewill be awesome.
I guess this is, you know.
Look, I'm not knocking, I'mjust saying that let's say I
mean I can get a meter withwi-fi.
I can get less than a meterwith wi-fi if I really tune it
in.
I mean, hell, I did that withthe guys at wave spot.
Shout out to sit in a team atwave spot, aka pronto networks.
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Remember pronto networks anyway, um, wave spot could do that
when we tuned it in.
Man, I could have two cashregisters sitting at a
convenience store and I couldtell you the difference between
cash register A and cashregister B using Wi-Fi.
So not necessarily thrilled.
Silicon Labs explainedpreviously Bluetooth Received
Signal Strength Indicator,otherwise known as RSSI, was
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used for location but relied onestimations.
Aha, aha, was used for locationbut relied on estimations
guesstimations, it should say hedigs knowingly and was
susceptible to radio frequencyissues such as signal
obstruction or multi-path thatcould reduce its actual accuracy
.
Okay, what?
What I mean really this.
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Yeah, bruh, this gets down intolike into the end of the
article.
It's like, oh, this is great,they're gonna do some stuff of
uh I don't know bluetoothsounding it out.
It uses phase-based ranging asprimary means of establishing
around trip time, secondaryranging method double check and
verify pbr measurement.
But I don't know, it says.
In a world where locationawareness is critical, bluetooth
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channel sounding revolutionizesproximity and location
capabilities, propellingbluetooth technology into a new
era that has only previouslybeen done by fine time
measurement and by Wi-Fi and byother Bluetooth, like the stuff
inside Mist and by things thathave already Come on, guys, well
, that's cool, I'll take it.
Greetings from Jamaica Whoa,that's awesome.
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Man Mark talking about nothingabout Verizon?
Yeah, it's Salona, they didn'tmention Verizon on the neutral
host, but Luke Fong.
Greetings from Jamaica.
What's up?
Man, that's awesome.
Now you're making me rethink mylunch plans immediately to jerk
chicken, like immediately.
Okay.
So, phase-based ranging usingBluetooth?
Well, that'll come in version6.0, thanks to the dedication
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and hard work of Bluetoothcommunity.
It's always expanding that fromBluetoothcom, where you can
find out more information aboutBluetooth channel sounding.
Very cool, look it up, you know.
Another tool in the tool bagisn't going to hurt anyone.
I would love to see more peopleusing location-aware
applications.
I mean that would be cool.
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Uh, you know, I remember uheric at intel talking about that
at wi-fi now world congress andthen talking about it, um, at
the wba talking about things youknow.
When you, when you step up toyour computer, it's able to
identify you, not just based onyour face and based on your
login, but based on yourproximity to that, to that.
So location-based services haveanother thing there.
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Let's see.
Ntt deploys citywide private 5Gand IoT in Brownsville, texas.
I cannot tell you how happy Iam to read this.
I've strong been an advocate,and long been an advocate, for
not just bearing fiber when itcomes to bridging the digital
divide, but also taking atop-down approach and coming
from the airwaves as well, andit looked like for the longest
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time that Brownsville was onlygoing to focus on the fiber side
.
And now Brownsville, texas, hascommissioned NTT Data to deploy
a private 5G network and aroster of IoT and AI
applications to supportprominent public services,
public safety, environmentalsustainability and economic
growth.
It doesn't sound like they'redoing it for connectivity, but
they're doing it for IoT and Iwill take it because that is
awesome.
Keep in mind, brownsville's thesame place that Elon came in,
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and so we're gonna give you guys$20 million.
And they used it to do what?
Deploy streetlights Not smartstreetlights, not intelligent
streetlights, just regular oldstreetlights for a
beautification project that thenhad to go back and be removed
and raised because they put themin there too too low, so
they've had a couple of stumbleshere and there, but knowing
that this is happening isfantastic city management over
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there.
I couldn't be more proud of youway to go.
Brownsville, looking at thisfrom the top down um, they let's
see ntd data, which has a majorus 5g smart city deployment in
vegas, resales private 5Gsystems from Solona and Cisco
we're just talking about Solonaand also Nokia on an ad hoc
basis.
The vendor brand on theBrownsville installation has not
been confirmed.
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Very cool.
The company also sells in-houseand third-party IoT solutions.
Man, it would be so awesome ifBrownsville used connectivity
for 5G, using 5G not just forIoT, but for getting people
online as well and broadbandspecifically for devices or
mobile devices or handhelds.
Oh man, city of Brownsville isnamed the worst connected city
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by the US government's NationalTelecoms and Information
Administration, otherwise knownas the NTIA, in 2017.
It's now becoming one of thebest connected cities in the
United States.
They still haven't done muchyet, so it'll be cool to see
this taking place.
This is down in my neck of thewoods and I'm glad to see that
our area is getting on the mapfor something really cool.
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So, again, very neat to see,very neat to see this, awesome,
very excited for them.
All right, what else we gotgoing on in the news today?
Uh, dicom is buying black andbeach's wireless infrastructure
construction business.
Might not mean a lot to you all, but black and beach does a
whole bunch of infrastructureand telecommunications
deployments and dicom haspurchased them for 150 million
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dollars, capitalized on growthopportunities and wireless
network modernization.
That that's that whole 4G to 5Gmove and then 5G into 6G move.
Interesting to see DICOM doingthat.
I guess I don't know if BlackVeatch is completely divesting
themselves of this, but it'sgoing to provide wireless
construction services in NewYork, jersey, missouri, kansas,
colorado, utah, wyoming, idaho,montana.
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Wow, it's the largest everwireless services acquisition by
DICOM.
The business was a subsidiaryof Raleigh, north Carolina,
headquartered constructioncompany Overland Contracting.
It's also a subsidiary ofOverland Park, kansas-based
engineering firm Black Veatch,so pretty cool.
Pretty cool to see it'semployee-owned.
Oh, it was employee-owned,that's awesome.
It was sold to Ansco andAssociates of North Cross,
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georgia, and then into DICOM.
The acquisition strategicallystrengthens DICOM customer base
and expands geographic scope tomore broadly address growth
opportunities and wirelessnetworking modernization,
including Open RAN, thetransformation for initiatives
and deployment services.
Very cool to see that.
It's good to see some movementin that space, speaking movement
in the space t-mobile acquired.
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They put in the bid to acquireus cellular and now there's some
senators that are jumping onboard to uh, not protest that,
but they're sounding the alarmin a concerted effort to protect
competition and consumers.
A coalition of us senators,including elizabeth warren, amy
klobuchar, chris Murphy, bernieSanders, cory Booker and Richard
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Blumenthal, have written aletter to Jonathan Cantor,
assistant Attorney General inthe Antitrust Division,
department of Justice, and MsJessica Rosenworcel, the chair
of the FCC, saying that theyshould be scrutinizing this $4
billion acquisition of UScellulose, saying it could
reduce competition, raise pricesand have other potential
consumer and employee harm.
And T-Mobile had acquiredSprint in 2020, and now they
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gobbled up US Cellular.
So the alarm has been soundedand featured news is from
wirelessestimatorcom.
Very cool.
I don't think I've visited thiswebsite before, but good to see
some good reporting happeningthere.
There's no name that I canattribute with this, so whoever
wrote that article, good job.
Let's see what else we gotgoing on here.
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That's about all I have on myopen tabs, but, man, there's a
lot going on.
And then in the last week someother things have happened.
I mean, obviously, 4g and 5Gprivate cellular is making a
move and people are talking alot more about it.
But there's also somethingcoming from a pricing
perspective where it looks likesome of the pricing is going to
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change on some of the stuff.
I got some partnernotifications that pricing is
getting slashed on some vendorequipment and I'm not going to
say who.
I don't know if I'm supposed tosay who according to reseller
agreements, but be on thelookout because I'm I'm looking
at the, the whole scene of this.
I'm going okay, well, private 4g, private 5g is starting to take
off.
People are looking at it more.
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You start to talk about neutralhost and where that's playing a
little bit heavier, and withthe introduction of mocking and
moxon and people using these now, with support for att, t mobile
, with maybe-Mobile, with maybesomeday Verizon coming on, with
all of this happening for avendor who is starting to see
some really cool upwardstrajectory to now cut their
pricing by a decent amount 40%if I read it correctly.
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Now you're going to see vendorsthat are on the up and up with
their pricing dropping.
This is going to kick it inhigh gear for them, which is
awesome to see.
So good luck to everyone inthat space.
A lot, of, a lot of very coolmovement happening in private 4g
and private 5g um and again Iwant to.
I want to break down some ofthe things there at the end, but
I do want to talk about theedge core and indio conversation
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that came up on I saw it onlinkedin.
Indio and edge core are workingtogether on open Wi Fi.
They put out a press releasesaying that they're going to
work together from the softwareand the hardware side, so that
it is a collaborative effortfrom them to advance open Wi Fi.
And this is a big deal, right?
Because if you think about apress release that would come
out that says, hey, meraki hasannounced it's working with HP
(24:35):
Aruba so you can use Arubaaccess points in the Meraki
cloud, that would be huge news.
Now that hasn't come out yet.
But if you know anything aboutopen Wi-Fi or if you don't know
anything about open Wi-Fi,that's how open Wi-Fi works.
It's an open network managementand orchestration system and
you can use any vendor accesspoints with any vendors
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management platform and it's.
It's really cool.
But now not only do you havethat, but now you have two
vendors.
They're saying, hey, we'reactually going to work together
to do this.
You have two separate vendors,two separate hardware
manufacturers one of them thatspecializes in software, one
specializes in hardware andthey're saying, hey, we're
really going to make a concertedeffort to move this forward.
That is so cool.
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Congratulations to Edgecore andto Indio for having the courage
in the space to do that.
I think that's really neat andI'm really really glad to see it
continuing to push the envelopewith open Wi-Fi.
And just what a great projectto have efforts like that being
put together by vendors who aresaying, look, we got to work
together and really make thisthing work for everyone.
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I thought that that was prettyneat.
What else do we have going onBrick?
So I came across this companycalled Brick on Instagram and
they make a little tag that youcan stick on the wall and when
you have the app on your phone,the corresponding app, and you
tap on it, what it does is itdisables a number of
applications on your phone andyou can choose the ones that are
(25:58):
distracting to you.
Whatever the social media appsare, youtube, whatever it is,
it's going to distract you andwhenever you tap that brick, it
basically bricks your phone andit makes it so that it only uses
the applications that you'vedeemed non-distracting if you
(26:19):
will, and the only way to turnthem back on is you have to tap
the brick again.
And what a cool use of NFCalong with apps to do something
that I think is really neat,because article after article
there was one this morning inWall Street Journal or New York
Times talking about schools andabout how people are trying to
figure out how to either banphones in schools or use them
(26:41):
only for good and I saw thisthing brick and I was like man,
there needs to be one of theseat every classroom entrance in
every school so that studentscan use their phones for the
calculator or to documentsomething, but make it so that
there's got to be a way, there'sgot to be something out there
where a school can push that andwhen you walk into the room you
(27:03):
tap the phone and that disableseverything except the core
functionality.
And then you tap it when youleave and then you can use all
your socials.
I think it's a great idea.
I think it's definitely earlyin what they're doing, but kudos
to them.
It's two guys that started thisand they're millennials, if I
read it correctly, which wasshocking to Fast Company who was
reporting about this, and itwas just really neat to see that
(27:27):
people wanted to figure out away to brick their phones on
purpose.
Along those lines, september Ithink 23rd is the date to place
your orders.
The Barbie flip phone is goingafter an entire generation of
people who want a digital detox.
It's a standard flip phone.
I actually I've got, not theBarbie one, but I have a TCL one
(27:48):
right here.
Nokia has introduced the Barbieflip phone.
It's got a mirror on it, it'sgot some little bangles that you
can put on it.
It's bright pink and with areally cool pattern and it has
the most basic cell phonefunctionality and a five
megapixel camera and it's meantfor people who just want to
disconnect everything everywhere.
It's selling for like 200 bucksor less.
You can order it on October23rd.
(28:08):
I really want to get one for mydaughter and I had this
conversation with her.
She's 12, right and I said, hey, I want to get you this thing.
I think it's really cool and Ithink it's going to be kind of
trendy and people might like it.
And she's like, yeah, butunless a lot of people are doing
it, it's not going to solve theproblem, because if you don't
have some type of way tointeract with your peers, you're
(28:29):
going to feel like you'remissing out.
And this again for my daughter,who does not have social media.
We have taken the bold step ofnot allowing social media.
Yet it's been very difficult,it's not easy for her, and we
recognize that and sherecognizes that and we're trying
you know, she knows that we'retrying to figure out how to, how
to navigate parenting in adigital world.
(28:50):
So I said, well, what aboutthis?
And she's like, yeah, but thatdoesn't solve the problem,
unless all of my friends haveone, because then nobody's
texting.
But if you get a whole group ofpeople and some of them are
still texting and they'rethey're not disconnected, then
does it solve the problem?
So I think the Barbie phone, ascool as it is for people under
the age of 25, I think actually,honestly, it seems like maybe
(29:11):
the people that are over 25 aregoing to be more interested in
this.
I showed it to my wife and sheloved it.
She's like, yes, but then shestopped and she's like, but I
can't send email on it, I can'twork on it, I can't do the
things I need to do on it, and Iwas like that's kind of the
point.
And she's like, yeah, I get it,but it's just so difficult to
disconnect when your entireworld is on your phone.
So I think it's going to becool to see, and I would
(29:32):
definitely love to see a trendof that.
So the Barbie phone.
Anyway, speaking of connectivity, this fresh off the presses
Verizon Communications hasagreed to acquire Frontier
Communications for $20 billion,$10 billion in debt and $9.6 in
cash.
The purchase will boostVerizon's fiber optic network
connections by 2.2 millionsubscribers over 25 states.
(29:54):
It's going to recapture some ofthe Fios fiber lines it sold
nearly a decade ago.
So Wall Street Journalreporting this.
It's a big deal To see T-Mobilemaking the play a couple of
weeks ago and acquiring a coupleof providers to get into that
space.
Now Verizon re-upping whatthey're doing with Fios.
There's movement in thatdirection, not just the mobile
(30:18):
side.
But to see some of these MNOsreally digging deep into their
pockets to get back into thefiber space and to bolster their
fiber offerings, it tells yousomething, right?
It definitely tells yousomething.
Um, along those lines, at&t mademade a couple of announcements
last week and they said thatbefore the end of the year
they're going to be pushingwi-fi 7 equipment to its
customer base, which is neat.
(30:39):
If you talk about, you know, isthis is this part of the uh, of
the whole push in the iphonedirection?
I don't know.
Josh goodell, the vicepresident of product experience,
says they pride themselves onbeing the backbone of modern
connectivity.
Uh, they operate entirenetworks made up of more than
1.4 million miles of fiber andthey transmit 737 petabytes of
data daily.
(30:59):
Wow, that's like a lot, man,and when you're at home you
probably use wi-fi.
That's why they're excited tobe among the first to bring
wi-fi 7 to customers, with plansto introduce a new wi-fi 7
capable gateway before the endof the year.
We believe wi-fi 7 will helpcustomers access the multi-gig
internet speeds made possible byfiber and the next generation
applications and technologiesthat will be built upon them.
(31:20):
To me, if you take that pressrelease on sept 3rd and then you
take the iPhone 16 stuff andthen you talk about the people
who are the pundits, saying, hey, there's going to be a big
super cycle for iPhone upgrades.
If iPhone 16 has Wi-Fi 7 andyou've got AT&T pushing Wi-Fi 7,
that is the start of some greatmarketing for them.
So kudos to them for getting infront of that.
(31:41):
Not a conspiracy theorist atall, but if you put all those
side by side, that looks like agood news story.
The Barbie phone did notsupport Wi-Fi 7, I don't think,
by the way, just in case you'rewondering, but I need to go back
and look at the specs.
Anyway, that's what I've gotgoing on in the news.
Now to talk a little bit aboutthe other stuff, about private
(32:03):
4G and private 5g.
I've got a lot of of comments,specifically about signal roam
and what we're doing.
A link for the brick phone markis asking for the brick phone.
It's called uh, let me see, Ican't remember.
Get brick dot app.
G-e-t-b-r-i-c-k.
Dot a-p-p.
Your phone minus thedistractions.
(32:24):
Uh, get brick dot app is thewebsite for that mark.
So if you want to take a lookat it.
My channel inspired me to workin wireless, now for wireless
provider and nyc.
Hey, sweet man, that's reallycool.
I'm glad to hear it.
Uh, appreciate that.
That's neat.
A little little inspiration,that's cool, man.
I appreciate that very, verymuch.
(32:44):
Let's see what else.
Keep inspiring, bro.
You got me into wireless.
Now I work for a Wi-Fi providerYay, all right.
Phase 114 BX from the BX.
I like it, man, very cool.
Okay, what else we got on here?
Let's see when was I going.
Okay, I got a lot of commentsspecifically for people asking
about what Signal Room was andhow it worked, because I put it
(33:06):
out there and I said you can useyour Ubiquiti wireless network
to fill coverage gaps and helpwith cellular coverage, and that
caused a whole lot ofconversation.
Lots of threads on Reddit, lotsof threads in the Ubiquiti
group on Reddit, lots of threadson the video there on YouTube.
So let me take a second toexplain what's in my mind when
(33:29):
it comes to this, because Ithink about it from a top to
bottom approach of affordabilityand capability.
Right, but more affordabilitythan capability.
So let's start at the top right, let us start at the beginning.
It's a very good place to start, as they say, in the sound of
music.
(33:49):
So at the very top you've gotDAS, and so DAS is digital
amplification, digital antennasystems.
Some people use either term,but DAS is basically where you
take a device that's connectedto a cell provider, a mobile
network operator, and you plugit in in the back, you plug in
fiber, you plug in you know,ethernet, whatever it is, and
(34:14):
then you can air run fiber,optic or coax lines out to
antennas distributed all acrossyour facility.
If you've ever been to anairport or a large stadium,
you've definitely seen DAS orthe weird looking teardrop
antennas that are up there.
Sometimes they're panels, butthey are basically meant to
operate a cell tower, if youwill, a cell site on the actual
premise, right?
So it's there, and you want tomake sure and God, I hate saying
(34:35):
on-premise, because I alwaysscrew up and I don't know if I'm
saying it right and I blame allof that on the folks at
Mobility Field Day and it'sactually on-premises and that's
why I worry about it, because Iscrew it up, okay, anyway, so
you've got a cell site deployedon-premises there in the
location and your cell phonethen connects directly to that
(34:58):
and it broadcasts a lot of thesame frequencies that the
carriers use, or a subset ofthose frequencies, and your
phone doesn't know thedifference between where you are
in the stadium or in theshopping center or in the
airport and the cell networkthat's outside, because to them
it's all the same and that's the.
That is like the most basic, uhand most incredible
functionality for connectingcellular devices.
(35:21):
It's a one-to-one match towhat's going on on the tower.
And if you increase 4, 4g and 5G, 5g really focused on
microcells and smaller cells andthey don't really want to focus
on macrocells like 4G did.
They want smaller cells andsmaller cell areas.
5g was really good at thatbecause you get more users in
close proximity using higheramounts of capacity, and that's
where small cell really came inand that's where DAS really
(35:42):
plays strong.
So that's where small cellreally came in and that's where
DAS really plays strong.
So that's at the top level.
But it's expensive as hell.
That's the only problem If youdon't have a budget for it.
You're talking hundreds ofthousands and millions of
dollars to deploy this stuff andthat's not a stretch.
It is very expensive to do andI had a great conversation with
a friend of mine who's a big DASintegrator this week and we
talked about when is the righttime to deploy DAS, and it's the
(36:03):
stuff that's done before thesheetrock goes up and the cables
are run and the antennas areput in and everything's set.
And DAS is like putting a cellsite in your facility.
That's DAS right Now.
If you take a step lower thanthat in price, you've got a
couple of different options andthose options to me are right in
that private cellular spaceoptions and those options to me
(36:26):
are right in that privatecellular space.
So if you have private cellular,if you're only worried about
connecting your devices to yourdata network, then private
cellular is a good addition to aWi-Fi network.
It's not a replacement of aWi-Fi network, but it's a good
addition to a Wi-Fi network.
Whether you're using 4Gtechnology or 5G technology,
it's all about what you're doingand what your use case is and
how much capacity you need.
But when you've got privatecellular, what that does is that
(36:46):
allows you to take your privatedevices, connect them to your
private network so you can dodata sharing.
Think about IoT, think aboutforklifts driving around a
warehouse.
Think about communicationsinside an industrial space or at
(37:09):
a farm or agriculture orhealthcare, where you just need
inter-office communications.
Private cellular is phenomenalat doing that.
Wi-fi is great for big data,you know, in close proximity.
Private cellular is good atcovering these large uncarpeted
areas phenomenal at it.
And again, 4g 5G, depending onwhat your use case is Now.
Add to that all thisconversation that we're having
about Moken and about Moxon andabout neutral host networks.
So imagine you have a privatecellular network that's not just
(37:31):
working for your IoT andworking for your devices, but
now it allows you to connectthat back to the carrier.
So we're seeing that right.
Solona talked about that,infinigi talks about that.
There's a couple of differentproviders that are talking about
it where you can have thatprivate cellular experience.
But instead of spending all themoney on DAS, because that was
(37:51):
the only way to connect to thecarrier in the old days, now I
can use CBRS band 48, lte band48 to use with my devices, where
my phone can go inside and itimmediately connects to that
CBRS network and my phonedoesn't know the difference.
It knows that it's justconnected to, can go inside and
it immediately connects to thatCBRS network.
And my phone doesn't know thedifference.
It knows that it's justconnected to the carriers,
(38:12):
whether that's T-Mobile or AT&T,in this space in the United
States right now, becauseVerizon, being Verizon, isn't
supporting everything yet.
Unless you buy it throughVerizon, then it does all three
of them.
But if you have private cellulartied into the carrier using
neutral host, that to me is alittle bit of a threat to the
DAS space.
Because DAS is so expensive andwhen you look at the price
(38:32):
model and we talked about thisat Mobility Field Day the price
model for DAS is about, if yousay it's 100,000 square foot
building across five years, it'sabout three bucks a square foot
is what it comes out to is whatyou can budget for DAS.
If you look at doing this withsomething like Celona, you're
looking at like a buck, 50 orless, maybe even less than a
dollar per square foot.
(38:53):
That is significantly differentcompared to where DAS is and it
not only supports theaggregation, the movement to the
carriers, but it also supportsprivate cellular.
So now not only do you have thesame user experience as you
would, because you're roamingonto a network that's supporting
the carriers, but now you'vegot all the private cellular
components as well.
(39:13):
Now you've got video camerasand ATM machines and forklifts
and sensors and all the otherIoT stuff that runs private
cellular.
So to me, that's the part thatwas like the huge missing piece.
And Joel Lentolman in Finnegyshowed this off and this is what
they're doing at the Facebookcampuses and he's gotten so many
really great accolades for usbecause what he did was insanely
(39:35):
awesome and it still is.
You look at it and you go man,you've built something
incredible.
Because it's private, you canuse it for private cellular or
you can use it for the carriers,and his solution uses equipment
from Airspan.
And now you look at Celonasaying, hey, we're going to do
this.
Well, now you have a companythat is not only offering the
(39:56):
hardware and the orchestrationand the software and the SIM
management and the privatecellular and 4G and the private
cellular and 5G and accesspoints that support both 4G and
5G.
Now, if they're tying into thecarriers, it's kind of a big
deal.
It's kind of a big deal.
So you've got DAS up at the top,super expensive but very
(40:16):
feature-rich, just like thecellular connection model.
Then you've got private 5G,private 4G with a neutral host
connection in it.
That's kind of in the middle.
And then down at the bottomyou've got what we're doing at
SignalRoom and what that's doingis that's saying, look, you
don't want to replaceinfrastructure, you want to use
your existing Wi-Fiinfrastructure, but you want to
add a way for people's phones tohave a user experience.
(40:39):
That's better, because the cellservice might suck inside the
building.
That's where Signal Roam comesin, because you can say, look,
we can reconfigure your APs, wecan use Passpoint, and that
Passpoint will allow yoursubscriber phones on AT&T,
t-mobile or any of their MVNOsto seamlessly roam onto the
(40:59):
network securely using 802.1Xauthentication and still have
that tie-in to the carrier.
So when I walk in, if I'm onT-Mobile or AT&T, when I walk in
and I make a phone call, itjust works.
My cell coverage might not begood because you're at the edge
of a cell or you're inside aschool or a building where the
coverage is really poor comingfrom outside in.
(41:20):
But now you're tunnelingeverything across Wi-Fi because
you're using Passpoint toauthenticate and you're using
that Wi-Fi calling those sameports on Wi-Fi calling to push
that data for voice or for textmessages or whatever.
So you've got Signal Roam.
That doesn't require any newinfrastructure, just 15 minutes
of config.
But it uses and leverages Wi-Fiauthenticated via Passpoint to
(41:41):
the carrier right and then pipedout to the carrier.
Then you've got privatecellular in the middle and then
private cellular with neutralhost attached to that and then
up at the top you've got DAS.
So I wanted to take a second toexplain.
I know this is making thepodcast run a little bit long,
but I wanted to take a second toexplain that because I don't
know if everyone knows what'sgoing on there and I did receive
a lot of questions for it and Iwanted to make a video that I
(42:02):
could chop up and edit and sendto people and say this is what I
mean when I talk about it.
So I hope that I did a good jobexplaining that.
As with anything, I make nopromises on my accuracy of
information.
I mean, I could totally bewrong, but I don't think I'm
wrong and I've deployed thisstuff so it's worked the way
that I talk about.
So it's interesting.
(42:23):
The course cheap says Mark wasa VOLT and VONR yeah, yeah Then.
Oh, let me add something tothat.
Then you've got the folks overat Helium and at XNet who are
doing this other thing and thisother thing, and I've got some
Helium stuff here, I've got someXNet stuff here and they are
(42:46):
doing this thing where if youdeploy one of the XNet, for
example, if you deploy an XNetaccess point, it's
pre-configured and they made theannouncement yesterday that
they're working with a carrier,unspecified unless they
specified it today unspecifiedcarrier, single carrier to do
offload for them.
And basically, if you havetheir access point and you turn
(43:07):
this on, if someone comes intoyour network or roams onto your
network and uses your Wi-Fi toaccess their carrier, they pay
you in their token, which is agreat idea.
They pay you a certain amountper gig, I think it is that you
get.
Every time someone you know youreach a gigabit of usage on
there, you get some token fromXnet or from Helium and then you
(43:31):
can stack up those tokens anddo something with them, trade
them, sell them, whatever it is.
But it's basically a way ofcompensating you for using your
bandwidth to do carrier offload.
Now I've been following that fora minute because it sounds like
such a great idea.
And if I could stick littleHelium or XNet access points up
everywhere and turn it all onand people could just use my
(43:52):
network and then I got paid forit, that would be great.
If you're a hotel operator, youput this in, you can monetize
your Wi-Fi.
That's in there.
That would be awesome, but Idon't know how well it works and
I'm not, you know.
I'm going to reach out to theteams at x and helium and see if
they want to join the podcastsometime, because I would love
to learn more and I would loveto learn what makes it, what
(44:13):
makes it better?
Um, and I would love to learnhow that monetization component
of it works, because right now,like with signal room, we have
to charge.
There's a fee associated withit, because some of the
reporting we have to do and thesetup and the time and the
servers and the authenticationand all that stuff, there's a
fee associated with it, wheresome of the carriers have a way
that they do it at no fee.
Helium and XNet are saying theywill pay you for it.
So does Google Orion.
(44:33):
Google has a thing called Orionthat does the same thing.
But I tried to set up Orion andI found it to be a little bit
cumbersome, although Edgecorejust announced a setup for it
yesterday.
So so Edgecore just announced asetup for it yesterday, so I'm
going to see if I can dig intoOrion a little bit more.
But there's this whole D-PIN,decentralized network,
infrastructure infrastructurenetwork, sorry and decentralized
(44:54):
Wi-Fi D-Y, d-y and D-PIN,d-e-p-i-n and D-E-W-I.
Go look online, go look on X andC, if you can find some of that
stuff, if you're interested inthat.
It sounds super promising butit hasn't scaled yet, so we'll
see where it goes.
I'm a huge fan of Helium, so Ihope that that starts moving
pretty soon.
Let's see.
Mark says my guess is T-Mobile.
You know, I'm going to lookreal quick on X and I'm going to
(45:20):
see if there have been anyannouncements on that because
let me see, uh, I'm, I'm, I'minterested in it.
I'm interested to see who it'sgoing to be.
X net mobile.
So on on X, if you go, xcomslash X N E T underscore mobile.
This is X net mobile's deal.
The weight is over.
First major us mobile carriercontract, direct carrier deal,
(45:44):
roaming deal in deep end.
They're very excited about it.
They have a community call.
Uh, yesterday or two days ago,2 000 people tuned into it.
It's a fun community call.
If you want to learn more aboutit, jump on their uh x page or
their twitter page and look itup.
But they don't have.
I'm gonna look in the commentsand see if anybody left any
comments.
(46:05):
Can you guys please hire anactual marketer to help brand
drastically?
Oh my God, sorry, going to zero.
What carrier, what carrier,what carrier, what carrier, what
carrier?
No one has said anything.
They do have a very activeDiscord channel as well and on
their Discord channel sometimesthey release a little bit more
information channel as well, andon their discord channel
(46:25):
sometimes they release a littlebit more information.
Let me jump on their discordchannel just so that we can have
the conversation.
At&t wi-fi passpoint x netoffload.
Okay that someone posted thessid after enabling it.
So instead of guessing who itwas, someone uploaded a
screenshot showing that it'sAT&T Wi-Fi Passpoint.
(46:46):
So the the it's been solved.
At&t is working with Xnet, itlooks like on their equipment to
do offload.
This was posted um a couple daysago, so fantastic to read that.
Good.
Good for them.
Um, interesting.
Yeah, well, didn't, didn't seethat one coming.
(47:07):
Well, it's not Verizon, I mean.
But hell, I could have told youthat Everyone seems to be
waiting on Verizon at this point, so we'll see.
Anyway, that's all I got.
It's been a week, man.
It's been a week, and next weekI'll try and get this thing
back on schedule, but I doappreciate you taking the time
to listen a little bit longer.
We are still just a little bitshy of the amount of subscribers
(47:28):
.
It takes for my wife to inviteme to go to Mexico with her.
So if you would please sharethis one, 107 of your best
friends and uh, and then I cando a podcast from Mexico, that
would be.
That'd be really cool.
Anyway, um, um, I hopeeverybody has a wonderful week.
There's stuff coming up, um, youknow I always go over the
events calendar, but the eventscalendar stacked, man, there's a
(47:50):
.
There's a ton of stuff going on.
The big ones to me are uh, arewlpc and prog.
Fingers crossed might be ableto go that one.
If you know, uh, if you know ofanyone who wants to sponsor it
here, let me.
Let me cut real quick.
Let me do a full commercialready.
Hey, everybody, if you knowanyone who wants to sponsor the
waves podcast, please ask themto reach out to me.
(48:12):
They can find me at wirelessnerd, drew at drew lyncecom.
Reach out to me, be happy tosponsor, talk about your product
, talk about your service.
Send me to a trade show.
Let me go over everything inthe industry for you.
I'm happily accepting uhsponsorship.
There you go anyway.
Uh.
Seriously, though, if you knowanyone who wants to sponsor it,
there might be someone online toget me out to wlpc prague,
which would be phenomenalbecause I love that group of
(48:34):
people.
It would be great to see them.
Wlpc phoenix is coming up againin february.
Speaking of wi-fi offload andstuff, um man, I hope there's a
big presence of that at WLPC.
That'll be cool to see.
And then CES, ces.
If you're making plans to go toVegas, please let me know.
We have a really good time.
We can do a meetup and we canall hang out in Vegas for a
(48:54):
night, have a couple of drinkson Mr Sean Bender.
We'll let him pay for the tab.
Anyway, I hope you all have awonderful week.
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